April 28, 2025 • 35 mins
Today on “Golden Hour,” Chloie from Grant’s season of “The Bachelor” is breaking some major news: She’s in love! She’s telling us everything about her new romance, including how they met, how they found each other again, and what she’s expecting in the future. Will we be hearing wedding bells anytime soon? Then, Chloie reveals her experience with modeling, including advice she has for anyone looking to break into the industry! Plus, Chloie helps dish out some advice to our listeners who are struggling with self-confidence and friendships. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for
joining us today. We're so excited to be back for
another episode.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We sure are as usual.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Make sure you check out our lensed episodes because we
have given out some good, good information as well as
having so much fun answering the questions that you guys
write into us and chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, so today we have a very special guest, another
yet another Susan beautiful, beautiful, talented woman from Grant season.
Please help us welcome Chloe. Hi, Chloe, Welcome to Golden Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello, how could that smile?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Smile?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Tell us tell us all are you? We want to
know how you're doing.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm I'm really good, Darian, the best I've ever been.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, Well, before we get to that, we want to
know how you got on the show. What would you
apply for the show? Tell pick us back a little bit.
We want to We want to know your past before
we hear your present.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Sure sure, yeah. I So I got picked up like
really late in their casting season. So it was last
summer and I was kind of just like quarter life crisis.
What am I doing with my life. I've been freelancing
in New York for like five years, and I was
talking with my roommate and she was like, you know,
(01:33):
you'd be the perfect candidate for reality TV, Like you
should apply for something just because single creative. You know,
I can kind of just like uproot my life and
it's right, don't have to quit my job or anything. Right.
And I describe it like you know when you easy
apply on LinkedIn and it's kind of just you do
it in two seconds and you don't think anything about
it and you're like, I know I'm not going to
(01:53):
get this, but it just makes you feel better. That's
kind of how I felt applying, like it was just
kind of I'm like, oh, this is just a funny
thing to do on an afternoon, and filled it out
with my roommate. And then two weeks later, I was
sending in the nail sawn talking to my mom and
I was like, wait, I have a call waiting. I'll
call you back, And then it was a producer from
the Bachelor, and I was like, wait, way.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Did you think it was real or did you think
you were being played?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well? At first, I was kind of like, excuse me,
it's I don't often answer, you know, random phone numbers,
like an eight hundred numbers. So I was just like,
let's you know, you never know who it is. And
I was like, wait, sorry, I can't hear, Like what
like I'm producer from the Bachelor, And I was like,
uh like told me a.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Second, but okay, did you tell the lady stopped him
with my nails when we go outside and take this.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Or I was the only one in the nail slawn
and so I was a little nervous, and so I
just I started doing my interview right then and there,
and she's like, are you in public? Like I can
kind of tell that You're like whispering and holy a
little bit. And I'm like, you know, I'm in a
nail slan fu.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Wow, what a feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then what happened from there? How far away was it?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It was? So the ball started rolling and I was
doing all my interviews and all that, and then I
was probably like just over a month out that this
first call happened. And then I went on a backpacking
trip in Europe for three weeks.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I was like this living my life.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It was like such a whirlwind summer and fall. I
was like this sounds great, Like I would love to
be involved, but I'm about to be off the grid,
so like if we want to do this, we kind
of have to. And they're like okay, like, well, fast
track all your paperwork whatever. And then I found out
that I got it when I was in the middle
of the mountains of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah that's so.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And I got back and I had a week to pack, so.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, we know that. Wow. So so looking back on
the whole experience, and it's like, well, give us one
word to describe it, the whole experience, what would you
what would need that word?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Maybe just whirlwind. The whole thing was just yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Such a good word. Same for us on the goal
about s Yeah, that's a great word.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Actually it is anything you wish you could have changed.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I wish I would have had more time to allocate
my outfits.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That would have been you after my own heart.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You looked great, absolutely, yeah, I mean you did. You
looked fabous. Okay, so that's your past. Now we're going
to dive right in because that smile, wipe it off
your face. Tell us why yourself about.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The dating life.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
When you got off the show, were your d ms
full were all kinds of people reaching out to you.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well, it was funny because my dms were full of
just you know, the next couple of months girls reaching
out saying that the met to stuff. But it wasn't
until I got I didn't get the rose that then
the men started flooding in the d ms.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Are you hearing this?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We got non Chloe, because old people don't know the
old men don't know how.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
To get on social media.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
True, according to my dms, they do great.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Thanks, thanks a lot, Chloe. Well, this interview is over.
Thanks for joining us. We're moving on. Seriously, older guys,
how old close? How old?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I feel like a lot of them aren't even real
because some of them just seem like, you know, it's
like the sugar daddy bots kind.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Of yeah, so who even knows?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Okay, did you pick one out of these d ms
that struck you that, Okay, I'm going to talk to
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, well, so, okay, it's kind of like
a pass in a present moment. So there was a
guy that I've been friends with for a few years,
and when I was out in LA last year, he
had moved back. He's from LA and we had kind
(06:05):
of established, you know, we're not friends anymore. And so
we started seeing Tayler for a few months. The timing
wasn't right. We ended things, and then fast forward six
seven months. He didn't tell, but I.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Have to indrop. I'm sorry, is this before the show
you met him?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
This was before the show that I met him?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Okay, So then you broke it off, okay, and we
broke it off, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Then he saw you on TV. Tell me that's what
it was.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So he showed up in New York like right before
I was leaving and didn't know that I was going
on the show, and I'm like, I don't want to
tell him, like I'm doing this thing whatever. And so
then eventually, you know, through close friends I told he
found out, but it was kind of like sorry, I'm
I'm leaving. Yeah, and then I go on the show
(06:54):
and I get back, and shortly after that he reached
out again.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah are we now and that we're in love?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Who?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, okay, so happy for you, thank you. Yeah, he
is the best.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And what did you discover about him now recent that
you didn't notice prior or was it something about you
that changed from your experience on the show.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think it's a bit of both. I think that
we were both in a it just wasn't right time. Yeah,
and I think that we both saw this thing in
one another, but it just like we both kind of
needed a little bit more time and to figure things out.
And I feel like once I got off the show,
you know, it was like, Okay, I got my cake
(07:45):
and to eat it too. Like I got this amazing experience.
I learned so much, I met amazing people. I feel
like I was meant to go on the show and
you know, make this you know experience, and yeah, and
so I just feel like after everything kind of shifted
and clicked and we met back up and just kind
(08:05):
of immediately we were like, this is it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You have thoughts of him? I'm sorry, did you have
thoughts of him while you were on the show. Did
you think of him at all? Comparing sometimes you know
how we do.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah. I think him showing up in New York before
I left kind of threw me for a loop. But again,
it was such a whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Wait did he show up to meet to see you?
