March 4, 2026 • 32 mins
Heather’s new hair is a vibe and Jim Carrey’s new face is hard to describe.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm heather Dy Brow.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm doctor Terry Brow, and we're going to keep this
between us, but not really.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I cut my hair.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It looks so good. That is what I used to
call heady hair from sitcom era. What's funny is I
met you have this hair.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I know you know how your phone and I know
it listens to us whatever. But it was pulling up
pictures of that's life.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, and it was. That was twenty five years ago
and it's almost the same hair I was going to do.
I was going to post a side by side picture.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah. By the way, the guy who did the Rachel
Right from Friends, didn't he do this original haird on you?
No he didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, Kelly cliinbed it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, I thought, did he ever? Do?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Want to know Kelly didn't cut this?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
But yeah, I tested for There was a spinoff of
Friends with Matt LeBlanc Right called Joey Right, and I
tested to play his sister.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right and got really close to getting it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It was between me and Geda Gershan and Debbie Mazar
and which was weird because we're all friends.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That is so difficult And.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Then they were like thinking about it and circling and
then they ended up just giving it to Dre D
Matteo in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The Sopranos thing.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, because of whatever, she's talented, because she's great. You know.
It was a completely different way to go. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, But while I was there, the part that the
part character was a hairdresser, and so it was so funny.
So Chris McMillian, who's very famous hairdresser, did the chel
He did the Rachel among other things. And I was
in the dressing room and he came in to do
my hair.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And he came in to do my hair and he's
playing around with my hair and he goes, you want
me to cut it?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I was like no, I mean I didn't know
who he was.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It was like, I was just about to screen test
for this major show.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Do I want someone to cut my hair? I don't.
I was like no, and he goes, okay, and he goes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I mean you And I knew he was someone from
the chrispick mellon team, right, and he said something and
he goes, well, you know i'm here, you might as
well take advantage of it. And I said, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You are a Chris mc millan and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He said, yes, oh cut away, Oh you did get Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Cute, that wasn't this hair? Oh? By the way, this
is my favorite hair on you. You know, I love
this hair. You know why some people they need the
hair to augment the face or to cover the face,
or to cover the face, or to minimize the face. Yeah,
well augment you can. Yeah, you you just need the
hair to go with the face.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh my god, how much? How sweet? Is my husband?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Too good?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Right now? What does he want?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I remember on an episode of Housewives, everyone asked what's
your favorite body part of your significantly significant other?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Someone said vagina?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, And they asked Brooks, right, and they asked me
about you and I said face, yeah, yeah, because that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You really like me right now?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think you have a nice weekend. I think, uh,
you know, you look so good. And the hair is saga.
You love me. And the hair was perfect. That's fun. No,
And the hair's perfect. His hair was perfect? Werewolf of London? Well,
there's so many things in the news right now, obviously,
some very bad things and some very weird interesting things
(03:17):
like Carrie, Jim I keep you know's calling me? What
do you think about Jim Carrey. What do you think
about Jim Carrey? And do you think about Jim care Well,
first of all, I had heard it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Him, that it was Alexis Stone, that it was.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This a major impersonator and TMZ very talented. I said,
I think it's not him. I hear and DMZ called
me and said, oh no, no, no, we already know
it's him. He was there with this whole family and
eight other guests.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In his publicist I think, came out also and said
it's him.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So, I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think it's why I'll tell you what I think.
I don't care, that's what I think. You know what
I think Jim Carrey is an incredibly talented guy who
went to an awards thing with his family, right, and
why is the only take home about his looks? I
you know, I cannot stand the plastic surgery talk. I
(04:13):
think it's gross. I think asking people what they've had
is gross. I think talking about people's looks is gross? Like,
why why do we have.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To do that?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I mean, and he's
probably now you know, Bradley Cooper's best friend. I mean
because now no one's talking about Brad Cooper anymore. But
it's the new it's the new Brad Cooper moment. I mean,
did someone else Let's just let's just I mean, if
we can just ignore it and say, but let's just
be honest. I mean, everyone wants to know what happened?
(04:44):
Did he have plastic surgery? And you know, obviously our
answer is no, one's business. It's rude, it's uncivilized, and
it is it's rude, it's uncivilized. But he does look
very different, so you know, and and everybody's gonna conject
pure and discuss and talk about it. I've already seen
all the idiot plastic surgeons online saying, yeah, I'm roll
(05:07):
up his umbrellain is on fat tram mid face. You
know they're all doing that, right, I don't know. I mean,
obviously he does look different. My theory maybe is that
have you ever seen anyone in your entire life has
been able to contort their face as well as Jim Carrey?
(05:28):
And so you know, I went on a GLP one
drug a while ago, and I lost weight very very quickly,
and your face changed, and my body skin changed and
my face changed a little bit. My body skin. Yeah,
and so maybe that's part of whether he's done anything
(05:48):
or not. I mean, clearly, when you can do that
kind of insanity with your face, maybe it's just still
part and parcel of that process. I know that's not
really an answer.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So you're saying, maybe he con towarts his face so
much that it's sagged or aged weird. I mean, you
know there are people that just age differently than others.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it's true, it's true. But you know, without putting
to you find a point on it. Why are women
having things done and looking so amazing and men and
men are looking weird?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Why is that all right? Not knowing who's going to
who and where everyone? And why?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I promise you the same surgeons are doing both. Well,
that's women and the men. The same three guys are
doing all these people. This is why I don't do celebrities,
because I don't want to be judged and I just
don't want to be part of that whole scene. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But you've said for years that you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Have to do men completely, you.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Have to do men differently. But it's also you know,
also it's not one size fit all.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, you have to look at people differently.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
If a woman has a very hooded upper eyelid and
that is her look, and you do an upper bluff
and you completely take away all the eyelid.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Skin, she will look different.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, so you should leave a little And I guess
it's the same thing for men. Men like, I'm looking
at your upper eyelids line right, you have upper eyelid skin.
