March 27, 2023 • 44 mins
While we were all blinded (rightfully so!) by the light of the guest star appearance of Neil Patrick Harris, there was a lot we probably missed! Worry not because Kevin and Jenna are here with tons of BTS details about the episode, including Kevin’s dance fail.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin An.
iHeartRadio podcast. I'm Jenna, I'm Kevin, and this is and
that's what you really missed. I wasn't gonna eat the
opportunity to say some other version hijacked what this show is.
(00:24):
I was trying to think of it. It's fine. It's
great to be here with you, Jenna. This is great
to be here with you. This is very exciting. This is,
you know, another big episode for Argentina. It's right, yeah,
these are our favorites because we can talk about ourselves, right,
so much fun. This was a really fun one, especially
(00:46):
because we get to see Kevin Dean. Yes, and I
wish I went when we get to it, I want
to get some fan reaction. I want them to write
in and tell us what they thought, because I have questions.
Oh yeah. So this episode is season one, episode nineteen,
dream On. It originally aired on May eighteenth, twenty ten,
(01:11):
which was almost to the day, the year anniversary of
the pilot premiering after the American Idol finale and how
far we've come? How far? Like you know, Ryan said,
I remember after one of those initial parties, after the
premiere who I think Chris and Chenowith asked him, like,
(01:32):
oh well, Kevin never like get up and sing and dance.
He's like, no, that's never going to happen. I remember
that yep cut. Two year later, here I am. We
are dancing tales oldest time. Don't put the idea in
Ryan's head because he doesn't forget. I also watched a
little bit of the Glee tour last night online and
he brought back a lot of memories. Now I remember
(01:54):
the songs that we performed because the other one is
fresher in my mind. So this was a good good
I was like, I forgot they did boys mine. I
forgot they did we did too jobs. I forgot. Yeah,
we didn't do as many shows, so the other one
was much more ingrained in our bodies. That's right, that's right.
So this time, so this was the anniversary and May
(02:18):
twenty to twenty second, we kicked off our first three
our three night gig at the Gibson rip Amphitheater at
Universal CityWalk, and that was fun because we were on
home turf. It was nice to be sleeping in your
own bed and then going to the theater or the
right as a theater and performing the show and it
(02:40):
was just such a fun, fun experience to be back
at home. And if you go to Universal Studios in
La now that's now Hogwarts, That's right. So the Gibson
got knocked down to become Hogwarts. So whatever do you remember, though, Kevin?
In between shows one day we asked them I think
(03:03):
it was Amber who was like, can we go on
some of the rides? And they were like, um, maybe,
and we were like, we all want to go on
our rights And then we started bugging everybody and they
got security to take us to like the back lot
tour and we we did Jurassic Park, right, I think
(03:25):
we Jurassic Park. We yep, Mommy was a big one.
We didn't we do the studio a lot tours? Did
we do that? I don't remember. Yeah, we were very excited.
Were we doing matinees? I think we had done to
a two day, two show day to day do two
doche there we go there is yeah, which I know.
(03:48):
Jamie Lee Curtis said she wishes bands would do matinee's
on the performance side of it personally when you have
so normally cats don't have matinees on both glee tours.
We had matinees because they were really trying to get
their money's worth for the allotted time they had us
under contract. Tell me what the audiences were like, Kevin, Look,
(04:12):
it's not just on our end doing a matinee. And
you can talk about this Janet as doing theater. Yeah,
where it is a slog to get your body geared
up to be at a ten by one pm. Correct,
because and especially when you're doing music or doing a concert,
you people normally make music late at night. It is
(04:34):
very much a nighttime thing. People are out there drinking
or doing whatever. And you feel that when you're on
stage because the audience reacts completely differently and nine times
out of ten and audience in the middle of the
day also feels that way. And so when you're on stage,
you're feeding off what the audience is giving you and
at one pm they're not giving you a ten. I
(04:55):
can turn that. I will say as a mom Aftu
concert sound lightful. No, Logistically it makes a lot of sense,
and especially for children's concerts, Yes, But performance and energy wise,
it's brutal. It's brutal. It is brutal, and especially because
if you've done a show the night before. That's a
half of the time of the turnaround you normally, Yeah,
(05:15):
you're flemmy, you're tired, it's still light out. There's just
a lot of things, so I know, when the sun
goes down, it's it's time to go, like you're you're
ready to go, And when the sun's up mid day,
like you just had lunch and you're gonna go, it's weird. Yeah,
I agree. However, I will say this was a different tour,
but Toronto. If there's anybody in Toronto listening, greatest of
(05:40):
all time matinee crowd, yea we had they brought to
matinees and yes, if that matinee was not louder than
any of the evening shows because they were bringing it.
And I think if you look somewhere on YouTube, I
think I mentioned that as well. Well. The Canadians are
just nice people, so they give us what we need. Yeah,
(06:00):
you're right, all right. So that was the tour where
there will be more tour later and um okay, I
have a lot of notes for this this episode, just
because there's so many memories that I didn't want to forget. Yes,
all right. This episode was directed by Joss Wheden. This
(06:22):
was pre Avengers right very early like post Buffy, Yes, um,
what was the other? It was shortly after this where
he sort of took all those first two Avenger movies
character movies and then he crafted what we know today
(06:44):
to be the Avengers and did the first Avenger movie.
And he also was very musical. He was a very
musical guy. So this was like, you know, just directorially,
like right up his alley. And we also had he
interacted with us very differently than any director had up
to this point. This was our nineteenth episode, and so
(07:07):
we sort of had a rhythm. We had a series
of the same directors coming right now. And when he
came in, because you and I had also like a
lot of sensitive scenes in this that he do you
remember this? He came to base camp, he pulled us
out for a acting rehearsal which never happened never, and
(07:28):
took us up to the dance studio of the Tin
Shed and we worked on that scene with the tapping
and where you fall. Yeah, And he just showed so
much care and thoughtfulness, and I think you're able to
do that when you're just coming in for one episode
like this and you have the time to plan and
(07:50):
do it, and the script is written. And I was
going to say, clearly the script was on time, Yes, exactly.
M Yeah, we'll get to that. Uh, this is a
big episode. There's a lot happening. Brian Ryan is here,
you know, Patrick Harris, who Josh has worked with UM
in other things, and Um, Kevin is a dance and
(08:16):
Shelby Corkoran has lots to do Our Greenwitch, Dinna man
zeal And. Yeah. So the songs in this episode are
dream On by Aerosmith wild Um, the Safety Dance Dance
by Men Without Hats, and I dreamed a dream by
the castline. It's very exciting. And then dream a little dream.
(08:40):
That's right, Dream a little dream, Kevin. You had a lot,
a lot of recording to do, and this I did.
But it was one afternoon actually, oh it was one
evening pre a Glee dinner at the Chateau Marmont. Oh really, yeah,
pretty usual. I had a slight meltdown, which you know standard. Um.
(09:02):
Both my voice just didn't feel great, you know, some
days it just doesn't feel great. And yeah, and I
did Safety Dance first, and because actually it was sort
of like talking, it was harder. It was harsher on
my voice, I think, and then you get into this
really soft and you're like, oh well my voice is
(09:26):
now gone. So but I was really excited. I remember
talking to Amber at that dinner about how I was
trying to make Dreamy Little dream Um sound older, you know,
like do a different vibrato and things like that. I
was very excited for the vocal challenge. It was okay,
it was a great little number. Also, is that just
(09:47):
the most like sampled and used song now and everything?
I think every commercial I hear in every restaurant, It's
just everywhere. There's a billion different versions of it. Yes, Yes,
that's a great there's an episode summary. Do you want
(10:12):
to talk about it? Sure? So, Will's former high school
nemesis classic Brian Ryan shows up and causes some trouble
for the glee club. Mm hmmm, that's no good. Then
Rachel struggles with a lifelong personal issue, plus Artientina your
favorites try to find a way for Artie to live
his dream of walking again. Oh well dancing really right,
(10:36):
that's what it is. So let's get into it. Well,
let's talk about Brian Ryan. Let's talk about Brian Ryan. Um,
so we learned that that's Will's arch and ousts from
high school and he just happens to be on the
school board and he wants to cut the glee club. Well, yeah,
(10:58):
he wants to cut the glee club. He has to
cut funding from the arts somewhere, from some extracurricular thing,
and obviously, because he hates Will, it's most likely going
to come from there, that's right. So he comes in
and he talks to all of us and the a
choir room scene where he says, you know, most of
you probably want to pursue this and want to do this,
(11:21):
and you know you shouldn't. You you shouldn't because you're
not going to succeed. He's a drein killer. He had
us actually write down on pieces of paper what it
is we want already obviously wrote he wants to dance.
