March 18, 2026 • 46 mins
Heather is catching up with ‘Real Housewives of Beverly Hills’ star Bozoma Saint John and keeping it real on all things fashion, branding and dramatic exits.
Plus, Boz shares new details about her two(!) planned wedding celebrations. Double the champs, anyone?
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather Debro. Terry's nowhere to be seen because I
have the most fabulous guest today, and today it's not
just between us, but this is the first take on
between us girls and I have the fabulus and I'm
just using one word because she's that fabulous. There's Madonna,
there's Shared, there's Bows, there's Beyonce, there's bows, welcome bos well,
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thank you, Hi Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And you know what's funny, I'm totally gonna throw this
whole thing to do it because I just was having
a conversation about what to do with my last name.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I was gonna and somebody was like, oh, how about
just the one name? Wonder? Yeah, and so now you
just said.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I feel like it's aside from God, it is, but.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's also a marketing thing because what's interesting is so
my name as an actress, Heather Page Kent, a great name.
Thank you, born with that name. Yes, don't really think
I'm a Heather TVH because I was supposed to be Alexandra.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You know what, don't I look more like a Yes?
All of this is making so much sense, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So it's supposed to be Alexandra Reagan Kent and then
my grandfather passed away, and so I'm Jewish, and they
name after the deceased. So his name was Herbert Peter HP.
So I got Heather pe. Okay, So there was this
Heather Kent in SAG so I went with Heather Page Kent. Yes,
all right, cut to and married Terry. Yeah, don't take
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his name.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You don't take his name at the time, No.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Because Dubrow When people read it sometimes they say d Brow,
which I don't care for. I did ask him if
he changed the spelling you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No you didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, yes, it's fantastic that you came into a marriage
and said, you know what, You've had this name for
however many years, forty forty years, and now I'm coming
in and I'm telling you we need to redo some
things around here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Renovation on the name.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, d u b r Eaux du Blou like, oh see,
I actually kind of like that. He wouldn't do it.
So I never changed my name. But then when I
got on Housewives, Yes, my first season, we had this
conversation about it, and to be honest, unwittingly had a
(02:16):
marketing conversation with aboutouts doing. Yes, yeah, and I changed
my name that year, had amazing party because I have
a party, you know, for any an excuse party, and
that's when she broke the ball off, the cake and
the whole thing. But that was my name changing party.
It took me fifteen years. Wow, to change my name
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is something to think about. So, yeah, why would you
would you not want to take his last name? Does
it have to do with your daughter's last name?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It does. So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I got married tons twenty six, so my maiden name
is long forgotten and gone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What is your main name?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Arthur?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So I suppose to Arthur for a long time that
I got married. And when I tell you, I don't
think we left the courthouse before. I was like Bosema
Saint John. It is and Bothma Saint John has a
nice little ring.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
To it, very nice.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And it was right before I really started making a
mark in my professional career.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right, So, throughout the twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Five years of working in corporate business, I've been known
as Bozma Saint John. Now, my husband passed away twelve
years ago and at the time it didn't I mean,
it just didn't make sense for me to change my
name because just because I was a widow didn't mean
I needed to return to my maiden name. Plus we
have one daughter, so I was like, well, let me
just you know, we should have the same name. It
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was hard enough going to an airport and trying to
travel out of the country, and they were like, we
need the approval of her father, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Like, well, oh, he's not going to be difficult, and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We have yeah, and we have the same name, so
it's okay. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
However, now that I am engaged and going to be remarried,
it has become very exciting. However, it has caused a
little bit of a conundrum because Keilely is not demanding
on what I should do with my name. Like he's
not like you must have my name or he must
get rid of your old line.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He does his first marriage.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, his first marriage, okay, and he's just like, you know,
whatever you think is best. So he's actually been very
chill about it. And so then I was like, gosh,
well do I I can't really beat Bosma Saint John
in a new marriage, right, because it feels weird to
have my late husband's name in a new marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
At the same time, I don't want to cut off
my daughter in this new marriage or the memory, and
it just feels like we are dealing with enough. Not
that she feels any kind of way, or that she's
been made to feel any kind of way, but I
feel like emotionally, I don't want her to think I'm
getting this brand new life and she has nothing to
do about her.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so what does she say? Obviously you've spoken to her, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But she's like she also, I mean, I'm both chill.
One has an opinion, Mary chill. Nobody has an opinion
very and that's not even like a pretend, like my
daughter is one of the most chill people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But she's just like, you're very thoughtful, You'll make the
right decision.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So maybe you hyphenated, but professionally, just go by BOS.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I was like, you know, that's a long half at all, and.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Just go with BOS. That's a long hyphen it it
is Bozma, Saint John Watson. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, I don't imagine enough boxes.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's not the form, the farms barely whole Bosma, let
alone the multiple is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Your wedding like planned done?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Girl, I have I've treated like a business.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean, of course, I have spreadsheets, I have status meetings, okay,
and I mean, but it's necessary because I'm talking two
continents three months apart.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so I have I have a lot to do.
And their big weddings.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And Ghana it's huge, gonna be enormous.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh my gosh, when are they? Are you saying?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, August twenty first is the Ghanian wedding, okay, and
then November twenty first is the Beverly Hills wedding.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you're gonna do You're gonna get married in Beverly Hills.
Yes where I can't tell you that, Okay, you tell
me later. Yes, we got married at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Did you.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh that's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh that's fabulous. Yeah, girl, it was good. That's good.
It was good. I say one magical, It really was
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Meanwhile, yes, you had your reunion on Friday. I heard
sources say sources. It was a very long day.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It was extraordinarily long. My ribs are still.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Sore from sitting up straight.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh and the corset.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, so I was sitting there like and I felt
it in the first hour and then there were like
twelve more hours af All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, we haven't seen your outfits. Who looked fabulous besides
you because.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You look Erica Jane.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That girl can really do no wrong when it comes
to fashion hits. It like knocks it out the park
every time. Jennifer Tilly had on an extraordinary dress.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It has been seen before, but it is still special
because it has her face on it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, you know, so that's the clues I'm going to Okay,
I like it. Rachel.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, Rachel was great.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But Rachel's so hilarious because she was like, Oh, I
decided on this this morning, and I'm like, you're like,
honey networks, I'm like, and the rest of us have
been like planning for weeks. She's like, it was between
ten and I just chose this one. And she looked flawless.
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Kyle was very understated, but it was a classic look.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I thought she looked fabulous.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I did that last year and they said I was boring.
I also had an Amazon dress on.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, yeah, you know what, But again, this is what
I'm talking about. You can do whatever you want once
you've reached a level of success. It's like, what the
hell do I care?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I do? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know what, I just find anything that I loved,
and you.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Just do you know what I mean? You're like, I
don't have to prove anything to anybody. That's what I.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Looked, not fabulous. Someone had to look and see.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why would you take this?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh well, I mean, you know, we're just chatting. It's
just between us.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Let me, I'm going to be nice about it, which
is that it was Ada.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
See I knew, I knew she didn't manifest a dress.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, see, this is why you see what I'm saying.
She said it. I didn't see.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm just asking, I say it. My job is just
too I did not say pursue a question.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You see what I mean? But then your psychic.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, okay, so her dress wasn't great and she did
not manifest it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well no, I think she thought she was manifesting something
really fabulous.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Now I feel sad for her. You know, I don't
watch the show, but I see the clips. Yeah, and
I just feel like, I don't know, she just this
is a very difficult show to come.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This is a very difficult show. And the thing is now,
just to be fair, that's the fashion for just one second. Okay,
I talk so much shit? Can I say shit?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yes? I talked so much shit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
About Sutton's fashion last year, and then this year she
came and knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Like Homegirl was hitting at bat. And at that she
looked amazed.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
By the way I've gone shopping with Sunton.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Have you she funds to shop with? Oh yeah really?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh she's great and you know why because she purchases.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh no, Now that's one girl who will take out
her credit card and any.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Girl I was.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We were indulting Gobana in Italy together a homegirl. First
of all, she says she lost her luggage wrong tag. Look,
she bought the store, and I was like, okay, well
you want to just slip in one or two things
for me too?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean, since you already.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Hear yeah, why not a little souvenir. I was in
New York with her, Well, I wasn't with her, but
I was in New York and Terry and I were
going to have lunch at the Louis Uton Cafe. So
I invited her to come with us and Candy spelling.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So I like to get terry little liquored up before
my shopping experience, and so I do that, and we
had the most fabulous lunch, the four of us, and
then we went shopping. By the way, I bought the
most fabulous stuff. But I have to say, just watching
Candy and Sutton go turned.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I'm sure it did. That sounds like a great time.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It was really good. Okay, back to a man.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So I see again, I did not say that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
All I'm saying is that there there could be hope
for her in the future. Even though I feel like
this dress was a miss. I believe there's hope.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Hope for her to be back on the show next year, to.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Change her style.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh okay, So she talks a lot about manifestation. Yes,
And here's my question about manifestation, because I've heard so,
I mean, all right, it's been going on for your
since remember the secret, Yes, it came out. Okay, So
we've been talking about manifestation.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Take it back to like teenage magazines back in the day,
when you would just answer the quiz, you know what
I'm saying, and then it would tell.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You like, well, this is what is coming for you
and yes.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yes, yes, here's the real question about manifestation. Do you
believe that you can actually manifest these things? Do you
think these things are just actually the things that are
coming to you?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That is a very provocative question.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So my belief is that there are many destinies that
are for us. Right, It's kind of like the sliding
doors type effect, right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
When that movie went up pick this one. So there
are many.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Destinies and depending on your action is what then gives
you whatever destiny is coming. Right, So it's almost like
pick your own adventure every day. And so for me,
I'm like, look, I don't think there's a problem with
thinking about, oh gosh, I want this thing or I
desire this thing and I want to talk it into existence. Sure,
but then also you got to walk the walk. You
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got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It's not just like let me wish and send on
my couch one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's like, you know, you want to find a significant other,
but you don't go out unless you're waiting for the ups.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Person like that, you answer that, I.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Believe that there are people that want things that work hard.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And don't get and they don't get them.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So what struck me I was thinking about this this morning,
I was thinking, is it possible that you get what
you were supposed to get? Like Housewives was not on
my Bengo car.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Right, So you know, I'm not actressed that I have
all these kids or whatever, and then I fall into
all this thing and then fall into podcasting and you're
taking all these other things. But is it just because
that's what was meant for me?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, Well I do think that there is a certain
level of like, yes, the destinies that I believe are
multiples for you have certain things for you, right, But
I also believe that like, if it doesn't happen for you,
maybe that's not.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The thing that you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I also feel like, you know, sometimes we put our
energy into wanting things that are actually not good for us, right,
you know, So it's not just like, oh, I want
to manifest being rich. Yeah, you know, I want to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Manifest Everyone should manifest that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, yes, but you know, how are you getting rich? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, is it because of this avenue that you've taken,
you know, this work that you've done. Because if you're
doing the wrong work, you're going to struct and then
you're not going to get rich and you're gonna be like, oh,
you're talking about I didn't manifest well enough. No, because
you were supposed to be in that lane to get rich,
not this lane.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I want to go back to how you joining Housewives
because what strikes me about you is that many things
and I think you're brilliant.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Thank you, bo.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I what strikes me is I think you're the
first person that's come onto Housewives and said what we
all know to be true, this is a great platform.
