April 17, 2026 • 42 mins
Filmmaker James Fox joins Captain Ron as they discuss his new documentary 'Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters. They dive deep into the movie including the real-life things that inspired it. Listen as James shares behind-the-scenes insights from his investigations, the challenges of uncovering the truth, and what he believes this case reveals about global UFO encounters.
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with James Fox. James is an internationally recognized
documentary filmmaker specializing in UFOs, UAPs, and government disclosure. For
the last two decades, he has become one of the
most influential voices in the field, known for combining first
hand witness testimony with high level military and intelligence sources.
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Hey James, good to see you again.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Brother, Hey, thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know, I remember when I went with you to
your film debut in twenty twenty two of Moment of
Contact in downtown LA and with Jordan and Laurie and
everybody and Jimmy, and that was great. And now you
have a new version called Moment of Contact New Revelations
of Alien Encounters. This is an expanded version of that
original edit. And I have to tell you, man, the
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new one makes the case even more compelling. The money shot,
of course, is you were able to track down the
actual doctor was an accomplished Brazilian neurosurgeon. Doctor. I think
it's Italio Venturelli who flat out states on camera I
saw and interacted with this being.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Wow, man, no, it's it's incredible. And you you know,
he was highly conflicted. He's not an idiot. He works
on people's brains. He plays piano like Mozart. The guy
is an incredible human being. He's so interested in so
many different aspects, historical history, music, you know, and it just
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so happens he's a neurosurgeon. It had just happens. He's
the lead neurosurgeon, and he had kept this secret for
twenty nine years. And we found him because we had
a lead on a potential video that was taken. And
I'll remind your audience that these neurosurgeons at these hospitals
had video cameras in nineteen ninety six and they would
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document procedures and share those procedures with fellow colleagues and
people in the industry and hey, how did I do?
Did I Could I have done anything differently? They and
they swap notes and examined each other's works. So we
got word that there was a video taken by one
of by a neurosurgeon we didn't know who, and that
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that video was showed to or shared with a guy
named doctor Etelo, and he was a current neurosurgeon at
Regional Hospital. So we tracked him down a couple of
years ago, and to my amazement and to Marco Leal,
my partner's amazement, he confesses on a zoom call that yeah,
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that video does exist, and yeah, he was shown the
video by Marcos gave us the name Marcos Venizis who
unfortunately died of a heart attack. So we were going
after that video. Now, my partner, after the video call,
pressed him further on camera and said, hey, you know,
did you see the thing? Did did you hit any
other particular No, that's that's much I'm giving you. I
didn't see anything. I just I saw the video that exists,
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and that's the end of it. So about maybe less
than a year later, he had a heart attack. He
was apparently staring in the ceiling in the ICU, and
he said to himself, if I get through this, I'm
not taking this story to the grave. I'm gonna come clean.
I'm gonna find Fox's team and we're gonna and I'm
gonna I'm just gonna go full Monty on it, which
ultimately he did. It's the first and correct me if
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I'm wrong, Ron, It's the first eyewitness testimony. Just so happens.
It's a neurosurgeon of face to face contact with a captured, live,
non human intelligent being I've never heard. I mean, obviously,
you know you've got Roswell and you've got Glenn Dennis,
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and he had that connection to the nurse. But I
believe what she saw was dead that's third hand, right,
third party. Yeah, this is firsthand, and it's a neurosurgeon
and he's still the lead neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The whole story, how he had a heart attack, how
his partner had a heart attack and died and didn't
get to talk about this, that's very, very compelling to me.