But if you had your eyes done, you would specifically
tell them leave upper eyelid skin.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Don't take it all out, or I'm gonna look weird.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think that take home messages. If you're a guy
and you're gonna have facial work done, say to the surgeon,
let's make this stage one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh, get so they have a lighter hand.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Get me fifty percent of the way.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There, go to second base, not a home run.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Leave me with excess upper elid skin. Don't add volume
to my cheeks. Don't pull the neck completely tight.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's too feminizing. This is the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If you have a surgeon that's gonna do the same
exactly work on a man and a woman, the man
is going to look weird. Women look different. Women They
have faces are tighter, their eyes have less skin, they
have more volume in the cheek.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Than a guy. You can't do the same thing on
a dude.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, it's fine. I've never been afraid to do men
because I always have always had such a light hand
anyway that i'd much rather a guy say to me.
And by the way, I always tell the ill this. Listen,
I'm not going to feminize your eyes. So I'm going
to leave you with significant amount of a brylet hooting
like you did when you were nineteen. Okay, right, I go,
So let's do this. Let's do this. If I leave
(08:38):
you with too much of brailid skin, I will take
more for free later. But you can't put it better, no, ken,
So less is more when it comes to a guy's pluss.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
What else is going on? You've been so sweet to
me the last few days. Mean, well, look at my wrist.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
What is that? Is that a skin test that you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yes, I'm allergic to all hair dye except the one
that I use, and it's just the worst hair dye
and it really doesn't last.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's not the stuff in your hair. Now.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No, I don't know if you could see this, but
I have like a huge red raw patch on my
wrist from a patch test for a new hair color
that clearly I'm allergic to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh so you didn't use it?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Now, Okay, this was the patch test to see if
I could tolerate very sensitive, very yes.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Very sensitivo.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What are you gonna eat at Craigs tonight?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I think I'm gonna have the usual question.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Chop salad, extra corn, extra tomatoes, and a steak? Or
are you going to get chicken with hot mare and
Aarra sauce?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yu, he orders two things.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, well you have your go to meal, right, ARTI Choke?
I think Craig will come by and visit art of.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Choke Pigs in a blanket.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes, And then maybe it's you love when Craig comes by.
He's sweet and he loves you and he's so nice
and uh, you know, it makes you feel like you're
like something.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Honey, we all know you like being famous.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's okay, I think he's just great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah right, he's great in the place in Patty there.
So I love that Craigs is the best. You haven't
been to Craigs and you want to see some really interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's like our version of the Polo bar in Manhattan,
right that that is exactly what I would equate it to.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
By the way, you know, interestingly, the Polar Bar has
been everywhere recently, a lot of celebrities and and a
lot of people talking about how you cannot get into
the Polar Bar. Yeah, that is the toughest I think,
maybe the toughest restaurant get in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I'm just happy that the last several times that
we've been to Craigs, the pup Rozzi has taken pictures.
Now it's either because they've taken pictures.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Of it, they didn't turn up anywhere. Let me ask you,
is this like if a tree falls in the woods.
Let me ask you a question. What's more important for
you the excitedness and edulation of having the flash bulbs
go up as you are walking into the restaurant or
is it having the photo out there? Because I got
to tell you something, nine out of ten times, even
(11:08):
if they take the photo, No, no, it's not that
it's not a good picture. It doesn't go anywhere. No
one cares, no one buys it, and no one posts it.
No one cares. So do you just like the attention?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I like the flash bulbs going off as we're entering
into the road.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So that people in the restaurant know someone important.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So the rest you to Craigs. The door of Craigs
is a solid door, but above it is this window
pane transo window, transom window. That's what it's called. Yes,
And so when there's somebody of significance out in front
of Craigs walking, it goes flashbulb crazy and everybody kind
(11:47):
of looks at the door, Oh, who's that. So when
you have a lot of flashball that you walk in,
people looking they go, oh, it's you.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So you love it because it's the modern day equivalent
to announcement.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Entering or dub like that doctor and missus Sandwich has
come in.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes, you know the era and dud Jesseph Dubrow coming in.
You're so obvious. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's like an announcement. I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, well, someone asked me and Terry to be
on another show today and I can't say what it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Is, but I don't know. I say it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Stay tuned for that. One last episode. We talked about anxiety.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We did, yeah, and how we've dealt with it, how
I've dealt with it for years and all that kind
of thing. But I got a lot of questions about
it because I just think, I mean, look, especially.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
With what's going on in the world right now, everyone
has anxiety. Everyone has anxiety.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, I'm I'm not. My scrolling is tripled.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's talk about anxiety. How would you say?
I mean, for me, anxiety has.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Ruled a lot of my life.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think I started to tell this story last week
that when I was growing up, I always at stomach aches.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I didn't want to go to school. That was all anxiety.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I had terrible anxiety in my twenties. Yeah, mess
anxiety like all so so bad. So I think I'm
much better now than I used to be.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, your but you have social anxiety.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, I'm very shy and I'm sweet sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He always tells that the family he's sweet. If he
everyone should describe it as sweet easy?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Is he going in?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I have social anxiety because I'm not very good
with chit chat small talk.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah you don't really like people, then.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, I mean I like, I love people. When I
meet them in my office, I'm fascinated by them, wanting
I want to know everything about.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But outside of your note.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, when I go to a party, for example, I
have to make the small chit chat. I'm incredibly uncomfortable.
And for example, there's there's a guy that lives in
this building. He's a very well known sort of well
known guy in Hollywood, and we're friendly with him. Every
time I see him, always say something stupid to him,
and I regret it, I walk out go And so
(14:23):
I saw him the other day in the elevator, and
I went, do not say something stupid. So I basically
just said, how are you? What's new? And I complimented
him good And then he said what's new with me?
And then I said something like, well, I'm just trying
to take my fitness to the next level. And so
he said something and then I said something stupid. Yeah,
(14:45):
it could be.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's like oversharing. Sometimes when I'm nervous, I overshare.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm really bad at the chit chat. You know, I'm
really good at talking about you know. Do you do peptids? Oh?
