April 8, 2026 • 25 mins
From looksmaxxing to unregulated peptides and extreme DIY methods, Dr. Dubrow warns about the risky reality of chasing the "ideal" face.
Then, Heather questions whether celebrity procedure transparency is fueling more self-doubt than confidence.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm heatherdy Brow and we're going to keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not really, not really. No, I'm not wearing any makeup today.
I'm going a little makeup. Fore. How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh? You look good? You look great.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have this malasma spot that I cannot get rid.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Of from where? From what? I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's right here. You can't see that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh my gosh, look at the malasma on my face.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I remember, well, you did a CO two laser to
fix it, yes, and then you proceeded to three weeks
later sit in the sun with no sun's great, So
that was not the smartest.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I have incredible milasma.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I just have this one spot, but it's really obvious.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But I went on that trans exemic acid creampot and
the pills. Yeah, because that's what I was told to
do by two different people.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And I'm going to tell you something didn't work.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, you should try either some TCA local TCA. What's
that appeel tries to chlorosic acid peel or a little
and or a little hydrokronone cream Yep, that's sort of
the standard thing that works for that. Yeah, so interesting
times right now?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, how so I mean, I'm it's because I've been
doing a lot of interviewing lately. I've been getting a
lot of inquiries to talk about various hot topics that
are circulated.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Give me the hot topic.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, right now, it seems like everyone wants to ask
me about looks maxing.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I just recently became aware of looks maxing. Yes,
and there's one person in particular that people talk.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
About, Clavicular and the Syrian Psycho.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know Clavicular and the Syrian Psycho.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
If you've not heard of this, I literally know everything
there is to know about looks Maxing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, we can explain it because I sort of under
I mean, it's like people who punch themselves to look
better kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So it weirdly, I even know the history about it. It
started out when these guys on body builder forums, We're
posing things about their diet and whatever supplements they take
in their physique, and some guys started to poach at
them about yeah, but what about the face and started
ragging on them about the face.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And I mean, like, their bodies look great and their
face isn't terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, Instead, you know, you really, guys really need to
do something about your face and then sort of these
two guys came famous for this. But it's where it's
rooted is really ugly. Okay, it's rooted in what they
call the insul culture in how that in I n CEO,
which is, you know, involuntarily celibate, And it's a bunch
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of young guys who, for one reason or another think
that you know, your sexual identity and your sexual attractiveness
is based on you know, your your sort of your
genetics and how lucky you were, and if you don't
look a certain way, don't even try.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And you know, so they're celibate because they feel like
they could never get with someone because they don't look
good enough.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes and so, and then the culture expanded a bunch
of these like cisgender straight white guys sort of ragging
on women and taking this It was very very negative
and so there's a very negative sort of sub tone
and subculture to it all. But it really is all
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about if you ignore that, just look about what they're
trying to do. What their goals are They trying to,
you know, increase their sexual market value basically.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's almost counterintuitive to what their original like. It
sounds like they were They were upset about the way
they look, so they didn't even try to get with
a partner, right, and then they turned on women.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
They yeah, they attributed to it's all about yeah women.
And then and then then it became about okay, what
are we doing to maximize our sexual market value? That's
the goal? Okay. And so there's two general types of
looks maxing. Do you find this interesting?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm fascinating.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean, why not just go Okay, well I
don't look great, so maybe I need my nose done.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Why aren't I going to that? Why aren't they going
to the dermatologist of the plastic surgeon?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Okay, that would be called hardmaxing. There's two types. There's
two general clouded categories. There's soft maxing HU, which is
all about you know, hair style and maybe teeth whiting, okay,
you know, maybe your diet, your skincare. And then there's
hard maaxing, which is things that vary from you know,
things you do with a scalpel or laser to really
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weird DYI things like smack, bone smashing and mewing. Mewing
and bone smashing the two weirdest things.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wait, hold on, so when you're saying soft maxing and
hard maaxing, Like we all do that, right, soft maxing
is get the way we all use soft maxing and
hard mass That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We all do.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know, we get our hair dyed, we get our
nails done, we use skincare. And then the hardmaxing is
the lasers and the plastic surgery and all those things.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
How did it go from that to DIY procedures.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, they take it to an extreme level where they
they these these uh looks. Maxers create this idealized version
of what a young man should look like, and there's
certain features like they even though things like that, only
plastic surgeons really talk about it, like IPD interpupillary distance,
the distance between your pupils. There's sort of an idealized distance.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Because if your eyes are too close together, it's unattractive.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Then you're a.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Fish and cheek bone height and canthl tilt you know
you should they call the hunter eyes where your canthus
should have an upward tilt and point down towards your nose.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Oh wait a minute, you can't make your eyes farther apart, No.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But you can do things to simulate making these things happen.
