December 2, 2025 • 31 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” Juliana joins Joe and Serena to catch us up and spill all the tea! After a long healing journey, she’s ready to look back on her relationship with Grant — so what really happened leading up to their breakup? Juliana opens up about how things fell apart, the aftermath, and where the two stand today. She also fills us in on her dating life; what’s it like to date after being on reality TV? And could “Paradise” be in her future? Plus, we dive into Carolina’s recent podcast episode, Juliana and Litia’s dynamic before and after the finale, and the final words Juliana has been holding onto. Tune in now, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, well, welcome back to that You're Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I's Serena and we are here today with Juliana. Juliana,
welcome back to batter Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thanks for having me guys, no problem.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Where are you today?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I'm in Newton, Massachusetts. I'm at my parents' house today.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Last time we had you on this podcast was post finale.
I think we did like a little catch up with
you and Grant. You guys were about to go on
a trip with your family.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Jesus, Serena, don't rub it in.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, that's the last time we saw her. That's just
a fact.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah, you know, a lot a lots haven't since then.
We're gonna get into it. Yeah yeah, yeah, But how
are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What's new? Catch us up?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Everything's been going really great lately in life, which I'm
really lucky for. Just crushing it in my nine to
five and me and my sister launched our Nice Girls
label back in June. That's been so fun and so
amazing and yeah, just getting ready for the holiday season.
(01:07):
It is Q four is kicking my ass.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What what has dating life been like for you? Are
you dating?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I have.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I have been dating. It's been really fun. But recently
I actually went on like what they call a stoop date.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And okay, I saw this.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I think, yeah, so I just moved to Southie in
September and they have her name is Jules and she
does stoop dating, so she'll like people will apply and
then she'll like matchmake you before you know, like who
you're gonna be dating. It's like a blind date, but
on a stoop and Southie, like on her front steps.
And that went really well. It was fun, it was cute.
(01:51):
We went on a couple of dates afterwards. But unfortunately
he told me like he couldn't handle the people coming
up to him asking him questions, sending him DMS about me.
So I was like, totally understand, no hard feelings.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Gosh, that's so interesting. I I've wed weirdly enough. I've
never dated outside. Sorry, I'm just like my brain just
glitching because I'm just realizing that since I went on
the show, I never dated anyone not on.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The show, because I got engaged on the show. So
I've never experienced what it's like to date. After being
on reality television and.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
The fact that people reach out to this person that
you've been on a few dates with is wild to me.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's still, like, I think,
brand new for people to see me dating, and it
was a public you know, like dating podcast per se.
So I think people were invested and kind of wanted
to do their own research. I think I've learned and
I will be keeping my next relationship a little bit
more on the down low.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I think if you, like, if you if you start
someone and then like six months down.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
The road, like you post like a photo of like our.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Six month engagement, like, I don't think that would have
the same reaction opposed to like meeting somebody on like
a virtual right.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I guess that kind of opens the door because you're
sharing like, oh, I'm meeting this person and we might date,
and then it kind of opens the roof for people
feel comfortable commenting on it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, totally, it's fair.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I assume when they started casting for this past season
of Paradise you were pretty like newly single, So I'm
assuming that's probably why you didn't do it. But if
they were to ask you to do the upcoming season,
would you?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I think I'm far enough away from like kind
of the emotions of everything that I went through. It
was like challenging to even comprehend the thought of like
going on another dating reality show. But you know, I
learned a lot and I'm sitting here a better person
than I was before I went on. So I would
(04:03):
I would be interested.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, maybe we'll see.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So so let's say you agree. Mm hmm, you're packing
your bags. Yeah, what is your plan?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What do you if you've you've seen Paradise before, I'm
assuming did you watch this last season?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I watched a little a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, okay, so what's what's going through you?
Speaker 6 (04:24):
What do you? What's the plan?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I think it's just to go in with like a
super open mind. You know, when you go on the Bachelor,
it's like you know who you're going for, so you're kind.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Of laser focused.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I think on like getting to know them and making
sure they know you. But I think I would hold
my cards a little bit closer to my chest and
just try and like get to know everybody, whether it's
on like a friendly level or something romantic that I
could see. I have no idea how I would do
with like those like physical challenges. To be honest, that
would probably send.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Me over the edge.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But if Gia Judice can be the queen of whatever
show she was just on where they really like tore
her down, like I feel like I could.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Forces Yes, I was like wait what and then yeah,
I that we didn't watch that season. We've only seen
a few episodes of that show. But that show is intense,
and you do have people that don't come out of
like sports backgrounds or Olympians or whatever that like do
go on and they just crush.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I thought to myself, like, you know, seeing them
on Bachelor in Paradise, I was like, damn, it gave
me kind of like PTSD from the Basketball date. Like
I am not like a physical activity type of gal,
but like if you put me in those positions, I
guess like just something in me takes over. So I
feel like there's a slight chance I could have, like
(05:51):
you know, a chance at crushing it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I'm curious to see if the formatting changes or stays
the same, or what ends up happening next season.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think it changes.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I think it changes too.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Does that kind of play into your decision at all
of like, ooh, I could be walking into something that
I don't actually know what it is, because they did
kind of blindside them this season with like the competition element,
the money, the new format, all the things.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, I think, I mean regardless, I would be putting
myself in a like a new position and really just
trying to like go into it with, like I said,
an open mind for whatever comes my way. I don't
know that if they, you know, announced they were changing
the format, if that would sway me one way or
the other. I think I would just have to be
in a mindset where I want to meet somebody from
(06:43):
within Bachelor Nation on a beach and just kind of
have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Would you be okay with your ex being there?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That's how you guys met, right or well met on Paradise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
There was that situation, but yeah, that wasn't like you
you don't know going into it, So like, yeah, going
in the paradise.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And then all of a sudden, you know, Grant comes
walking down. Is that yeah, could you handle that?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I like to think yes, but I you know, I
don't know what emotions kind of would come flooding out
of me if that was the case, if that like
came to reality, I'm sure my heart would like sink,
you know a little bit. And I know it would
be a bit uncomfortable to see him talking and kind
of forming those relationships. But then I would also be
(07:36):
like kind of self conscious about him seeing me do
that without trying to upset him, So it would be
really hard to navigate, to be quite honest, I would
probably pack up my stuff and go the minute his
like feet touched the sand. But that would just be
for my peace of mind. No bad blood, nothing of
like that nature.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, you're good friends with Ali Joe, right. Yeah, she
didn't find love on the show, but it seems like
her and Sam em are.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Oh I was gonna ask are they still together?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, they're doing great. You know, they're managing the long
distance really well. I just I see her glowing and
she seems really really happy. So I think Sam for
giving my girl a little love that she deserves.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I was bummed that they didn't cross pass because they
definitely were both going into the show interested in one another.