What peptides?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You do?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know? Something with you know, substantial informative content.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Do you think anxiety has limited you at all?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh? I don't think it's Uh No, I don't think
I have that kind of anxiety. I don't think I
like you are just you know, you're younger than you particularly,
but your generation and the generations before you were after you,
that anxiety is like you know, baseline, it's just an epidemic.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yes, yeah, Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I don't know. I mean, it'd be easy to try
to tie it to some socio political thing, but I
really don't know. Because you know, you had I can
understand the anxiety you had because you came out to
Hollywood and there was always the big question mark. You know,
am I a fraud? Am I an imposter? Am I
ever going to work? Even though you were obviously so talented?
(15:53):
Immediately you got here, he got jobs and are you
know doing?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But I didn't have anxiety about it. I had, like
to me, you know, anxiety for me is a it's
part of my genetic makeup. It's biological.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean, sometimes my anxiety can be situational, right, but
it's biology.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, that's the problem that the problem is. I don't
think situational anxiety is necessarily a problem.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, Because I think it's a problem if you don't
have situational anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I mean there always has to be.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
If you are a person who has never experienced one
second of anxiety from anything in your whole life, I
almost think you might be a sociopath because something.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, I think the chance you'll be successful.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is low if you don't have any Also, but you know,
something gives everyone anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It does have to be terrible anxiety.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you know, going into a job, interview, speaking in
public for the first time, you know, usually auditioning for
a play.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's all normal. What about just this free floating anxiety
that people have as a baseline.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's terrible and that is a biological thing. I had that.
That's why it starts off with little kids. The stomach aches. Yeah,
physical ailments can be about anxiety or dolgorm.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Maxis like that too, but she knows it so because
we've talked about it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
For me growing up, it wasn't discussed.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It wasn't figured out, and so you know, you always
find something else to attribute to it. So it's like
you're chasing shadows, right, you know, like, oh, your stomach
hurts because why because you're not eating breakfast, or because
you're eating too much break you know, whatever, it is
and it's like, no, it's just anxiety.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So the why of it, I don't think we'll ever
figure out. But the question is what do you do
about it?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
What do you do about it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You know? I think the the obvious things are getting
more sly beat, right. I think exercise one of the
best remedies.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Run of the best remedies. You were a thousand percent correct.
And I always say to our kids, I wish I
had had the gift of fitness as a younger, yeah,
because that really would.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Have helped me.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I know even now, if I if it's a base,
like a nothing anxiety, like I have an audition and
like nerves excited, I will go on the elliptical machine
for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And just like well it's like you know, kids or dogs.
I get the zoomies out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, you go on.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
The treadmill or whatever, and you just get a little
energy out and you feel a lot better.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah. I think anxiety is best treated with exercise. And
then of course there are men cages.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
But the family I grew up in, it wasn't okay
to talk about meds or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, because they didn't want to admit to that WEEKENDSS
or something. But I think meds can be very helpful,
but they have to have side effects. Short term meds
are good for as I think, if you have I
remember this, I'm such a doctor. There was this thing
that I was about to go through that is anxiety provoking.
(18:54):
No matter who you are, even if you're a sociopath,
you're gonna get a little anxious about this. But I
knew it was going to be about six weeks of
severe anxiety. So in anticipation of that, I started myself
on lexapro and I just started taking it and it
(19:16):
worked for me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Really yeah, I saw but do I remember this?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes? Yes, and everybody and I remember my buddies got
foreman and saying what's with your personality? That the dampened
it just me. It made me very you know, I
felt no anxiety but I and that was nice. But
I didn't have my usual bubble loubliness and craziness and silliness.
(19:42):
It got rid of all of that. And really, yeah,
you remember this, and you said you need to get
off this. Yes, you're not arry anymore. I liked how
it felt, though, It's like nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Bothered me, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah? Have you ever tried that to the president?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Never, no, never. We talked about you on anti anxiety
medicaid when there was a time you were.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Before the kids, before we had kids. Yes, yeah, because
I couldn't get pregnant. Yes, yes, but we didn't do it.
And then when I first started having perimenopausal symptoms, my
then g yn wanted to put me on antidepressants because
that's what they were taught would help, right, And I
(20:27):
asked another friend of mine who was a g in surgeon,
and she was.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like, absolutely not. Don't go. That is not going to
help your.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Symptoms, and it's gonna you kill your libido and your
personality and you're gonna gain like all these things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You've never been on an anti anxiety.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Medication, an antidepressant, you said, anxiety. I've never been on
anti I've never been on SSRI.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, but I've been on psychotropic medication.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What is vali in one of those?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, I wouldn't really call that.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's a benzer, but I will say to.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That I'm talking about, you know, alexapro.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
No, because I have to say I have had such
terrible bouts of anxiety. In my life, terrible debilidating anxiety.
I am not a depressive person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Which no, I know, but.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So I never went on a antidepressive. But there was
a period of time in my twenties, and you know
this that when I got PMS, I was so anxious.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It was like I couldn't even breathe.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I would have episodes and so I would and you know,
I'm really sensitive to medications. So I would take like
a five milligram valume and break it into quarters and
take a quarter of one and I mean, I don't know,
maybe it was a placebo. I have no idea, but
it fixed me.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean for me. There was another period of
severe sort of situational anxiety, like during the global financial
crisis of two thousand and seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, And I found some things I found very useful.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh, Buddhism, Yeah, and stoicism. You like reading.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Quotes Buddhism really stoicism now, but Buddhism really resonated with
me and erased and deleted a lot of my anxiety.
Just the whole concept of what are you doing. You're
not getting out if you're alive, you're dust. In the wind,
and knowing that you're dust in the wind, don't you
(22:32):
wish you would have said, Oh my gosh, right, no
one's getting out of here alive. So it doesn't make
any difference anyway, So I'm just going to relax and
go with it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Do you think that we have helped each other through
anxiety and anxious periods of time?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh? You? I remember the most useful thing you said
to me during global financial price don't pussy. You said,
get your shit together, don't be a pussy. And I
went and you appealed to the sort of testosterone laden
maleness in me, like get up, stand up and be
a man and move forward and do your thing. And
(23:12):
I went, oh, right, right, yes, of course, do my thing.
