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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up its way up with Angela Yee and we
have a legend and a legend in the making here
with me today. We got Tretch from Naughty by Nature
and we got money X all the way up and listen.
So glad you guys are here, because I'm gonna tell
you I have a pack schedule. But I was like, oh,
they want to come up, I'll come to work early
and let's make this interview happen. I feel like we
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have like history because and you may not even know this,
but when I was young, I lived in Brooklyn. We
moved to Jersey to South Orange, which is very different
than East Orange, but to South Orange. And when I
was in tenth grade, and when I moved there, Naughty
by Nature was like the biggest group on the planet.
And I just remember like it was every house party
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taking over and guys showing up a machetes everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember Boogie Land, Oh my gosh,
pool and everything. I was in Orange right there on
the border.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, right, that was a block away from where my
parents lived. Kg's house. He used to have the cookouts.
We were young. We climbed over the gate. We were
in those parties.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You were sneaking in you bot Brooklyn all with you
the Jersey listen.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I had to walk down the block and then me
and my friends it was like three of us. It's
our girls, so and we would just like go to
the back there was like a little side gate and
hop over the gate and just smooth our clothes out
and then act like we've been there. And I was like,
come on.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Wow, y'all here this see.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I told you see, it gets way up up there.
I tell you, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But it was actually coming from Brooklyn. I had never
really been to Jersey as a kid, so, you know,
people from New York, even though we're right next to
each other, we used to have like this perception that
it was so suburban and it was going to be like,
you know, just beautiful, big mansions.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I cried like for days when we first moved because
it just felt like another planet.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You was over there in the burbs. Yeah, you would
have came down the East Stars ill ted breaking those
like there's a hood here.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh yeah, New York is.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right next door to yeah Newark, East Orange Orange is
right there too. But yeah, so that was a great
time for me as a kid though, because the other
thing about New Jersey is everybody drives, and in New
York we just take the train everywhere, so it was
actually nice to be in cars. That's probably the only
reason I got my license at a young age, and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Half the cause in Jersey it was stolen that we
got it.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
At that time.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
At that time that used to say, didn't you to
tell us do not stop at the red lights, NA
right at night? Just keep going, like, look around, make
sure no cars are coming, and go right through the
red light because you don't know what's going to happen
that far. But I just want to talk about putting
Jersey on the map because money X, you're from Jersey City,
chill Town, chill Town. Now, how long did you know
that you wanted to do music, because that's also a
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lot of pressure being in this family and being Trench's nephew.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Since I was fifteen, I always wanted I love music,
I'm very versatile, do everything and make old genres.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I just knew I could do it, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And so what was the first experience like for you,
like going in the studio to record and is it
intimidating coming from a musical family, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It really started like I've been to I had it emmy,
but I really once once once I get in trouble,
getting locked up and stuff, and then I came home,
I really started to take it serious. And I just
sitting in there, just in the cell, just focusing right
into my path and just you know, paying anything together.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Now, where'd you go to jail for?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I was locked up, you know as a kid robberies
and stuff. But then I just came home. I just
did five years for attempt.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But welcome home, thank you, you know. And now it's
time for you to switch all of that around because
it's too much at stake, you know, but seriously, because
at a certain time, that's what's supposed to happen when
you get locked up, where you say I'm never doing
this again. Let me be serious about what I need
to do so that this doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And we're seeing like when he came home, what he
said he was going to do and switching his life around.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
He stuck to it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
We see a lot come home. They be there for
a minute, finished a probation. Dude right back out there.
He said, I'm sticking to this music doing it everything
he'd done, like I'm being around and tried to mentor
a lot. They fell off and kept doing that, so
I had to disassociate him. He on his dean like
for real and proud of.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Them then, plus being in there locked up during COVID,
it was a lot, so just had time to think,
let's get anything together and just came home and just
got to it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And then you got the song fire Baby that you
did that Tretch is also on. So that's like a
love song.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It's a little bit about well, I'm actually I'm just
this video.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm on the album, on the album I have directed,
I did a little trench Tarantino, So tell tell about.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
The love story, what inspired that or who.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
It's just about as a vib it's a little party vibe,
but it's also about you know, it's just so bad
you fire baby like you just let me just letting
the female know, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Lingo that's the new fire baby like I can't really
say no names out there. You know, we down with opp.