It's just an incredible case. And some do compare it
to Roswell. I think it's really on that level. Do
you think it ranks up there?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I think it's better than Roswell. I mean because look,
we've got let's see, we've got the three girls that
came within eight to ten feet of a live, intelligent,
non human being. Okay, you've got military acts, so we
know we have his credentials. Who drove it? Evidently the
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one he drove was dead, but he saw it. You've
got the two forensic pathologists, one that examined the tissue
samples that were given to him by doctor Armando, who
is a forensic pathologist that did the autopsy on the
deceased military officer Marco Cheriz who allegedly grabbed this creature
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while it was alive, captured it with his bare hands
and inadvertently either got a scratch under his armpit or
he had that was an entry point of the bacteria
which killed him. And you've got now a forensic pathologist,
doctor Jannini, who established IPD Labs, saying that it's a
very rare bacteria that's very rarely found on Earth, but
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it had evolved in a way that he's never seen
anything like it on Earth at all.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And he says he sounded like a million of these literally.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, So you have that, you have you know, now
we have a neurosurgeon who had face to face contact,
you have the girls, and then we have the former
chief of police, Pedro Aguiara like he was like trying
to grab a bar soap in the bathtub by jokingly say,
because for five years we were chasing him down. Also
because we heard that he had a photograph. And as
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it turns out, we find out that he was involved
in the case, and he was involved in the earlier
capture because there were two known captures. Some people say
one of them was shot, two were captured live, one
got away.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But we also states that it was he wants he said,
this is history. That's why I'm talking to you. James
because it's history, not a story, it's history. I find
that a great quote.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And he said I participated, but he wouldn't go into
great detail about it. And he died a couple months
after going on camera for us, and just two months
ago we went back to Brazil, as I've done it.
I went to Brazil four times in the span of
twelve months with our production assistant and partner Alini. We
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met up with Marco and we brought all the doctors
together for the first time in history after thirty years.
That were the known doctors involved in the case. But
I also we had a couple of day extra days
at the end of that operation, and we went out
I'm trying to remember the name of the town, but
it was a few I don't know, maybe a half
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day's driver maybe a half day's drive away from Virginia
and went to where the former chief of police was
I think it was today's Carsonis and we met up
with his two sons, his daughter, and his lawyer, and
we got the account and his now widow and who
got them all on camera, and they said that he
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had shared with them that he had seen the bean,
that it was real. It happened. They said that he
was one of the most brave men. He was the
chief of police. He packed a gun, he dealt with
drug lords, he dealt with gangsters. He wasn't afraid of anyone,
but he was terrified of the men in suits. And
he was very mindful of how much information he gave
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his kids. Other than confirming he saw the being it happened.
He told his wife that, He told his two sons
that we have it all on camera, told his daughter that,
and then he told the full story to his lawyer.
We met with his lawyer just a month and a
half two months ago, and he as well went on
cameras liked, well, he's dead now, so I'll tell you
the story. And so he told us the story. If
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you want, I'll reveal it right here because it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Why don't we do that at the end of the
break here we'll hear that guy's story. That's fascinating. Listen,
will you take a quick break here, James, we come back.
We're going to ask you about the first person witnesses
that you were able to locate and get testimony from.
And I want to hear this amazing story about the
attorney's account of the sheriff's story. You're listening to be
on Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
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Paranormal Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact talking to
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James Fox here. James, this sounds amazing that you've got
the direct testimony from the attorney. Please share with us
what he said. The sheriff said.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
So, when you watch Moment of Contact New Revelations, you'll
see that we interviewed the former chief of Police, Pedro Aguiara.
And I know I've said this before, but it was
literally like trying to grab a bars over the bathtub.
We get him and then he would like give us
his address and then he would disappear. Then he wouldn't respond,
and then it was like, Okay, we're gonna meet. And
this went on for about five years. Finally we doorstepped
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him and we got the interview and he tells us
he was involved. He tells us he saw the bean,
but he was somewhat nebulous about it. It was like
either in a net or that it had just been captured.
But he just wouldn't go into too much more detail.
