April 29, 2026 • 22 mins
An upcoming trip has Heather and Terry disagreeing over re-wearing underwear and if jeans are fair game after going commando.
They also break down Kris Jenner's facelift backlash.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather d Row, I'm Terry, and we're going to
keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Not really Hi, how are you good? Oh? But packing?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, packing for a trip that I can't disclose. But
I'm very excited. And yesterday was an incredibly stressful day
only because I'm leaving and when I come back it's
all happening at the same time. I mean wrapping up
filming where it's Mother's Day, the both of the twins
(00:38):
are graduating college on separate coast. Like there's just there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm just going on. I can't believe what goes into
the packing for a trip like that. The coordination of
the outfits, the jewelry, the shoes. Remember I was asking
you last night, So with every outfit, do you coordinate
the exact jewelry you wear?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I do. I'm a particular sort of packer though. I
the reason it takes me so long to pack is
that I try everything on. So Terry used to make
fun of me because I would take out a yellow
legal pad. Do you remember this. I take out a
yellow legal pad and I would write like Tuesday and
you know, Tuesday PM, like whatever the schedule was for
the trip, and you'd be like, just out of curiosity,
(01:21):
what are you wearing on Thursday three? Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes? But I mean when you're doing it for housewives,
then it's a whole other level.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Right. Listen, If we're doing it for if I'm taking
a trip for filming, or if it's a specific trip,
like you know, there's a destination wedding we're going to,
or we're traveling with friends and we're going to very
specific things like the theater, or there's a a black
(01:50):
tye nite or as you know, you have to you
have to really plan it out. So I try on
every outfit and with all the accessories, the jewelry, purse, shooes,
the jacket, the coat, the starf like all the things.
I try it on it till I like it, and
then I lay it down on the floor and I
take a photo of it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Do you wear like different ear rings with every outfit?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It depends. Sometimes I repeat, Oh, I repeat, Wait a minute,
let me just say this. I always repeat my clothes.
As a matter of fact, Gina was making fun of
me the other day for this one dress that I've
worn so many times. I finally had to give it
away because it was really overworn. I think when you
buy good pieces, they're just good forever. I rotate things
(02:32):
and put them away on vacation for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm talking about on this trip. You're not going to
repeat clothes ever? No, okay, So do you repeat ear
rings on the trip?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I could?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Do you repeat? Oh? You haven't worked out the earrings.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I have, but there's options, so it depends.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But do you say I'm gonna wear this earrings with
this necklace and this bracelets or do you mix some
match bracelets?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh? Are you asking if I like, I wore this
bracelet ones, I'm never wearing it again.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm talking about this trip, each outfit. Do you wear
a distinct and unique jewelry with each outfit? Yes? So
you won't repeat earrings, you won't repeat brakes?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, I might. It depends like some trips, not this
trip in particular, but some trips.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
All wear What I am asking about this trip in
this in this.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Trip in particular, Well, I'm just giving the audience the information.
Sometimes I'll just wear a stack. I'll put a necklace
stack together and bracelets and a pair of earrings, and
I wear it for the whole trip. For this particular trip.
I I'm not repeating anything, and I'm wearing a lot
of costume jewelry on this trip.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So how many distinct outfits will you wear for this trip?
Isn't there a breakfast, lunch, dinner outfit or No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, there's less. There's less because some days you know,
it's you're out for the full day in to dinner.
There's one day, so at.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Least okay, one day of two outfits, but the other
days have three, maybe two to three okay, so five
days you're there ish like that, So we're talking about
as much as fifteen.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
No, it's not that many. I'm going to say it's
eight outfits with a couple of justin ks thrown in.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I don't see how you do eight outfits in five
days when you're doing too Okay, so how many suitcases
does this take?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Too?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Do all the housewives do this?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
They have complete I have news Gina's been packed for
two weeks and Shannon won't pack till an hour before
we go. She won't fit in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I mean, the only thing I used to change was
my underwear, and now I don't wear underwear anymore. So
sometimes I will wear the same outfit every single day.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I don't think people would want to know that
you don't wear underwear and you're wearing the same pants.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You don't wear underwear and you wear skirts sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I know, but I don't wear something touching the vadge
area or the butt and not wash it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Really, yes, So you don't think you think it's weird
to wear today with no underwear on two days in
a row.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Did you wear underwear two days in a row?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So it's like you're basically wearing your underward.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Underwear is snug against areas.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Honey, it's rubbing, you know, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You know, and you cut your hair.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I like how I was right, so we moved the
hair is do you like my hair is super cute?