Listen when you think about it, when we go back
and listen to like a huge like mainstream song like Opp.
That was like a hit everywhere. That song is about cheating.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, and they.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Took them a long time to figure it out. They
didn't know what we were talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Even when the song came out, like they started editing songs,
I mean words on the record that wasn't even curses
rhymes with cleanness and meanness, it was what is this song?
By the time they figured it out, and it was
already added everywhere platinum, So it was like, Yo, they
slipped a mickey that they talk about this the whole time.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yep, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Everybody was at the T shirts and listens the Naughty
by Nature store that was? Was that in Newark?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That was in Newark? Man, let me tell you, everybody
wanted the pillowcases that was. That was one of the
first of its kind type of situations. Did anybody else have,
like any other hip hop group have an actual store
before that? Because I remember you had a store later on.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, we'll shout out to what I just got finished
kicking with Ray, he was like, yo, you know you
know he opened a dismissary and k nook so ye story.
He was like, we was watching y'all guys, how y'all
did stuff, But us personally, it was no stores. I
don't think before us we were following at the Public
Enemy because Public Enemy when they came out, they had
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like the gear on the sleeves of the albums, you know,
the cassettes and the albums back then before your time,
it was so they had like the order sheets in there.
So we was like, yo, we gotta get that going on.
So it was slower than we expected, and it was
so much the mand It was like, Yo, just open
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the store and mortar.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean, that's phenomenal to even have the foresight to
do that. Who was running the business then, Okay, yeah,
I still see him running around doing all kinds of business.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Running the merchandise part of the whole thing. So that
was definitely his brain child on that.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And y'all recently reunited again, And why do you and
Benny fall out? Get back and fall out? Like what
is it? Because y'all both individually are so cool.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I can't It's a business. Certain business.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Uh you know, it's like I'm I'm I'm great on
being a team player, but I got respect for everybody
in the individuality. Like event's doing clothing, I'm gonna backet
supported boomboo. I ain't going get in that lane. If
Kate doing production, I'm gonna do that. It's like a
lot of things with Naughty by Nature came. Always was
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like we're gonna vote on it, but it'll be a
two to one.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I'm the one, you know what I'm saying, not the two.
I'm not the two.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So it's like it's like I had to you know,
we cooling everything, but it's just business. It's like we
were just feeling our way to do our own stuff.
One day if you get back, to get back, but
right now we're just doing our individuals.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But y'all did spontaneously hit the stage.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I mean, what happened there? What happened was, you know,
we in the same spot everything else. It was event
for miss Jones and she's seen us there. A lot
of artists was there and they was performing for her.
She said, nor diveld y'all come up here, and it's like, yeah,
we'll get up and grab them make and do that.
And another time it was like played out with Latifa
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when she did rock the Bell.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You can't say, you know that's okay.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
We a mad.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Today money watching everything that happens with the group because
groups are sometimes harder. Partnerships are harder because it's not
just on you. Have you ever said, you know what,
maybe I want to do a group situation or you know,
you want to be so loo.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I mean I always thought about the group situation. I
actually signing Open Coast Entertainment, so, but I always thought
about the group situation. But sometimes it always better, you know,
stay with family and keep it like thathing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
All right, Now, I want to ask you this too,
because I told you I seen Queen Latifah at the
Brooklyn Nest game. It was actually the day after my birthday.
I was excited. I was like, oh she they go,
Queen Latifa. She always got like the coolest, best vibe.
What I love is the fact that I used to
see her like as flavor unit with all these guys,
but she was like a boss.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, you know it was the boss yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Was a really dope thing for me as a young
woman to see that situation. How do you think that affected,
like even some of the decisions that you made or
even how you viewed women seeing having a woman that
was like a boss, because that's kind of a rare
thing in this music business.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
For us, it was like it was a perfect perfect storm.
I knew Latifa before even Naughty by Nature when we
was a new style. First we used saw when I
was a solo artist. Used to always do the local
talent shows and stuff, so always seen out there and
everything else. When what broke it is like they started
flavorwing the management when she.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Came out with Wrath of My Men and all of that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So she was rapping, but they had their own management company,
Hunshot Ca. So it was so just different on a
business level because we knew each other and was friends.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Then came into the business.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
She was like like the head of the charge and
it was like fun to us because it was like
everybody was on lie and everybody knew her, but they
was like, who this girl with these thirty forty.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Homies coming up in here and no, yo, that's Flavor
and that's Jersey boom boom bom bom boom.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
And it was just like Live was always the you know,
the sensible mind of everything we was wilding anything else.