Is that why he came to New York?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean, I don't know exactly how he was can
say I think, yeah, he had intentions of trying to
rekindle and.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I was like, Okay, tell me the three best characteristics
about him, what makes you love him.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I think he's extremely empathetic in caring. He has the
biggest heart. I think that he is He's so silly
and playful and makes me laugh and I've never really
had that in a partner before, and I feel like
I've always been the biggest personality in the relationship. And
(09:04):
we really kind of go back and forth, which is
such a fun day.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's funny. And we were just talking earlier on another
podcast about you want the same person you know with Alex.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Did you discover anything about yourself being on the show
that you didn't realize or that you became more comfortable
with who you are?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, I think that. I think just throughout all of
my dating experience, you know, you pick up little things,
but I feel like being on the show really like
solidified what, you know, what I'm looking for, and I
think I was kind of, you know, it really solidified
like I'm ready for this and like I'm ready to
(09:53):
make a commitment. And I think that's why when I left,
you know, us rekindling. It was really like, I'm actually
really ready for this, just in all the conversations I
had with people, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Tell you to get married, you know who can?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I knew that was coming. Susan's a wedding efficient, But
I have a question. How how do you guys balance
the I assume he lives in California? Yeah, and yeah,
how does that work? Is it long distance or are
you how are you doing this?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So the first couple of months was long distance, so
it was like every couple of weeks we would see
each other and be doing like the Red Eyes New
York to LA, which was really brutal. But then I've
come out to La the last couple of winners, and
so I was like, great, I'll just come out again.
And now I'm living in Newport because he's moved down
here for his job, and so I've just been here
(10:43):
for like four or five months.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But then I'll go back to New York.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Nice are still modeling.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I'm still modeling, so I've agents in both places and
I've just kind of been flying back and forth.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So it's it's very much a crazy schedule, but it's
fun and worth it. And I feel like if anybody's
gonna have an atypical schedule, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Both of you look at the both. So Susan just
recently announced about her boyfriend that she met her to
love of her life. She met him on a vacation
that we were on actually in Saint Martin. And yeah,
and so, but I see both of you. You neither
one of you can wipe the smiles off your face.
So there's got to be something.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But mind, we have a language barrier that's a little difficult.
But I said, well, last forever because I don't have
no idea what you said.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It keeps things interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So I want to know what got you into modeling.
I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And photos are gorgeo.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, you're just you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Thank you so much. It's funny when I think back
on it. I was like fourteen fifteen, and I'm from
Kansas City, and I I just feel like I'd always
been tall, and people kind of set it in passing
to my parents like, oh, you should get into modeling.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How are you, Chloe? How tall?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'm five ten? Oh? Okay, okay, yeah, And I was
like tomboy never wanted to. You know, I would never
admit that I wanted to do that, but I just
kind of under the radar, submitted some random photos that
I had to just a local agency and kind of
got the ball rolling from there. But I didn't tell
(12:34):
any of my friends. I was like too embarrassed. So
it wasn't until like I really graduated from college that
I formally came out and was like, I'm doing I've
been doing this. I would leave and you know, take
days off school and going.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So it wasn't your ultimate career goal or was it? Secretly?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I mean it's I wouldn't say that. I was like,
I'd always dreamt of it, but it just it piqued
my interest and then it kind of just started work working,
and I was like, I feel like I could do this,
And you know, I feel like when I graduated, I
was an art major and I wasn't really sure what
I wanted to do, and I feel like modeling just
was this foot in the door to this creative industry
and it all just kind of fell together.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, what does he do?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He is the director of a summer camp.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
In California in California.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
In California. Yeah, so he had been doing like tech
sales and just was sobern out And in the last
year and a half ish he quit his job and
he he'd worked at this camp in college and reached
out and was like, you guys have any full time positions?
And yeah, he's like he's loving.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So are we talking marriage? I know I'm not supposed
to ask that, but here I am.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, we are talking marriage. He's the one.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He's another first era Chloe.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It sounds like her on Golden Hour.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Wow, it's crazy to say. So.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Do you have any advice for girls, women, young women
that want to get into the modeling sure industry.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I think I think that really the best place to
start is just taking some basic digitals like tank top
genes against a white wall front side, back, and just
start sending those out to agencies. And I would just
start collaborating with photographers. Instagram is like the now LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That She's got such a good point because most people
put too much makeup in all these outfits. They want
to see the natural bone structure your body.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yes, and I think I think Instagram is created I mean,
it's a double edged sword, right, but it's created this
working portfolio for creatives and models and stuff. So I
think showcasing your personality and use Instagram as your portfolio,
and I think a lot of clients really do look
at that and agents and stuff, and they want to
see that you're more than just a pretty face, that
(15:09):
you have dynamic Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So wait, I have a question. You know, Susan and
I are dinosaurs, but when modeling, when we were coming
up in the modeling world, it was very much eating
disorders and mental and physical issues surrounding modeling. Is that
still necessarily the way? Is that still an issue?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean I think that, yes, I mean, it definitely
is in certain corners. I think, especially this new kind
of phase that we've entered with. I feel like people
are saying we're bringing back nineties skinny and the ozimpics
stuff and all that. But personally that's not been my experience.