What were some of the other ones? Um, I have
(11:41):
a threesome, not have stretch marks, and and then Tina.
He breaks Tina basically yeah, and this was the first
time that I had to cry. This is one of
the first of many that will come. See, here's the thing.
You do something and you do it too well, that's right,
(12:04):
and they're just gonna keep having you do it because
Tina cried one time and she never stopped crying. Run
it into the ground. We did, Yes, that's we did.
It's also not that easy for me to cry on you,
like I can do it, but it takes a while
for me to get there. So this was not something
that was like in my back pocket, like I could
cry out of one eye like Rachel Barry. But anyway,
(12:27):
that's the beginning of that. So Will is like, what boo,
he's Brian, Ryan's wrong. So I just had a memory. Yeah,
do you remember when we filmed this, Neil Patrick Harris
had hosted the Oscars the day before. Well, this was
(12:48):
also the one when we want to the parties the
night before, so everyone it was so if you go
watch that scene, Neil Patrick Harris looking fresh and rested, glowing,
had hosted the Oscars, the biggest award ceremony of the year,
(13:09):
and everybody, including him and us, we're out pretty late,
not party, praying, partying or drinking water. Yeah, no, we were.
And Mondays is the earliest call. So normally on Mondays
you have like a girls have like a five thirty
am call. We were there, and we were in that
(13:30):
choir room. That was the first team we did with them.
It was the jacket one, right, yeah, first up, first
up for him and for Joss and for everybody. We
were just looking puffy. Neil Patrick Harris got an Emmy
for this, so he's fine. And he did great, like
(13:50):
he looked glowy. Um. Yes, good memories though. I remember
sitting there being like, how is he doing this? I
know we were like I I have no lines and
I'm barely truly, I think I think there was somebody
they will rename, real name, will remain Wow, Okay, they
(14:11):
will remain nameless. You try and say that um fell
asleep on the back wall. So this is why I remember.
Because there is a shot of us and somebody looks
very sleepy, more sleepy than the others. And yea, she
(14:35):
her eyes were barely. She loves to dance. She does
love to dance. She loves to dance. There's a couple
of girls who would regularly fall asleep in all right,
So they go they go to a bar, right, they
go to the bar. Umar because Weill was just like, look,
(14:57):
you're wrong about this. I remember how good you or
like and let me take you out and refresh your
memory about how rewarding this is. Like, let me just
remind you. And so Will takes him out to this bar,
reminds him how they used to sing together. Will and
(15:19):
Brian talk about their crushes and Brian's like, oh, I
love that Terry Delmonico girl, and He's like, oh I
married her. What a last name? Right? It also makes
me hungry for steak. Um. And then and then they
do this. You know, there was a lot of live
(15:41):
singing in this episode that never happens. So when they
are when Neil Patrick Harris is singing in the flashback scene, um,
he is singing live. And then when they go to
the bar and they do Piano Man, they're singing live again.
You're like, oh, yes, I have these musical theater pros
sing live because they sound incredible. Do you know why
(16:02):
was that just the request or was that Joss or
what do you remember? I'm not sure, but I think
it's because they're singing to track, like they're singing over
like piano Man was singing to the actual song. Right,
it's not supposed to sound super predict no, yeah, and
it sounds great and that could have been a Jos thing.
Jos was very much about. Even though he's famous for
doing sci fi shows, he was very much into grounding
(16:26):
this show correct. So then you know, Brian Ryan and
Will hit it off, and it was like, look, they're
doing lay miscasting. You should audition with me because I'm
going to audition, Like, let's reignite this flame. So they
go to audition for it, and all of a sudden,
(16:48):
their nice little moment, you know, the reprieve of hating
each other is ended because they realized they're doing the
same audition song, and so we get a very good duet.
Brian Ryan copies Will. Yes, It's like, that's funny, I'm
doing that. Yeah, that's funny, I'm doing that. And then
the guy says do it as a duet, which would
(17:11):
never happen. But I feel honored to have watched that number.
It's wild. That is a crazy high song. And it
made me think of something that Ryan said in our
last interview with him, where people forgot that the show
was a satire. Right, you know, you watch a lot
of it and you take it so seriously, like why
(17:32):
are they doing this? Watch Will Schuster and Brian Ryan
do this number like Matt with his hand over his face.
This show is a satire people, right, that's right, that's right,
And it is very much like a local theater thing,
like yeah, I run the dry cleaners. You have thirty minutes?
Like can we I don't care? Can we just do this?
You guys like who? So they do this incredible number.
(17:56):
I also found out my boyfriend Austin performed this version
of this song in high school with his theater rival. No,
He's like, I did this song in high school. Lets
do it? I was like, was it this version? And
then we were watching it together and he started doing
the ad libs the Glee version ads like, oh, so
what was this version? Because I guess so, Oh my gosh,
(18:19):
sometimes you don't you're doing the Glee versions. Oh that's
so sad, and I'm so sorry that he had to.
That was it? Yeah? So Brian and Sue, um, we're
supposed to be like we're Cotton Glee Club. We've both
were taking him down. We're taking the Little Shoester down.
(18:41):
But Brian Ryan decides he changes his mind and decides
to cut some of the Cheerio's budget instead, and Sue
tells will U that he got the lead in lay
Miss in front of the glee club and in front
of Brian and Ryan, embarrassing his ass. And Brian got
(19:05):
a townspeople role, which I will say I played a
townsperson in Lame is my freshman year of high school. Yes, um,
and so Ray who Ray? Ray? So good? Um? But
then what was the quote? He says to Brian says
(19:28):
to Sue, you're an impressive woman. I can't tell how
much she turned me on right now. You ever heard
of the term anger sex? And she says it's the
only kind I know. Brian. Brian says, I should tell
you I'm married, as she says, not a problem for me. Um.
So Brian decides to cut the program because he gets
(19:48):
mad it Will Um forgetting the part, and then we
bribe him essentially without doing it, and Will gives Brian
Ryan the part Jeanjean so that he can save his
preciously clan and then we're back to square one like
it never happened. It's a one off. Okay, he's not
(20:12):
available for any other traps. MPa just needed that guest star, Immy,
you know, he's like calls his agent's look, I need
a guest star. I mean which show, yes, but like
we know the one. So the other thing. One of
the other things that's going on this episode is during
(20:32):
that classroom scene where Brian Ryan is having everyone write
down their dreams, Artie writes and he wants to become
a dancer because Tina took it out of the trash
bin when I wanted to get my book bag. By
the way, who calls it a book bag. It's like
a pocket book. Yeah, that sounds like a Long Island thing.
All right, sorry to interrupt you, No, you're good. And
so Tina is like, come on, fess up, what's the
(20:57):
situation here? Why first of all, to do lie about
wanting to be an answer because that's not what already
said originally, And then she's like, I got the proof.
I have the receipts for you. And so then they
get together and she's trying to help him live this
fantasy and they decide to do a tap number with
(21:17):
the little tapping things on the wheels, which, oh, it
doesn't really work. The thing about a wheel is that
it needs to be round, and to think about adding
the little tapper things on is that they're not. And
so it was were not the most practical, well thing,
(21:37):
do you remember what? So this was. I'm glad it
turned out this way. But initially Zach had said to
the writer's room, what if we have Tina do a
sexy tap number with like canes and top hats and
have her and tap around. Now, I'm not the best tapper,
(21:58):
but I can take it till I make it in
an audition. You don't have to look like you're doing it.
