Michelle Buteau: Body Confidence, IVF & No Regrets

Comedian, actress, and best-selling author, Michelle Buteau sits down with Angie Martinez to talk about her break into the standup comedy world, converting her best-selling book of essays into the Netflix series ‘Survival of the Thickest,’ and how she found love organically without using dating apps.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you disappointed that maybe people didn't show up numbers
wise the way they should have.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's a bigger question about society. It's why are we
not showing up for women, women of color, queer people,
fat people, brown and black people.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you
by boost Mobile. Let me introduce you properly. Shit, Yes,
let's get professional. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let's be very serious and professional.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Today's guest has built the career of telling it like
it is. From beauty standards to dating to motherhood. She
has never been afraid to say the quiet part out
loud and make us laugh while she's doing it. She's
carved out a lane that.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Is entirely her own.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
From making history as the first woman to film a
comedy special at Radio City Music Hall, that's right, that's
pretty cool. Thank you so much. To adapting her best
selling essay collection into the hit Netflix series Survival of
the Thing Is, she is now back for her third
and final season.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Please welcome Michelle. Also, I gotta tell you what, It's
not a New York Times bestselling book.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Say best selling book, Yeah, but somebody's best selling book.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
But I love that people think it's the best selling
because it sold pretty well, but it parlayed into something
bigger than I could have imagined. And so that's why
I always tell people, don't do something for a list. Wow,
do it the way you want to do it. The
time when the books came out and it wasn't and
it didn't hit New.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
York Times Bestseller, did you think of that as something
like you didn't achieve a certain.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
No, that it worked for you.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
But in the yeah, and sometimes we want something that
we think is the important thing.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I never I never wanted it, like I didn't mind
if it happened. But I don't like when people put
next like an unrealistic expectation on something that hasn't happened yet.
That's like, I can't wait to have sex. I hope
I have an orgasm. Why don't you just enjoy the
moment instead of worrying about the company.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You have sex and don't have an orgasm. Are you disappointed? No,
because I'll figure out how to get there. But I'm
just happy that I did the act because now sex
for me is more about like mental health than anything. Okay,
we can go down this road today.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Set I got an emotional seatbelt. I know the sound
guy is just like, uh oh, but but I but
I also like, you don't do something for a list,
don't know something for a list, but always get always
have an orgasm, but.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Always have an orgasm. But if you don't know that,
you can still yes and enjoy the enjoy the process.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, your process has been a long one, it has.
I said this to Brittany before we came in, and
I was like, you know, being on your show is
not the first time I met you, and you don't
remember the first time we met. I'm going to remind
you right now, and you're gonna remember. The year was
twenty thirteen. We were Wendy Williams. No, we were both
guests on The Best in Me in twenty thirteen. We

(02:59):
were on some panel talking about god knows what. But
when I think about this number one, I just pulled
out the picture today and my hair is I can't
even believe somebody lead you were the cute, super cutest
you were, I promised, very cute. I can't remember for
the life of me what we talked about, right, but
I remember the feeling at that time me. I was

(03:23):
probably still chasing dreams of like having my own talk show.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I still thought that was something I needed or wanted
at that time.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
That later changed, but that feeling of like and then
seeing you at that stage in your career where you're
like comedians successful, but you could I could feel you
chasing something. Yes, that's the only reason we would both
be there.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, the hunger, the light, the also like you know,
it was a New York show, and I do love
that Bethany opened up her show, her panel to people
that didn't look like her, that had different voices than her,
and that's what made did a really great New York show.
I remember meeting you and I was just like, I
can't believe, like, oh stop, no, truly because you know,

(04:10):
I grew up listening to you, and so you've shaped
like some of my you know, adulthood, my youth going
into adulthood, right, and so I'm just like I can't believe,
Like I really feel like that was kind of like
a little like I made it mark when I started
sitting on stages with people that I admired, So that
was really cool. And I ride for Bethany because I

(04:31):
remember doing her show, didn't have any money, would go
to Macy's to buy blazers and then return them right
after I did the show. And one blazer I wore
it was like a cape blazer and it was cool.
Didn't button you got makeup on it. No, Macy's returns everything,
by the way, even in receipt. And I remember her

(04:53):
saying that that blazer's nice on you. I'm like, it's
one hundred and ten dollars. I can't afford it. And
she's like, you should keep it, and I'm like, Bethany,
I'm not you, I can't afford it. And as I
was packing up to go, one of her assistants gave
me cash out of the petty cash and she said,
Bethany said, displazer looks good on you.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh my god. And the blazer doesn't fit, but I
still have it. So did you return it and still
keep the money? I just want I'm just wondering I
used to have it. It's a sweet story, y know.
Bethany gets a lot of shit because she's like free
with her mouth sometimes and pisses people off sometimes. Yeah,

(05:31):
And as I said to you, when you walk in,
one of the things I admire about you and women
like you, it's comedians especially, you have to have like
created a world where people expect you to say whatever
you want to say. Yeah, And I don't always do that.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm a little more careful.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I care about people's feelings, and I feel like there's
such a I have to be kind of diplomatic, and
I try to be, you know, and sometimes you just
want let them know, one of them motherfuckers. No.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, And I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Not saying I can't or I wouldn't. It's just sometimes
I haven't really created I do create a platform where
I could share and.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Be vulnerable and be honest, try to be honest.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
But when I feel like being petty or talking some shit,
like I don't necessarily feel that would be received too
well because something else is it might be healing, you
might for me and for other for others, for everybody,
because you have to like sometimes you just gotta get
it out now, Like, Look, the good thing about comedy
is I am going to say the thing, but I'm
also going to keep people's feelings in mind.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I think that is the huge difference between punching
up or down. What am I saying it and who
am I saying it about? And what am I saying
it for and also I'm gonna make it funny, which
is like, what a gift. But sometimes you just gotta
say that shit. You gotta let motherfuckers know too.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Have you ever said that ship and regretted it? Uh? Sure? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Not not in a special, Not in a comedy special. No,
by the time we get to the comedy special, I
said what I said. Sometimes I name names, but I'm
a good person, you know, and people make you know,
people make mistakes, okay, you know, But sometimes you just
got to say that ship. Yeah, say that could Sometimes
you just gotta say that ship. If you have a

(07:19):
platform and you can speak up for people that can't
speak up for themselves.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, that I get for sure. And shit, yeah, I'm
talking about the ship that is like, doesn't really help anybody.
That's the ship I don't say.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I like that shit.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's yeah. I'm not necessarily afraid to say some shit
if I think it's for the good and going to
help somebody, right, But just to talk shit and be
petty and be funny, I think, I don't know. I
admire people who do that, who are so free to
just say I really miss Wendy Williams I think Wendy
was the prime example of that. She would say shit
with no regard. Oh probably would hit the hit the ground,

(07:51):
and then have him as a guest on like a
month later and roll the video back.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's like, oh my.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
God, yeah, so funny. If one of one, like truly
a crow one time, legit a crow? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Has anybody ever ran up on you about something you said?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Has that? Has it ever? Ru Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah a few times.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Not a story you want to share today? Not really.
I felt it. I pay attention to vibes.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I felt that she's like, please, God, no, it's not
a good idea.

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(09:48):
you now in your life? Because so man, from that
time that I mention in twenty thirteen, your life changed
so well, the perception of it changed, but it is
you had kids, you got you were married after that
thirteen when you married, I was married twenty ten. Oh wow,
twenty ten. Okay, so you're sixteen years married now. Yes,
you had a hit show. Yeah, a hit show.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, it's not a small thing. I think it's pretty amazing, right, Yeah,
I got to take it in sometimes you do. I do,
because when you're so busy taking these bricks and building
this house of love and opportunity, sometimes you're like, ooh,
my back, my shoulder, huh, and you can't see what
it is. And then all of a sudden, one day

(10:32):
you wake up and it's a beautiful house and everyone's left.
And so now the end of season three feels like
I'm an empty nester. You know, however people describe that
feeling is what I feel like. This has been my
whole life. Like I started coming up with the idea
of writing a book in twenty fifteen, so to see
where it is now and everybody is, you know, happily

(10:54):
and happily on their way. I'm like, this is really nice.
I just need a minute to like take it in.
You know, a hit show one hundred and ninety one countries,
you know, over three hundred million subscribers to Netflix is
not a small thing, and so I have to constantly
take that in. I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Whoo oh, I would imagine like, first of all, even
getting that yeah, and then looking at and thinking about
where you were in twenty thirteen with problems with dreams
of this, right. Yeah, It's like I wondered for you
because when I see people like you who work so
hard for something, There's been things in my life that
I've worked so hard for and then you get it.