(15:54):
I've been. It's been nothing but positive. And I feel
like people have celebrated my body rather than telling me
to change it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and that's such a difference. I mean, national brands,
you know, gap, all these national brands now use full
figure out, they call them, you know, whatever you want
to call it. It just it's normal life and I
like seeing that modeling now sort of mirrors what real
life is.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, definitely. When I first started, it was very much
like straight size and plus size and now and that
was you know, over ten years ago, and now things
have really opened up that it's like curve and that's
really just anything that's a size six and.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Up, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, it is wild.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's called curve.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, that's so hardly ever am I necessarily referred to
as plus size? But really what like the boards and
stuff that I'm on with my with my agencies and stuff,
they it's like the curve board, but that's inclusive of
plus size and these kind of mid size bodies. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's just it's interesting to me that modeling used to
be you know, you lived on lettuce and it didn't
approximate yeah, the real time women. So I'm glad to
see that modeling has somewhat changed. And you look on
a magazine and you see yourself, you don't see something that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, something needs to relate to.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, you can relate to.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah. But and I think too though, that it really
is just about taking care of yourself. Like there have
been points in my life, like when I first graduated
from college. I was not treating my body the best
that I could have, you know, and I think that
was reflected in like the way that I looked and
just my skin. But now it's like I really haven't
changed in size, but I feel better. I look better,
(17:43):
you know. I'm taken care of myself, eating right, working out,
and so I don't think it's necessarily a lack of
you know, fitness or start well, you know whatever. I
think it's just people who are treating themselves right and
taking care of themselves.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You feel like, since you have an agency over in California,
are you getting a lot of work there that you
could shift and or do you always go back to
New York You'll always feel like you have more work.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it's interesting day it is. Yeah, I'm trying to
kind of figure out the LA market. I think it
definitely is different. I'm going back to New York a
lot like New York is still my bread and butter,
but I'm hoping that LA will be a little bit
more consistent. I would like to do some more acting maybe,
so that could be that could be adventure that Yeah,
(18:35):
LA provides, but it's different. I think it just takes
time to kind.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Of well you are absolutely, I mean, you're stunning and
your person.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Wait, I have a question, Katy, I have to ask
do you like to cook?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I do like to cook. I think it's much more
fun cooking for someone now that there's someone to cook for.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you know what, I'll move there and you can
cook for me. Because Alex and I were trying to
I don't cook. I don't understand it. It's it's Greek
to me.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's totally well, I'm Italian and so I have a
bunch of big, big family that loves to cook.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sounds like yes, so much like all right, we're both
in love.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, okay, listen, I could just leave now, well out
the door you took and finish up here. Okay, have
fun with each other. But before I leave, we're going
to move into our advice portion of the episode, and Chloe,
we're just going to kick things off of the question
of the day and then we'd like your thoughts on it.
Are you game? Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm game?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
All right? Do you feel like you found your own
personal style when it comes to close and what advice
do you have to young girls that are trying to
figure out how they want to dress and finding what
they feel confident in.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I think I think I have. I think I'm I'm
a very like classic dresser, but I like to flare
it up with the little accessories that are more trendy
and things. I think it's like finding really solid pieces
that are unique, like really classic things with an interesting shape.
And I think it's just about knowing your body and
what suits you like if you have a short waist,
(20:12):
what kind of silhouettes work on you or your hour
glass shape. So it's trying on a lot of things
and knowing.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
What you feel good in.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, because not every trend is gonna work. Like I
have big boobs and a lot of things don't work
for me.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And it's funny you say that when years ago, as
Susan knows, and you're about to know, I hate the shop, clothes, shopping.
I hate it. But Alex and I have a few
things in common here. Yeah, but I had a dresser,
This was years ago. A stylist come in and go
through my closet and after she finished laughing looking at
(20:48):
what's in my closet, she said, Kathy, you're always dressed.
Your best attribute and my best attribute has always been
I have very long legs. So she said, when when
big full pants come in as they are now or
we're ten minutes ago, she said, don't do that where
the slacks that emphasize your legs stick to the stocks.
(21:11):
I've never forgotten that.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think like if you find the silhouettes
that worked for you, and then accessor eyes with the
trendy things, you know, and you don't need to splurge
on the trendy things.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Like give an example, what are the twenty things? Give
me some examples.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I think like sunglasses or jewelry, or you know, the
way you wear belts, or I like scarves are coming
back and having a moment, you know, or maybe fun
shoes are easier and a cheaper way to kind of
come in come out. I feel like change an outfits.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, well, when if this gig doesn't work out for
your clothe would you come and dress me please?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I would, honestly, I would love to. That's my favorite
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh God, I tell you I'm moving in.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Kathy's clause and what I saw was more conservative Kathy,
and now that she's coming out, if you will in
the world and she's dressing a little more, not just
the classic look, but a little more modern, if you will, right.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean it's fun to play. I think it's
fun to try new things. I look back at things
that I have been wearing. And also I think living
in New York allowed me to really anything if anything
goes in New York, and it's interesting. Even being in
California right now, I'm definitely a little less adventurous, but
I'm trying to fight that just because I feel like
(22:34):
you absolutely, yeah, New York, you can wear a ball
gown to the grocery store and nobody.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Nobody, And you can wear pajamas to the met and
nobody's going to baden eye exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah. People would call it cheek, but I think it's
it's fun to be adventurous, even if I think it
taught me well in New York. And I'm trying to
bring that into my really make that part of who
I am.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
You seem like you were made for this rare really.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Oh thank you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And where were you born and raised?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm Mission Hills. You are from Mission Hills, Kansas? Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is that is that not near?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Child? Please? Which to talk Kansas is because I do
my homework. I researched you. My sister's husband grew up
in Mission Hills. Oh really, you don't want to know them.
You don't want to know never mind, Sorry I brought
it up.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, nobody knows what Mission Hills is, but so I
just say Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But that was good.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
We go there, you go.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Now we're going to go into our fan questions and
we want you to be a part of this.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
We give them advice.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So we're going to ask you first for your opinion
or your advice for these people that wrote in. Okay, sure,
So this one says anonymous, Hi, ladies, I'm so frustrated
and could really use your help. I love my best
friend so much, but her insecurities are really starting to
become too much for me. She's constantly saying negative things
(24:10):
about her appearance, and it's honestly getting to the point
where it's triggering me. To give you an idea of
the kinds of things she would say. She never goes
out to dinner with me and my friends because she
doesn't want to eat before we go out so she
doesn't bloat.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I really don't want.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
To abandon her, but I need to protect my brain.
I work really hard not to be negative towards myself,
and her thoughts constantly creep into my head. How do
I address this with her? She's always says these things
in a joking manner, so I really don't want her
(24:50):
to brush me off. But you know what I'm saying, Thanks, ladies.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, I get it, know, I get it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I get So what do you think it's that negative stuff?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think I've definitely been in a few friendships like this,
And I mean, I think the key to life is
you have to love yourself before you can love anybody else.
That's just but you. You can't force that on somebody.
You can't teach that to somebody. You can just encourage
them and kind of hope that they, you know, run
(25:27):
with it. I think that, as hard as it is
to be honest, I'd be honest. I just say, hey,
don't you know when you're so negative like this? It's
it's and in fact everybody, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, negativity. I mean, if that's what this is about, oh,
absolutely yourself down.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
She won't eat because her belly mine does too every time,
and I try to drink all this water by the nighttime.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I'm like this big, it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with all that.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
But so for for the anonymous, what do you say
she does I have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I think she says something. I think it. Sometimes it
feels blunt, but I think if you just handle it
with care and maybe like lead with example and just
say hey, when I'm feeling this way, I do X,
Y and Z. And you know, I hate seeing you
be so hard on yourself, but it's I got to say,
it's a little hard to be on It's like affecting
me too. And I don't want this to affect our friendship.
(26:28):
But you know you're beautiful inside it out right.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't want to do negativity because feel.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
It's not that deep having a bloated belly, it's not
that deep, right.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And also, if you keep putting this negative out to
the universe, more negative is going to come your way.