I'm gonna borrow a word from Erica Jane and tell
you that I think it's like a cunty.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Bob, a cunty bob. Uh. Yeah, it kind of is.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It kind of is and I mean that the best way,
and Erica, that's never been my word, but I like it. Wow,
I'm going to give it back now.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
This is a hairstyle. I don't think I've ever seen
you wear really super cute though. Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but it's different. It's completely uh we're not describing it. Oh,
I guess they can see it. Yeah, yeah, it's super short. Wow, yeah,
it looks really My.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Voice is starting to come back, which is great.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So when you come back, we're going to be so busy.
Am I even in town? Do I even operate anymore?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah? So I have?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I have.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yesterday was stressful because I had to get all this
stuff done for graduation and everything before we left. So
I finally did the kids cakes because you know, cakes
are very important to me. So I had tried to
outsource it and give it to someone to do and
they came back and they looked like a seven year
old birthday party case. I was like, no, that is
(06:28):
not the vibe. I'm going to show them to you. Though.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
We should disclose the cake that my mother and my
buddy's mother made us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Why did you tell everyone I have a photo of it?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, when I graduated medical school, which is a big deal. Okay,
it's a big deal. It's a big deal. And my
best friend and I who ultimately was my best man
and my best friend in medical school, in my roommate,
our families combined together for a graduation sort of dinner,
and they got together and bought us a cake. And
(07:03):
to this day I cringed and embarrassed by the horrif horrified.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It was like a big, large sheet cake and on
top of it was a three dimensional doctor bag with
money pouring out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It was and we walked up and we went, are
you serious?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was not there. This was before my time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And by the way, when you graduate medice, when you
graduate med school, you know, you all stand there. It's
called the Hippocratic oath ceremony.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's no harm.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's pretty profound. And UCLA we did a Royce Hall
and this really cool private section of Royce Hall at
UCLA Medical School, and we were all, you know, raising
our right hands and saying the Hippocratic Oath. It was
like a heavy, heavy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Moment and cut to the cake with the money fly.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It was just the wrong message. I don't think. I think.
I don't know how many oaths there that you portray
or you you you you sort of go with in
the Hippocratic oath. But it wasn't like, you know, I
will do no harm, I will not covet the patients
and I will not I will never do anything for
(08:10):
secondary gain. And then you know what the twelfth one was,
and I hope it make a lot of cash.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean it was disgusting.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He didn't show me the picture till a lot later
when you got your final board certification for plastic surgery
that I was around then, yes, before we got married,
and I got you a cake that looked like a
hand stamping certified. Yeah, that was kind a cake that
(08:40):
was cute, right, yeah, I mean it was no money bags.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh my, isn't that awful? Awful?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So I've been working on kids cakes. Do I want
to show it to you?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You should be surprised.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's so I remember.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They're very proud of the cakes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I remember the cake you got them for their sixteenth
birthday though, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, why do you remember that one as opposed to
twenty one?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Or because in the sixteenth one like one of them
have a Porsche, one had a.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Mercedes, they had car.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What's the difference between your case at fair sixteen of
my cake? When I graduated med school.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Sixteen, you get a car? It was like, you know, yeah,
you get a car. You do a cake with a
car on it, like you got your license. Even if
you don't get a car, it's like it's a right
to passage. You got a car.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Had you been around for when I graduated med school,
you probably would have a doctor bag with Van Cleef
coming out of it. Future gifts to look forward to.
So funny, did clovicular blow up recently or what? Oh
(09:51):
my gosh. I've been interviewed so many times about clavicular,
even on ABC News Nightline, and I was trying to
find you know, the message when you talk about clavicular,
you want to warn all these young males not to
do this, not to bone smash, not to take steroids,
not to do crystal meth as an appetite suppressant. They're
(10:13):
just gonna ignore the old guy telling him not to
do anything. So I found kind of a new.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, I was writing a note to you that I
could ask you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Sorry, what's the note? Oh? We got to talk about that, Okay, Yeah,
what I was doing all right? So you know I
and I realized, what is the message me telling young
male young boys not to do various things to look better,
to be more attractive to chicks is like a waste
of time. It's like it's like, yeah, us, it's like
(10:43):
adults or parents telling their kids don't try recreational drugs
in high school. They're gonna experiment with retroait.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
What's the thing we were looking up last night that
we were like, yeah, we can't do this. It's a streaming.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Service, Oh kick kick? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. Terry's like telling me, what's the other one called Twitch?