I mean they both had said it before filming on
this podcast, I think, so we were kind of waiting
to see them cross pass because I don't think it
was any secret that they were both interested in each other,
and obviously he was gone before she made her way,
so I was happy to see them connect after.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Everything works out the way it's supposed to do, so
if they didn't meet on the beach, they were definitely
sure it's all going to make sure they met outside
the beach.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, after the way everything played out for you, Hey,
do you are you in grant on good terms?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Do you guys talk or no? Just like whatever?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, we don't talk. We have talked since the breakup, which.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Is I think why I got a little defensive when
he said we didn't, just because I didn't understand the
logic behind that.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But you know, we don't talk.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
I wish him well, to be honest, if you could
go back to night one and be like a little
angel on your.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Shoulder, what would you tell yourself? What would you warn yourself?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Knowing what I know now, Yeah, ask more questions.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I think in the heat of the moment, you feel
like a lot of this is getting somebody to get.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To know you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I don't think there's a too much focus on making
sure they know they you know who you are, so
you know, asking questions just about his goals, his life, dreams,
where he sees himself, you know, after all of this,
And to be quite frank, I don't think that even
(10:16):
if had I asked those questions that I would have gotten,
like not to say truthful answers, because that's like I
don't mean to say he's like lied or any of that.
I just mean I don't think he knew the answer
to those questions. So I don't know what answers he
would have given me, but I definitely would have just
(10:38):
tried to like poke the bear a little bit more
and try to make sure he knew my hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's yeah, that's that's really important. And I think you
make a good point because I don't think a lot
of people do that. And I didn't even really think
about that till we interviewed Pagan Mel. And that was
one of Mel's things about Peg was like she asked
me questions, a lot of questions about my family and
about myself. Yeah, And I think, yeah, well, because when
(11:08):
you're when you're a contestant, you're also like trying to
stand out amongst thirty other people, and it does become
this game of like I need to.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Let the lead know who I am.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, and then everyone gets so long and then everyone's
like I don't even know this fucking guy.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Literally that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I think that's I think that's really common, and
I think that's something that like people should start doing more.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It's so hard to like figure out the best way
to make the most of your limited time on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I mean, you know, there were things like afterwards,
like after filming, after the finale, I just like the
way I try to look at it is exactly that is,
like what what could I have done better for myself?
And there's a lot of things, you know, like hindsight's
the best, but I think I, you know, I let
myself down in a lot of ways throughout the whole process,
(12:06):
and that to me was like I think what hurt
I think the most honestly.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
At what point after the finale were you kind of like,
maybe this isn't going as well as I had hoped
it would go, Like was it kind of a slow
decline or was it like what was that?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What did the breakup process kind of look like.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Honestly, you know, like I know, Grant and I have
tried like our very best to kind of keep a
lot of things under wraps, just because I know that
he cares about me, and I do care about him,
and I don't want him to have any negative backlash
by any means. But I think there's a little bit
of clarity do here where I will say I woke
(12:53):
up from the morning after. Wasn't the finale, the morning
after the finale, It was the next morning after we'd
through all of this press. I woke up and there
was some words exchanged between the two of us that
made me just feel completely alone and isolated and like
I didn't even know why I had tried to stick
(13:14):
around for as long as I did, and it was
like heartbreaking for me. Like that flight home from LA
was like my sister luckily was with me. She stayed
with me to do my glam for all the interviews,
but I couldn't have done it if she wasn't by
my side.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was like depleted as a human.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, do you want to share what those words are?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You don't have to, No, No, I mean I think.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
The thing I would like to share is that, you know,
I had expressed some severe hurt, you know, and I
felt like I was kind of carrying a lot of
the emotions between both parties throughout the entire like watching
it back because I had a sports system, right and
I knew I could lean my people.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I was good. I could put my stuff on the
back burner till I needed to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So like his mental headspace was like my top concern
because I cared about him and I wanted to make
sure he was okay, and he was getting a lot
of backlash, and ultimately, you know, I had watched things
back because I couldn't hear things like live in it light,
(14:24):
live time. I guess that what you want to call it.
But like I had watched things back, and I had
knew basically everything. Nothing Latia said had like struck a nerve.