Ye's going to keep you compounding this.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, you are your thoughts, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
To me, I'm making light of this because I mean
I get down on myself sometimes, you know, we all do.
They all do, And I look to my friends to
build me up and support me. But I also with you, Susan,
like I have, we've talked about this, I become such
a more positive person. Yeah, since I went on the show,
(27:09):
it just knowing that that was it, Susan mee and
you just just did it. But I think that I
like to be around positive people. I don't be uplifting
it's unly.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah. Yeah, I think being on the show too is
very illuminating because it's like you see a different side
of the world in this industry and stuff. And I
think that it made me so I feel so blessed
because I think that just naturally I just things kind
of roll off my back that it doesn't necessarily for
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other people, and it gave me a lot more empathy.
But I think that you really just especially being in
the spotlight or something, you really just have to rise
above it and be like, you know what, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Care, But don't you think I want to know? We
both want to know what three women you know who
are your closest friends from the show, and we know
that one of them is Alex, but you know, A, yeah,
you got to say Alex. But but I'm also curious
what it's like at your age to be in a
confined area like you know, the mansion and then and
(28:14):
all the traveling with women, because I'm guessing that's not common.
It certainly wasn't common at our age. So yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Honestly, being like being at the mansion and stuff, that
was the least anxious. Like I was so relaxed, Like
you know, they wake you up and they put you
to bed and there's a grocery list right in front
of you. I was like, this is great. I'm like,
I'm gonna sit by the pool and then I got
to be somewhere someone's gonna tell me where to be,
Like just awesome. I loved it. I feel like it
was like summer camp meets sorority house.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That ours was, uh, summer camp meets fifty five and over.
So what are the women? Who are they?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Who are definitely definitely Alex and me really hit it off,
and it's nice that we're both So we've gotten to
hang out a bunch, and I've kept up a ton
with Parisa and Natalie too. I think we all really
resonated with one another.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah that's yeah, that's cool. And what did you learn
about yourself anything?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I think I.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Learned kind of what I was saying earlier. Just I
feel like my empathy grew because I was like, wow,
they're just because you pick you take twenty five of
the biggest personalities, but we're all different, and then you
put us all in one room and then it's a
stressful environment where it's every you know, it's like competitive,
but it's personal. And so I think my empathy just
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really grew during this experience.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You felt bad for people, not even I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Felt bad, but I was just like understanding.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, we're just we were hint, we're having similar like
it's not the exact same experiences, but it's affecting you
way different than it's affecting me. And I'm like, your
feelings are just as valid, and lets me sit you
under try and understand exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know, did you were you attracted to Grant or
do you know pretty early he wasn't your guy?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I think just from looks basis of course, yeah, he's
a great look guy. But I think you know early
on in dating whether there's this chemistry or not, and
it was yeah, I think you know, when we the
friend zone break up or whatever, I think it was mutual.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, for us With Gary, you get in the friend
zone like real quickly. And yeah, it's so good. It's
so funny.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
It's nothing bad to say about him. He seems like
a great guy. I'm happy he's happy.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Were you surprised that his final choice between the two
or did you have a feeling?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean, yeah, I think it was a toss up
just because of the initial sparks that we saw, like
flying and stuff. But I think that him and Juliana
are so compatible with one another, Like I just think
that they, you know, speak the same language and are
just like they're the same energy. So it makes so much.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Sense to me. Yeah, adorable. I want to go with
them totally, totally.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Wow, Okay, so you've got we've got to know you
a little better. Now we want to open it to you.
Do you have any questions for us?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I love this question.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean I so. My mom when she found
out that I was doing this, did her like any
good mom, did her deep dive and and she was like,
I don't know how I'm gonna feel seeing women in
my age doing this whatever, And then she fell in
love with you guys. She loved it so much. But
she's like I just can't. And I thought the same thing.
(31:39):
I'm like, what made you guys want to go on
the show? I mean me, I'm like, I had nothing,
nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's I felt too. We were single, and yeah, I
mean it was an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah it was. To me, it was you know, it'd
be the same thing if I get to go on Paradise.
It's it's an adventure. It's I am I full romantic.
I really love it. I am I hope that you
can be the guy anywhere, right, So but for me,
it was an adventure to go on on Golden.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Batteries where we were looking for love, right.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I didn't find on I haven't found it on dating apps,
I haven't found it organically, so why not on national TV?
And I say the same thing, If I'm lucky enough
to go to Paradise, it'd be the same thing, you know,
Home Springs Eternal. So I think for Susan and me particularly,
we were very much ourselves and we didn't worry about
what people were going to think because we just were
(32:34):
there to be us.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Well, I think.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Watching it too, you can tell it just it feels
a lot more authentic and natural because you guys have
lived so much more life and have these true, you know,
stories and experiences and you're just in a really honest
point in your life where like you're open and read unapologetically.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I gotta say, I got to say, I don't think
I ever was not me. You know. People say that, oh,
you hit forty and you just become yourself, you know, Okay,
I'm like, yeah, No, I think I was always this way.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I'm saying, yeah, we have a lot more wisdom now.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
But yeah, yeah, well I think you guys were made
for it too. I love that you.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I would also say, the older you get, or at
least the older I've gotten, so much of what I
worry about think about. It's minutia. You know, somebody wrote
a book once, a long time ago. Everything I needed
to know I learned in kindergarten. Like, you know, that's
kind of it. Like the rest of it just doesn't matter,
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you know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, people their age going on the show, they're looking
at a marriage and a future and babies, a family.
It's a whole different to you know, somebody to do
the last chapter with, to enjoy, someone.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
To travel with, someone to have fun with. In my case,
someone who wants to cook for me?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
True, you need an Italian katy, our frenchman.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
My man can cook.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Susan's the town and her French boyfriend cooks. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We love that and I'm so glad you have found
your person.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We want to come to the wedding.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No, I want to perform the wedding.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm sorry, of.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Course, Well he's got he's gone on first.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Okay, well tell.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Me we have.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I can. I can make these things happen. I can
do it. We're really real nice and twist his arm
a little bit. Yeah, it won't hurt him too much.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I hope you keep glowing with that beautiful, beautiful smile you.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
So much about. Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Absolutely that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy
Hours Golden Hour. Thank you to our beautiful, lovely glass
guest Chloe. Thank you for joining us and sharing all
your experience and your love.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I love it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It has been great having you. You shine, you glow,
you you exum happiness. You just exude happiness. It's great
to see. And you have two tuins over there. Thank you'
all out there for joining us. We hope you enjoyed
this episode. Be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour because
we have new episodes and sounds like we got a
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whole bunch of new love stories coming your way, so
you want want to miss a one.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
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Speaker 1 (35:41):
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Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for
joining us today. We're so excited to be back for
another episode.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We sure are as usual.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Make sure you check out our lensed episodes because we
have given out some good, good information as well as
having so much fun answering the questions that you guys
write into us and chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, so today we have a very special guest, another
yet another Susan beautiful, beautiful, talented woman from Grant season.
