November 25, 2025 • 52 mins
It’s the sequel everyone is talking about and it dominated the box office, soaring straight to #1. Kevin and Jenna were among the many movie-goers who checked out Wicked: For Good this weekend, and their reviews are in! They’re talking what worked and what didn’t, the powerhouse performances from Cynthia, Ariana, and Jonathan Bailey, the new songs, the stage-to-screen changes, and the ending everyone is debating.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And That's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and That's what You're the most podcast. Hello Kevin.
It's a big day, Happy Wicked, Wicked Weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Happy Wicked for Good weekend, Wicked everywhere. It is like
the premiere was really close to where I live last week.
Oh it really in pink and green. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So John stood like Colgate with them like on the broom,
like like toothpaste, and he was like sure, Like we.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Really, I mean I feel like, you know, when Barbie
came out, the brand deals were like we had never
seen anything like that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I think we've never seen put that shame No, truly,
I think it was like one hundred and forty or
hundred thirty seven partnerships. It's crazy, get your money, you know. Okay,
well we are. This is Wicked for Good Weekend. Wicked
premiered on November twenty first, twenty twenty five. We both
(01:15):
saw it this past weekend opening weekend. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, before we even say anything, I love an event.
I you know, I love a big event. I love
when people get excited to go to the movies, to
like go experience something together and the fact that this
is such an event, like especially for a musical. Musicals
are not that popular at the movies, and it's it
is really nice that this has happened.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean I went to the AMC Universal City Walk
and it was the Christmas Tree, like the Wicked Christmas Tree,
and then inside were the costumes. So it was Cynthia's
robes and also the Glinda dress, the gown ooh, pretty downs,
the beautiful gowns, gowns, beautiful gowns. She's they're both tiny,
(02:03):
they're so small. But it was a lovely experience. So
in the news, the Fate of Ophelia by Taylor Swift
is number one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Damn yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So and uh, the movie is Wicked for good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I mean, it broke all kinds of records. It broke
the first movies records. It's it has made it over
like two hundred and thirty million dollars opening weekend worldwide
or something. It's it's crazy. Yeah, oh yeah, two hundred
and twenty six million worldwide.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Glea Casses continues to take over New York City. Kellen Kevin,
you're in still in spelling Bee and chest just you
both just opened, Darren is back in Maybe Happy Ending,
Alex just opened in Chicago, Groff is just in time,
Kristin Chenna with Is and Queen of Versailles. I saw
you had many friends come with you this weekend, Kevin
at the Bee.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We did Chris Cofer with Will. It was so sweet.
I was like, do you want to be a guest speller.
He's like, nope, no, But you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Did actually have a very special guest speller this weekend.
You had the one and only Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We had Daniel Radcliffe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
What a sweet man.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And it was a crazy time. The fire alarm went
off in the building. So we're at New World Stages.
There are five different theaters within one building, so if
the fire alarm goes off, everybody has to stop the
show and go outside and all your shows. All the
shows stopped, and we were right at the end. I
Love You song was just starting. Oh like Lily got
(03:35):
out her first Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Crazy. We love live theater.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But it was it was an adventure every you know,
nothing was wrong, the fire department showed up, it was
all safe. But Daniel Radcliffe is just an excellent sport.
What a kind person. I had never met him before.
Oh my god, he had never seen the show before. Wow,
he knows Leanna who plays Marshy Park because they were
and merrily together with Craft and so he evacuated with
(04:06):
us and just a sweet sweet man.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, did he get bombarded?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The crowd went crazy for him. We sort of ran
security for him, you know, yeah, for sure, we were
trying to keep him safe. But he hung out with us.
And I love when somebody like that too, because he's
a theater boy. He has always he's done theater for
decades now, and like he wanted to come in and
not know anything about the show and he was one
(04:38):
of the guest spellers and just had He's like, if
I had known there was dancing, I would not have
done that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, that's the joy. It was great, how fun. This
is directed by John M. Jew Obviously, this is part
two the screenplays when he Holtzman and Dana Fox.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, And like we said before, it's based stuff that
he doesn't three musical by Stephen Shore so many Holtzman,
which is also based off of Gregor McGuire's nineteen eety
five novel Wicked, which again I did read last year
and choarographed and choreographed by Chris Scott, and it's a
reimagining of L. Frank Baum's nineteen hundred classic The Wonderful
(05:21):
Wizard of Oz and the nineteen thirty nine film. It's
all of those things in one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, before we get into too deep into this, Kevin, Yeah,
I just need everybody to take a deep breath, because
I came out of that theater and the two people
in front of me like they did Cynthia so dirty
with her song, and oh they tried to expand the world,
(05:50):
but like they didn't need it, and ah blah blah blah.
And I'm like, look the fact that a musical is
so being recognized worldwide to this scale and degree, the number,
we have an Asian director, we have a diverse cast
(06:14):
from a story about two, three, four very strong, flawed
female characters at the home. We have breaking box office
breaking records. We have the part one which was stupendous
with high regard and accolades galore. And the expectation is
(06:38):
so high, and this, to me is reminiscent of when
somebody gets too high up in the industry, there's nowhere
else but to take them down. So I'm just asking
everybody to just take a deep in breath because it's wicked.
(07:02):
There's great songs. They're not as good as Part one.
But as long as you're mine, no good deed for
good even Girl in the Bubble, which might be a
hot take, but let's just let's just celebrate that. I
understand there was you know, my opinions will come out,
(07:27):
but as long as you're mine, and then we just
hit astride. Okay, we got back into the show, the
act that we know, the play that we know, the
musical that we know. I'm curious to hear from you, Kevin,
like what they pulled from the novel and the book
prior to that came back in because it was a
lot more of the animals and else of the story
(07:48):
about the animals, and I was like, that had to
be in the book, and if not, they ate it up.
So I'm curious because, like, I see what they were
trying to do, which is what we talked about in
the first one, was expanding the world, expanding the character development,
expanding all of that. Like, but I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna like take a deep breath. I enjoyed it.
(08:10):
I enjoyed everybody's performances. I thought the world was still there.
I thought the girls were remarkable. They were so good,
and I'm just like, really solid, really solid. I'm not
hating on it. I'm not bringing it down. Like they
(08:31):
obviously loved this, they loved making it. It's part of it,
Like I, I appreciate it, and I'm just I'm just
gonna get off the soapbox now.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think that's good. And that's also I always need
to be reminded of those things. You know, I'm a
critical bitch.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's not a bad thing, but it's just sometime but
sometimes it's not about that, right, you know, right, right? Well,
I also think all of these things can coexist. I
think I do think so. A lot of the complaints too,
were like I hate that they broke it up into
two movies, and that's been coming up a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I've had a lot of conversations the past week about that,
and it gets clearly just a cash grab, and I'm
like that. I I hard disagree with that because the
first movie, I enjoyed the pacing, I enjoyed living in
that world. Sure do I think some of those scenes
could have been shortened, and you could have probably taken
out twenty minutes maybe sure, but like that's not like
(09:42):
a deal breaker for me at all. With that first movie.
This movie, it probably could have been an hour and
a half. Yeah, I do think that. I do think
it could have been tightened, But like I do think
there is enough there too, you know, be deserving of
its own movie. Act two is historically not as good
(10:08):
as Act one. It has some like you said.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My argument is that if you were to make this
one movie, Act one would have had to be less
an Act one being as good, or the part one
of the movie being as good as it was was
because it had the space. Yes, if Act two was
crushed into Pact one, then it wouldn't We wouldn't have
had that in part one and the movie would have
been lost, right Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I thought this movie really found its stride probably about
halfway through. Yes, I think when it got to Know
Good Deed, all of a sudden was like, okay, oh
we're in it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
One song before I was thinking as long as your mind,
and I was like, all right, here we are, We're back.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah. Well, I think until that point it was like
a little clunky to me. Yeah, And it was it
was a little weird adjusting into the characters, you know,
years later where we left Alpha Ba being this like
badass writing, you know, on her broom away, and then
(11:12):
we come back sort of in like this strange, strange
place there was there was a couple of things. I
was like, what what's happening? It almost felt like like
it was shot years later, even though it was shot
back to back, you know what I mean, like like
that sort of thing. But something happens all of a
(11:32):
sudden when for me, when it gets to no Good Deed, I.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Found it tried. It really did so in the in
the in the musical right, and I may make some
mistakes here, but thank goodness number one is my favorite song.
So thank goodness that that was so good because we
love that number.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And they I think in a whole bunch of like
really cool musical elements. I think in the beginning in
all those songs, there's a lot of new things. How
did you feel about those? I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean again, like I thought that was great, Like
I didn't. It didn't bother me. It didn't feel out
of context. It felt like it was part of the world.
So like none of that felt like it was forced.
I'm into it. I'm totally I was totally into it.
It didn't bother me. The no place like home felt
out of place because I had never heard it before.
(12:22):
And that whole story of her with Dulcibet and the
animals leaving because they felt like there was no other
escape in her trying to like corral them back to
fight together. I understand it. It just didn't hit like.