Because I remember reading something that people were like, why
would you do this? You know, you're so successful, You've
been a CEO, and you've sat on all these boards
at Netflix and Uber and all these things. Why would
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you want to be on Housewives? And I will tell you,
people will ask me, you know, oh, you have so
much wealth and success and fame and whatever, why do
you want You must be a fame horror whatever it is.
But I believe you're the first person that came on
and said I'm doing this because it's smart.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and it is smart, And I wish people would
just be honest about that.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's like, I do think that there are some people
who join who just want something to do or you know,
they want fame, they want popularity.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
By the way, if that's what you want coming on
this show, let me tell you can be miserably disappointed
because the kind of opinions that will come for you
about things that you don't even know people should have
an opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
About, will hurt your feelings.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, so you as well just stay anonymous and sit
and enjoy your life. However, if you see this opportunity
as a platform jumping off point to do something, to
say something, to bring attention to something, you're going to
be successful at it because you're going to be focused
and disciplined about the thing that you're trying to accomplish
instead of just sitting around with no agenda, no point
(14:47):
of view, no nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I always think that, like, if you're actually going to
put your energy into something, it should be purposeful.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
One hundred percent. When I left the show and came back,
I've talked about this, but one of the reasons I
came back was to show my allyship and I've been
able to do that, which is great. But there's nothing wrong.
And I know your roots are very important to you.
And wearing African American designers and all that, and it's
great to use the platfor that, but it's okay to
also use the platform for advancements.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Oh absolutely, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I think it's hard.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You should be strategic about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So it's like, look, we all know that some housewives
use the opportunity to start businesses, to promote businesses, etc.
Fan fuckingtastic, Yes, do that, you know, and also enjoy
the time having a platform for other things. So again
my point is that, like, hey, look, we're all individuals
who have something to contribute. So I'm not even judging
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you on what it is that you're bringing to the
show or to your cast or whatever else, but you
should have an idea about what that is, so you're
not just sitting there like a bump on the log.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh totally. I'm curious about how you think housewives market
themselves and what you think the big mistakes are.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh, I actually do have a lot of opinions.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yes, I'd like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know. Here's what's interesting, I think because I am
a pop culture marketer, meaning that like, you know, when
you become a senior level executive in marketing, you usually
have a lane that you're really good at.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Some people are data experts. Some people are analysis experts.
Some people are stats experts. Some people are prediction experts.
Some people are pop culture experts. I'm a pop culture expert.
So it's like, if you have a brand that is
big and pop culture, you probably want me sitting in
the main seat, you know, to help the rat to
make sure you don't fallen into any.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Traps in culture, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Because of that, I am very used to watching the wind,
you know, and feeling the shift and then being able
to be like boom, go there, you know, talk about this,
talk about that. So my favorite thing is when episodes
come on, what are people talking about most? And then
I go and talk about that thing even more or
offer another perspective, you know, so that I can engage
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audience about what is going on as relates to Also Housewives,
whether you watch it or not, I'm providing you enough
information for you to feel like you can engage on
the conversation. And I love that. That for me is
how I market myself in the show.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
However, if you are just sitting here and you're just letting,
you know, things happen, letting the narrative happen to you,
and you have no point of view. That is a
big mistake. It's kind of like how I feel about,
you know, personal brand marketing, how you know. Some people
are like, oh, well, I don't want to, you know,
focus on that because it'll make me sound arrogant or
full of myself. I was like, basically, it's called a reputation,
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and if you let somebody else run it for you,
guess what's going to run into the ground because they
don't care about you, right, But if you care about you,
then I need you to take a hold of the narrative.
So even if you're like, you know, I don't watch
the episodes, or I don't watch my shows, or you know,
it doesn't matter. Let people say what they want to say. No,
my dear, that's not how you do it. You've got
to actually be in charge of your narrative. And also,
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even if it is a bad MOE moment or you know,
something has happened that you don't like, yes, he's the
opportunity correct the narrative. You know, at least then your
voice is heard.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I always say authenticity cells. And what I always find
crazy when i've so I've been involved in the show
since my youngest kid was nine months old, and I
just signed him up for his permit tests. He's going
to be sixteen in December. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What always struck me was that, you know, people would say, Oh,
I'm I'm classy, My my brand is classy, and it's
like you're vomiting in the bushes. So guess what, it's
not as classy as you think. You're not classy. And also,
and I'm curious about your thoughts on this, is that
you really don't Well, you can decide your brand if
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you have followed, but really, you come onto a show
like this, you really don't decide your brand the audience
stuffy yah.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But there's also a way to jump on a particular
part of your personality or whatever is coming through that
you can enhance, or if you feel like a part
of it is not coming through enough, enhance that you know,
to add some balance.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The thing that I was going to get.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
To is that the idea of being one dimensional is
actually not great, right, you know, so it's like, oh,
I'm classy, Oh bitch.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Does that mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's like, yeah, I think I'm classy too, But I
also you know, I like I like fashion, I'm a
single mom. I work sometimes on occasion.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's like you can have all of those things and
still have the umbrella of like, I'm classy. But to
the point about authenticity, the mistake most people make, whether
on this show or in real life, is that they
actually don't show up as who they are.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And that is the problem.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You cannot show up and pretend to be something else.
There's no way you can keep it up for long enough, right, authenticity, Yeah,
it will slip and then all of a sudden you'll
be sitting on people are like, oh, I don't think
that's who she is.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, exactly, because it was never who you are. That's
so tough.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I mean, especially in a place like Los Angeles where
images everything and you walk you meet people. I have
to say it for me. Age has done wonders like
I you know, don't you think zero Well, I do
give some foxs. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm not a zero zero like, you.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Know, just wanting to change because somebody has an opinion
about you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I don't worry about what I'm saying anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I honestly just show up the way that I show up.
But yeah, I think age has been a real help.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
It is a help.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But I also think that like, if you know and
you feel comfortable with what you are contributing to any room,
that allows you to walk with some authenticity. And that's
why I feel like even in a place like Los
Angeles where images everything, it's like, okay, but what is
behind the image? Like what is your image? And then
what gives it substance? If you don't have substance, then
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that's the end of that. And I'm not even saying
that like you have to be some deep analytical thinker.
It's just like, if you're in a conversation with somebody,
why are you there, what are you contributing to the thought?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You know, if we're talking about travel or we're.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Talking about culture, you know, and like you were just
talking about naming conventions for Jewish people, I can talk
about naming conventions for Gandians, right, and we will have
a whole conversation about that. You're contributing something I'm contributing something,
you know. That's what I mean by authenticity. I think
people just think that means, oh, you got to be
really real about your opinions and this and that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, I'm simply saying.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Show up as who you are, the experiences you have,
the knowledge from the experiences you've had, and then also
like what are your hopes, desires, curiosities, all those things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's what authenticity means.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's not that like, oh, I'm you know now, I'm
out here, big and bad and I've got to be
honest and direct.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Nobody said that, Just show up. Here's yourself as yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And also that's why I to me, I feel like
when I make a connection with someone, like when you
and I first talked, I was like, you already know.
I'm like, all right, we're friends for life. I get
this correct, That's not an all the time thing.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No, it's not. But I also believe that, like you know,
they're just some people who are for you. There's some
people who are not for you.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yes, but I think it's hard for people. I agree.
I think it's hard for people to say, you know what,
that person's not for me. If they have power.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh but that look,
I have such strong opinions about that. Tell me well,
because okay, so it's born out of the idea of intuition, right,
which is that for me, it doesn't matter if it's
a company or a person, a friend group, it doesn't
matter what the thing is. It's like, if my gut
(22:50):
tells me that I'm not supposed to be there, i
am not there. Yeah, I am so disciplined with that. Literally,
I won't name the person, but a very highly important
per okay wants me to be a part of a
project that he's about to do in Ghana. Okay, I
don't know how many people have called me about this,
including him, and I'm like, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I don't want to do it. Feel I don't feel right,
I don't I don't. I don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't think you know what I mean, something is
happening that it's telling me that.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But girl, if I did, if I know, it would
be like, you know, lots of headlines and big impact,
and you know, people would be like, oh, just put
that together. Something is telling me not to do it.
