May 20, 2026 • 34 mins
Giuliana Rancic joins Heather to reflect on walking away after 20 years at E! and how social media reshaped celebrity culture.
Plus, they unpack the idea that divorce can be contagious.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather du Brow, and this week Terry is nowhere
to be found, even though he loved being by himself
last week, I think. But he is not here today
because I have the most fabulous guest and I just
a door of Noura for a million years, star of everything.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Please welcome Julian Ransid.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thank you, thanks for having me. Hi, it's just so fun.
Hi everyone, I missed.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's been a minute. I don't think i've seen you since.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Maybe Idaho.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It wasn't Idaho, right, We saw each other at Gazer, Yes,
So Gazer is this development in Idaho, And you guys
were visiting with friends, right, and we had a house
there at the time.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, this is a story over a cocks that for later.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Are you happy or not? Yes, yes, of Idaho. But
you guys are out. We left, Yeah, Yeah, it wasn't.
I say so dramatically.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We left, don't don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, Here's what happened. So we were living, We loved it,
We were there forever beautiful, cycle in and out of.
I feel like that's what I was gonna say. So
we were there a long time when we met you,
we'd been there probably eight years. At that point, Remember
we lived right on the golf It was yes, right, no,
I doubt we would. We had drinks there. It was
so fun. And then what happened was actually no, we
(01:17):
moved to Austin, and then we moved to Chicago. And
then we were kind of like, this isn't really like
going to Idaho for the summer, just like was a
little far for us from Chicago, but also more than that,
and it was hard to travel in and out of
la is easy to travel in and out of, Yes, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Chicago, by the way, I love your Chicago. It is
the worst airport.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh, it's a tough airport.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's no I don't know why they bother making a
schedule because there's just like there, no one's have just.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Top on a plane.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But also I would say, because Duke is going into
eighth grade, yes, I mean, when your kids start getting
a little.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Bit older, it is just a whole different ball of wax.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It is. So we wanted to move somewhere where we
knew like he would be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, you're in the city.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We're right in the city. We live right downtown. But
we love Chicago. My husband's from Chicago. He's from the suburbs.
But when we first met, Bill lived in Chicago, I
lived in LA. We met after he won the Apprentice
the very first season, and so I've always loved it.
It was the first time I ever went to Chicago
was when I was dating Bill. Fell in love with it.
So we've lived there off and on through the years,
(02:27):
and then we moved back for Duke to start middle school.
And you know, we have a lot of restaurants all
based there. We have a lot of business space there,
family and then, and it's easy to travel in and
out except for the airport logistically and geograph the airport geographically,
it is easy. It's you know, in the center of
the country. Yes, yeah, so it's easy to get everywhere.
(02:50):
And so going back to Idaho, we just felt like,
you know what, we've done it a long time. Now,
let's try something new in the summers. And that's what
we've been doing, so we'll just go to different I
think it's great.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's good to shift.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
When we moved back to LA from Orange County, it
was like a different world because I'm you know, in
New Yorker, transplanted to LA and then drag down Orange
County by my husband.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Right, and I love it. It's beautiful, But we were
ready or like sit in.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I don't know if you call La city life, but
you know, more of a city.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah it is. Yeah, yeah? And a long have you
guys been married?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now we've been together in December thirty years? How long
have you and Bill been together versus married?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So we met this month twenty years ago? Twenty years?
And how long have you been married? Nineteen?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
See?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But I think you two we were quick.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That was fast.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We were like dating for a year and a half
that were engaged.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We got married a year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Later, so there was like two and a half years
before we got married. But I feel like, you know,
there's couples that are together ten years and then get married.
Why don't those ten years count?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
They do?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Oh, I see what you're saying. You want to count
those towards marriage? Yes, okay, I just mean.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Like together because to me, we met on a blind date.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So I feel like that was the day that our
trajectory changed. So you should be at thirty years right now,
so in December it will be through. I find that
to be more important than the wedding date.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I understand what you're saying. Okay, is that odd? I mean,
I get it. I still coun.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean we do. I like a gift.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I count Juliana, I count them all. I'm just saying
I want credit for the third.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'd be honest. I think because we got engaged, so
we were engaged ten months after we met. That's when
we were married less than a year. So I think
I count the wedding date because it was all so
close to each other. So I'm like, you know what
I mean, I might as well just count the wedding date.
But yeah, I can't believe it that we've been married
almost twenty years.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I know, it flies, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I was telling you right when I came, and
I'm like, I'm exhausted, and you will appreciate this because
you have.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You look amazing. You do not look exhausted, so nice,
you look incredible, and your hair is ridiculously good.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Thank you you too.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's ridiculous, Navy, it is is amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Maybe so big right now? Yeah, and with maybe with
the tan. Okay, sorry, all right, glad. Luckily there are
clips so you guys can see what I say.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
See my little fit yes, we just wrapped season twenty
of Housewives.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. Twenty It might be too old
for this. You're nuts. I'm by no, Lie, you love it?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do you when you wrap a show?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
When did you? Guys stop?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We did eight seasons, We did eighty episodes. We did
a lot. It's a lot, and it was only the
two of us. Think about that. So we had like
family that would pop in and out in friends, but
like the show was, it was all on our shoulders
and it was an hour show. So it was a lot.
It's a lot, but it was great and I'm so
happy we did it and looking back it was amazing.
But like, yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But would you ever do reality again?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh? Let me think about that. So the reason we stopped,
and people don't not a lot of people know this,
but we stopped doing the Juleann and Bill Show because
we did it for a long time. Our son reached
an age where the producers were starting to ask us like, oh,
we really want to follow like when he gets potty trained,
like we want to hear all about that, or when
you go to our school, and we just felt like, look,
(06:12):
we're good talking about ourselves and showing our lives. But
we just didn't know how we felt about showing his life,
and it was such a focus on us, and it
would have been such a focus on him the show
that it just wasn't right. So he's older now, I
mean he's thirteen, so baby.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, it's an odd thing. When we started the show,
my youngest was nine months old.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Wow, my kids were little.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
They were the twins were seven, Pat was four and
eight was nine months old. So they were based like
exactly what you're saying, Like no one really cared about them.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They would run in the room, you'd pat them on
the head right.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Off bybe but they weren't like a major storyline at
that age.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
No, And then I left for a few years, and
when I left, they were sort of in that awkward
period of time where I would have had the same
thoughts at you.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And when I went, when they asked me to come
back on the show, we.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Had to have like a family meeting because I was
not putting any I wasn't making that decision right exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So yeah, I mean maybe, And that's why I think
we've launched a podcast. We kind of feel like a
podcast is a good evolution of the show Bill and
I because it's still focused primarily primarily on us, although
we do talk a lot about topics that involve our
son and kids and parenting. But we just feel like
it's kind of, you know, podcast that they're so big
(07:36):
right now, and I think that it's interesting. Bill and
I had been taping a lot of these podcasts already,
and we're actually in some ways more open on them
than we are than we were ever were on the show.
Like on our reality show, we talked about very important things, right,
We talked about my journey with breast cancer, our journey
with infertility, so we were definitely very open. It was
very raw and honest. But now we're like talking about
(07:58):
our colonoscopies, right, Really weird st do that all the time. Yeah,
you know what I mean, like very like private stuff
that like we didn't talk about on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because?