And we pushed him on the photographic evidence. We really
squeezed him hard, but he gave us as much as
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he gave us, and he said, this is not this
is not a story, this is history. This happened. I participated,
This is real, like I was there. But he dies
a couple of months later, and just a few months
ago I went back to for the fourth time to
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Bargenia and I had some other business with some of
the doctors, the town mayor. We had some events and screenings, YadA, YadA, YadA,
and then we had about forty eight hours of time
left and we went and we tracked down the former
chief of police family, his widow, his two sons, his
daughter coincidentally, his lawyer. We'd put them all on camera,
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every single one of them, and then we were like,
what did he tell you, like you know, and our
father said that, you know, it happened. Our father was,
you know, excuse the term. He was a badass, and
he wasn't afraid of anyone. He dealt with gangsters and
drug dealers, but he was terrified of the men in suits.
That was exactly how the daughter and the son, the
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older son pointed it out. The men in suits. You
could interpret that the way you do. But he said,
he confirmed that the inns had happened. He confirmed that
he saw the bean. He told that to his wife,
he told that to his two sons, he told that
to his daughter. But he didn't tell everything that happened
except for his lawyer. So his lawyer had filled in
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all the gaps for us. So what happened was it
was the morning of January twentieth. I don't know what time,
but it was the morning he was called in to
come to a location where something extraordinary was taking place.
I don't know if they said there was a live
alien on the loose, I really don't know. But he
was given the coordinates. He races down there in his car.
He gets to the spot, he leaps out of his
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car and he's running up to get to that point.
And he stopped at gunpoint by two young military Harry's soldiers,
and they're pointing their guns at him and he and
they're twenty years old, they were very young, and he
was probably in his mid forties. And he pulls his
gun out back at them and he says, you know,
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you can't be threatening me. I'm the chief of police.
You put your weapons down. We don't care who you are.
This is a national security issue. So there they were
sitting there, both with their guns drawn, having this standoff,
and he's yelling at them and they're yelling at him.
And while this is happening, he sees the creature being
captured by two firemen in a net. And then he's
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taken back to as a military base, where he said
he saw more brass and that was like high level
military officials. He talked about the helicopters coming and going.
He talked about the Americans coming, that things went to Campenas,
and then from Campenis the Americans came in. He said
most of this on camera, but that they standoff and
what he actually saw. Those details were given to his lawyer,
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and his lawyer revealed that to us. So then we
started thinking, you know, because I asked doctor Etelow, the neurosurgeon,
and I said, you said that what I do oftentimes
is I'll get a witness to go through not every second,
but every fraction of a second. So if the event
took place over a two to three four minute period,
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I will know. I'll break a second down into thirty frames, right,
I want to know everything that happened. I want a
complete reenactment and doctor and I could see he was
getting annoyed after about four hours, but I wanted to
know when he turned this way, what were you doing?
Where were you standing, Where was the other doctor standing,
Where were the curtains? Where was this when the entity?
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You say, the entity looked out the window two times?
What did the NDC? He's like it was blue sky
and some light clouds. And I thought to myself, well,
that's funny because the two military officers on January twentieth,
after the girls came in contact, the girls saw the
creature at about three fifteen to three to twelve in
the afternoon, and the capture was about two two and
a half hours later, so it would have been dusk
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and by the time they got to the hospital with
the with the being regional hospital, it would have been
six six point thirty something like this, and this is
broad daylight. So I'm going that doesn't that doesn't make sense.
But then when I found out about the chief of police,
who's who was present at the morning capture, I was like, ah,
that was that being because that was in the morning.
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And it's so funny too, because you know how you
hide things in plain sight. I mean, you go to
regional hospital and they've got a big official government plaque
right out in front of the hospital that this was
the path of the et this is it came here
and then it went here and it went there. It's
just like right in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Amazing. And yet everybody's told the shut up, shut up,
don't say anything.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, you know, really crazy and I you know, and
people have not that many, but some people have criticized.