And then there's jawlines strengthening and definition and increasing, you know,
like what I have. That's kind of apparely a good
thing to have a big, wide jaw.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's masculine.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, And so there's these two things called bone smashing
and mewing. Okay, what's bone smashing is the DIY version
of hardmaxing, where hardmaxing would be like baselift, rhinoplasty and
so on cheek in plant jaw surgery. Bone smashing is
the concept of actually smashing your bones with a hammer,
breaking it down and having What happens is when you
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do that, it can stimulate bone growth and lead to
overgrowth in a certain areas. Smash you're a mandible and
have it increase in width.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay, so you are taking an actual I need to
understand this. You're taking an actual like a real hammer hammer,
and they are hammering their jaw to the point that it's.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Breaking, smashing, bruising, causing trauma. So that but is the
jaw now broken, No, not a complete facial fracture, but
smashing it to the point where it'll become hypertrophic. It'll
grow in response to the traumatic injury, but you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Can't define or figure out how much it's going to grow.
What if it's can't be even on both sides.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Obviously it's I think it's mainly from a plaster just
point of you. It's mainly bs the concept of it,
But they do it and they seem to think it works.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
What's mewing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Mewing is where you put a tongue at the roof
of your mouth to try to stimulate your muscles to
have a more angular jawline.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, you know, people do say that when you take
a picture, Yeah, you should put your tongue.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
On this to induce permanent changes. So these are these
ridiculous things. And then they go on and they they're
very critical and very judging about the way people look.
And then of course they're making your super self conscious
about the way you look. And it's bad enough growing
up besides you, who genetically have this amazing face, how
many of your friends you know hated the way they
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look and still hate the way they look, And you
just get used to it and you go, well, maybe
there's some other more important things to focus on. But
could you imagine being at that most insecure point in
your life?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
We told these people, Oh, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's males between like the age of you know, thirteen,
Oh they're young and twenty three, twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah. So it's an very and so everybody's asking to
interview me about this looks maxing thing, and it's it's
it's a terrible message, and it's just going to put
more people into the plastic surgeon's office, particularly those plastic
surgeons who are doing, you know, edge type things that
are sort of not that accepted. There's a couple in
(08:37):
Beverly Hills who will go unnamed, who are doing things
to clavicals. What can you do to it? You can
you know, cracture the clavical and make the claviical more
or less prominent. Oh that's a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And what are they doing with their ribs? Isn't that
what they say? Shared it take some ribs share?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wasn't that? Is that an urban legend that shared took
ribs out?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Maybe lots of people have taken a rib out right
to make you know, your waists thinner and things like that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So it's a really bizarre time to be a plastic
surgeon in this you know, this is a and it's
you know, there are websites about it. It's funny. I
just the other day was looking at this looksmaxing dot com,
which is just has there's nothing about the negative stuff,
there's no massogyny, there's none of the negative stuff. But
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it's really about Hey, if you're interested, we'll help you
look your best life. Send us your picture and what.
They'll tell you, where to aim the hammer, they'll critique you,
they'll tell you where to go get various services.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So are the oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So are there places you can go for someone to
hammer your jaw for you not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So much hammer your job. They'll they'll tell you how
to hammer, where to hammer, when to hammer, and how
to max, how to looks max. So it's a really incredibly.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Isn't it like kind of a pseudo doctory kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well, what are peptides anyway? You know, look at half
the podiatrists or chiropractors and Jim Bros. And influencer giving
medical advice about these drugs. By the way, I posted,
I did an interview the other day on Garth Fisher's
radio show. Yeah I saw and he put it was
really fun and he was amazing, and we agreed.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You guys have known each other for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, and we agreeed on virtually everything, not
virtually literally everything. And he puts out these little as
do as do podcasts and interviews, put out little highlights
to get people maybe interested in, Hey, we'll have Terry
Debrow and we're going to talk about this. And so
you put out, oh, plast surgery, this and what it's
like to be on a reality show. And he goes, oh,
(10:53):
you're you're the pioneer of reality shows. And I look
at first, I go, I'm the pioneer. Me. I go,
you're guard if you started Extreme maker Over it. He
was really and he was in the Swan first no
Extreme Makeover seven season for the Swan. But anyway, he
put out, I was looking at this highlights thing, and
it said, you know what, I'm really what are your
most concerned about. One of the things I'm concerned about
(11:14):
is that these peptides. One day a peptide is going
to come out that has really down the road, very delayed,
significant dangerous side effects that we won't know until everybody
is uesday.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And then so I saw that and then I looked
at the comments and decided to clearly, like, you know,
one hundred and twenty seven comments, and everyone ragged on
me about these are not drugs and food is not
FDA regulated. It's like, yeah, because it's not a I
don't know drug, and yes they are drugs, and it's
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almost like politics some of this stuff. People are going
to believe what they're going to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, they believe what they want to believe.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, But also it's so crazy to me because to me,
the peptides.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
All into the supplement arena because no, no in my brain.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And I said, I'm just telling you how I how
I think about them because they're not a quote drug,
meaning they're not Is insulin a drug?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that a peptide?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yes? Is semi glute cider drug? Yes, that's a peptide.