I mean to me, podcasting, It's funny. When I first
started guessing, I think it was was it thirteen years ago?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You've been doing it that long? Yeah, Oh you're an OG.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But it's you know, it's had evolution different iterations over
the years. But when I first started, you know, like you,
I come from TV, I thought in segments and I thought, oh,
I'll do this segment and I'll do that segment whatever.
And doctor Drew Pinsky sat me down and he's like, listen,
people just want to hang out with you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm like, are you sure, Like yes, he was right, yes,
because he is a real ogog Yeah. Right. But I
think for me, you know, just sitting here and being
able to have those real conversations even though there are
cameras and there are microphones for some reason, to me,
like it feels different and allows some of the filters
to come out.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I agree? I think, like you do you know reality
show and you know, at the end of the day,
like there are edits, there are cuts, there's a lot
of different personalities. It's not always you the entire episode.
So this is so different to me. I feel like
the podcast is actually in some ways even or raw,
you know than reality shows. I mean you should hear
(09:19):
this suffer talking about I mean, Bill and I had
our brains scanned. We talk about our brains and like
add and different things that like I thought, you know,
what the whole episode is about do I have adult ADHD?
So our podcast is different. It's not like a lot
of people thought we would do. I would be doing
like celebrity interview podcasts, but instead we decided to do
like taking on a question people are searching online or asking.
(09:41):
So like something someone might might search online, is you know,
is it Perry menopause or depression? Like what do I have?
Do I have adult ADHD? You know? Do I have
to finish my colonoscopy prep liquid? That's how this answers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Do you know what I love about you leave a
little No, you can't have to finish it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We're not no doggy bag for the prep. I love
that you guys are doing this.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know, it's funny, it's it's it's a similar vibe
to what Terry and I do, which I.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Love because I'm gonna tell you why I find So.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I was talking to someone, a friend recently who marriage
was kind of going through a little bump, and look,
we've all been together a long time. You know you
work on your marriage. You know there's good days, bad days.
I say good years, bad years, truly, like it's just
all those things are true. But my advice to people
when they're going through those things is to hang out
(10:39):
with happy people, hang out with happy couples, and so
you and Bill just talking about these things, you know,
it's a way for people to listen and hang out
with you, like your friends, and get that information from
you and inform their relationships, which I think, really.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's such good advice. I've never heard that. I love
that you tell people to do that. You're so right
because you're a product of who you're with and what
you're around and what you're looking at. And I think
even with social media, like when I started, so I
you know, I got into dog rescue this past year,
and in the beginning it was really really hard, and
I was like depressed, you know, and I was like emotionally,
(11:22):
like I just cried all day. I mean, it was
awful to watch these videos of these dogs and shelters
and like have no homes, and it was like ripping
my heart out every day, so much so that my
friends were talking to like people were intervening and they
were like, you need to stop doing this, And I
knew I didn't want to stop doing it, but at
the same time, like I had to balance things and
(11:44):
not like look at that all day, because You're right,
the more I watched it, the sadder I became. So
to your point, the more you're around like happy, good
couples like that starts to rub off on you. Right,
You're kind of a product of what you're around. So
I love that advice because it's funny. Bill and I
are doing an episode on something that I started noticing
with a group of girlfriends. I have a lot of
(12:04):
different friend groups like you do, and there's this one
friend group in Chicago, and I'm friends with some of
them more than others. But I noticed that, like, one
by one, they're all getting divorced. See, it is an epidemic,
that's what happened. So the episode is, is divorce contagious?
It is because what starts up is the one friend
(12:24):
gets divorced and then the next one's like, wait a second, Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This is greater.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And that's why I'm saying, if you have a friend,
a girlfriend who is going through bumps with her partner,
they cannot be going to hang out with all the divorces.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Now, there's nothing wrong with being.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Divorced if your marriage is abusive in any way, yes,
or if it doesn't serve you anymore. And you know what,
that is just the reality of life, and life is
short and there's no reason to be unhappy and you
need to move on. But it is contagious, and I
think that is the exact wrong spot or someone to be.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And but I think what you're saying is right. Like
you know, you work on it, You work on it,
and listen. Being around people who are good examples, like
who have that marriage that you're aspiring to get back to,
is the way to do it as opposed to the opposite, right,
And you're absolutely right. If it's not meant to be,
then move on, move on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You said something before about everyone thought you were going
to do like this celebrity interviews and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've been noticing a lot of people red carpet, like
Keltie Night, like a bunch of people talking about how
the red carpets changed, and specifically about how celebrities aren't
giving anyone the time of day that everyone sets up.
They spend so much money to be there, and then
these people who are in the movie or at the awards,
(13:58):
they come in two minutes before the things starts and
they run through and no one gets any time. Now
you think about all that, Yeah, is it broken?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'll tell you honestly. So I started doing red carp
in the early two thousands and you were the og.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But it was like the most amazing time. So here's
my theory on the red carpet. I started in the
early two thousand. You have to understant thing. I remember
being at E being on the set of E News
and like signing up for Twitter back then when Twitter
first started. At one point the La Times did an
article and I adapted to social media very quickly. By
(14:35):
the way, I'm a big techie. I'm like, I love
editing the opposite you are, okay, So I'm like, I
still have a rotary dial phone or I'd like one.
So I am like some women buy jewelry and bags.
I buy like tech gadgets. I'm the former. Okay, I'm
the latter.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Like I and a lot of people don't know that
about me, but I'm like a huge techie. Like any
any that has to be plugged in, wired and long,
that's me.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh my god, Duke must love that.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, So I love that stuff. So I adapted to
Twitter very quickly, like no one even knew what Twitter
was at the time, so much so that the La
Times did an article early on and it was talking
about this thing called Twitter, and it was like, here
are the top like ten males and female people on
Twitter with the biggest followings. And I was on that list.
Like that's how my point is out interesting. I'm not
(15:26):
on that list anymore, Like there's people who have way
bigger following than I do. My point is I was
on very quickly, okay, And so I was watching social
media kind of in its beginning, right, and then Instagram
came along, right, And I knew a long time ago.
And I would tell people close to me, the other
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hosts and people, and I'd say, you know, this is
going to change every Just want you to know, like,
just have a plan because this is changing everything. And
people would say to me, there's no way, like the
landscape is about to change. Yeah, it's going to be
a very different place in five years or two years
or whatever. And honestly, like, so you know that old
(16:10):
song video killed the radio star, of course, so I
say social media killed the red carpet because social media
all of a sudden gave everyone like celebrities, you know,
and it showed them before they went to the Red carpet,
and it showed them getting ready, and so you didn't
have to wait, you know, you don't have to wait
(16:33):
for you know, three o'clock live, a specific time on
a Sunday to watch the Red Carpet anymore, because I've
already seen all the celebrities' looks that morning, and so
you had to. When I was doing Red Cover early on,
you had to, like you were wondering, like who's coming
to the Red car No, there were no announcements about
who was coming. No one was showing you pictures, so
(16:53):
you had to wait to see what someone was wearing.
You had to wait to see who they were with.