Tell me about Twitch? Tell me about Kick. I start
looking at them like, oh, this is interesting whatever that.
I start asking chat GBT, and basically Chat was like, honey,
you're too old for that. You just sit down, I know,
sit yourself down.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So I thought that's not practical. I can say that.
Everybody's saying you guys got to stop doing that, and
they're just young boys are just going to ignore this advice.
So I actually gave advice that I thought might resonate
with what you say. Those things that clavicular and the
looks maxing people are telling you to do don't actually work. Oh,
(11:32):
bone smashing doesn't work. Work. Chewing on max gum. I
think they call it to hypert your feet, your facial muscles,
to make you look more masculine. Does it work? I mean,
steroids obviously work, but they all know that, but it's dangerous.
So that was my main message on Nightline was guys,
(11:53):
at the end of the day, what is your purpose
in life? Right? Is your purpose in life to you know,
get slightly better looking? So go out with more girls
on a dating app. Maybe, But if that's true, looks
maxing doesn't actually work. When you look at Clavicular, he
looks like the same kid he was when he's fifteen,
just grown up. None of those things actually changed his face.
(12:16):
He was always good looking, he was always he looked
exactly the same. So looks maxing doesn't work. Don't bother
with it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean, we're just in it. Looks obsessed culture.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's you know, they do it all for the dating app.
Apparently on those dating app ten percent of the guys
getting ninety percent of the women. And by the way,
the other thing that came out recently is this whole
explosion of remember Chris Jenner had her facelift, okay, and
oh my god, it was the most amazing facelift for
doctor must be magic and it when, of course we
all knew it was filters and it was within the
(12:47):
first few months when she was swollen, and nobody really
looks like that at ages. I mean, she looked younger
than Kim did, right, And then of course somebody taking
pictures of her and now shows she looks amazing, but
she looks like Chris Jenner who's seven something years old.
And now there's all this backlash about the facelift technique
that that guy did. Wasn't the deep plane facelift technique.
(13:11):
And then a study just came out in our major
journal Plastic Reconstructive Surgery that looked at fifteen years comparing
all these different kinds of techniques of facelifts, and the
conclusion was they all last.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
About the thing, doesn't matter if it's deep plane or not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Doesn't matter deep plane, if it's smass, if it's limited, whatever,
they all last. And then every plastic surgeon on the
internet is coming on saying, my facelifts last longer than
that facelift, and that facelift is the wrong face if
in a true detail, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It also have to do with physiology.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It does. But what I'm saying is, and obviously the
older the facelift, the less you know it's going to
make you look young for the next ten years. It's
just that there's so much What does that mean? Meaning
if you have a facelift at eighty, that's going to
age more rapidly than if you have a facelift forty.
That's what that Chris Jenner thing did.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, I'll tell you every time I've ever seen Chris,
she always looks phenomenal. And I saw her, I mean
a couple of months after she had it done. Yeah,
she looked amazing. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She didn't look as young as Kim.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And no, she looked great.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah she looked great. But you know, every picture you
saw of her after that, she looked she could be
Kim's sister. She never looked like that was all.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Filters, well, lots of Yeah, people use filters. I try
not to use filters. I don't want people to meet
me a person feel like.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think you ever used a filter.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I really don't. I mean sometimes if I'm taking pictures
with other people and they put a filter on it,
I'm not sad about it, but I don't. I don't
typically use a filter.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I am happy to say that what you see
with me is what you get no filters for I've
never used a filter. I don't know where the filter
function is on me. Although also I don't think I've
ever taken a selfie. There's that too. Oh, I took
(15:06):
a selfie the other day.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's right, Uh, you've never taken a selfie. We made
fun of you on the podcast and we posted the
photo of your selfie.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That was maybe the first selfie.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What a rocket that is?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I've never When do I take a selfie?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh, you've never taken a shirtless picture? Sends it on
the group chat.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's a selfie.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Taking a picture of oneself is by definition.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think it's a selfie. I think when my shirt's
off it doesn't count because that's that's not a selfie.
That's a wowsy you, miss. I am gonna I'm going
to see you in a few days. I'm coming. Yes, okay,
that's I'm very excited. I get I get four days
(15:53):
without you, four days of porno and war movies.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
By the way, I know you think that's funny, But
when was the last time you watched be honest, when
was the last time you watched porn?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't, but I do watch war movies.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I know, But why you try to be funny saying
it's funny but you're not a porn guy. No, but
that would be fine with me, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But pre range gas passing is always enjoying that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I know you like. Yes, listen the war movies and
the gas passing the porn. You're trying to be edgy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How many wives can say that their husbands never pass
gas in front of them? Besides you? What percent?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You may have had an oops once?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well? And by the way, might you have to?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Oh but I'm not sitting here saying you never have it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But do I ever pass gas in front of you?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You really don't.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I do not very Sometimes I wait till the last
second you get out of the room, and then it's okay,
let it go.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Came on and they can imagine I come walking back
in for something. Don't flap the covers. Yes, all right,
well that's all fast. You know what I thought was interesting?