It just didn't And I was I was curious, Like
I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk to
Kevin about this, like with the animals, and like, was
(12:43):
that part of the book.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
The animal not that scene, m but the animals were
the main driving force for alphabets story.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
In the book, and I got that in the musical.
But this is really they've really like expanded on it,
and it just felt like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's like a double edged sword with some of these
expansion things in the story. Because I liked that they
added more of the animal stuff, I also think it
then created more like plot issues. Yes, and I think
that raised a lot more questions in this movie, and
then like only a couple of them got answered.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
The way I was thinking about it was like weiked
went through an assortment of versions and workshops.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, I had the same thought, Yeah, keep going, there's
a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Why those pieces weren't in the musical. There's a reason
why that wasn't included in the musical. Time not the necessity,
not really necessarily, it doesn't you don't need it, right,
so putting it I don't know the process, you know,
(13:54):
come for me, but like it seems like trying to
expand the world and bringing in those pieces this is
again we're cut out for a reason. They weren't brought
initially for a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I mean, well, I think you have more time
to do that, Like, and I was interested in seeing
the expansion of the world in that way. What I
don't think it needed was the song.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And I think to your point is like when and
we've talked about this, and there are obviously exceptions to this,
but I think it's a big uphill battle to put
in new songs into an established musical where things have
been workshopped, things have been thought about for years before
they ever seen the light of day, and then adding
(14:39):
in new music generally, I think feels a bit hollow
and you can tell the songs were written in a
different time, Yes, agreed, and especially if they're not moving
the plot forward, right, and I feel like these I
know you like Girl on the Bubble.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I did because I don't think that like Alphabet has
an eleven o'clock number. This is a two hander, even
though Alphabet is technically the lead the No Place Like Home, Sure,
and are right, maybe Real in the Bubble doesn't move
the plot, but she doesn't get her second act number.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I thought Girl in the Bubble had more purpose than
No Place, No Place Like Home felt these The lyrics
of both of these songs were like very on the nose.
We're telling you exactly how we're feeling. There's no nuance
or depth to like what's really going on, and they're
just explaining things that they are currently feeling. Yeah, like
(15:44):
as an observer.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, for sure, And for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I did enjoy Girl in the Bubble more. I think
for the reasons you probably did as well. Yeah, like
that and getting to see into her. We do know
more about Alphaba. I think, like how she's feeling, We're.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like what's driving her and what like, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Where it sort of felt like a hat on a hat. Yeah,
the scene with the animals already did that. Yes, Yes,
like having Dolci Bear come back and having that conversation
and all of that, like that was really meaningful. I
do have to say that the random assortment of like
six monkeys flying in and like hearing it and then bouncing,
(16:28):
I'm like, where did that come from? Why are we
just and then you know, and then it's like so
then you're also here's like you're presenting that there's like
this underground tunnel system. But then when Alphaba gets out
later on and the animals is all of a sudden back,
(16:51):
you're now telling me nobody saw Alphaba sneaking out to
the tunnels because the animals came back.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well, they came back, but there has to be some.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Exchange here of that's that's a very minor that. Yeah,
that doesn't but that's what I mean by like, if
you're going to expand it, you gotta I think there's Yes,
you know, what we didn't do is tell people where
we were in the movie. So a little synopsis. Alphaba
(17:23):
obviously is hated by everybody, is living in exile in
this like beautiful little villain.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
She's literally crafted as the villain, yes, and she's trying
to help you know, free the animals and fight for
their rights, and it's being silenced by the Wizard and
by Metamorble. Glinda has now become like the symbol of
goodness all around Oz, living in the palace in the
(17:51):
e World city and reveling in the perks of fame
and popularity. Under the instruction of Madame Morrible, Glinda is
deployed to as an effervescent comfort to Oz, reassuring the
masses that all as well. And then Glinda's you know,
getting married to Fierro, and Nessa Rose is now the
(18:12):
governess of munchkin Land, and ye, craziness ensues. So there's
a lot going on, and they have to set up
a lot and cover a lot, and then there's the
whole Wizard of Oz story of putting Dorothy in there
and getting tin Man and Scarecrow. And there's a scene
(18:42):
early on where Fierro finds out he's engaged to Glinda, right,
she's the good She's in a town speaking to the people.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
With Madame Morrible, and they have this like an aside
to goodness, yes during thank goodness, and you see what's
really going on, and because you're you know, there's this
whole thing of like, is everybody so an effled? Besides?
Secretly is Glinda and are Glenda and Fierro like so
(19:14):
with it here? And they have just like really, I
thought Jonathan Bailey did such a great job acting in
this movie overall.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Jonathan Bailey for the win Erroo for the win.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I think he does. He doesn't have a lot to do,
but he doesn't make a meal out of it, and
he's not like hamming it up. He's not trying to
like good, he's yes, he is very good.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
In that scene, it really sets up for me what
we can expect, not not only from their story, but
how they're playing this.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like the conflict of like, you know, what do you
want me to do? How do you want me to
how would you want me to perform us or do?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like because they're both both of those characters are in
public facing yes, like public facing jobs. Yeah, and then
you have their inner person, but you don't really get
to see inner Fierro because this story is not about him, right,
And so that really that quick little scene with them,
you see like, oh once, since that first movie, his
(20:17):
interaction with Alphaba, he's been on this ride of changing
for a guess if you will and has never looked back,
where Glinda is more complicated. Glinda's a messy character. Both
of these characters are really messy. In the book Alphabet sucks,
to be honest, they both sort of suck like things
are happening to them and around them, and they sort
(20:38):
of just make everything worse. Like that's sort of the vibe.
And I do like their development in this.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Kudos to Winnie then for creating. Yes, they're messy. That's humans, right,
We're flawed, we are driven, and we are flawed, and
but we are layered and like I and human and
so I like I particularly like Elpha Ben the first act,
but then I particularly like Glinda in the second act. Yes,
(21:07):
because the arc is so clear and yet so dynamic, and.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
She's just not like you know, Fiera's like you you
couldn't say no to this, like you know who could?
But you can't. And she's like, well, she's like who can.
He's like, well, you know who can? And it's not Ye,
it's not as clear cut.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And like she can't she can't, but she also like
she knows she isn't. Like that's the part of it
where she's like they're like you're so good and she's
like not yet, and I'm like yes, Like she's gonna
make it right. She's going to figure it out. She
knows she's made some mistakes and she's owning up to
that in that one line, like yeah, I know. Like
(21:48):
that's the dynamic of Glinda that I love. Is that,
Like even when Kristin was doing it, you're like, well,
she's a public figure, she's greedy, she's taking the spotlight
and yeah she's still friends with Elfhi and like blah
blah blah. But this world where you get to see
the development more and Ariana, like you get to see
the beauty of like her acting out in like or
(22:11):
showing us the awareness she has about what her actions are,
like how her actions are having consequences on everybody, but
yet also like still innately good. Right, She's gonna make
it right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well hopefully, And I think that's like the beauty of it,
Like you don't the proximity she has too, like the
really evil people like Madam Morble and the Wizard, right,
like that feels like okay, she's sort of like this
spy and cahoots and like she's keeping a closeness to them,
(22:48):
because it's also in a way protecting Alphaba because she's
also still in contact with Alphaba and cares deeply about
Alpha Ba, so like if she knows like keep your
mean's close kind of thing, but she's also benefiting from it, right,
And it feels tricky. It feels like an allegory for
(23:09):
like race in America, or it feels like, well, you
as like the pretty white girl can still benefit from
like the bad actions that are affecting like the minority communities.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And yet look at how Alphaba's been shut out and Alpha.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Was being you know, looked at villainized, villainized, and she
actually has all the power and the talent, right, and
yet you're the one who's like mediocre at every single step.
You're just like more successful and more successful and literally
living high in the castle. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, ultimately,
(23:49):
the one thing she wants is friendship and piero and love,
and she's not getting those things right, right, And there
was there was some thing in the story like coming
into it I and I talked to people about it,
and like the thing that always rubs some people the
wrong way is like Alphaba towards the end of this
(24:10):
is like she gets the man runs off, Like is
she really a girl's girl in that way? Because it's like, wait,
she just took this guy. It's like that's not the
story to me. No, not at all, And like I've
read a lot of complaints about that really, and I
was like, no, i'man Fierro didn't really want to be
with Glinda ever, No, and Glinda sort of sees in
(24:32):
that scene I thought Ariana did it. That standoff scene well,
m hmm. I thought was maybe Ariana's best seen in
the entire movie YEP, where Fierra comes in, puts the
gun at her face and then she sees, you know,
once she gets Alfie gone, like saves her somehow, Well
(24:57):
he does. Fierro saves Elfie and then she's Glinda tries
to say Fiero and it's like he didn't mean it,
and it hits her that that moment of Oh, he
loves her, That's why he did it. He never was
going to harm me. It was like a really really
beautiful Well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's easy because if you're it was, it really was,
And it's easy as a as a fan of the
show and all of that to assume that everybody knows that,
and Glenna knows that, but like to be you know,
for her as a character to have that kind of
finite detail of like, right, not everybody knows this, and
(25:37):
I as a character don't know that yet like having
that turn right.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, because because that's the thing with her, you don't
know where she stands. You never like ditsy, and you
don't know how much of it is real. It's like, well,
a lot of it seems to be. She is kind
of titsy, good heart, but also self aware. Yes, when
he's presented with things, Yes, she takes it in. Yeah,
(26:04):
you know, like she knows what's up, but like she
can sort of live with blinders on for as long
as a privileged life. Yep, exactly. Speaking of that scene
they're on the Yellow Brick Road, how did you like,
you know, the whole movie opens up on them, you know,
building the yellow Brick Road and having with the animals
(26:27):
and doing a kick flip back onto the you know,
but I did like seeing it being built, step.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The world up, you know, setting the world up here. Okay,
we're reintroducing her versus just reintroducing her, and like the
burning which you know, yeah, again, it didn't bother me.
