April 22, 2026 • 26 mins
Dr. Sandra Lee and Dr. Dubrow recount their stroke experiences and the symptoms they almost ignored.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is Heather Deubrew and this is Terry Borrow, and
we're going to keep this between us and not really,
not really, because today we have an incredible guest. I've
had her previously on the podcast and you have done
a game show with her.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, she is phenomenal, and she's had a recent health
issue that sort of rings close to our home.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
She's an amazing famous position, arguably more famous than.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Me, doctor Sandra Lee, doctor pimple Popper. She's here today.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
She's incredible, and she had a very similar thing that
I had medically, and we basically were able to help
hundreds and maybe thousands of people with this, and we
wanted to hear her experience with this and maybe talk
about it a little bit and what people need to
look for.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay, let's bring her on.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm fine? How are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Good? God, it's been so long, Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I know, not as long. With doctor Dubrow, I went
down and you know, person with him, he took the lead.
He overshake me, he overtied I held to the way sore.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think I think he played you there.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know, we know who the big boss is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Will please, by the way, thank you for doing this.
I was amazed and blown away when I heard what
happened to you, because something very similar, which you may
mar not know, happened to me. Yeah, And it's really
quite amazing because I mean, you're a lot younger than me,
(01:35):
and we're both but we're both really so we're very
grateful that you would agree to come on and talk
to us about this and share your experience. And I
don't know, I mean, it made such giant news, but
this happened a little bit of time ago, did it not.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, take us through a sondraw what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, And I read about you and what happened with you,
and so I see the general similar pattern, but mine
is a little bit different too, and sort of the
timing of mine and I didn't have a wife like
you on you like that. I have my husband, who
I call Dad because he does run the show in
many ways. He's like my dad, but a similar but
(02:18):
different timing. And I think that's the whole important point
behind this. So really what happened is this did happen
about four and a half months ago, and mine was
a true stroke, like I still have. You know, some
wine wasn't that like Tia so much. And this happened
to me while I was filming the show I have
(02:41):
they had on camera, yes kind of, it had like
the symptoms started to happen at the end of the
day of one day, my first day of taping. I
usually take four days in a row. And this is
the hardest part of the show for me, as it
may be for you when you do the surgical part
of the of the show. It's very time consuming. They
kind of dermatologists. I'm not really accustomed to really continue
(03:04):
with surgery at six pm at the end of the day.
You may be more so as plastics, but I kind
of turned into a pumpkin, you know, And so so
it's stressful to kind of be there until six seven
pm or so. And and I had I've kind of
had a hop flash, which was actually weird for me
because TM I had I had more recently started like
(03:26):
hormone replacement, and so I was feeling pretty good on
that on that side, you know, I wasn't really having
problems with that. And I also then when I went home,
I have to stay at my parents while I'm there
because I now live in la and so when I'm
in when I'm When I was at home with my parents,
I was eating soup and I had trouble swallowing, and
(03:47):
I just thought, oh, maybe I have like a little
reflux or something like that. I'm on some medication to
a reflux, and so I just kind of like said,
let me just go to bed, because I need a
good night's sleep. That's very important because I have to
pace myself three day, four days in a row, you know,
these long, stressful days, big cases. And so I went
to sleep, and I remember when I went to sleep,
I had like restless leg syndrome. I like could not
(04:10):
stop moving. I felt like they were paying shooting through
my legs. I had recently flown like twice too long,
you know, coastal trips, like within a week, really twice,
so a lot of and I don't like to get up.
I like to be slightly dehydrated. I like, I don't
like to go to the bathroom in the plane, that
kind of thing. So so those kinds of things happened,
(04:32):
and so I got up in the middle of the
night to just try to get some food, actually go
to the bathroom, and I kind of stumbled. Bit of course,
it's at nighttime, I'm more worried about trying to sleep.
I was kind of a little off bounced, but I'm
also thinking I'm trying to sleep, you know, that kind
of thing. But the next morning, when I got up,
I tried to walk to the bathroom, and I noticed
(04:53):
that I was unsteady on my feet, a little more
so than usual. I was by myself. So I held
my hand hands out, like, this is what you learn
from your exam, you know, as a medical student rotations.
And when I held my hands out, I said, am
I just fooling myself? Because my left hand would just
subtly collapse. I would try to hold it out again
(05:15):
and it would subtly collapse.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, so that two of the bee fasts balanced and
you have strength, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And soft My left arm was weak. And so I
was like, maybe I'm fooling myself. This is very subtle,
you know. Is this a panic attack? Is this anxiety?
Am I just tired? And then I tried to speak.
I wasn't really speaking to anyone, there was no one
there in the room with me, but I tried to talk,
and I did feel like it took a little more
(05:42):
effort for me to speak so I went downstairs to
see my parents. My dad is also dermatologist, you know,
and he actually had a tia that lasted like maybe
a minute or two when he was sixty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Were you automatically thinking at that time I might be
having a stroke.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well yeah, I mean I out my arms, but like
it was so subtle too. I didn't know, right, And
so I went to ask my dad, and my mom
is a nurse, and so they really, you know, as physicians,
they were like, you know what, right now the er,
it is the best time to go to the er
because it's the morning. You know, it's probably the least
busy and everybody's frash. We all know this, you know,
(06:20):
that's probably the ideal time to go, not late at night.