I'm like, first of all, take a look at the
film and look at how look at him crying, and
look at me crying because I could feel his pain
and what it was like to try to have to
shoulder that burden for all those years. Like, can imagine
not being not being able to talk about something of
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that level of this that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Echoes Roswell right there. As Don Schmidt and Dom Kerry
have reported, some of these guys literally collapsed into their
lap crying, saying, I haven't talked about this in fifty years.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah, this was twenty nine years for him, and he
was crying. He was a neurosurgeon crying, And I cried
because I could feel his pain. I know what it's like.
I believe me I meet with enough witnesses to know
what it's like when they feel that sense of relief
when you're harboring. And you know, one of the things
I don't talk about very often is that we there
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were two guys military man, one was Eric Lopez and
another one was Marco Scheri's that were involved in the
afternoon early evening capture not too far away from where
the girls came in touch, in contact with this being,
and Eric Lopes well, one of the military officers died,
Marcus Scherie, so clearly he's not talking. So the only
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person left alive today of that second capture that we
know of is Eric Lopez. Well, we couldn't get up.
We tried for over a decade, well over a decade.
We ended up having to doorstep him, and it's just
showing up at his house, like we did with the
former chief of Police, Pivot rag Ork. Sometimes that's the
last ditch resort and people go, well, that's really not
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fair in this that it's like, well, you know that
was there was no other option left. And I didn't
know it first because everything was in a foreign language.
But I'm looking into his eyes when we showed up
at his house. He didn't come to the front door.
He actually came out a window on the second floor
and looked down at us. And as it turns out,
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he did have a gun, but he had his phone
in one hand and a gun in the other. But
I'm looking into his eyes when I didn't realize it
was Eric Lopes, I was just like, it's almost like
time stopped. I'm looking into his eyes and I'm thinking
to myself, I've never seen eyes like that before. It
was like his eyes were so troubled, like harboring something,
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a deep, dark secret, like the burden of that, the
weight of that. You could see it in his eyes.
And it doesn't translate in the movie. But I was
looking into his eyes. Then. Of course, as it turns out,
that was Eric Loobes, and you know, and you think, like,
if it didn't happen and he wasn't this the driver
to the second capture, why wouldn't he just come out
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and say, you know, there's been a huge misunderstanding. I
don't know why they keep including my name on this.
I had nothing to do with it. I'm sorry you're
knocking on the wrong you know. But instead he's like,
you know, if you're here to talk about the ET.
Eric won't talk. That was the first thing out of
his mouth. Like we didn't say, hey, we're here to
talk about the ET.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We're like, why could you be here? But you're right,
why wouldn't he just not all these things? Just dismiss it. No,
I didn't see anything. End of story.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, it's crazy. And you know, I took a young
influencer who's I don't think he'll mind me talking about
this amar with yes theory, excuse me, and I took
his team and they followed us around for I don't
know ten days on one of our many trips, recent
trips to Brazil. They were like, it's so bloody obvious.
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It's so like that this event happened. When you start
meeting the first hand witnesses, and you start meeting their
family members, and you start meeting people in the town,
Like I remember just recently, this woman came up to
me at an event we did in Virginia and she
was shaking and she said, Eacheloe is telling the truth.
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That's the neurosurgeon. And I said, how do you know
she goes? Because I was there. Wow, So I said,
will will you come forward? I can't come forward right now,
my job, I can't do that, but I I want
you to know I was there. He's telling the truth.
It happened, and there are a lot of those types
of people that we had met with that are just
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not quite ready yet, but that will happen soon. And
courage is contagious, and there's strength in numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And as they see this information coming out, they may
become more comfortable. Let's take a quick break right here.
When we come back, we're going to ask James about
the specific details of this alleged alien being. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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We're talking to James Fox here about this latest rendition
of his movie and the creature that was witnessed in
Brazil over thirty years ago. James, I tried immediately to think,
what else could this be? Could it be a mutant
animal or something maybe they haven't seen before, an exotic animal.