(11:36):
For some people, it's the it's the dream. Some people
it's a weird experience because it's like once you achieve
the thing, yeah, that you think, this is the thing
that I'm going to chase my whole life, right, so
this is the thing that's going to make me happy
and I'm going to feel successful. Yeah, And somebody goes, Okay,
here's the thing. Yeah, do you feel things you're supposed

(11:58):
to feel? I feel like, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
What I mean a minute I made. It was when
I went on stage September fourteen, two thousand and one.
That's like the first time I grabbed that mic and
I was like telling some jokes about being bank bonded
and rides at Disney Rides at Disney World. This is
one of my first jokes. Rides at Disney World remind
me of my ex boyfriend three hours of waiting for
a two minute ride. I thought it was a very

(12:22):
good joke. I think it still holds up, you know,
in the pool my finger kind of world. And that
was the moment where I felt like true freedom and
liberation from all the like chapters of my life that
I had to be like I had to straighten my
hair and go to Ann Taylor Loft and have like

(12:44):
a certain amount of money in my bank account and
look for this type of man. And that was like
a thing where I just felt free the minute I
grabbed that mic, And so everything else has been pretty
damn good. Now a TV show to get something greenlit
is like amazing, right, and it's like one idea out

(13:06):
of many that you've pitched, and then for people to
respond to it, it's even better. And you know, the
whole thing is like, well, you just have to keep going.
Then what else? Because people are responding to what you're doing,
which is nice, And what I am doing is being myself,
which is great. You know, there's so many people in

(13:28):
my life that still don't know how to be themselves,
and we're all entering our fifties, and I'm like, when
is it gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Then?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
When you retire and get a hip replacement, is that
when you're gonna start living for you and being yourself?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
You know?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
So like I feel like no matter how tired I am,
or no matter how frustrated I am with like whatever,
it is like I'm still doing me. But also like
when I get wrapped up and like what I don't
have and frustrated about shit, it's just it's just like
patriarchal shit. It's just like I don't have these numbers,

(14:05):
But who says those numbers are important? You didn't reach
these numbers? But look at all the d ms of
the hearts that I've touched. What about those numbers? So
every time I actually do catch myself being upset about something,
it's a made up fucking thing that someone's told me
I should care about and yes, like no one told me,
but I had to realize that for myself. I'm just like,
why is this important again? Why is this important again?

(14:28):
Like I understand you have to make money. Yeah, we
can make money if you promote me. Well, promote me
like you promote all those other you know, little white boys.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Or or I killed my wife mysteries, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh my god, the documentary women, it's like protect women,
just not making any documentaries in what. Don't go on
a cruise, no offense, that's not going a cruise. You
gotta come back. It's crazy. Don't be don't get in
a fight, and then going on cruise then you sure,
Oh my god, get yourself a tracking device or those

(15:05):
aren't worth it.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, oh my god. I'm not a cruise girl. I've
never been a cruise girl. Maybe that's why, Maybe that's
why I subconsciously, yeah, preduct yourself. When you said something
about oh, knowing yourself, getting to know yourself, Yeah, when
did that happen for you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think it's a slow burn for everybody, but for me,
it happened around the people that I really love and trust.
So whether it's a cousin or friends or a teacher,
you know, like I felt like going to an all
white school in Jersey. I learned how to coach switch
at a very young age, like this is what you

(15:41):
do here, is what you do over there with your friends.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
And but the more I was able to like do
whatever I do with my friends like in life, the
more comfortable and successful I became.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
And so.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Even like choosing a partner or a neighborhood or whatever
it is that people don't understand why I'm doing this.
You know, it's like standing ten toes down and being like,
but this makes me happy. So whatever you saw for me, okay,
thank you for thinking of me. But I got to
see for myself now. And so I think, you know,

(16:16):
I don't know what day or like the moment I
arrived to it, but it was like, little by little,
we just have to do us come vibe. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's like, if you're how could you possibly really truly
know yourself if you haven't served yourself. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. If you're like busy making everybody else
happy or living a life you think other people think
is right for you, how could you ever know yourself
if you're always accommodating, that's right, to a version of
yourself that other people see, that's right. It's a really
good way to describe to And you're just like, but

(16:46):
how are they going to receive it? And what are
they going to think?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And won't make them mad? And will they be proud
and happy? It's like, or also use all that energy
to be like, how do I do this the best
way I could do it for me? So stand ten
toes down and what works for you?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, there's something to that that that is the guide
to being confident in yourself and knowing yourself, because then
you could you know what it is. No, I don't
like that, or I do like that, and this is
why and your decisions and your Yeah, and it's important.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Though because it's like not to sound all wooboo, but
I like what it's like sometimes you know what I mean,
But it really is from within because I think a
lot of people put like so much importance on looks
and possessions and like numbers or numbers, you know, do

(17:36):
I have the right body to be accepted? Do I
have the right car, neighborhood partner? You know? Just being
successful could also be just being really happy with yourself. Yes,
you know are you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
M good for you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Like there that doesn't mean that I'm not you know,
I don't want to say second guessing myself, but like
doing things a different way, or I could have done
it this better, I could have done this better, handle
it that way because like you know, you don't know
to you know right, And I think if you're doing
life right, you're like in an experience that you've never

(18:19):
been in before. Because that's nice because then you're like
always learning right. But for the most part, yes, So
when people tell me no or don't get me, then
I realized that I am not for them, and they're
probably not for me. But no matter what, like I
got me, like I know what's good for me.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And you don't, then wait, don't waste your time trying
to serve them at all? Yeah at all good for you.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And that goes for like very immediate family members heard.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You, Okay, what were the things before you became this
person or you had confidence in this person? What were
the things that people wanted from you? I would imagine
what my goodness to do with all types of things,

(19:08):
Like you said, body sad hair. Yeah, I think a
lot of people would be very happy with me if
I wasn't as loud, if I wasn't as vulgar, if
I was thinner, if I had straighter hair, if I
covered up my freckles, if I you know, if I
was just more.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Dainty and demure. But that's not for me. Imagine you
spent your whole life trying to be all of those things.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
How could you be happy?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I couldn't know. It'd be a prison.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know, many people are walking around life in that
prison a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, and I'm glad that they find my show.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yes, Oh god, I can only imagine the responses that
you've gotten. It's pretty great from people. Yeah, it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's like heartfelt, but also jarring that like from people
in their teens to like in their seventies.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
What is it though? What are they saying?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I mean a lot of overall like people not giving
themselves the license to be who they are, want to be,
love who they want to be, you know, finding joy,
happiness a spark. So many women from so many different
countries are like, I'm going to stop wearing black, I'm
gonna try color now. Oh I love that I'm saying yes,

(20:35):
but then it's also like this is the first time
I've left since my daughter died or my husband's cancer
came back. Oh, and especially with this season, people are
you know, this season has resonated with people in a
different way, you know, down to like health care, you know,
and the access to health care, and the shame that

(20:59):
you know, doing IVF for whatever kind of treatment you
need comes with, and that people don't know how to
talk about it and they feel bad that they even
have to. It's so insane and I'm so glad I
chose to tell that story because I also don't like
to live and regret and like, I don't like to

(21:20):
live in regret in like probably a very unhealthy way
where I will order half the menu just so I
can see it, because I don't want food envy, you
know what I mean. I don't want to go home
and think I should have ordered that. So I want
to see what all the appetizers look like. Yeah, I mean,
so I will order two meals because I don't want regret.
I won't I'll take one home, like I'm not gonna like,
you know, it's on a food eating contest, but like