Please help us welcome Chloe. Hi, Chloe, Welcome to Golden Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello, how could that smile?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Smile?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Tell us tell us all are you? We want to
know how you're doing.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm I'm really good, Darian, the best I've ever been.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, Well, before we get to that, we want to
know how you got on the show. What would you
apply for the show? Tell pick us back a little bit.
We want to We want to know your past before
we hear your present.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Sure sure, yeah. I So I got picked up like
really late in their casting season. So it was last
summer and I was kind of just like quarter life crisis.
What am I doing with my life. I've been freelancing
in New York for like five years, and I was
talking with my roommate and she was like, you know,
(01:33):
you'd be the perfect candidate for reality TV, Like you
should apply for something just because single creative. You know,
I can kind of just like uproot my life and
it's right, don't have to quit my job or anything. Right.
And I describe it like you know when you easy
apply on LinkedIn and it's kind of just you do
it in two seconds and you don't think anything about
it and you're like, I know I'm not going to
(01:53):
get this, but it just makes you feel better. That's
kind of how I felt applying, like it was just
kind of I'm like, oh, this is just a funny
thing to do on an afternoon, and filled it out
with my roommate. And then two weeks later, I was
sending in the nail sawn talking to my mom and
I was like, wait, I have a call waiting. I'll
call you back, And then it was a producer from
the Bachelor, and I was like, wait, way.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Did you think it was real or did you think
you were being played?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well? At first, I was kind of like, excuse me,
it's I don't often answer, you know, random phone numbers,
like an eight hundred numbers. So I was just like,
let's you know, you never know who it is. And
I was like, wait, sorry, I can't hear, Like what
like I'm producer from the Bachelor, And I was like,
uh like told me a.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Second, but okay, did you tell the lady stopped him
with my nails when we go outside and take this.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Or I was the only one in the nail slawn
and so I was a little nervous, and so I
just I started doing my interview right then and there,
and she's like, are you in public? Like I can
kind of tell that You're like whispering and holy a
little bit. And I'm like, you know, I'm in a
nail slan fu.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Wow, what a feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then what happened from there? How far away was it?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It was? So the ball started rolling and I was
doing all my interviews and all that, and then I
was probably like just over a month out that this
first call happened. And then I went on a backpacking
trip in Europe for three weeks.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I was like this living my life.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It was like such a whirlwind summer and fall. I
was like this sounds great, Like I would love to
be involved, but I'm about to be off the grid,
so like if we want to do this, we kind
of have to. And they're like okay, like, well, fast
track all your paperwork whatever. And then I found out
that I got it when I was in the middle
of the mountains of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah that's so.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And I got back and I had a week to pack, so.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, we know that. Wow. So so looking back on
the whole experience, and it's like, well, give us one
word to describe it, the whole experience, what would you
what would need that word?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Maybe just whirlwind. The whole thing was just yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Such a good word. Same for us on the goal
about s Yeah, that's a great word.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Actually it is anything you wish you could have changed.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I wish I would have had more time to allocate
my outfits.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That would have been you after my own heart.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You looked great, absolutely, yeah, I mean you did. You
looked fabous. Okay, so that's your past. Now we're going
to dive right in because that smile, wipe it off
your face. Tell us why yourself about.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The dating life.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
When you got off the show, were your d ms
full were all kinds of people reaching out to you.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well, it was funny because my dms were full of
just you know, the next couple of months girls reaching
out saying that the met to stuff. But it wasn't
until I got I didn't get the rose that then
the men started flooding in the d ms.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Are you hearing this?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We got non Chloe, because old people don't know the
old men don't know how.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
To get on social media.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
True, according to my dms, they do great.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Thanks, thanks a lot, Chloe. Well, this interview is over.
Thanks for joining us. We're moving on. Seriously, older guys,
how old close? How old?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I feel like a lot of them aren't even real
because some of them just seem like, you know, it's
like the sugar daddy bots kind.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Of yeah, so who even knows?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Okay, did you pick one out of these d ms
that struck you that, Okay, I'm going to talk to
this one.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, well, so, okay, it's kind of like
a pass in a present moment. So there was a
guy that I've been friends with for a few years,
and when I was out in LA last year, he
had moved back. He's from LA and we had kind
(06:05):
of established, you know, we're not friends anymore. And so
we started seeing Tayler for a few months. The timing
wasn't right. We ended things, and then fast forward six
seven months. He didn't tell, but I.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Have to indrop. I'm sorry, is this before the show
you met him?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
This was before the show that I met him?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Okay, So then you broke it off, okay, and we
broke it off, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Then he saw you on TV. Tell me that's what
it was.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So he showed up in New York like right before
I was leaving and didn't know that I was going
on the show, and I'm like, I don't want to
tell him, like I'm doing this thing whatever. And so
then eventually, you know, through close friends I told he
found out, but it was kind of like sorry, I'm
I'm leaving. Yeah, and then I go on the show
(06:54):
and I get back, and shortly after that he reached
out again.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah are we now and that we're in love?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Who?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, okay, so happy for you, thank you. Yeah, he
is the best.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And what did you discover about him now recent that
you didn't notice prior or was it something about you
that changed from your experience on the show.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think it's a bit of both. I think that
we were both in a it just wasn't right time. Yeah,
and I think that we both saw this thing in
one another, but it just like we both kind of
needed a little bit more time and to figure things out.
And I feel like once I got off the show,
you know, it was like, Okay, I got my cake
(07:45):
and to eat it too. Like I got this amazing experience.
I learned so much, I met amazing people. I feel
like I was meant to go on the show and
you know, make this you know experience, and yeah, and
so I just feel like after everything kind of shifted
and clicked and we met back up and just kind
(08:05):
of immediately we were like, this is it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You have thoughts of him? I'm sorry, did you have
thoughts of him while you were on the show. Did
you think of him at all? Comparing sometimes you know
how we do.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah. I think him showing up in New York before
I left kind of threw me for a loop. But again,
it was such a whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Wait did he show up to meet to see you?