We freaked, Yes, sure, you know, but also like maybe
hopefully this is a panic attack. I still got ready
for work. I still had full hair and makeup and
scrubs on because I was ready to I there are
people here, right, They've flown in from across the nation.
There's passing crew staying in hotels. You know, this is
how they make their income. There's a lot of people
(06:41):
that are responsible. I'm responsible for and if I don't
show up, nobody gets paid, nobody gets treatment, you know,
all these kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right, So you go to the ear. Do you go
by yourself?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No? I want my mom and my showrunner actually came
to you know, because I told them that I'm going
to the er. And then it's crazy. I don't know
if this happened to you, But once you go in
there and you say like, okay, I'm having a little weakness,
I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Like they get you right in.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I mean, there's a wheelchair right behind me, like will
me through the And my only thought was like, oh
my gosh, I need to make a TikTok about this,
like wheeling through the halls. You know, that's how messed
up my mind, is right, You're like, because this is crazy.
It's like I'm being driven through the holes. And yeah,
I initially.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, Terry thought the same thing. Just so you know,
Terry was in the room. Yes, I know, Terry was
in the room waiting for his results and wanted them
to turn Botched.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
On No but I and by the way, they did
turn botched on it. It happened to be a first run
on Botch that I was watching as I'm having a
struggle anyway, can tell I was massively in denial. I
so badly didn't want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, of course, anyway, go ahead. So they're pushing you
through the hose.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So they pushed me through I actually to make a law.
I mean, I don't want to make it like it's
ultimately there wasn't in fact in my right side of
my brain here, and so I didn't really find that
out till it took a little while to get that MRI.
The CT actually was conclusive initially, and then you know,
we wanted to get an MRI. There was a wait time.
But also the fact the key here is really for
(08:07):
everybody listening, is that I sort of had some symptoms
the night before, and so I was really out of
that window to get TPA, which is like a clockbuster,
and that really window is to get that within an
hour to four hours or so, you know, before you
have symptoms, symptoms and signs of a stroke.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So they admitted you, and you were you're not going
to shoot your show, that it's done for.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
A while, Yes, for now, yes, So that was stressful too,
to tell everybody to go home, especially these people that
have been waiting for you know, years decades to get
something done and they finally had the nerve to show
up and then you know, I'm m I A you
know that kind of thing. So it was it was
very stressful.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I'm curious about the difference in men and women, like,
does this present differently in men and women?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So sound it does. It's like a heart attack, very
very similar in that in a man. It's the classic
stroke systems, the bee fast, the balance, the facial droop,
the arm strength, the speech, the whole thing. The bee fast.
Yours was very different. That's very typical of female. Right yours?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Present initially? You just didn't feel well.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Biglen when I actually went in. Yeah, I did have
those symptoms, but they were subtle, So who knows. I mean,
I do I feel bad that I did not present
myself to the er in the evening? Yes, But what
I if I were to go through that situation again
with no knowledge of what was going to happen, I
probably would have done the same thing because I didn't
(09:47):
really recognize. And I think the timing was a big deal,
the fact that this happened right before you try to
go to bed and get a good night's sleep. You know,
you may like if your wife wasn't there with you,
you might have said, like, I'm just going to sleep it, you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Know, like I ran away by the way. I literally
she had to chase me down the block. I so
didn't want to chase him in.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Heels, so let me go to the ar.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
We know what that's like.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, And plus I didn't want to get it he
was I just didn't think it was possible, and I
didn't want to get a diagnose of a stroke. How
did you feel emotionally when the diagnosis was made?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It is something that is like it's it's hard because
there is some PTSD with that, Like especially when I
go back in the situations. I just recently went to
New York, and this happened right after I went to
New York, So you just you just think all all
these sort of things like, oh my gosh, did I
do something here to make this sort of happen. You know,
I got up, I wore my combustion socks. You know,
(10:43):
I got up in the airplane. You know, things like
that that I'm changing because you're conscious of this that
there's a difference, you know, and just just things like
that's a very you know, I feel the show is
a very stressful situation, you know, because it's it is me,
and it's just like you. You're performing surgery with many
multiple cameras on because people are depending on you, cruise
depending on you, all these kinds of things, you know,
(11:06):
so it is hard. Thankfully, I'm doing well. I mean,
I feel like when I get tired, So mine is
different than yours because I don't think I have I
had a full recovery because I truly had a stroke
that really persisted, and so I know that I have
to pace myself more. I'm still four and a half
months out, so if I get overtired overworked, I feel
(11:29):
like I can, you know, symptoms sort of kind of
come back a little bit, not as bad. Everything's better.
So I say like I'm ninety nine percent, but I
range between ninety five and ninety nine depending on my
my my I haven't gotten sick yet, knock on wood,
but I feel like when that happens, I might sort
of get a little bit worse. And you know, it's
really important to me, especially for me and for you,
(11:51):
because we are surgeons. We work with our hands. Thankfully
this is my non dominant hand, but I know that
my grip is not as strong now. I mean, I'm
very good with my fingers now, but in the beginning
I had a tough time with this side and it
was really scary. You know that is scary.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm curious about one thing because the two of you
are very similar. You're both very highly trained doctors and
a good.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Way of course, all the good things, yes, all the
good things.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But you're both so smart, and you're both TV stars,
and you're both you know, have these stressful careers.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
At your top of your game. What is this? And
I don't think either of you are people, because I
know you and I know how into your family you
are at all of this, and so is Terry. I
don't think either of you needed a wake up call
per se. But what is this kind of event do
to you?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, I like to turn lemons into lemonade, and I
have to believe that this is a blessing in disguise,
that I we caught this at a time where you know,
my blood pressure is not under control, my cholesterol was
not under control, and I feel like this allowed me
to stop and really pay attention to myself in a
(12:59):
time or I could make things better, you know, and
I think it's hard. I feel like this is a
great message for people in our age range, you know,
late forties, early fifties, mid fifties or later that you
feel like, you know, with the filters and plastic surgery
and cosmetic treatments, you feel like you can look so
young and then you feel like you are young. And
(13:25):
but so I didn't want I don't. I'm the worst patient.