And it turned into this, it actually was, and we'll
get to dream. We'll dream of me. That's a soft
shoe number. That's not a tap number. That was a
soft shoe number. I don't have taps on my shoes
(22:21):
and neither do Harry. But anyway, it's supposed to look
like it. That's movie magic. For the storyline, Yeah, for
the storyline regardless. I'm happy that this worked out because
you get to dance. But um so, so you're tapping,
You're trying to tap. Tina's trying to help you live
out your dreams of being a dancer, and and you're like,
(22:47):
I can do it, I can walk, I can get
up and use these things from I have some crushes
laying around, right, don't worry about it right, and you
fall and it's really sad. I was really insecure about
filming this scene, and so when Joss made us rehearse this,
I was also, you know, is that thing that I
(23:07):
was dreading the one scene in the script I didn't
want to do. I didn't feel confident in my acting
ability to be emotional and dramatic comedy is much more
comfortable for me to live in the seriousness, especially when
you're surrounded by so many good dramatic actors. When you
are in a scene and Chris colfor can just cry
(23:32):
and is so good, and I remember talking to Dante,
one of the producers, being like, oh, I think that
take was bad, and he had to sort of talk
me off the ledge and he was like, do you
think Chris is better than you because he can cry?
And I was like, yes, he's better than me, because
he's better than me. And while I do think he
is much better than me, Dante said something as executive
(23:54):
producers sort of you need to step in and do
these things every now and then and calm your actor
headcase down, which was me, and you know, just gave
me some nice notes of being like, no, that's not
how this works. You're bringing this, this and this and
blah blah blah, and Joss equally was the sweet about it. Yep,
and like, because it was a really sensitive dramatic scene,
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Joss would come in and talk like this and he
would just he would get down when I was on
the floor, he would he would get down on his
knees and like just whisper in my ears like okay,
I'll try this, and would just say a word. And
it sounds crazy right now, but when you're doing those
scenes and you're sowing your head and you're in the
moment and you're doing it over and over again, you're like,
am I giving enough? I have nothing enough to give?
(24:35):
And he'll come in and be like just think of
this and he'll say where you're like, you're right, that
change and he did that every scene. Great. But we
got through that scene and I thought you and I
did a really nice job of this whole episode, Jenna.
I was really proud of this nice. I thought you
did a good job. I thought Josh really helped to
guide us because we were still so green in terms
(24:57):
of all of this. And now I look at back
at that and I'm like, I cringe, but at my choices.
But I wasn't looking at it from a director's point
of view, which I would now, I was looking at
it from an actor's point of view, which is like
totally different. Um I wish I had that, you know,
in hindsight, that like foresight basically yeah, But um no,
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I thought we did a great job in terms of
like where we were in our lives and like and
just having the support we did. I was nervous for
that number as well, or for that scene in Jos
would be like is there anything you need? Is there
anything you need? Which is so nice. Not every actually
you know director will do that, and especially like crying
and things like that, like he's like you quiet, you know,
(25:40):
do you need a quiet on set? Blah blah blah.
Sometimes you just have to go off into a corner
because like there's eighteen other young people who don't have
to cry that day that are just like laughing and
doing all this stuff and it's very hard anyway, great job, Kevin. Likewise,
I think there's also something when we talked about this
with Paris too, when you know you're in the hands
(26:02):
of somebody who you can really trust, where like Josh
had directed so much TV and created so much TV
that he like he was a TV legend, so we
knew we were in good hands and could just sort
of trust him and also be intimidated by him at
the same time. Totally. Yeah. So Tina is then like, look,
I've done all this research on spinal cord injuries. You're
(26:24):
she's really trying to help Artie. And they're at the mall,
which is really cute. I love that we see people
at the mall. And then do you remember we filmed
that shot as actually outside the mall, not at the
school with those with the school buses and the sunflair.
I yelled sunflair when I saw it. Josh was so excited.
It was just one take where we had the sunflair
just happened to be in the right position at the
(26:46):
right time. Yep. You know. I have to say watching
people kiss is really awkward and uncomfortable, and it's not
a good testament to tell if you're a good kisser.
I thought ours looked pretty damn good, if I do
say so much. Solf the that was like, you could
(27:08):
tell we've done this before. That's not too strangers. Maybe
that's right. Yeah, yeah, God, sorry, um, And so in
the mall, all of a sudden, this is what I
want to address. All of a sudden, it goes into
(27:30):
a dream sequence without acknowledging that it's a dream sequence.
All of a sudden's like, hey, ye I've been trying
all those therapies and look and I get up out
of the wheelchair and I do this line that I
was like, really I want to do? Is damn? And
I was. It hit me And I didn't feel this
(27:50):
obviously when I watched it the first time because I'm
too biased in it, But like, what the hell did
people think when that happened all of a sudden? Because
it looks the same, It looks natural, it looks like, oh,
he's just getting up. I think that's the idea who
was supposed to trick? Yeah? Yeah, but were people like
what the Oh? I'm sure and they're probably really people
(28:11):
who would get mad that they're like, what, he can
just get up and ma walk right right? And then
there were other people who probably were like what this
is amazing? So yeah, I'm sure, but yes, okay, so
this is where your questions come in. Yes, I just
because I really felt for a second of how bamboozled
or like slapped across the face an audience might feel
(28:31):
when you're watching that. But I mean, yeah, the mad
the whole point is is that it does feel like
it's not a dream sequence until it is. And this
isn't the craze of the flash mobs. Right in the
middle of flash mobs being such a huge thing, wedding
proposals and ye marriage proposals and at schools and malls
and it was everywhere. And so we did it, and
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Joss had that really cool idea of filming it and
all these different types of cameras and you see that,
you see people actually doing it. It felt real. They
filmed it unreal phones. Like Andrew Mitchell said in that
interview with him, we filmed it on a mall that
had like a fish market right off the bottomore. Yeah,
where we were filming, when we were laying on the floor,
(29:11):
that part we were facing like where the camera was
in front of the fish market. So where I was
performing to was directly into this fish market people were
coming in and out of and it just smelled. It
smelled so bad. And we shot a couple of things
at that mall. Buy that fish market did, and it
was smelly, especially that time. I remember that one especially.
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And then your family was there. Yeah, my mom and
my sister happened to be in town or I don't know.
If I coordinated this in advance, I don't know, but
I didn't tell them what we were doing, and I said,
come to this mall we're shooting. It's easier, you know,
to have someone visit when we're on location like that,
because it's a public place. And jes see, and I
(29:56):
remember them when we were filming down on the floor,
you didn't see anything else. They were standing up on
the ledge that you see later on above the escalators, yep.
And I remember right before take looking up and like
waving at them and they're just saying hi. And then
all of a sudden, I do the whole huge dance
number with like eighty billion backup dancers, and after I
(30:18):
look up at them and they're crying. Oh. They were like,
you sign up a big us because they know how
much I love to do that and love to perform
in that way, and so they were just really excited
that I got to do it. And I remember watching
it too. I can tell I'm not confident doing it.
I felt like I was not used to having the
(30:39):
attention or spotlight on me. I remember even showing up
to dance rehearsal. They had a whole because there were
so many dancers, we had a whole different the same
sound stage we used to rehearse in for a jump
to all the mattresses. So we had this gigantic empty
sound stage, all these dancers, and they were all waiting
for me to show up because I was also filming.
And then all of a sudden, staff yeah, and I
was very, very uncomfortable. I was like, I am very
(31:01):
happy being supporting Roland. Yeah, give me my two lines
per episode. I am not used to this. But it
was fun. It was It was so much fun. It's
such a great number and we can talk about that
when we get to the tour. I love that everybody
was in it too. Yes, I just like all the
Glee club was in it, and that was so sweet.
Everyone looks so happy. I don't know if it was acting,
(31:23):
but it was just fun. It was. We were so
happy to that you got to dance. We got to
watch you do that, and we knew how happy you were,
and it was just a big happy black mom yeah,
it was great. Then Artady goes to Emma and shares
(31:48):
the research that her, you know, him and Tina had
found and he's like, when I start walking again, and
there's this kind of magical, hopeful thinking. That's very sad,
and Emma has to kind of take Alreadie back down
to earth and tell him the truth of like what
you know, what the reality truly is. And so that
(32:10):
was really sad. And that leads to Alreadie telling Tina
in a very sweet scene that she should find a
new dance partner. And I remember this scene to Joss
being like this, you should be very quiet, you should
get down on his level. And yeah, it was very
specific with his vision. He wasn't forcing anything, but it
was just very clear. And I remember shooting this and
(32:36):
and then we go into dream a little dream with
Tina and Mike Chang, and this is the beginning of
Tina and Mike chan tell us about your fake tap number,
your soft shoe number. So this is wasn't my big
tap sexy tap number. And it turns really sad. Sad,
She's not sad. I just mean how everybody is acting
(32:56):
in the scene is really sad. Yeah, everybody has their
own story line going on. This is a very true
Colors moment. I guess where everybody's sitting in their little things,
um semi circle. We rehearse this probably one day, on
one short day, I think, maybe twice, and it was
very quick and as Harry's not a tap dancer, No,
(33:17):
but here's a dancer, and he looks better than I
do because my arms are swamping arms the whole time.