It was like you know that scene in a movie
where a woman shakes the man go go do it,
and he goes and he just goes out there and
he kills the enemy. It was like that, and that
helped me.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I know it did.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But you know it's funny because you know I I well,
I know after so many years together. But there's it's
just like with the kids, there's certain times someone needs
a hug and to be just taken care of, and
there's certain times they need the man up speech.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, I are the woman up.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't want to be like misogynistic about this whole thing,
but I'm just saying you need the get up and
get it done speech. And I know with you that's.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What I need. I never need a hug, Oh, yes,
you do. I do. Do I need a hug?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You've needed hugs, honey.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Well maybe when Shunky died.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
There's been other times, and trust me, you have needed
hog times.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Okay, it's interesting with the kids because as they get older,
it's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know, Nikki had to have a little nothing procedure, not.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
A big right. So I mean, if you think about
we have both extremely stressful careers. You're on the Housewives, Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I have felt massive anxiety
when you like before you go to the reunion and
in seasons you have any I have anxiety for you
in all day long. It's going, oh my gosh, one hours,
(24:43):
two hours.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I know you wait to hear you have been texts.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Are you alive? You're good? And you know I obviously
I get I get very little intra operative. Well, how
do you deal with housewife anxiety. Okay, Well, others of
those on your cast sometimes take value at event apparently, Yeah,
(25:06):
and they come sedated.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Which is crazy. Not, by the way, not usually No,
that's not everyone and that's.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Not usually right, but there have been a few isolated incidents,
right that that has happened. Yes, And I think that's
a little bullshitty to be honest.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Show up man.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
For me, you know, I'll get anxiety before a big
audition or something like that. But I relish that kind
of anxiety, right because it like spurs me on, right,
and I need that energy and that kind of nervous
energy and my personality and all those things on Housewives.
(25:46):
You know, it's just, man, the anxiety and Housewives is
a whole different animal.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean, you're you're going to an all cast event.
What's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Someone looked at you sideways as they're walking by you
at a party.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Why are they looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The but the reunions the worst.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Meaning I actually like the reunion because I'm good at
talking and I feel comfortable sitting there and just owning
whatever it is and arguing out what needs to be
argued out or whatever it is. But I will spend
days before the reunion talking and arguing in my sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes, yes, yes, all night long.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
There's a it's worse than that, it's that oh like that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, but we've mentioned this in a previous episode. But
I think the single best thing or situational anxiety or
even free floating anxiety is pro panel.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
All love prop. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I've never taken propanal al before a reunion.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But yeah, I I have taken it before I've testified
in court. Like I'm on the stand in a difficult
case and I walk in and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that's exactly what you need it for, because you
need to be focused and clear.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And not distracted by yeah, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But I'm still like game on. It's a performance.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I need my nerves and my personality to do it properly,
so I wouldn't want to be dampened at all.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, for me, I don't have anxiety during surgery unless
all of a sudden, I'm dissecting in an area where
you know i'll see suddenly I'm supposed to be above
the abdominal wall, because the abdominal wall is so compromised.
There's a piece of intestine that's actually right there.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And it's like danger.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I look at I go what is that? And I
keep going whoa, whoa, whoa, And it's a piece of intestine.
Had I gone two millimeters further, I would contaminate the
whole field and turn the operation into now like almost
a surgical emergency. Or every surgeon will tell you two
or three or four or more times if you did
my level surgical training where I did general surgery for
(28:13):
seven years, you know maybe thirty forty times in my
life where patient's literally dying in front of me and
you have to make the right decision.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And that would give one anxiety.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And there's two levels of the anxiety. One you have
to make the right decision to try to save the person,
and two you know that this decision will be comprehensively
reviewed and dissected at what they call morbidity Immortality conference
next week, where you're standing in front of the professors
(28:46):
and they have residence and then you go, okay, we
add thirty operations last week, seventeen traumas, three deaths, two
cop two infections, and all they want to hear about
is the deaths and they want to determine and you
want to hopefully if you had a death in general surgery.
(29:07):
The way you tell the story and the way it
came out is that it was just you did everything right,
but unfortunately they succumbed to their injury. But there's still
you're still going to present that and you know it's
going to be a thing. So I when you have
that kind of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Like anything else is nothing.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, it's a different kind of anxiety because you you
can freeze, or make the wrong decision or be a
blithering idiot. And I've gotten pretty good at Like I
think if I were on the road and there was
a I mean I've been on the road a few
(29:48):
times and somebody seizing in a car that was moving.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
In a car with you.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No that I'm I'm walking on a road and a
person's having a seizure or driving their car. Yes, I've
had this happen and there they're puts not on the pedal,
but their car is moving.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You? You know how you're right and you reach in
and you put it in park or whatever?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Done that?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I did that?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Once you did that?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't you remember I've also had a person in
a car that wasn't moving, that was seizing. Had that
one or two times that I've.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Had to see people from choking.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We know that people from choking, but by the way,
that's more anxiety producing. I guess what scared me so
much in those in the back of my mind and
those Heimlich moments is that I'm trained to go to
the next level. I really want to go to the
next level, which is you know, the surgical airway. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So well, I think You've helped me a lot with
my anxiety over the years, whether it was talking to
me about you could look back if you had a
crystal ball and dah da dadah, or even like helping
me be okay taking an anti anxiety medicine like the chip,
(31:11):
a valium or the panel all or whatever it was,
because to me, it was to fail to do that. Yeah, no,
because I didn't, because that's how I grew up. So
that was very helpful to me. We talked about this
last week. I think about the Marines and the whole
This is what I know. But I think the take
home for the message for the anxiety is you have
to find the thing that works for you, because it's
(31:33):
not a one size fits all things. Even amongst our kids,
a couple of them will get anxiety and it manifests
itself differently.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The way you talk to them, it's different.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You've got to find what works for you and what
your thing is, whether it's exercise, talking to yourself, talking
to a therapist, taking meds, whatever it is. But I mean, obviously,
you know, life is short. If I could go back
in time, one of the only things that would redo
is finding a better way to deal with anxiety at at.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
A at a younger age.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
There it is
I'm heather Dy Brow.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm doctor Terry Brow, and we're going to keep this
between us, but not really.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I cut my hair.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It looks so good. That is what I used to
call heady hair from sitcom era. What's funny is I
met you have this hair.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I know you know how your phone and I know
it listens to us whatever. But it was pulling up
pictures of that's life.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, and it was. That was twenty five years ago
and it's almost the same hair I was going to do.