(21:40):
I just have to know. Life is too short. We're
not promised tomorrow. And so these messages of people and
even take IVF out of it, you know, like beautiful
non binary and trans people figure out how to get
access to whatever kind of health care they need, understanding
what it's like pumping their body up hormones and not

(22:01):
feeling like themselves on the journey to being themselves, you know,
doing whatever you have to do that's physically possible to
have the life that you want, you know, that's like,
but still making it funny.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Still making it funny, and still making the characters whole. Yeah,
you know, we were talking about that earlier about the show.
It's like there's been there's been lots of shows and
people who have been public about especially just like you know,
wait and body shaming inside. But I feel like the
way you guys do it is so it's not the

(22:35):
main it's not the headline. Yeah it's in there, yes,
but it's not. It's just part of the story. It's
not necessarily like and it's not done in a way
where it's like condescending. You know. Sometimes people Yes, I
don't know if I'm saying this right, you are.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
No things back to when you're on set, because you
know it's such like a New York moment for to
like go on like a very popular like radio show
podcast and go in the lines then and think it's
gonna be one thing.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I loved coming to that show. Those of you have
not seen my episode. It was two I played. I
played on the Dawn the podcast host, and you were
the guests, and I had the little gotcha moment on
the show. It was so it was so much fun,
and the cast, so many women on sets. Yes, you

(23:27):
could just tell that the love was poured into this
project if you could feel it on set.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh good, I'm so glad you felt that. And I
hated leaving.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I was only there. I was only one there, and
I wasn't like enough right YouTube grit. We were there
and we were like, we want to come back here
every day, and so I can only imagine for you, yeah,
god to be. Was it like that all the time
or did we just have an incredible experience out all
the time since day one? Well? Fun, fun, funny, collaborative.
Everybody there wants to be there, Yes, everybody has your back.

(23:58):
How do we make it better? This is a long
day let's do this together type. It's how do you
create that world, that environment of people that feel that way?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You just you are that way, right, Like like it
starts from the top, and I'm number one on the
call sheet, you know, the co creator of the show
and stirring in it. And so you know, you know
what is that saying, happy wife, happy life? Yeah, I'm
the wife. And yes, we could talk about weight and
fat phobia, transphobia and and all that stuff and like

(24:28):
gender bending fuckery and all that stuff, but like, we
are so much more than our size, We are so
much more than our shape and our shade and all that.
But we are also very much stronger together. And so
I'm like, how do we do it? Like, how do
we address it but still keep it moving? You know,
don't sit in it? And that's the thing about comedy too,

(24:49):
and also like live just a live space. It's timing.
You know, you got to hit it and move on,
you know, hit it and quit it, move on. Why
are we sitting here? Yes, you know, because then you
become you're serving just this one thing. Really, if you're
doing that, you're.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Probably doing it for everyone else because authentically to you, yes,
you're not sitting around thinking about that all night.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm trying to sit and spin on somebody, well my husband,
but still and also like also like, you know, you
have to be confident in what you're saying. Yeah, say
the thing and move on.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
You know. It's like when I.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
First started to stand up, everybody was like, oh, we
got We're gonna switch it up.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now we got a female coming to the stage. That
means a lady.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
It was like, why are you doing this whole biology?
What do we They could tell you, Oh, no, we
gotta move on. You ain't got to say Michelle, you tawe.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
We got a lady, was switch it up. It's like,
just get me on the stage up, say the thing
and move on. The thing's my name, move on, you
know what I mean. So it's like that, It's like,
say the thing and move on. Such a good job
at it. Just speaking of sitting on your husband, you

(26:06):
clearly like sitting on your husband.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
You've made it sixteen years. Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah,
and he's so great, Like, I just love a man
that just loves me down. Holy, lets me sit on
his face.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's so sweet. I like that. That was good, so sweet.
Look sweet I love that for you. I love that
for you. Yeah, I really like him. I like him.

(26:40):
Oh my god, that's the best. You know what's so
fascinating about this to me? Why what you started? Yeah,
this was a one night stand. Yes, this is not
how normally the story goes. See, this is the problem.
You set off false expectations. So then women think, oh,
I'm gonna go have this one night stand. It'll probably
be my hu it's been for sixteen years. Don't think that. Well,

(27:04):
I didn't say all that. I didn't write a book
for it to be like a New York Times bestseller.
I just wrote a book, right, you know, just love
into it.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's whatever it is. I liked a really nice one.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I stand like I like you know, all the love
you put in a relationship or putting one. I stand.
Were you a one nice saying girl? Or was this
like a rare Did my mom ask you to ask that?
She did? She did? She called? Or was this the
first time you'd ever had one and it just so happened?
He was? He was the one, Miss ma'am. Okay, But
I'm just saying, miss ma'am, okay, you've seen the hips.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
They don't lie no, this is yeah, it just so happened.
So yeah, it was like musical chairs, but with dix
and then you saddled the right one and then I won.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Good for you, Thank you so much. What was the thing.
How did you know this was the right chair? I didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I just felt safe and I was forty. Now, you know,
I didn't just wake up one day and say I
am fan of one night stands like I had. I
took life way too seriously when I was younger. I
wanted to wait till I was married to have sex.
And I had like very serious boyfriends in high school

(28:14):
and college that both cheated on me, and I was
like torn up. And in high school it was like
a really good friend, one of my best friends, and
so I was like torn up. And so what I
see my friends going through in their forties and fifties
getting a divorce.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's like what I went through. I was listening to
Anita Baker and all types of stuff at like sixteen seventeen,
I should have had a bob and a cigarette and
being like, you know, I was waiting to exail in
high school.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
It was horrible, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Now on the other side because I kind of like
was Benjamin Button with like dating and so in college,
I also was like, we should get married and I
love you and I have your back and your family's
my family. And then when he cheated on me, I

(29:03):
was like, maybe I just do me. And I didn't
like dating. I like doing stand up. I like working,
I like making money.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I like doing me.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And that's how I met him. Wow, because I didn't
have the expectation of this is a date.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Where are you from, what's your job? What do you
want to do? I felt like I'm a manager on
LinkedIn looking for an employee when I was dating, and
I was like, I want to hang out with my friends,
you know, let loose, order half the menu, get a
little tipsy, talk shit, you know, to work a little
bit of home, you know. And again I love stand
up and I felt like there was no dating is

(29:42):
like a second job. Now you should go out on
dates if that's your thing.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do that.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think you should go out on dates with people
because you have to see how they act in public.
Do they have manners? How do they treat the white staff? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Do they chew like a cow? Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know, problematic, gross, actually gross, like no table manners.
I can't put my face in your crutched.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
You know what's so funny is that I've said this before.
I've thought this before, Like, I don't think people prepare
young people for heartbreak at that level. Yeah, and we
all like, oh, in my high school, I got my
heart broken, and you say it like it's a no
big deal. So if I'm in high school and I
see that, I think, oh, it's no big deal. I
think when it happens to a young person, yeah, so

(30:31):
intensely like that. Yeah, they're not really prepared for it,
and it shapes you. It shapes you.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, because what I remember is life as I knew.
It was completely different.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
The next day. So you were all in.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I was all in.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
You believed the fairy tale or the not fairy tale.
You believe, Yeah, I guess fairy tale.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
But I believed people. I didn't think people could lie
to me. I believe people like he was my Sannah,
Like I believe him, like I also was like converting
to Islam for him, like I believed him. And then
I realized, oh, people can lie. And outside of that,
I realized.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
People lie.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
But that's because they're lying to themselves. They want to
be the version of the person that they want to be,
but don't know how to do it truthfully, and that
means having hard conversations and also maybe not liking yourself
for a little bit. And then I realized after that, like, oh,
this is about you, not me. I have to like