Oh yeah, Is growth horm on a drug? Yes, that's
a peptide. Okay, they're just not approved peptide. And not
only not approved, they're untested drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But didn't you tell me that they would never those
would never be tested drugs because there's no money in it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
There's no money and there's no patent protection.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, But same with supplements, right, right, But supplements, there's
certain supplements that could be potentially dangerous.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, and they're often taking off the market. Yeah, they're
that dangerous. But but the difference between a peptide and
a supplement is a peptide is injected. A peptide works
on in what's called an end organ It actually works
directly on receptors at an organ level, where supplements they
don't do that at all. They they improve the status
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the homeostatic you know, environments for a favorable situation. So
you can so on and so forth. But anyway, you know, so,
I'm never going to convince. And by the way, that's
why now when I talk about peptides, I talk about them.
I know about them. I talk about how to use
them affirmatively if you're going to use sensibly, yes, and
(13:28):
we take peptides.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So what do you think we're doing that we shouldn't
be doing.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, what peptides? What peptides are you willing to
admit you take?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I take, I talk about it. I take mazi.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, wait, I tried. I tried the Wolverine when I
was having back pain.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Which is the BPC one five seven, And I thought five.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Hundred, but I don't have chronic pain, so I don't
think I need to be on that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And then I tried the CPJ is at the copper
CPC CPC.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I tried the copper and then I tried the clone,
which is a mix of the two of those, and.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That copper glow Glow is a mix Cloko Kloe has
got Wolverine, it's got copper. Yeah, there's not two of them,
it's like four.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, I tried that. But what I found was is
that that CPC, the copper one. They say, you get
the copper uglies.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
For a while. That's the GHK see you the copper one.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I tried it alone and I tried it in the
stack and it made me break out and I hated
it and I could never To me, it was like
retin eg Yeah, They're like, you know, you got to
suffer through it and push through and I know to
the other side. So I never use the retine products.
But I found the same thing with the copper. I
hated it, and I have good skit and but I
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wanted it for the hair and all that, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I couldn't do that one. But to me, the Mazi.
I feel good, I have energy, I sleep better. I
love that Mazi. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The problem with the Mazi, like the problem with all
the pep tizes, is where are you getting it from?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't know where are you going to?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, you get it from you know, a pharmacy
that you compounding, pharmacy that we don't know anything about.
It's not really very sort of license and you know, surveiled,
and it's very unclear where they're getting them, where they're
making and are they getting them from China? Do they
have you know, heavy metals in them, or or viruses
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or no, or exotoxins. It's just a very This is
the most interesting time to be alive as a human being,
both from a health and wellness longevity perspective and AI.
And I know, let's not give me start today. I
know by the way I had today. I was in
the office going and I saw these patients and the
second patient came in for a face. So we talked
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about facelift for twenty minutes and talked about longevity and
AI for an hour my office going let's go. We
have other patients. But I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now you know, if you're waiting in Terry's office. He's
talking about AI.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
We're either going to end up living to one hundred
and forty looking amazing, or we're going to have three
heads and be dead within ten years one or the other.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Speaking of which, we watched the finale of Paradise last.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Night, second season. It was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
We can't spoiler anything, but if you were not watching
the show, you've got it's really easy watch.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's only eight episodes, two seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's really.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is so talented, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, it's really good, but it kind.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Of leans into a lot of what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I have a I think
an interview coming up with like ABC News or something
about looks Maxing.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean, I naturally have to acknowledge that its roots
are very negative and that it reinforces in promulgates a
very potentially negative, insecure method or insecure sort of attitude
and to you're you're only worth worthy of, you know, anything,
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if you can increase your sexual market value, and if
you don't look a certain way, you're worthless and all
that kind It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
On the other hand, it's basically plastic surgery, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's just you know, it's a non doctor plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Not really, because a lot of it's hard maxing that
involves plastic surgery, and a lot of it's softmaxing that
involves all the things we talk about, which is getting care.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But isn't the really troubling part about it is that
it's self afflicted.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think the troubling part about it is to make
young males become incredibly insecure, and.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They already are. Young people are.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And have their value only proportional to their idealized look
their looks as compares to an idealized version of themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, welcome to all women have been going to for centuries.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, but men ares And can you imagine letting loose
these men onto society who are angry, angry than they
are anyway because they don't look a certain way, And
it's just it's but anyway, So my attitude is I'm
going to acknowledge that its roots are a problem and
the pursuit of the idealized versions of your face is
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not a good pursuit. But then let's be honest. A
lot of what we do as plastic surgeons and consumers
and even you and I in the health and beauty
world is looks maxing. We're really trying to do the
adult version of looks maxing.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think something that you have always talked about that
you do really well in your practice too, is, you know,
you get to the root of why someone wants to
have surgery, because you want people to be in the
right you know, psychological frame.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And be doing it for the right reasons, like having
confidence and all. That is great.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But someone who is self loathing, yeah, and whatnot, there's
deeper issues then, you know, just taking a bump off
of those.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I mean it's weird because everybody, all these celebrities
publishing their pictures of their facelift is in a weird
way hurting things. You know, it's just making people more
insecure to be fifty and have some jowling and.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Laxat I would think it would do the opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I would think that before when people were saying, God,
they were just born this way, they're aging so beautifully
and all this kind of thing. Now then go oh,
well they had surgery, so I could do that too.