It's just very cringey. And that is not my thing,
like I like express my express yourself, that's my thing.
Like this was not my thing at all, partnering being
solo danced. It should have been Heather like me. And
(33:39):
those are my dance shoes though from college and no way, yeah,
that I'm wearing and they're not tap shoes. And Zach
had to go in and in post production and do
the tapping the sound. It was it all Zach. I
was wondering who was doing that. It's all Zack. I
(34:00):
can't imagine how meticulous and draining that must be to
match up the taps to that number. Well, let me
tell you it's very We weren't even nearly doing the
proper tapping anyway, so we really just had to look
like it. But we didn't learn in the actual taps
off shoe number. And it's very simple, basic moves. Anybody
can do it them if I can do them. So
(34:21):
um anyway, that was the Yeah, it was a very
quick thing. And I have these pictures from it that
I can share from Adam Rose, who was our onset photographer,
who's lovely, and I had some of these rehearsals, but
I was like, this is annoying because this looks I know,
I look terrible. I was just really annoyed. But that
(34:44):
beautiful scene, that beautiful shot at the end of you
in the foe, you know, in the foreground, and then
us in the background. It was just really sad. It
was a movie. It was a movie, and and that's it.
So wait, but do you remember the line when you
(35:05):
say I sound like someone put te she's on a
horse and she. I love that line. And I think
you and Harry sold the tap dancing, you know whatever, whatever,
give me swamp hands all day. I love it. So
the only thing that's happening in this episode, there's several
there's like a reveal within a reveal. It's like when
(35:27):
a drag queen takes off a wig and there's another
wig underneath. That's what happens with this storyline. So Jesse
Saint James, who was on the spring break apparently comes
back and encourages Rachel to, you know, find her dream.
What's her dream? She says she wants to find her mom,
(35:47):
but she doesn't know how. She just knows that her
dads have information in the basement. So Jesse's like, then
let's go do it. And so there's this really I
love the scene of of a trill and Jesse going
through things, and then Rachel keeps referring to Patti Lapone
as mother. Well, mother was here on this day. Yes,
(36:09):
that was a very funny little vignett. Yeah, I love that.
And then she also talks about how she has a
theory that her mom is burned at Peter's and like,
you know, I get it. Who wouldn't want them as
your mom. So while this is happening, they find a
tape and there and it says from mom, and Rachel's
(36:31):
like what is this? And she freaks out and she
can't listen to it, even though Jesse's like, you should
do it, and he's like, she was like, no, no,
you need to leave. So then cute I love when
there's like Mistery Shenanigan's happening. It's raining and it's dark,
and it's in a car always, it's always raining in
the car and Jesse comes in the car and who's
(36:54):
there but Shelby. And then we find out that Shelby
because the whole thing with Jesse and Rachel is like,
is this real love? Because in the beginning, where like
everyone in the glee club is fairly certain that Jesse's
up to no good, right, and now it's been weeks
and we've forgotten about it and they do just like
(37:15):
each other. Right. Nope, this whole thing has been a
plan of Shelby's because Shelby directed Jesse to go become friends,
not necessarily become lovers. But Jesse's you know, saying that, well,
he thinks he's starting to actually have feelings for her.
And it also turns out that it's Shelby's dream, even
(37:39):
though she's legally bound to not do this, to somehow
have Rachel find out she's her mother a wig on
a wig A reveal after a reveal, And so what
happens is Jesse goes back to Rachel's and gets her
to play that damn tape. Well, Shelby's very adamant requests
(38:00):
to the d yes, so Rachel listens to the day
and of course we go into some beautiful dream sequence
of I dreamed a dream, and which is pretty stunning.
It was and this too wasn't like the big wavy
um and they do look oddly similar. It's so crazy, um.
(38:23):
And they basing this beautiful duet of I dreamed a Dream.
Rachel says, when they're looking through the boxes, this quote, um,
my first singing competition. I came in first place. And
Jesse says, you were eight months old, and Rachel says,
I was very musically vable. I also like when you're
(38:44):
looking at the sonogram and he says, it looks like
you're in fifth position. And that's that's dream on, folks.
That is dream on. What a fun episode to do.
I also, as an overall creative stylistic note, did this
episode feel darker in terms of like how it was
colored or how it was shot? Like the whole thing
(39:06):
feels darker to me, And I'm wondering if that was
like a Joss decision. Yes, you definitely, definitely looked a
bit a little different, right, yeah yeah, yeah, yet so
Tarty takes Jenna, let's do it. Cringe moments aka Paris
Berkeley out cheese, I don't know I either. Actually weren't
(39:29):
that many cringe moments in this episode for me, except
for in the Brian Ryan storyline. Just the the married
whole Brian Ryan married Sue thing was kind of like
the cringeest thing of the episode, to be honest, I
think that was, um, it's been worse than other episodes.
(39:53):
I think also we can do this with worst Dance Move.
I think Brian Ryan and Will Schuster there sort of
rivalry and competitiveness and singing is cringey in like a
different way, like a funny comedic way, like they're cringey
because they're both like what do you You're both grown
ass men upset about a glee club, Like can you
calm down in a community theater? Yeah, and they're jumping
(40:16):
around this stage like they're like okay on the bron Wood.
I think we should do best dance move, and I
vote safety dance, thank you very much. Would I would agree.
I think some of that soft shoe was very nice.
Jenna hair was really getting on the extension of those
arms in those hands. He was really I know, because
(40:38):
he's a dancer, professional professional. Okay, best song this song?
Um obviously safety Dance. Yeah, Safe Dance. I don't like
that song generally speaking, but it's the sentiment behind the
actual It was really fun to get to do. Yeah,
(41:00):
it was best performance by a prop, Kevin, you think
I'm a prop? Jenna, wait till we get the episode
to the episode props. Oh, yeah, the best performance by
a prop. I think the little tappers on my wheelchair
were pretty great. That's good Shelby's tape to Rachel. That
(41:24):
means I actually did a lot. Yeah, that was an
actual problem. Best lines, best line I think my favorite
line honestly is John Groff saying you look like you're
in fifth position at a sonogram. I gotta say, I
feel like all I want to do is dance, Jenna,
(41:52):
I hate you. Just the wall of CD players as well. Also,
it was like, yeah, let's take out those burned CD
and it in this wall of CD play. Get your
zipber CD case out in your car. Okay, should we
found on TikTok It is the Year of Our Lord
(42:14):
twenty twenty three and somebody's having a Glee Night at
like a proper venue in New York City. I don't understand.
If you go on TikTok, it's Glee Night tour and
they're throwing like a full I think they're gonna be
playing like music videos. It's a full party of all
(42:35):
Glee music in twenty three. What is happening? What is?
I think it's hilarious and great, but I had no
idea this was a thing. But we've been tagged on
Twitter and on TikTok everywhere. Yes, is that a big venue? Yeah,
it's a very popular Like what what? I'm perplexed? Yeah, Also,
(43:01):
like are we invited? What's the deal? What's the plan?
I guess if you go to Glee Knight, send VIDs,
send pics. Didn't happen? Um? Great? Yeah, I think that's great.
There's also a really cute video. So Chris Carmack, who's
co stars with Harry on Craze, took a video of
(43:24):
Harry videoing him dancing just to get his reaction, because
you know, Harry's a professional, as we've learned with that
fake tap dancing, and that's also very cute, and Harry
looks the exact same. He does look he looks younger. Actually.
You know, this was a viral thing though, because they
were it was parents videoing asking their kids to video
(43:47):
them dancing, and but they turned the camera around on them,
so you actually get the kids reactions, which is very
sweet and and very like innocent and young on fun.
And then Harry did it and Harry doesn't look so pleased.