And so I understood much access. Yeah, I think that
celebrities now, you know, And the same thing with the
entertainment news shows, right like E News, Like you would
come to E News to break news and now you
break it on your social media, right, and so it's
just a different landscape. And so I don't think it's
(17:18):
anything specific as opposed to just like times have changed,
social media has definitely impacted the actual traditional red carpet
of it all. And I think that the interesting thing
will be, like where what is the next phase of
the red carpet? Like what does that look like? Because
(17:40):
I do think it's everything is a cycle, right, and
I think it'll I think it can come back in
some way to be as big as it was. But
like what's the like, what's the secret way to do it?
You know, what's the way to do it? Yeah, it
will be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think things are cycleal and I also see that,
you know, people are nostalgic of the old days. I
don't really know what that means any more, of the
old days. We're not talking about the fifties. That's what
we would talk about old days like our parents. But
I do think, I mean, I think there was such
from what I saw, such a backlash over the met
Gala this year and how people thought it was bought
(18:17):
and lost its cool factor because of that, and I
just wonder how that's going to affect.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
So going back real quick to what you were saying
about like celebrities and how hosts are saying like celebrities
don't even do interviews anymore. They just kind of fly
in that gala. They fly in, they're out. You know.
I think a big thing to there is that celebrities
they don't have to do the interviews because they're controlling
(18:44):
the narrative on their social media, right, you know what
I mean, Like even me, I'm not anywhere near you know,
like this big star or anything. But even I'm like,
don't do as many things anymore, you know what I mean,
Or interviews when I have something, because I'm like, I
can go on my Instagram and talk about it exactly,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Although I will say I have to say it is effective,
meaning I haven't seen Devil War is product to you
yet neither by. But I have seen a million interviews
with Meryl Streep and half the Way Stanley Tucci, Emily
Blunt and and they're telling they're not just talking about
the movies. They're giving us access to their personalities, to
(19:23):
their stories which we don't normally get from them. That's interesting,
and I know that a lot of times actors. I mean,
that's why it was hard for me to go on
Reality after being an actress for so long, because you're
not used to like letting people into.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Your life, your real life.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Sure, but I find it interesting that this whole campaign
for the movie, they've led us in a little bit
to their lives, and it makes me now want.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
To go see That's what I mean. I think everything's cyclical,
you know, And I think that like if if they
don't do it enough then they suddenly come back, then
you're like, oh my god, this is interesting to watch
them do an interview as opposed to like just hearing
them talk about it on social media on their own
Instagram page. In the beginning, it was so cool that
like this celebrity you love was like you could just
(20:11):
go look at their page and like hear from them
and look at them anytime you want it. And they
were updating new things and you would be the first
to see it, you know. So I think it was
like really fascinating. And so there's always going to be
like people get exhausted from watching something, you know what
I mean, Like you just get like try to say yeah,
you get like over it, you get like burned out,
you know, and then they want to see something new,
(20:33):
and then that new thing is something old, right, So
I think it's going to be just interesting to see
how we can like reinvent the carpet.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I don't you know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean maybe I don't know. I would be up
for the challenge one day to try to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Would you miss it?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'll be honest with you. It's stressful the right I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sure I watch I've watched you for a hundred years
and everyone else prep and it's at your cards and
you have to know every shoe and every movie and
every lot actor and every producer that's it is stressful
a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And I will tell you, I will say like, and
I swear from the bottom of my heart, like my
friends will say to me, do you miss that you're
not at the Mecala right now, that you're not hosting
at the MACA? Do you miss that you're not at
the Oscars? And I'm like, I am so happy to
just be home right now and just be able to
enjoy it or be on a boat somewhere on a
I'm just so happy to like, like, because I did
(21:31):
it for twenty years, and I think that in life
it's okay to do something a long time, love it,
do it well, and then like move move on totally.
I'm never I was never that person, and I'm not
that person, Like I don't hang on for dear life
(21:53):
to something right things and things, and and it's like
I would rather choose when it ends then not choose
when it ends. And I think that's why I have
such amazing relationships with everyone I've worked with at E.
I love E. I hold them so dear to my heart,
you know, like E like created everything for me, you know,
(22:15):
I mean, and I know I worked my butt off, right,
and I know like I did it at the end
of the day, right like I work, I did it all,
but at the same time, like they created this amazing
opportunity for me, and they believed in me, and they
supported me twenty years, you know. And and you know,
because we left on such good terms, or because I
(22:38):
left on such good terms and I was just at
a different stage of my life, I can like think
of it so fondly, right, and honestly, it's nothing against
like red carpet or anything. It's just like I did
it for so long that it's really nice to just
be able to enjoy it from home now. And I
never ever have a feeling of like I wish I
still was doing it, because I think I would have
(22:58):
that feeling if it wasn't my choice to leave.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, well, of course, right when someone chooses something for you,
it doesn't feel.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because I'll tell you I left so in twenty sixteen,
and I know the day is I was talking about
earlier I had So I went through breast cancer in
twenty twelve, and you know, it was a very changes
your perspective, everything on everything. I had a young son.
It was twenty sixteen. Suddenly I was working a million
(23:27):
jobs at you know, hosting a million shows. I had
a clothing line on HS, you know everything, which I
still have. But I had all these things going on,
and I went to E one day. I called my
agent first, but I went and we went in together.
They're like, what's going on? And I go, scary, I
have to tell you something. And it was so hard
for me to tell them because I love them so much,
but I said, I have to leave. I'm moving to
(23:48):
Chicago with my family and thank you so much. This
has been amazing. You guys are amazing. They're like, no, no, no,
no no. And I had a contract and stuff and
cut to we agreed that I would continue doing so.
My big thing was I couldn't do E News anymore
because it's every day in LA. So we agreed, Okay,
you'll come in and do like all the red carpets,
(24:10):
fash fleets, all of that, and you'll still be part
of the family and do the big awards shows and specials. Okay, great.
And then a year later they called and they're like,
we really need you to come back to E News.
And it was very flattering to get that call, like
it's so nice, you know, to be wanted, you know.
And they said, what if I said I can't do it.
(24:30):
I can't move back to LA. I'm in Chicago now
with my youngest son and my husband. They said, what
if we do, Like we make it a sweet deal
for you. You'll come three days a week, you can
go any time, you can take any time off you want.
So I came back. After a year.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It was too much.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I realized why I had left, because it was I
had I was at a different point in my life
than to do that every day. But yet I stayed on.
I still did red carpet and everything. But you know,
you sometimes you just need to know, yeah, when to leave,
going to leave the party.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Sometimes it's hard to know and it's very scary for
people when you have something like that. And then I
think a lot, a lot of us in the entertainment industry,
you know, will go, Will I ever work again?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Is this it?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Am I dumb? To walk away from this thing? Very difficult?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You're absolutely right. But I knew that I would be.
I knew I was making the right decision.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And I think because I was so happy outside of
E as well, Like I loved my husband to pieces,
I love my son to pieces. I had other businesses, restaurants,
clothing line, like I was very fulfilled even without the
part of the puzzle. Like I looked at it and
I was like if I had E over, Like if
I didn't have E, would I still be really happy?
So that's how I came to that decision too. And
(25:46):
I'll never forget when I left. And this was when
I left it, all right, And it was I said,
I'll leave like I want to leave it twenty years.