She'll be the one yo yo, y'all gotta chill and
she will teach us the whole game while we're doing
She's not just going to be like I'm managing. She's like, look,
come here, look at his paperwork, Look.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
How this is front.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Come with me here, just in a meeting, just on
a baserse, if it's a dinner, sitting at a table,
and just being a sponge and getting all that knowledge.
So it was never like I'm the boss and y'all
gonna do this and that we was like, yo, she's
dropping jews and teaching us along the way. So she
never was running the flame, you know, like a dictatorship boy,
y'all better do this or y'all can't do that. She
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was like, do y'all, but know it's consequences if you
do things the wrong way, and if you do things
the right way, look at us, you feel.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Me, yeah, because it's being a woman in this business
member walk in the room, they automatically think you're an
assistant or they don't look at you as a boss.
And so for me in the music, she was like
one of the first, one of the early on. You know,
obviously they was like Sugarhill Gang, and but she was
one of the early on, like real like I got.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, female bosses.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
She was there and like I said, She gave everybody
mutual respect and love. So you it never was like
that's our boss, that's our homie, but you knew never
to cross the line. And she was just dropping so
so much knowledge and jews on us. Yo, all hell
of queen she did that. So I just think like
she really was one that opened the doors to show
a lot of females like, oh yeah, you can be
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running your own companies. You can be out here in
this industry and you could do it the right way.
You don't see nobody running around like yo.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
A lot did as we had to go to court.
We had to fight for this. We had to yeo.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I did the business a whole different way than business
was being done lover her.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And she was one of the people that was like,
you need to act also because she was doing her
acting thing early on and you that's how you ended
up thought about acting.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Never she was like, yo, you listen, this hip hop
thing rapping might not last forever. Or you want to
do something else. You gotta do different stuff. You gotta invest,
you gotta boom, you gotta go to this reading. I'm like,
what's a reading? I could read something and.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
She's like, yo, for a movie, I said, movies, I said,
I So.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I was going into readings, not even know nothing about
it at all, but I was there, and just by
chance being there, I right. I met Tupac earlier on
the road with Latifa. They were with Digital Underground. I was,
he was with Digital. I was with Latifa before we
even came out with records. So when we actually done
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with the tour, Pop went in and read for Juice.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I went. He had a background and acting in school
and everything else, so he actually got the role. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But when I knew him, he was like, Yo, I'm
in New York for like two months doing this movie.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Come stay with me. I'm gonna get you in this movie.
An extra. I'm like, word packed up, got me in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
But New Jersey was right there, but you were like,
I'm a just stay No.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Park was like, come state me him at Love would
be there, Big Stretch Rest in Peace from the Live Squad.
Moprim is brother Yaqui Kadafi, his little brother. All in
his hotel room. He wanted his whole like.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Back then its part you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
He had his big main room to be in the
back and we all was sleeping on the floor on
the couch.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
That probably was so much fun. That should have been
now if that was a time when people had cameras
and that would have been a movie.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh my god, what was that like?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
For two months being in there, that was like.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It was like a straight up like a tour bus
with no wheels. You know how you're getting the tour bus.
It's the best thing ever. It ain't no plane, ain't nothing.
They know, it's a whole tour.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You just family, yo, family, You're doing everything up in there.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And then you in New York, right, so you walk
right outside you in the city, we like uptown, downtown Brooklyn,
were going to the everywhere mixtapes, getting stuffed radios in
the hotels.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It was like that time will never be recreated, never never,
you know. Sorry, it's just you know.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, no smartphones no where. Everybody's sitting around on everybody was.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Kicking it with you go out, everybody's on their phone,
like you look up, you.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like, damn, can y'all put you people walking down the
street on their phone into each other.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
People act like they can't live without a phone. Just
think about back then, like what did we do We
didn't have uber. We couldn't order food like that. We
couldn't just caught somebody. You have to leave a message
on a answer two way page.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You have to go to the phone booth, put quarters in,
call somebody, no GPS, y'all get the block without It's like, yo,
we had to figure out way anything else gets.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, we was in a whole different era.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's funny. I remember when when I first moved to Jersey.