Is that why he came to New York?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I mean, I don't know exactly how he was can
say I think, yeah, he had intentions of trying to
rekindle and.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I was like, Okay, tell me the three best characteristics
about him, what makes you love him.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I think he's extremely empathetic in caring. He has the
biggest heart. I think that he is He's so silly
and playful and makes me laugh and I've never really
had that in a partner before, and I feel like
I've always been the biggest personality in the relationship. And
(09:04):
we really kind of go back and forth, which is
such a fun day.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's funny. And we were just talking earlier on another
podcast about you want the same person you know with Alex.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Did you discover anything about yourself being on the show
that you didn't realize or that you became more comfortable
with who you are?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, I think that. I think just throughout all of
my dating experience, you know, you pick up little things,
but I feel like being on the show really like
solidified what, you know, what I'm looking for, and I
think I was kind of, you know, it really solidified
like I'm ready for this and like I'm ready to
(09:53):
make a commitment. And I think that's why when I left,
you know, us rekindling. It was really like, I'm actually
really ready for this, just in all the conversations I
had with people, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Tell you to get married, you know who can?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I knew that was coming. Susan's a wedding efficient, But
I have a question. How how do you guys balance
the I assume he lives in California? Yeah, and yeah,
how does that work? Is it long distance or are
you how are you doing this?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So the first couple of months was long distance, so
it was like every couple of weeks we would see
each other and be doing like the Red Eyes New
York to LA, which was really brutal. But then I've
come out to La the last couple of winners, and
so I was like, great, I'll just come out again.
And now I'm living in Newport because he's moved down
here for his job, and so I've just been here
(10:43):
for like four or five months.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But then I'll go back to New York.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Nice are still modeling.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I'm still modeling, so I've agents in both places and
I've just kind of been flying back and forth.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So it's it's very much a crazy schedule, but it's
fun and worth it. And I feel like if anybody's
gonna have an atypical schedule, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Both of you look at the both. So Susan just
recently announced about her boyfriend that she met her to
love of her life. She met him on a vacation
that we were on actually in Saint Martin. And yeah,
and so, but I see both of you. You neither
one of you can wipe the smiles off your face.
So there's got to be something.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But mind, we have a language barrier that's a little difficult.
But I said, well, last forever because I don't have
no idea what you said.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It keeps things interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So I want to know what got you into modeling.
I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And photos are gorgeo.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, you're just you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Thank you so much. It's funny when I think back
on it. I was like fourteen fifteen, and I'm from
Kansas City, and I I just feel like I'd always
been tall, and people kind of set it in passing
to my parents like, oh, you should get into modeling.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
How are you, Chloe? How tall?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I'm five ten? Oh? Okay, okay, yeah, And I was
like tomboy never wanted to. You know, I would never
admit that I wanted to do that, but I just
kind of under the radar, submitted some random photos that
I had to just a local agency and kind of
got the ball rolling from there. But I didn't tell
(12:34):
any of my friends. I was like too embarrassed. So
it wasn't until like I really graduated from college that
I formally came out and was like, I'm doing I've
been doing this. I would leave and you know, take
days off school and going.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So it wasn't your ultimate career goal or was it? Secretly?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I mean it's I wouldn't say that. I was like,
I'd always dreamt of it, but it just it piqued
my interest and then it kind of just started work working,
and I was like, I feel like I could do this,
And you know, I feel like when I graduated, I
was an art major and I wasn't really sure what
I wanted to do, and I feel like modeling just
was this foot in the door to this creative industry
and it all just kind of fell together.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, what does he do?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He is the director of a summer camp.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
In California in California.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
In California. Yeah, so he had been doing like tech
sales and just was sobern out And in the last
year and a half ish he quit his job and
he he'd worked at this camp in college and reached
out and was like, you guys have any full time positions?
And yeah, he's like he's loving.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So are we talking marriage? I know I'm not supposed
to ask that, but here I am.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, we are talking marriage. He's the one.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He's another first era Chloe.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It sounds like her on Golden Hour.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Wow, it's crazy to say. So.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Do you have any advice for girls, women, young women
that want to get into the modeling sure industry.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I think I think that really the best place to
start is just taking some basic digitals like tank top
genes against a white wall front side, back, and just
start sending those out to agencies. And I would just
start collaborating with photographers. Instagram is like the now LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That She's got such a good point because most people
put too much makeup in all these outfits. They want
to see the natural bone structure your body.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yes, and I think I think Instagram is created I mean,
it's a double edged sword, right, but it's created this
working portfolio for creatives and models and stuff. So I
think showcasing your personality and use Instagram as your portfolio,
and I think a lot of clients really do look
at that and agents and stuff, and they want to
see that you're more than just a pretty face, that
(15:09):
you have dynamic Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So wait, I have a question. You know, Susan and
I are dinosaurs, but when modeling, when we were coming
up in the modeling world, it was very much eating
disorders and mental and physical issues surrounding modeling. Is that
still necessarily the way? Is that still an issue?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean I think that, yes, I mean, it definitely
is in certain corners. I think, especially this new kind
of phase that we've entered with. I feel like people
are saying we're bringing back nineties skinny and the ozimpics
stuff and all that. But personally that's not been my experience.
(15:54):
I've been. It's been nothing but positive. And I feel
like people have celebrated my body rather than telling me
to change it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and that's such a difference. I mean, national brands,
you know, gap, all these national brands now use full
figure out, they call them, you know, whatever you want
to call it. It just it's normal life and I
like seeing that modeling now sort of mirrors what real
life is.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, definitely. When I first started, it was very much
like straight size and plus size and now and that
was you know, over ten years ago, and now things
have really opened up that it's like curve and that's
really just anything that's a size six and.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Up, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, it is wild.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's called curve.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, that's so hardly ever am I necessarily referred to
as plus size? But really what like the boards and
stuff that I'm on with my with my agencies and stuff,
they it's like the curve board, but that's inclusive of
plus size and these kind of mid size bodies. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's just it's interesting to me that modeling used to
be you know, you lived on lettuce and it didn't
approximate yeah, the real time women. So I'm glad to
see that modeling has somewhat changed. And you look on
a magazine and you see yourself, you don't see something that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, something needs to relate to.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, you can relate to.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah. But and I think too though, that it really
is just about taking care of yourself. Like there have
been points in my life, like when I first graduated
from college. I was not treating my body the best
that I could have, you know, and I think that
was reflected in like the way that I looked and
just my skin. But now it's like I really haven't
changed in size, but I feel better. I look better,
(17:43):
you know. I'm taken care of myself, eating right, working out,
and so I don't think it's necessarily a lack of
you know, fitness or start well, you know whatever. I
think it's just people who are treating themselves right and
taking care of themselves.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You feel like, since you have an agency over in California,
are you getting a lot of work there that you
could shift and or do you always go back to
New York You'll always feel like you have more work.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it's interesting day it is. Yeah, I'm trying to
kind of figure out the LA market. I think it
definitely is different. I'm going back to New York a
lot like New York is still my bread and butter,
but I'm hoping that LA will be a little bit
more consistent. I would like to do some more acting maybe,
so that could be that could be adventure that Yeah,
(18:35):
LA provides, but it's different. I think it just takes
time to kind.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Of well you are absolutely, I mean, you're stunning and
your person.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Wait, I have a question, Katy, I have to ask
do you like to cook?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I do like to cook. I think it's much more
fun cooking for someone now that there's someone to cook for.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you know what, I'll move there and you can
cook for me. Because Alex and I were trying to
I don't cook. I don't understand it. It's it's Greek
to me.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's totally well, I'm Italian and so I have a
bunch of big, big family that loves to cook.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sounds like yes, so much like all right, we're both
in love.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, okay, listen, I could just leave now, well out
the door you took and finish up here. Okay, have
fun with each other. But before I leave, we're going
to move into our advice portion of the episode, and Chloe,
we're just going to kick things off of the question
of the day and then we'd like your thoughts on it.