Patrick Ball from the Pit? Did you see that that
he paid off? He had eighty thousand dollars in debt
and as soon as he got the pit, the actor, Yeah,
(17:11):
he paid it off.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Really, do you remember I did that? You did? By
the way what he paid it off.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it was probably credit card debt. I had the
same thing I had, so I because I wasn't I
didn't have a waitress job. I sang with a fourteen
piece big band, and we did Okay, we started doing
you know, started with weddings and stuff, and then we
started doing corporate gigs and all that, and we made
some money. But you know, I accrued like sixty thousand
(17:40):
dollars in credit card debt because I needed to supplement
my income. I probably didn't need to, but I did.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And then when I supplement your Chanel collection, you.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Need Okay, I wasn't buying Chanelle at twenty three.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You weren't. No, I seem to remember he.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Was paying off his student loans. He had eighty thousand
do to the loans. Well, maybe that wasn't the smartest
I did, because aren't student loans the lowest interest rate loans. Yeah,
but I understand what it's like to have debt. I
had credit card debt, and I when I was an actress,
I was singing with my band. I mean, we did well,
but I still had to supplement my income. And so
(18:18):
when I got my first big series regular gig. That
was the first thing I did was pay that off
and opened a swap account.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I actually think you had debt when I met you,
and then the day we got married, you didn't have
any debt. I think you had already paid off all
your debt.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, Oh, are you trying to say you paid it?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No? No, no, I'm saying you paid off your debt
for that's my point.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, No, we were dating when I
paid off my debt. Of course, I hated that. I
hated that. I hated debt. I hated feeling like underwater.
I hated paying off that minimum and knowing I was
accruing interest. That was the worst. As soon as I
got that first big gig, I paid it off and
I opened a schwap account.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He must have felt so good paying off that student.
Yeah yeah, I just think the feeling is probably worth it.
But at the end of the day, though, once you
get successful and you understand finances more, you learn how
to use debt to your advantage, right, because.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But there's different kinds of debt.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yes, but I mean sometimes you borrow against your wealth.
You know the expression by borrow die right, right, so
that you don't have to liquidate any kind of your
assets and pay taxes you borrow against it. Then when
you die it goes. It steps up in its basis
so that when your kids inherit it, they can pay
(19:35):
it off with after tax money rather than pre tax money,
and so you actually leave them a lot more money
had you paid it off before you died.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right that makes make sense? No, no, it does. That's
what there's a lot of things about, like don't you know,
give your parents a house, do it this way, do
it that way?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Because step up bases full disclosure. Like my parents, I
call them patrons of the arts, Like they really supplemented
my income. They took care of me. They knew how
hard I was working to try to, you know, make
it in Hollywood, and I was very lucky and they
paid my rent. But I remember I wanted to be independent, yeah,
(20:13):
so badly. I remember when I could start paying for
my contact lenses, that was very important to me. I
felt like as soon as I could start paying for
stuff like that, that I was surviving.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember when we got engaged, we made our first
big purchase together. That was like one of the best,
most enjoyable purchases ever. Since then, I've never really been
interested in buying expensive things. I don't own anything expensive really,
except for you.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
There's a lot of money rag on me this podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And we bought remember what we bought. That was the
greatest purchase ever.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, we bought bought a Mercedes two seater Mercedes convertible.