And when I tell you. I literally hadn't argue about
argument about this last week. A mutual friend that we
have called me in like both it's like, this is
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a mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know, Like, first of all, you're gonna insault this
person like that's not a good look for you. And
I'm just like, well, if that's gonna like knock me
because I don't want to work with him and he's
gonna look at me that way, then I really shouldn't
have worked with him in the first place.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But That's what I'm saying is it is a very
very hard to do. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm
not just like trust the vibes and then just go.
But the truth of the matter is that we all
have it. We all have that thing, and not everyone's
good at that. But that's why you got to make
it stronger. Yeah, you know, we spend so much time
listening to other people's advice, making put and con lists,
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being like.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Girl should wear this or wear that. Don't stop doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
As soon as you stop doing that, your intuition will
get louder and louder and louder and better for you.
So I'm like, hey, look, if I like, like I said,
walk into the room, introduce to somebody, and I'm like, hmmm,
the vibes aren't vibing I walk, or I meet somebody
like you where I'm instantly I'm like, I try to somebody, Yeah,
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somebody I could rock with.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So I have been I've definitely really liked people that
I was wrong about. But I have Oh that's interesting, yeah,
that I have put time and energy into. And then
I went, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That was was no.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But when I get a feel about someone that's bad
and never wrong, never ever, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But let's talk about this though, because I really liked
that idea of like.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Sometimes just picking wrong people.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, have you done that?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I have?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Is that in business and in life?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So the relationship right before mine with a Kiely oh Man,
the wrong one?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Really? How long you're with him?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
A year and a half?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
When did you know he was the wrong at the
very end at the end, didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Know for a year and a Can you imagine I
was out here being fooled for a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And then I was like, did he lie to you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Betrayal?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And that's actually was so horrible.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I was introduced by a mutual friend and they knew
he was You know, I went and talked to mutual friend, right,
I was like, how.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Dar you are you still talking to mutual friends?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes, I am, because the mutual friend was also fooled.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
M F.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Just so you know, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Mutual friends dance for other things as well.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
See I didn't even make that to Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All I'm saying is maybe mutual friend not such a
good friend.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Maybe, but you know what, I have to be honest,
I haven't been as close with mutual friend as I
was before though, you know, so there's something there or
a girl guy.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, he might just be dumb. I'm sorry, I might
just put I'm almost now feel bad for m F
because all of a sudden just change the other side.
If m F was a female, then I'd be really.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
But she's gonna sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Dumb and they didn't understand like the male female things.
I'm going to give him a little.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Some of his close friends are now some of my
close friends because they know that's horrible.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, because they were like, oh wait, hold on, what
happened now? So I did? Oh good? You imagine pissed
him off so much.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well that that shows you a lot, right there.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I love it for me, for you.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Too, You're right that, like sometimes we have good feelings
about the wrong person, you know, but the real trick
is getting out, you know, cutting off the friendship, getting
out of the business, deal breaking upon as you know
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that this is not the right thing.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
How do you do that? Because I'll tell you for me, yes, please, okay,
for me. When I was living in Newport, it's not
a big town and everyone kind of knows each other,
and I had a few incidences with people that were
that were no boy now for different reasons. But I
know this is a crazy thing to say. Being on Housewives,
(27:41):
I don't like conflict. I know, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We'll unpack that, yeah, we will.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But I will say the way I decided to handle
those people was to be a little less available and
sort of elegantly extract myself. Now, you might be more
of a badass bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No, no, no, that's a good way to do it. Well,
I mean it depends on the severity.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Okay of the betrayal, the betrayal or yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I do also like to exit quietly A lot of times, right,
because then it just removes the yeah, yeah, because I
don't want blow ups all the time. I actually don't
have the energy to do that right exactly, but I
do like to cut it off early, or like as
soon as I know.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You cannot drag this thing out, you.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Know, So especially in business, if you're like, oh, wrong team,
you know, this is the wrong person. I should not
have even entered it, you got to get out as
quickly as possible. And in that case, you got to
rip all band aids off, like that's there's no easy
way out of that. You got to be upfront and
be like, you know what, I made a mistake, or
I don't I don't want to do this anymore, or look,
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this is actually not going in the right direction, and
so I have to exit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And you go, what about crossing the line with people?
I wonder if this has become more prevented your life
since joining Housewives, But I will tell you, starting as
a scripted actress, you have like a team around you.
Yeah right, Yeah, there's glam and there's publicists, and there's
agents and things, and you know, especially people that are
with you all the time, they start to become family.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, assistant I see what you're going and that kind
of thing, and yes, yes, you know, how do you
how do.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You manage all of that and maintain a professional relationship?
But you know, when people are around you all the time,
you start to share. Its very gets gray. So what
was that like in business versus now being on housewives?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Great question, Thank you bad?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
This is you're good, Thank you, you're good. Okay, So
I'm going to answer the business one first.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
For a long time my career, I would say maybe
ten twelve years, I was very much like this is
work and this is home. There was a very big
wall started to a hard line. I mean I was
one of those I leave my personal life at home
and come pick it up when I was done with work,
you know. And then my husband died and I was like,
(30:12):
oh shit, this is actually like I don't know if
I can even manage all of this.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I can't leave my grief at home. It follows me
to the office.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And it was actually a very distinct moment when I
decided to just tear the wall down. I had left Pepsi,
which is where I was working when Peter got sick
and joined beats by dre right. They were building Beats Music,
which then became Apple Music. So when I first joined,
you know, it was like Billboard and like the entertainment
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all the entertainment press was like, you know, Beats gets
a new CMO. It was very splashy in the business
world anyway. And I got there and my very first day,
you know, people like were spilling out of the conference room,
like everybody was waiting for me to come and give
this like fierce, like brave heart speech, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So I entered the boardroom and I, girl, I just froze.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, because I did cry because I just stood
there and I looked at them, and they were also eager,
and people had their notebooks out. I'm telling you, a
standing room, you know. And I looked at them and
I was like, y'all, I'm a new widow. Peter have
been dead four months, said. I moved from New York
to LA for the job. So I left my four
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year old in New York and so I'm going to
be commuting back and forth every week.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And the world is so dark.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I was like, the only reason I've taken this role
is because I need to look something to forward to
in the future. I was like, and so I need
your help. I can't fail at this. I was like,
if I fail, I don't know that I'll be able
to ever get up. So I need your help and
I need to win.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Girl. I won an army that day.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
People who still follow me today, people who still show
up for me today, from like.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Fourteen years ago, thirteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, And for me, it was the moment when that
high heavy wall between what is personal and what is
professional fell down. I found that I was a better
leader because I could share what was happening with me,
and therefore teams would share what was happening with them.
And therefore it's like, you know, the empathy and also
the understanding showed up in a very different way. People
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who would, you know, go the twelfth extra mile for
me because I had understood when they had to cancel
a meeting or relate to the office or whatever because
of something else.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I was going out at home.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Now to the very important distinction that you've made about
corporate life versus this life, is that there because I
have people in my home right who work for me
and who are with me as I like, you know,
poor Nico, my executive assistant has seen you know, my
breasts more.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Times than I think he has seen your boyfriend. Yeah exactly,
Oh for sure, over a longer time, you know what
I mean. And I do think that it can get confusing.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
However, for me, because I grew up in the corporate space,
I know the line between like you are my friend
and you are employed by me, you know, And so
there is still a line there where it's like, look,
you may have seen my breasts, but still if you're
gonna be late, you're not waltzing in here with your
(33:26):
coffee twenty minutes late and just like, hey, bows, what's
going on? No, you're first of all, you better text
me before you even missed the moment when you're supposed
to be here.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
And then when you come in, I need to understand
why you go.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And look, I'm the kind of boss where it's like
if I'm out and we're drinking champagne, all of us.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Pop and bottles, we're all doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, but at seven am when I have that meeting
with China, you better be as better be up, you
know what I mean. So for me, there is the
softening of the edges, but.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You can never forget that we work together. Did this
is work.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's very smart, I mean, because you teach people how
to treat you right, so you you we're setting the
correct boundaries absolutely from the beginning. I mean, but your
background is very helpful.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yes, that that for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I think it would be different if I hadn't spent
twenty five years running teams.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, it's interesting. You've been posting lately about you know,
things that women ooh should say out loud, out loud,
and that's been I have found it fascinating. But it's
funny to me because you talking about your experience in
the boardroom and being honest with them. I mean, look,
you you had an honest moment them which won them. Yes,
(34:38):
but you weren't in the coffee room going and now
let me tell you about the bills that I had
to pay on the you know what I'm saying, Like
there is a difference.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yes, Yes, you were honest.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
And you opened your soul a bit so they knew
who you were as a human. You humanized yourself, yes,
in that moment, which I think is so great.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
But you know what, though, I think the big difference
you've just made, which is that there is a very
thin border between like let me share myself, like personally and.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Let me gossip with you.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, and whether we're God's
being by my own life or like you know, look.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
We call it the water cooler.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't do all of that, but I
do make sure that Hey, look, you understand what.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Is challenging for me as a human.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Therefore you can help me with that, because that's what
we're here to do, and we're here to work.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
And so I'm like, and how do I help.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You with the thing that's bothering you so that you
can also show up as your best at work?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah? You know, I love how pro women you are
and pro team I am too. I didn't grow up
like that. I grew up with like a very nineteen
fifties mom, and and everything was swept under the rug. Yes,
like who's her dad? How did she get that part?