(31:37):
be my most authentic self because if I'm trying to
make you happy, then I'm also lying and I'm like,
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
That experience, though, sometimes could make women not trust again,
or it be hard to jump into a relationship or
a marriage or yes, but you decided to at some
point your husb and I guess convinced you or I mean,
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like it was long distance for a very long time,
for almost two years, and I didn't even know where
Holland was on a map.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
So.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I was like, how do I trust this guy? I
don't even know how to say his name, Like you know,
I'm like, fly, we're doing long distance. And Holland is
also very different too, because like you know, it's not
as like there is not as how do I describe
it like sexual there, Like there isn't this emphasis on
like sexuality, yes, and misogyny and stuff, so like even

(32:34):
the spas are co ed, like bodies are just bodies
and people are just like friends with people, and I'm like,
you're you are friends with your exit. That's weird. But
it's a smaller country and so you just gotta know
who you gonna know. And I'm like, okay, so it
took me a long time to like fully trust him,
but bigger picture, like the process of giving your heart

(32:57):
to someone, but I'm glad I did because it worked out.
You know, there was a choice where I was like,
I could be upset about all this, but I know
I'm amazing, So why am I feeding into this like
jealousy bullshit? And I don't want to be jealous. That's
like road rage is such a wasted emotion and it's

(33:17):
like for what and for who and at some moment
and looking in his eyes and believing him and knowing
how I felt about him, I'm like, jealousy really doesn't
serve me. And it's really like a thing that happens
when people haven't realized their power yet. And I'm like, bitch,
realize your power. Like you guys are good together. Oh,

(33:40):
you know. Yes, it's important.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's important to naming the bad stuff, Like, maybe should
just make a story about this. I feel like this
could be like your next show. No give him the
stuff to do does not show in time?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
All right, okay, you have nothing? You have a plan
after the show? No, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
You don't, I don't when the show is over, I
don't know the show is over, right, But you're still
promoting it. You're still in, You're still yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm still definitely like connected and yeah, yeah, promoting it,
but I don't usually I have a follow up right away.
But this took so much out of me, especially like
directing a very personal episode that I'm I've decided to
give myself time to enjoy and also rest and heal

(34:34):
from this whole process. Good for you, yeah, because jumping
into like very dark traumatic moments in your life for
art can be dangerous. And kim Win, one of my directors,
you know, she was like, be careful because once you
hit that other side sometimes it's hard to like come back.

(34:55):
And so I remember that going in, and when I
tapped into it, I was like, oh, I get it,
because for three days I was just crying. Wow, and
I would be ordering my lunch.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm like aspectus and generous, but everyone's like, okay, got it, Okay, Yeah,
I don't know what this is the personal thing. I
don't even know if I need to talk about it,
but I will share this because you just said it
to me. I just had an experience, and now I
understand why based on what you just told me.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I didn't know what was happening to me. So I
did a documentary like a year ago.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It was my first directing, my first thing, and my friend,
the person I directed was a friend of mine, and
he was telling me about this experience of making this
song he made Brooklyn's Finus Jason Clark Clark Kent DJ
Clark Kent. Right. So I'm working on a documentary with
him for like a year directing it, and he's telling
me about the making of Brooklyn's Finance, bringing jay Z

(35:49):
and Biggie in and the day he did this and
the how he tricked them to be in the studio together.
So I could I actually, I'm now realizing what happens
to me. I took I had it inside me, the story,
overtelling the story so many times that I almost could
see it. I can almost be present in the making
of it. So then the other day I'm at the

(36:10):
Jay Z concert and he's playing Brooklyn's Finance, and I
could feel something coming up, and I'm like, what is this?
Like what he's been He's been gone for a little
while now, you know, I've cried about it, I've been fine,
And so I could feel it coming up and I
realized I was seeing it the way I would imagine
he would see it, because it was like inside of me, right,
And so I was having that feeling and then Jay says,

(36:34):
shout out to a rest in peace DJ Clarkett, and
he said that, and I I just like lost it
and I couldn't figure out why. It was just I
was so emotional and I couldn't figure it. And now
you just explained to me what was happening. It's because
I ingested something that sits now inside of me. Yes,
And then in that moment it kind of came back up.

(36:56):
And so I could only imagine for you, in directing
an episode of IVF and having all the emotions inside
of you already. Yeah, it's like you're re ingesting it
in a way. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Does that what you're happening into that?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yes, interesting. Yeah, I'd never experienced that before. So and
I didn't even know that that's what I was experiencing
until you just explained it to me.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, And I didn't know until it happened to me.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
So what what? What was the did you? So? Why
did you decide? Was it just because you know you
had been through that and decided to direct that specific episode.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, we were telling a story about IVF and you know,
and we were trying to like figure out timeline and
what is useful and serves the story and what's important
and honoring the story. And one day, like like months
and months in like we have good stories already like
lined up. I I just told everyone, like my writer

(37:55):
my writer's room. I'm like, it can't just all be good.
It can't just all be like shots. It's not that
like some heavy shit goes on. You know, your eggs
aren't viable, you don't have a heartbeat, you are completely

(38:15):
in like just insanely anxious for each appointment because you're
just waiting for bad news, you know. So I'm like,
there's got to be some of that in there in
order for it to feel like a real story, and
I'm like, I realized we're doing a comedy. Okay, it
will be funny, but the funny will be the relief,

(38:38):
the release you feel after putting your body through that.
And I did so much of it for so long
and still maintained to have like a career as happy clown.
So I'm like, let's just do it. We can do it.
We just have to figure it out. And so we
cracked the We cracked the code. I can't believe we
did it, but everybody was like really cool and vulnerable

(38:59):
and to share and like even like put in other
people's stories and like figure out how we can like
just mind the material to have it make sense. But
ultimately it was the things that I went through, and
I thought nobody else could direct me but me, especially
through this process, because even if somebody had four losses

(39:22):
in five years and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent,
their experience will be different than mine. So I chose
the hot seat, and I'm glad I and I'm glad
I did because now I know I already knew I
could do hard things, but like other hard things, you know,
and now I know I can go into I can

(39:48):
go on a set and direct someone because I know
what I needed for myself and I was able to
do that, And yeah, and I would love to do
that for someone. Mmm, would that?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah? What do you say to somebody who's about to
go on an IVF journey or somebody maybe that's supporting
someone who was in the midst of that.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, like what should we know? I mean if you
are going through an IVF journey or about to go
through one. My friend Jordan Carlos told me this when
my surrogate was pregnant and it was like still high
risk and all stuff, and he goes, you know, Michelle,

(40:32):
sometimes you can have a happy ending. And so I
really held on to that because the happy ending might
not look like how you want it to be, but
it's still good. So hold on to the positive parts,
you know. And for someone who knows someone going through it,

(40:53):
I mean, all you have to do is show up
and say, okay, are you okay? I'm here for you.
You don't have to like explain or fix or overstand
or like have an article or a link and tell
them what they should and shouldn't be doing. Eat less
of this, more of that. You don't have to do.