It was the gorgeous so so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Nice. Yeah. And the unfortunate thing about me becoming successful
is that the moment I became successful and I could
basically afford anything I wanted, I no longer want anything sucked.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You don't even own a car.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
No, I just don't. I don't wear watches. The only
thing I wear these days is deodorant.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, let's all be thankful for that. Yeah, all right,
Well that's exciting, and wish me luck on my trip.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Oh, you're going to have the best time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
By the way, I just got to tell you, I'm
actually so excited.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, you're going to a place that's very interesting, right,
And of course we can't disclose that, but we can
disclose that I'm going, yes, yes, So hopefully you're intact
emotionally when I get there.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And I got my country bot yes.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And that we don't have to spend several days rehabbing
you so that we can enjoy ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Got okay, wish to be luck Say but
I'm Heather d Row, I'm Terry, and we're going to
keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Not really Hi, how are you good? Oh? But packing?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, packing for a trip that I can't disclose. But
I'm very excited. And yesterday was an incredibly stressful day
only because I'm leaving and when I come back it's
all happening at the same time. I mean wrapping up
filming where it's Mother's Day, the both of the twins
(00:38):
are graduating college on separate coast. Like there's just there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm just going on. I can't believe what goes into
the packing for a trip like that. The coordination of
the outfits, the jewelry, the shoes. Remember I was asking
you last night, So with every outfit, do you coordinate
the exact jewelry you wear?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I do. I'm a particular sort of packer though. I
the reason it takes me so long to pack is
that I try everything on. So Terry used to make
fun of me because I would take out a yellow
legal pad. Do you remember this. I take out a
yellow legal pad and I would write like Tuesday and
you know, Tuesday PM, like whatever the schedule was for
the trip, and you'd be like, just out of curiosity,
(01:21):
what are you wearing on Thursday three? Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes? But I mean when you're doing it for housewives,
then it's a whole other level.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Right. Listen, If we're doing it for if I'm taking
a trip for filming, or if it's a specific trip,
like you know, there's a destination wedding we're going to,
or we're traveling with friends and we're going to very
specific things like the theater, or there's a a black
(01:50):
tye nite or as you know, you have to you
have to really plan it out. So I try on
every outfit and with all the accessories, the jewelry, purse, shooes,
the jacket, the coat, the starf like all the things.
I try it on it till I like it, and
then I lay it down on the floor and I
take a photo of it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Do you wear like different ear rings with every outfit?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It depends. Sometimes I repeat, Oh, I repeat, Wait a minute,
let me just say this. I always repeat my clothes.
As a matter of fact, Gina was making fun of
me the other day for this one dress that I've
worn so many times. I finally had to give it
away because it was really overworn. I think when you
buy good pieces, they're just good forever. I rotate things
(02:32):
and put them away on vacation for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm talking about on this trip. You're not going to
repeat clothes ever? No, okay, So do you repeat ear
rings on the trip?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I could?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Do you repeat? Oh? You haven't worked out the earrings.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I have, but there's options, so it depends.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But do you say I'm gonna wear this earrings with
this necklace and this bracelets or do you mix some
match bracelets?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh? Are you asking if I like, I wore this
bracelet ones, I'm never wearing it again.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm talking about this trip, each outfit. Do you wear
a distinct and unique jewelry with each outfit? Yes? So
you won't repeat earrings, you won't repeat brakes?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, I might. It depends like some trips, not this
trip in particular, but some trips.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
All wear What I am asking about this trip in
this in this.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Trip in particular, Well, I'm just giving the audience the information.
Sometimes I'll just wear a stack. I'll put a necklace
stack together and bracelets and a pair of earrings, and
I wear it for the whole trip. For this particular trip.
I I'm not repeating anything, and I'm wearing a lot
of costume jewelry on this trip.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So how many distinct outfits will you wear for this trip?
Isn't there a breakfast, lunch, dinner outfit or No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, there's less. There's less because some days you know,
it's you're out for the full day in to dinner.
There's one day, so at.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Least okay, one day of two outfits, but the other
days have three, maybe two to three okay, so five
days you're there ish like that, So we're talking about
as much as fifteen.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
No, it's not that many. I'm going to say it's
eight outfits with a couple of justin ks thrown in.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I don't see how you do eight outfits in five
days when you're doing too Okay, so how many suitcases
does this take?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Too?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Do all the housewives do this?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
They have complete I have news Gina's been packed for
two weeks and Shannon won't pack till an hour before
we go. She won't fit in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I mean, the only thing I used to change was
my underwear, and now I don't wear underwear anymore. So
sometimes I will wear the same outfit every single day.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I don't think people would want to know that
you don't wear underwear and you're wearing the same pants.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You don't wear underwear and you wear skirts sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I know, but I don't wear something touching the vadge
area or the butt and not wash it.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Really, yes, So you don't think you think it's weird
to wear today with no underwear on two days in
a row.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Did you wear underwear two days in a row?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So it's like you're basically wearing your underward.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Underwear is snug against areas.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Honey, it's rubbing, you know, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You know, and you cut your hair.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I like how I was right, so we moved the
hair is do you like my hair is super cute?