You know, it really took me a long time to
reprogram myself. But I love this whole team mentality. But
(35:59):
how do you you how do you teach other women
how to show up for each other?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a very hard thing too.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You know, especially on the show.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, oh god, Well, because I think for a lot
of my corporate career. There were a lot of dragon
ladies in there, you know, along the way, people who
had the mentality that like, if I suffered, you have
to suffer.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It's crazy, It's absolutely insane. It's like why would I
do that? You know, It's funny.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's like on the show Amanda and I get into
it about, you know, our online businesses.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
First of all, I'm like, girl, I have I've done this. Yeah,
I've done a million things. Okay, so the online.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Business week, why can't there is much women? There is
room for ever.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
There's a room for everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yes, And my point was that like, hey, look like
you want to teach manifestation, and people love that, God
bless them, you know, let them go ahead. But for me,
I'm like, part of what I'd like to do is
to teach each you know. It's like my online workshop
is about teaching people, particularly women, what it's like to
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then get to the top of that ladder that you're
trying so desperately to climb. I taught the class at
Harvard for three semesters, and then I was like, you
know what, not everybody goes to Harvard. You can't afford
the tuition. So you know what, I'm gonna make this accessible.
I'm gonna record it straight to camera in my home,
tell you everything that I said up in that class
over there, and you just gonna write it down right
(37:28):
here and make it affordable. Like you know, it's like
I just want to pay for the mix and the
cameras and all that. But other than that, like I
don't need to make money on it, you know. It's
like I have made money in other ways, so this
is fine. And that's the way I feel like we
should be as women who have learned something. Now, for me, obviously,
as I said, it's modeled after my experiences in the
corporate world. Maybe I'll do a workshop someday about this
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side of the business right or this side of the world.
But I do think that for everyone who has some insight,
those of us who've already been down this road, I'm like,
the first thing you should do is.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Pass it alall.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes, absolutely, do not guard it. And especially if there's
somebody else in your world that you can bring in,
do that, you know, give them the helping hand.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's like, give them the keys. Why why would you
keep it? You know?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
For why gatekeeper?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Oh my god, it's just so annoying.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So for me, I'm like, look, the best way for
us to ensure that women are helping women is for
you actually to help women.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I did a speech was it two years ago? Maybe
at the Maker's Conference? I love that conference, the Conference
for Women? And I think the title I can't remember
exactly now, but I think my title was are you
that bitch?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And not in a good way, you know what I mean.
Everybody's like, I'm that bitch. I'm like, no, are you that?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Because are you though? Because I want you to really
look just so, are you that bitch? The one that
gate keeps, the one that makes the younger ones pay
their dues for coming into the room that you're in?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Because look it's not there are those bitches out there,
so everybody can be clean, all right. So I was
looking at a room of like, I don't know, maybe
three hundred women, and I was like, some of y'all
bitch is in here.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Look at your neighbor and ask her are you that bitch?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I love that? Did people raise their hands?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Girl? Yes? I was like, look you can. I was like,
this is a safe space.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Raise you if you think you have been that bitch
off and you're knocking a bit, you know. But I
was like, I was like, no, I was like, this
is a safe space. If you've been that bitch, raise
your hands. You can reform.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Don't help you think it's also I mean, look, it's
I find some of this is generational, right, Like I
was talking about my mom. She's a great coal but
she's a product of her environment too, right, Yeah, so
we have to raise this next generation, like I will say,
and your daughter's a senior, she's a junior. Okay, So
my kids are fifteen through twenty two.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I noticed with them, like one my daughter's Max, she's
she's going to law school. But she's a brilliant singer.
She's amazing. And she would talk about friends of hers
and she'd be like, oh, mom, you should hear her sing.
She is so good. But just like so complimentary, so
happy when this one gets something. I mean, the polar
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opposite of how I was raised. So and I thought,
I didn't like, hit this over the head. This is
like us Moses and these kids they do you see
that with your daughter and her friend?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I just love evolution.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, you know, it's like the next generation should be
better than us, yes, and so we have to help
them get there. You know, I was telling my daughter,
actually this was a funny one, but I think it's
more it's a representation of how culture is right, which
is that I was like, look, when I was in
high school and you had certain musical tastes, you were
just identified by that musical yes right, your punk rocket yes,
(40:53):
your heavy metal people, yeah, your hip hop heads.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Or rat heads. Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
You know you're a theater kid.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You're a theater absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You're a cheerleader, your jock like people were identified by
certain characteristics and then they couldn't move, you know, there's
no flexibility to move from one to the other. And
it maybe it wasn't that like you were looked down
upon or bullied because you were a theater kid versus
a cheerleader, or because you were a jock versus like
the science nerd. But you couldn't be the jock and
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the science nerd, right, you know, there wasn't room for that,
whereas like now it's like, hey, look like my daughter's out,
you know, going to concerts of like indie bands, and
also she knows like every lyric to Kendrick Lamar, you
know what I mean. And it's easier for her to
navigate and move through friend groups because those boundaries don't exist.
(41:44):
And so I'm like, yes, we want to encourage that,
you know, and help them through that. I also think that,
like there's so many topics. I mean, it's like race
and sexuality and identity are all things that I'm so
glad to see evolution. Yeah, because I mean from our
mother's generation two hours and now our kids it's like
so different. Oh my god, it couldn't be and thank god, thankfully,
(42:06):
thank god, you know. But now I do think that
we also do have to be aware though, of certain
you know, segments of society that want to roll things back,
you know, roll back ideas.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
That's a whole other part. O.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Girl, we can't get started on that, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Like, we have to be careful because even though I
am so proud of this next generation for how they
think and how they are and you know, how open
they are with each other, I'm like, there's some real
angry people who don't like that so much, and they
want to re instill bad ideas, bad ethics, bad behaviors.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
That's why the conversations need to keep going. But it
is funny because I was going to ask you about this,
but it really ties in so beautifully to everything about
staying in your lane. So because when you were talking
about the kids and this one's a jock and this
one's this, we we had to have a thing. Yeah,
everyone had to have their thing, and you weren't allowed
to cross pollinate with all. Like you said, you can't
do the jock and the size RD. Well you could be,
(43:06):
but everyone wanted to put this this labelize on you.
But I remember, I'm going to say it was Martha Stewart.
To me, she was the first person that had a
lifestyle brand.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Oh yeah right. She wasn't just yeah, but she was a.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Gardener and she could make dresses, she could all these
different and curtains at anything.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And my mom was like that, she she's like a
renaissance woman like that can do all those things. So
I understood that character, and I thought, oh, and then
Gwyneth Paltrow also, yes, seamlessly, I'm an actress, but but
I also have all this other stuff, and no one
said to her, no, you can only do this Jessica
Alba's done there where there's so many women that I
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think have really opened up that you don't have to
stay in because I don't like the stay in your
lane thing.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Clearly neither do I.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, you know, because I do think it's important for
us to be multifaceted. And it why I think it's
even important for us in our time and age and
maturity to continue to push, you know, our own identities
and figure out new ways that we want to be
in the world, because I actually do think that even
though yes, the kids are the kids are actually going
to be all right, it's important for them to.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Also see us in our own evolution.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Do you worry that your daughter is going to move
across country to go to college?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh she's absolutely going to do that. Oh really yeah, yes,
she's definitely going east. And you know what, I can't
be mad at her.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I went east to I grew up in Colorado and
went to Connecticut for college and was to go to
school Wesleyan University, great.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
School, grade school. I loved it. You know, that's where
the weirdo school, small school.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But you know, people, you know, I grew up in
New York, so people don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Oh they don't know this.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
There's all these like schools that are so.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Hard to get in, so difficult.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And they're like these perfect little yeah enclaims, so they're
so good.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But I want her to go, you know, I think
she should go. And she wants to go to an HBCU,
so I'm very proud of her for that. Although she
is going to apply to Wesleyan because okay, what are
we talking about?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
She she has You know what's so funny When our
kids started applying to college wherever they got scholarships to
Terry on our group chat would be like, perfect, that's
where you're going.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Good, I'm glad this is set up.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, there you go, half straight exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
No, but I'm excited for this chapter.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna do when
I actually leave her at school.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Does empty nesting scare.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
You a little bit?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I think? You know.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
The funny thing is she were sitting here and you
asked her, she'd be like, my mom has told me
since I was four that she's going to move to
Paris when I go to college.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
And that was always my plan.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yes, let's go let's create a whole little, you know,
little society over there, right. I always said that. I
was like, well, when you go, I'm going to go.
You know, I'm gonna go do something else, going to
have a new life. And now I'm gonna get married.
So I'm like, well, I guess I'm staying here. Yeah, yeah,
I'm stuck.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is he transit or can he is his job here?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
No, it's not, but he's going to move to l
A at some point.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Oh he doesn't live here.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
No, he lives in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But that's basically here.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I know exactly. It's not.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I called it a long distance relationship. I got so girl.