I like, it didn't. I didn't notice it, right, And
sometimes in the things that we notice, it's not always good,
and sometimes the things we don't notice is good.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I was like, all right, like the animals can't speak,
like not everybody knows this musical.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That well, So we saw the movie last night and
then a few of us were talking who went to
go see it? And I don't think they really answer
it in the movie. And I don't remember them, I
mean in the stage show. And I don't think they
answer it in the book. Really, I could be misremembering.
(27:28):
Why do the animals lose the ability to speak? The
is that ever?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's again, people are gonna be listening to us and
be like yelling at us because I don't remember. But
when they're caged, they lose their ability.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So when they're caged, they lose their ability because they're like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Not able to be there, which is why I think
they brought the cages back in when she sees it
before the wedding, mm hmmm, because I was like, oh,
it's the wizard, but the wizard can't he's not magical, right, Yes,
it's putting them in cages.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, they're putting the cages because do.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You remember the cub, the lion Cub was putting in
a cage at a very young age, and so he
was never able to figure it out until she released him.
He was like to.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Remove okay, so removing their freedom. So when they don't
have freedom, they revert back to like sort of being.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
A yeah, yeah, okay. So the other thing that's happening
is that Nessa Rose has become their father has died,
and Nessa has become a governor the east. Oh my gosh,
and Bach and her are still together. Black has come
becomes some version of a like an undersecretary. He's an
(28:50):
assistant to rather than a love interest and a romantic partner. Right, yes, that,
but he has never again like never really wanted to
be in that position and in love with her and
kind of got too far down the road.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And you know what's about this is all these characters
are messy. Every single character is messy, but.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Like all have wants and desires and they're clear, and
like he's going to go back and tell like, you know,
he's gonna leave Nessa finally and go tell Glinda, call
off the wedding, tell his whole you know, confess his
love after all this time. And of course Nessa is
angry at Alphaba because she didn't come back for the
(29:41):
father of their father's death. Why would she? Her father
was terrible to her. But Nasa has become hard and
so uh. Alphabet visits Nessa and this is where we
learn about the magical Slipper, the ruby slippers, that is,
(30:02):
the two wizard of Oz and the.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That when you interviewed her.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yes, we also talked about the shift in and collaboration
in the story where Nessa walks in the Her dream
is that why have you not helped me?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You've helped everybody else, Why have you not helped me?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And Alphaba's fight is I've always helped you, I've done
everything for you, and it's still never enough.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Which is like a very real that I thought that
like Alfaba is straight up just like Alphaba in Wicked
the musical, I like so much more than the Alphaba
and the book, by the way I think how they
adapted her into I think she's such like a wonderful
character and is good and is doing so much good
(30:56):
and clearly everything is just being villainized where like everyone
around her no good deed is taking advantage of her,
and like Nessa.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh my gosh, at every turn it is.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Never enough, and it's like I also like that like
Nessa is a complicated mess, like.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yes, another complicated female character in this and like not.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Likable and nice. So when you were talking to her
about obviously like the choice to change, it to her
floating like she was in the dance floor with box.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So there was a lot of feedback that Marissa said
from the disabled community about that moment where Nasa walks yeah, right,
or her has the desire to be fixed yep. And
so the collaborative thing was I think she had said
that Winnie came back and had wanted to make it
right in this and having a second chance, right, like
(31:50):
not everybody gets that to make things right. So in
the film, she alpha the spell that from the grimmery
she casts on Nassa. It focuses they made the choice
instead of walking to have Nessa fly in the air.
And I didn't see the trailer, so I watched this
(32:11):
for the first time in the movie and I thought
it was wonderful and it was it's focusing the shift
away from fixing the disability toward the emotional experience of
the magic itself, which then ironically is actually not the
thing that's going to fix NASA's deep rooted wounds and
you know issues.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well that was my question about. So it's like she
floats temporarily, yeah, and then comes back down, like why
didn't the spell last? Or like why isn't she able
to then float whenever she wants after that, they obviously
need her not to be floating when that house comes
down on her.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, well, I think I think it was still very
early in her learnings of the Grimmery, and like I
think that spell was a temporary spell, Like I don't
think she was. And again, like I think it was
also not fixing or cha right, we're not changing things.
We are giving her a moment to allow Alpha Butt
to show that she's trying and she's offering something yes,
and Nasa saying, okay, I've done it. And yet it's
(33:11):
still now Bach is still leaving. He doesn't need me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And the whole is she is her perspective or for
understanding or her perception of the world around her more
as opposed to you know, now that she is floating.
She can have all things and want all things. Like no,
box still has the same wants and desires you just
right are now seeing them clearly for the first time.
And she literally comes back to.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Earth when he's saying that when he's saying I'm going
to leave now that you don't need me.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
That's why you can't put all your hopes and desires
in someone else, I know, especially a man.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Awesome, you know it. Also, this was added into the
film as well of she's saying I will see you
again basically and restricting the Munchkin's travel, you know, ability
to get out of the out of Munchkin Lane and
not much for the l munchkin Land.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And then because she says all this with a smile.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, she's like, well, you know, and and so we've
never seen that before because in the movie, you know,
he turns into the tin Man in that same scene.
I think, yeah, they go find the mirror and the
whole thing, and then he comes out and he uses
the tin Man. So this was added. I'd imagine it
was from the book, but I again, it was like
(34:32):
more I appreciated that, like.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Evil, Oh yeah, she becomes like a tyrant.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I love And then of course they
use her when Glinda gets revealed to Madame Marble and
the Wizard that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Her sister's her weakness, they use that against her to
bring her back to to capture her, which.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I thought was really beautiful job on Ariana's part.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Again, another moment of like she's going to make that
decision because she's hurt, right, it.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Was like, yes, but it was not even her intention
was to start a rumor Madam Marvel's attention, I mean
intention was to murder like very different things. And leaving
that that shot of just leaving it an Ariana for
(35:29):
a long time in her accepting what was going on
in the world, her world came crashing down like tears
to tears trying to just saying that little thing. I
thought was one of the most most like beautiful cinematic
parts of the movie. Yeah, I wish, I honestly wish
(35:51):
there were more of those moments, Like I really loved
how that was shot. I loved how it was staged
and blocked, Like I wish there was Well, you have
a couple of those. There's a couple of Jeff Global
moments like that, And speaking of let's talk about Jeff
Global and Michelle Yo. Okay, Michelle Yo is an incredible actor.
(36:12):
Michelle Yo has said herself she's not a single. That's
not why she's in this however, And I know they
called and begged her to do this. I just think
I let me. Also, I think that a really big
part of this is I do think she had a
really hard job because a lot of her dialogue is
(36:38):
her running into a scene saying something out of nowhere,
like it's the Wicked Witch or like get her. I
would say, like three out of four times that's what
she's saying, you know what I mean. Like it's hard
to just like interject yeah the one one liners and
say something.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
But she's an important character, like she drives. She is
actually the bad guy behind the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And it doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I know, there's like a loss of like I respectfully
m hm, I feel like she didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It feels like she didn't know what world she was in. Mmm.
Everybody else did. And I think that's why it sticks out.
Everybody else is so in it. And like I love
just to watch Michelle Yo, like let me just but
the use of like she's now the minister at the wedding.
She's now the press secretary for Oz. She's here. Also,
(37:36):
she's also the most one dimensional character in the in
the entire story, and like the most she is the
most school.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And no, that's what I'm saying. Though there's not there's
not a ton of layer or give in that space
or written that she can grasp onto to create something
that makes her likable even as a character.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, Like you know what I mean, Like it felt
like it was a lack of choices, but I do
think like it was. That being said, I think the
caveat is I think it's a really hard position to
be in. Yeah, for sure, But I also think, like,
(38:20):
if you are hiring a non singer and a musical
with some of the world's greatest singers, maybe don't.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Oh my god, oh my god, what did you think
about Jeff Goblum wonderful?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh god, that wasn't even intentional.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Ha, Yeah, he's Look, I think the Wizard is one
of my least favorite characters in the film. Yeah, and
in the musical, right, the songs are they weren't aren't
as strong. You know, we love Djoel Gray, but like
the songs are just not strong, and so I'm like, mah,
I think I'm doing him.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Usually male songs like that are sort of like the
throwaway once.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
But Jeff Goldlum is a very likable person, and I
really I appreciated the pizazz that he brought to the
Wizard was amazing. Yes, it was right right, And and
adding in Ariana into his song you know the Wonderful
was interesting because that's not the way it is on
(39:25):
the in the musical, and honestly make it more interesting.