I think it was just the matter of how it
was handled from his end and trying to get him
to take some accountability in that. And I was really
upset and I probably spoke out of anger and said
(14:47):
some really hurtful things that night before, and then when
we woke up, the first thing he said to me
was like he had gain planned like different ways we
could announce our breakup. And I hadn't even made that
decision and on my end, and I was supposed to
be leaving to go to La, I mean to come
home from LA and I was like, that's how we're
(15:08):
going to start this day and have this conversation. And
after everything I felt like I did for us and
putting myself on the back burner.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Like it's back to the optics. It's back to.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
What people are going to think and like, not about
us and our relationship, it's what the outside world thinks.
And I just I couldn't handle that anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yeah, the audience, I think it's hard. The audience sometimes
becomes a third person in your relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, so that was rough. Yeah, that's very tough.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
As we laughed, Okay, so we do.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think Carolina did recently did a podcast Ben in
Ashley's podcast, Yeah almost famous.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Have you heard any clips from the podcast or anything
about what was said by her?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
No, I just I saw the teaser pop up on
my Instagram where she said she's gonna be very honest
about her thoughts on me. But you know, in the
nicest way possible, I simply do not care. I don't
have the time or energy to listen to what she
thinks of me, or how she felt I was, or
(16:26):
how you know, how she views me. I think that
you know, when she started to utilize my breakup as
a way for her to get some like clout online
or to kind of come back into the limelight and
speak her truth on our relationship and then go ahead
and text me to let me know that she was
(16:47):
strategically doing things online but private, privately wishing me well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I say this in the nicest possible way, but in
the wise words of Taylor Frankie Paul, that's a snake
in the grass and I'm not a gardener, so she
can live there all she wants, but I'm not going
to take her out.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you watch Do you watch The Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't really obsessed with it. Yeah, good on my
list of things like to watch.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Especially with Taylor being the new bachelorette, I like want
to know her. I think she's so cool and unique,
like for all the reasons, and so I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I think it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
I think it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Really, I think it's going to be a really good season. Yeah,
what was I going to ask? Who are you friends
with from your seasons or anyone that you actually still
talk to now?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, I talked to Ali Joe, of course, I see
her quite a lot when I go to Florida. I
talked to Parisa and Beverly. You know, there's a few
girls that we just kind of like show love online,
don't like really text all that much. But you know,
I have love for all all the girls on the season,
(18:02):
and I'm silently all of their fans.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Are you and Latia good? Was there ever like beef with.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You guys, Like a conversation had between you guys?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
No, I feel like I'm just like spilling all the
tea here today, But do it? You know, I think
it's not something I want to like talk too much
about because it's something I've like kind of healed and
moved on from, to be honest, But me and Latia's
relationship was pretty complicated from like the first ever FaceTime
we had. It was me her and Sarah Fina and
(18:41):
I'd spoken to like the other girls, and you know,
no one had like really confirmed or knew how it ended,
and everyone was treading so lightly and cautiously with me,
and I appreciate them all so much for that. And
her and I and Sarafina were doing the same thing,
just kind of like catching up. And then she sprung
it on me towards the end of the call that
(19:03):
you know, her producer had told her how everything ended.
And I was totally caught off guard, and I was like,
oh shit, like I haven't told any of the girls.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hadn't even told Ali Joe.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I was just like so anxious, and I walked her
kind of through like everything that happened in the best
way that was like kind of the most polite. I
felt so uncomfortable and sad, but I knew she kind
of wanted to know, and I wanted to give her
maybe some closure with that, and I expressed that, you know,
(19:32):
I was really, really really anxious for the other girls
to find out. I didn't want it to deter you know,
our friendships. And she promised me, you know, she wouldn't
tell anybody, and she did, and she told multiple girls
and they called me and said, Lysia told me the news,
blah blah blah, and you know, they were all so
gracious about it, and it's not about the fact that
(19:52):
I didn't want them to know. It was just I
was in such a fragile kind of time frame right then,
and I was trying to find the words and also
understand everything I had just been through, and so I
think from there, I told my sister and I called
one of the producers, who she was like, there's no way,
you know, her producer would have.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Said that, and like that's a he said.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
She said that, I don't ever think I'll care to
know the true truth of it all. But you know,
it rubbed me the wrong way, and it made me upset,
and it made me a little bit weary of the friendship.
And I try my best to like put myself in
her shoes. And I don't know that I would have
done that, but I could understand like the emotions driving
(20:38):
those behaviors. So I gave her grace with that, and
we continued to kind of just have a you know,
friendship at arms distance, and towards the end of things,
I was texting her, you know, saying you did great,
Like this can't be easy, you know, I wish you well,
And I texted her before the live show being like,
(20:58):
you know, at least we get to.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like serve on stage together one last time, like, I.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Know it's going to be really hard, and she didn't answer,
and I think that's when I started to kind of
sense I was unsure of the magnitude of her feelings
about it all, and I wasn't going to intrude myself
in her healing process or prevent her or make her
feel like she couldn't speak her truth because we had
(21:22):
a relationship. So I thought it was best to kind
of like withdraw myself, and that's what I did.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, damn, what show were you on?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is a did you ever think when you like
signed up for this and when you got ready to
go on, did you ever think like this would be
your experience? Because it is pretty I mean, it sounds
pretty heavy. Like as we're asking you all these questions,
I'm kind of like, damn, yes, this this kind of sucked.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, honestly, you know it, It felt like it did
in the moment, and like I'm not lying when I
like was a shell of a human for a little bit.
After the finale and even throughout watching it all back,
I totally disassociated and just was like I just got
to get through it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I just got to get through it and then I
can figure my shit out, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
But it was it can end in all sort of ways,
right Like sometimes they never they don't get engaged to either.