Harry has no christ is dancing. It's wild, you know,
(44:08):
it's very funny. It's very funny, and they look like
having a great time on set. I know we shouldn't
go visit. I would just lose my marbles. That is,
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(00:24):
I was trying to think of it. It's fine. It's
great to be here with you, Jenna. This is great
to be here with you. This is very exciting. This is,
you know, another big episode for Argentina. It's right, yeah,
these are our favorites because we can talk about ourselves, right,
so much fun. This was a really fun one, especially
(00:46):
because we get to see Kevin Dean. Yes, and I
wish I went when we get to it, I want
to get some fan reaction. I want them to write
in and tell us what they thought, because I have questions.
Oh yeah. So this episode is season one, episode nineteen,
dream On. It originally aired on May eighteenth, twenty ten,
(01:11):
which was almost to the day, the year anniversary of
the pilot premiering after the American Idol finale and how
far we've come? How far? Like you know, Ryan said,
I remember after one of those initial parties, after the
premiere who I think Chris and Chenowith asked him, like,
(01:32):
oh well, Kevin never like get up and sing and dance.
He's like, no, that's never going to happen. I remember
that yep cut. Two year later, here I am. We
are dancing tales oldest time. Don't put the idea in
Ryan's head because he doesn't forget. I also watched a
little bit of the Glee tour last night online and
he brought back a lot of memories. Now I remember
(01:54):
the songs that we performed because the other one is
fresher in my mind. So this was a good good
I was like, I forgot they did boys mine. I
forgot they did we did too jobs. I forgot. Yeah,
we didn't do as many shows, so the other one
was much more ingrained in our bodies. That's right, that's right.
So this time, so this was the anniversary and May
(02:18):
twenty to twenty second, we kicked off our first three
our three night gig at the Gibson rip Amphitheater at
Universal CityWalk, and that was fun because we were on
home turf. It was nice to be sleeping in your
own bed and then going to the theater or the
right as a theater and performing the show and it
(02:40):
was just such a fun, fun experience to be back
at home. And if you go to Universal Studios in
La now that's now Hogwarts, That's right. So the Gibson
got knocked down to become Hogwarts. So whatever do you remember, though, Kevin?
In between shows one day we asked them I think
(03:03):
it was Amber who was like, can we go on
some of the rides? And they were like, um, maybe,
and we were like, we all want to go on
our rights And then we started bugging everybody and they
got security to take us to like the back lot
tour and we we did Jurassic Park, right, I think
(03:25):
we Jurassic Park. We yep, Mommy was a big one.
We didn't we do the studio a lot tours? Did
we do that? I don't remember. Yeah, we were very excited.
Were we doing matinees? I think we had done to
a two day, two show day to day do two
doche there we go there is yeah, which I know.
(03:48):
Jamie Lee Curtis said she wishes bands would do matinee's
on the performance side of it personally when you have
so normally cats don't have matinees on both glee tours.
We had matinees because they were really trying to get
their money's worth for the allotted time they had us
under contract. Tell me what the audiences were like, Kevin, Look,
(04:12):
it's not just on our end doing a matinee. And
you can talk about this Janet as doing theater. Yeah,
where it is a slog to get your body geared
up to be at a ten by one pm. Correct,
because and especially when you're doing music or doing a concert,
you people normally make music late at night. It is
(04:34):
very much a nighttime thing. People are out there drinking
or doing whatever. And you feel that when you're on
stage because the audience reacts completely differently and nine times
out of ten and audience in the middle of the
day also feels that way. And so when you're on stage,
you're feeding off what the audience is giving you and
at one pm they're not giving you a ten. I
(04:55):
can turn that. I will say as a mom Aftu
concert sound lightful. No, Logistically it makes a lot of sense,
and especially for children's concerts, Yes, But performance and energy wise,
it's brutal. It's brutal. It is brutal, and especially because
if you've done a show the night before. That's a
half of the time of the turnaround you normally, Yeah,
(05:15):
you're flemmy, you're tired, it's still light out. There's just
a lot of things, so I know, when the sun
goes down, it's it's time to go, like you're you're
ready to go, And when the sun's up mid day,
like you just had lunch and you're gonna go, it's weird. Yeah,
I agree. However, I will say this was a different tour,
but Toronto. If there's anybody in Toronto listening, greatest of
(05:40):
all time matinee crowd, yea we had they brought to
matinees and yes, if that matinee was not louder than
any of the evening shows because they were bringing it.
And I think if you look somewhere on YouTube, I
think I mentioned that as well. Well. The Canadians are
just nice people, so they give us what we need. Yeah,
(06:00):
you're right, all right. So that was the tour where
there will be more tour later and um okay, I
have a lot of notes for this this episode, just
because there's so many memories that I didn't want to forget. Yes,
all right. This episode was directed by Joss Wheden. This
(06:22):
was pre Avengers right very early like post Buffy, Yes, um,
what was the other? It was shortly after this where
he sort of took all those first two Avenger movies
character movies and then he crafted what we know today
(06:44):
to be the Avengers and did the first Avenger movie.
And he also was very musical. He was a very
musical guy. So this was like, you know, just directorially,
like right up his alley. And we also had he
interacted with us very differently than any director had up
to this point. This was our nineteenth episode, and so
(07:07):
we sort of had a rhythm. We had a series
of the same directors coming right now. And when he
came in, because you and I had also like a
lot of sensitive scenes in this that he do you
remember this? He came to base camp, he pulled us
out for a acting rehearsal which never happened never, and
(07:28):
took us up to the dance studio of the Tin
Shed and we worked on that scene with the tapping
and where you fall. Yeah, And he just showed so
much care and thoughtfulness, and I think you're able to
do that when you're just coming in for one episode
like this and you have the time to plan and
(07:50):
do it, and the script is written. And I was
going to say, clearly the script was on time, Yes, exactly.
M Yeah, we'll get to that. Uh, this is a
big episode. There's a lot happening. Brian Ryan is here,
you know, Patrick Harris, who Josh has worked with UM
in other things, and Um, Kevin is a dance and
(08:16):
Shelby Corkoran has lots to do Our Greenwitch, Dinna man
zeal And. Yeah. So the songs in this episode are
dream On by Aerosmith wild Um, the Safety Dance Dance
by Men Without Hats, and I dreamed a dream by
the castline. It's very exciting. And then dream a little dream.
(08:40):
That's right, Dream a little dream, Kevin. You had a lot,
a lot of recording to do, and this I did.
But it was one afternoon actually, oh it was one
evening pre a Glee dinner at the Chateau Marmont. Oh really, yeah,
pretty usual. I had a slight meltdown, which you know standard. Um.
(09:02):
Both my voice just didn't feel great, you know, some
days it just doesn't feel great. And yeah, and I
did Safety Dance first, and because actually it was sort
of like talking, it was harder. It was harsher on
my voice, I think, and then you get into this
really soft and you're like, oh well my voice is
(09:26):
now gone. So but I was really excited. I remember
talking to Amber at that dinner about how I was
trying to make Dreamy Little dream Um sound older, you know,
like do a different vibrato and things like that. I
was very excited for the vocal challenge. It was okay,
it was a great little number. Also, is that just
(09:47):
the most like sampled and used song now and everything?
I think every commercial I hear in every restaurant, It's
just everywhere. There's a billion different versions of it. Yes, Yes,
that's a great there's an episode summary. Do you want
(10:12):
to talk about it? Sure? So, Will's former high school
nemesis classic Brian Ryan shows up and causes some trouble
for the glee club. Mm hmmm, that's no good. Then
Rachel struggles with a lifelong personal issue, plus Artientina your
favorites try to find a way for Artie to live
his dream of walking again. Oh well dancing really right,
(10:36):
that's what it is. So let's get into it. Well,
let's talk about Brian Ryan. Let's talk about Brian Ryan. Um,
so we learned that that's Will's arch and ousts from
high school and he just happens to be on the
school board and he wants to cut the glee club. Well, yeah,
(10:58):
he wants to cut the glee club. He has to
cut funding from the arts somewhere, from some extracurricular thing,
and obviously, because he hates Will, it's most likely going
to come from there, that's right. So he comes in
and he talks to all of us and the a
choir room scene where he says, you know, most of
you probably want to pursue this and want to do this,
(11:21):
and you know you shouldn't. You you shouldn't because you're
not going to succeed. He's a drein killer. He had
us actually write down on pieces of paper what it
is we want already obviously wrote he wants to dance.