I don't want to see a doctor because that makes
if I go on bood pressure medications, if I go
on cluster medications, I'm old, right, that totally right that
I'm seeing. Yes, you guys understand. So I feel like
it's very important to take care of yourself because really
it's crazy how just a low dose of high blood
(13:48):
pressure medication or you know, cluster medication can actually be
helped to Yeah, helped, but help help me, you know.
I'm just bummed that now I can't take estrogen because
the risk of stroke. I'm like pissed off that things
I can't do now because of the you know, even
the case get nothing. I'm not that I'm thinking about
(14:10):
a face stuff now, but I know that there's risk
on blood dinners. You know, you have to stop those
kinds of things. So it changes.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Everything for me. When it first happened, I felt I
went from feeling invulnerable to suddenly I'm vulnerable, And it
changed my outlook on everything, including how much time do
I want to spend in the operating room, how many
hours not smelling the roses? You know, do I need
to start appreciating the other because to me, I like you.
(14:39):
I love working, I love all things about being intensely
focused on the job. But it really did change my
outlook and it made me much more well. It made
me hyper vigilant about my health, which it's important for
you because it sounds like you're you weren't paying that
much attention to your blood pressure, your cholesterol, and so
now my numbers are perfect, and I'm sure your numbers
(15:01):
are going to, if not perfectly already, but your HDL,
your LDL, your APPOB, you're going to be all over
all that stuff, right, right.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I did not have a PFO as far as I know,
Peyton for him and Ovale, but I and I was
like kind of pissed that that didn't happen, right, because
at least that gives you like a reason, right, you're like, Okay,
it's just me and my poor taking care of myself
and my genes, you know, or something. So it kind
of was annoying that I didn't. I kind of wish
that that had happened.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
He praised.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Certain was the case.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I told the guy when he put me under to
check for that hole in the heart, that could be
the cause, you know, the little plot that passed through
on a recent travel chip. I said, you find a PFO,
all right, And he did, and he welcome because he
goes good news, huge PFO. And of course now I
have the But in your case, the solution is still
(16:02):
the same you need. Yours is a little more takes
a little more effort over a longer sustain period of time.
You got to make sure you're dialed.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's good because again, it makes you want to be
dialed in more so, you know, and not maybe if
I said I had a PFO, I'd be like, oh, well,
now that's true. Care of so now I'm good, you
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's that's a very that's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
When you have a quick, easy reason for why it
happened and it's fixable, then you stop looking at all
those other things that you really should be taking care of.
I totally resonate with what you were saying about how
people don't take care of themselves but they want to
look great.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean, the amount of people I know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
On peptides and GLP ones that refuse to get their
carotids checked or get a colonoscopy is insane to me.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, yeah, you got to. We got to get our
priorities traight. And you know, it is the culture that
sort of can make this happen because we live in
this world where it's so visual, and we are in
this visual world ourselves because we have to keep up
with the Joneses right ourselves, because we are in this world,
and so it is. It's it's a denial, you know that.
(17:13):
It's it's a tough thing. You got to you gotta
pay attention to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Are your parents who are also physicians? Are your parents
on top of their health?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah? They are, they are. They're They're much better than
I am. And I'm getting there. But of course, isn't
it weird that you have a child. It is weird.
It's me the fact that I'm also I mean, I've
got like a neurologists. I've got a cardiologist, I've got
an internis, I got all these people around me all
of a sudden. You know, it's just and I have
parents still that are doing you know, so we have
this shame kind of doctors. I never thought that I
(17:43):
would still you know, you you you kind of think
about that when you're like more in your I feel
like I would think about that more of my eighties,
my seventies, you know, things like that. But it really
is important to have those things sort of started or
kind of getting dialed in, like in your forties and
your fifties.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Really, last time this happened and we at we sort
of publicized this. We got hundreds of not thousands of
emails saying that people got the message and we saved
a lot of lives. And you coming on, I just
think it's really important to stress the fact that you're
in a way lucky because you had signs and symptoms
that were not necessarily recognized, and you could it could
(18:21):
have been much worse, much much worse. In fact, when
you look at the stats, you could be sitting here
with HEMI paralysis and ending your career. And we know
lots of people that's happened to. But the take on
message is if you have any of these be fast
signs or symptoms, you know, paralysis or weakness or speech problems,
(18:42):
we should when she goes, we'll go over that. What
I'd love to know, But but you have there's a
golden hour that you really want to get to within
sixty minutes to the emergency room. And if someone's feeling
this way, if they're a friend of yours, if they're
a loved one, or it's just you, you get your
ass into the emergency there as because you've got about
(19:03):
four and a half. The number they give is four
point five hours to use those clockbusters to limit the
damage that they can cause. And a stroke is really
serious and really debilitating a lot of people don't survive it.