They tortured me.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You could. They were like long distance sometimes it takes
longer to do from the Century to Silver Lake as
it does.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
They were like Francisco and long distance relationship. They're like, ma'am,
it's like two hours away.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
When Terry and I met, we were he was in
Orange County and I was in LA. That was long distance.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Oh my god, horrible horror.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Geographically undesirable.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
We would say that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Okay, okay, stop stop stop there, because oh there's so
much more to talk about. So stay tuned for next
time
I'm Heather Debro. Terry's nowhere to be seen because I
have the most fabulous guest today, and today it's not
just between us, but this is the first take on
between us girls and I have the fabulus and I'm
just using one word because she's that fabulous. There's Madonna,
there's Shared, there's Bows, there's Beyonce, there's bows, welcome bos well,
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thank you, Hi Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And you know what's funny, I'm totally gonna throw this
whole thing to do it because I just was having
a conversation about what to do with my last name.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I was gonna and somebody was like, oh, how about
just the one name? Wonder? Yeah, and so now you
just said.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I feel like it's aside from God, it is, but.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's also a marketing thing because what's interesting is so
my name as an actress, Heather Page Kent, a great name.
Thank you, born with that name. Yes, don't really think
I'm a Heather TVH because I was supposed to be Alexandra.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You know what, don't I look more like a Yes?
All of this is making so much sense, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So it's supposed to be Alexandra Reagan Kent and then
my grandfather passed away, and so I'm Jewish, and they
name after the deceased. So his name was Herbert Peter HP.
So I got Heather pe. Okay, So there was this
Heather Kent in SAG so I went with Heather Page Kent. Yes,
all right, cut to and married Terry. Yeah, don't take
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his name.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You don't take his name at the time, No.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Because Dubrow When people read it sometimes they say d Brow,
which I don't care for. I did ask him if
he changed the spelling you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No you didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, yes, it's fantastic that you came into a marriage
and said, you know what, You've had this name for
however many years, forty forty years, and now I'm coming
in and I'm telling you we need to redo some
things around here.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Renovation on the name.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, d u b r Eaux du Blou like, oh see,
I actually kind of like that. He wouldn't do it.
So I never changed my name. But then when I
got on Housewives, Yes, my first season, we had this
conversation about it, and to be honest, unwittingly had a
(02:16):
marketing conversation with aboutouts doing. Yes, yeah, and I changed
my name that year, had amazing party because I have
a party, you know, for any an excuse party, and
that's when she broke the ball off, the cake and
the whole thing. But that was my name changing party.
It took me fifteen years. Wow, to change my name
(02:36):
is something to think about. So, yeah, why would you
would you not want to take his last name? Does
it have to do with your daughter's last name?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It does. So here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I got married tons twenty six, so my maiden name
is long forgotten and gone.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What is your main name?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Arthur?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So I suppose to Arthur for a long time that
I got married. And when I tell you, I don't
think we left the courthouse before. I was like Bosema
Saint John. It is and Bothma Saint John has a
nice little ring.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
To it, very nice.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And it was right before I really started making a
mark in my professional career.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Right, So, throughout the twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Five years of working in corporate business, I've been known
as Bozma Saint John. Now, my husband passed away twelve
years ago and at the time it didn't I mean,
it just didn't make sense for me to change my
name because just because I was a widow didn't mean
I needed to return to my maiden name. Plus we
have one daughter, so I was like, well, let me
just you know, we should have the same name. It
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was hard enough going to an airport and trying to
travel out of the country, and they were like, we
need the approval of her father, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Like, well, oh, he's not going to be difficult, and.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We have yeah, and we have the same name, so
it's okay. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
However, now that I am engaged and going to be remarried,
it has become very exciting. However, it has caused a
little bit of a conundrum because Keilely is not demanding
on what I should do with my name. Like he's
not like you must have my name or he must
get rid of your old line.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He does his first marriage.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, his first marriage, okay, and he's just like, you know,
whatever you think is best. So he's actually been very
chill about it. And so then I was like, gosh,
well do I I can't really beat Bosma Saint John
in a new marriage, right, because it feels weird to
have my late husband's name in a new marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
At the same time, I don't want to cut off
my daughter in this new marriage or the memory, and
it just feels like we are dealing with enough. Not
that she feels any kind of way, or that she's
been made to feel any kind of way, but I
feel like emotionally, I don't want her to think I'm
getting this brand new life and she has nothing to
do about her.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so what does she say? Obviously you've spoken to her, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
But she's like she also, I mean, I'm both chill.
One has an opinion, Mary chill. Nobody has an opinion
very and that's not even like a pretend, like my
daughter is one of the most chill people on the planet.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But she's just like, you're very thoughtful, You'll make the
right decision.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So maybe you hyphenated, but professionally, just go by BOS.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I was like, you know, that's a long half at all, and.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Just go with BOS. That's a long hyphen it it
is Bozma, Saint John Watson. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I mean, I don't imagine enough boxes.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's not the form, the farms barely whole Bosma, let
alone the multiple is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Your wedding like planned done?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Girl, I have I've treated like a business.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean, of course, I have spreadsheets, I have status meetings, okay,
and I mean, but it's necessary because I'm talking two
continents three months apart.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, so I have I have a lot to do.
And their big weddings.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And Ghana it's huge, gonna be enormous.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh my gosh, when are they? Are you saying?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, August twenty first is the Ghanian wedding, okay, and
then November twenty first is the Beverly Hills wedding.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And you're gonna do You're gonna get married in Beverly Hills.
Yes where I can't tell you that, Okay, you tell
me later. Yes, we got married at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Did you.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh that's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh that's fabulous. Yeah, girl, it was good. That's good.
It was good. I say one magical, It really was
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Meanwhile, yes, you had your reunion on Friday. I heard
sources say sources. It was a very long day.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It was extraordinarily long. My ribs are still.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Sore from sitting up straight.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh and the corset.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, so I was sitting there like and I felt
it in the first hour and then there were like
twelve more hours af All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, we haven't seen your outfits. Who looked fabulous besides
you because.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You look Erica Jane.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That girl can really do no wrong when it comes
to fashion hits. It like knocks it out the park
every time. Jennifer Tilly had on an extraordinary dress.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It has been seen before, but it is still special
because it has her face on it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, you know, so that's the clues I'm going to Okay,
I like it. Rachel.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, Rachel was great.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But Rachel's so hilarious because she was like, Oh, I
decided on this this morning, and I'm like, you're like,
honey networks, I'm like, and the rest of us have
been like planning for weeks. She's like, it was between
ten and I just chose this one. And she looked flawless.
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Kyle was very understated, but it was a classic look.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I thought she looked fabulous.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I did that last year and they said I was boring.
I also had an Amazon dress on.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, yeah, you know what, But again, this is what
I'm talking about. You can do whatever you want once
you've reached a level of success. It's like, what the
hell do I care?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I do? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know what, I just find anything that I loved,
and you.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Just do you know what I mean? You're like, I
don't have to prove anything to anybody. That's what I.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Looked, not fabulous. Someone had to look and see.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why would you take this?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh well, I mean, you know, we're just chatting. It's
just between us.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Let me, I'm going to be nice about it, which
is that it was Ada.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
See I knew, I knew she didn't manifest a dress.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, see, this is why you see what I'm saying.
She said it. I didn't see.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm just asking, I say it. My job is just
too I did not say pursue a question.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You see what I mean? But then your psychic.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, okay, so her dress wasn't great and she did
not manifest it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well no, I think she thought she was manifesting something
really fabulous.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Now I feel sad for her. You know, I don't
watch the show, but I see the clips. Yeah, and
I just feel like, I don't know, she just this
is a very difficult show to come.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
This is a very difficult show. And the thing is now,
just to be fair, that's the fashion for just one second. Okay,
I talk so much shit? Can I say shit?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yes? I talked so much shit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
About Sutton's fashion last year, and then this year she
came and knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Like Homegirl was hitting at bat. And at that she
looked amazed.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
By the way I've gone shopping with Sunton.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Have you she funds to shop with? Oh yeah really?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh she's great and you know why because she purchases.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh no, Now that's one girl who will take out
her credit card and any.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Girl I was.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
We were indulting Gobana in Italy together a homegirl. First
of all, she says she lost her luggage wrong tag. Look,
she bought the store, and I was like, okay, well
you want to just slip in one or two things
for me too?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean, since you already.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Hear yeah, why not a little souvenir. I was in
New York with her, Well, I wasn't with her, but
I was in New York and Terry and I were
going to have lunch at the Louis Uton Cafe. So
I invited her to come with us and Candy spelling.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So I like to get terry little liquored up before
my shopping experience, and so I do that, and we
had the most fabulous lunch, the four of us, and
then we went shopping. By the way, I bought the
most fabulous stuff. But I have to say, just watching
Candy and Sutton go turned.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I'm sure it did. That sounds like a great time.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
It was really good. Okay, back to a man.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So I see again, I did not say that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
All I'm saying is that there there could be hope
for her in the future. Even though I feel like
this dress was a miss. I believe there's hope.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Hope for her to be back on the show next year, to.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Change her style.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh okay, So she talks a lot about manifestation. Yes,
And here's my question about manifestation, because I've heard so,
I mean, all right, it's been going on for your
since remember the secret, Yes, it came out. Okay, So
we've been talking about manifestation.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Take it back to like teenage magazines back in the day,
when you would just answer the quiz, you know what
I'm saying, and then it would tell.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You like, well, this is what is coming for you
and yes.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yes, yes, here's the real question about manifestation. Do you
believe that you can actually manifest these things? Do you
think these things are just actually the things that are
coming to you?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That is a very provocative question.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So my belief is that there are many destinies that
are for us. Right, It's kind of like the sliding
doors type effect, right.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
When that movie went up pick this one. So there
are many.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Destinies and depending on your action is what then gives
you whatever destiny is coming. Right, So it's almost like
pick your own adventure every day. And so for me,
I'm like, look, I don't think there's a problem with
thinking about, oh gosh, I want this thing or I
desire this thing and I want to talk it into existence. Sure,
but then also you got to walk the walk. You
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got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It's not just like let me wish and send on
my couch one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's like, you know, you want to find a significant other,
but you don't go out unless you're waiting for the ups.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Person like that, you answer that, I.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Believe that there are people that want things that work hard.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And don't get and they don't get them.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So what struck me I was thinking about this this morning,
I was thinking, is it possible that you get what
you were supposed to get? Like Housewives was not on
my Bengo car.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Right, So you know, I'm not actressed that I have
all these kids or whatever, and then I fall into
all this thing and then fall into podcasting and you're
taking all these other things. But is it just because
that's what was meant for me?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, Well I do think that there is a certain
level of like, yes, the destinies that I believe are
multiples for you have certain things for you, right, But
I also believe that like, if it doesn't happen for you,
maybe that's not.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The thing that you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I also feel like, you know, sometimes we put our
energy into wanting things that are actually not good for us, right,
you know, So it's not just like, oh, I want
to manifest being rich. Yeah, you know, I want to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Manifest Everyone should manifest that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, yes, but you know, how are you getting rich? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, is it because of this avenue that you've taken,
you know, this work that you've done. Because if you're
doing the wrong work, you're going to struct and then
you're not going to get rich and you're gonna be like, oh,
you're talking about I didn't manifest well enough. No, because
you were supposed to be in that lane to get rich,
not this lane.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I want to go back to how you joining Housewives
because what strikes me about you is that many things
and I think you're brilliant.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Thank you, bo.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I what strikes me is I think you're the
first person that's come onto Housewives and said what we
all know to be true, this is a great platform.