So like, let's bring arian in there. Let's make it
uh spectacle right, because otherwise it's not you know, like
it just doesn't he snooze fast.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
When he to me when he comes in in this movie,
to me, it is like almost like a sigh of relief,
of like, because his character is also really hard and complicated. Yes, yes,
but he understands nuance. Yes. In every single scene, there
(40:02):
was so much thought going on behind his eyes, and
he's understanding what these girls are saying to each other,
what the situation is. And I didn't realize you're not
thinking of that when you're watching a movie necessarily, But
as soon as he came on screen, I was like, oh,
I now understand the world in a different way.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, the Wizard, he doesn't get to that position if
he's not a master of manipulation, right, And yes he
is like the best con man. Yeah, and creepy and
like I don't know, and yet still charming. And I
thought Wonderful was one of the best shot numbers in
the movie. I thought it was beautifully staged. I liked
(40:41):
the technicolor aspect of it. There were some beautiful like
odes and references to the Wizard of Oz movie. Yes
that I really liked it'ds yeah, I just I honestly
wanted more. When that song started, I was like, ugh,
here we go, and then I never wanted it to end.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
No, I think they did. They did the best they
could with that number, and it's the best version that
it could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
And I think one of the best numbers in this
entire movie. Wow, I really might be third tru Wow,
I disagree, but I thought it was exact because I
also thought they were all really good in it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But yeah, no, for sure, for sure, still not my
favorite number. But I appreciate you you're saying, yeah, yeah,
but well done, well done.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah. Watching it visually, I was like this is what
I what I didn't love. Like the first thing you
hear Albus say in this movie basically is like she
gets into like the Emerald City with the Wizard and
says it's over. You're like, didn't we just see you
(41:51):
flying on your broom saying I'm going to take them down?
Like you didn't do anything yet other than like disrupt
some of this like yellow brick road being built, but
it still got built. It's finished. There's been a ceremony. Yeah,
And like my issue with that was like she turned
so quickly, it was like it's over and like, oh,
(42:13):
but we're going to sing a little ditty and she
gets convinced like really quickly, where it's like the alphabet
I know, right is like stronger than that. H And
that was my only issue that was like a little
story issue with me. I don't know, I don't know
if the story issue. I don't know if that's like
a I'm not sure who's in charge of that, like.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
A character issue or like in the writing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right. Yeah. What I also liked having arian It in
that or having Glinda in that scene is Glinda is
like the Wishard of Oz where she doesn't possess any power,
but she's influential and can get people to do what
she wants me to use.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It for the right, We're good. That's the bubble. It's
like Madam Moriles Marvel saying this will distract from the
fact that you don't have any power.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Can we talk about the ending, because I feel like
it's a really big change? What do you mean which
part in the stage show? Correct me if I'm wrong
Glinda's We leave Glinda sort of like accepting her consequences,
the consequences of her actions. We don't know what's really
(43:29):
going to happen. She realizes she's messed up a lot.
She doesn't get like a happy ending really right now.
I feel like in the movie she gets everything, she
becomes the person of power. She gets Madam Marbles swept away,
she gets like all within one failed sweep. It's all
(43:50):
like really easy.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I mean, Marvel goes away. In the musical, she tells
her I don't think you have what it takes, and
she leaves. The wizard leaves she does she get the
grimy yes in the end of the musical or in
the beginning of the musical, is the end of the musical.
So when she comes by Bubble, she's holding the Grimmery,
so she does get the grimmory in the yes, but
(44:14):
it doesn't open and she doesn't get.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Like, no, we don't see the magic, like we don't
see her like you know, like the whole thing, you know,
with the grimmory lighting up and looking over oz right, bring.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
The animals back, right, well the animals are.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes. I think what you're saying, well, there's a part.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
That's why negates the whole moral of the story, where
these are complicated people and they don't actually have I.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Think this was a universal choice of like we're opening
the world and it's keep going and you better keep
it open, because what.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I longed for was that, like, it doesn't all completely
work out for Glinda because Alphaba still has to run
off to the unknown sands of time right right, and
then and then Glinda literally gets everything, gets the credit
for the animals, gets the credit for it, Like, but
what has she actually done?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, but you know for sure, but then in those
are laws to it for that that argument is like
she is Glinda the good we don't know any of that, Like,
and I see what you're saying, Maybe my argument is
Nolan Boyd.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But like I already made her Glinda the good because
just as they made Alphaba the Wicked Witch when she wasn't,
they also did propaganda for making Glinda the good without
having actually done anything.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Right, I think the grimmery opening and her with the
animals did open the world to her actually getting more
than what we had hoped for. Like in the musical
where it's kind of uh vague, right, like she's singing
and she's she's happy in front of them, but she's
crying in the right like you know what I mean,
and we don't know. So I think that's fair. Yeah,
(46:03):
I didn't. I didn't think about it that way. But
I don't think I walked away going like, oh, she
got everything she wanted, because that moment where they're at
the door right, actually isn't her getting everything she wanted.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
No, I guess I guess what I mean is publicly
she's getting everything she wanted. Personally, yes, she loses, she
loses the closest person to her.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I think from the musical point of view, I don't
think that I thought that she didn't get everything she
wanted because publicly, yeah, and privately, still the same story lands,
like she's still getting the recognition she still is the
good person. Yeah, she has to confront the fact that
they were friends at some point, right, and people know
(46:52):
that about her, But even from the beginning of act too,
like she's still the one that they look to that
she's you know what I mean, she's she's getting on
the outside everything she wanted.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I guess the thing is like the stage musical left
more of a question mark to me at the end
of like where she was where, Like she's doing some
deep reflection about like the journey that has happened. And
I'm not saying that's not happening in this but like
every loose end is like sort of neatly tied up
(47:25):
in a bow.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yes, I understand, as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Like leaving some open questions of like Glinda now doesn't
suffer the consequence of being complicit in like discrimination against
the animals that she's been for the entirety of two movies.
She's complicit and Deessa dying like she's complicit in all
of these things with a tyrannical sort of government, you know,
(47:49):
like what's going on and all of a sudden, like
Slate is wiped clean.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah no, no's in the stage musical.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
But it's like that extra step that happens in the movie. Yeah,
it's like, well, yeah, what what are we learning here?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Okay, so let's create some performances, like, let's do some
of the highlights. So thank goodness A plus. What were
some of your favorites?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Wonderful? A plus plus?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, okay, as long as your mind.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I did love.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I know that people aren't loving that as much, but
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
As long as your mind Alphaba and Piero. Yeah, and
you know, look, I think Jonathan Bailey acted of it.
I think nobody should have to sing against Cynthia, like
that's not fair. But I also think that they're really
good together. He has chemistry with the wall, you know
what I mean, Like he's he's very good though too,
(48:50):
he's no, no, no, he's also get rid of the context?
Can we get rid of the blue contexts?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I know it was a thing. It was a thing.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
No good deed, incredible, no good day. It's giving them Agatha,
which yes, I wanted that number to be twenty minutes longer,
you know, for sure, I mean i'd pay twenty five
dollars for that. I obviously for Good and the door
and the number and that whole scene and the whole.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Culination of it was just really beautiful and just really raw,
and I everybody's looking forward to that, and they really
did it justice. Period.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Is that in the Stage Show before for Good, Alphabet
doesn't Alphabet say like you're never gonna see me again
or something like that, like this is the last time
you seeing me or something like that, and she doesn't
say that in this and like, interesting, I feel like
then the stakes of that song are a little different.
(49:52):
Granted it's incredible in the movie, but I feel like
you need that, like this is the last thing they're
ever saying to each other. I did also love the
you know, the comedy bit from the Stage Show, which
is also in here a bit of Dorothy just being
down in the cellar while they're having this whole beautiful
and that shot of them and like the closet together, yeah,
(50:17):
or on either side of the door in the closet
was apparently improv where like he just left the camera
rolling and they just did that, and it's probably the
most moving important shot in the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh truly, it was really very very powerful Okay, TARTI
takes not really, I don't think so. No dance dance
move honestly, all of wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, totally. Best song
(50:52):
performance by Prop the Grimmery obviously, and Glinda's lingerie.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Nit holy sweater, I mean, I mean, I like boxes
acts was pretty cool. Glenda's wand was really great. Okay, uh,
best line not all of us can come and go
by bubble, yes.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Foreman's MVP, I mean the ladies. And then also and
then also honorable mention to Jonathan Bailey.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And Jeff Goldblum. Yes, I thought, Cynthia and Arianna, we're
very good, very very good. And I think it's Cynthia's
best acting performance today.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Excellent, truly.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
We found on TikTok the gay chemistry between a gay
man and a lesbian woman is giving smooth criminal from Lee.
Now I can't stop thinking about it. Jonathan Bailey and
Cynthia vote. I love that. That's great, very funny.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, So we have a things giving episode for you,
and then on Friday we're we're talking to a wiki
choreographer and our friend Chris Scott. Very exciting, you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yes, next week, Jenna got a chance to talk to
the one and only Tracy Toms who play Joanne.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
And Rent our wonderful friend. So no movie recap next week,
you guys, but if you want to get a head
start on your next assignment, for two weeks from now,
we're going to be diving into two thousand and seven's
Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, directed by
Tim Broughton.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and That's what You're the most podcast. Hello Kevin.