I'm gonna borrow a word from Erica Jane and tell
you that I think it's like a cunty.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Bob, a cunty bob. Uh. Yeah, it kind of is.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It kind of is and I mean that the best way,
and Erica, that's never been my word, but I like it. Wow,
I'm going to give it back now.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
This is a hairstyle. I don't think I've ever seen
you wear really super cute though. Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but it's different. It's completely uh we're not describing it. Oh,
I guess they can see it. Yeah, yeah, it's super short. Wow, yeah,
it looks really My.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Voice is starting to come back, which is great.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So when you come back, we're going to be so busy.
Am I even in town? Do I even operate anymore?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah? So I have?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I have.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yesterday was stressful because I had to get all this
stuff done for graduation and everything before we left. So
I finally did the kids cakes because you know, cakes
are very important to me. So I had tried to
outsource it and give it to someone to do and
they came back and they looked like a seven year
old birthday party case. I was like, no, that is
(06:28):
not the vibe. I'm going to show them to you. Though.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
We should disclose the cake that my mother and my
buddy's mother made us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Why did you tell everyone I have a photo of it?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Okay, when I graduated medical school, which is a big deal. Okay,
it's a big deal. It's a big deal. And my
best friend and I who ultimately was my best man
and my best friend in medical school, in my roommate,
our families combined together for a graduation sort of dinner,
and they got together and bought us a cake. And
(07:03):
to this day I cringed and embarrassed by the horrif horrified.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It was like a big, large sheet cake and on
top of it was a three dimensional doctor bag with
money pouring out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It was and we walked up and we went, are
you serious?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was not there. This was before my time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And by the way, when you graduate medice, when you
graduate med school, you know, you all stand there. It's
called the Hippocratic oath ceremony.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's no harm.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's pretty profound. And UCLA we did a Royce Hall
and this really cool private section of Royce Hall at
UCLA Medical School, and we were all, you know, raising
our right hands and saying the Hippocratic Oath. It was
like a heavy, heavy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Moment and cut to the cake with the money fly.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It was just the wrong message. I don't think. I think.
I don't know how many oaths there that you portray
or you you you you sort of go with in
the Hippocratic oath. But it wasn't like, you know, I
will do no harm, I will not covet the patients
and I will not I will never do anything for
(08:10):
secondary gain. And then you know what the twelfth one was,
and I hope it make a lot of cash.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean it was disgusting.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He didn't show me the picture till a lot later
when you got your final board certification for plastic surgery
that I was around then, yes, before we got married,
and I got you a cake that looked like a
hand stamping certified. Yeah, that was kind a cake that
(08:40):
was cute, right, yeah, I mean it was no money bags.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh my, isn't that awful? Awful?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So I've been working on kids cakes. Do I want
to show it to you?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You should be surprised.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's so I remember.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They're very proud of the cakes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I remember the cake you got them for their sixteenth
birthday though, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, why do you remember that one as opposed to
twenty one?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Or because in the sixteenth one like one of them
have a Porsche, one had a.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Mercedes, they had car.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What's the difference between your case at fair sixteen of
my cake? When I graduated med school.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Sixteen, you get a car? It was like, you know, yeah,
you get a car. You do a cake with a
car on it, like you got your license. Even if
you don't get a car, it's like it's a right
to passage. You got a car.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Had you been around for when I graduated med school,
you probably would have a doctor bag with Van Cleef
coming out of it. Future gifts to look forward to.
So funny, did clovicular blow up recently or what? Oh
(09:51):
my gosh. I've been interviewed so many times about clavicular,
even on ABC News Nightline, and I was trying to
find you know, the message when you talk about clavicular,
you want to warn all these young males not to
do this, not to bone smash, not to take steroids,
not to do crystal meth as an appetite suppressant. They're
(10:13):
just gonna ignore the old guy telling him not to
do anything. So I found kind of a new.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, I was writing a note to you that I
could ask you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Sorry, what's the note? Oh? We got to talk about that, Okay, Yeah,
what I was doing all right? So you know I
and I realized, what is the message me telling young
male young boys not to do various things to look better,
to be more attractive to chicks is like a waste
of time. It's like it's like, yeah, us, it's like
(10:43):
adults or parents telling their kids don't try recreational drugs
in high school. They're gonna experiment with retroait.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
What's the thing we were looking up last night that
we were like, yeah, we can't do this. It's a streaming.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Service, Oh kick kick? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. Terry's like telling me, what's the other one called Twitch?
Tell me about Twitch? Tell me about Kick. I start
looking at them like, oh, this is interesting whatever that.