Are you game? Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm game?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
All right? Do you feel like you found your own
personal style when it comes to close and what advice
do you have to young girls that are trying to
figure out how they want to dress and finding what
they feel confident in.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I think I think I have. I think I'm I'm
a very like classic dresser, but I like to flare
it up with the little accessories that are more trendy
and things. I think it's like finding really solid pieces
that are unique, like really classic things with an interesting shape.
And I think it's just about knowing your body and
what suits you like if you have a short waist,
(20:12):
what kind of silhouettes work on you or your hour
glass shape. So it's trying on a lot of things
and knowing.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
What you feel good in.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, because not every trend is gonna work. Like I
have big boobs and a lot of things don't work
for me.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And it's funny you say that when years ago, as
Susan knows, and you're about to know, I hate the shop, clothes, shopping.
I hate it. But Alex and I have a few
things in common here. Yeah, but I had a dresser,
This was years ago. A stylist come in and go
through my closet and after she finished laughing looking at
(20:48):
what's in my closet, she said, Kathy, you're always dressed.
Your best attribute and my best attribute has always been
I have very long legs. So she said, when when
big full pants come in as they are now or
we're ten minutes ago, she said, don't do that where
the slacks that emphasize your legs stick to the stocks.
(21:11):
I've never forgotten that.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think like if you find the silhouettes
that worked for you, and then accessor eyes with the
trendy things, you know, and you don't need to splurge
on the trendy things.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Like give an example, what are the twenty things? Give
me some examples.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I think like sunglasses or jewelry, or you know, the
way you wear belts, or I like scarves are coming
back and having a moment, you know, or maybe fun
shoes are easier and a cheaper way to kind of
come in come out. I feel like change an outfits.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, well, when if this gig doesn't work out for
your clothe would you come and dress me please?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I would, honestly, I would love to. That's my favorite
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh God, I tell you I'm moving in.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Kathy's clause and what I saw was more conservative Kathy,
and now that she's coming out, if you will in
the world and she's dressing a little more, not just
the classic look, but a little more modern, if you will, right.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean it's fun to play. I think it's
fun to try new things. I look back at things
that I have been wearing. And also I think living
in New York allowed me to really anything if anything
goes in New York, and it's interesting. Even being in
California right now, I'm definitely a little less adventurous, but
I'm trying to fight that just because I feel like
(22:34):
you absolutely, yeah, New York, you can wear a ball
gown to the grocery store and nobody.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Nobody, And you can wear pajamas to the met and
nobody's going to baden eye exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah. People would call it cheek, but I think it's
it's fun to be adventurous, even if I think it
taught me well in New York. And I'm trying to
bring that into my really make that part of who
I am.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
You seem like you were made for this rare really.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Oh thank you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And where were you born and raised?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm Mission Hills. You are from Mission Hills, Kansas? Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Is that is that not near?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Child? Please? Which to talk Kansas is because I do
my homework. I researched you. My sister's husband grew up
in Mission Hills. Oh really, you don't want to know them.
You don't want to know never mind, Sorry I brought
it up.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, nobody knows what Mission Hills is, but so I
just say Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But that was good.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
We go there, you go.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Now we're going to go into our fan questions and
we want you to be a part of this.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
We give them advice.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So we're going to ask you first for your opinion
or your advice for these people that wrote in. Okay, sure,
So this one says anonymous, Hi, ladies, I'm so frustrated
and could really use your help. I love my best
friend so much, but her insecurities are really starting to
become too much for me. She's constantly saying negative things
(24:10):
about her appearance, and it's honestly getting to the point
where it's triggering me. To give you an idea of
the kinds of things she would say. She never goes
out to dinner with me and my friends because she
doesn't want to eat before we go out so she
doesn't bloat.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I really don't want.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
To abandon her, but I need to protect my brain.
I work really hard not to be negative towards myself,
and her thoughts constantly creep into my head. How do
I address this with her? She's always says these things
in a joking manner, so I really don't want her
(24:50):
to brush me off. But you know what I'm saying, Thanks, ladies.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, I get it, know, I get it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I get So what do you think it's that negative stuff?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think I've definitely been in a few friendships like this,
And I mean, I think the key to life is
you have to love yourself before you can love anybody else.
That's just but you. You can't force that on somebody.
You can't teach that to somebody. You can just encourage
them and kind of hope that they, you know, run
(25:27):
with it. I think that, as hard as it is
to be honest, I'd be honest. I just say, hey,
don't you know when you're so negative like this? It's
it's and in fact everybody, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, negativity. I mean, if that's what this is about, oh,
absolutely yourself down.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
She won't eat because her belly mine does too every time,
and I try to drink all this water by the nighttime.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
I'm like this big, it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with all that.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
But so for for the anonymous, what do you say
she does I have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I think she says something. I think it. Sometimes it
feels blunt, but I think if you just handle it
with care and maybe like lead with example and just
say hey, when I'm feeling this way, I do X,
Y and Z. And you know, I hate seeing you
be so hard on yourself, but it's I got to say,
it's a little hard to be on It's like affecting
me too. And I don't want this to affect our friendship.
(26:28):
But you know you're beautiful inside it out right.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't want to do negativity because feel.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
It's not that deep having a bloated belly, it's not
that deep, right.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And also, if you keep putting this negative out to
the universe, more negative is going to come your way.
Ye's going to keep you compounding this.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, you are your thoughts, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
To me, I'm making light of this because I mean
I get down on myself sometimes, you know, we all do.