It makes it more achievable.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Or when you see these you know, these fresh face
celebrities through by the way, are one month out from
their facelift, just give it six months and not going
to look anything like that anymore. And that's the truth,
They're all. It's made you feel as if you have
any kind of laxity around your jawline or deepening of
your nasal labial folds, that you should be upset because
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what these celebrities are looking perfect now.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, it is a tough I think it's a tough
thing to constantly read the headlines, especially as women who
are aging, to read the headlines that are that are
like forever thirty. Like I don't care how much you
take care of yourself and how much.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Surgery you have, you can't be or look forever thirty.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And then there's there's skin quality and there I mean,
how many how many facelifts can a person have in
their lifetime? Is it unlimited or is there a point
where you can't do that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think that you yeah, I mean it depends obviously,
But I think the big concern is not how many,
is that when does it? If you have too many,
you will for sure reach the point we're looking weird.
And why was that, because there's no question is you
get older, your skin is going to stretch and become
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more relax If it stretches out in a way that
isn't in line with the exact pull of the facelift,
that's when you get that weird altered sweep of relaxation
to your skin where it just looks it just looks alien, altered, bizarre.
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And once you get that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And you know, I can't turn that around, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Very very hard to fix that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Also, you know, one thing that you've always said is
the enemy of good is better. Yeah, right, And so
I think and I see this with people too. You know,
it's like, you know, they get a little lip filler
and it's like, well, if that's good, more is going
to look even better. And then and you start to lose,
you get distorted.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's funny what I noticed about me because you know,
I've taken the GLP one drugs and I've really cut
down my body fat and I work out because I'm
trying to achieve escape longevity, escape velocity. You know, I
could talk about that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
For we're going to is it. Sometimes I'm trying to
get back to his birthway.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Sometimes I'm basically getting most of my calories through the
air or sniffing the mints on the way out of
the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You're not eating.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And I'm kidding, birth weight. I think that's a good one.
I noticed, like, I looked in the mirror last night,
and you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Were staring at yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Teeth.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He does that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Just look in the mirror, stare at yourself. Never anything.
I avoided this look in the mirror, and I caught
a glimpse and that you know, it was nighttime and
there was I go huh, and I did, for the
first time, flexed. No, I didn't flex bullshit. No, it
wasn't my face. It was my face, not my body.
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And I did what you guys do. That's stupid, that's
that just the most irritating thing. Where you look in
the mirror and you have your phone here and you
take that ridiculous selfie where you can see the phone
that you're holding, and that really dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh I did that, let me see it?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh, And I thought I looked particularly good. Good.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Is this like that time where you told me you
could sing and you were driving in the car.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Br yourself cut a record show, you said.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was driving in the car the other night and
I had the radio and I was realizing I am
a good singer.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So I shut off the radio really fast and I
kept singing, and I was like, I can sing.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Okay, here's the picture.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Tell me if you don't think I look pretty good
in there. This is last night. By the way, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You look like you. You look good. That's what you
look like.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Oh memory on vacation. And I got up and I
went over to the mirror and I said, oh my god,
I looked so horrible and old and grew nose.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Vacation. We're in Cabo at last Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I don't know it was. And remember that I was
looking at her. I go, oh my god, I look
like the grandfather of somebody's grandfather.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well you're wheezing like the grandfather of someone's grandfather.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But don't you think I look pretty good right now?
Or is this you just look like you?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
No? What I'm telling you is you look handsome, and
you look like that is what you look like.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I mean, look, but you know what that brings up
an important point and too important the body number one happening.
You are a narcissist. Wow, I just want to highlight that.
And you do look at yourself quite.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
In love with me? Oh my god, look at that.
I mean, I've looked really bad in the recent past.
I just thought i'd get a little something something, a
little pop. By the way, if you showed me a
picture of you, no matter what you look like, I
would say, oh, you're right, you look good.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just said you look good. You didn't hear me
because you're too busy talking. You said look mean, and
I said, you look good.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's what you by the way you're saying you like
you is not a compliment.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But but what I what you're missing is you you
think you look good in this picture. And I am corroborating. Now,
only do you look good, that's what you look like.
So this is your own body dysmorphia. Well, if you
don't think, if you think you look good in that picture,
that's what you look like, you should be happy with
how you look. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but it's hard,
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you know, aging is hard. Looking in the mirrorsard not.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
For you generally. I really don't care. I just want
to be healthy and to be happy and live as
long as I can to help take care of you
and the family.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
That is so nice. Okay,
I'm heatherdy Brow and we're going to keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not really, not really. No, I'm not wearing any makeup today.