Sometimes you know, it's it's you. Sometimes it's not.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sometimes it gets sent home night one. So I kind
of just went in being like, I really hope this
is all awesome.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It was when we came back from filming when things
started to get all weird and like uncomfortable, and I
was like, what, like can I like opt out? Like
can we just like end this season early? Like I'm good,
Like don't show me on TV anymore. Like I appreciated
all the like love and support that I got because
that was like insanely overwhelming in the.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Best way possible.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But it doesn't really mean as much when you're internally
fighting like some hard battles, and I felt like it
was just one thing after the other.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, you got hit with a lot. What did
your healing journey look like?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Just surrounding myself with my people again.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I think a really cool thing about why I wanted
to come back to Boston after all of this was
because you know, Newton in particular is a place that
shaped me as a person, as a daughter, as a.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Friend, and all these things.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
And I think Boston is a little underrated in a
lot of like categories from fashion to entrepreneurship businesses, and
you know, I think the healing part of me was
the ability to give back to my community.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, small side stories.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
My dad started at a Honda village in Newton Corner
as a valet, like over forty years ago, and he
worked his way up to he's now the general manager
there and his favorite thing is like giving back and
he's making a change in like the lives of people
he sees on a daily basis. And I think that
that was my goal and he is my role model.
(24:23):
So I just really locked in on like, Okay, now
I have, you know, over one hundred thousand people that
care about me, what can I do? And it was
I can give back to the people that helped me
get here. And that was just I think what I
like dove into. And luckily my sister and I had
you know, the brand and the platform of nice Girls
(24:45):
labeled to show up to all these really amazing fundraisers
and galas and sure like the notoriety from the Bachelor's
Maybe what they wanted me therefore invited me from and
I'm so thankful for that.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But when I was there, it wasn't back lurgely on.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It was trying to spread the message of like kindness,
inclusivity and just like loving yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Through the mission of Nice Girl's Label.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I think that that has helped kill me tenfold
because it's making me focus on really positive and healthy things.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Would you consider so? Yeah, I mean that all makes sense.
And I think like going back and like being in
Boston where you're from and around your friends and family
is like really important because it's just okay, like this
is my this is this is real life. Like everything
else was just kind of like this experiment that I
did that didn't really pan out. But let's say you were,
(25:39):
hypothetically you were to go on paradise and you do
meet someone and he lives in Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Mm hmm, are you are you can we go like Chicago,
New or.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
He lives in Chicago? Like are you are you.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Willing to potentially move for someone else? Or is it
like I want you to come to Boston.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
No, I think that I'm open. I think that you know,
Boston will always be my home. But like home in
the sense of where I feel like most at ease.
And I think that if somebody is willing to include
me in their life, in their home, like of course,
(26:23):
I would give them the opportunity to show me that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It just would have to be. It would have to
make sense.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I you know, I also had a nine to five,
and I have a nine to five that keeps me
kind of locked in at Boston, and I'm and so
like a lot of things would have to change. But
it's not to say that I'm so dead set like
never leaving.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like shoot, I want to move to Florida. You know,
I'm trying to figure that out. Like, but I'm open.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say, before we get close to
wrapping up here, is there anything else in terms of
like the perception of you, your relationship rumors you've seen
online comments people have made that you want to clear
up or address what we have you here.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, there's only one thing, and it's it's kind of shitty.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But I think that.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Taking away the breakup and the public kind of going
through being in the public eye, the ups and downs
of that, I think that the one thing that really
hurt my feelings the most and was disheartening was when
Letia went on a podcast and insinuated things about my
sex life, and then Zoe chimed in in the comments
(27:42):
online to basically confirm that Letia was talking about me,
to make sure people knew that. I only say that
because I think it was such a dagger and it
added fuel to this fire of she was the easy choice.
You know, he chose lust over love, and I think
(28:05):
it was so embarrassing for me to deal with that,
and I was embarrassed for my family. I was embarrassed
for my employer. I was mortified that, you know, people
that didn't know me would think that I, you know,
slept with this man just to get a ring on
my finger or to win a reality show. I think that, truly,
(28:32):
if I was her, I would be embarrassed for saying that,
because I think as women we do have to stick together,
and of course there's gonna be little tidbits here and there,
and things we don't agree on and hate spread whether
we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But to bring another sex another.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Woman's sex life into a public eye conversation when she
didn't hear it from the source and heard it through
the Grapevine and doubled down on it in the last
podcast she did that I probably should have listened to,
but I had my sister do the recon on that
is it's.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Disheartening, and it's it's.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I don't I'm not calling her ugly, but it's ugly
behavior and that's not the case, and that wasn't the case.
And I would just love to put that to bed
so that she can stop talking about it and I
can stop getting dms calling me some uncomfortable names because
somebody is out there saying that I'm sleeping around to
get a ring.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, now that we're on the topic of Lousteau, are
there any guys in bachelination that you would be interested
in in potentially dating?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yes, okay, let's let's Will you give us tea?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You can't give us all, but you could give us
how about this, give us initials.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Or see the season that they were from.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Oh, I'm bad the seasons. I can't do that. I don't,
I don't, I don't know it like that.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Okay, but you can give her about this.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Just I'll go as easy as a last name initial.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That's not gonna do anything for anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And if and if I guess it, and if I guess,
you got to tell me I'm right. Oh that this
is a crazy game.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
She's gonna give you one letter of the alphabet and
you're gonna guess out of the hundreds of men from
this franchise, which when she's interested.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
In Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, M.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Like maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Joe, thank you
so much for coming on.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And yeah, this was fun. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I was so surprised when you guys said you want
to be on because it feels like we're such old news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now, you know, never old news.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Never old news.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Everyone's still chatting about it. So we had to bring
you on. And thank you so much for being open
and vulnerable, and we're wishing you all the best in
your healing journey.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
We hope to see you in paradise maybe in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Appreciate and to our listeners, thank you guys so much
for tuning in the Better Happy Hour. Make sure you
download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
We will have new, in specive interviews for you every
single week. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Bye.