They all do, And I look to my friends to
build me up and support me. But I also with you, Susan,
like I have, we've talked about this, I become such
a more positive person. Yeah, since I went on the show,
(27:09):
it just knowing that that was it, Susan mee and
you just just did it. But I think that I
like to be around positive people. I don't be uplifting
it's unly.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah. Yeah, I think being on the show too is
very illuminating because it's like you see a different side
of the world in this industry and stuff. And I
think that it made me so I feel so blessed
because I think that just naturally I just things kind
of roll off my back that it doesn't necessarily for
(27:41):
other people, and it gave me a lot more empathy.
But I think that you really just especially being in
the spotlight or something, you really just have to rise
above it and be like, you know what, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Care, But don't you think I want to know? We
both want to know what three women you know who
are your closest friends from the show, and we know
that one of them is Alex, but you know, A, yeah,
you got to say Alex. But but I'm also curious
what it's like at your age to be in a
confined area like you know, the mansion and then and
(28:14):
all the traveling with women, because I'm guessing that's not common.
It certainly wasn't common at our age. So yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Honestly, being like being at the mansion and stuff, that
was the least anxious. Like I was so relaxed, Like
you know, they wake you up and they put you
to bed and there's a grocery list right in front
of you. I was like, this is great. I'm like,
I'm gonna sit by the pool and then I got
to be somewhere someone's gonna tell me where to be,
Like just awesome. I loved it. I feel like it
was like summer camp meets sorority house.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That ours was, uh, summer camp meets fifty five and over.
So what are the women? Who are they?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Who are definitely definitely Alex and me really hit it off,
and it's nice that we're both So we've gotten to
hang out a bunch, and I've kept up a ton
with Parisa and Natalie too. I think we all really
resonated with one another.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah that's yeah, that's cool. And what did you learn
about yourself anything?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I think I.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Learned kind of what I was saying earlier. Just I
feel like my empathy grew because I was like, wow,
they're just because you pick you take twenty five of
the biggest personalities, but we're all different, and then you
put us all in one room and then it's a
stressful environment where it's every you know, it's like competitive,
but it's personal. And so I think my empathy just
(29:38):
really grew during this experience.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You felt bad for people, not even I.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Felt bad, but I was just like understanding.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, we're just we were hint, we're having similar like
it's not the exact same experiences, but it's affecting you
way different than it's affecting me. And I'm like, your
feelings are just as valid, and lets me sit you
under try and understand exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know, did you were you attracted to Grant or
do you know pretty early he wasn't your guy?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I think just from looks basis of course, yeah, he's
a great look guy. But I think you know early
on in dating whether there's this chemistry or not, and
it was yeah, I think you know, when we the
friend zone break up or whatever, I think it was mutual.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, for us With Gary, you get in the friend
zone like real quickly. And yeah, it's so good. It's
so funny.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
It's nothing bad to say about him. He seems like
a great guy. I'm happy he's happy.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Were you surprised that his final choice between the two
or did you have a feeling?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean, yeah, I think it was a toss up
just because of the initial sparks that we saw, like
flying and stuff. But I think that him and Juliana
are so compatible with one another, Like I just think
that they, you know, speak the same language and are
just like they're the same energy. So it makes so much.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Sense to me. Yeah, adorable. I want to go with
them totally, totally.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Wow, Okay, so you've got we've got to know you
a little better. Now we want to open it to you.
Do you have any questions for us?
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I love this question.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean I so. My mom when she found
out that I was doing this, did her like any
good mom, did her deep dive and and she was like,
I don't know how I'm gonna feel seeing women in
my age doing this whatever, And then she fell in
love with you guys. She loved it so much. But
she's like I just can't. And I thought the same thing.
(31:39):
I'm like, what made you guys want to go on
the show? I mean me, I'm like, I had nothing,
nothing to lose.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's I felt too. We were single, and yeah, I
mean it was an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah it was. To me, it was you know, it'd
be the same thing if I get to go on Paradise.
It's it's an adventure. It's I am I full romantic.
I really love it. I am I hope that you
can be the guy anywhere, right, So but for me,
it was an adventure to go on on Golden.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Batteries where we were looking for love, right.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I didn't find on I haven't found it on dating apps,
I haven't found it organically, so why not on national TV?
And I say the same thing, If I'm lucky enough
to go to Paradise, it'd be the same thing, you know,
Home Springs Eternal. So I think for Susan and me particularly,
we were very much ourselves and we didn't worry about
what people were going to think because we just were
(32:34):
there to be us.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Well, I think.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Watching it too, you can tell it just it feels
a lot more authentic and natural because you guys have
lived so much more life and have these true, you know,
stories and experiences and you're just in a really honest
point in your life where like you're open and read unapologetically.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I gotta say, I got to say, I don't think
I ever was not me. You know. People say that, oh,
you hit forty and you just become yourself, you know, Okay,
I'm like, yeah, No, I think I was always this way.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I'm saying, yeah, we have a lot more wisdom now.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
But yeah, yeah, well I think you guys were made
for it too. I love that you.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I would also say, the older you get, or at
least the older I've gotten, so much of what I
worry about think about. It's minutia. You know, somebody wrote
a book once, a long time ago. Everything I needed
to know I learned in kindergarten. Like, you know, that's
kind of it. Like the rest of it just doesn't matter,
(33:36):
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, people their age going on the show, they're looking
at a marriage and a future and babies, a family.
It's a whole different to you know, somebody to do
the last chapter with, to enjoy, someone.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
To travel with, someone to have fun with. In my case,
someone who wants to cook for me?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
True, you need an Italian katy, our frenchman.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
My man can cook.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Susan's the town and her French boyfriend cooks. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We love that and I'm so glad you have found
your person.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm so happy.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We want to come to the wedding.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
No, I want to perform the wedding.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm sorry, of.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Course, Well he's got he's gone on first.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Okay, well tell.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Me we have.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I can. I can make these things happen. I can
do it. We're really real nice and twist his arm
a little bit. Yeah, it won't hurt him too much.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I hope you keep glowing with that beautiful, beautiful smile you.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
So much about. Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Absolutely that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy
Hours Golden Hour. Thank you to our beautiful, lovely glass
guest Chloe. Thank you for joining us and sharing all
your experience and your love.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I love it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It has been great having you. You shine, you glow,
you you exum happiness. You just exude happiness. It's great
to see. And you have two tuins over there. Thank you'
all out there for joining us. We hope you enjoyed
this episode. Be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour because
we have new episodes and sounds like we got a
(35:23):
whole bunch of new love stories coming your way, so
you want want to miss a one.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Don't you love it? Springing the air, Loving the air.
Make sure to keep submitting your questions. We love answering
them and you know how to do it. You can
go to bachelornation dot com, slash Golden Hour, or dm
us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hours.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
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