But when you see that drawing that was made of
what happened, it's pretty unlike anything I've ever seen before,
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I mean outside of a mutated mistake. In a lab somewhere.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Outside of an idiot.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, you know. There were a couple of things that
I that I don't often share, that I'll share with
you here, and that is I've been spending a lot
of time, and I've spent a lot of time, a
fairly good amount of time with the three girls. There
were two sisters, Liliani and Valkyria. Valkyria at the time
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was fourteen, Lilyani was sixteen. And then they had a deer,
a good friend, Katia, and she was twenty one. And
when they came in contact with this bean, and it
moved and looked at them right in the eyes, from
eight to ten feet away in broad daylight. Two girls, well,
they all had immediate eye contact and immediate communication with
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this bean. It was scared, it was frightened, it was vulnerable,
it was feeble, it was suffering. Liliani and Valkyria. Well, Liliani,
who was sixteen, grabs her hand of her younger sister fourteen,
and high tails it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Out of there.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And she gets they get, I don't know, one hundred
to two hundred feet away, and they realize, oh gosh,
we left Katya behind. I've got to go back and
get Katya. So Liliani. The relevance of this will come
clear in a second. So Liliani leaves her younger sister
Valkyria and heads back. She gets there, grabs Katya, who
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is in a She was in it. She was just fixated, eyeball,
just face to face, eyes to eyes contact with this bean.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right wow.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And she felt sorry for it because it was suffering
and it wanted help and said to her, And she
just told me. A lot of this, like more and
more comes out every time we meet. She's like, you know, James,
I'm every day I think I should have helped that being,
because the being basically communicated to me that it was
scared and it wanted help, and it said either help
me or don't hurt me, leave me, leave me be.
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But it was frightened, and she said, and then I
left it, and it got captured by the military, and
I don't know what happened to it, and I feel guilty,
and I shouldn't have. I should have helped it, you know,
and I you know, I mean, you know, So there
was that. Then when doctor e Telow comes forward and
starts talking, and this is a neurosurgeon and again, I'll
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remind you, audience, and I know I've said this before,
and I'm gonna keep saying that he's still the lead
neurosurgeon at He's not selling his story. He did not
come to us, We found him and pestered him for
over a year. He's not asking for any money for
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his story, nor is he selling a book or a documentary.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
He said that this being, this non human intelligent being,
was a more advanced intelligence than anything on Earth by
a long shot, by a long shot. And he said,
the first time he locked eyes with it, he knew.
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I said, well, how long did it take before you
realize you were not looking at something on earth? He goes,
in a less than a blink of it, like immediately,
as soon as I locked eyes with this thing, I
knew was not of this earth immediately. And he said
that the first gaze was it communicating to him that
it was. It was. It wasn't frightened, it felt safe,
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it was peaceful, it was compassionate, it was communitdicating. I'm okay.
Then it looked out the window, almost longingly, like it
wanted to be out there, like it was. And then
it turned back and he said, the second look was
it trying to understand him, like almost as if it
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were a like a like a like a like a
really smart intellectual, like elderly person trying to look into
the eyes of a child, if that makes sense, Because
I kept trying to say, well, how did you know
it was an advanced intelligence? Because it was. It was
non judgmental, but it was. He said that there was
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so much to learn from just looking into the eyes
of that being. It's just He's like, I'll never never
forget it, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And he understood that the being understood why it was
there and what was happening.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Now it knew that it was in captivity. But despite
the fact that it was in captivity, he said, it
had control of the room. I mean, I know, and
you know, and then he left the room and while
I guess what after he left the room, somehow uh
the military had come in and grabbed it. And you know,
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I was told that it went to It went to
uh as a military base, and then from Essa went
to a place called Kempenis.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, I want to go through the whole sequence of
how you chase that down on the next segment real quick.