Because I remember reading something that people were like, why
would you do this? You know, you're so successful, You've
been a CEO, and you've sat on all these boards
at Netflix and Uber and all these things. Why would
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you want to be on Housewives? And I will tell you,
people will ask me, you know, oh, you have so
much wealth and success and fame and whatever, why do
you want You must be a fame horror whatever it is.
But I believe you're the first person that came on
and said I'm doing this because it's smart.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and it is smart, And I wish people would
just be honest about that.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's like, I do think that there are some people
who join who just want something to do or you know,
they want fame, they want popularity.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
By the way, if that's what you want coming on
this show, let me tell you can be miserably disappointed
because the kind of opinions that will come for you
about things that you don't even know people should have
an opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
About, will hurt your feelings.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, so you as well just stay anonymous and sit
and enjoy your life. However, if you see this opportunity
as a platform jumping off point to do something, to
say something, to bring attention to something, you're going to
be successful at it because you're going to be focused
and disciplined about the thing that you're trying to accomplish
instead of just sitting around with no agenda, no point
(14:47):
of view, no nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I always think that, like, if you're actually going to
put your energy into something, it should be purposeful.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
One hundred percent. When I left the show and came back,
I've talked about this, but one of the reasons I
came back was to show my allyship and I've been
able to do that, which is great. But there's nothing wrong.
And I know your roots are very important to you.
And wearing African American designers and all that, and it's
great to use the platfor that, but it's okay to
also use the platform for advancements.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Oh absolutely, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I think it's hard.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You should be strategic about it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So it's like, look, we all know that some housewives
use the opportunity to start businesses, to promote businesses, etc.
Fan fuckingtastic, Yes, do that, you know, and also enjoy
the time having a platform for other things. So again
my point is that, like, hey, look, we're all individuals
who have something to contribute. So I'm not even judging
(15:44):
you on what it is that you're bringing to the
show or to your cast or whatever else, but you
should have an idea about what that is, so you're
not just sitting there like a bump on the log.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh totally. I'm curious about how you think housewives market
themselves and what you think the big mistakes are.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh, I actually do have a lot of opinions.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yes, I'd like to hear that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know. Here's what's interesting, I think because I am
a pop culture marketer, meaning that like, you know, when
you become a senior level executive in marketing, you usually
have a lane that you're really good at.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Some people are data experts. Some people are analysis experts.
Some people are stats experts. Some people are prediction experts.
Some people are pop culture experts. I'm a pop culture expert.
So it's like, if you have a brand that is
big and pop culture, you probably want me sitting in
the main seat, you know, to help the rat to
make sure you don't fallen into any.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Traps in culture, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Because of that, I am very used to watching the wind,
you know, and feeling the shift and then being able
to be like boom, go there, you know, talk about this,
talk about that. So my favorite thing is when episodes
come on, what are people talking about most? And then
I go and talk about that thing even more or
offer another perspective, you know, so that I can engage
(17:00):
audience about what is going on as relates to Also Housewives,
whether you watch it or not, I'm providing you enough
information for you to feel like you can engage on
the conversation. And I love that. That for me is
how I market myself in the show.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
However, if you are just sitting here and you're just letting,
you know, things happen, letting the narrative happen to you,
and you have no point of view. That is a
big mistake. It's kind of like how I feel about,
you know, personal brand marketing, how you know. Some people
are like, oh, well, I don't want to, you know,
focus on that because it'll make me sound arrogant or
full of myself. I was like, basically, it's called a reputation,
(17:37):
and if you let somebody else run it for you,
guess what's going to run into the ground because they
don't care about you, right, But if you care about you,
then I need you to take a hold of the narrative.
So even if you're like, you know, I don't watch
the episodes, or I don't watch my shows, or you know,
it doesn't matter. Let people say what they want to say. No,
my dear, that's not how you do it. You've got
to actually be in charge of your narrative. And also,
(17:58):
even if it is a bad MOE moment or you know,
something has happened that you don't like, yes, he's the
opportunity correct the narrative. You know, at least then your
voice is heard.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I always say authenticity cells. And what I always find
crazy when i've so I've been involved in the show
since my youngest kid was nine months old, and I
just signed him up for his permit tests. He's going
to be sixteen in December. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What always struck me was that, you know, people would say, Oh,
I'm I'm classy, My my brand is classy, and it's
like you're vomiting in the bushes. So guess what, it's
not as classy as you think. You're not classy. And also,
and I'm curious about your thoughts on this, is that
you really don't Well, you can decide your brand if
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you have followed, but really, you come onto a show
like this, you really don't decide your brand the audience
stuffy yah.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But there's also a way to jump on a particular
part of your personality or whatever is coming through that
you can enhance, or if you feel like a part
of it is not coming through enough, enhance that you know,
to add some balance.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The thing that I was going to get.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
To is that the idea of being one dimensional is
actually not great, right, you know, so it's like, oh,
I'm classy, Oh bitch.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Does that mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's like, yeah, I think I'm classy too, But I
also you know, I like I like fashion, I'm a
single mom. I work sometimes on occasion.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's like you can have all of those things and
still have the umbrella of like, I'm classy. But to
the point about authenticity, the mistake most people make, whether
on this show or in real life, is that they
actually don't show up as who they are.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And that is the problem.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You cannot show up and pretend to be something else.
There's no way you can keep it up for long enough, right, authenticity, Yeah,
it will slip and then all of a sudden you'll
be sitting on people are like, oh, I don't think
that's who she is.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, exactly, because it was never who you are. That's
so tough.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I mean, especially in a place like Los Angeles where
images everything and you walk you meet people. I have
to say it for me. Age has done wonders like
I you know, don't you think zero Well, I do
give some foxs. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm not a zero zero like, you.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Know, just wanting to change because somebody has an opinion
about you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I don't worry about what I'm saying anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I honestly just show up the way that I show up.
But yeah, I think age has been a real help.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
It is a help.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But I also think that like, if you know and
you feel comfortable with what you are contributing to any room,
that allows you to walk with some authenticity. And that's
why I feel like even in a place like Los
Angeles where images everything, it's like, okay, but what is
behind the image? Like what is your image? And then
what gives it substance? If you don't have substance, then
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that's the end of that. And I'm not even saying
that like you have to be some deep analytical thinker.
It's just like, if you're in a conversation with somebody,
why are you there, what are you contributing to the thought?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You know, if we're talking about travel or we're.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Talking about culture, you know, and like you were just
talking about naming conventions for Jewish people, I can talk
about naming conventions for Gandians, right, and we will have
a whole conversation about that. You're contributing something I'm contributing something,
you know. That's what I mean by authenticity. I think
people just think that means, oh, you got to be
really real about your opinions and this and that.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, I'm simply saying.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Show up as who you are, the experiences you have,
the knowledge from the experiences you've had, and then also
like what are your hopes, desires, curiosities, all those things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's what authenticity means.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's not that like, oh, I'm you know now, I'm
out here, big and bad and I've got to be
honest and direct.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Nobody said that, Just show up. Here's yourself as yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And also that's why I to me, I feel like
when I make a connection with someone, like when you
and I first talked, I was like, you already know.
I'm like, all right, we're friends for life. I get
this correct, That's not an all the time thing.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No, it's not. But I also believe that, like you know,
they're just some people who are for you. There's some
people who are not for you.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yes, but I think it's hard for people. I agree.
I think it's hard for people to say, you know what,
that person's not for me. If they have power.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh but that look,
I have such strong opinions about that. Tell me well,
because okay, so it's born out of the idea of intuition, right,
which is that for me, it doesn't matter if it's
a company or a person, a friend group, it doesn't
matter what the thing is. It's like, if my gut
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tells me that I'm not supposed to be there, i
am not there. Yeah, I am so disciplined with that. Literally,
I won't name the person, but a very highly important
per okay wants me to be a part of a
project that he's about to do in Ghana. Okay, I
don't know how many people have called me about this,
including him, and I'm like, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I don't want to do it. Feel I don't feel right,
I don't I don't. I don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't think you know what I mean, something is
happening that it's telling me that.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But girl, if I did, if I know, it would
be like, you know, lots of headlines and big impact,
and you know, people would be like, oh, just put
that together. Something is telling me not to do it.