Hey, well, welcome back to that You're Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I's Serena and we are here today with Juliana. Juliana,
welcome back to batter Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thanks for having me guys, no problem.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Where are you today?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I'm in Newton, Massachusetts. I'm at my parents' house today.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Last time we had you on this podcast was post finale.
I think we did like a little catch up with
you and Grant. You guys were about to go on
a trip with your family.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Jesus, Serena, don't rub it in.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, that's the last time we saw her. That's just
a fact.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah, you know, a lot a lots haven't since then.
We're gonna get into it. Yeah yeah, yeah, But how
are you doing now?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What's new? Catch us up?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Everything's been going really great lately in life, which I'm
really lucky for. Just crushing it in my nine to
five and me and my sister launched our Nice Girls
label back in June. That's been so fun and so
amazing and yeah, just getting ready for the holiday season.
(01:07):
It is Q four is kicking my ass.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What what has dating life been like for you? Are
you dating?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I have.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I have been dating. It's been really fun. But recently
I actually went on like what they call a stoop date.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And okay, I saw this.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I think, yeah, so I just moved to Southie in
September and they have her name is Jules and she
does stoop dating, so she'll like people will apply and
then she'll like matchmake you before you know, like who
you're gonna be dating. It's like a blind date, but
on a stoop and Southie, like on her front steps.
And that went really well. It was fun, it was cute.
(01:51):
We went on a couple of dates afterwards. But unfortunately
he told me like he couldn't handle the people coming
up to him asking him questions, sending him DMS about me.
So I was like, totally understand, no hard feelings.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Gosh, that's so interesting. I I've wed weirdly enough. I've
never dated outside. Sorry, I'm just like my brain just
glitching because I'm just realizing that since I went on
the show, I never dated anyone not on.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The show, because I got engaged on the show. So
I've never experienced what it's like to date. After being
on reality television and.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
The fact that people reach out to this person that
you've been on a few dates with is wild to me.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's still, like, I think,
brand new for people to see me dating, and it
was a public you know, like dating podcast per se.
So I think people were invested and kind of wanted
to do their own research. I think I've learned and
I will be keeping my next relationship a little bit
more on the down low.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I think if you, like, if you if you start
someone and then like six months down.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
The road, like you post like a photo of like our.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Six month engagement, like, I don't think that would have
the same reaction opposed to like meeting somebody on like
a virtual right.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
I guess that kind of opens the door because you're
sharing like, oh, I'm meeting this person and we might date,
and then it kind of opens the roof for people
feel comfortable commenting on it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, totally, it's fair.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I assume when they started casting for this past season
of Paradise you were pretty like newly single, So I'm
assuming that's probably why you didn't do it. But if
they were to ask you to do the upcoming season,
would you?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I think I'm far enough away from like kind
of the emotions of everything that I went through. It
was like challenging to even comprehend the thought of like
going on another dating reality show. But you know, I
learned a lot and I'm sitting here a better person
than I was before I went on. So I would
(04:03):
I would be interested.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, maybe we'll see.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So so let's say you agree. Mm hmm, you're packing
your bags. Yeah, what is your plan?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What do you if you've you've seen Paradise before, I'm
assuming did you watch this last season?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I watched a little a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, okay, so what's what's going through you?
Speaker 6 (04:24):
What do you? What's the plan?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I think it's just to go in with like a
super open mind. You know, when you go on the Bachelor,
it's like you know who you're going for, so you're kind.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Of laser focused.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I think on like getting to know them and making
sure they know you. But I think I would hold
my cards a little bit closer to my chest and
just try and like get to know everybody, whether it's
on like a friendly level or something romantic that I
could see. I have no idea how I would do
with like those like physical challenges. To be honest, that
would probably send.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Me over the edge.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But if Gia Judice can be the queen of whatever
show she was just on where they really like tore
her down, like I feel like I could.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Forces Yes, I was like wait what and then yeah,
I that we didn't watch that season. We've only seen
a few episodes of that show. But that show is intense,
and you do have people that don't come out of
like sports backgrounds or Olympians or whatever that like do
go on and they just crush.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I thought to myself, like, you know, seeing them
on Bachelor in Paradise, I was like, damn, it gave
me kind of like PTSD from the Basketball date. Like
I am not like a physical activity type of gal,
but like if you put me in those positions, I
guess like just something in me takes over. So I
feel like there's a slight chance I could have, like
(05:51):
you know, a chance at crushing it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I'm curious to see if the formatting changes or stays
the same, or what ends up happening next season.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think it changes.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I think it changes too.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Does that kind of play into your decision at all
of like, ooh, I could be walking into something that
I don't actually know what it is, because they did
kind of blindside them this season with like the competition element,
the money, the new format, all the things.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, I think, I mean regardless, I would be putting
myself in a like a new position and really just
trying to like go into it with, like I said,
an open mind for whatever comes my way. I don't
know that if they, you know, announced they were changing
the format, if that would sway me one way or
the other. I think I would just have to be
in a mindset where I want to meet somebody from
(06:43):
within Bachelor Nation on a beach and just kind of
have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Would you be okay with your ex being there?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That's how you guys met, right or well met on Paradise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
There was that situation, but yeah, that wasn't like you
you don't know going into it, So like, yeah, going
in the paradise.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And then all of a sudden, you know, Grant comes
walking down. Is that yeah, could you handle that?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I like to think yes, but I you know, I
don't know what emotions kind of would come flooding out
of me if that was the case, if that like
came to reality, I'm sure my heart would like sink,
you know a little bit. And I know it would
be a bit uncomfortable to see him talking and kind
of forming those relationships. But then I would also be
(07:36):
like kind of self conscious about him seeing me do
that without trying to upset him, So it would be
really hard to navigate, to be quite honest, I would
probably pack up my stuff and go the minute his
like feet touched the sand. But that would just be
for my peace of mind. No bad blood, nothing of
like that nature.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, you're good friends with Ali Joe, right. Yeah, she
didn't find love on the show, but it seems like
her and Sam em are.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Oh I was gonna ask are they still together?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, they're doing great. You know, they're managing the long
distance really well. I just I see her glowing and
she seems really really happy. So I think Sam for
giving my girl a little love that she deserves.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I was bummed that they didn't cross pass because they
definitely were both going into the show interested in one another.