I want to have like a full twenty year one
at eight And someone warned me, They're like, I just
want you to know when you wake up that one
morning after you leave and it's your last day and
you wake up the next day, it's going to be
really hard. I woke up the next day and I
(26:08):
was like, like I always felt great, felt great, and
it was nothing against you. It was the greatest job
in the universe for me, I mean the best. I
loved it, every second of it, the best. But it
was like I did it, you know. It was like
you know what it is. It's like when you hike
a huge mountain, right, you go on a weekend, you hike,
(26:31):
and like you get to the top where you've been
dying to get and then all you do is just
turn around and go back down, like take a minute, enjoy,
like be proud of where you've come, you know, what
you've accomplished. So I just was like I was able
to get to that top of that mountain and be like,
this is all I ever wanted career wise, and I
did it. Was to have this job, to get to
(26:51):
do it. I did it, and now I'm able to
focus on all these other things I'm working.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So I always say about it house wide.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, I always go at the end of the day,
I get to go home. And I don't mean like
to my house or my clothes, you know, all those things.
I mean I get to go home to my life, husband,
your family, family, and that life that I've created. Exactly
what you're saying, And I think this is such the
(27:21):
right life lesson for everyone. Doesn't matter what industry is.
That you could have an incredible career that fills you,
that you love, your passionate about it. But if you
don't have anything else, that's very follow.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
But it's different for everyone. It's different, differently defined for everyone.
There's a lot of people. You know, we all need
something different right to make us happy. But you don't
think people need person to person connection. I think there
are some people who are really good on their own,
and I mean I have to be honest, like person
to pet. I think I know people that like are
(28:04):
especially now I feel like I hear it more than ever,
that are like very happy with But their God is
their home, that's their home. That is.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It doesn't have to be a human necessarily.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's what I meant. Sorry, I thought you meant like
it has to be human.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I just mean that you need some some relationship, something fulfilling,
that you some kind of love outside of just work.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yes, I thought you meant like a person or kids
or something, But no, I.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Didn't have to be it has to be a life
outside of that, yes, because you just don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I agree with that. Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
And whatever it is, you're right so that if, like
God forbid, that job that you love ends for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Look at ai, I mean, look at how many jobs
are going to be lost. I mean, we don't need
to go down the that rabbit hole. Especially. Don't say
that to Terry ycause that will never get out of
that hole. But okay, but we will be losing saying
a lot of jobs and whatnot, and you know, you
need something.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's why I always say, like, you know, and there's
a lot of women and I'm sure you get this too,
and at different stages in their life, like my mom.
For instance, we just launched an Italian food line for
my mom and my son said, Juliana, and we're like
very Italian. Moved to America when I was a little girl,
and my mom and an Italian accident. She's like, Guanna,
I can't believe it. Like I always took care of
(29:24):
you and your siblings and your dad and cooked for
you and took care of the house. And I never
had a career and I've always wanted one, and now
at eighty years old, I have a job, I have
a career, and it's like never too late, Right, there's
the message there, Yes, and I think so many women listening,
whether it's a career change or trying something totally different.
My biggest piece of advice on that is, you know,
(29:46):
you always hear the saying do what you love and
you'll never work a day in your life. And I
always say take that a step further. Do what you're
good at and you'll never work a day in your life.
Think about that. So whatever comes naturally to you, chances
are you probably love doing it. Right, How do you
make a job, a career something out of that? Because
(30:10):
sometimes I think we're trying to do things we think
we should do or we saw on Instagram this girl's
doing this to make money. Yeah, and maybe I should
do this, or my sister do this, or my parents
do this, But like it doesn't come naturally to you,
Like it's not something that just like innate lyad something
you love doing. I think that's tough. Like, for instance,
for me, red carpet journalism hosting, so much of that
(30:31):
started as a kid because I love talking to people.
I'm very comfortable around people, nothing like, there's no fear
when I'm talking to someone. So I made a career
out of that personality trait. So that's what I say, Like,
what what do you have? What are you good at?
What comes natural to you that you're like fearless about
that you can then turn into a career and making
(30:55):
money if that's what you're looking for. And so that's
what I would say, like, yes, what you love is important, but.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
What do you like?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Good out?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I lost that's great advice.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think that's fantastic, right because you could find something
you love how and make a job out of it.
I could talk to you all day, but before we
go what what were we talking about?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What was your side?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So I discovered something about you today? Okay, Yes, I
have a good side, and it makes me very upset.
It's the one thing I don't like about you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think we're batting a thousand.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I like it, do we have?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I love everything about her except when I walked in,
I said they sit here, I said, oh, and then
I go, can I you would it be okay? If
I sat in that chair, I would have said yes,
by the way, And then I had heard no, Heather
likes that chair, and I said, oh, why does she
have a good side and they said, yes, she does,
(31:48):
and that's her good side and they said, yeah, go
because it's my good side too. And now my bad
side's been exposed in the past half hour. That's why
I keep going like this.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Oh my god, you're so no.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And then right and you see you you why do
you think she said? She did say Heather. She goes, oh, Heather,
want MI to go, No, she will like that. I wouldn't.
I would never do that because I have my side
that I love, which is over there. Heather's side is
my side. And so when someone asked me to switch,
like on the red carpet, sometimes out have to switch,
and I was like, and I was switched, and I
(32:22):
was like, oh, my ugly side to show, and I
know it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Looks bigger in that I have a bump on my nose.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So like, this quarter turn like works, but that one doesn't.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think I give two good sides.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No you do. Let me see it look that way,
but look at me straight on just for a second. Okay, ready, yeah,
this quarter turn. See the nose is good. Yeah, it
looks great. This quarter turn.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's a bump. You see it?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes, you do right here? Okay, I don't see it.
No not, okay, I see it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Look she sees it. It's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I also wanted to have it fixed because everyone thinks
I hadn't done anyway, so why not?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
But you know what, I'm scared because I think I
know a guy. If you need a fast he doesn't
know this. He doesn't you know it doesn't like what's
his thing? Again?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
He does everything had to know, but just not knows.
He doesn't interesting, he doesn't like. Who would you go?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Are you allowed to say? Who? You would go to
a nose if you were doing your nose or someone
you know?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I would go to you love, I would go to
Jake Calvert. Okay, yeah, I send all my friends.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
To love great by the way I love. I could
talk about this stuff for days.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
All right, Well you're gonna come back on because.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We anyway, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I mean when there was a million things I wanted
to ask you.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
We never have the same good side.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes, you still love me?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I do still really love you?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, I love you too?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And you could have sad here I would have been Okay,
I showed down my hair.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
No one gave me. That's why I part my hair
on this side.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You all like, I know, I know why you do that.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I used to do the same. It all down.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So can I say goodbye to you like this? Yes,
you can remember. Let me look.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's both look straight into the camera and tell everyone
how to find you on social media and good looking
your camera. Okay, And and tell everyone where to find
your new podcast that just launched.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
We just launched a new podcast, Bill and Juliana the
podcast and you can check it out.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
How do you get first? Bill?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
That up?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Thank you very much. Well, why don't we do a
show with the husbands? And you can ask him? Because
I was very offended by that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Okay, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It should have been Juliana and Bill. That's what our
names always are. But for it we'll talk about later.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Anyway, anyway, we'll both look this way? How good?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
So much better?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Maybe we'll just sit next to each other and face
the same.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Way when we do an interview with the guys. Could
we both be on our good side? Please? Fine? Perfect?
All right, that's where you can find it anywhere. Podcasts
are I heart all the good stuff. Thank you, I
love you. Thank you so much. This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Thank you, thank you.