And when I tell you. I literally hadn't argue about
argument about this last week. A mutual friend that we
have called me in like both it's like, this is
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a mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know, Like, first of all, you're gonna insault this
person like that's not a good look for you. And
I'm just like, well, if that's gonna like knock me
because I don't want to work with him and he's
gonna look at me that way, then I really shouldn't
have worked with him in the first place.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But That's what I'm saying is it is a very
very hard to do. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm
not just like trust the vibes and then just go.
But the truth of the matter is that we all
have it. We all have that thing, and not everyone's
good at that. But that's why you got to make
it stronger. Yeah, you know, we spend so much time
listening to other people's advice, making put and con lists,
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being like.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Girl should wear this or wear that. Don't stop doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
As soon as you stop doing that, your intuition will
get louder and louder and louder and better for you.
So I'm like, hey, look, if I like, like I said,
walk into the room, introduce to somebody, and I'm like, hmmm,
the vibes aren't vibing I walk, or I meet somebody
like you where I'm instantly I'm like, I try to somebody, Yeah,
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somebody I could rock with.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So I have been I've definitely really liked people that
I was wrong about. But I have Oh that's interesting, yeah,
that I have put time and energy into. And then
I went, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That was was no.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
But when I get a feel about someone that's bad
and never wrong, never ever, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But let's talk about this though, because I really liked
that idea of like.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Sometimes just picking wrong people.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, have you done that?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I have?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Is that in business and in life?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So the relationship right before mine with a Kiely oh Man,
the wrong one?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Really? How long you're with him?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
A year and a half?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
When did you know he was the wrong at the
very end at the end, didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Know for a year and a Can you imagine I
was out here being fooled for a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And then I was like, did he lie to you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Betrayal?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
And that's actually was so horrible.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I was introduced by a mutual friend and they knew
he was You know, I went and talked to mutual friend, right,
I was like, how.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Dar you are you still talking to mutual friends?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes, I am, because the mutual friend was also fooled.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
M F.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Just so you know, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Mutual friends dance for other things as well.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
See I didn't even make that to Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All I'm saying is maybe mutual friend not such a
good friend.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Maybe, but you know what, I have to be honest,
I haven't been as close with mutual friend as I
was before though, you know, so there's something there or
a girl guy.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, he might just be dumb. I'm sorry, I might
just put I'm almost now feel bad for m F
because all of a sudden just change the other side.
If m F was a female, then I'd be really.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
But she's gonna sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Dumb and they didn't understand like the male female things.
I'm going to give him a little.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Some of his close friends are now some of my
close friends because they know that's horrible.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, because they were like, oh wait, hold on, what
happened now? So I did? Oh good? You imagine pissed
him off so much.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well that that shows you a lot, right there.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I love it for me, for you.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Too, You're right that, like sometimes we have good feelings
about the wrong person, you know, but the real trick
is getting out, you know, cutting off the friendship, getting
out of the business, deal breaking upon as you know
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that this is not the right thing.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
How do you do that? Because I'll tell you for me, yes, please, okay,
for me. When I was living in Newport, it's not
a big town and everyone kind of knows each other,
and I had a few incidences with people that were
that were no boy now for different reasons. But I
know this is a crazy thing to say. Being on Housewives,
(27:41):
I don't like conflict. I know, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We'll unpack that, yeah, we will.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But I will say the way I decided to handle
those people was to be a little less available and
sort of elegantly extract myself. Now, you might be more
of a badass bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No, no, no, that's a good way to do it. Well,
I mean it depends on the severity.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Okay of the betrayal, the betrayal or yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I do also like to exit quietly A lot of times, right,
because then it just removes the yeah, yeah, because I
don't want blow ups all the time. I actually don't
have the energy to do that right exactly, but I
do like to cut it off early, or like as
soon as I know.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You cannot drag this thing out, you.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Know, So especially in business, if you're like, oh, wrong team,
you know, this is the wrong person. I should not
have even entered it, you got to get out as
quickly as possible. And in that case, you got to
rip all band aids off, like that's there's no easy
way out of that. You got to be upfront and
be like, you know what, I made a mistake, or
I don't I don't want to do this anymore, or look,
(28:49):
this is actually not going in the right direction, and
so I have to exit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And you go, what about crossing the line with people?
I wonder if this has become more prevented your life
since joining Housewives, But I will tell you, starting as
a scripted actress, you have like a team around you.
Yeah right, Yeah, there's glam and there's publicists, and there's
agents and things, and you know, especially people that are
with you all the time, they start to become family.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, assistant I see what you're going and that kind
of thing, and yes, yes, you know, how do you
how do.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You manage all of that and maintain a professional relationship?
But you know, when people are around you all the time,
you start to share. Its very gets gray. So what
was that like in business versus now being on housewives?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Great question, Thank you bad?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
This is you're good, Thank you, you're good. Okay, So
I'm going to answer the business one first.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
For a long time my career, I would say maybe
ten twelve years, I was very much like this is
work and this is home. There was a very big
wall started to a hard line. I mean I was
one of those I leave my personal life at home
and come pick it up when I was done with work,
you know. And then my husband died and I was like,
(30:12):
oh shit, this is actually like I don't know if
I can even manage all of this.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I can't leave my grief at home. It follows me
to the office.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And it was actually a very distinct moment when I
decided to just tear the wall down. I had left Pepsi,
which is where I was working when Peter got sick
and joined beats by dre right. They were building Beats Music,
which then became Apple Music. So when I first joined,
you know, it was like Billboard and like the entertainment
(30:44):
all the entertainment press was like, you know, Beats gets
a new CMO. It was very splashy in the business
world anyway. And I got there and my very first day,
you know, people like were spilling out of the conference room,
like everybody was waiting for me to come and give
this like fierce, like brave heart speech, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So I entered the boardroom and I, girl, I just froze.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, because I did cry because I just stood
there and I looked at them, and they were also eager,
and people had their notebooks out. I'm telling you, a
standing room, you know. And I looked at them and
I was like, y'all, I'm a new widow. Peter have
been dead four months, said. I moved from New York
to LA for the job. So I left my four
(31:31):
year old in New York and so I'm going to
be commuting back and forth every week.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And the world is so dark.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I was like, the only reason I've taken this role
is because I need to look something to forward to
in the future. I was like, and so I need
your help. I can't fail at this. I was like,
if I fail, I don't know that I'll be able
to ever get up. So I need your help and
I need to win.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Girl. I won an army that day.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
People who still follow me today, people who still show
up for me today, from like.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Fourteen years ago, thirteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, And for me, it was the moment when that
high heavy wall between what is personal and what is
professional fell down. I found that I was a better
leader because I could share what was happening with me,
and therefore teams would share what was happening with them.
And therefore it's like, you know, the empathy and also
the understanding showed up in a very different way. People
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who would, you know, go the twelfth extra mile for
me because I had understood when they had to cancel
a meeting or relate to the office or whatever because
of something else.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I was going out at home.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Now to the very important distinction that you've made about
corporate life versus this life, is that there because I
have people in my home right who work for me
and who are with me as I like, you know,
poor Nico, my executive assistant has seen you know, my
breasts more.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Times than I think he has seen your boyfriend. Yeah exactly,
Oh for sure, over a longer time, you know what
I mean. And I do think that it can get confusing.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
However, for me, because I grew up in the corporate space,
I know the line between like you are my friend
and you are employed by me, you know, And so
there is still a line there where it's like, look,
you may have seen my breasts, but still if you're
gonna be late, you're not waltzing in here with your
(33:26):
coffee twenty minutes late and just like, hey, bows, what's
going on? No, you're first of all, you better text
me before you even missed the moment when you're supposed
to be here.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
And then when you come in, I need to understand
why you go.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And look, I'm the kind of boss where it's like
if I'm out and we're drinking champagne, all of us.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Pop and bottles, we're all doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, but at seven am when I have that meeting
with China, you better be as better be up, you
know what I mean. So for me, there is the
softening of the edges, but.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You can never forget that we work together. Did this
is work.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's very smart, I mean, because you teach people how
to treat you right, so you you we're setting the
correct boundaries absolutely from the beginning. I mean, but your
background is very helpful.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yes, that that for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I think it would be different if I hadn't spent
twenty five years running teams.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, it's interesting. You've been posting lately about you know,
things that women ooh should say out loud, out loud,
and that's been I have found it fascinating. But it's
funny to me because you talking about your experience in
the boardroom and being honest with them. I mean, look,
you you had an honest moment them which won them. Yes,
(34:38):
but you weren't in the coffee room going and now
let me tell you about the bills that I had
to pay on the you know what I'm saying, Like
there is a difference.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yes, Yes, you were honest.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
And you opened your soul a bit so they knew
who you were as a human. You humanized yourself, yes,
in that moment, which I think is so great.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
But you know what, though, I think the big difference
you've just made, which is that there is a very
thin border between like let me share myself, like personally and.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Let me gossip with you.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, and whether we're God's
being by my own life or like you know, look.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
We call it the water cooler.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't do all of that, but I
do make sure that Hey, look, you understand what.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Is challenging for me as a human.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Therefore you can help me with that, because that's what
we're here to do, and we're here to work.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
And so I'm like, and how do I help.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You with the thing that's bothering you so that you
can also show up as your best at work?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah? You know, I love how pro women you are
and pro team I am too. I didn't grow up
like that. I grew up with like a very nineteen
fifties mom, and and everything was swept under the rug. Yes,
like who's her dad? How did she get that part?