(41:14):
You don't have to do that. She you don't have
to be doctor oz. He ain't even a doctor. Oh no,
oh no, she said what she said, what she said.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Said it was funny, right, but yeah, just be there.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Are you okay? Can I take you out for a sandwich?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's it?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Where the days you were not okay?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
One hundred one. I have never experienced that, so I
don't I could understand you, but not I don't, you know,
I don't know what that process is like.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
So it's a shit show because you're made to feel
guilty for having a family in this alternative way that
is not supported by healthcare. It is a little bit
better now, but the fact that we don't have access
to IVF in the way that we should. We don't

(42:05):
have access to like basic health care. The fact that
we don't even have access to like like the most
basic human needs is just like so insane to me.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
But then a.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Lot of people don't know about it, and so there's
like conversations that you can't have because then you're gonna
have to explain stuff to someone that you don't fully
know how to explain and they can't take in. You know,
there's already shame in saying that you want a kid
or that you don't want a kid, you know, instead
of just like, whatever you want, I want that for you,
you know.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Right, the basics, the basics. Yeah, and then it's just
like you're too old or you're too young, or you
should lose weight, you should like not work as much,
and you know, and then there's like the the feelings
of shooting yourself up with hormones and not realizing that,
Like you're doing a fun.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Scene with Gene is it Gina Rodriguez? Is that her name?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, yes, and yeah the version y.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I did a movie with her. I was in a
scene with her. I don't remember the name of the movie.
It was hilarious. How do you do a movie and
don't remember the name? That's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I know. I had fun because you've done so much. Look,
it just goes through a day. Do you like it? Perfect?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But it was supposed to be one scene, like four lines,
and then we ended up improving this whole thing. I
was hopped up in hormones. I think I was like
probably experienced the miscarriage at the time, and at one point,
like her boyfriend breaks up with her. I start crying
because the hormones are there, but the jokes are there too,
And then she starts reacting to me crying.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I'm like, why break up with you? With them big
ass teeth chomping on his date? Why he don't want that?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
And she's like gro what? And I was like gro
by and we had a toime. But like there's also
like leaving that set feeling nuts, like what just happened?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
What just happened? That's that's how I felt that the
jay Z concert really yeah, because I was crying in
this I'm in them with the terror squad in the
bo vip suite and everybody's just drinking duce and a
space and having a good time. When a jay Z
concert and I'm like crying.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It was terrible, but it's emotional. I know, HU cry
now And it's history, yeah, you know, And it's like
also like it's also remembering of like what that time was,
Like that was a good time, you know for sure.
So that's how you felt when you left the set.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
You were like what was going on with me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like I remember, like my husband made a sandwich and
he left crumbs on the kitchen counter. And I started crying.
I was like, I can't live like this. I might
need a divorce. I'm like, you don't think about me,
you know? And he was like, or is it the hormones.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm like, oh, I like him so much? Yeah, I'm
a good guy.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
He's a pretty good guy.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
That's pretty good. I know. Did he say it that calm? Yeah,
he did. My type of person.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, he's a virgo. So these earth signs be keeping me.
That's so good. Yeah, you said something before. What did
you call it? The comic?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
What did you call it?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Called it a comic?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
What you do? It's like you just said it like
a couple of minutes ago. God, I should have wrote
it down. Oh my gosh, what did I say?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I don't get me started. It was like the comic face,
So the comic I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
This is what.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I don't remember what movies.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Like you like possessed like you just say things. I
don't remember what movies I'm in. It gave me a
sense that you had an idea about like how comedy
you people use comedy as like a shield. It's like
a oh, like to be guarded, no, like to cover
up like you're being funny. Oh did I misread something
you said? Totally? I don't know. I really do be

(45:57):
forgetting stuff like do you ever and be like the
two of us together just you don't even know what
you said. I can't remember that questions we're crying, We're
only here crying. Oh shit, it's stupid. It's just so dumb.
I don't think. God, I we're an adult typo. How

(46:20):
are you doing with age? You know what? Because you're
about to be what forty nine? I think I'm doing okay,
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
My body's just like I hope this person doesn't like
this chair because you're about to sneeze.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
The ruin it.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
But other than that, like I don't remember most things
like where I just was and what I just said.
But other than that, but I do feel the need
to like be as healthy as possible.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I think something happens.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
When you're an older parent, Like my kids are seven,
and I want them to get older.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
But the happy place is.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Like I don't want to get older. I don't want
to get older to like hold on to youth or whatever.
I just want to be there for them all the time.
So that's like the main thing about aging that I'm
like anxious about. I just want to be there for
the health of it all. Yeah, I want to be
there for them. I want to know how their day
was and smell them and hold them and just have
them tell me whatever story they want to tell me,

(47:12):
or look to just completely ignore.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Me in a room. And I'm fine with that. Are
you obsessed with your child upset? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I might be like, I'm yeah. Whatever you think of,
like neurodivergent people doing, That's how I am with my kids.
I'm like, ah, Like I just love to clean their
ears and clip their toenails and braid their hair. Do
you so great?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Do you? I wonder sometimes like my girlfriend Adrian, you
know Adrian how and she used to be on the rail. Yeah,
she also had IVF and then wind up having a surrogate.
Oh the way she loves on her son. Yeah, it's
because she wanted. I mean, she's she's just a good soul,
you know she she would have probably been a great
mother anyway. But something about wanting children and working so

(47:57):
hard to be a mother. Yeah, the way motherhood hits
I think it's a little different. Not to say, well,
there's all I love my kids to death too. But
I'm just saying I notice in friends who have really
had a difficult time getting there, yeah, that you experience
your kids in it. I don't know. I think you do.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I think that's right. I think there's like there's a
thing that happened when I first brought them home, or
like not even brought them home, but like out in
public where I didn't know because everyone wants to know
your birth story, like right away twins had it, and
you're like, it's very jarring because it's like do you
tell people your story? It felt like it could have

(48:37):
gone into imposter syndrome for a minute because I'm like,
these are my kids. But but again, because of who
I am, and I have to remind myself of how
I live being in a new situation now in my life,
in a new chapter, this is who I am, this
is what happened. And I realized sharing my truth not
only will educate but also probably help someone being there.

(49:00):
So I'm just like, this is what it is, and
this is how they came to be. But there was
a moment too where I was like, am I doing
the most at motherhood? Because I didn't carry them? And
now that there's seven and I'm still running myself.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Ragged, doing the most, doing the most. I'm like, oh,
this is who I ye know. It's just like sometimes
I just like to make sweet potato waffles from scratch
when I got to be somewhere at eight am, and
I'll wake up at six am to do it. This
is who I am. I want to make sure they
eat good, but just know that that might change. There's seven,
but when they're sixteen, you might not be in that

(49:40):
phase of life. You might be like one hundred. What's
the math? When they're sixteen? How old am I? Uh?
What are you? In nine years? You're gonna be fifty eight? No, yeah, yeah,
fifty eight fifty.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I'll be on my like hollyberry shit and I have
to like use like a spray to still get wet.
And I'll be boogie ubrals and a captain, you know,
getting my hair wet, jumping off of boats like Beyonce
and or Gabriel Union, and I'll have like a really
nice skincare line, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I think my feet will still be sucked up. Just
you know, ther vision for yourself is so clear, Thank
you so much. Yeah, I just want soft feet.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I don't even need soft life any soft feet and
a wet and a wet vagina soft feet, you know,
hard money, wet pussy soft life.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Okay, you want to You're like, It's like when I
get my mom likes She's like you like it? I
love it?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Since mm, that's it, That's what I want for myself.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
How about that, halle Berry? Huh? How about it? How
about if not as because you talked about the allointments
and stuff, but she also has a gadget that is
some type of red light. Have you seen this? Yes,
I don't know if I need don't it. I'm not
saying you need it. I'm fascinated. Okay, what if you
were saying that? I heard? So I heard. By the

(51:15):
way we have I r L wh so like we
don't get a lot of oxygen down there, So I
guess the red light?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
What do you mean? What? What? What is wrong with us?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
It doesn't get aired out a lot? Okay, so I'm
sure the red light makes it feel like it's got
some warmth on there is that is that?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Is that? Look?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I'm not doctor Oz, but I will say, I don't
even play one on TV, although I did play orthopedic surgeon,
did you? I did in First Wives Club. I don't
know how to spelt worthopedic, like what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
What are we doing? It was probably in the script
it was.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Beatt plush, probably shout out you have your past word.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
More water? You can't we have we have unlimited supply water.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
You guys got the good budget water and on crustables
there they're like, go outside, Yeah, you have to what
for yours because there's no sun down there?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right? Is that right? Yeah? No, No, it's important to
Factestetician No serious, can somebody chat GPT it? It stimulates
my andria minochandria which DC, thank yous, avatar, thank you