So we're both very lucky.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Sondraw, What do you want whoever's listening to this, what
do you want people's takeaway to be from you?
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I mean exactly what doctor Groff said there. You know
that I think that you've got to be you got
to be aware of what's happening. I really I see
and even my neurologia has said that there are so
many more people at a younger age getting strokes. And
I think it has a lot to do with our
blood pressure, our diabetes, are you know, our our high clesterol.
(19:48):
It has to do with things like PFO and things
and things like that. So I think to recognize that
this could happen to you and to really be conscious
that they there's a timing involved, you know that there's
a time frame that you really want to take advantage of.
And so those those are the really the take home
messages really.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And the other thing is a lot of people don't
want to go to the er because they think they're
going to sit there for five hours. And and doctor
Lee and I have the same experience. When you go
to the er, no matter how busy they are with
signs or symptoms or complaints that might be a significant
for a stroke, They're not letting you sit there. You're
not gonna sit You're gonna go for sure, right, It's true,
(20:32):
it's backstage pass, you're going right in. You're going to
get a.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Toss the backstage pass you want, but still that pass.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yes, right, And this timing could be the difference between
surviving and not surviving or being you know, paralyzed.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I know you have to go. I know you have
a heart out. We adore you.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm so glad that you are okay and that you're
on the mend and now that you're in LA when
you de have dinner.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yes, please, that would be great. I would love that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We love that too.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
All right, we'll get all of us doctors, we'll gravitate
towards us. But yes, I'm so glad that you guys
are doing well. And you got to listen to your
wife more. That's to take home message for you, you know, true.
So so yes, I would love to see you guys again.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
All Right, we have a great thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yes, bye, thanks for coming on. She's amazing that I mean,
first of all, she's one of the nicest people ever.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So nice.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
When I met her, I don't know, years ago, she
came on my pod, Yeah, and we just totally hit
it off.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And she's just the coolest. And then you ended up
doing the.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Weakest link link and you guys all teamed up and
then he cut her at the end and he.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Won Terry yeah barely, but it was though he.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Got I mean literally no answers, right, But that's another story. Yeah, anyway,
let's talk about the stroke symptoms because now that everyone's
locked into this, let's go into fast. Be Fast is
in a ENaC and mused to recognize sudden stroke symptoms.
B for balance, right, so that's she had that balance loss.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Doctor Lee had that. It's sudden loss of coordination. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Eyes eyesight changes.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, very common to have, like you can't see you
know part of your vision.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
F is facial drooping.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, that's I think nobody's missing that one.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
If that happens, well, if you only have that may
be your word it spill's Paul's. You got to check
all the symptoms, right. Then A is arm arm weakness.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Right, weakness or numbness.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And you heard doctor Lee saying she lifted her hands
and run drifted down and one was drifted down and.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Then s speech. Everyone knows that one slurred speech.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Each difficulty and T is the most important.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's timing. That's time you got to get it. Look,
it's better to be safe, okay, and just go get
it checked out. And remember the good news is nobody's
weight making you wait in the emergency room. Your way
time is zero minutes because you get right in and
they're going to do tests on you to make sure
you're not having a stroke.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I mean, that was one of the worst nights of
my life.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, and when you had your stroke and thank god
you're okay, and thank god yours was fixable.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
What I want to know is I wasn't happy about
it being publicized, right, Remember with me. The only reason
I admitted to this thing happening is because there was
a video of you and I fighting outside outside of
the restaurant, the IVY, and they thought we were having
marital troubles, and I said, okay, it was TMZ called
(23:36):
me with that video. We're going to publish this video
Terry and Heather we're having marriytald troubles. And I go, no, no, no, no,
let me tell you what really happened.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Can I tell you what's so insane about that story?
So it happened when we were at the IVY and
we're finally out on the sidewalk having this argument because
I wanted you to go to the hospital and you
didn't want to go. But the ambulances, the ambulance shows up,
the pair medics are there, and this woman who was
inside the restaurant because you could tell from the angle
(24:06):
of the video she was someone dining at the restaurant.
Took this video and sent it to DMZ even after
seeing paramedics there.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's pathetic, isn't that hard? Yeah, So two things that
are significant that night. One, you saved my life. Number Two,
the IVY still made us pay for the meal even
though I was having a stroke.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It got the check.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, paid the check. Yeah, I paid the check. They
are well my meal at the IVY.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So i'm when they don't come for your meal when
you save people from joking.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Either, I was at the IVY once and there was
a piece of glass in my gimlet and it cut
my tongue and they.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Still charged before Anyway, thank goodness, you're okay. Thank goodness,
doctor Lee is okay. Thanks again to doctor Sandra Lee,
doctor pimple Popper. Incredible show that she's on, amazing work
that she does, and she's also one one of the
nicest people of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Anyway, I'm so glad you're good. I'm so glad she's good.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And everyone keep those be fast symptoms in the back
of your mind because you know what you just never know.
And the amount of messages we got saying that they
needed to use those that an acronym, so, you know,
just be aware.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It's one of those things where in medicine we do
these runs of things just in case they happen, and
we do these trial runs, right, what happens If this happens,
that happens, and we practice and we talk about it.