You know, it really took me a long time to
reprogram myself. But I love this whole team mentality. But
(35:59):
how do you you how do you teach other women
how to show up for each other?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a very hard thing too.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You know, especially on the show.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, oh god, Well, because I think for a lot
of my corporate career. There were a lot of dragon
ladies in there, you know, along the way, people who
had the mentality that like, if I suffered, you have
to suffer.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It's crazy, It's absolutely insane. It's like why would I
do that? You know, It's funny.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's like on the show Amanda and I get into
it about, you know, our online businesses.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
First of all, I'm like, girl, I have I've done this. Yeah,
I've done a million things. Okay, so the online.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Business week, why can't there is much women? There is
room for ever.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
There's a room for everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yes, And my point was that like, hey, look like
you want to teach manifestation, and people love that, God
bless them, you know, let them go ahead. But for me,
I'm like, part of what I'd like to do is
to teach each you know. It's like my online workshop
is about teaching people, particularly women, what it's like to
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then get to the top of that ladder that you're
trying so desperately to climb. I taught the class at
Harvard for three semesters, and then I was like, you
know what, not everybody goes to Harvard. You can't afford
the tuition. So you know what, I'm gonna make this accessible.
I'm gonna record it straight to camera in my home,
tell you everything that I said up in that class
over there, and you just gonna write it down right
(37:28):
here and make it affordable. Like you know, it's like
I just want to pay for the mix and the
cameras and all that. But other than that, like I
don't need to make money on it, you know. It's
like I have made money in other ways, so this
is fine. And that's the way I feel like we
should be as women who have learned something. Now, for me, obviously,
as I said, it's modeled after my experiences in the
corporate world. Maybe I'll do a workshop someday about this
(37:50):
side of the business right or this side of the world.
But I do think that for everyone who has some insight,
those of us who've already been down this road, I'm like,
the first thing you should do is.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Pass it alall.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes, absolutely, do not guard it. And especially if there's
somebody else in your world that you can bring in,
do that, you know, give them the helping hand.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's like, give them the keys. Why why would you
keep it? You know?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
For why gatekeeper?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Oh my god, it's just so annoying.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So for me, I'm like, look, the best way for
us to ensure that women are helping women is for
you actually to help women.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I did a speech was it two years ago? Maybe
at the Maker's Conference? I love that conference, the Conference
for Women? And I think the title I can't remember
exactly now, but I think my title was are you
that bitch?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And not in a good way, you know what I mean.
Everybody's like, I'm that bitch. I'm like, no, are you that?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Because are you though? Because I want you to really
look just so, are you that bitch? The one that
gate keeps, the one that makes the younger ones pay
their dues for coming into the room that you're in?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Because look it's not there are those bitches out there,
so everybody can be clean, all right. So I was
looking at a room of like, I don't know, maybe
three hundred women, and I was like, some of y'all
bitch is in here.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Look at your neighbor and ask her are you that bitch?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I love that? Did people raise their hands?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Girl? Yes? I was like, look you can. I was like,
this is a safe space.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Raise you if you think you have been that bitch
off and you're knocking a bit, you know. But I
was like, I was like, no, I was like, this
is a safe space. If you've been that bitch, raise
your hands. You can reform.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Don't help you think it's also I mean, look, it's
I find some of this is generational, right, Like I
was talking about my mom. She's a great coal but
she's a product of her environment too, right, Yeah, so
we have to raise this next generation, like I will say,
and your daughter's a senior, she's a junior. Okay, So
my kids are fifteen through twenty two.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I noticed with them, like one my daughter's Max, she's
she's going to law school. But she's a brilliant singer.
She's amazing. And she would talk about friends of hers
and she'd be like, oh, mom, you should hear her sing.
She is so good. But just like so complimentary, so
happy when this one gets something. I mean, the polar
(40:18):
opposite of how I was raised. So and I thought,
I didn't like, hit this over the head. This is
like us Moses and these kids they do you see
that with your daughter and her friend?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I just love evolution.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, you know, it's like the next generation should be
better than us, yes, and so we have to help
them get there. You know, I was telling my daughter,
actually this was a funny one, but I think it's
more it's a representation of how culture is right, which
is that I was like, look, when I was in
high school and you had certain musical tastes, you were
just identified by that musical yes right, your punk rocket yes,
(40:53):
your heavy metal people, yeah, your hip hop heads.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Or rat heads. Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
You know you're a theater kid.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You're a theater absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You're a cheerleader, your jock like people were identified by
certain characteristics and then they couldn't move, you know, there's
no flexibility to move from one to the other. And
it maybe it wasn't that like you were looked down
upon or bullied because you were a theater kid versus
a cheerleader, or because you were a jock versus like
the science nerd. But you couldn't be the jock and
(41:22):
the science nerd, right, you know, there wasn't room for that,
whereas like now it's like, hey, look like my daughter's out,
you know, going to concerts of like indie bands, and
also she knows like every lyric to Kendrick Lamar, you
know what I mean. And it's easier for her to
navigate and move through friend groups because those boundaries don't exist.
(41:44):
And so I'm like, yes, we want to encourage that,
you know, and help them through that. I also think that,
like there's so many topics. I mean, it's like race
and sexuality and identity are all things that I'm so
glad to see evolution. Yeah, because I mean from our
mother's generation two hours and now our kids it's like
so different. Oh my god, it couldn't be and thank god, thankfully,
(42:06):
thank god, you know. But now I do think that
we also do have to be aware though, of certain
you know, segments of society that want to roll things back,
you know, roll back ideas.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
That's a whole other part. O.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Girl, we can't get started on that, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Like, we have to be careful because even though I
am so proud of this next generation for how they
think and how they are and you know, how open
they are with each other, I'm like, there's some real
angry people who don't like that so much, and they
want to re instill bad ideas, bad ethics, bad behaviors.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
That's why the conversations need to keep going. But it
is funny because I was going to ask you about this,
but it really ties in so beautifully to everything about
staying in your lane. So because when you were talking
about the kids and this one's a jock and this
one's this, we we had to have a thing. Yeah,
everyone had to have their thing, and you weren't allowed
to cross pollinate with all. Like you said, you can't
do the jock and the size RD. Well you could be,
(43:06):
but everyone wanted to put this this labelize on you.
But I remember, I'm going to say it was Martha Stewart.
To me, she was the first person that had a
lifestyle brand.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Oh yeah right. She wasn't just yeah, but she was a.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Gardener and she could make dresses, she could all these
different and curtains at anything.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And my mom was like that, she she's like a
renaissance woman like that can do all those things. So
I understood that character, and I thought, oh, and then
Gwyneth Paltrow also, yes, seamlessly, I'm an actress, but but
I also have all this other stuff, and no one
said to her, no, you can only do this Jessica
Alba's done there where there's so many women that I
(43:48):
think have really opened up that you don't have to
stay in because I don't like the stay in your
lane thing.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Clearly neither do I.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, you know, because I do think it's important for
us to be multifaceted. And it why I think it's
even important for us in our time and age and
maturity to continue to push, you know, our own identities
and figure out new ways that we want to be
in the world, because I actually do think that even
though yes, the kids are the kids are actually going
to be all right, it's important for them to.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Also see us in our own evolution.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Do you worry that your daughter is going to move
across country to go to college?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh she's absolutely going to do that. Oh really yeah, yes,
she's definitely going east. And you know what, I can't
be mad at her.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I went east to I grew up in Colorado and
went to Connecticut for college and was to go to
school Wesleyan University, great.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
School, grade school. I loved it. You know, that's where
the weirdo school, small school.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
But you know, people, you know, I grew up in
New York, so people don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Oh they don't know this.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
There's all these like schools that are so.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Hard to get in, so difficult.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And they're like these perfect little yeah enclaims, so they're
so good.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But I want her to go, you know, I think
she should go. And she wants to go to an HBCU,
so I'm very proud of her for that. Although she
is going to apply to Wesleyan because okay, what are
we talking about?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
She she has You know what's so funny When our
kids started applying to college wherever they got scholarships to
Terry on our group chat would be like, perfect, that's
where you're going.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Good, I'm glad this is set up.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, there you go, half straight exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
No, but I'm excited for this chapter.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna do when
I actually leave her at school.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Does empty nesting scare.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
You a little bit?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I think? You know.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
The funny thing is she were sitting here and you
asked her, she'd be like, my mom has told me
since I was four that she's going to move to
Paris when I go to college.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
And that was always my plan.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yes, let's go let's create a whole little, you know,
little society over there, right. I always said that. I
was like, well, when you go, I'm going to go.
You know, I'm gonna go do something else, going to
have a new life. And now I'm gonna get married.
So I'm like, well, I guess I'm staying here. Yeah, yeah,
I'm stuck.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is he transit or can he is his job here?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
No, it's not, but he's going to move to l
A at some point.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Oh he doesn't live here.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
No, he lives in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But that's basically here.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I know exactly. It's not.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I called it a long distance relationship. I got so girl.
They tortured me.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You could. They were like long distance sometimes it takes
longer to do from the Century to Silver Lake as
it does.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
They were like Francisco and long distance relationship. They're like, ma'am,
it's like two hours away.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
When Terry and I met, we were he was in
Orange County and I was in LA. That was long distance.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Oh my god, horrible horror.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Geographically undesirable.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
We would say that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Okay, okay, stop stop stop there, because oh there's so
much more to talk about. So stay tuned for next
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