Momentarily my dad kicked me out the house, right, but
I didn't know how to get back to New York.
I had to get back to Brooklyn. I didn't know
anybody in New Jersey had just moved there. And I
remember taking going down and like figuring out how to
get on the bus at the bus that goes to
Penn Station.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Oh, you had to go to Your father really threw
you out, No, he really did.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
He was like, you gotta go and so and But
it was cool. But it was like I didn't know,
like we were just going. I was just going places,
not knowing what I was doing. Like people would be like, oh,
I can't believe you did that. That's dangerous. I just
think about as kids, like when we first got our licenses.
We used to drive up and down Central av and
the Peppermint was right there. We were too young to
go in anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But we rob out the spots hot spots.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Always out side And to me, havn't spent that time
in New Jersey. Was It really helped me a lot,
you know, just as far as the culture was, just
even though they're so close to each other, and y'all
had this song Sleeping on Jersey, and I was like,
y'all don't understand, like my friends from New York used
to love to come to Jersey and like experience those things.
Because we didn't have that. We couldn't drive and be
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outside the club at the letout, you know. We had
to take the train everywhere, and it was just a
fun vibe. Just like y'all would meet people pull over,
you know, the guys would always be like, pull over,
let's talk. It was just a different type of situation.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
They needed to pull over anyway because you needed directions, right,
I had a map, but remember.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
There was a white castle, I think it was unfreelanmized.
And the stolen cars, you said, oh yeah, you and
the cops would chase these stolen cars. I mean it
was a wild time, and they.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Used to wait for the cops to come and.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Then and then skirt off, and then they would come
back and drive back around. It was like a show,
and everybody would literally be outside watching this like it
was entertainment. Isn't that crazy? Crazy the things that happened
like growing up.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, if you go the craziest video Naughty by Nature,
the craziest sell we.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Had actual camp quarter of footage of the stolen cars.
One car had a police stolen head. Sovereign put out
the window waiting for the cops to come, and then.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It was a wild time. Yeah, you know, I always
felt like the first album that you guys did, the
Naughty by Nature album, I feel like people need to
list that as one of like the top classic albums
of all time. Appreciate you because that really literally had
no skips. Now I got to ask you money at
your how old are you now? Are you familiar with
like all of this music? Okay? Because I feel like
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sometimes kids, heyod, they hear things for the first time
and they're like, oh, that's dope, Like I never you
heard that?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he from chill Town. So you know
Big Red shout Out, you know, Flavory On. It was
Jersey City apatche Wrestling, So.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Who else was from Jersey City?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
What a r T?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I'll be out, Okay, I mean, uh Lord Alibaski, double
j rest in peace, Uh Joe Button's.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh he's some Jersey City Okay, but yeah, okay, all right,
So y'all got some nice history.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
There, double x posse.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh that's right. I'm not gonna be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
That The Jersey vibes though, are so like I want
to ask you this too, because some of your music
like obviously everything's gonna be all right. I think that
was such an emotional song that a lot of people
connected to and could relate to at this point now
because I don't know, like after that song because in
that song, you know, talking about never knowing your dad
and you know, mother, we can't even say that. But anyway,
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did that ever like spark any you know, meet up
or him trying to reach out or yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I actually met up with him.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Me and my wife did a show, a reality show
called Couple's Therapy, and they ended up researching they heard
the story and everything else and found them and brought
the morning show. So we reconciled all that. Everything else
was getting the minute, the relationship and all, and he
just wanted them cats.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You know, man, he just he flowed.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
He's a float to POPA was a rolling stone and
he's still that type.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
If you can't find me and all that, I'm like, yo, homie,
I done great without you.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Piece of the gods.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right, Yeah, you know, sometimes we don't understand people's stories
until we actually sit down with them. So do you
feel like that was a piece that was missing that
You're grateful that that happened.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, grateful found out everything else man like and like
hip hop, you know, you could really tell true stories.