I'm going a little makeup. Fore. How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh? You look good? You look great.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have this malasma spot that I cannot get rid.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Of from where? From what? I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's right here. You can't see that.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh my gosh, look at the malasma on my face.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I remember, well, you did a CO two laser to
fix it, yes, and then you proceeded to three weeks
later sit in the sun with no sun's great, So
that was not the smartest.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I have incredible milasma.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I just have this one spot, but it's really obvious.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But I went on that trans exemic acid creampot and
the pills. Yeah, because that's what I was told to
do by two different people.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And I'm going to tell you something didn't work.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, you should try either some TCA local TCA. What's
that appeel tries to chlorosic acid peel or a little
and or a little hydrokronone cream Yep, that's sort of
the standard thing that works for that. Yeah, so interesting
times right now?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, how so I mean, I'm it's because I've been
doing a lot of interviewing lately. I've been getting a
lot of inquiries to talk about various hot topics that
are circulated.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Give me the hot topic.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, right now, it seems like everyone wants to ask
me about looks maxing.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I just recently became aware of looks maxing. Yes,
and there's one person in particular that people talk.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
About, Clavicular and the Syrian Psycho.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know Clavicular and the Syrian Psycho.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
If you've not heard of this, I literally know everything
there is to know about looks Maxing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, we can explain it because I sort of under
I mean, it's like people who punch themselves to look
better kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So it weirdly, I even know the history about it. It
started out when these guys on body builder forums, We're
posing things about their diet and whatever supplements they take
in their physique, and some guys started to poach at
them about yeah, but what about the face and started
ragging on them about the face.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And I mean, like, their bodies look great and their
face isn't terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yes, Instead, you know, you really, guys really need to
do something about your face and then sort of these
two guys came famous for this. But it's where it's
rooted is really ugly. Okay, it's rooted in what they
call the insul culture in how that in I n CEO,
which is, you know, involuntarily celibate, And it's a bunch
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of young guys who, for one reason or another think
that you know, your sexual identity and your sexual attractiveness
is based on you know, your your sort of your
genetics and how lucky you were, and if you don't
look a certain way, don't even try.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And you know, so they're celibate because they feel like
they could never get with someone because they don't look
good enough.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes and so, and then the culture expanded a bunch
of these like cisgender straight white guys sort of ragging
on women and taking this It was very very negative
and so there's a very negative sort of sub tone
and subculture to it all. But it really is all
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about if you ignore that, just look about what they're
trying to do. What their goals are They trying to,
you know, increase their sexual market value basically.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's almost counterintuitive to what their original like. It
sounds like they were They were upset about the way
they look, so they didn't even try to get with
a partner, right, and then they turned on women.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
They yeah, they attributed to it's all about yeah women.
And then and then then it became about okay, what
are we doing to maximize our sexual market value? That's
the goal? Okay. And so there's two general types of
looks maxing. Do you find this interesting?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm fascinating.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, I mean, why not just go Okay, well I
don't look great, so maybe I need my nose done.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Why aren't I going to that? Why aren't they going
to the dermatologist of the plastic surgeon?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Okay, that would be called hardmaxing. There's two types. There's
two general clouded categories. There's soft maxing HU, which is
all about you know, hair style and maybe teeth whiting, okay,
you know, maybe your diet, your skincare. And then there's
hard maaxing, which is things that vary from you know,
things you do with a scalpel or laser to really
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weird DYI things like smack, bone smashing and mewing. Mewing
and bone smashing the two weirdest things.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wait, hold on, so when you're saying soft maxing and
hard maaxing, Like we all do that, right, soft maxing
is get the way we all use soft maxing and
hard mass That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We all do.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You know, we get our hair dyed, we get our
nails done, we use skincare. And then the hardmaxing is
the lasers and the plastic surgery and all those things.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
How did it go from that to DIY procedures.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, they take it to an extreme level where they
they these these uh looks. Maxers create this idealized version
of what a young man should look like, and there's
certain features like they even though things like that, only
plastic surgeons really talk about it, like IPD interpupillary distance,
the distance between your pupils. There's sort of an idealized distance.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Because if your eyes are too close together, it's unattractive.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Then you're a.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Fish and cheek bone height and canthl tilt you know
you should they call the hunter eyes where your canthus
should have an upward tilt and point down towards your nose.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Oh wait a minute, you can't make your eyes farther apart, No.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But you can do things to simulate making these things happen.