I was going to post a side by side picture.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah. By the way, the guy who did the Rachel
Right from Friends, didn't he do this original haird on you?
No he didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, Kelly cliinbed it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh, I thought, did he ever? Do?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Want to know Kelly didn't cut this?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
But yeah, I tested for There was a spinoff of
Friends with Matt LeBlanc Right called Joey Right, and I
tested to play his sister.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Right and got really close to getting it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It was between me and Geda Gershan and Debbie Mazar
and which was weird because we're all friends.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That is so difficult And.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Then they were like thinking about it and circling and
then they ended up just giving it to Dre D
Matteo in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The Sopranos thing.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, because of whatever, she's talented, because she's great. You know.
It was a completely different way to go. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, But while I was there, the part that the
part character was a hairdresser, and so it was so funny.
So Chris McMillian, who's very famous hairdresser, did the chel
He did the Rachel among other things. And I was
in the dressing room and he came in to do
my hair.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And he came in to do my hair and he's
playing around with my hair and he goes, you want
me to cut it?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I was like no, I mean I didn't know
who he was.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It was like, I was just about to screen test
for this major show.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Do I want someone to cut my hair? I don't.
I was like no, and he goes, okay, and he goes.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I mean you And I knew he was someone from
the chrispick mellon team, right, and he said something and
he goes, well, you know i'm here, you might as
well take advantage of it. And I said, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You are a Chris mc millan and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He said, yes, oh cut away, Oh you did get Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Cute, that wasn't this hair? Oh? By the way, this
is my favorite hair on you. You know, I love
this hair. You know why some people they need the
hair to augment the face or to cover the face,
or to cover the face, or to minimize the face. Yeah,
well augment you can. Yeah, you you just need the
hair to go with the face.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh my god, how much? How sweet? Is my husband?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Too good?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Right now? What does he want?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I remember on an episode of Housewives, everyone asked what's
your favorite body part of your significantly significant other?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Someone said vagina?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, And they asked Brooks, right, and they asked me
about you and I said face, yeah, yeah, because that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You really like me right now?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think you have a nice weekend. I think, uh,
you know, you look so good. And the hair is saga.
You love me. And the hair was perfect. That's fun. No,
And the hair's perfect. His hair was perfect? Werewolf of London? Well,
there's so many things in the news right now, obviously,
some very bad things and some very weird interesting things
(03:17):
like Carrie, Jim I keep you know's calling me? What
do you think about Jim Carrey. What do you think
about Jim Carrey? And do you think about Jim care Well,
first of all, I had heard it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Him, that it was Alexis Stone, that it was.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This a major impersonator and TMZ very talented. I said,
I think it's not him. I hear and DMZ called
me and said, oh no, no, no, we already know
it's him. He was there with this whole family and
eight other guests.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In his publicist I think, came out also and said
it's him.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So, I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think it's why I'll tell you what I think.
I don't care, that's what I think. You know what
I think Jim Carrey is an incredibly talented guy who
went to an awards thing with his family, right, and
why is the only take home about his looks? I
you know, I cannot stand the plastic surgery talk. I
(04:13):
think it's gross. I think asking people what they've had
is gross. I think talking about people's looks is gross? Like,
why why do we have.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To do that?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I mean, and he's
probably now you know, Bradley Cooper's best friend. I mean
because now no one's talking about Brad Cooper anymore. But
it's the new it's the new Brad Cooper moment. I mean,
did someone else Let's just let's just I mean, if
we can just ignore it and say, but let's just
be honest. I mean, everyone wants to know what happened?
(04:44):
Did he have plastic surgery? And you know, obviously our
answer is no, one's business. It's rude, it's uncivilized, and
it is it's rude, it's uncivilized. But he does look
very different, so you know, and and everybody's gonna conject
pure and discuss and talk about it. I've already seen
all the idiot plastic surgeons online saying, yeah, I'm roll
(05:07):
up his umbrellain is on fat tram mid face. You
know they're all doing that, right, I don't know. I mean,
obviously he does look different. My theory maybe is that
have you ever seen anyone in your entire life has
been able to contort their face as well as Jim Carrey?
(05:28):
And so you know, I went on a GLP one
drug a while ago, and I lost weight very very quickly,
and your face changed, and my body skin changed and
my face changed a little bit. My body skin. Yeah,
and so maybe that's part of whether he's done anything
(05:48):
or not. I mean, clearly, when you can do that
kind of insanity with your face, maybe it's just still
part and parcel of that process. I know that's not
really an answer.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So you're saying, maybe he con towarts his face so
much that it's sagged or aged weird. I mean, you
know there are people that just age differently than others.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it's true, it's true. But you know, without putting
to you find a point on it. Why are women
having things done and looking so amazing and men and
men are looking weird?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Why is that all right? Not knowing who's going to
who and where everyone? And why?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I promise you the same surgeons are doing both. Well,
that's women and the men. The same three guys are
doing all these people. This is why I don't do celebrities,
because I don't want to be judged and I just
don't want to be part of that whole scene. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But you've said for years that you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Have to do men completely, you.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Have to do men differently. But it's also you know,
also it's not one size fit all.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, you have to look at people differently.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
If a woman has a very hooded upper eyelid and
that is her look, and you do an upper bluff
and you completely take away all the eyelid.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Skin, she will look different.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, so you should leave a little And I guess
it's the same thing for men. Men like, I'm looking
at your upper eyelids line right, you have upper eyelid skin.