Ghetto Bassa was a true story. We actually got in
a lot of trouble from the city and all that
and Nork when that video dropped because it showed all
the projects and a lot of people across the world
it's like it's projects in Jersey hoods in Jersey, you
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slipping and they said what is this? So it actually
was a great uh clean up point for the city
as well, because they tore the project down.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Right, it was embarrassed. Oh wow, show like this.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Is really this is what you're doing in the Jersey Yeah,
that's how y'all getting there.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And it wi And you talked about Ray Kwon having
his dispensary in new It Isn't it wild to see
how different downtown downtown Newark it used.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
To look like I rack, it was like a no
go zone. We got the potential center there. Now, hockey
teams down there, shout out to Whole Food.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
You know, it's efficient on every corner.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Every Jersey City the same thing though. You know, I
think after nine eleven a lot of businesses moved to
Jersey City and they really built up, like downtown Jersey
City and the waterfront and all of that. You know.
So talk to me about your upbringing in Jersey City.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I'm born to raise dunkin projects growing up there. It's
going to doing my music when I was started at
fifteen and then out of trouble whatever, but staying focused and.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
From the hood, the hood, telling us front of the project,
the struggle.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
It was hard growing up everything like I just never thought,
I you know, when I came home this time after
losing I was in there, little seven family members doing
during the five years I was incarcerated and I just
being myself, just keep telling myself. I said the only
thing I needed six months. I just need six months.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I ain't coming back shout out dunking she do it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, No, that's good because right now, even being do
you still live in Jersey City. Yes, it's lit. It's
like people are like, I want to move to Jersey City,
and I told you I lived there for a little
while too. I lived downtown though when I first graduated
from college, it was a good halfway mark from you know,
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South Orens and Brooklyn. So I just randomly said, I'm
gonna move to Jersey City because it'll make it easy
for me to go to South Throns, but also easy
for me to go to the city from there.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, they're making like a little mini New York now.
They building in Jernal Square. They got like this little
Hot Rods building. It's got like one hundred floors and
I'll put that in the middle of the Journal Square.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So that's crazy. I haven't been to Journal Square in.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
A minute a hundred stories.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Now, you being on TV and even like doing reality television.
For some reason, I always used to think, like from
you know, younger days, church would be the type of
person that would not ever like put his life out there.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like no, never, never.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What happened the first one, Like I said, a couple's therapy.
You know, been with my wife, We've been together eighteen years.
So I'm like, yo, she is saagarian too bullheaded everything.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I'm like, yo, she like we need therapy.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm like, man, I ain't not paying no why to
go up in there and talk And usually they gonna
take the woman's side and.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
All that, but we're usually right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Done, don don breaking news falls that is flaking fiction,
flagrantly fiction.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You get attacked now. But I said, let me figure
out how we could do this.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So I started, I'm like going to hit my management
at the time and everything. I'm like, yo, boom, I'm
trying to They was like, you know what, you know,
what's a couple's therapy show that you could actually go
on and get paid for it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm like, I get to take what?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And then we was ending up, went to Cali, stayed
in the house with other couples and all that. So
doctor Jim shaha, she did a great job. And so
that was like the first taste of reality, the real reality.
And I was like yeah, to save my relationship, I'll
go and do that.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So your relationship was you feel like like it.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Needed definitely, definitely, And at the end of it it
looked like it was over for us anyway. But we
came home and fix it and all that. Thank God,
we you know, we took it in and all that.
So I was like, Yo, reality shows may be cool.
So that's when oh lord, my daughter came to me
Egypt and it was growing up hip hop with my
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ex wife as a producer.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You it sounds like a setup.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It was, thank you. I didn't have to say it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
So, but I'm like, my daughter's on here, they want
me on here, blah blah blah. Your mother is a producer.
All right, let's go. And then that's when I went
on there. I said, I never do reality show again
unless it's my own situation on the show or I'm
just producing it.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
What about therapy? Do you still continue with therapy or nah?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Nah, I don't. I don't what I did I started.