I'm Heather du Brow, and this week Terry is nowhere
to be found, even though he loved being by himself
last week, I think. But he is not here today
because I have the most fabulous guest and I just
a door of Noura for a million years, star of everything.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Please welcome Julian Ransid.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thank you, thanks for having me. Hi, it's just so fun.
Hi everyone, I missed.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's been a minute. I don't think i've seen you since.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Maybe Idaho.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It wasn't Idaho, right, We saw each other at Gazer, Yes,
So Gazer is this development in Idaho, And you guys
were visiting with friends, right, and we had a house
there at the time.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, this is a story over a cocks that for later.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Are you happy or not? Yes, yes, of Idaho. But
you guys are out. We left, Yeah, Yeah, it wasn't.
I say so dramatically.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We left, don't don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, Here's what happened. So we were living, We loved it,
We were there forever beautiful, cycle in and out of.
I feel like that's what I was gonna say. So
we were there a long time when we met you,
we'd been there probably eight years. At that point, Remember
we lived right on the golf It was yes, right, no,
I doubt we would. We had drinks there. It was
so fun. And then what happened was actually no, we
(01:17):
moved to Austin, and then we moved to Chicago. And
then we were kind of like, this isn't really like
going to Idaho for the summer, just like was a
little far for us from Chicago, but also more than that,
and it was hard to travel in and out of
la is easy to travel in and out of, Yes, Idaho.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Chicago, by the way, I love your Chicago. It is
the worst airport.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh, it's a tough airport.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's no I don't know why they bother making a
schedule because there's just like there, no one's have just.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Top on a plane.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But also I would say, because Duke is going into
eighth grade, yes, I mean, when your kids start getting
a little.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Bit older, it is just a whole different ball of wax.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It is. So we wanted to move somewhere where we
knew like he would be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, you're in the city.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We're right in the city. We live right downtown. But
we love Chicago. My husband's from Chicago. He's from the suburbs.
But when we first met, Bill lived in Chicago, I
lived in LA. We met after he won the Apprentice
the very first season, and so I've always loved it.
It was the first time I ever went to Chicago
was when I was dating Bill. Fell in love with it.
So we've lived there off and on through the years,
(02:27):
and then we moved back for Duke to start middle school.
And you know, we have a lot of restaurants all
based there. We have a lot of business space there,
family and then, and it's easy to travel in and
out except for the airport logistically and geograph the airport geographically,
it is easy. It's you know, in the center of
the country. Yes, yeah, so it's easy to get everywhere.
(02:50):
And so going back to Idaho, we just felt like,
you know what, we've done it a long time. Now,
let's try something new in the summers. And that's what
we've been doing, so we'll just go to different I
think it's great.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's good to shift.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
When we moved back to LA from Orange County, it
was like a different world because I'm you know, in
New Yorker, transplanted to LA and then drag down Orange
County by my husband.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Right, and I love it. It's beautiful, But we were
ready or like sit in.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I don't know if you call La city life, but
you know, more of a city.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah it is. Yeah, yeah? And a long have you
guys been married?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now we've been together in December thirty years? How long
have you and Bill been together versus married?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So we met this month twenty years ago? Twenty years?
And how long have you been married? Nineteen?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
See?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But I think you two we were quick.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
That was fast.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We were like dating for a year and a half
that were engaged.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We got married a year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Later, so there was like two and a half years
before we got married. But I feel like, you know,
there's couples that are together ten years and then get married.
Why don't those ten years count?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
They do?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Oh, I see what you're saying. You want to count
those towards marriage? Yes, okay, I just mean.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Like together because to me, we met on a blind date.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So I feel like that was the day that our
trajectory changed. So you should be at thirty years right now,
so in December it will be through. I find that
to be more important than the wedding date.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I understand what you're saying. Okay, is that odd? I mean,
I get it. I still coun.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean we do. I like a gift.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I count Juliana, I count them all. I'm just saying
I want credit for the third.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'd be honest. I think because we got engaged, so
we were engaged ten months after we met. That's when
we were married less than a year. So I think
I count the wedding date because it was all so
close to each other. So I'm like, you know what
I mean, I might as well just count the wedding date.
But yeah, I can't believe it that we've been married
almost twenty years.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I know, it flies, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I was telling you right when I came, and
I'm like, I'm exhausted, and you will appreciate this because
you have.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You look amazing. You do not look exhausted, so nice,
you look incredible, and your hair is ridiculously good.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Thank you you too.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's ridiculous, Navy, it is is amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Maybe so big right now? Yeah, and with maybe with
the tan. Okay, sorry, all right, glad. Luckily there are
clips so you guys can see what I say.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
See my little fit yes, we just wrapped season twenty
of Housewives.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. Twenty It might be too old
for this. You're nuts. I'm by no, Lie, you love it?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do you when you wrap a show?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
When did you? Guys stop?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
We did eight seasons, We did eighty episodes. We did
a lot. It's a lot, and it was only the
two of us. Think about that. So we had like
family that would pop in and out in friends, but
like the show was, it was all on our shoulders
and it was an hour show. So it was a lot.
It's a lot, but it was great and I'm so
happy we did it and looking back it was amazing.
But like, yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But would you ever do reality again?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh? Let me think about that. So the reason we stopped,
and people don't not a lot of people know this,
but we stopped doing the Juleann and Bill Show because
we did it for a long time. Our son reached
an age where the producers were starting to ask us like, oh,
we really want to follow like when he gets potty trained,
like we want to hear all about that, or when
you go to our school, and we just felt like, look,
(06:12):
we're good talking about ourselves and showing our lives. But
we just didn't know how we felt about showing his life,
and it was such a focus on us, and it
would have been such a focus on him the show
that it just wasn't right. So he's older now, I
mean he's thirteen, so baby.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, it's an odd thing. When we started the show,
my youngest was nine months old.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Wow, my kids were little.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
They were the twins were seven, Pat was four and
eight was nine months old. So they were based like
exactly what you're saying, Like no one really cared about them.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They would run in the room, you'd pat them on
the head right.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Off bybe but they weren't like a major storyline at
that age.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
No, And then I left for a few years, and
when I left, they were sort of in that awkward
period of time where I would have had the same
thoughts at you.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And when I went, when they asked me to come
back on the show, we.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Had to have like a family meeting because I was
not putting any I wasn't making that decision right exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So yeah, I mean maybe, And that's why I think
we've launched a podcast. We kind of feel like a
podcast is a good evolution of the show Bill and
I because it's still focused primarily primarily on us, although
we do talk a lot about topics that involve our
son and kids and parenting. But we just feel like
it's kind of, you know, podcast that they're so big
(07:36):
right now, and I think that it's interesting. Bill and
I had been taping a lot of these podcasts already,
and we're actually in some ways more open on them
than we are than we were ever were on the show.
Like on our reality show, we talked about very important things, right,
We talked about my journey with breast cancer, our journey
with infertility, so we were definitely very open. It was
very raw and honest. But now we're like talking about
(07:58):
our colonoscopies, right, Really weird st do that all the time. Yeah,
you know what I mean, like very like private stuff
that like we didn't talk about on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because?