I start asking chat GBT, and basically Chat was like, honey,
you're too old for that. You just sit down, I know,
sit yourself down.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So I thought that's not practical. I can say that.
Everybody's saying you guys got to stop doing that, and
they're just young boys are just going to ignore this advice.
So I actually gave advice that I thought might resonate
with what you say. Those things that clavicular and the
looks maxing people are telling you to do don't actually work. Oh,
(11:32):
bone smashing doesn't work. Work. Chewing on max gum. I
think they call it to hypert your feet, your facial muscles,
to make you look more masculine. Does it work? I mean,
steroids obviously work, but they all know that, but it's dangerous.
So that was my main message on Nightline was guys,
(11:53):
at the end of the day, what is your purpose
in life? Right? Is your purpose in life to you know,
get slightly better looking? So go out with more girls
on a dating app. Maybe, But if that's true, looks
maxing doesn't actually work. When you look at Clavicular, he
looks like the same kid he was when he's fifteen,
just grown up. None of those things actually changed his face.
(12:16):
He was always good looking, he was always he looked
exactly the same. So looks maxing doesn't work. Don't bother
with it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean, we're just in it. Looks obsessed culture.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's you know, they do it all for the dating app.
Apparently on those dating app ten percent of the guys
getting ninety percent of the women. And by the way,
the other thing that came out recently is this whole
explosion of remember Chris Jenner had her facelift, okay, and
oh my god, it was the most amazing facelift for
doctor must be magic and it when, of course we
all knew it was filters and it was within the
(12:47):
first few months when she was swollen, and nobody really
looks like that at ages. I mean, she looked younger
than Kim did, right, And then of course somebody taking
pictures of her and now shows she looks amazing, but
she looks like Chris Jenner who's seven something years old.
And now there's all this backlash about the facelift technique
that that guy did. Wasn't the deep plane facelift technique.
(13:11):
And then a study just came out in our major
journal Plastic Reconstructive Surgery that looked at fifteen years comparing
all these different kinds of techniques of facelifts, and the
conclusion was they all last.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
About the thing, doesn't matter if it's deep plane or not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Doesn't matter deep plane, if it's smass, if it's limited, whatever,
they all last. And then every plastic surgeon on the
internet is coming on saying, my facelifts last longer than
that facelift, and that facelift is the wrong face if
in a true detail, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It also have to do with physiology.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It does. But what I'm saying is, and obviously the
older the facelift, the less you know it's going to
make you look young for the next ten years. It's
just that there's so much What does that mean? Meaning
if you have a facelift at eighty, that's going to
age more rapidly than if you have a facelift forty.
That's what that Chris Jenner thing did.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, I'll tell you every time I've ever seen Chris,
she always looks phenomenal. And I saw her, I mean
a couple of months after she had it done. Yeah,
she looked amazing. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
She didn't look as young as Kim.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And no, she looked great.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah she looked great. But you know, every picture you
saw of her after that, she looked she could be
Kim's sister. She never looked like that was all.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Filters, well, lots of Yeah, people use filters. I try
not to use filters. I don't want people to meet
me a person feel like.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think you ever used a filter.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I really don't. I mean sometimes if I'm taking pictures
with other people and they put a filter on it,
I'm not sad about it, but I don't. I don't
typically use a filter.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I am happy to say that what you see
with me is what you get no filters for I've
never used a filter. I don't know where the filter
function is on me. Although also I don't think I've
ever taken a selfie. There's that too. Oh, I took
(15:06):
a selfie the other day.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's right, Uh, you've never taken a selfie. We made
fun of you on the podcast and we posted the
photo of your selfie.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That was maybe the first selfie.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What a rocket that is?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I've never When do I take a selfie?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh, you've never taken a shirtless picture? Sends it on
the group chat.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
That's a selfie.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Taking a picture of oneself is by definition.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think it's a selfie. I think when my shirt's
off it doesn't count because that's that's not a selfie.
That's a wowsy you, miss. I am gonna I'm going
to see you in a few days. I'm coming. Yes, okay,
that's I'm very excited. I get I get four days
(15:53):
without you, four days of porno and war movies.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
By the way, I know you think that's funny, But
when was the last time you watched be honest, when
was the last time you watched porn?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't, but I do watch war movies.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I know, But why you try to be funny saying
it's funny but you're not a porn guy. No, but
that would be fine with me, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But pre range gas passing is always enjoying that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I know you like. Yes, listen the war movies and
the gas passing the porn. You're trying to be edgy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How many wives can say that their husbands never pass
gas in front of them? Besides you? What percent?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You may have had an oops once?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well? And by the way, might you have to?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Oh but I'm not sitting here saying you never have it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
But do I ever pass gas in front of you?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You really don't.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I do not very Sometimes I wait till the last
second you get out of the room, and then it's okay,
let it go.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Came on and they can imagine I come walking back
in for something. Don't flap the covers. Yes, all right,
well that's all fast. You know what I thought was interesting?