I knew I had a problem anger management, so I
stawted actually because I was on a roll so much
and everything else and getting books on it. I had
spoke to one person that was a therapist at a
time and just kicked there was a homies uncle just
kicked it with him and he was like, yo, if
you can't do it, try these books and.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Da da da da dada.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I did that and it worked. Work.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
What did you learn from your first marriage that you.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Don't get married?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I mean everything, even if it doesn't work out, it
is a learning experience and you got to learn yourself too,
and things about yourself and things that you want to
do better next time.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I mean me, I think it was more or less.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I learned it wouldn't be compatible for me to marry
somebody or get serious with somebody in the industry that
traveled just like I did, always out boom boom, boom,
boom boom. And I wanted more of a homebody. I
wanted more of a because sometimes some women don't come
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my head. Sometimes when they get out there boss and
they don't boss like Latifa, They boss.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Like a dictator.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
And like I said, James Brown came out, this is
a man's world. It died when he died, so it's
really a woman's world for really many aspects, right, And
they out there running y'all out there, running things, turning
up with the rapping turn whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Business wise, we have.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Different challenges you know that. I think men sometimes wouldn't
understand because you know, how could you how could you
possibly understand what that what that's like?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But what age you learned?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Like yeah, me and my wife we was and I'm
hot at the hottest people at the hot Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Like yo, it sounds like a power couple.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I remember that seeing that and being like, all right,
power couple. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
She was powering her way to put the pull pants up.
She wanted to wear pants and a dress. I'm like, homie, homie, homie, homie, homie,
let's be here, don't you ain't he Hey?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
She talking to me like a dude. I'm like, yea, yeah,
I know you.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
For yeah South sidgea Makan queen shout out sn L
something in London.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's my squad out there.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But she did come to your wedding.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so she was invited.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I tried the men stuff, okay, I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
She kept taking shots and all the rest of that
through the reality show, these books and all.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
This other, Like yo, you seriously you're still selling them?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So does that affect your parenting because sometimes when the
parents don't get along, it affects your relationship.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Like with your daughter, it did, It did because a
lot of things was going on.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I felt like like my daughter was fart of set up,
especially on the show promo when the propaganda her mother
was doing, and it crushed me. And then she got
with this dude she married and that you know.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, that was a real crazy storyline. Yeah are they
still married?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, do you ever communicate with them or him? Or well,
your daughter but not him. That's disappointing to be a
father and not be in agreeance with who your child marries.
That's a hard thing. But she's an adult and has
decisions that she has to make on her.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Own, and that's something else. Like the the reality show
destroyed that because I became a producer as well, so
I would hear stuff and see stuff that was filmed
before would hit the table and like this this homie
said this about me when I'm supporting him and Da
(28:12):
Da da and Bonhoma. Oh you know, maybe if I
wouldn't have seen it, it'd be a different But that's
why I said that reality show stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's real, real reality.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Now, if money X had an opportunity to be on
a reality show. Even with all these warnings.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
He'll be focused because I'll let him know.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
How to how to play the game.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and know.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's a game, and no, don't play the game to
throw the board off the table.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Play and win. You know, the music business is so
different now than when obviously then when you first came
into the game. So what's the plan now for you?
Like because it doesn't have to be sign a deal,
put an album together, promote the album, take a you know,
it's it's so different now, So what is the plan
for money X?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I want to be the all this other I just
want to want to around the world and tonash you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But how does that happen with.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
He's a great listener, so even like if I tell
him Son the same way, he's a sponge. So he's
let me tell you, he's going to get in from clothing.
He's going to get in from whether it's acting or
entrepreneurial anything. He's going to I'm going to show when
you get the first bit of money, invest in some
properties and leg you could tell.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Them yeah yeah she's one, yeah for sure. And especially
there's so many opportunities right there for you Jersey City,
and especially because you're from there too, And I think
the best way for me to start something is doing
it somewhere where I'm from. So I'm very familiar with
what's going on with the value of certain things. But
how but sometimes it's harder to see it because you're
from there. You know, people from the outside it's like, oh,
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this is dope. You might be like, I remember what
this was, but I think it's important. And there's all
kinds of incentives for people who are born somewhere, residents
somewhere to be able to invest.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And what I love, like he always want to go
and let's go here, let's go to the here list
And I love it too because it's more of just
like going to a dinner, going somewhere else. Like before
it used to be like wies you said, I never
have dinner with the president. You want those political connections,
you know what I mean, even if it's the mayor.