And then there's jawlines strengthening and definition and increasing, you know,
like what I have. That's kind of apparely a good
thing to have a big, wide jaw.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's masculine.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, And so there's these two things called bone smashing
and mewing. Okay, what's bone smashing is the DIY version
of hardmaxing, where hardmaxing would be like baselift, rhinoplasty and
so on cheek in plant jaw surgery. Bone smashing is
the concept of actually smashing your bones with a hammer,
breaking it down and having What happens is when you
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do that, it can stimulate bone growth and lead to
overgrowth in a certain areas. Smash you're a mandible and
have it increase in width.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay, so you are taking an actual I need to
understand this. You're taking an actual like a real hammer hammer,
and they are hammering their jaw to the point that it's.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Breaking, smashing, bruising, causing trauma. So that but is the
jaw now broken, No, not a complete facial fracture, but
smashing it to the point where it'll become hypertrophic. It'll
grow in response to the traumatic injury, but you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Can't define or figure out how much it's going to grow.
What if it's can't be even on both sides.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Obviously it's I think it's mainly from a plaster just
point of you. It's mainly bs the concept of it,
But they do it and they seem to think it works.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
What's mewing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Mewing is where you put a tongue at the roof
of your mouth to try to stimulate your muscles to
have a more angular jawline.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, you know, people do say that when you take
a picture, Yeah, you should put your tongue.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
On this to induce permanent changes. So these are these
ridiculous things. And then they go on and they they're
very critical and very judging about the way people look.
And then of course they're making your super self conscious
about the way you look. And it's bad enough growing
up besides you, who genetically have this amazing face, how
many of your friends you know hated the way they
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look and still hate the way they look, And you
just get used to it and you go, well, maybe
there's some other more important things to focus on. But
could you imagine being at that most insecure point in
your life?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
We told these people, Oh, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's males between like the age of you know, thirteen,
Oh they're young and twenty three, twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah. So it's an very and so everybody's asking to
interview me about this looks maxing thing, and it's it's
it's a terrible message, and it's just going to put
more people into the plastic surgeon's office, particularly those plastic
surgeons who are doing, you know, edge type things that
are sort of not that accepted. There's a couple in
(08:37):
Beverly Hills who will go unnamed, who are doing things
to clavicals. What can you do to it? You can
you know, cracture the clavical and make the claviical more
or less prominent. Oh that's a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And what are they doing with their ribs? Isn't that
what they say? Shared it take some ribs share?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Wasn't that? Is that an urban legend that shared took
ribs out?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Maybe lots of people have taken a rib out right
to make you know, your waists thinner and things like that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So it's a really bizarre time to be a plastic
surgeon in this you know, this is a and it's
you know, there are websites about it. It's funny. I
just the other day was looking at this looksmaxing dot com,
which is just has there's nothing about the negative stuff,
there's no massogyny, there's none of the negative stuff. But
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it's really about Hey, if you're interested, we'll help you
look your best life. Send us your picture and what.
They'll tell you, where to aim the hammer, they'll critique you,
they'll tell you where to go get various services.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So are the oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So are there places you can go for someone to
hammer your jaw for you not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So much hammer your job. They'll they'll tell you how
to hammer, where to hammer, when to hammer, and how
to max, how to looks max. So it's a really incredibly.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Isn't it like kind of a pseudo doctory kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well, what are peptides anyway? You know, look at half
the podiatrists or chiropractors and Jim Bros. And influencer giving
medical advice about these drugs. By the way, I posted,
I did an interview the other day on Garth Fisher's
radio show. Yeah I saw and he put it was
really fun and he was amazing, and we agreed.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You guys have known each other for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, and we agreeed on virtually everything, not
virtually literally everything. And he puts out these little as
do as do podcasts and interviews, put out little highlights
to get people maybe interested in, Hey, we'll have Terry
Debrow and we're going to talk about this. And so
you put out, oh, plast surgery, this and what it's
like to be on a reality show. And he goes, oh,
(10:53):
you're you're the pioneer of reality shows. And I look
at first, I go, I'm the pioneer. Me. I go,
you're guard if you started Extreme maker Over it. He
was really and he was in the Swan first no
Extreme Makeover seven season for the Swan. But anyway, he
put out, I was looking at this highlights thing, and
it said, you know what, I'm really what are your
most concerned about. One of the things I'm concerned about
(11:14):
is that these peptides. One day a peptide is going
to come out that has really down the road, very delayed,
significant dangerous side effects that we won't know until everybody
is uesday.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And then so I saw that and then I looked
at the comments and decided to clearly, like, you know,
one hundred and twenty seven comments, and everyone ragged on
me about these are not drugs and food is not
FDA regulated. It's like, yeah, because it's not a I
don't know drug, and yes they are drugs, and it's
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almost like politics some of this stuff. People are going
to believe what they're going to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, they believe what they want to believe.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, But also it's so crazy to me because to me,
the peptides.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
All into the supplement arena because no, no in my brain.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And I said, I'm just telling you how I how
I think about them because they're not a quote drug,
meaning they're not Is insulin a drug?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that a peptide?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yes? Is semi glute cider drug? Yes, that's a peptide.