I want to ask you, you know, beyond beyond the
first person accounts that we see in the film. Michael
provided me with all this extra material that you shot,
and I watched every second of it, and you have
most all of these witnesses basically doing a testify, testifying
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on camera. I don't think I've ever seen this before,
and I thought it was absolutely brilliant of you to
capture this because they sit down, raise their hand, swear
to God that it's true, and they're They're all like,
you can test me, you can light detect on me,
whatever it is. This is what I saw, and I
personally found that extremely compelling because I always thought if
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something like this happened to me, that's exactly how I
would be. I don't lie, so have at it. Why
did you find these people in person?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh my gosh, well, how much time do you have?
I mean I started investigating this case rule.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, brother, I mean, how did you find them to
be as like integrity?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Oh my gosh, I mean we so just recently, just
a few months ago, for the first time ever, I
invited I read it a big space just outside of Bargenia,
basically in the town of Virginia. But it was on
the outskirts a big space, and I invited all their
families over for a lunch, and I said in exchange,
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I want to get everyone on camera, all your grandparents, everybody,
the whole lineage. I don't get them on camera. How
has this story affected your life? What do you think
of your daughter? What do you think of your mother?
What do you think of that? You know? And just
documenting really getting to know them, and when you get
to know there's just no there's no there's just no
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way in heck, like just just when you meet the
families and the coworkers and the colleagues and the friends
and the just you just go, my god, this this happened.
This happened, no question about it. And you know, the
mother of the two daughters was offered a big sum
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of money by these men in suits. The only caveat
was that she had to get her daughters to lie
on television. The next day, She's like, my daughters aren't liars.
I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think you really upstanding, don't you.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I mean, that's a briefcase filled with money. God, Because
she's like, my daughters are not liars. That's not who
I raised, No, we're not doing that. Go leave us loan.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's pretty compelling to me, right, Yeah, and then
you do that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well, you see some cases like where all of a sudden,
witnesses that have maintained something that had happened, all of
a sudden, there's one witness that is in question. Right,
you wonder you just wonder if those same men in
suits had gone to them and offered them money to
say I was lying, because it's a really good way
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to muddy the waters and obfuscate the whole thing and
then bringing everything into question.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We always hear these stories. It's the carrot and the stick.
They offer him money and and or they threaten them.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Yeah. Well, I mean in a lot of times it works. Unfortunately,
because I remember getting I remember when I was investigating
the Phoenix Lights case, obviously going after videotape evidence there
as well. By god, most of it eluds you. This
guy had a visit from men in suits. It was
in July at that point, and he was in direct
(30:02):
contact with Francis Barwood. He was canceled, and he shot
video footage of it because he was going to get
a nice shot on a tripod of the hell Bob comment,
and it appened the UFO flew right over his house
and he had men in suits show up. They made
arrangements for him to drop the footage off with Francis
Barwood at her office, and then two men showed up
(30:26):
quote unquote from her office, and he was said that
he was relieved that was all they wanted because they
were quite menacing looking. They wanted the footage and the
only question they asked him is did you make copies?
He said no, and then they left. And then, of
course a week or two goes by, he doesn't hear
from Francis, so he calls her up and he says, hey,
you know, what did you think of the footage? He said, well,
I thought you were going to drop it off my office. Well,
(30:48):
I didn't have to drop it off my office because
you sent two men around to pick it up. No,
I didn't send anybody around, Like if I had a
dollar for every time I've heard those stories. So, you know,
when I hear about other witnesses going sideways, that's what
I'm thinking. I'm thinking somebody in some unknown alphabet agency
or whatever they're three letter or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, man, it's scary, but I.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Feel I can't prove it. But that's what I mean.
I could probably create a pretty strong case.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yep, there's a documentary right there. When we come back.