You know, like do it all shut out to do
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all the first hip hop counselman and nork and all
of that, like those type of things.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Before we be.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Like, nah, we ain't messing with no politicians. And yes,
you need to all scales of everything. Invest your time
and your efforts in there and your finances to invest
in stuff that's out there that's going to make your
money grow. Where you're not chasing the money, you're setting
up opportunities where the money come to you.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Right. No, that's great advice. You got to have all
of that in order. And when it comes to writing,
what advice do you give because I know have you
written for besides Naughty by Nature, other artists ever, like
goes It.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, easy e, the youngsters, Latifa, you
know it's it's been.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
The wickedest man alive part on that song.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, I wrote like Latifa had it up there and
oh Latifa got some great pen game.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You feel what I'm saying. She's a writer as well.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But in the days wrote some of the stuff A
Pat used to you know, do that as well. But yeah,
he has to tell you like the new era, like
it's a different it's a different it's a different lingo,
it's a different bp ms everything. So what's your right?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
They go, was it congestion prices?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
What's chair? You know?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Money access? Mayo Jay Yah Yah Yah interview.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He come in to lead.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I made O came busting.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Look, oh boy, he had he had to go to
the dentist. That's some more advice to the dentists. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I just had two wisdom teeth pulled from the back
this SI and I'm older than y'all better get I
had all.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Four of my wisdom teeth pull on.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah? How long was you in paying?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Though? It actually was not that bad for me? And
you know what's crazy? When I did it was the
week and we'll talk about this since that we got
started working for eminem was the week I got all
four of my wisdom teeth pulled. And I just remember
we had to go do like this hip hop summit.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
He was looking like Kanye after myf was And you
know what else was bad about it?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
They put this thing in your mouth to hold your
mouth open, and I had cuts right here from this
like metal.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, right right, right right. Yeah. I just feel like
I need to say that I hate playing that game.
I hated they got you on that. I hate it. No,
the besta medicine is not prescribed by the doctor. What
is that dual advil? So that dual advil that's the
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best thing for that. My wisdom to go through.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm surprised you waited that long to get it done
because usually you're calling me old know, I'm saying, because
people newly get their wizard ty pullway.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Now, I didn't have a problem. They said, don't bother
and tell it. But I started feeling some type stuff
going on, and then I had some flights that was.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Coming up in a month.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I said, I got to do this now because I
had an abscence one time thirty thousand feet in the air.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Oh oh no, the air pressure hit. I felt like
I was going to Cali.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And I don't think insurance didn't cover it. No, back then,
you had to pay for let me tell you, I
got mine done for free because I was working for
Eminem and the dentist, the oral surgeon. He just wanted
an autograph picture. I got to did you off that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I wish I was pretty? I wish I was pretty.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
No, I have an autographed Eminem picture. And that's how
I got that's.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
He wanted to get your.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Man come in here, and now you want to.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
That's that k we get together?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yea, Oh my gosh. But you know what y'all do
kind of like remind me of each other personality wise.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, that's that's that game. That is that guy man,
that god.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Man for real, like you know, both ladies like ladies man,
even though I know you're married. But back then church
was known for that because women like that. And then
mano is you know, has that persona too.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I feel like I'm married though. All right, yeah, I
feel it's a feeling.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's what he feels like. But go on talking about
your writing process, because that's what it.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Was, y'all. Y'all, y'all. I had a whole different Yeah,
I just write. I don't know. I just I'll be
in my room whatever.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I'll just be so I put the beat on, I'll
be bouncing all over the place, and like the media
make a song, I just start dropping man stuff down
and I just start pinning together, like my writing just be.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I think, Yeah, I remember you said you write hooks first.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
It depends sometimes, like say I could I could be here,
I jot down now you put it on the phone
before you write it, like a title or a punchline
or a hook, and I have it on the stash.
Or I could start writing a little part of verse
and just write it off air and then sometimes I
hear beat and the beat or write the song.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Okay, you feel what I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Saying, show me about written on your Kitten.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Oh where's my kidd in Cat cat as stroke and
man Hop and She's Out and yeah, that was a
freak booty song. I was real hoarty in them days.
That was the naughty nineties. Baby, I was in my twenties. Yeah,
everybody was throwing in pennies and brawls on stage. I
had to do something for the lady, and ladies was
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buying with a lot of records. Yes see, they come
to the concert screaming.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I say about the game. Now though, from the
nineties to now.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Ain't nobody in the crowd throwing them them panties like that,
like no girdles, not for rappers, no.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
See.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
The best thing about it, like I go on a
lot of the nineties tours and so solout venues and
it's just our area and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Right, it's just a little older, but it's still grew
with rocket and it ain't nobody banging in the crowds.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It used to be like four five fights in the
crowd shooting outside. Chill. It's chill, did that.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Ever affect business for you, because your songs definitely, like
Naughty by Nature was a you know, guard your grill.