So if you're hearing this podcast, you should talk to
people around you and go, hey, do you guys know
what the signs of a stroke are and what you
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do and you have the Golden hour. It's something just
to talk about. Yeah, you may never see it, but
you may save a life, and the life you save
maybe your own.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
All Right, you guys, Next time
This is Heather Deubrew and this is Terry Borrow, and
we're going to keep this between us and not really,
not really, because today we have an incredible guest. I've
had her previously on the podcast and you have done
a game show with her.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, she is phenomenal, and she's had a recent health
issue that sort of rings close to our home.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
She's an amazing famous position, arguably more famous than.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Me, doctor Sandra Lee, doctor pimple Popper. She's here today.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
She's incredible, and she had a very similar thing that
I had medically, and we basically were able to help
hundreds and maybe thousands of people with this, and we
wanted to hear her experience with this and maybe talk
about it a little bit and what people need to
look for.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay, let's bring her on.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm fine? How are you guys?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Good? God, it's been so long, Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I know, not as long. With doctor Dubrow, I went
down and you know, person with him, he took the lead.
He overshake me, he overtied I held to the way sore.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think I think he played you there.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know, we know who the big boss is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Will please, by the way, thank you for doing this.
I was amazed and blown away when I heard what
happened to you, because something very similar, which you may
mar not know, happened to me. Yeah, And it's really
quite amazing because I mean, you're a lot younger than me,
(01:35):
and we're both but we're both really so we're very
grateful that you would agree to come on and talk
to us about this and share your experience. And I
don't know, I mean, it made such giant news, but
this happened a little bit of time ago, did it not.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, take us through a sondraw what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, And I read about you and what happened with you,
and so I see the general similar pattern, but mine
is a little bit different too, and sort of the
timing of mine and I didn't have a wife like
you on you like that. I have my husband, who
I call Dad because he does run the show in
many ways. He's like my dad, but a similar but
(02:18):
different timing. And I think that's the whole important point
behind this. So really what happened is this did happen
about four and a half months ago, and mine was
a true stroke, like I still have. You know, some
wine wasn't that like Tia so much. And this happened
to me while I was filming the show I have
(02:41):
they had on camera, yes kind of, it had like
the symptoms started to happen at the end of the
day of one day, my first day of taping. I
usually take four days in a row. And this is
the hardest part of the show for me, as it
may be for you when you do the surgical part
of the of the show. It's very time consuming. They
kind of dermatologists. I'm not really accustomed to really continue
(03:04):
with surgery at six pm at the end of the day.
You may be more so as plastics, but I kind
of turned into a pumpkin, you know, And so so
it's stressful to kind of be there until six seven
pm or so. And and I had I've kind of
had a hop flash, which was actually weird for me
because TM I had I had more recently started like
(03:26):
hormone replacement, and so I was feeling pretty good on
that on that side, you know, I wasn't really having
problems with that. And I also then when I went home,
I have to stay at my parents while I'm there
because I now live in la and so when I'm
in when I'm When I was at home with my parents,
I was eating soup and I had trouble swallowing, and
(03:47):
I just thought, oh, maybe I have like a little
reflux or something like that. I'm on some medication to
a reflux, and so I just kind of like said,
let me just go to bed, because I need a
good night's sleep. That's very important because I have to
pace myself three day, four days in a row, you know,
these long, stressful days, big cases. And so I went
to sleep, and I remember when I went to sleep,
I had like restless leg syndrome. I like could not
(04:10):
stop moving. I felt like they were paying shooting through
my legs. I had recently flown like twice too long,
you know, coastal trips, like within a week, really twice,
so a lot of and I don't like to get up.
I like to be slightly dehydrated. I like, I don't
like to go to the bathroom in the plane, that
kind of thing. So so those kinds of things happened,
(04:32):
and so I got up in the middle of the
night to just try to get some food, actually go
to the bathroom, and I kind of stumbled. Bit of course,
it's at nighttime, I'm more worried about trying to sleep.
I was kind of a little off bounced, but I'm
also thinking I'm trying to sleep, you know, that kind
of thing. But the next morning, when I got up,
I tried to walk to the bathroom, and I noticed
(04:53):
that I was unsteady on my feet, a little more
so than usual. I was by myself. So I held
my hand hands out, like, this is what you learn
from your exam, you know, as a medical student rotations.
And when I held my hands out, I said, am
I just fooling myself? Because my left hand would just
subtly collapse. I would try to hold it out again
(05:15):
and it would subtly collapse.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, so that two of the bee fasts balanced and
you have strength, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And soft My left arm was weak. And so I
was like, maybe I'm fooling myself. This is very subtle,
you know. Is this a panic attack? Is this anxiety?
Am I just tired? And then I tried to speak.
I wasn't really speaking to anyone, there was no one
there in the room with me, but I tried to talk,
and I did feel like it took a little more
(05:42):
effort for me to speak so I went downstairs to
see my parents. My dad is also dermatologist, you know,
and he actually had a tia that lasted like maybe
a minute or two when he was sixty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Were you automatically thinking at that time I might be
having a stroke.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well yeah, I mean I out my arms, but like
it was so subtle too. I didn't know, right, And
so I went to ask my dad, and my mom
is a nurse, and so they really, you know, as physicians,
they were like, you know what, right now the er,
it is the best time to go to the er
because it's the morning. You know, it's probably the least
busy and everybody's frash. We all know this, you know,
(06:20):
that's probably the ideal time to go, not late at night.
We freaked, Yes, sure, you know, but also like maybe
hopefully this is a panic attack. I still got ready
for work. I still had full hair and makeup and
scrubs on because I was ready to I there are
people here, right, They've flown in from across the nation.