What were some of the other ones? Um, I have
(11:41):
a threesome, not have stretch marks, and and then Tina.
He breaks Tina basically yeah, and this was the first
time that I had to cry. This is one of
the first of many that will come. See, here's the thing.
You do something and you do it too well, that's right,
(12:04):
and they're just gonna keep having you do it because
Tina cried one time and she never stopped crying. Run
it into the ground. We did, Yes, that's we did.
It's also not that easy for me to cry on you,
like I can do it, but it takes a while
for me to get there. So this was not something
that was like in my back pocket, like I could
cry out of one eye like Rachel Barry. But anyway,
(12:27):
that's the beginning of that. So Will is like, what boo,
he's Brian, Ryan's wrong. So I just had a memory. Yeah,
do you remember when we filmed this, Neil Patrick Harris
had hosted the Oscars the day before. Well, this was
(12:48):
also the one when we want to the parties the
night before, so everyone it was so if you go
watch that scene, Neil Patrick Harris looking fresh and rested, glowing,
had hosted the Oscars, the biggest award ceremony of the year,
(13:09):
and everybody, including him and us, we're out pretty late,
not party, praying, partying or drinking water. Yeah, no, we were.
And Mondays is the earliest call. So normally on Mondays
you have like a girls have like a five thirty
am call. We were there, and we were in that
(13:30):
choir room. That was the first team we did with them.
It was the jacket one, right, yeah, first up, first
up for him and for Joss and for everybody. We
were just looking puffy. Neil Patrick Harris got an Emmy
for this, so he's fine. And he did great, like
(13:50):
he looked glowy. Um. Yes, good memories though. I remember
sitting there being like, how is he doing this? I
know we were like I I have no lines and
I'm barely truly, I think I think there was somebody
they will rename, real name, will remain Wow, Okay, they
(14:11):
will remain nameless. You try and say that um fell
asleep on the back wall. So this is why I remember.
Because there is a shot of us and somebody looks
very sleepy, more sleepy than the others. And yea, she
(14:35):
her eyes were barely. She loves to dance. She does
love to dance. She loves to dance. There's a couple
of girls who would regularly fall asleep in all right,
So they go they go to a bar, right, they
go to the bar. Umar because Weill was just like, look,
(14:57):
you're wrong about this. I remember how good you or
like and let me take you out and refresh your
memory about how rewarding this is. Like, let me just
remind you. And so Will takes him out to this bar,
reminds him how they used to sing together. Will and
(15:19):
Brian talk about their crushes and Brian's like, oh, I
love that Terry Delmonico girl, and He's like, oh I
married her. What a last name? Right? It also makes
me hungry for steak. Um. And then and then they
do this. You know, there was a lot of live
(15:41):
singing in this episode that never happens. So when they
are when Neil Patrick Harris is singing in the flashback scene, um,
he is singing live. And then when they go to
the bar and they do Piano Man, they're singing live again.
You're like, oh, yes, I have these musical theater pros
sing live because they sound incredible. Do you know why
(16:02):
was that just the request or was that Joss or
what do you remember? I'm not sure, but I think
it's because they're singing to track, like they're singing over
like piano Man was singing to the actual song. Right,
it's not supposed to sound super predict no, yeah, and
it sounds great and that could have been a Jos thing.
Jos was very much about. Even though he's famous for
doing sci fi shows, he was very much into grounding
(16:26):
this show correct. So then you know, Brian Ryan and
Will hit it off, and it was like, look, they're
doing lay miscasting. You should audition with me because I'm
going to audition, Like, let's reignite this flame. So they
go to audition for it, and all of a sudden,
(16:48):
their nice little moment, you know, the reprieve of hating
each other is ended because they realized they're doing the
same audition song, and so we get a very good duet.
Brian Ryan copies Will. Yes, It's like, that's funny, I'm
doing that. Yeah, that's funny, I'm doing that. And then
the guy says do it as a duet, which would
(17:11):
never happen. But I feel honored to have watched that number.
It's wild. That is a crazy high song. And it
made me think of something that Ryan said in our
last interview with him, where people forgot that the show
was a satire. Right, you know, you watch a lot
of it and you take it so seriously, like why
(17:32):
are they doing this? Watch Will Schuster and Brian Ryan
do this number like Matt with his hand over his face.
This show is a satire people, right, that's right, that's right,
And it is very much like a local theater thing,
like yeah, I run the dry cleaners. You have thirty minutes?
Like can we I don't care? Can we just do this?
You guys like who? So they do this incredible number.
(17:56):
I also found out my boyfriend Austin performed this version
of this song in high school with his theater rival. No,
He's like, I did this song in high school. Lets
do it? I was like, was it this version? And
then we were watching it together and he started doing
the ad libs the Glee version ads like, oh, so
what was this version? Because I guess so, Oh my gosh,
(18:19):
sometimes you don't you're doing the Glee versions. Oh that's
so sad, and I'm so sorry that he had to.
That was it? Yeah? So Brian and Sue, um, we're
supposed to be like we're Cotton Glee Club. We've both
were taking him down. We're taking the Little Shoester down.
(18:41):
But Brian Ryan decides he changes his mind and decides
to cut some of the Cheerio's budget instead, and Sue
tells will U that he got the lead in lay
Miss in front of the glee club and in front
of Brian and Ryan, embarrassing his ass. And Brian got
(19:05):
a townspeople role, which I will say I played a
townsperson in Lame is my freshman year of high school. Yes, um,
and so Ray who Ray? Ray? So good? Um? But
then what was the quote? He says to Brian says
(19:28):
to Sue, you're an impressive woman. I can't tell how
much she turned me on right now. You ever heard
of the term anger sex? And she says it's the
only kind I know. Brian. Brian says, I should tell
you I'm married, as she says, not a problem for me. Um.
So Brian decides to cut the program because he gets
(19:48):
mad it Will Um forgetting the part, and then we
bribe him essentially without doing it, and Will gives Brian
Ryan the part Jeanjean so that he can save his
preciously clan and then we're back to square one like
it never happened. It's a one off. Okay, he's not
(20:12):
available for any other traps. MPa just needed that guest star, Immy,
you know, he's like calls his agent's look, I need
a guest star. I mean which show, yes, but like
we know the one. So the other thing. One of
the other things that's going on this episode is during
(20:32):
that classroom scene where Brian Ryan is having everyone write
down their dreams, Artie writes and he wants to become
a dancer because Tina took it out of the trash
bin when I wanted to get my book bag. By
the way, who calls it a book bag. It's like
a pocket book. Yeah, that sounds like a Long Island thing.
All right, sorry to interrupt you, No, you're good. And
so Tina is like, come on, fess up, what's the
(20:57):
situation here? Why first of all, to do lie about
wanting to be an answer because that's not what already
said originally, And then she's like, I got the proof.
I have the receipts for you. And so then they
get together and she's trying to help him live this
fantasy and they decide to do a tap number with
(21:17):
the little tapping things on the wheels, which, oh, it
doesn't really work. The thing about a wheel is that
it needs to be round, and to think about adding
the little tapper things on is that they're not. And
so it was were not the most practical, well thing,
(21:37):
do you remember what? So this was. I'm glad it
turned out this way. But initially Zach had said to
the writer's room, what if we have Tina do a
sexy tap number with like canes and top hats and
have her and tap around. Now, I'm not the best tapper,
(21:58):
but I can take it till I make it in
an audition. You don't have to look like you're doing it.
And it turned into this, it actually was, and we'll
get to dream. We'll dream of me. That's a soft
shoe number. That's not a tap number. That was a
soft shoe number. I don't have taps on my shoes
(22:21):
and neither do Harry. But anyway, it's supposed to look
like it. That's movie magic. For the storyline, Yeah, for
the storyline regardless. I'm happy that this worked out because
you get to dance. But um so, so you're tapping,
You're trying to tap. Tina's trying to help you live
out your dreams of being a dancer, and and you're like,
(22:47):
I can do it, I can walk, I can get
up and use these things from I have some crushes
laying around, right, don't worry about it right, and you
fall and it's really sad. I was really insecure about
filming this scene, and so when Joss made us rehearse this,
I was also, you know, is that thing that I
(23:07):
was dreading the one scene in the script I didn't
want to do. I didn't feel confident in my acting
ability to be emotional and dramatic comedy is much more
comfortable for me to live in the seriousness, especially when
you're surrounded by so many good dramatic actors. When you
are in a scene and Chris colfor can just cry
(23:32):
and is so good, and I remember talking to Dante,
one of the producers, being like, oh, I think that
take was bad, and he had to sort of talk
me off the ledge and he was like, do you
think Chris is better than you because he can cry?