But if you had your eyes done, you would specifically
tell them leave upper eyelid skin.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Don't take it all out, or I'm gonna look weird.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think that take home messages. If you're a guy
and you're gonna have facial work done, say to the surgeon,
let's make this stage one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh, get so they have a lighter hand.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Get me fifty percent of the way.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There, go to second base, not a home run.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Leave me with excess upper elid skin. Don't add volume
to my cheeks. Don't pull the neck completely tight.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's too feminizing. This is the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If you have a surgeon that's gonna do the same
exactly work on a man and a woman, the man
is going to look weird. Women look different. Women They
have faces are tighter, their eyes have less skin, they
have more volume in the cheek.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Than a guy. You can't do the same thing on
a dude.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, it's fine. I've never been afraid to do men
because I always have always had such a light hand
anyway that i'd much rather a guy say to me.
And by the way, I always tell the ill this. Listen,
I'm not going to feminize your eyes. So I'm going
to leave you with significant amount of a brylet hooting
like you did when you were nineteen. Okay, right, I go,
So let's do this. Let's do this. If I leave
(08:38):
you with too much of brailid skin, I will take
more for free later. But you can't put it better, no, ken,
So less is more when it comes to a guy's pluss.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
What else is going on? You've been so sweet to
me the last few days. Mean, well, look at my wrist.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
What is that? Is that a skin test that you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yes, I'm allergic to all hair dye except the one
that I use, and it's just the worst hair dye
and it really doesn't last.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's not the stuff in your hair. Now.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No, I don't know if you could see this, but
I have like a huge red raw patch on my
wrist from a patch test for a new hair color
that clearly I'm allergic to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh so you didn't use it?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Now, Okay, this was the patch test to see if
I could tolerate very sensitive, very yes.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Very sensitivo.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What are you gonna eat at Craigs tonight?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I think I'm gonna have the usual question.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Chop salad, extra corn, extra tomatoes, and a steak? Or
are you going to get chicken with hot mare and
Aarra sauce?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yu, he orders two things.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, well you have your go to meal, right, ARTI Choke?
I think Craig will come by and visit art of.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Choke Pigs in a blanket.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yes, And then maybe it's you love when Craig comes by.
He's sweet and he loves you and he's so nice
and uh, you know, it makes you feel like you're
like something.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Honey, we all know you like being famous.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's okay, I think he's just great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah right, he's great in the place in Patty there.
So I love that Craigs is the best. You haven't
been to Craigs and you want to see some really interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's like our version of the Polo bar in Manhattan,
right that that is exactly what I would equate it to.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
By the way, you know, interestingly, the Polar Bar has
been everywhere recently, a lot of celebrities and and a
lot of people talking about how you cannot get into
the Polar Bar. Yeah, that is the toughest I think,
maybe the toughest restaurant get in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I'm just happy that the last several times that
we've been to Craigs, the pup Rozzi has taken pictures.
Now it's either because they've taken pictures.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Of it, they didn't turn up anywhere. Let me ask you,
is this like if a tree falls in the woods.
Let me ask you a question. What's more important for
you the excitedness and edulation of having the flash bulbs
go up as you are walking into the restaurant or
is it having the photo out there? Because I got
to tell you something, nine out of ten times, even
(11:08):
if they take the photo, No, no, it's not that
it's not a good picture. It doesn't go anywhere. No
one cares, no one buys it, and no one posts it.
No one cares. So do you just like the attention?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I like the flash bulbs going off as we're entering
into the road.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So that people in the restaurant know someone important.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So the rest you to Craigs. The door of Craigs
is a solid door, but above it is this window
pane transo window, transom window. That's what it's called. Yes,
And so when there's somebody of significance out in front
of Craigs walking, it goes flashbulb crazy and everybody kind
(11:47):
of looks at the door, Oh, who's that. So when
you have a lot of flashball that you walk in,
people looking they go, oh, it's you.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So you love it because it's the modern day equivalent
to announcement.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Entering or dub like that doctor and missus Sandwich has
come in.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes, you know the era and dud Jesseph Dubrow coming in.
You're so obvious. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's like an announcement. I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I mean, well, someone asked me and Terry to be
on another show today and I can't say what it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Is, but I don't know. I say it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Stay tuned for that. One last episode. We talked about anxiety.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
We did, yeah, and how we've dealt with it, how
I've dealt with it for years and all that kind
of thing. But I got a lot of questions about
it because I just think, I mean, look, especially.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
With what's going on in the world right now, everyone
has anxiety. Everyone has anxiety.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, I'm I'm not. My scrolling is tripled.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's talk about anxiety. How would you say?
I mean, for me, anxiety has.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Ruled a lot of my life.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think I started to tell this story last week
that when I was growing up, I always at stomach aches.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I didn't want to go to school. That was all anxiety.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I had terrible anxiety in my twenties. Yeah, mess
anxiety like all so so bad. So I think I'm
much better now than I used to be.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, your but you have social anxiety.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, I'm very shy and I'm sweet sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He always tells that the family he's sweet. If he
everyone should describe it as sweet easy?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Is he going in?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I have social anxiety because I'm not very good
with chit chat small talk.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah you don't really like people, then.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, I mean I like, I love people. When I
meet them in my office, I'm fascinated by them, wanting
I want to know everything about.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But outside of your note.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, when I go to a party, for example, I
have to make the small chit chat. I'm incredibly uncomfortable.
And for example, there's there's a guy that lives in
this building. He's a very well known sort of well
known guy in Hollywood, and we're friendly with him. Every
time I see him, always say something stupid to him,
and I regret it, I walk out go And so
(14:23):
I saw him the other day in the elevator, and
I went, do not say something stupid. So I basically
just said, how are you? What's new? And I complimented
him good And then he said what's new with me?
And then I said something like, well, I'm just trying
to take my fitness to the next level. And so
he said something and then I said something stupid. Yeah,
(14:45):
it could be.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's like oversharing. Sometimes when I'm nervous, I overshare.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm really bad at the chit chat. You know, I'm
really good at talking about you know. Do you do peptids? Oh?