There's passing crew staying in hotels. You know, this is
how they make their income. There's a lot of people
(06:41):
that are responsible. I'm responsible for and if I don't
show up, nobody gets paid, nobody gets treatment, you know,
all these kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right, So you go to the ear. Do you go
by yourself?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No? I want my mom and my showrunner actually came
to you know, because I told them that I'm going
to the er. And then it's crazy. I don't know
if this happened to you, But once you go in
there and you say like, okay, I'm having a little weakness,
I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Like they get you right in.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I mean, there's a wheelchair right behind me, like will
me through the And my only thought was like, oh
my gosh, I need to make a TikTok about this,
like wheeling through the halls. You know, that's how messed
up my mind, is right, You're like, because this is crazy.
It's like I'm being driven through the holes. And yeah,
I initially.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, Terry thought the same thing. Just so you know,
Terry was in the room. Yes, I know, Terry was
in the room waiting for his results and wanted them
to turn Botched.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
On No but I and by the way, they did
turn botched on it. It happened to be a first run
on Botch that I was watching as I'm having a
struggle anyway, can tell I was massively in denial. I
so badly didn't want it to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, of course, anyway, go ahead. So they're pushing you
through the hose.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So they pushed me through I actually to make a law.
I mean, I don't want to make it like it's
ultimately there wasn't in fact in my right side of
my brain here, and so I didn't really find that
out till it took a little while to get that MRI.
The CT actually was conclusive initially, and then you know,
we wanted to get an MRI. There was a wait time.
But also the fact the key here is really for
(08:07):
everybody listening, is that I sort of had some symptoms
the night before, and so I was really out of
that window to get TPA, which is like a clockbuster,
and that really window is to get that within an
hour to four hours or so, you know, before you
have symptoms, symptoms and signs of a stroke.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So they admitted you, and you were you're not going
to shoot your show, that it's done for.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
A while, Yes, for now, yes, So that was stressful too,
to tell everybody to go home, especially these people that
have been waiting for you know, years decades to get
something done and they finally had the nerve to show
up and then you know, I'm m I A you
know that kind of thing. So it was it was
very stressful.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I'm curious about the difference in men and women, like,
does this present differently in men and women?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So sound it does. It's like a heart attack, very
very similar in that in a man. It's the classic
stroke systems, the bee fast, the balance, the facial droop,
the arm strength, the speech, the whole thing. The bee fast.
Yours was very different. That's very typical of female. Right yours?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Present initially? You just didn't feel well.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Biglen when I actually went in. Yeah, I did have
those symptoms, but they were subtle, So who knows. I mean,
I do I feel bad that I did not present
myself to the er in the evening? Yes, But what
I if I were to go through that situation again
with no knowledge of what was going to happen, I
probably would have done the same thing because I didn't
(09:47):
really recognize. And I think the timing was a big deal,
the fact that this happened right before you try to
go to bed and get a good night's sleep. You know,
you may like if your wife wasn't there with you,
you might have said, like, I'm just going to sleep it, you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Know, like I ran away by the way. I literally
she had to chase me down the block. I so
didn't want to chase him in.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Heels, so let me go to the ar.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
We know what that's like.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, And plus I didn't want to get it he
was I just didn't think it was possible, and I
didn't want to get a diagnose of a stroke. How
did you feel emotionally when the diagnosis was made?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It is something that is like it's it's hard because
there is some PTSD with that, Like especially when I
go back in the situations. I just recently went to
New York, and this happened right after I went to
New York, So you just you just think all all
these sort of things like, oh my gosh, did I
do something here to make this sort of happen. You know,
I got up, I wore my combustion socks. You know,
(10:43):
I got up in the airplane. You know, things like
that that I'm changing because you're conscious of this that
there's a difference, you know, and just just things like
that's a very you know, I feel the show is
a very stressful situation, you know, because it's it is me,
and it's just like you. You're performing surgery with many
multiple cameras on because people are depending on you, cruise
depending on you, all these kinds of things, you know,
(11:06):
so it is hard. Thankfully, I'm doing well. I mean,
I feel like when I get tired, So mine is
different than yours because I don't think I have I
had a full recovery because I truly had a stroke
that really persisted, and so I know that I have
to pace myself more. I'm still four and a half
months out, so if I get overtired overworked, I feel
(11:29):
like I can, you know, symptoms sort of kind of
come back a little bit, not as bad. Everything's better.
So I say like I'm ninety nine percent, but I
range between ninety five and ninety nine depending on my
my my I haven't gotten sick yet, knock on wood,
but I feel like when that happens, I might sort
of get a little bit worse. And you know, it's
really important to me, especially for me and for you,
(11:51):
because we are surgeons. We work with our hands. Thankfully
this is my non dominant hand, but I know that
my grip is not as strong now. I mean, I'm
very good with my fingers now, but in the beginning
I had a tough time with this side and it
was really scary. You know that is scary.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm curious about one thing because the two of you
are very similar. You're both very highly trained doctors and
a good.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Way of course, all the good things, yes, all the
good things.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But you're both so smart, and you're both TV stars,
and you're both you know, have these stressful careers.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
At your top of your game. What is this? And
I don't think either of you are people, because I
know you and I know how into your family you
are at all of this, and so is Terry. I
don't think either of you needed a wake up call
per se. But what is this kind of event do
to you?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, I like to turn lemons into lemonade, and I
have to believe that this is a blessing in disguise,
that I we caught this at a time where you know,
my blood pressure is not under control, my cholesterol was
not under control, and I feel like this allowed me
to stop and really pay attention to myself in a
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time or I could make things better, you know, and
I think it's hard. I feel like this is a
great message for people in our age range, you know,
late forties, early fifties, mid fifties or later that you
feel like, you know, with the filters and plastic surgery
and cosmetic treatments, you feel like you can look so
young and then you feel like you are young. And
(13:25):
but so I didn't want I don't. I'm the worst patient.