I mean to me, podcasting, It's funny. When I first
started guessing, I think it was was it thirteen years ago?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You've been doing it that long? Yeah, Oh you're an OG.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A long time.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But it's you know, it's had evolution different iterations over
the years. But when I first started, you know, like you,
I come from TV, I thought in segments and I thought, oh,
I'll do this segment and I'll do that segment whatever.
And doctor Drew Pinsky sat me down and he's like, listen,
people just want to hang out with you.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm like, are you sure, Like yes, he was right, yes,
because he is a real ogog Yeah. Right. But I
think for me, you know, just sitting here and being
able to have those real conversations even though there are
cameras and there are microphones for some reason, to me,
like it feels different and allows some of the filters
to come out.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I agree? I think, like you do you know reality
show and you know, at the end of the day,
like there are edits, there are cuts, there's a lot
of different personalities. It's not always you the entire episode.
So this is so different to me. I feel like
the podcast is actually in some ways even or raw,
you know than reality shows. I mean you should hear
(09:19):
this suffer talking about I mean, Bill and I had
our brains scanned. We talk about our brains and like
add and different things that like I thought, you know,
what the whole episode is about do I have adult ADHD?
So our podcast is different. It's not like a lot
of people thought we would do. I would be doing
like celebrity interview podcasts, but instead we decided to do
like taking on a question people are searching online or asking.
(09:41):
So like something someone might might search online, is you know,
is it Perry menopause or depression? Like what do I have?
Do I have adult ADHD? You know? Do I have
to finish my colonoscopy prep liquid? That's how this answers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Do you know what I love about you leave a
little No, you can't have to finish it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We're not no doggy bag for the prep. I love
that you guys are doing this.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know, it's funny, it's it's it's a similar vibe
to what Terry and I do, which I.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Love because I'm gonna tell you why I find So.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I was talking to someone, a friend recently who marriage
was kind of going through a little bump, and look,
we've all been together a long time. You know you
work on your marriage. You know there's good days, bad days.
I say good years, bad years, truly, like it's just
all those things are true. But my advice to people
when they're going through those things is to hang out
(10:39):
with happy people, hang out with happy couples, and so
you and Bill just talking about these things, you know,
it's a way for people to listen and hang out
with you, like your friends, and get that information from
you and inform their relationships, which I think, really.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's such good advice. I've never heard that. I love
that you tell people to do that. You're so right
because you're a product of who you're with and what
you're around and what you're looking at. And I think
even with social media, like when I started, so I
you know, I got into dog rescue this past year,
and in the beginning it was really really hard, and
I was like depressed, you know, and I was like emotionally,
(11:22):
like I just cried all day. I mean, it was
awful to watch these videos of these dogs and shelters
and like have no homes, and it was like ripping
my heart out every day, so much so that my
friends were talking to like people were intervening and they
were like, you need to stop doing this, And I
knew I didn't want to stop doing it, but at
the same time, like I had to balance things and
(11:44):
not like look at that all day, because You're right,
the more I watched it, the sadder I became. So
to your point, the more you're around like happy, good
couples like that starts to rub off on you. Right,
You're kind of a product of what you're around. So
I love that advice because it's funny. Bill and I
are doing an episode on something that I started noticing
with a group of girlfriends. I have a lot of
(12:04):
different friend groups like you do, and there's this one
friend group in Chicago, and I'm friends with some of
them more than others. But I noticed that, like, one
by one, they're all getting divorced. See, it is an epidemic,
that's what happened. So the episode is, is divorce contagious?
It is because what starts up is the one friend
(12:24):
gets divorced and then the next one's like, wait a second, Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This is greater.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And that's why I'm saying, if you have a friend,
a girlfriend who is going through bumps with her partner,
they cannot be going to hang out with all the divorces.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Now, there's nothing wrong with being.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Divorced if your marriage is abusive in any way, yes,
or if it doesn't serve you anymore. And you know what,
that is just the reality of life, and life is
short and there's no reason to be unhappy and you
need to move on. But it is contagious, and I
think that is the exact wrong spot or someone to be.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And but I think what you're saying is right. Like
you know, you work on it, You work on it,
and listen. Being around people who are good examples, like
who have that marriage that you're aspiring to get back to,
is the way to do it as opposed to the opposite, right,
And you're absolutely right. If it's not meant to be,
then move on, move on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know what I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You said something before about everyone thought you were going
to do like this celebrity interviews and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've been noticing a lot of people red carpet, like
Keltie Night, like a bunch of people talking about how
the red carpets changed, and specifically about how celebrities aren't
giving anyone the time of day that everyone sets up.
They spend so much money to be there, and then
these people who are in the movie or at the awards,
(13:58):
they come in two minutes before the things starts and
they run through and no one gets any time. Now
you think about all that, Yeah, is it broken?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'll tell you honestly. So I started doing red carp
in the early two thousands and you were the og.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But it was like the most amazing time. So here's
my theory on the red carpet. I started in the
early two thousand. You have to understant thing. I remember
being at E being on the set of E News
and like signing up for Twitter back then when Twitter
first started. At one point the La Times did an
article and I adapted to social media very quickly. By
(14:35):
the way, I'm a big techie. I'm like, I love
editing the opposite you are, okay, So I'm like, I
still have a rotary dial phone or I'd like one.
So I am like some women buy jewelry and bags.
I buy like tech gadgets. I'm the former. Okay, I'm
the latter.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Like I and a lot of people don't know that
about me, but I'm like a huge techie. Like any
any that has to be plugged in, wired and long,
that's me.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh my god, Duke must love that.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, So I love that stuff. So I adapted to
Twitter very quickly, like no one even knew what Twitter
was at the time, so much so that the La
Times did an article early on and it was talking
about this thing called Twitter, and it was like, here
are the top like ten males and female people on
Twitter with the biggest followings. And I was on that list.
Like that's how my point is out interesting. I'm not
(15:26):
on that list anymore, Like there's people who have way
bigger following than I do. My point is I was
on very quickly, okay, And so I was watching social
media kind of in its beginning, right, and then Instagram
came along, right, And I knew a long time ago.
And I would tell people close to me, the other
(15:48):
hosts and people, and I'd say, you know, this is
going to change every Just want you to know, like,
just have a plan because this is changing everything. And
people would say to me, there's no way, like the
landscape is about to change. Yeah, it's going to be
a very different place in five years or two years
or whatever. And honestly, like, so you know that old
(16:10):
song video killed the radio star, of course, so I
say social media killed the red carpet because social media
all of a sudden gave everyone like celebrities, you know,
and it showed them before they went to the Red carpet,
and it showed them getting ready, and so you didn't
have to wait, you know, you don't have to wait
(16:33):
for you know, three o'clock live, a specific time on
a Sunday to watch the Red Carpet anymore, because I've
already seen all the celebrities' looks that morning, and so
you had to. When I was doing Red Cover early on,
you had to, like you were wondering, like who's coming
to the Red car No, there were no announcements about
who was coming. No one was showing you pictures, so
(16:53):
you had to wait to see what someone was wearing.
You had to wait to see who they were with.
And so I understood much access. Yeah, I think that
celebrities now, you know, And the same thing with the
entertainment news shows, right like E News, Like you would
come to E News to break news and now you
break it on your social media, right, and so it's
just a different landscape. And so I don't think it's
(17:18):
anything specific as opposed to just like times have changed,
social media has definitely impacted the actual traditional red carpet
of it all. And I think that the interesting thing
will be, like where what is the next phase of
the red carpet? Like what does that look like? Because
(17:40):
I do think it's everything is a cycle, right, and
I think it'll I think it can come back in
some way to be as big as it was. But
like what's the like, what's the secret way to do it?