What peptides?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You do?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know? Something with you know, substantial informative content.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Do you think anxiety has limited you at all?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh? I don't think it's Uh No, I don't think
I have that kind of anxiety. I don't think I
like you are just you know, you're younger than you particularly,
but your generation and the generations before you were after you,
that anxiety is like you know, baseline, it's just an epidemic.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yes, yeah, Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I don't know. I mean, it'd be easy to try
to tie it to some socio political thing, but I
really don't know. Because you know, you had I can
understand the anxiety you had because you came out to
Hollywood and there was always the big question mark. You know,
am I a fraud? Am I an imposter? Am I
ever going to work? Even though you were obviously so talented?
(15:53):
Immediately you got here, he got jobs and are you
know doing?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But I didn't have anxiety about it. I had, like
to me, you know, anxiety for me is a it's
part of my genetic makeup. It's biological.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean, sometimes my anxiety can be situational, right, but
it's biology.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, that's the problem that the problem is. I don't
think situational anxiety is necessarily a problem.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, Because I think it's a problem if you don't
have situational anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I mean there always has to be.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
If you are a person who has never experienced one
second of anxiety from anything in your whole life, I
almost think you might be a sociopath because something.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, I think the chance you'll be successful.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is low if you don't have any Also, but you know,
something gives everyone anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It does have to be terrible anxiety.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you know, going into a job, interview, speaking in
public for the first time, you know, usually auditioning for
a play.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's all normal. What about just this free floating anxiety
that people have as a baseline.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's terrible and that is a biological thing. I had that.
That's why it starts off with little kids. The stomach aches. Yeah,
physical ailments can be about anxiety or dolgorm.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Maxis like that too, but she knows it so because
we've talked about it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
For me growing up, it wasn't discussed.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It wasn't figured out, and so you know, you always
find something else to attribute to it. So it's like
you're chasing shadows, right, you know, like, oh, your stomach
hurts because why because you're not eating breakfast, or because
you're eating too much break you know, whatever, it is
and it's like, no, it's just anxiety.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So the why of it, I don't think we'll ever
figure out. But the question is what do you do
about it?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
What do you do about it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You know? I think the the obvious things are getting
more sly beat, right. I think exercise one of the
best remedies.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Run of the best remedies. You were a thousand percent correct.
And I always say to our kids, I wish I
had had the gift of fitness as a younger, yeah,
because that really would.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Have helped me.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I know even now, if I if it's a base,
like a nothing anxiety, like I have an audition and
like nerves excited, I will go on the elliptical machine
for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And just like well it's like you know, kids or dogs.
I get the zoomies out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, you go on.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
The treadmill or whatever, and you just get a little
energy out and you feel a lot better.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah. I think anxiety is best treated with exercise. And
then of course there are men cages.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
But the family I grew up in, it wasn't okay
to talk about meds or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, because they didn't want to admit to that WEEKENDSS
or something. But I think meds can be very helpful,
but they have to have side effects. Short term meds
are good for as I think, if you have I
remember this, I'm such a doctor. There was this thing
that I was about to go through that is anxiety provoking.
(18:54):
No matter who you are, even if you're a sociopath,
you're gonna get a little anxious about this. But I
knew it was going to be about six weeks of
severe anxiety. So in anticipation of that, I started myself
on lexapro and I just started taking it and it
(19:16):
worked for me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Really yeah, I saw but do I remember this?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes? Yes, and everybody and I remember my buddies got
foreman and saying what's with your personality? That the dampened
it just me. It made me very you know, I
felt no anxiety but I and that was nice. But
I didn't have my usual bubble loubliness and craziness and silliness.
(19:42):
It got rid of all of that. And really, yeah,
you remember this, and you said you need to get
off this. Yes, you're not arry anymore. I liked how
it felt, though, It's like nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Bothered me, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah? Have you ever tried that to the president?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Never, no, never. We talked about you on anti anxiety
medicaid when there was a time you were.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Before the kids, before we had kids. Yes, yeah, because
I couldn't get pregnant. Yes, yes, but we didn't do it.
And then when I first started having perimenopausal symptoms, my
then g yn wanted to put me on antidepressants because
that's what they were taught would help, right, And I
(20:27):
asked another friend of mine who was a g in surgeon,
and she was.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like, absolutely not. Don't go. That is not going to
help your.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Symptoms, and it's gonna you kill your libido and your
personality and you're gonna gain like all these things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You've never been on an anti anxiety.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Medication, an antidepressant, you said, anxiety. I've never been on
anti I've never been on SSRI.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, but I've been on psychotropic medication.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What is vali in one of those?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, I wouldn't really call that.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's a benzer, but I will say to.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That I'm talking about, you know, alexapro.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
No, because I have to say I have had such
terrible bouts of anxiety. In my life, terrible debilidating anxiety.
I am not a depressive person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Which no, I know, but.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So I never went on a antidepressive. But there was
a period of time in my twenties, and you know
this that when I got PMS, I was so anxious.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It was like I couldn't even breathe.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I would have episodes and so I would and you know,
I'm really sensitive to medications. So I would take like
a five milligram valume and break it into quarters and
take a quarter of one and I mean, I don't know,
maybe it was a placebo. I have no idea, but
it fixed me.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean for me. There was another period of
severe sort of situational anxiety, like during the global financial
crisis of two thousand and seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, And I found some things I found very useful.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh, Buddhism, Yeah, and stoicism. You like reading.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Quotes Buddhism really stoicism now, but Buddhism really resonated with
me and erased and deleted a lot of my anxiety.
Just the whole concept of what are you doing. You're
not getting out if you're alive, you're dust. In the wind,
and knowing that you're dust in the wind, don't you
(22:32):
wish you would have said, Oh my gosh, right, no
one's getting out of here alive. So it doesn't make
any difference anyway, So I'm just going to relax and
go with it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Do you think that we have helped each other through
anxiety and anxious periods of time?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh? You? I remember the most useful thing you said
to me during global financial price don't pussy. You said,
get your shit together, don't be a pussy. And I
went and you appealed to the sort of testosterone laden
maleness in me, like get up, stand up and be
a man and move forward and do your thing. And
(23:12):
I went, oh, right, right, yes, of course, do my thing.