It's a big day, Happy Wicked, Wicked Weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Happy Wicked for Good weekend, Wicked everywhere. It is like
the premiere was really close to where I live last week.
Oh it really in pink and green. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So John stood like Colgate with them like on the broom,
like like toothpaste, and he was like sure, Like we.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Really, I mean I feel like, you know, when Barbie
came out, the brand deals were like we had never
seen anything like that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I think we've never seen put that shame No, truly,
I think it was like one hundred and forty or
hundred thirty seven partnerships. It's crazy, get your money, you know. Okay,
well we are. This is Wicked for Good Weekend. Wicked
premiered on November twenty first, twenty twenty five. We both
(01:15):
saw it this past weekend opening weekend. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, before we even say anything, I love an event.
I you know, I love a big event. I love
when people get excited to go to the movies, to
like go experience something together and the fact that this
is such an event, like especially for a musical. Musicals
are not that popular at the movies, and it's it
is really nice that this has happened.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean I went to the AMC Universal City Walk
and it was the Christmas Tree, like the Wicked Christmas Tree,
and then inside were the costumes. So it was Cynthia's
robes and also the Glinda dress, the gown ooh, pretty downs,
the beautiful gowns, gowns, beautiful gowns. She's they're both tiny,
(02:03):
they're so small. But it was a lovely experience. So
in the news, the Fate of Ophelia by Taylor Swift
is number one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Damn yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So and uh, the movie is Wicked for good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I mean, it broke all kinds of records. It broke
the first movies records. It's it has made it over
like two hundred and thirty million dollars opening weekend worldwide
or something. It's it's crazy. Yeah, oh yeah, two hundred
and twenty six million worldwide.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Glea Casses continues to take over New York City. Kellen Kevin,
you're in still in spelling Bee and chest just you
both just opened, Darren is back in Maybe Happy Ending,
Alex just opened in Chicago, Groff is just in time,
Kristin Chenna with Is and Queen of Versailles. I saw
you had many friends come with you this weekend, Kevin
at the Bee.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We did Chris Cofer with Will. It was so sweet.
I was like, do you want to be a guest speller.
He's like, nope, no, But you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Did actually have a very special guest speller this weekend.
You had the one and only Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We had Daniel Radcliffe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
What a sweet man.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And it was a crazy time. The fire alarm went
off in the building. So we're at New World Stages.
There are five different theaters within one building, so if
the fire alarm goes off, everybody has to stop the
show and go outside and all your shows. All the
shows stopped, and we were right at the end. I
Love You song was just starting. Oh like Lily got
(03:35):
out her first Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Crazy. We love live theater.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But it was it was an adventure every you know,
nothing was wrong, the fire department showed up, it was
all safe. But Daniel Radcliffe is just an excellent sport.
What a kind person. I had never met him before.
Oh my god, he had never seen the show before. Wow,
he knows Leanna who plays Marshy Park because they were
and merrily together with Craft and so he evacuated with
(04:06):
us and just a sweet sweet man.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, did he get bombarded?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The crowd went crazy for him. We sort of ran
security for him, you know, yeah, for sure, we were
trying to keep him safe. But he hung out with us.
And I love when somebody like that too, because he's
a theater boy. He has always he's done theater for
decades now, and like he wanted to come in and
not know anything about the show and he was one
(04:38):
of the guest spellers and just had He's like, if
I had known there was dancing, I would not have
done that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, that's the joy. It was great, how fun. This
is directed by John M. Jew Obviously, this is part
two the screenplays when he Holtzman and Dana Fox.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, And like we said before, it's based stuff that
he doesn't three musical by Stephen Shore so many Holtzman,
which is also based off of Gregor McGuire's nineteen eety
five novel Wicked, which again I did read last year
and choarographed and choreographed by Chris Scott, and it's a
reimagining of L. Frank Baum's nineteen hundred classic The Wonderful
(05:21):
Wizard of Oz and the nineteen thirty nine film. It's
all of those things in one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, before we get into too deep into this, Kevin, Yeah,
I just need everybody to take a deep breath, because
I came out of that theater and the two people
in front of me like they did Cynthia so dirty
with her song, and oh they tried to expand the world,
(05:50):
but like they didn't need it, and ah blah blah blah.
And I'm like, look the fact that a musical is
so being recognized worldwide to this scale and degree, the number,
we have an Asian director, we have a diverse cast
(06:14):
from a story about two, three, four very strong, flawed
female characters at the home. We have breaking box office
breaking records. We have the part one which was stupendous
with high regard and accolades galore. And the expectation is
(06:38):
so high, and this, to me is reminiscent of when
somebody gets too high up in the industry, there's nowhere
else but to take them down. So I'm just asking
everybody to just take a deep in breath because it's wicked.
(07:02):
There's great songs. They're not as good as Part one.
But as long as you're mine, no good deed for
good even Girl in the Bubble, which might be a
hot take, but let's just let's just celebrate that. I
understand there was you know, my opinions will come out,
(07:27):
but as long as you're mine, and then we just
hit astride. Okay, we got back into the show, the
act that we know, the play that we know, the
musical that we know. I'm curious to hear from you, Kevin,
like what they pulled from the novel and the book
prior to that came back in because it was a
lot more of the animals and else of the story
(07:48):
about the animals, and I was like, that had to
be in the book, and if not, they ate it up.
So I'm curious because, like, I see what they were
trying to do, which is what we talked about in
the first one, was expanding the world, expanding the character development,
expanding all of that. Like, but I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna like take a deep breath. I enjoyed it.
(08:10):
I enjoyed everybody's performances. I thought the world was still there.
I thought the girls were remarkable. They were so good,
and I'm just like, really solid, really solid. I'm not
hating on it. I'm not bringing it down. Like they
(08:31):
obviously loved this, they loved making it. It's part of it,
Like I, I appreciate it, and I'm just I'm just
gonna get off the soapbox now.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think that's good. And that's also I always need
to be reminded of those things. You know, I'm a
critical bitch.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's not a bad thing, but it's just sometime but
sometimes it's not about that, right, you know, right, right? Well,
I also think all of these things can coexist. I
think I do think so. A lot of the complaints too,
were like I hate that they broke it up into
two movies, and that's been coming up a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I've had a lot of conversations the past week about that,
and it gets clearly just a cash grab, and I'm
like that. I I hard disagree with that because the
first movie, I enjoyed the pacing, I enjoyed living in
that world. Sure do I think some of those scenes
could have been shortened, and you could have probably taken
out twenty minutes maybe sure, but like that's not like
(09:42):
a deal breaker for me at all. With that first movie.
This movie, it probably could have been an hour and
a half. Yeah, I do think that. I do think
it could have been tightened, But like I do think
there is enough there too, you know, be deserving of
its own movie. Act two is historically not as good
(10:08):
as Act one. It has some like you said.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My argument is that if you were to make this
one movie, Act one would have had to be less
an Act one being as good, or the part one
of the movie being as good as it was was
because it had the space. Yes, if Act two was
crushed into Pact one, then it wouldn't We wouldn't have
had that in part one and the movie would have
been lost, right Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I thought this movie really found its stride probably about
halfway through. Yes, I think when it got to Know
Good Deed, all of a sudden was like, okay, oh
we're in it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
One song before I was thinking as long as your mind,
and I was like, all right, here we are, We're back.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah. Well, I think until that point it was like
a little clunky to me. Yeah, And it was it
was a little weird adjusting into the characters, you know,
years later where we left Alpha Ba being this like
badass writing, you know, on her broom away, and then
(11:12):
we come back sort of in like this strange, strange
place there was there was a couple of things. I
was like, what what's happening? It almost felt like like
it was shot years later, even though it was shot
back to back, you know what I mean, like like
that sort of thing. But something happens all of a
(11:32):
sudden when for me, when it gets to no Good Deed, I.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Found it tried. It really did so in the in
the in the musical right, and I may make some
mistakes here, but thank goodness number one is my favorite song.
So thank goodness that that was so good because we
love that number.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And they I think in a whole bunch of like
really cool musical elements. I think in the beginning in
all those songs, there's a lot of new things. How
did you feel about those? I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean again, like I thought that was great, Like
I didn't. It didn't bother me. It didn't feel out
of context. It felt like it was part of the world.
So like none of that felt like it was forced.
I'm into it. I'm totally I was totally into it.
It didn't bother me. The no place like home felt
out of place because I had never heard it before.
(12:22):
And that whole story of her with Dulcibet and the
animals leaving because they felt like there was no other
escape in her trying to like corral them back to
fight together. I understand it. It just didn't hit like.
It just didn't And I was I was curious, Like
I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk to
Kevin about this, like with the animals, and like, was
(12:43):
that part of the book.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
The animal not that scene, m but the animals were
the main driving force for alphabets story.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
In the book, and I got that in the musical.