I don't want to see a doctor because that makes
if I go on bood pressure medications, if I go
on cluster medications, I'm old, right, that totally right that
I'm seeing. Yes, you guys understand. So I feel like
it's very important to take care of yourself because really
it's crazy how just a low dose of high blood
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pressure medication or you know, cluster medication can actually be
helped to Yeah, helped, but help help me, you know.
I'm just bummed that now I can't take estrogen because
the risk of stroke. I'm like pissed off that things
I can't do now because of the you know, even
the case get nothing. I'm not that I'm thinking about
(14:10):
a face stuff now, but I know that there's risk
on blood dinners. You know, you have to stop those
kinds of things. So it changes.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Everything for me. When it first happened, I felt I
went from feeling invulnerable to suddenly I'm vulnerable, And it
changed my outlook on everything, including how much time do
I want to spend in the operating room, how many
hours not smelling the roses? You know, do I need
to start appreciating the other because to me, I like you.
(14:39):
I love working, I love all things about being intensely
focused on the job. But it really did change my
outlook and it made me much more well. It made
me hyper vigilant about my health, which it's important for
you because it sounds like you're you weren't paying that
much attention to your blood pressure, your cholesterol, and so
now my numbers are perfect, and I'm sure your numbers
(15:01):
are going to, if not perfectly already, but your HDL,
your LDL, your APPOB, you're going to be all over
all that stuff, right, right.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I did not have a PFO as far as I know,
Peyton for him and Ovale, but I and I was
like kind of pissed that that didn't happen, right, because
at least that gives you like a reason, right, you're like, Okay,
it's just me and my poor taking care of myself
and my genes, you know, or something. So it kind
of was annoying that I didn't. I kind of wish
that that had happened.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
He praised.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Certain was the case.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I told the guy when he put me under to
check for that hole in the heart, that could be
the cause, you know, the little plot that passed through
on a recent travel chip. I said, you find a PFO,
all right, And he did, and he welcome because he
goes good news, huge PFO. And of course now I
have the But in your case, the solution is still
(16:02):
the same you need. Yours is a little more takes
a little more effort over a longer sustain period of time.
You got to make sure you're dialed.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's good because again, it makes you want to be
dialed in more so, you know, and not maybe if
I said I had a PFO, I'd be like, oh, well,
now that's true. Care of so now I'm good, you
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's that's a very that's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
When you have a quick, easy reason for why it
happened and it's fixable, then you stop looking at all
those other things that you really should be taking care of.
I totally resonate with what you were saying about how
people don't take care of themselves but they want to
look great.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean, the amount of people I know.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
On peptides and GLP ones that refuse to get their
carotids checked or get a colonoscopy is insane to me.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, yeah, you got to. We got to get our
priorities traight. And you know, it is the culture that
sort of can make this happen because we live in
this world where it's so visual, and we are in
this visual world ourselves because we have to keep up
with the Joneses right ourselves, because we are in this world,
and so it is. It's it's a denial, you know that.
(17:13):
It's it's a tough thing. You got to you gotta
pay attention to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Are your parents who are also physicians? Are your parents
on top of their health?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah? They are, they are. They're They're much better than
I am. And I'm getting there. But of course, isn't
it weird that you have a child. It is weird.
It's me the fact that I'm also I mean, I've
got like a neurologists. I've got a cardiologist, I've got
an internis, I got all these people around me all
of a sudden. You know, it's just and I have
parents still that are doing you know, so we have
this shame kind of doctors. I never thought that I
(17:43):
would still you know, you you you kind of think
about that when you're like more in your I feel
like I would think about that more of my eighties,
my seventies, you know, things like that. But it really
is important to have those things sort of started or
kind of getting dialed in, like in your forties and
your fifties.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Really, last time this happened and we at we sort
of publicized this. We got hundreds of not thousands of
emails saying that people got the message and we saved
a lot of lives. And you coming on, I just
think it's really important to stress the fact that you're
in a way lucky because you had signs and symptoms
that were not necessarily recognized, and you could it could
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have been much worse, much much worse. In fact, when
you look at the stats, you could be sitting here
with HEMI paralysis and ending your career. And we know
lots of people that's happened to. But the take on
message is if you have any of these be fast
signs or symptoms, you know, paralysis or weakness or speech problems,
(18:42):
we should when she goes, we'll go over that. What
I'd love to know, But but you have there's a
golden hour that you really want to get to within
sixty minutes to the emergency room. And if someone's feeling
this way, if they're a friend of yours, if they're
a loved one, or it's just you, you get your
ass into the emergency there as because you've got about
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four and a half. The number they give is four
point five hours to use those clockbusters to limit the
damage that they can cause. And a stroke is really
serious and really debilitating a lot of people don't survive it.
So we're both very lucky.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Sondraw, What do you want whoever's listening to this, what
do you want people's takeaway to be from you?