There was definitely songs that could be like let's get
it on in the in the audiences.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Nah, the show always went on. It was like brawlAnd
was a part of it. Y'all from Brooklyn, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Are no.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Mop used to perform and that would be Biggie brackets.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Man and bus Man. It just go on. But the
party went on.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It wasn't never stopping nothing, but like it's just a
whole different cool abody coming out to just hit classic.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Music and rock.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I feel like we need to recreate something like maybe
we should ask the woman who bought Kg's house to
have another pool party like y'all used to do back.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
We had one after that you did Yeah one she cool?
She will yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Maybe like an n J Pack situation or something like that,
like let's set it up like I feel like that error,
but that means that you got to do a you know,
another Naughty by Nature back together, and then maybe we
bring out we might could do something the way to
bring out money X and then I'll you know that.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Sounds good, all right, let's do the negotiations.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And I know like you and I know obviously you
and Pack were like this, but he also had his
New Jersey affiliation because he.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Had outlaws outlaws and Outlaws is from where my Claire
moves from, North Jersey.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, it was wild times back then.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I got the road Dogs from La Inglewood. Inglewood.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
See, that was such a connection. I was at a cookout,
barbecue ones and Fato was there at the cookout and
he got into it with somebody and then went and
got in the car and try to run him over
on the front lawn.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, outside the right Yeah, yeah, Atlanta. Yeah, but like I.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Said, y'all wouldn't even understand what it was like. It
was amazing, amazing, but dangerous, dangerous. Oh gosh, all right,
well listen, I know I got to start my show soon,
but I appreciate you both for coming, and I mean it,
that's why I sit it on camera. We're gonna put
something together, like maybe definitely we got to recreate like
some of this that sound good Jersey magic, especially for
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the next generation of people coming up. I like that
South Mountain Reservation. There used to be so many things
that was lit like.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Like it's just you know, we could get with NJ
Soup and Jersey, the biggest promoter out there, and that's
how our sandbox we grew up with the said see
you don't start the will's turning out that man.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Got his new project on that. Yeah, that you needed
to do a solo album and.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It now do I need? I need main? No one
seeing reason?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Why did you never do it back then?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Because I was all a team player, like, I'm like,
it's gonna be Look, I wrote anything, but K and
Vin they got publishing.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You feel what I'm saying, I'm like, this is a
long haul.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
We a squad, and I did like the majority of
the of the verses anyway, so I felt like I'm
getting my solo off in the group. I should have,
you know what I mean, catalog wise, but no regrets
regrets and I could still do it now and I
am doing it and I think I'm even doper.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Now what made you decide now? And I know you
said you want to do this on maybe on Shady
emin Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Right now, it's like, ain't too many signing, ain't nobody signing,
no artists for mine ever, But I think it's because
the labels is out there, don't listen to them, and
don't think we still gott it everything else, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It's like this is the only.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Genre in the world, hip hop, where you gotta get
a certain age and don't do music no more, you
know what I mean. So hopefully I want to prove
it wrong. I got a project with my homie Jay Wes.
We got like a double album worth of stuff with
collaborations with nineties era artists. Okay, crazy big Shout out
the Storm, that's my manager. Yeah, so we're doing some
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shopping right now and everything else, like I said, And
I'm working with money X and a whole lot of
new project like that.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But you out to say before we go where they
can find video.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
You can find me on Instagram at money X Tour one,
I'm all over world Star, Big Box world Star YouTube familiar.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And follow me at Trench Tribe so I can tell
you everything else and show you the promotions on what
we're doing.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I know you have so much going on. I regret
that this is before my show starts, but I will
do it part two and look.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Out for the Jason's lyric play that's coming out it's
coming back the We did New Jack City for two
years now, we're.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Doing Jason Me and All Yeah, Shout on Man, you know,
and Overcoats Entertainment, Reggie.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're hitting the King Theater again in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
All right, we'll be there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Ball