But this is really they've really like expanded on it,
and it just felt like.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's like a double edged sword with some of these
expansion things in the story. Because I liked that they
added more of the animal stuff, I also think it
then created more like plot issues. Yes, and I think
that raised a lot more questions in this movie, and
then like only a couple of them got answered.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
The way I was thinking about it was like weiked
went through an assortment of versions and workshops.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, I had the same thought, Yeah, keep going, there's
a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Why those pieces weren't in the musical. There's a reason
why that wasn't included in the musical. Time not the necessity,
not really necessarily, it doesn't you don't need it, right,
so putting it I don't know the process, you know,
(13:54):
come for me, but like it seems like trying to
expand the world and bringing in those pieces this is
again we're cut out for a reason. They weren't brought
initially for a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I mean, well, I think you have more time
to do that, Like, and I was interested in seeing
the expansion of the world in that way. What I
don't think it needed was the song.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And I think to your point is like when and
we've talked about this, and there are obviously exceptions to this,
but I think it's a big uphill battle to put
in new songs into an established musical where things have
been workshopped, things have been thought about for years before
they ever seen the light of day, and then adding
(14:39):
in new music generally, I think feels a bit hollow
and you can tell the songs were written in a
different time, Yes, agreed, and especially if they're not moving
the plot forward, right, and I feel like these I
know you like Girl on the Bubble.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I did because I don't think that like Alphabet has
an eleven o'clock number. This is a two hander, even
though Alphabet is technically the lead the No Place Like Home, Sure,
and are right, maybe Real in the Bubble doesn't move
the plot, but she doesn't get her second act number.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I thought Girl in the Bubble had more purpose than
No Place, No Place Like Home felt these The lyrics
of both of these songs were like very on the nose.
We're telling you exactly how we're feeling. There's no nuance
or depth to like what's really going on, and they're
just explaining things that they are currently feeling. Yeah, like
(15:44):
as an observer.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, for sure, And for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I did enjoy Girl in the Bubble more. I think
for the reasons you probably did as well. Yeah, like
that and getting to see into her. We do know
more about Alphaba. I think, like how she's feeling, We're.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like what's driving her and what like, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Where it sort of felt like a hat on a hat. Yeah,
the scene with the animals already did that. Yes, Yes,
like having Dolci Bear come back and having that conversation
and all of that, like that was really meaningful. I
do have to say that the random assortment of like
six monkeys flying in and like hearing it and then bouncing,
(16:28):
I'm like, where did that come from? Why are we
just and then you know, and then it's like so
then you're also here's like you're presenting that there's like
this underground tunnel system. But then when Alphaba gets out
later on and the animals is all of a sudden back,
(16:51):
you're now telling me nobody saw Alphaba sneaking out to
the tunnels because the animals came back.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well, they came back, but there has to be some.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Exchange here of that's that's a very minor that. Yeah,
that doesn't but that's what I mean by like, if
you're going to expand it, you gotta I think there's Yes,
you know, what we didn't do is tell people where
we were in the movie. So a little synopsis. Alphaba
(17:23):
obviously is hated by everybody, is living in exile in
this like beautiful little villain.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
She's literally crafted as the villain, yes, and she's trying
to help you know, free the animals and fight for
their rights, and it's being silenced by the Wizard and
by Metamorble. Glinda has now become like the symbol of
goodness all around Oz, living in the palace in the
(17:51):
e World city and reveling in the perks of fame
and popularity. Under the instruction of Madame Morrible, Glinda is
deployed to as an effervescent comfort to Oz, reassuring the
masses that all as well. And then Glinda's you know,
getting married to Fierro, and Nessa Rose is now the
(18:12):
governess of munchkin Land, and ye, craziness ensues. So there's
a lot going on, and they have to set up
a lot and cover a lot, and then there's the
whole Wizard of Oz story of putting Dorothy in there
and getting tin Man and Scarecrow. And there's a scene
(18:42):
early on where Fierro finds out he's engaged to Glinda, right,
she's the good She's in a town speaking to the people.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
With Madame Morrible, and they have this like an aside
to goodness, yes during thank goodness, and you see what's
really going on, and because you're you know, there's this
whole thing of like, is everybody so an effled? Besides?
Secretly is Glinda and are Glenda and Fierro like so
(19:14):
with it here? And they have just like really, I
thought Jonathan Bailey did such a great job acting in
this movie overall.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Jonathan Bailey for the win Erroo for the win.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I think he does. He doesn't have a lot to do,
but he doesn't make a meal out of it, and
he's not like hamming it up. He's not trying to
like good, he's yes, he is very good.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
In that scene, it really sets up for me what
we can expect, not not only from their story, but
how they're playing this.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like the conflict of like, you know, what do you
want me to do? How do you want me to
how would you want me to perform us or do?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Like because they're both both of those characters are in
public facing yes, like public facing jobs. Yeah, and then
you have their inner person, but you don't really get
to see inner Fierro because this story is not about him, right,
And so that really that quick little scene with them,
you see like, oh once, since that first movie, his
(20:17):
interaction with Alphaba, he's been on this ride of changing
for a guess if you will and has never looked back,
where Glinda is more complicated. Glinda's a messy character. Both
of these characters are really messy. In the book Alphabet sucks,
to be honest, they both sort of suck like things
are happening to them and around them, and they sort
(20:38):
of just make everything worse. Like that's sort of the vibe.
And I do like their development in this.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Kudos to Winnie then for creating. Yes, they're messy. That's humans, right,
We're flawed, we are driven, and we are flawed, and
but we are layered and like I and human and
so I like I particularly like Elpha Ben the first act,
but then I particularly like Glinda in the second act. Yes,
(21:07):
because the arc is so clear and yet so dynamic, and.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
She's just not like you know, Fiera's like you you
couldn't say no to this, like you know who could?
But you can't. And she's like, well, she's like who can.
He's like, well, you know who can? And it's not Ye,
it's not as clear cut.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And like she can't she can't, but she also like
she knows she isn't. Like that's the part of it
where she's like they're like you're so good and she's
like not yet, and I'm like yes, Like she's gonna
make it right. She's going to figure it out. She
knows she's made some mistakes and she's owning up to
that in that one line, like yeah, I know. Like
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that's the dynamic of Glinda that I love. Is that,
Like even when Kristin was doing it, you're like, well,
she's a public figure, she's greedy, she's taking the spotlight
and yeah she's still friends with Elfhi and like blah
blah blah. But this world where you get to see
the development more and Ariana, like you get to see
the beauty of like her acting out in like or
(22:11):
showing us the awareness she has about what her actions are,
like how her actions are having consequences on everybody, but
yet also like still innately good. Right, She's gonna make
it right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well hopefully, And I think that's like the beauty of it,
Like you don't the proximity she has too, like the
really evil people like Madam Morble and the Wizard, right,
like that feels like okay, she's sort of like this
spy and cahoots and like she's keeping a closeness to them,
(22:48):
because it's also in a way protecting Alphaba because she's
also still in contact with Alphaba and cares deeply about
Alpha Ba, so like if she knows like keep your
mean's close kind of thing, but she's also benefiting from it, right,
And it feels tricky. It feels like an allegory for
(23:09):
like race in America, or it feels like, well, you
as like the pretty white girl can still benefit from
like the bad actions that are affecting like the minority communities.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And yet look at how Alphaba's been shut out and Alpha.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Was being you know, looked at villainized, villainized, and she
actually has all the power and the talent, right, and
yet you're the one who's like mediocre at every single step.
You're just like more successful and more successful and literally
living high in the castle. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, ultimately,
(23:49):
the one thing she wants is friendship and piero and love,
and she's not getting those things right, right, And there
was there was some thing in the story like coming
into it I and I talked to people about it,
and like the thing that always rubs some people the
wrong way is like Alphaba towards the end of this
(24:10):
is like she gets the man runs off, Like is
she really a girl's girl in that way? Because it's like, wait,
she just took this guy. It's like that's not the
story to me. No, not at all, And like I've
read a lot of complaints about that really, and I
was like, no, i'man Fierro didn't really want to be
with Glinda ever, No, and Glinda sort of sees in
(24:32):
that scene I thought Ariana did it. That standoff scene well,
m hmm. I thought was maybe Ariana's best seen in
the entire movie YEP, where Fierra comes in, puts the
gun at her face and then she sees, you know,
once she gets Alfie gone, like saves her somehow, Well
(24:57):
he does. Fierro saves Elfie and then she's Glinda tries
to say Fiero and it's like he didn't mean it,
and it hits her that that moment of Oh, he
loves her, That's why he did it. He never was
going to harm me. It was like a really really
beautiful Well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's easy because if you're it was, it really was,
And it's easy as a as a fan of the
show and all of that to assume that everybody knows that,
and Glenna knows that, but like to be you know,
for her as a character to have that kind of
finite detail of like, right, not everybody knows this, and
(25:37):
I as a character don't know that yet like having
that turn right.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well, because because that's the thing with her, you don't
know where she stands. You never like ditsy, and you
don't know how much of it is real. It's like, well,
a lot of it seems to be. She is kind
of titsy, good heart, but also self aware. Yes, when
he's presented with things, Yes, she takes it in. Yeah,
(26:04):
you know, like she knows what's up, but like she
can sort of live with blinders on for as long
as a privileged life. Yep, exactly. Speaking of that scene
they're on the Yellow Brick Road, how did you like,
you know, the whole movie opens up on them, you know,
building the yellow Brick Road and having with the animals
(26:27):
and doing a kick flip back onto the you know,
but I did like seeing it being built, step.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The world up, you know, setting the world up here. Okay,
we're reintroducing her versus just reintroducing her, and like the
burning which you know, yeah, again, it didn't bother me.