You know, what's the way to do it? Yeah, it
will be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think things are cycleal and I also see that,
you know, people are nostalgic of the old days. I
don't really know what that means any more, of the
old days. We're not talking about the fifties. That's what
we would talk about old days like our parents. But
I do think, I mean, I think there was such
from what I saw, such a backlash over the met
Gala this year and how people thought it was bought
(18:17):
and lost its cool factor because of that, and I
just wonder how that's going to affect.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
So going back real quick to what you were saying
about like celebrities and how hosts are saying like celebrities
don't even do interviews anymore. They just kind of fly
in that gala. They fly in, they're out. You know.
I think a big thing to there is that celebrities
they don't have to do the interviews because they're controlling
(18:44):
the narrative on their social media, right, you know what
I mean, Like even me, I'm not anywhere near you know,
like this big star or anything. But even I'm like,
don't do as many things anymore, you know what I mean,
Or interviews when I have something, because I'm like, I
can go on my Instagram and talk about it exactly,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Although I will say I have to say it is effective,
meaning I haven't seen Devil War is product to you
yet neither by. But I have seen a million interviews
with Meryl Streep and half the Way Stanley Tucci, Emily
Blunt and and they're telling they're not just talking about
the movies. They're giving us access to their personalities, to
(19:23):
their stories which we don't normally get from them. That's interesting,
and I know that a lot of times actors. I mean,
that's why it was hard for me to go on
Reality after being an actress for so long, because you're
not used to like letting people into.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Your life, your real life.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Sure, but I find it interesting that this whole campaign
for the movie, they've led us in a little bit
to their lives, and it makes me now want.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
To go see That's what I mean. I think everything's cyclical,
you know, And I think that like if if they
don't do it enough then they suddenly come back, then
you're like, oh my god, this is interesting to watch
them do an interview as opposed to like just hearing
them talk about it on social media on their own
Instagram page. In the beginning, it was so cool that
like this celebrity you love was like you could just
(20:11):
go look at their page and like hear from them
and look at them anytime you want it. And they
were updating new things and you would be the first
to see it, you know. So I think it was
like really fascinating. And so there's always going to be
like people get exhausted from watching something, you know what
I mean, Like you just get like try to say yeah,
you get like over it, you get like burned out,
you know, and then they want to see something new,
(20:33):
and then that new thing is something old, right, So
I think it's going to be just interesting to see
how we can like reinvent the carpet.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I don't you know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean maybe I don't know. I would be up
for the challenge one day to try to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Would you miss it?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'll be honest with you. It's stressful the right I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sure I watch I've watched you for a hundred years
and everyone else prep and it's at your cards and
you have to know every shoe and every movie and
every lot actor and every producer that's it is stressful
a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And I will tell you, I will say like, and
I swear from the bottom of my heart, like my
friends will say to me, do you miss that you're
not at the Mecala right now, that you're not hosting
at the MACA? Do you miss that you're not at
the Oscars? And I'm like, I am so happy to
just be home right now and just be able to
enjoy it or be on a boat somewhere on a
I'm just so happy to like, like, because I did
(21:31):
it for twenty years, and I think that in life
it's okay to do something a long time, love it,
do it well, and then like move move on totally.
I'm never I was never that person, and I'm not
that person, Like I don't hang on for dear life
(21:53):
to something right things and things, and and it's like
I would rather choose when it ends then not choose
when it ends. And I think that's why I have
such amazing relationships with everyone I've worked with at E.
I love E. I hold them so dear to my heart,
you know, like E like created everything for me, you know,
(22:15):
I mean, and I know I worked my butt off, right,
and I know like I did it at the end
of the day, right like I work, I did it all,
but at the same time, like they created this amazing
opportunity for me, and they believed in me, and they
supported me twenty years, you know. And and you know,
because we left on such good terms, or because I
(22:38):
left on such good terms and I was just at
a different stage of my life, I can like think
of it so fondly, right, and honestly, it's nothing against
like red carpet or anything. It's just like I did
it for so long that it's really nice to just
be able to enjoy it from home now. And I
never ever have a feeling of like I wish I
still was doing it, because I think I would have
(22:58):
that feeling if it wasn't my choice to leave.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, well, of course, right when someone chooses something for you,
it doesn't feel.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Because I'll tell you I left so in twenty sixteen,
and I know the day is I was talking about
earlier I had So I went through breast cancer in
twenty twelve, and you know, it was a very changes
your perspective, everything on everything. I had a young son.
It was twenty sixteen. Suddenly I was working a million
(23:27):
jobs at you know, hosting a million shows. I had
a clothing line on HS, you know everything, which I
still have. But I had all these things going on,
and I went to E one day. I called my
agent first, but I went and we went in together.
They're like, what's going on? And I go, scary, I
have to tell you something. And it was so hard
for me to tell them because I love them so much,
but I said, I have to leave. I'm moving to
(23:48):
Chicago with my family and thank you so much. This
has been amazing. You guys are amazing. They're like, no, no, no,
no no. And I had a contract and stuff and
cut to we agreed that I would continue doing so.
My big thing was I couldn't do E News anymore
because it's every day in LA. So we agreed, Okay,
you'll come in and do like all the red carpets,
(24:10):
fash fleets, all of that, and you'll still be part
of the family and do the big awards shows and specials. Okay, great.
And then a year later they called and they're like,
we really need you to come back to E News.
And it was very flattering to get that call, like
it's so nice, you know, to be wanted, you know.
And they said, what if I said I can't do it.
(24:30):
I can't move back to LA. I'm in Chicago now
with my youngest son and my husband. They said, what
if we do, Like we make it a sweet deal
for you. You'll come three days a week, you can
go any time, you can take any time off you want.
So I came back. After a year.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It was too much.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I realized why I had left, because it was I
had I was at a different point in my life
than to do that every day. But yet I stayed on.
I still did red carpet and everything. But you know,
you sometimes you just need to know, yeah, when to leave,
going to leave the party.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Sometimes it's hard to know and it's very scary for
people when you have something like that. And then I
think a lot, a lot of us in the entertainment industry,
you know, will go, Will I ever work again?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Is this it?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Am I dumb? To walk away from this thing? Very difficult?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You're absolutely right. But I knew that I would be.
I knew I was making the right decision.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And I think because I was so happy outside of
E as well, Like I loved my husband to pieces,
I love my son to pieces. I had other businesses, restaurants,
clothing line, like I was very fulfilled even without the
part of the puzzle. Like I looked at it and
I was like if I had E over, Like if
I didn't have E, would I still be really happy?
So that's how I came to that decision too. And
(25:46):
I'll never forget when I left. And this was when
I left it, all right, And it was I said,
I'll leave like I want to leave it twenty years.