(52:47):
so much, anaconda vagina, it's it's stimulates. I'm so sorry. No,
you've opened so many questions. I have so many follow
up questions about oxygen and do we get enough oxygen?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Brittany says, they're women who, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
You have to sunbathe with theirs open.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Well, if you have like a colation down there, like
sometimes it gets a little purple or like dark brown
or black, is because it doesn't get enough sun.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Oh it is something I've never considered.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I've learned so much from you today.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I could talk.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I could just talk about bodies all day, like really,
we're fast, it's fascinating, and we don't know anything about
our body until something goes wrong. Oh my god, you
know more about our car than our bodies, and our
bodies are like fucking amazing. So that's why I'm just
like celebrate. And also no, no, it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yes, you know, are you like a naked person, like
do you enjoy being naked? You got it?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You are her, you got it. You picked it up
right away stead of Roger, your camera guy, he's like
a bitch, we're the naked family.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Are you sunbathing your vagina for oxygen?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
No, I mean no, not with all the fruit flies
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Just kidding, but like will, I will never under say that.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I'm so sorry, but yeah, I just like to be freak.
I would ever consider that. Now you've put fruit flies
into the equation. I'm so sorry. I was doing Bebby
Smith's podcast in ben and it was in Miami and
there were fruit flies down there, and I was like,
I'm sorry, and she's like, it's the neck.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
To Darling, it's a sweet neck doll. And I was like, thanks, Bebby,
Wow what hype woman. But anyway, yeah, I like to
be a little free because you know what it is too.
I always had a like like I've had this body.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It was bigger when I was like eleven or twelve,
and so I always had to like be under a
male gaze, like stand up straight, not too straight?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Where bra you know? Do this? Do that?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Like button down shirt, button down shirts and Catholic school
my whole life. And now I'm like, I'm free. I'm
just free to be who I want, how I want,
And this is how I'm comfortable. I still put on
clothes when people come over. You put them only when
people come over, yes, And when they're not there, it's off.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
It's off, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And the wonder Woll in my house is like, we
have to wear clothes at the dinner table, like we
can't all Winnie the poet.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
At dinner? Have we lunch? You know, yes, lunch? What
kind of question is that? Such?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Wait asked, what are the quests? You have?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
All the cards?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It was on the card I want to if you
were clothing for like, really, yes, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Why would that be in the car? Why would I
even know that we were going to go? Heree, This
whole conversation is not unexpected. It's taking so many unexpected turns,
just like the Jersey Turnpike. She is a Jersey girl.
We did have a Jersey card that we didn't get
to today.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Oh my goodness, what is it?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
It's just a background.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And you come from where you come from, growing up
in Jersey and you have your parents are Jamaican and Haitian,
which is amazing because isn't there like a there's always
something something right. It's like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans and
Jamaican and Haitians, Dominicans, Dominicans and Jamaicans too. I grew

(56:20):
up with a lot Jamaicans. Always felt like one thinks
they're better than the other.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Always yeah, you know, Cuba, it's all coolbia Venezuela, it's
all but you know, same at the end of the day,
we're all just like beautiful souls trying to figure out
how to do life.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Word, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, but that's a lot of Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's a lot of Caribbean in the home, it is,
how is that navigating your choices like who I want
to date, what I want to look like, what I
want to do for a career, any old school Haitian
Jamaican ideas that kind of went against any of that?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Or are your parents pretty liberal and modern? But a
great question.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I feel like they were. They were strict, they were religious,
they were conservative, but they also weren't like our families
are so big that everybody was sort of like making
the right and the wrong choices. So by the time
it got to me and they realized I was who
I was, They're like, just be a good person. Don't

(57:30):
get pregnant in high school.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Just you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
They're like, because I was always like in a small class.
I didn't even realize I was like dyslexic till later
in life and and you know, probably have add hello
and so they were just like, just be a good person.
We want the best for you. But you know, and
I feel like by the time they got to me,
they're like, it's not going to be a doctor, it's

(57:53):
not gonna be a lawyer. She can't remember anything.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Did they think you were funny. Yeah, is it always
taken well?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So no, No, my funny to them sometimes was just
like very American, but my funny to my friends was
like very Caribbean. So that's the great thing about being
first generation, like you're just you really do have the
best of both worlds.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
And so.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
While when we went to Jamaica it was like be free,
b you be proud of your body, while we were
in America, it's like, you know again, straighten your hair
like iron your shir like you know, you have to
like go along to get along, assimilate. You don't have
to tell everybody where your parents are from. You know,

(58:41):
we're from here. And so you know, now realizing how
my dad was about being Haitian coming here in the
sixties and what's going on with Ice, I realized why
he was the.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Way he was.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
You know, what do you mean, like careful or trying
to blend the trying to stimilate or yeah, like not
giving people too much information about you that they can
hold against you, you know, not Yeah, not being as
like freeing spaces as you could have been because of
the government. I always thought he was paranoid, but this

(59:24):
is the time he was talking about It's like he
knew yeah, yeah, yeah, fascinating right. Yeah, but I wouldn't
change it for the like I wouldn't change it for
the world. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I mean because I like good food in your house.
My god, oh very My dad was a cook. He
was he was a cook.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, And I'm looking at my kids now, like they
can't even make a sandwich. I'm like I was cut
and chicken up when I was when I was their age,
when I was seven. Yeah, I was laying my clothes
out at five, making my breakfast and it.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Was a different world. It really is on the subway
at seven by myself, like a crazy child, and I
really ain't even Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Does that make my mother sound like a bad parent.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
No, Well, because we all were and we were going
to school. So I was on the bus, on the
train and the bus or walking Careah, well maybe eight.
I was eight when I used to go by myselok
at that it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Were so independent. Meanwhile, I'm like chasing my kids around
with the water bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
What am I doing? Said? Water? By Drason station? Did
you were like you were doing connections? You were like
giving people directions. I had to sit in the near
the conductor that was my one Oh, that was my
one direction. Sit near the conductor case anything goes wrong.
Huh No, I would. I would sit next to the conductor.

(01:00:33):
I would feel safe. I would think the conductor who
didn't know me, but I just I was like fake security.
Yeah he didn't know. You know, the conductors never know.
But when you were young, that's what our parents used
to say. No, you're from Jersey, so probably different than
being in the city, right, Like, yeah, I'd be like,
sit near the conductor. I did the city, ED.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Did the city. I did Long Island. I just I
did a lot of it was growing up in Jersey
was like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
It was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I wish it was less aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Because by the time I went to college in Miami,
I'm like, who were fighting tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
And everyone's like, nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Calmed down, Vammitch sequin shirt stop. I'm like, wait, fight nobody.
So I'm so like, you know, I'm thankful for a
lot of things. Well, like, no way, I used to
fight that much. We had to get to our irol questions.
But I have to ask you no Way before we do.
I just have to ask you this, are you are
you disappointed that maybe people didn't show up numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Wise the way they should have for this spot for
the show. That's a really good question because it's it's
a bigger question about society.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It's why are we not showing up for women, women
of color, queer people, fat people, brown and black people.
It isn't just showing up for my comedy show. It's
showing up for people trying to get their papers in
order for ice or like you know, for immigration and
still being detained and sometimes killed by ice. Do you

(01:02:03):
know what I mean? It's showing up for marginalized communities,
And so what do I expect?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
What did I expect?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It's really hard to crack, you know, the code. That's
why you have to celebrate the Quintas and everybody else,
because it's really hard. Because I and I'm saying this
as the most positive person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I was like, you're the glasses half full girl, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
But I also have to be realistic in what society
did these norms tell us and show us we have
to show up for we have to show up for
each other, and we have to respect each other. But
like there's so many levels of like disrespect on just
even comedy and female comedy. There's the reason why you're
never gonna see Best Picture at the Oscars that's not

(01:02:49):
only a comedy, but you know, probably with a bunch
of black people, unless it's like pain porn. There's like,
there's just a bigger picture that doesn't have to do
with me. But I'm just gonna do my best to
do what I do, and so do. I wish the
numbers were like astronomical, just so I could say to like,

(01:03:09):
you know, capitalism essentially, look at this, it matters, we matter,
and now you can see because of the money. Yes,
but the truth of the matter is a lot of
people probably can't afford these platforms, or they just don't
know about it because they're working, or it doesn't show
up in their algorithm, because that doesn't serve the advertising,