And I was like, yes, he's better than me, because
he's better than me. And while I do think he
is much better than me, Dante said something as executive
(23:54):
producers sort of you need to step in and do
these things every now and then and calm your actor
headcase down, which was me, and you know, just gave
me some nice notes of being like, no, that's not
how this works. You're bringing this, this and this and
blah blah blah, and Joss equally was the sweet about it. Yep,
and like, because it was a really sensitive dramatic scene,
(24:14):
Joss would come in and talk like this and he
would just he would get down when I was on
the floor, he would he would get down on his
knees and like just whisper in my ears like okay,
I'll try this, and would just say a word. And
it sounds crazy right now, but when you're doing those
scenes and you're sowing your head and you're in the
moment and you're doing it over and over again, you're like,
am I giving enough? I have nothing enough to give?
(24:35):
And he'll come in and be like just think of
this and he'll say where you're like, you're right, that
change and he did that every scene. Great. But we
got through that scene and I thought you and I
did a really nice job of this whole episode, Jenna.
I was really proud of this nice. I thought you
did a good job. I thought Josh really helped to
guide us because we were still so green in terms
(24:57):
of all of this. And now I look at back
at that and I'm like, I cringe, but at my choices.
But I wasn't looking at it from a director's point
of view, which I would now, I was looking at
it from an actor's point of view, which is like
totally different. Um I wish I had that, you know,
in hindsight, that like foresight basically yeah, But um no,
(25:19):
I thought we did a great job in terms of
like where we were in our lives and like and
just having the support we did. I was nervous for
that number as well, or for that scene in Jos
would be like is there anything you need? Is there
anything you need? Which is so nice. Not every actually
you know director will do that, and especially like crying
and things like that, like he's like you quiet, you know,
(25:40):
do you need a quiet on set? Blah blah blah.
Sometimes you just have to go off into a corner
because like there's eighteen other young people who don't have
to cry that day that are just like laughing and
doing all this stuff and it's very hard anyway, great job, Kevin. Likewise,
I think there's also something when we talked about this
with Paris too, when you know you're in the hands
(26:02):
of somebody who you can really trust, where like Josh
had directed so much TV and created so much TV
that he like he was a TV legend, so we
knew we were in good hands and could just sort
of trust him and also be intimidated by him at
the same time. Totally. Yeah. So Tina is then like, look,
I've done all this research on spinal cord injuries. You're
(26:24):
she's really trying to help Artie. And they're at the mall,
which is really cute. I love that we see people
at the mall. And then do you remember we filmed
that shot as actually outside the mall, not at the
school with those with the school buses and the sunflair.
I yelled sunflair when I saw it. Josh was so excited.
It was just one take where we had the sunflair
just happened to be in the right position at the
(26:46):
right time. Yep. You know. I have to say watching
people kiss is really awkward and uncomfortable, and it's not
a good testament to tell if you're a good kisser.
I thought ours looked pretty damn good, if I do
say so much. Solf the that was like, you could
(27:08):
tell we've done this before. That's not too strangers. Maybe
that's right. Yeah, yeah, God, sorry, um, And so in
the mall, all of a sudden, this is what I
want to address. All of a sudden, it goes into
(27:30):
a dream sequence without acknowledging that it's a dream sequence.
All of a sudden's like, hey, ye I've been trying
all those therapies and look and I get up out
of the wheelchair and I do this line that I
was like, really I want to do? Is damn? And
I was. It hit me And I didn't feel this
(27:50):
obviously when I watched it the first time because I'm
too biased in it, But like, what the hell did
people think when that happened all of a sudden? Because
it looks the same, It looks natural, it looks like, oh,
he's just getting up. I think that's the idea who
was supposed to trick? Yeah? Yeah, but were people like
what the Oh? I'm sure and they're probably really people
(28:11):
who would get mad that they're like, what, he can
just get up and ma walk right right? And then
there were other people who probably were like what this
is amazing? So yeah, I'm sure, but yes, okay, so
this is where your questions come in. Yes, I just
because I really felt for a second of how bamboozled
or like slapped across the face an audience might feel
(28:31):
when you're watching that. But I mean, yeah, the mad
the whole point is is that it does feel like
it's not a dream sequence until it is. And this
isn't the craze of the flash mobs. Right in the
middle of flash mobs being such a huge thing, wedding
proposals and ye marriage proposals and at schools and malls
and it was everywhere. And so we did it, and
(28:51):
Joss had that really cool idea of filming it and
all these different types of cameras and you see that,
you see people actually doing it. It felt real. They
filmed it unreal phones. Like Andrew Mitchell said in that
interview with him, we filmed it on a mall that
had like a fish market right off the bottomore. Yeah,
where we were filming, when we were laying on the floor,
(29:11):
that part we were facing like where the camera was
in front of the fish market. So where I was
performing to was directly into this fish market people were
coming in and out of and it just smelled. It
smelled so bad. And we shot a couple of things
at that mall. Buy that fish market did, and it
was smelly, especially that time. I remember that one especially.
(29:35):
And then your family was there. Yeah, my mom and
my sister happened to be in town or I don't know.
If I coordinated this in advance, I don't know, but
I didn't tell them what we were doing, and I said,
come to this mall we're shooting. It's easier, you know,
to have someone visit when we're on location like that,
because it's a public place. And jes see, and I
(29:56):
remember them when we were filming down on the floor,
you didn't see anything else. They were standing up on
the ledge that you see later on above the escalators, yep.
And I remember right before take looking up and like
waving at them and they're just saying hi. And then
all of a sudden, I do the whole huge dance
number with like eighty billion backup dancers, and after I
(30:18):
look up at them and they're crying. Oh. They were like,
you sign up a big us because they know how
much I love to do that and love to perform
in that way, and so they were just really excited
that I got to do it. And I remember watching
it too. I can tell I'm not confident doing it.
I felt like I was not used to having the
(30:39):
attention or spotlight on me. I remember even showing up
to dance rehearsal. They had a whole because there were
so many dancers, we had a whole different the same
sound stage we used to rehearse in for a jump
to all the mattresses. So we had this gigantic empty
sound stage, all these dancers, and they were all waiting
for me to show up because I was also filming.
And then all of a sudden, staff yeah, and I
was very, very uncomfortable. I was like, I am very
(31:01):
happy being supporting Roland. Yeah, give me my two lines
per episode. I am not used to this. But it
was fun. It was It was so much fun. It's
such a great number and we can talk about that
when we get to the tour. I love that everybody
was in it too. Yes, I just like all the
Glee club was in it, and that was so sweet.
Everyone looks so happy. I don't know if it was acting,
(31:23):
but it was just fun. It was. We were so
happy to that you got to dance. We got to
watch you do that, and we knew how happy you were,
and it was just a big happy black mom yeah,
it was great. Then Artady goes to Emma and shares
(31:48):
the research that her, you know, him and Tina had
found and he's like, when I start walking again, and
there's this kind of magical, hopeful thinking. That's very sad,
and Emma has to kind of take Alreadie back down
to earth and tell him the truth of like what
you know, what the reality truly is. And so that
(32:10):
was really sad. And that leads to Alreadie telling Tina
in a very sweet scene that she should find a
new dance partner. And I remember this scene to Joss
being like this, you should be very quiet, you should
get down on his level. And yeah, it was very
specific with his vision. He wasn't forcing anything, but it
was just very clear. And I remember shooting this and
(32:36):
and then we go into dream a little dream with
Tina and Mike Chang, and this is the beginning of
Tina and Mike chan tell us about your fake tap number,
your soft shoe number. So this is wasn't my big
tap sexy tap number. And it turns really sad. Sad,
She's not sad. I just mean how everybody is acting
(32:56):
in the scene is really sad. Yeah, everybody has their
own story line going on. This is a very true
Colors moment. I guess where everybody's sitting in their little things,
um semi circle. We rehearse this probably one day, on
one short day, I think, maybe twice, and it was
very quick and as Harry's not a tap dancer, No,
(33:17):
but here's a dancer, and he looks better than I
do because my arms are swamping arms the whole time.