I mean they both had said it before filming on
this podcast, I think, so we were kind of waiting
to see them cross pass because I don't think it
was any secret that they were both interested in each other,
and obviously he was gone before she made her way,
so I was happy to see them connect after.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Everything works out the way it's supposed to do, so
if they didn't meet on the beach, they were definitely
sure it's all going to make sure they met outside
the beach.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, after the way everything played out for you, Hey,
do you are you in grant on good terms?
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Do you guys talk or no? Just like whatever?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, we don't talk. We have talked since the breakup, which.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Is I think why I got a little defensive when
he said we didn't, just because I didn't understand the
logic behind that.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
But you know, we don't talk.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
I wish him well, to be honest, if you could
go back to night one and be like a little
angel on your.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Shoulder, what would you tell yourself? What would you warn yourself?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Knowing what I know now, Yeah, ask more questions.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I think in the heat of the moment, you feel
like a lot of this is getting somebody to get.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
To know you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I don't think there's a too much focus on making
sure they know they you know who you are, so
you know, asking questions just about his goals, his life, dreams,
where he sees himself, you know, after all of this,
And to be quite frank, I don't think that even
(10:16):
if had I asked those questions that I would have gotten,
like not to say truthful answers, because that's like I
don't mean to say he's like lied or any of that.
I just mean I don't think he knew the answer
to those questions. So I don't know what answers he
would have given me, but I definitely would have just
(10:38):
tried to like poke the bear a little bit more
and try to make sure he knew my hopes and dreams.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's yeah, that's that's really important. And I think you
make a good point because I don't think a lot
of people do that. And I didn't even really think
about that till we interviewed Pagan Mel. And that was
one of Mel's things about Peg was like she asked
me questions, a lot of questions about my family and
about myself. Yeah, And I think, yeah, well, because when
(11:08):
you're when you're a contestant, you're also like trying to
stand out amongst thirty other people, and it does become
this game of like I need to.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Let the lead know who I am.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, and then everyone gets so long and then everyone's
like I don't even know this fucking guy.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Literally that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I think that's I think that's really common, and
I think that's something that like people should start doing more.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It's so hard to like figure out the best way
to make the most of your limited time on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I mean, you know, there were things like afterwards,
like after filming, after the finale, I just like the
way I try to look at it is exactly that is,
like what what could I have done better for myself?
And there's a lot of things, you know, like hindsight's
the best, but I think I, you know, I let
myself down in a lot of ways throughout the whole process,
(12:06):
and that to me was like I think what hurt
I think the most honestly.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
At what point after the finale were you kind of like,
maybe this isn't going as well as I had hoped
it would go, Like was it kind of a slow
decline or was it like what was that?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What did the breakup process kind of look like.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Honestly, you know, like I know, Grant and I have
tried like our very best to kind of keep a
lot of things under wraps, just because I know that
he cares about me, and I do care about him,
and I don't want him to have any negative backlash
by any means. But I think there's a little bit
of clarity do here where I will say I woke
(12:53):
up from the morning after. Wasn't the finale, the morning
after the finale, It was the next morning after we'd
through all of this press. I woke up and there
was some words exchanged between the two of us that
made me just feel completely alone and isolated and like
I didn't even know why I had tried to stick
(13:14):
around for as long as I did, and it was
like heartbreaking for me. Like that flight home from LA
was like my sister luckily was with me. She stayed
with me to do my glam for all the interviews,
but I couldn't have done it if she wasn't by
my side.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was like depleted as a human.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, do you want to share what those words are?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You don't have to, No, No, I mean I think.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
The thing I would like to share is that, you know,
I had expressed some severe hurt, you know, and I
felt like I was kind of carrying a lot of
the emotions between both parties throughout the entire like watching
it back because I had a sports system, right and
I knew I could lean my people.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I was good. I could put my stuff on the
back burner till I needed to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So like his mental headspace was like my top concern
because I cared about him and I wanted to make
sure he was okay, and he was getting a lot
of backlash, and ultimately, you know, I had watched things
back because I couldn't hear things like live in it light,
(14:24):
live time. I guess that what you want to call it.
But like I had watched things back, and I had
knew basically everything. Nothing Latia said had like struck a nerve.
I think it was just the matter of how it
was handled from his end and trying to get him
to take some accountability in that. And I was really
upset and I probably spoke out of anger and said
(14:47):
some really hurtful things that night before, and then when
we woke up, the first thing he said to me
was like he had gain planned like different ways we
could announce our breakup. And I hadn't even made that
decision and on my end, and I was supposed to
be leaving to go to La, I mean to come
home from LA and I was like, that's how we're
(15:08):
going to start this day and have this conversation. And
after everything I felt like I did for us and
putting myself on the back burner.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Like it's back to the optics. It's back to.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
What people are going to think and like, not about
us and our relationship, it's what the outside world thinks.