(01:03:30):
because everyone's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Like, who's this show for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
If people don't et there's I remember Glad came to
set for Peppermint's wedding episode in season two and shared
some wild facts about trans people, and one of them
was people in America, most people believe that they've seen
a ghost before a trans person.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
So yes, But so all this to say, the bigger
picture is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
What we were saying about us, you know, the respect
and the support we get as marginalized communities, like essentially.
So wow, yeah, I don't remember the question at this point,
I really went awful one or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Were you disappointed that, oh yes, that people didn't show
up in a bigger way?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But I feel yeah, and I feel like the people
that needed it did show up, Like I can't. You
can't compete with like people who literally are pouring their
hearts out in DMS messages and letters to you of
how this show say not only saved them, but like
change how they saw themselves and people in the world.
So I'm like, oh, job, will, dumbitch, you did it,

(01:04:41):
you know what I mean? Yeah, And we had a
good time off set, and we didn't trauma bond.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah, you know everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I know, everybody told their therapists they had a good time. Okay,
I mean we didn't have any avocados, but other than that,
the guacamolea that government tub did as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Well done, then thank you so much. We'll then very
well done. Well look here, so that now that you're
moving forward, I know you're taking a break right now,
a little break. I said that, Well, I'm taking like
a mental like well not not that is what you
said to me, I know, but not like a break
where like don't call me, I'm not available, all right,
call me, I'm available for you still have something set

(01:05:22):
up right yet like kind of put maybe you got
a little maybe got little seeds. Okay, you got seeds.
But yes, I'm not like there is always wonder if
you go into it differently based on where this landed
in the world. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's exciting,
you know. I wrote a couple of things that I'm
trying to see where they go. But like you know,

(01:05:48):
I can't wait to see me too, Like I don't
kind of how everybody shows up the way they're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
For it, thank you? I mean August twenty first, I
don't know when this rash. August twenty first, have a
movie coming out called Spot Weekend Elizabeth Leslie Man, Anna
Faris and Isla Fisher, and that's really fun because it
is giving Mount rushmore comedy. Is there a reason that
you say comedy so aggressively.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
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those questions? Those were most of those were my IRL
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Boost Unlimited plan. Well, first, we have a voice note.
This is presented by Boost Mobiles. Is a segment where
somebody calls in or sends a message or I don't
know what it is. Sometimes it's a comment. Sometimes it's
a question. Okay, what do we got from Michelle today?
So what's your name?

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Where you came from?

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Hey? Michelle?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
So fat girls.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
The movie with Monique was such a rare example of
a plus sized black woman getting to be funny, romantic
and fully realized on screen. Survival of the Thickest feels
like it's building on that legacy. Was Monique or that
film and inspiration for you at all?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Oh my god? I want to say yes, but no,
I want to say but no. It wasn't like Monique
is always like Monique is always like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
She's in the Zeigeist for me for sure. And it
wasn't just that movie, like Monique is that bitch, you know,
like the talk show, the movies, the stand up specials,
the multi hyphen it, the loving yourself no matter what.
So it wasn't necessarily that movie. It was just Monique
in fact, like the mo the m Apostrophe, because there's

(01:08:27):
more of her, like I put that in the show,
like moment that's like episode one, season one, you know,
when Khalil asked, Mavis, don't you always say think girls
I have in a moment, She's like moment like m Apostrophe.
You know so yes in that part, yes that you know,
yes Monique there, but no not necessarily the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Sure you don't have to apologize for your truth. That's
when I don't never mind if you took that move.
You told us that today. All right, now we have
an IRL ball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Go into the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Oh there's some meaningful in real life questions. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Uh so pick up question. Oh look at y'all be
printing stuff and cutting it out. Yeah, we have a crap.
We have ll arts graph department.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Oh my god. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
If you could instantly master any skill, what would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Quefing? Okay, see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You think that's right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Can't It's like would what would mastering that entail? Good question?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't know, but if you were mastering it, you
would know. I guess it's like direction of air.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Oh, like like target targeting. Maybe carry on the next question.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
If God were to text you right now, what would
it say?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
It's text? Oh okay, that's my favorite question of the ball.
Really it seems light, but try to answer it and
see what happens for you. If you got a text
message from God, yeah, what would it say to you?
It would say something along the lines of keep going.
You're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
That's pretty good. I think it's pretty good too. That's
often what she tells me. What's something you used to
be embarrassed about that you own now? Oh my goodness,
my body for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I thought you were never I thought you were always.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
No, I'm no, You're not born that way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
You just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I mean, I guess I don't think we're born with insecurities,
but people put them on you, and I'm like, this
is weird. I thought I was doing good, and I
was like, oh, I guess I'm I never saw myself
in magazines were chiev each like, so I didn't know,
and so I would cover up and be like, I
guess I'm not doing this. But man, the moment I

(01:10:47):
found like a halter top or a tank top or
like a thing or you know, when I just started
to do me a little bit more, I'm like, this
is good. Why would it be anything else? You know,
And also like getting out of my mind of like
am I not enough for him to be with me?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
That sucked.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
But the minute I was like, you're welcome to this
body because it's amazing orgasm. Who knew?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
This is great? I know I'm just gonna do like
a for every woman, no matter the size, because if
it's not weight, it's the your hips or your brooding proportion,
or it's short. Yeah. Well, I think there's all types
of insecurities that's that do the same thing. It's not
even about the specific insecurity. It's just the insecurities, yes,
that are put on us, that are put on us

(01:11:32):
that make us not enjoy life. It is a form
of control. Oh oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
It is a form of control designed Yes, yes, and
and and it goes back and it's like also biblical
like it's a form of control. And dare I say
mental abuse? Because what would it actually look like if
if everyone actually loved themselves and they were enough mm hmm, equality,

(01:12:04):
that's what would happen. Yeah, they don't want that, not
at all, because then you gotta pay me what you
owe me. What's one thing you hope never changes about you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
My god, I don't know what do you think? What
do I hope nothing that doesn't change about you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yes? Okay, yes? Are you talking with the balls? You're
bored now with the ball. You can keep going with
the ball. What do I hope never changes about you. Yes,
your glasses have fullness, but also the joy that you
wrap that up in yeap for everyone else. Yes, is

(01:12:43):
that a good answer? That's a very good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
You're so pretty? Stop you're so pretty. Oh that's so nice,
thank you, But like, oh, that's really sweet. When I
did her show, you didn't say it about me. You
only said about her. These are great questions. I sure,

(01:13:06):
what is it fear that you are actively working through?
That's a good one because you present yeah as fearless. Wow, really,
I just told you I was so scared of spiders,
like right before we saw.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, but that's not the same thing. It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
No, you're not scared of spiders is going to stop
you from living your life?

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
That's true, but I don't go camping. Well then, so
maybe slightly living your life if you wanted to camp.
But you present as fearless. Yeah, So are there fears
that you've had to overcome to be able to be
the person that you are? I? Yes, yes, yes, but

(01:13:46):
the inevitable is my ultimate fear, which is death.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Sorry, no, you're bringing to stop. Don't stop there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Oh this is a really good ball. You shouldn't have
some money in here. I know it will Usually people
just picked one, but you do like a glutton for that.
I wasn't going to stop you. No, I wasn't going
to stop you. It's just that you were so good.
I didn't want to stop you. That could be the
last one. But that could be the last one. But yeah,

(01:14:22):
we under death. We ended death. But it's not death,
it's fear of death. Yeah, because fear of losing people.
Oh so that your fear of death is other people dying,
not you dying both. Yes, Okay, there's levels to this.
There is because I have people who think about it
all the time. I know people who think about it
all the time, and then some people who don't fear

(01:14:45):
it at all at all. Yeah. Usually the people who
have come really close to it don't really fear it
as much. Yeah. I don't know where do you sit?
I you know what this podcast was called. When we
first launched the pod, it was called We're all going

(01:15:07):
to die, so we better start living? Would you have
would you have come to the show if that? If
that was the name of it, I'll come to any
show you do. Yeah, But it was called that because
I had had a lot of loss at that time. Also,
I was in a really bad car as I saw
all these things, and I realized, we're all going to die,
Like what do I really want to do? What do
I really care about? Knowing that our time here is limited?