It was like you know that scene in a movie
where a woman shakes the man go go do it,
and he goes and he just goes out there and
he kills the enemy. It was like that, and that
helped me.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I know it did.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But you know it's funny because you know I I well,
I know after so many years together. But there's it's
just like with the kids, there's certain times someone needs
a hug and to be just taken care of, and
there's certain times they need the man up speech.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, I are the woman up.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't want to be like misogynistic about this whole thing,
but I'm just saying you need the get up and
get it done speech. And I know with you that's.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What I need. I never need a hug, Oh, yes,
you do. I do. Do I need a hug?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You've needed hugs, honey.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Well maybe when Shunky died.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
There's been other times, and trust me, you have needed
hog times.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Okay, it's interesting with the kids because as they get older,
it's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know, Nikki had to have a little nothing procedure, not.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
A big right. So I mean, if you think about
we have both extremely stressful careers. You're on the Housewives, Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. I have felt massive anxiety
when you like before you go to the reunion and
in seasons you have any I have anxiety for you
in all day long. It's going, oh my gosh, one hours,
(24:43):
two hours.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I know you wait to hear you have been texts.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Are you alive? You're good? And you know I obviously
I get I get very little intra operative. Well, how
do you deal with housewife anxiety. Okay, Well, others of
those on your cast sometimes take value at event apparently, Yeah,
(25:06):
and they come sedated.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Which is crazy. Not, by the way, not usually No,
that's not everyone and that's.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Not usually right, but there have been a few isolated incidents,
right that that has happened. Yes, And I think that's
a little bullshitty to be honest.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Show up man.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
For me, you know, I'll get anxiety before a big
audition or something like that. But I relish that kind
of anxiety, right because it like spurs me on, right,
and I need that energy and that kind of nervous
energy and my personality and all those things on Housewives.
(25:46):
You know, it's just, man, the anxiety and Housewives is
a whole different animal.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean, you're you're going to an all cast event.
What's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Someone looked at you sideways as they're walking by you
at a party.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Why are they looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The but the reunions the worst.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Meaning I actually like the reunion because I'm good at
talking and I feel comfortable sitting there and just owning
whatever it is and arguing out what needs to be
argued out or whatever it is. But I will spend
days before the reunion talking and arguing in my sleep.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yes, yes, yes, all night long.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
There's a it's worse than that, it's that oh like that.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, but we've mentioned this in a previous episode. But
I think the single best thing or situational anxiety or
even free floating anxiety is pro panel.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
All love prop. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I've never taken propanal al before a reunion.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But yeah, I I have taken it before I've testified
in court. Like I'm on the stand in a difficult
case and I walk in and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that's exactly what you need it for, because you
need to be focused and clear.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And not distracted by yeah, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But I'm still like game on. It's a performance.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I need my nerves and my personality to do it properly,
so I wouldn't want to be dampened at all.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, for me, I don't have anxiety during surgery unless
all of a sudden, I'm dissecting in an area where
you know i'll see suddenly I'm supposed to be above
the abdominal wall, because the abdominal wall is so compromised.
There's a piece of intestine that's actually right there.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And it's like danger.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I look at I go what is that? And I
keep going whoa, whoa, whoa, And it's a piece of intestine.
Had I gone two millimeters further, I would contaminate the
whole field and turn the operation into now like almost
a surgical emergency. Or every surgeon will tell you two
or three or four or more times if you did
my level surgical training where I did general surgery for
(28:13):
seven years, you know maybe thirty forty times in my
life where patient's literally dying in front of me and
you have to make the right decision.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And that would give one anxiety.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And there's two levels of the anxiety. One you have
to make the right decision to try to save the person,
and two you know that this decision will be comprehensively
reviewed and dissected at what they call morbidity Immortality conference
next week, where you're standing in front of the professors
(28:46):
and they have residence and then you go, okay, we
add thirty operations last week, seventeen traumas, three deaths, two
cop two infections, and all they want to hear about
is the deaths and they want to determine and you
want to hopefully if you had a death in general surgery.
(29:07):
The way you tell the story and the way it
came out is that it was just you did everything right,
but unfortunately they succumbed to their injury. But there's still
you're still going to present that and you know it's
going to be a thing. So I when you have
that kind of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Like anything else is nothing.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, it's a different kind of anxiety because you you
can freeze, or make the wrong decision or be a
blithering idiot. And I've gotten pretty good at Like I
think if I were on the road and there was
a I mean I've been on the road a few
(29:48):
times and somebody seizing in a car that was moving.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
In a car with you.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No that I'm I'm walking on a road and a
person's having a seizure or driving their car. Yes, I've
had this happen and there they're puts not on the pedal,
but their car is moving.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You? You know how you're right and you reach in
and you put it in park or whatever?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Done that?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I did that?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Once you did that?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't you remember I've also had a person in
a car that wasn't moving, that was seizing. Had that
one or two times that I've.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Had to see people from choking.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We know that people from choking, but by the way,
that's more anxiety producing. I guess what scared me so
much in those in the back of my mind and
those Heimlich moments is that I'm trained to go to
the next level. I really want to go to the
next level, which is you know, the surgical airway. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So well, I think You've helped me a lot with
my anxiety over the years, whether it was talking to
me about you could look back if you had a
crystal ball and dah da dadah, or even like helping
me be okay taking an anti anxiety medicine like the chip,
(31:11):
a valium or the panel all or whatever it was,
because to me, it was to fail to do that. Yeah, no,
because I didn't, because that's how I grew up. So
that was very helpful to me. We talked about this
last week. I think about the Marines and the whole
This is what I know. But I think the take
home for the message for the anxiety is you have
to find the thing that works for you, because it's
(31:33):
not a one size fits all things. Even amongst our kids,
a couple of them will get anxiety and it manifests
itself differently.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The way you talk to them, it's different.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You've got to find what works for you and what
your thing is, whether it's exercise, talking to yourself, talking
to a therapist, taking meds, whatever it is. But I mean, obviously,
you know, life is short. If I could go back
in time, one of the only things that would redo
is finding a better way to deal with anxiety at at.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
A at a younger age.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
There it is
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