And I just I couldn't handle that anymore.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yeah, the audience, I think it's hard. The audience sometimes
becomes a third person in your relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, so that was rough. Yeah, that's very tough.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
As we laughed, Okay, so we do.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think Carolina did recently did a podcast Ben in
Ashley's podcast, Yeah almost famous.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Have you heard any clips from the podcast or anything
about what was said by her?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
No, I just I saw the teaser pop up on
my Instagram where she said she's gonna be very honest
about her thoughts on me. But you know, in the
nicest way possible, I simply do not care. I don't
have the time or energy to listen to what she
thinks of me, or how she felt I was, or
(16:26):
how you know, how she views me. I think that
you know, when she started to utilize my breakup as
a way for her to get some like clout online
or to kind of come back into the limelight and
speak her truth on our relationship and then go ahead
and text me to let me know that she was
(16:47):
strategically doing things online but private, privately wishing me well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Again.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I say this in the nicest possible way, but in
the wise words of Taylor Frankie Paul, that's a snake
in the grass and I'm not a gardener, so she
can live there all she wants, but I'm not going
to take her out.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you watch Do you watch The Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't really obsessed with it. Yeah, good on my
list of things like to watch.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Especially with Taylor being the new bachelorette, I like want
to know her. I think she's so cool and unique,
like for all the reasons, and so I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I think it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
I think it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Really, I think it's going to be a really good season. Yeah,
what was I going to ask? Who are you friends
with from your seasons or anyone that you actually still
talk to now?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, I talked to Ali Joe, of course, I see
her quite a lot when I go to Florida. I
talked to Parisa and Beverly. You know, there's a few
girls that we just kind of like show love online,
don't like really text all that much. But you know,
I have love for all all the girls on the season,
(18:02):
and I'm silently all of their fans.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Are you and Latia good? Was there ever like beef with.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You guys, Like a conversation had between you guys?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
No, I feel like I'm just like spilling all the
tea here today, But do it? You know, I think
it's not something I want to like talk too much
about because it's something I've like kind of healed and
moved on from, to be honest, But me and Latia's
relationship was pretty complicated from like the first ever FaceTime
we had. It was me her and Sarah Fina and
(18:41):
I'd spoken to like the other girls, and you know,
no one had like really confirmed or knew how it ended,
and everyone was treading so lightly and cautiously with me,
and I appreciate them all so much for that. And
her and I and Sarafina were doing the same thing,
just kind of like catching up. And then she sprung
it on me towards the end of the call that
(19:03):
you know, her producer had told her how everything ended.
And I was totally caught off guard, and I was like,
oh shit, like I haven't told any of the girls.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hadn't even told Ali Joe.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I was just like so anxious, and I walked her
kind of through like everything that happened in the best
way that was like kind of the most polite. I
felt so uncomfortable and sad, but I knew she kind
of wanted to know, and I wanted to give her
maybe some closure with that, and I expressed that, you know,
(19:32):
I was really, really really anxious for the other girls
to find out. I didn't want it to deter you know,
our friendships. And she promised me, you know, she wouldn't
tell anybody, and she did, and she told multiple girls
and they called me and said, Lysia told me the news,
blah blah blah, and you know, they were all so
gracious about it, and it's not about the fact that
(19:52):
I didn't want them to know. It was just I
was in such a fragile kind of time frame right then,
and I was trying to find the words and also
understand everything I had just been through, and so I
think from there, I told my sister and I called
one of the producers, who she was like, there's no way,
you know, her producer would have.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Said that, and like that's a he said.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
She said that, I don't ever think I'll care to
know the true truth of it all. But you know,
it rubbed me the wrong way, and it made me upset,
and it made me a little bit weary of the friendship.
And I try my best to like put myself in
her shoes. And I don't know that I would have
done that, but I could understand like the emotions driving
(20:38):
those behaviors. So I gave her grace with that, and
we continued to kind of just have a you know,
friendship at arms distance, and towards the end of things,
I was texting her, you know, saying you did great,
Like this can't be easy, you know, I wish you well,
And I texted her before the live show being like,
(20:58):
you know, at least we get to.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like serve on stage together one last time, like, I.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Know it's going to be really hard, and she didn't answer,
and I think that's when I started to kind of
sense I was unsure of the magnitude of her feelings
about it all, and I wasn't going to intrude myself
in her healing process or prevent her or make her
feel like she couldn't speak her truth because we had
(21:22):
a relationship. So I thought it was best to kind
of like withdraw myself, and that's what I did.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, damn, what show were you on?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is a did you ever think when you like
signed up for this and when you got ready to
go on, did you ever think like this would be
your experience? Because it is pretty I mean, it sounds
pretty heavy. Like as we're asking you all these questions,
I'm kind of like, damn, yes, this this kind of sucked.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, honestly, you know it, It felt like it did
in the moment, and like I'm not lying when I
like was a shell of a human for a little bit.
After the finale and even throughout watching it all back,
I totally disassociated and just was like I just got
to get through it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I just got to get through it and then I
can figure my shit out, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
But it was it can end in all sort of ways,
right Like sometimes they never they don't get engaged to either.