Patrick Ball from the Pit? Did you see that that
he paid off? He had eighty thousand dollars in debt
and as soon as he got the pit, the actor, Yeah,
(17:11):
he paid it off.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Really, do you remember I did that? You did? By
the way what he paid it off.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it was probably credit card debt. I had the
same thing I had, so I because I wasn't I
didn't have a waitress job. I sang with a fourteen
piece big band, and we did Okay, we started doing
you know, started with weddings and stuff, and then we
started doing corporate gigs and all that, and we made
some money. But you know, I accrued like sixty thousand
(17:40):
dollars in credit card debt because I needed to supplement
my income. I probably didn't need to, but I did.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And then when I supplement your Chanel collection, you.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Need Okay, I wasn't buying Chanelle at twenty three.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You weren't. No, I seem to remember he.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Was paying off his student loans. He had eighty thousand
do to the loans. Well, maybe that wasn't the smartest
I did, because aren't student loans the lowest interest rate loans. Yeah,
but I understand what it's like to have debt. I
had credit card debt, and I when I was an actress,
I was singing with my band. I mean, we did well,
but I still had to supplement my income. And so
(18:18):
when I got my first big series regular gig. That
was the first thing I did was pay that off
and opened a swap account.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I actually think you had debt when I met you,
and then the day we got married, you didn't have
any debt. I think you had already paid off all
your debt.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, Oh, are you trying to say you paid it?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
No? No, no, I'm saying you paid off your debt
for that's my point.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, No, we were dating when I
paid off my debt. Of course, I hated that. I
hated that. I hated debt. I hated feeling like underwater.
I hated paying off that minimum and knowing I was
accruing interest. That was the worst. As soon as I
got that first big gig, I paid it off and
I opened a schwap account.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
He must have felt so good paying off that student.
Yeah yeah, I just think the feeling is probably worth it.
But at the end of the day, though, once you
get successful and you understand finances more, you learn how
to use debt to your advantage, right, because.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But there's different kinds of debt.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yes, but I mean sometimes you borrow against your wealth.
You know the expression by borrow die right, right, so
that you don't have to liquidate any kind of your
assets and pay taxes you borrow against it. Then when
you die it goes. It steps up in its basis
so that when your kids inherit it, they can pay
(19:35):
it off with after tax money rather than pre tax money,
and so you actually leave them a lot more money
had you paid it off before you died.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right that makes make sense? No, no, it does. That's
what there's a lot of things about, like don't you know,
give your parents a house, do it this way, do
it that way?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Because step up bases full disclosure. Like my parents, I
call them patrons of the arts, Like they really supplemented
my income. They took care of me. They knew how
hard I was working to try to, you know, make
it in Hollywood, and I was very lucky and they
paid my rent. But I remember I wanted to be independent, yeah,
(20:13):
so badly. I remember when I could start paying for
my contact lenses, that was very important to me. I
felt like as soon as I could start paying for
stuff like that, that I was surviving.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember when we got engaged, we made our first
big purchase together. That was like one of the best,
most enjoyable purchases ever. Since then, I've never really been
interested in buying expensive things. I don't own anything expensive really,
except for you.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
There's a lot of money rag on me this podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And we bought remember what we bought. That was the
greatest purchase ever.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, we bought bought a Mercedes two seater Mercedes convertible.
It was the gorgeous so so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Nice. Yeah. And the unfortunate thing about me becoming successful
is that the moment I became successful and I could
basically afford anything I wanted, I no longer want anything sucked.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You don't even own a car.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
No, I just don't. I don't wear watches. The only
thing I wear these days is deodorant.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, let's all be thankful for that. Yeah, all right,
Well that's exciting, and wish me luck on my trip.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Oh, you're going to have the best time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
By the way, I just got to tell you, I'm
actually so excited.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, you're going to a place that's very interesting, right,
And of course we can't disclose that, but we can
disclose that I'm going, yes, yes, So hopefully you're intact
emotionally when I get there.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And I got my country bot yes.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And that we don't have to spend several days rehabbing
you so that we can enjoy ourselves.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Got okay, wish to be luck Say but
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