I like, it didn't. I didn't notice it, right, And
sometimes in the things that we notice, it's not always good,
and sometimes the things we don't notice is good.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I was like, all right, like the animals can't speak,
like not everybody knows this musical.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That well, So we saw the movie last night and
then a few of us were talking who went to
go see it? And I don't think they really answer
it in the movie. And I don't remember them, I
mean in the stage show. And I don't think they
answer it in the book. Really, I could be misremembering.
(27:28):
Why do the animals lose the ability to speak? The
is that ever?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's again, people are gonna be listening to us and
be like yelling at us because I don't remember. But
when they're caged, they lose their ability.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So when they're caged, they lose their ability because they're like.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Not able to be there, which is why I think
they brought the cages back in when she sees it
before the wedding, mm hmmm, because I was like, oh,
it's the wizard, but the wizard can't he's not magical, right, Yes,
it's putting them in cages.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, they're putting the cages because do.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You remember the cub, the lion Cub was putting in
a cage at a very young age, and so he
was never able to figure it out until she released him.
He was like to.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Remove okay, so removing their freedom. So when they don't
have freedom, they revert back to like sort of being.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
A yeah, yeah, okay. So the other thing that's happening
is that Nessa Rose has become their father has died,
and Nessa has become a governor the east. Oh my gosh,
and Bach and her are still together. Black has come
becomes some version of a like an undersecretary. He's an
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assistant to rather than a love interest and a romantic partner. Right, yes, that,
but he has never again like never really wanted to
be in that position and in love with her and
kind of got too far down the road.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And you know what's about this is all these characters
are messy. Every single character is messy, but.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Like all have wants and desires and they're clear, and
like he's going to go back and tell like, you know,
he's gonna leave Nessa finally and go tell Glinda, call
off the wedding, tell his whole you know, confess his
love after all this time. And of course Nessa is
angry at Alphaba because she didn't come back for the
(29:41):
father of their father's death. Why would she? Her father
was terrible to her. But Nasa has become hard and
so uh. Alphabet visits Nessa and this is where we
learn about the magical Slipper, the ruby slippers, that is,
(30:02):
the two wizard of Oz and the.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That when you interviewed her.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yes, we also talked about the shift in and collaboration
in the story where Nessa walks in the Her dream
is that why have you not helped me?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You've helped everybody else, Why have you not helped me?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And Alphaba's fight is I've always helped you, I've done
everything for you, and it's still never enough.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Which is like a very real that I thought that
like Alfaba is straight up just like Alphaba in Wicked
the musical, I like so much more than the Alphaba
and the book, by the way I think how they
adapted her into I think she's such like a wonderful
character and is good and is doing so much good
(30:56):
and clearly everything is just being villainized where like everyone
around her no good deed is taking advantage of her,
and like Nessa.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh my gosh, at every turn it is.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Never enough, and it's like I also like that like
Nessa is a complicated mess, like.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yes, another complicated female character in this and like not.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Likable and nice. So when you were talking to her
about obviously like the choice to change, it to her
floating like she was in the dance floor with box.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So there was a lot of feedback that Marissa said
from the disabled community about that moment where Nasa walks yeah, right,
or her has the desire to be fixed yep. And
so the collaborative thing was I think she had said
that Winnie came back and had wanted to make it
right in this and having a second chance, right, like
(31:50):
not everybody gets that to make things right. So in
the film, she alpha the spell that from the grimmery
she casts on Nassa. It focuses they made the choice
instead of walking to have Nessa fly in the air.
And I didn't see the trailer, so I watched this
(32:11):
for the first time in the movie and I thought
it was wonderful and it was it's focusing the shift
away from fixing the disability toward the emotional experience of
the magic itself, which then ironically is actually not the
thing that's going to fix NASA's deep rooted wounds and
you know issues.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well that was my question about. So it's like she
floats temporarily, yeah, and then comes back down, like why
didn't the spell last? Or like why isn't she able
to then float whenever she wants after that, they obviously
need her not to be floating when that house comes
down on her.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, well, I think I think it was still very
early in her learnings of the Grimmery, and like I
think that spell was a temporary spell, Like I don't
think she was. And again, like I think it was
also not fixing or cha right, we're not changing things.
We are giving her a moment to allow Alpha Butt
to show that she's trying and she's offering something yes,
and Nasa saying, okay, I've done it. And yet it's
(33:11):
still now Bach is still leaving. He doesn't need me,
you know.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And the whole is she is her perspective or for
understanding or her perception of the world around her more
as opposed to you know, now that she is floating.
She can have all things and want all things. Like no,
box still has the same wants and desires you just
right are now seeing them clearly for the first time.
And she literally comes back to.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Earth when he's saying that when he's saying I'm going
to leave now that you don't need me.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
That's why you can't put all your hopes and desires
in someone else, I know, especially a man.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Awesome, you know it. Also, this was added into the
film as well of she's saying I will see you
again basically and restricting the Munchkin's travel, you know, ability
to get out of the out of Munchkin Lane and
not much for the l munchkin Land.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And then because she says all this with a smile.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, she's like, well, you know, and and so we've
never seen that before because in the movie, you know,
he turns into the tin Man in that same scene.
I think, yeah, they go find the mirror and the
whole thing, and then he comes out and he uses
the tin Man. So this was added. I'd imagine it
was from the book, but I again, it was like
(34:32):
more I appreciated that, like.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Evil, Oh yeah, she becomes like a tyrant.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I love And then of course they
use her when Glinda gets revealed to Madame Marble and
the Wizard that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Her sister's her weakness, they use that against her to
bring her back to to capture her, which.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I thought was really beautiful job on Ariana's part.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Again, another moment of like she's going to make that
decision because she's hurt, right, it.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Was like, yes, but it was not even her intention
was to start a rumor Madam Marvel's attention, I mean
intention was to murder like very different things. And leaving
that that shot of just leaving it an Ariana for
(35:29):
a long time in her accepting what was going on
in the world, her world came crashing down like tears
to tears trying to just saying that little thing. I
thought was one of the most most like beautiful cinematic
parts of the movie. Yeah, I wish, I honestly wish
(35:51):
there were more of those moments, Like I really loved
how that was shot. I loved how it was staged
and blocked, Like I wish there was Well, you have
a couple of those. There's a couple of Jeff Global
moments like that, And speaking of let's talk about Jeff
Global and Michelle Yo. Okay, Michelle Yo is an incredible actor.
(36:12):
Michelle Yo has said herself she's not a single. That's
not why she's in this however, And I know they
called and begged her to do this. I just think
I let me. Also, I think that a really big
part of this is I do think she had a
really hard job because a lot of her dialogue is
(36:38):
her running into a scene saying something out of nowhere,
like it's the Wicked Witch or like get her. I
would say, like three out of four times that's what
she's saying, you know what I mean. Like it's hard
to just like interject yeah the one one liners and
say something.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
But she's an important character, like she drives. She is
actually the bad guy behind the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And it doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I know, there's like a loss of like I respectfully
m hm, I feel like she didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It feels like she didn't know what world she was in. Mmm.
Everybody else did. And I think that's why it sticks out.
Everybody else is so in it. And like I love
just to watch Michelle Yo, like let me just but
the use of like she's now the minister at the wedding.
She's now the press secretary for Oz. She's here. Also,
(37:36):
she's also the most one dimensional character in the in
the entire story, and like the most she is the
most school.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And no, that's what I'm saying. Though there's not there's
not a ton of layer or give in that space
or written that she can grasp onto to create something
that makes her likable even as a character.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, Like you know what I mean, Like it felt
like it was a lack of choices, but I do
think like it was. That being said, I think the
caveat is I think it's a really hard position to
be in. Yeah, for sure, But I also think, like,
(38:20):
if you are hiring a non singer and a musical
with some of the world's greatest singers, maybe don't.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Oh my god, oh my god, what did you think
about Jeff Goblum wonderful?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh god, that wasn't even intentional.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Ha, Yeah, he's Look, I think the Wizard is one
of my least favorite characters in the film. Yeah, and
in the musical, right, the songs are they weren't aren't
as strong. You know, we love Djoel Gray, but like
the songs are just not strong, and so I'm like, mah,
I think I'm doing him.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Usually male songs like that are sort of like the
throwaway once.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
But Jeff Goldlum is a very likable person, and I
really I appreciated the pizazz that he brought to the
Wizard was amazing. Yes, it was right right, And and
adding in Ariana into his song you know the Wonderful
was interesting because that's not the way it is on
(39:25):
the in the musical, and honestly make it more interesting.