Oh yeah, Is growth horm on a drug? Yes, that's
a peptide. Okay, they're just not approved peptide. And not
only not approved, they're untested drugs.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But didn't you tell me that they would never those
would never be tested drugs because there's no money in it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
There's no money and there's no patent protection.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, But same with supplements, right, right, But supplements, there's
certain supplements that could be potentially dangerous.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, and they're often taking off the market. Yeah, they're
that dangerous. But but the difference between a peptide and
a supplement is a peptide is injected. A peptide works
on in what's called an end organ It actually works
directly on receptors at an organ level, where supplements they
don't do that at all. They they improve the status
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the homeostatic you know, environments for a favorable situation. So
you can so on and so forth. But anyway, you know, so,
I'm never going to convince. And by the way, that's
why now when I talk about peptides, I talk about them.
I know about them. I talk about how to use
them affirmatively if you're going to use sensibly, yes, and
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we take peptides.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So what do you think we're doing that we shouldn't
be doing.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, what peptides? What peptides are you willing to
admit you take?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I take, I talk about it. I take mazi.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, wait, I tried. I tried the Wolverine when I
was having back pain.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Which is the BPC one five seven, And I thought five.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Hundred, but I don't have chronic pain, so I don't
think I need to be on that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And then I tried the CPJ is at the copper
CPC CPC.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I tried the copper and then I tried the clone,
which is a mix of the two of those, and.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That copper glow Glow is a mix Cloko Kloe has
got Wolverine, it's got copper. Yeah, there's not two of them,
it's like four.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, I tried that. But what I found was is
that that CPC, the copper one. They say, you get
the copper uglies.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
For a while. That's the GHK see you the copper one.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I tried it alone and I tried it in the
stack and it made me break out and I hated
it and I could never To me, it was like
retin eg Yeah, They're like, you know, you got to
suffer through it and push through and I know to
the other side. So I never use the retine products.
But I found the same thing with the copper. I
hated it, and I have good skit and but I
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wanted it for the hair and all that, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I couldn't do that one. But to me, the Mazi.
I feel good, I have energy, I sleep better. I
love that Mazi. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The problem with the Mazi, like the problem with all
the pep tizes, is where are you getting it from?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't know where are you going to?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, you get it from you know, a pharmacy
that you compounding, pharmacy that we don't know anything about.
It's not really very sort of license and you know, surveiled,
and it's very unclear where they're getting them, where they're
making and are they getting them from China? Do they
have you know, heavy metals in them, or or viruses
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or no, or exotoxins. It's just a very This is
the most interesting time to be alive as a human being,
both from a health and wellness longevity perspective and AI.
And I know, let's not give me start today. I
know by the way I had today. I was in
the office going and I saw these patients and the
second patient came in for a face. So we talked
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about facelift for twenty minutes and talked about longevity and
AI for an hour my office going let's go. We
have other patients. But I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now you know, if you're waiting in Terry's office. He's
talking about AI.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
We're either going to end up living to one hundred
and forty looking amazing, or we're going to have three
heads and be dead within ten years one or the other.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Speaking of which, we watched the finale of Paradise last.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Night, second season. It was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
We can't spoiler anything, but if you were not watching
the show, you've got it's really easy watch.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's only eight episodes, two seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's really.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is so talented, it's so good.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, it's really good, but it kind.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Of leans into a lot of what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I have a I think
an interview coming up with like ABC News or something
about looks Maxing.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean, I naturally have to acknowledge that its roots
are very negative and that it reinforces in promulgates a
very potentially negative, insecure method or insecure sort of attitude
and to you're you're only worth worthy of, you know, anything,
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if you can increase your sexual market value, and if
you don't look a certain way, you're worthless and all
that kind It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
On the other hand, it's basically plastic surgery, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's just you know, it's a non doctor plastic surgery.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Not really, because a lot of it's hard maxing that
involves plastic surgery, and a lot of it's softmaxing that
involves all the things we talk about, which is getting care.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But isn't the really troubling part about it is that
it's self afflicted.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think the troubling part about it is to make
young males become incredibly insecure, and.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
They already are. Young people are.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And have their value only proportional to their idealized look
their looks as compares to an idealized version of themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, welcome to all women have been going to for centuries.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, but men ares And can you imagine letting loose
these men onto society who are angry, angry than they
are anyway because they don't look a certain way, And
it's just it's but anyway, So my attitude is I'm
going to acknowledge that its roots are a problem and
the pursuit of the idealized versions of your face is
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not a good pursuit. But then let's be honest. A
lot of what we do as plastic surgeons and consumers
and even you and I in the health and beauty
world is looks maxing. We're really trying to do the
adult version of looks maxing.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think something that you have always talked about that
you do really well in your practice too, is, you know,
you get to the root of why someone wants to
have surgery, because you want people to be in the
right you know, psychological frame.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And be doing it for the right reasons, like having
confidence and all. That is great.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But someone who is self loathing, yeah, and whatnot, there's
deeper issues then, you know, just taking a bump off
of those.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I mean it's weird because everybody, all these celebrities
publishing their pictures of their facelift is in a weird
way hurting things. You know, it's just making people more
insecure to be fifty and have some jowling and.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Laxat I would think it would do the opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I would think that before when people were saying, God,
they were just born this way, they're aging so beautifully
and all this kind of thing. Now then go oh,
well they had surgery, so I could do that too.