Sometimes you know, it's it's you. Sometimes it's not.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sometimes it gets sent home night one. So I kind
of just went in being like, I really hope this
is all awesome.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It was when we came back from filming when things
started to get all weird and like uncomfortable, and I
was like, what, like can I like opt out? Like
can we just like end this season early? Like I'm good,
Like don't show me on TV anymore. Like I appreciated
all the like love and support that I got because
that was like insanely overwhelming in the.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Best way possible.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But it doesn't really mean as much when you're internally
fighting like some hard battles, and I felt like it
was just one thing after the other.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, you got hit with a lot. What did
your healing journey look like?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Just surrounding myself with my people again.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I think a really cool thing about why I wanted
to come back to Boston after all of this was
because you know, Newton in particular is a place that
shaped me as a person, as a daughter, as a.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Friend, and all these things.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
And I think Boston is a little underrated in a
lot of like categories from fashion to entrepreneurship businesses, and
you know, I think the healing part of me was
the ability to give back to my community.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, small side stories.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
My dad started at a Honda village in Newton Corner
as a valet, like over forty years ago, and he
worked his way up to he's now the general manager
there and his favorite thing is like giving back and
he's making a change in like the lives of people
he sees on a daily basis. And I think that
that was my goal and he is my role model.
(24:23):
So I just really locked in on like, Okay, now
I have, you know, over one hundred thousand people that
care about me, what can I do? And it was
I can give back to the people that helped me
get here. And that was just I think what I
like dove into. And luckily my sister and I had
you know, the brand and the platform of nice Girls
(24:45):
labeled to show up to all these really amazing fundraisers
and galas and sure like the notoriety from the Bachelor's
Maybe what they wanted me therefore invited me from and
I'm so thankful for that.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But when I was there, it wasn't back lurgely on.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It was trying to spread the message of like kindness,
inclusivity and just like loving yourself.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Through the mission of Nice Girl's Label.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I think that that has helped kill me tenfold
because it's making me focus on really positive and healthy things.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Would you consider so? Yeah, I mean that all makes sense.
And I think like going back and like being in
Boston where you're from and around your friends and family
is like really important because it's just okay, like this
is my this is this is real life. Like everything
else was just kind of like this experiment that I
did that didn't really pan out. But let's say you were,
(25:39):
hypothetically you were to go on paradise and you do
meet someone and he lives in Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Mm hmm, are you are you can we go like Chicago,
New or.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
He lives in Chicago? Like are you are you.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Willing to potentially move for someone else? Or is it
like I want you to come to Boston.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
No, I think that I'm open. I think that you know,
Boston will always be my home. But like home in
the sense of where I feel like most at ease.
And I think that if somebody is willing to include
me in their life, in their home, like of course,
(26:23):
I would give them the opportunity to show me that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It just would have to be. It would have to
make sense.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I you know, I also had a nine to five,
and I have a nine to five that keeps me
kind of locked in at Boston, and I'm and so
like a lot of things would have to change. But
it's not to say that I'm so dead set like
never leaving.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like shoot, I want to move to Florida. You know,
I'm trying to figure that out. Like, but I'm open.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say, before we get close to
wrapping up here, is there anything else in terms of
like the perception of you, your relationship rumors you've seen
online comments people have made that you want to clear
up or address what we have you here.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, there's only one thing, and it's it's kind of shitty.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But I think that.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Taking away the breakup and the public kind of going
through being in the public eye, the ups and downs
of that, I think that the one thing that really
hurt my feelings the most and was disheartening was when
Letia went on a podcast and insinuated things about my
sex life, and then Zoe chimed in in the comments
(27:42):
online to basically confirm that Letia was talking about me,
to make sure people knew that. I only say that
because I think it was such a dagger and it
added fuel to this fire of she was the easy choice.
You know, he chose lust over love, and I think
(28:05):
it was so embarrassing for me to deal with that,
and I was embarrassed for my family. I was embarrassed
for my employer. I was mortified that, you know, people
that didn't know me would think that I, you know,
slept with this man just to get a ring on
my finger or to win a reality show. I think that, truly,
(28:32):
if I was her, I would be embarrassed for saying that,
because I think as women we do have to stick together,
and of course there's gonna be little tidbits here and there,
and things we don't agree on and hate spread whether
we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But to bring another sex another.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Woman's sex life into a public eye conversation when she
didn't hear it from the source and heard it through
the Grapevine and doubled down on it in the last
podcast she did that I probably should have listened to,
but I had my sister do the recon on that
is it's.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Disheartening, and it's it's.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I don't I'm not calling her ugly, but it's ugly
behavior and that's not the case, and that wasn't the case.
And I would just love to put that to bed
so that she can stop talking about it and I
can stop getting dms calling me some uncomfortable names because
somebody is out there saying that I'm sleeping around to
get a ring.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, now that we're on the topic of Lousteau, are
there any guys in bachelination that you would be interested
in in potentially dating?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yes, okay, let's let's Will you give us tea?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You can't give us all, but you could give us
how about this, give us initials.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Or see the season that they were from.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Oh, I'm bad the seasons. I can't do that. I don't,
I don't, I don't know it like that.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Okay, but you can give her about this.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Just I'll go as easy as a last name initial.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That's not gonna do anything for anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And if and if I guess it, and if I guess,
you got to tell me I'm right. Oh that this
is a crazy game.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
She's gonna give you one letter of the alphabet and
you're gonna guess out of the hundreds of men from
this franchise, which when she's interested.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
In Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, M.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Like maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Joe, thank you
so much for coming on.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
And yeah, this was fun. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I was so surprised when you guys said you want
to be on because it feels like we're such old news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now, you know, never old news.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Never old news.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Everyone's still chatting about it. So we had to bring
you on. And thank you so much for being open
and vulnerable, and we're wishing you all the best in
your healing journey.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
We hope to see you in paradise maybe in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Appreciate and to our listeners, thank you guys so much
for tuning in the Better Happy Hour. Make sure you
download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
We will have new, in specive interviews for you every
single week. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Bye.
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