I want to have like a full twenty year one
at eight And someone warned me, They're like, I just
want you to know when you wake up that one
morning after you leave and it's your last day and
you wake up the next day, it's going to be
really hard. I woke up the next day and I
(26:08):
was like, like I always felt great, felt great, and
it was nothing against you. It was the greatest job
in the universe for me, I mean the best. I
loved it, every second of it, the best. But it
was like I did it, you know. It was like
you know what it is. It's like when you hike
a huge mountain, right, you go on a weekend, you hike,
(26:31):
and like you get to the top where you've been
dying to get and then all you do is just
turn around and go back down, like take a minute, enjoy,
like be proud of where you've come, you know, what
you've accomplished. So I just was like I was able
to get to that top of that mountain and be like,
this is all I ever wanted career wise, and I
did it. Was to have this job, to get to
(26:51):
do it. I did it, and now I'm able to
focus on all these other things I'm working.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So I always say about it house wide.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, I always go at the end of the day,
I get to go home. And I don't mean like
to my house or my clothes, you know, all those things.
I mean I get to go home to my life, husband,
your family, family, and that life that I've created. Exactly
what you're saying, And I think this is such the
(27:21):
right life lesson for everyone. Doesn't matter what industry is.
That you could have an incredible career that fills you,
that you love, your passionate about it. But if you
don't have anything else, that's very follow.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
But it's different for everyone. It's different, differently defined for everyone.
There's a lot of people. You know, we all need
something different right to make us happy. But you don't
think people need person to person connection. I think there
are some people who are really good on their own,
and I mean I have to be honest, like person
to pet. I think I know people that like are
(28:04):
especially now I feel like I hear it more than ever,
that are like very happy with But their God is
their home, that's their home. That is.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It doesn't have to be a human necessarily.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's what I meant. Sorry, I thought you meant like
it has to be human.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I just mean that you need some some relationship, something fulfilling,
that you some kind of love outside of just work.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yes, I thought you meant like a person or kids
or something, But no, I.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Didn't have to be it has to be a life
outside of that, yes, because you just don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I agree with that. Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
And whatever it is, you're right so that if, like
God forbid, that job that you love ends for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Look at ai, I mean, look at how many jobs
are going to be lost. I mean, we don't need
to go down the that rabbit hole. Especially. Don't say
that to Terry ycause that will never get out of
that hole. But okay, but we will be losing saying
a lot of jobs and whatnot, and you know, you
need something.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's why I always say, like, you know, and there's
a lot of women and I'm sure you get this too,
and at different stages in their life, like my mom.
For instance, we just launched an Italian food line for
my mom and my son said, Juliana, and we're like
very Italian. Moved to America when I was a little girl,
and my mom and an Italian accident. She's like, Guanna,
I can't believe it. Like I always took care of
(29:24):
you and your siblings and your dad and cooked for
you and took care of the house. And I never
had a career and I've always wanted one, and now
at eighty years old, I have a job, I have
a career, and it's like never too late, Right, there's
the message there, Yes, and I think so many women listening,
whether it's a career change or trying something totally different.
My biggest piece of advice on that is, you know,
(29:46):
you always hear the saying do what you love and
you'll never work a day in your life. And I
always say take that a step further. Do what you're
good at and you'll never work a day in your life.
Think about that. So whatever comes naturally to you, chances
are you probably love doing it. Right, How do you
make a job, a career something out of that? Because
(30:10):
sometimes I think we're trying to do things we think
we should do or we saw on Instagram this girl's
doing this to make money. Yeah, and maybe I should
do this, or my sister do this, or my parents
do this, But like it doesn't come naturally to you,
Like it's not something that just like innate lyad something
you love doing. I think that's tough. Like, for instance,
for me, red carpet journalism hosting, so much of that
(30:31):
started as a kid because I love talking to people.
I'm very comfortable around people, nothing like, there's no fear
when I'm talking to someone. So I made a career
out of that personality trait. So that's what I say, Like,
what what do you have? What are you good at?
What comes natural to you that you're like fearless about
that you can then turn into a career and making
(30:55):
money if that's what you're looking for. And so that's
what I would say, like, yes, what you love is important, but.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
What do you like?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Good out?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I lost that's great advice.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think that's fantastic, right because you could find something
you love how and make a job out of it.
I could talk to you all day, but before we
go what what were we talking about?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What was your side?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So I discovered something about you today? Okay, Yes, I
have a good side, and it makes me very upset.
It's the one thing I don't like about you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think we're batting a thousand.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I like it, do we have?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I love everything about her except when I walked in,
I said they sit here, I said, oh, and then
I go, can I you would it be okay? If
I sat in that chair, I would have said yes,
by the way, And then I had heard no, Heather
likes that chair, and I said, oh, why does she
have a good side and they said, yes, she does,
(31:48):
and that's her good side and they said, yeah, go
because it's my good side too. And now my bad
side's been exposed in the past half hour. That's why
I keep going like this.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Oh my god, you're so no.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And then right and you see you you why do
you think she said? She did say Heather. She goes, oh, Heather,
want MI to go, No, she will like that. I wouldn't.
I would never do that because I have my side
that I love, which is over there. Heather's side is
my side. And so when someone asked me to switch,
like on the red carpet, sometimes out have to switch,
and I was like, and I was switched, and I
(32:22):
was like, oh, my ugly side to show, and I
know it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Looks bigger in that I have a bump on my nose.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So like, this quarter turn like works, but that one doesn't.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think I give two good sides.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
No you do. Let me see it look that way,
but look at me straight on just for a second. Okay, ready, yeah,
this quarter turn. See the nose is good. Yeah, it
looks great. This quarter turn.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's a bump. You see it?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes, you do right here? Okay, I don't see it.
No not, okay, I see it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Look she sees it. It's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I also wanted to have it fixed because everyone thinks
I hadn't done anyway, so why not?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
But you know what, I'm scared because I think I
know a guy. If you need a fast he doesn't
know this. He doesn't you know it doesn't like what's
his thing? Again?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
He does everything had to know, but just not knows.
He doesn't interesting, he doesn't like. Who would you go?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Are you allowed to say? Who? You would go to
a nose if you were doing your nose or someone
you know?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I would go to you love, I would go to
Jake Calvert. Okay, yeah, I send all my friends.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
To love great by the way I love. I could
talk about this stuff for days.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
All right, Well you're gonna come back on because.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
We anyway, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I mean when there was a million things I wanted
to ask you.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
We never have the same good side.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes, you still love me?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I do still really love you?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, I love you too?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And you could have sad here I would have been Okay,
I showed down my hair.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
No one gave me. That's why I part my hair
on this side.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You all like, I know, I know why you do that.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I used to do the same. It all down.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So can I say goodbye to you like this? Yes,
you can remember. Let me look.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let's both look straight into the camera and tell everyone
how to find you on social media and good looking
your camera. Okay, And and tell everyone where to find
your new podcast that just launched.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
We just launched a new podcast, Bill and Juliana the
podcast and you can check it out.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
How do you get first? Bill?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
That up?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Thank you very much. Well, why don't we do a
show with the husbands? And you can ask him? Because
I was very offended by that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Okay, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It should have been Juliana and Bill. That's what our
names always are. But for it we'll talk about later.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Anyway, anyway, we'll both look this way? How good?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
So much better?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Maybe we'll just sit next to each other and face
the same.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Way when we do an interview with the guys. Could
we both be on our good side? Please? Fine? Perfect?
All right, that's where you can find it anywhere. Podcasts
are I heart all the good stuff. Thank you, I
love you. Thank you so much. This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Thank you, thank you.
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