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I mean exactly what doctor Groff said there. You know
that I think that you've got to be you got
to be aware of what's happening. I really I see
and even my neurologia has said that there are so
many more people at a younger age getting strokes. And
I think it has a lot to do with our
blood pressure, our diabetes, are you know, our our high clesterol.
(19:48):
It has to do with things like PFO and things
and things like that. So I think to recognize that
this could happen to you and to really be conscious
that they there's a timing involved, you know that there's
a time frame that you really want to take advantage of.
And so those those are the really the take home
messages really.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And the other thing is a lot of people don't
want to go to the er because they think they're
going to sit there for five hours. And and doctor
Lee and I have the same experience. When you go
to the er, no matter how busy they are with
signs or symptoms or complaints that might be a significant
for a stroke, They're not letting you sit there. You're
not gonna sit You're gonna go for sure, right, It's true,
(20:32):
it's backstage pass, you're going right in. You're going to
get a.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Toss the backstage pass you want, but still that pass.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yes, right, And this timing could be the difference between
surviving and not surviving or being you know, paralyzed.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I know you have to go. I know you have
a heart out. We adore you.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm so glad that you are okay and that you're
on the mend and now that you're in LA when
you de have dinner.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yes, please, that would be great. I would love that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We love that too.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
All right, we'll get all of us doctors, we'll gravitate
towards us. But yes, I'm so glad that you guys
are doing well. And you got to listen to your
wife more. That's to take home message for you, you know, true.
So so yes, I would love to see you guys again.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
All Right, we have a great thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yes, bye, thanks for coming on. She's amazing that I mean,
first of all, she's one of the nicest people ever.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So nice.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
When I met her, I don't know, years ago, she
came on my pod, Yeah, and we just totally hit
it off.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And she's just the coolest. And then you ended up
doing the.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Weakest link link and you guys all teamed up and
then he cut her at the end and he.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Won Terry yeah barely, but it was though he.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Got I mean literally no answers, right, But that's another story. Yeah, anyway,
let's talk about the stroke symptoms because now that everyone's
locked into this, let's go into fast. Be Fast is
in a ENaC and mused to recognize sudden stroke symptoms.
B for balance, right, so that's she had that balance loss.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Doctor Lee had that. It's sudden loss of coordination. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Eyes eyesight changes.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, very common to have, like you can't see you
know part of your vision.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
F is facial drooping.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, that's I think nobody's missing that one.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
If that happens, well, if you only have that may
be your word it spill's Paul's. You got to check
all the symptoms, right. Then A is arm arm weakness.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Right, weakness or numbness.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And you heard doctor Lee saying she lifted her hands
and run drifted down and one was drifted down and.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Then s speech. Everyone knows that one slurred speech.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Each difficulty and T is the most important.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's timing. That's time you got to get it. Look,
it's better to be safe, okay, and just go get
it checked out. And remember the good news is nobody's
weight making you wait in the emergency room. Your way
time is zero minutes because you get right in and
they're going to do tests on you to make sure
you're not having a stroke.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I mean, that was one of the worst nights of
my life.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, and when you had your stroke and thank god
you're okay, and thank god yours was fixable.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
What I want to know is I wasn't happy about
it being publicized, right, Remember with me. The only reason
I admitted to this thing happening is because there was
a video of you and I fighting outside outside of
the restaurant, the IVY, and they thought we were having
marital troubles, and I said, okay, it was TMZ called
(23:36):
me with that video. We're going to publish this video
Terry and Heather we're having marriytald troubles. And I go, no, no, no, no,
let me tell you what really happened.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Can I tell you what's so insane about that story?
So it happened when we were at the IVY and
we're finally out on the sidewalk having this argument because
I wanted you to go to the hospital and you
didn't want to go. But the ambulances, the ambulance shows up,
the pair medics are there, and this woman who was
inside the restaurant because you could tell from the angle
(24:06):
of the video she was someone dining at the restaurant.
Took this video and sent it to DMZ even after
seeing paramedics there.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's pathetic, isn't that hard? Yeah, So two things that
are significant that night. One, you saved my life. Number Two,
the IVY still made us pay for the meal even
though I was having a stroke.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It got the check.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, paid the check. Yeah, I paid the check. They
are well my meal at the IVY.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So i'm when they don't come for your meal when
you save people from joking.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Either, I was at the IVY once and there was
a piece of glass in my gimlet and it cut
my tongue and they.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Still charged before Anyway, thank goodness, you're okay. Thank goodness,
doctor Lee is okay. Thanks again to doctor Sandra Lee,
doctor pimple Popper. Incredible show that she's on, amazing work
that she does, and she's also one one of the
nicest people of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Anyway, I'm so glad you're good. I'm so glad she's good.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And everyone keep those be fast symptoms in the back
of your mind because you know what you just never know.
And the amount of messages we got saying that they
needed to use those that an acronym, so, you know,
just be aware.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It's one of those things where in medicine we do
these runs of things just in case they happen, and
we do these trial runs, right, what happens If this happens,
that happens, and we practice and we talk about it.
So if you're hearing this podcast, you should talk to
people around you and go, hey, do you guys know
what the signs of a stroke are and what you
(25:44):
do and you have the Golden hour. It's something just
to talk about. Yeah, you may never see it, but
you may save a life, and the life you save
maybe your own.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
All Right, you guys, Next time
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