It's just very cringey. And that is not my thing,
like I like express my express yourself, that's my thing.
Like this was not my thing at all, partnering being
solo danced. It should have been Heather like me. And
(33:39):
those are my dance shoes though from college and no way, yeah,
that I'm wearing and they're not tap shoes. And Zach
had to go in and in post production and do
the tapping the sound. It was it all Zach. I
was wondering who was doing that. It's all Zack. I
(34:00):
can't imagine how meticulous and draining that must be to
match up the taps to that number. Well, let me
tell you it's very We weren't even nearly doing the
proper tapping anyway, so we really just had to look
like it. But we didn't learn in the actual taps
off shoe number. And it's very simple, basic moves. Anybody
can do it them if I can do them. So
(34:21):
um anyway, that was the Yeah, it was a very
quick thing. And I have these pictures from it that
I can share from Adam Rose, who was our onset photographer,
who's lovely, and I had some of these rehearsals, but
I was like, this is annoying because this looks I know,
I look terrible. I was just really annoyed. But that
(34:44):
beautiful scene, that beautiful shot at the end of you
in the foe, you know, in the foreground, and then
us in the background. It was just really sad. It
was a movie. It was a movie, and and that's it.
So wait, but do you remember the line when you
(35:05):
say I sound like someone put te she's on a
horse and she. I love that line. And I think
you and Harry sold the tap dancing, you know whatever, whatever,
give me swamp hands all day. I love it. So
the only thing that's happening in this episode, there's several
there's like a reveal within a reveal. It's like when
(35:27):
a drag queen takes off a wig and there's another
wig underneath. That's what happens with this storyline. So Jesse
Saint James, who was on the spring break apparently comes
back and encourages Rachel to, you know, find her dream.
What's her dream? She says she wants to find her mom,
(35:47):
but she doesn't know how. She just knows that her
dads have information in the basement. So Jesse's like, then
let's go do it. And so there's this really I
love the scene of of a trill and Jesse going
through things, and then Rachel keeps referring to Patti Lapone
as mother. Well, mother was here on this day. Yes,
(36:09):
that was a very funny little vignett. Yeah, I love that.
And then she also talks about how she has a
theory that her mom is burned at Peter's and like,
you know, I get it. Who wouldn't want them as
your mom. So while this is happening, they find a
tape and there and it says from mom, and Rachel's
(36:31):
like what is this? And she freaks out and she
can't listen to it, even though Jesse's like, you should
do it, and he's like, she was like, no, no,
you need to leave. So then cute I love when
there's like Mistery Shenanigan's happening. It's raining and it's dark,
and it's in a car always, it's always raining in
the car and Jesse comes in the car and who's
(36:54):
there but Shelby. And then we find out that Shelby
because the whole thing with Jesse and Rachel is like,
is this real love? Because in the beginning, where like
everyone in the glee club is fairly certain that Jesse's
up to no good, right, and now it's been weeks
and we've forgotten about it and they do just like
(37:15):
each other. Right. Nope, this whole thing has been a
plan of Shelby's because Shelby directed Jesse to go become friends,
not necessarily become lovers. But Jesse's you know, saying that, well,
he thinks he's starting to actually have feelings for her.
And it also turns out that it's Shelby's dream, even
(37:39):
though she's legally bound to not do this, to somehow
have Rachel find out she's her mother a wig on
a wig A reveal after a reveal, And so what
happens is Jesse goes back to Rachel's and gets her
to play that damn tape. Well, Shelby's very adamant requests
(38:00):
to the d yes, so Rachel listens to the day
and of course we go into some beautiful dream sequence
of I dreamed a dream, and which is pretty stunning.
It was and this too wasn't like the big wavy
um and they do look oddly similar. It's so crazy, um.
(38:23):
And they basing this beautiful duet of I dreamed a Dream.
Rachel says, when they're looking through the boxes, this quote, um,
my first singing competition. I came in first place. And
Jesse says, you were eight months old, and Rachel says,
I was very musically vable. I also like when you're
(38:44):
looking at the sonogram and he says, it looks like
you're in fifth position. And that's that's dream on, folks.
That is dream on. What a fun episode to do.
I also, as an overall creative stylistic note, did this
episode feel darker in terms of like how it was
colored or how it was shot? Like the whole thing
(39:06):
feels darker to me, And I'm wondering if that was
like a Joss decision. Yes, you definitely, definitely looked a
bit a little different, right, yeah yeah, yeah, yet so
Tarty takes Jenna, let's do it. Cringe moments aka Paris
Berkeley out cheese, I don't know I either. Actually weren't
(39:29):
that many cringe moments in this episode for me, except
for in the Brian Ryan storyline. Just the the married
whole Brian Ryan married Sue thing was kind of like
the cringeest thing of the episode, to be honest, I
think that was, um, it's been worse than other episodes.
(39:53):
I think also we can do this with worst Dance Move.
I think Brian Ryan and Will Schuster there sort of
rivalry and competitiveness and singing is cringey in like a
different way, like a funny comedic way, like they're cringey
because they're both like what do you You're both grown
ass men upset about a glee club, Like can you
calm down in a community theater? Yeah, and they're jumping
(40:16):
around this stage like they're like okay on the bron Wood.
I think we should do best dance move, and I
vote safety dance, thank you very much. Would I would agree.
I think some of that soft shoe was very nice.
Jenna hair was really getting on the extension of those
arms in those hands. He was really I know, because
(40:38):
he's a dancer, professional professional. Okay, best song this song?
Um obviously safety Dance. Yeah, Safe Dance. I don't like
that song generally speaking, but it's the sentiment behind the
actual It was really fun to get to do. Yeah,
(41:00):
it was best performance by a prop, Kevin, you think
I'm a prop? Jenna, wait till we get the episode
to the episode props. Oh, yeah, the best performance by
a prop. I think the little tappers on my wheelchair
were pretty great. That's good Shelby's tape to Rachel. That
(41:24):
means I actually did a lot. Yeah, that was an
actual problem. Best lines, best line I think my favorite
line honestly is John Groff saying you look like you're
in fifth position at a sonogram. I gotta say, I
feel like all I want to do is dance, Jenna,
(41:52):
I hate you. Just the wall of CD players as well. Also,
it was like, yeah, let's take out those burned CD
and it in this wall of CD play. Get your
zipber CD case out in your car. Okay, should we
found on TikTok It is the Year of Our Lord
(42:14):
twenty twenty three and somebody's having a Glee Night at
like a proper venue in New York City. I don't understand.
If you go on TikTok, it's Glee Night tour and
they're throwing like a full I think they're gonna be
playing like music videos. It's a full party of all
(42:35):
Glee music in twenty three. What is happening? What is?
I think it's hilarious and great, but I had no
idea this was a thing. But we've been tagged on
Twitter and on TikTok everywhere. Yes, is that a big venue? Yeah,
it's a very popular Like what what? I'm perplexed? Yeah, Also,
(43:01):
like are we invited? What's the deal? What's the plan?
I guess if you go to Glee Knight, send VIDs,
send pics. Didn't happen? Um? Great? Yeah, I think that's great.
There's also a really cute video. So Chris Carmack, who's
co stars with Harry on Craze, took a video of
(43:24):
Harry videoing him dancing just to get his reaction, because
you know, Harry's a professional, as we've learned with that
fake tap dancing, and that's also very cute, and Harry
looks the exact same. He does look he looks younger. Actually.
You know, this was a viral thing though, because they
were it was parents videoing asking their kids to video
(43:47):
them dancing, and but they turned the camera around on them,
so you actually get the kids reactions, which is very
sweet and and very like innocent and young on fun.
And then Harry did it and Harry doesn't look so pleased.
Harry has no christ is dancing. It's wild, you know,
(44:08):
it's very funny. It's very funny, and they look like
having a great time on set. I know we shouldn't
go visit. I would just lose my marbles. That is,
And that's what you really missed for this week. Everyone,
Thank you for joining us, and come back for next
week's recap. Theatricality. It's a good Lady Gaga, the beginning
(44:30):
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