It makes it more achievable.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Or when you see these you know, these fresh face
celebrities through by the way, are one month out from
their facelift, just give it six months and not going
to look anything like that anymore. And that's the truth,
They're all. It's made you feel as if you have
any kind of laxity around your jawline or deepening of
your nasal labial folds, that you should be upset because
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what these celebrities are looking perfect now.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, it is a tough I think it's a tough
thing to constantly read the headlines, especially as women who
are aging, to read the headlines that are that are
like forever thirty. Like I don't care how much you
take care of yourself and how much.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Surgery you have, you can't be or look forever thirty.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And then there's there's skin quality and there I mean,
how many how many facelifts can a person have in
their lifetime? Is it unlimited or is there a point
where you can't do that?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think that you yeah, I mean it depends obviously,
But I think the big concern is not how many,
is that when does it? If you have too many,
you will for sure reach the point we're looking weird.
And why was that, because there's no question is you
get older, your skin is going to stretch and become
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more relax If it stretches out in a way that
isn't in line with the exact pull of the facelift,
that's when you get that weird altered sweep of relaxation
to your skin where it just looks it just looks alien, altered, bizarre.
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And once you get that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And you know, I can't turn that around, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Very very hard to fix that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Also, you know, one thing that you've always said is
the enemy of good is better. Yeah, right, And so
I think and I see this with people too. You know,
it's like, you know, they get a little lip filler
and it's like, well, if that's good, more is going
to look even better. And then and you start to lose,
you get distorted.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's funny what I noticed about me because you know,
I've taken the GLP one drugs and I've really cut
down my body fat and I work out because I'm
trying to achieve escape longevity, escape velocity. You know, I
could talk about that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
For we're going to is it. Sometimes I'm trying to
get back to his birthway.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Sometimes I'm basically getting most of my calories through the
air or sniffing the mints on the way out of
the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You're not eating.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And I'm kidding, birth weight. I think that's a good one.
I noticed, like, I looked in the mirror last night,
and you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Were staring at yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Teeth.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He does that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Just look in the mirror, stare at yourself. Never anything.
I avoided this look in the mirror, and I caught
a glimpse and that you know, it was nighttime and
there was I go huh, and I did, for the
first time, flexed. No, I didn't flex bullshit. No, it
wasn't my face. It was my face, not my body.
(22:49):
And I did what you guys do. That's stupid, that's
that just the most irritating thing. Where you look in
the mirror and you have your phone here and you
take that ridiculous selfie where you can see the phone
that you're holding, and that really dumb.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh I did that, let me see it?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh, And I thought I looked particularly good. Good.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Is this like that time where you told me you
could sing and you were driving in the car.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Br yourself cut a record show, you said.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was driving in the car the other night and
I had the radio and I was realizing I am
a good singer.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So I shut off the radio really fast and I
kept singing, and I was like, I can sing.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Okay, here's the picture.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Tell me if you don't think I look pretty good
in there. This is last night. By the way, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You look like you. You look good. That's what you
look like.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Oh memory on vacation. And I got up and I
went over to the mirror and I said, oh my god,
I looked so horrible and old and grew nose.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Vacation. We're in Cabo at last Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I don't know it was. And remember that I was
looking at her. I go, oh my god, I look
like the grandfather of somebody's grandfather.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well you're wheezing like the grandfather of someone's grandfather.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But don't you think I look pretty good right now?
Or is this you just look like you?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
No? What I'm telling you is you look handsome, and
you look like that is what you look like.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I mean, look, but you know what that brings up
an important point and too important the body number one happening.
You are a narcissist. Wow, I just want to highlight that.
And you do look at yourself quite.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
In love with me? Oh my god, look at that.
I mean, I've looked really bad in the recent past.
I just thought i'd get a little something something, a
little pop. By the way, if you showed me a
picture of you, no matter what you look like, I
would say, oh, you're right, you look good.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just said you look good. You didn't hear me
because you're too busy talking. You said look mean, and
I said, you look good.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's what you by the way you're saying you like
you is not a compliment.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But but what I what you're missing is you you
think you look good in this picture. And I am corroborating. Now,
only do you look good, that's what you look like.
So this is your own body dysmorphia. Well, if you
don't think, if you think you look good in that picture,
that's what you look like, you should be happy with
how you look. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but it's hard,
(25:33):
you know, aging is hard. Looking in the mirrorsard not.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
For you generally. I really don't care. I just want
to be healthy and to be happy and live as
long as I can to help take care of you
and the family.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
That is so nice. Okay,
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