(01:15:30):
What's important to me? And so that was the concept
of it. But I realized that would scare some people off.
So we went to in real life, like what do
we what do we care about in real life? And
so we landed in real life. But yeah, I'm very
interested in the subject because I do think it our
fear of it. Sometimes I don't know, it's it controls
how we how we live and what we do at

(01:15:52):
the time we have and sometimes we get we get
scared to do certain things because what we live in
fear or worry or can I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I just wonder where it lands for you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I Yeah, no, I'm fearless.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I'm definitely fearless because because it's coming, you know, and
so so and that's why I started stand up, because
after nine eleven, I'm like, oh, we might die, so
we better start living.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
So you were fueled by that too, I did hear that. Yeah,
and my dad has had dementia for a long time,
and he's sort of like wasting away, and so it's
like this prolonged goodbye but also like a prolong like
I still have you, Like it's just a very And
then you know people that are very close to me

(01:16:43):
that have cancer, it's uh, it's death. That's the one
thing that we can't control that we can't control.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Fuck it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
It fucking sucks, and I want them here. Yeah, and
I want them here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Yeah. Yeah, I have two friends dealing with parents with
dementia right now. What a challenging kind of roller coaster.
Very yeah, very But but to your point, there's some
type of collateral beauty like in appreciating, Yeah, the moments.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah, it's almost like I get to take care of
my dad now. But it's also like the thing where
like I know he wouldn't have wanted this, but I'm
looking at him and he's so happy, but then he's
also like, you know not, It's just it is a
very fucked up, confusing thing where you just truly it

(01:17:45):
humanizes every and anything you can ever be with, do
you know what I mean? And uh, like even my
kids when I show them pictures like of them with
my dad three years ago. They're like, who's that guy?
I'm like, that is your grandfather playing with you, the
scary guy in the bed. And I'm like, he's not scary.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
That's tough, tough, and so yeah, it's just yeah, death,
that's this is a shitty way to end the conversation.
It's pretty great, you think so, think so we had
such a like bright, happy conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
We can't land it on us. No, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
So go back at the go, back at the ball,
back at the ball. I go, bitch, question, what are
some of your pet peeves or triggers? Oh? How much
time we got? Tell me that was before you go?

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I mean, I think, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Adults that act like children.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Do you need a pillow on a fucking plane?

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Do you need to complain about your food allergy? No,
fucking be an adult person. Order what the fuck you
gotta order, and don't tell me about.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Your gas at dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
At dinner, stop trying to put pet peet. When somebody
wants to yuck, you're yum when they do the yeah,
but get the fuck out of here. Talk to your
mom about that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Somebody who yucks you'r yum.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
No yuck, my yum ever ever, this is my yummy moment?

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Is your husband? Is your husband good at that? Not yuck?

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And you're yum?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
No, he's a virgo?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Does he's born to yuck?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Oh? Really? I thought that was going to be the
key to your to finding the right person for you.
You know, it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
It's so funny because he has to think about everything
he does and like read the comments and and you know,
and not the comments or what is it called when
people like leave reviews about something. He has to be
very organized in his thought process.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I'm like, or we could do it and then fuck
up and learn from our mistake. I love sucking up
and learning from my massage. Oh it's my most favorite thing.
What's your moon?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
My moon? Is it a fire?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I don't know? Should I know? You should know? How
do I find out? Ask somebody? Ooh yeah, oh I
did this? Yeah I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Do you know your rising in your moon? No?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Okay, would that serve me to know? Yes? It would?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I think it's fire. Might have a fire in your chart? Okay?
What is the fear that you're actually working through?

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Do I do that? I really think you've done all
the damn wolves I'm trying to find.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I'm really just stalling, letting you do it till I
find my like some perfect Lately, I've been reminding myself that,
oh it's okay, it's okay, it's okay to not be
okay because menopause is like new for me. Oh you
just it's new for me, and I don't sweat, but
the hot flash makes me feel anxious, and I'm like,
are we going to die? It was like, is there turbulence?

(01:20:50):
Everyone looks so happy, and I'm like, can we turn
the arron? And because it's like yeah, okay, I'm like
so like it's a weird thing where I'm like, nobody
else feels like that with something you used to be
embarrassed about that now you own. What if every answer
was just queping, you should totally do that? Okay, guilty pleasure.

(01:21:12):
I found two here Democracy, Democracy, that's my guilty pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
MM. When everybody's gotta say, mom, what a kick? I
am no longer fucking ho, I am no longer available for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
You're bullshit? Do some get therapy. There's a whole you
can you don't have to go in person. You can
get your degree from DeVry online and also get therapy.
The best advice someone has ever given you, Oh my god,
so many things. Will Sylviance, who's a really funny comedian

(01:21:50):
you know well love well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
He does a lot of stuff with cipher yah cypha sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Will When I first started comedy, he was like one
of the only straight dudes who was like who wasn't
like touched my dick for stage time and uh, that
wasn't his advice, but he was just nice to me,
and he said, as soon as you get good in
this room, go to another room where you suck, and
that's how you get better. Because everybody wants to answer

(01:22:18):
how do I make money?

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Have my money?

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
And he was like, get good, get good, and I
was like, oh, got you. And then I got good
and I was like, oo, be so undeniable that nobody
could fuck with you. And so that really helped me
and like shaped me because then I was already fearless
enough to like get on stage. But then like everybody
puts the thing on you. Like even within comedy, when
you make up your own rules, people are like, you
got to go to this club, you gotta sit around

(01:22:41):
and hang out. I'm like I want to fuck a
hang out. I got friends, Okay, I want to see
my friends. I want to hang with you fucks. I
want to do what I want to do my set
and want to go and I hang out with you
and talk about your fucking joke. So that advice with
some people who have had success. Sometimes you get content
in your little box of success or. But to go
into a different room, and that's a different kind of ego.

(01:23:02):
That's an insecure ego, the one that always has to
be big fish and be right. I think a really healthy,
beautiful ego is the one that's working that doesn't mind
like going into rooms where you don't know everything, but
you still know what you know and you want to
work with people. That's like the type of ego I
want to work with. M Yeah, And how can you
learn if you stay in that same little room.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
That's the thing. And people don't want to learn because
they think they know everything. Okay, Will with the good advice.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
It's good advice, yeah, Will, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
You never know when you say something to somebody how
it sits and lands with them forever. It's two thousand
and two. Yeah, Yeah, And this last one, I'd like
to end with this because when okay, because you got
to end it. You got to end it at some
point because we could literally sit here, then we could
do a whole other interview and you could be Mavis
and I could be Dawn.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah, Charles Renee, he was great. Run Ricau's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
But you had this incredible show movies. You're about to
go on tour and Netflix special is going to be filmed,
getting filmed. You've broken barriers. You're a great mom who
adores her kids, sixteen year marriage, a long time, I

(01:24:15):
mean a lot of successes in your life. Yeah, you're happy,
you're taking care of your dad, You're seeing even the
beauty in some of those moments. Yeah, Like, this is
a lot that you've that you've done. What are you
most proud of about yourself? All of those things that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
That no matter what I am, who I am, I'm
still this thick, titty, freckle faces bitch that wants to
make people laugh and trying to have a clean kitchen
and manicured feet and have a good day, you know,
and uh it it feels me to uplift people, you know.
So yeah, then I'm that bitch that I still have

(01:24:56):
friends from like first grade to high school of college
that you know. I'm still that bitch. Yeah, fame is
like what is fame? Famous? Just a tax bracket. We're
like a fucking check on a social media page, you know.
I think success is you know when you're happy, right,

(01:25:18):
when you're happy, when you're a good person, you do
good things.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Now, that's how you end the college.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Hey, I'm gonna showto in real life. Hey guys, thanks
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