So like, let's bring arian in there. Let's make it
uh spectacle right, because otherwise it's not you know, like
it just doesn't he snooze fast.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
When he to me when he comes in in this movie,
to me, it is like almost like a sigh of relief,
of like, because his character is also really hard and complicated. Yes, yes,
but he understands nuance. Yes. In every single scene, there
(40:02):
was so much thought going on behind his eyes, and
he's understanding what these girls are saying to each other,
what the situation is. And I didn't realize you're not
thinking of that when you're watching a movie necessarily, But
as soon as he came on screen, I was like, oh,
I now understand the world in a different way.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, the Wizard, he doesn't get to that position if
he's not a master of manipulation, right, And yes he
is like the best con man. Yeah, and creepy and
like I don't know, and yet still charming. And I
thought Wonderful was one of the best shot numbers in
the movie. I thought it was beautifully staged. I liked
(40:41):
the technicolor aspect of it. There were some beautiful like
odes and references to the Wizard of Oz movie. Yes
that I really liked it'ds yeah, I just I honestly
wanted more. When that song started, I was like, ugh,
here we go, and then I never wanted it to end.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
No, I think they did. They did the best they
could with that number, and it's the best version that
it could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
And I think one of the best numbers in this
entire movie. Wow, I really might be third tru Wow,
I disagree, but I thought it was exact because I
also thought they were all really good in it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But yeah, no, for sure, for sure, still not my
favorite number. But I appreciate you you're saying, yeah, yeah,
but well done, well done.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah. Watching it visually, I was like this is what
I what I didn't love. Like the first thing you
hear Albus say in this movie basically is like she
gets into like the Emerald City with the Wizard and
says it's over. You're like, didn't we just see you
(41:51):
flying on your broom saying I'm going to take them down?
Like you didn't do anything yet other than like disrupt
some of this like yellow brick road being built, but
it still got built. It's finished. There's been a ceremony. Yeah,
And like my issue with that was like she turned
so quickly, it was like it's over and like, oh,
(42:13):
but we're going to sing a little ditty and she
gets convinced like really quickly, where it's like the alphabet
I know, right is like stronger than that. H And
that was my only issue that was like a little
story issue with me. I don't know, I don't know
if the story issue. I don't know if that's like
a I'm not sure who's in charge of that, like.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
A character issue or like in the writing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right. Yeah. What I also liked having arian It in
that or having Glinda in that scene is Glinda is
like the Wishard of Oz where she doesn't possess any power,
but she's influential and can get people to do what
she wants me to use.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It for the right, We're good. That's the bubble. It's
like Madam Moriles Marvel saying this will distract from the
fact that you don't have any power.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Can we talk about the ending, because I feel like
it's a really big change? What do you mean which
part in the stage show? Correct me if I'm wrong
Glinda's We leave Glinda sort of like accepting her consequences,
the consequences of her actions. We don't know what's really
(43:29):
going to happen. She realizes she's messed up a lot.
She doesn't get like a happy ending really right now.
I feel like in the movie she gets everything, she
becomes the person of power. She gets Madam Marbles swept away,
she gets like all within one failed sweep. It's all
(43:50):
like really easy.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I mean, Marvel goes away. In the musical, she tells
her I don't think you have what it takes, and
she leaves. The wizard leaves she does she get the
grimy yes in the end of the musical or in
the beginning of the musical, is the end of the musical.
So when she comes by Bubble, she's holding the Grimmery,
so she does get the grimmory in the yes, but
(44:14):
it doesn't open and she doesn't get.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Like, no, we don't see the magic, like we don't
see her like you know, like the whole thing, you know,
with the grimmory lighting up and looking over oz right, bring.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
The animals back, right, well the animals are.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes. I think what you're saying, well, there's a part.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
That's why negates the whole moral of the story, where
these are complicated people and they don't actually have I.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Think this was a universal choice of like we're opening
the world and it's keep going and you better keep
it open, because what.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I longed for was that, like, it doesn't all completely
work out for Glinda because Alphaba still has to run
off to the unknown sands of time right right, and
then and then Glinda literally gets everything, gets the credit
for the animals, gets the credit for it, Like, but
what has she actually done?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, but you know for sure, but then in those
are laws to it for that that argument is like
she is Glinda the good we don't know any of that, Like,
and I see what you're saying, Maybe my argument is
Nolan Boyd.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But like I already made her Glinda the good because
just as they made Alphaba the Wicked Witch when she wasn't,
they also did propaganda for making Glinda the good without
having actually done anything.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Right, I think the grimmery opening and her with the
animals did open the world to her actually getting more
than what we had hoped for. Like in the musical
where it's kind of uh vague, right, like she's singing
and she's she's happy in front of them, but she's
crying in the right like you know what I mean,
and we don't know. So I think that's fair. Yeah,
(46:03):
I didn't. I didn't think about it that way. But
I don't think I walked away going like, oh, she
got everything she wanted, because that moment where they're at
the door right, actually isn't her getting everything she wanted.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
No, I guess I guess what I mean is publicly
she's getting everything she wanted. Personally, yes, she loses, she
loses the closest person to her.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I think from the musical point of view, I don't
think that I thought that she didn't get everything she
wanted because publicly, yeah, and privately, still the same story lands,
like she's still getting the recognition she still is the
good person. Yeah, she has to confront the fact that
they were friends at some point, right, and people know
(46:52):
that about her, But even from the beginning of act too,
like she's still the one that they look to that
she's you know what I mean, she's she's getting on
the outside everything she wanted.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I guess the thing is like the stage musical left
more of a question mark to me at the end
of like where she was where, Like she's doing some
deep reflection about like the journey that has happened. And
I'm not saying that's not happening in this but like
every loose end is like sort of neatly tied up
(47:25):
in a bow.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yes, I understand, as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Like leaving some open questions of like Glinda now doesn't
suffer the consequence of being complicit in like discrimination against
the animals that she's been for the entirety of two movies.
She's complicit and Deessa dying like she's complicit in all
of these things with a tyrannical sort of government, you know,
(47:49):
like what's going on and all of a sudden, like
Slate is wiped clean.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah no, no's in the stage musical.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
But it's like that extra step that happens in the movie. Yeah,
it's like, well, yeah, what what are we learning here?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Okay, so let's create some performances, like, let's do some
of the highlights. So thank goodness A plus. What were
some of your favorites?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Wonderful? A plus plus?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, okay, as long as your mind.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I did love.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I know that people aren't loving that as much, but
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
As long as your mind Alphaba and Piero. Yeah, and
you know, look, I think Jonathan Bailey acted of it.
I think nobody should have to sing against Cynthia, like
that's not fair. But I also think that they're really
good together. He has chemistry with the wall, you know
what I mean, Like he's he's very good though too,
(48:50):
he's no, no, no, he's also get rid of the context?
Can we get rid of the blue contexts?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I know it was a thing. It was a thing.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
No good deed, incredible, no good day. It's giving them Agatha,
which yes, I wanted that number to be twenty minutes longer,
you know, for sure, I mean i'd pay twenty five
dollars for that. I obviously for Good and the door
and the number and that whole scene and the whole.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Culination of it was just really beautiful and just really raw,
and I everybody's looking forward to that, and they really
did it justice. Period.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Is that in the Stage Show before for Good, Alphabet
doesn't Alphabet say like you're never gonna see me again
or something like that, like this is the last time
you seeing me or something like that, and she doesn't
say that in this and like, interesting, I feel like
then the stakes of that song are a little different.
(49:52):
Granted it's incredible in the movie, but I feel like
you need that, like this is the last thing they're
ever saying to each other. I did also love the
you know, the comedy bit from the Stage Show, which
is also in here a bit of Dorothy just being
down in the cellar while they're having this whole beautiful
and that shot of them and like the closet together, yeah,
(50:17):
or on either side of the door in the closet
was apparently improv where like he just left the camera
rolling and they just did that, and it's probably the
most moving important shot in the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh truly, it was really very very powerful Okay, TARTI
takes not really, I don't think so. No dance dance
move honestly, all of wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, totally. Best song
(50:52):
performance by Prop the Grimmery obviously, and Glinda's lingerie.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Nit holy sweater, I mean, I mean, I like boxes
acts was pretty cool. Glenda's wand was really great. Okay, uh,
best line not all of us can come and go
by bubble, yes.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Foreman's MVP, I mean the ladies. And then also and
then also honorable mention to Jonathan Bailey.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
And Jeff Goldblum. Yes, I thought, Cynthia and Arianna, we're
very good, very very good. And I think it's Cynthia's
best acting performance today.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Excellent, truly.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
We found on TikTok the gay chemistry between a gay
man and a lesbian woman is giving smooth criminal from Lee.
Now I can't stop thinking about it. Jonathan Bailey and
Cynthia vote. I love that. That's great, very funny.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, So we have a things giving episode for you,
and then on Friday we're we're talking to a wiki
choreographer and our friend Chris Scott. Very exciting, you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yes, next week, Jenna got a chance to talk to
the one and only Tracy Toms who play Joanne.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
And Rent our wonderful friend. So no movie recap next week,
you guys, but if you want to get a head
start on your next assignment, for two weeks from now,
we're going to be diving into two thousand and seven's
Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, directed by
Tim Broughton.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
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