We're going to ask James about this chain of custody
that he brought up and what it was like tracking
down this story. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We're
(31:47):
back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with filmmaker investigator James Fox. James,
it seems like you're on a wild goose taste chasing
down this being chain of custody. Uh, it went from
a car to a hospital to a military thing. What
was it like chasing this thing down?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, I'll remind your audience that when I started
looking into this, and I could go back to the
late nineties, I was producing my second, my second UFO film,
which turned out to be Out of the Blue. I
did Fifty Years of Denial in the mid nineties and
I think I'm released it in ninety seven, ninety eight,
ninety nine, something like that. And I'd heard about this case,
(32:28):
this so called crash case with the live aliens and
I remember thinking to myself, that is the most ridiculous
account story I've ever heard in my life, and I'm
not going to waste one second on this totally an
utterly absurd account, like life is too short and that's
just nonsense. So I didn't even look into it for
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another ten years. And then when I went to Brazil
when I was forty one and I'm fifty seven now
about to be fifty eight. You could do the math,
I was told again to look into it. I was
going to a place called betoib which is to the
south of South Paula on the coast. Just coincidentally, Stanton
Friedman happened to be speaking at the same event I
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was at, and that topic of Virginia came up again.
Read It's ugly head, and Stanton saw this very dismissive
look on my face. And Stanton's like, whoa, whoa, what's
you know? Like ho tight there, buddy, you know, I just,
you know, don't be so judgmental, don't you know, don't
what do they say, Don't bother me with the evidence.
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My mind is made up.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's exactly what he used to say.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Ye yeah, And Stanton said, like James this could turn
out to be the roswell of Brazil. Don't be so dismissive,
like look into it. So based on my respect for
Stanton Friedman, you know, I had other people try to
get me to look into it, and I told him
to go kick rocks. But I was like, all right,
I'll look into it, and I'm sure after a month
or two i'll be I'll figure it out. It's all
a big hoax and there's nothing to it. Well, exactly
(33:59):
the opposite happened. The more I dug, the more I
I unearthed, the more I unearthed, the more I was like,
holy smokes, there's something going on here. And then I
would say the wow moment for me was probably to
twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I went up to I had
(34:20):
two meetings with an Air Force Brazilian Air Force general
by the name of Josie Carnos Pereira, and he's like,
i'll talk about uber Tuba, I'll talk about UFOs over
Brazil six, I'll talk about Kolaris in the seventies. You
mentioned one thing, one thing about Virginia and this interview
is terminated. Wow, what what? What? I looked at my
(34:43):
buddy Marco, I'm like, what's this guy's what do you talk? What?
I can't even ask a question, And that's what he
said the ind of the interview. But I didn't ask.
I didn't ask because he was very like they never
had somebody be so adamant about don't even ask. So
the end of the interview, shut off the cameras, shut
(35:04):
off the audio. He's buttoning up his affairs, he's getting ready.
He had a driver waiting for him, and Marco and
I were begging him. I was, I jokingly say, I
was bactically licking the dirt off his boots. I mean
I was begging him. I promise you, I swear in
my life there's no cameras rolling this just between the
three of us. Please, General, please tell me, please. And
he's getting his briefcase and he walks back to the car.
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The driver's waiting, The door's open. He sits in the
back seat, leaves the door open. The driver of the
car is running. The driver's behind the wheel, and he
looks up at Marko and I and he goes it happened,
and he closed the door and drives off. And I
remember looking like I can't even begin to tell you
to look in mark on his eyes because and that
was not like, that was not for anybody else other
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than just for us. Yeah, to keep us going because
when I heard that and I was like, why would
he lie? Why?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right? Again? No upside to this? What upside is there
to say this to you? Right?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And then chasing down people of the story and then
of course that was really difficult. Every single person we
got to participate was a fight. Marco, Oh my gosh,
Marco Lalo's is a superstar. I mean we'd find people
and they'd you know, five years, seven years, eight years
to get him to go on camera. And then once
the first version of Moment of Contact came out and
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it spread like wildfire across Brazil, they realized a lot
of people realized, Wow, these guys are serious, that they're
creating a serious piece of work. I think I want
to join the Truths the Truths speakers and you know,
get this off my chest. So more people coming forward,
and guess what, there are more people right now coming forward.
(36:44):
I do wish.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That was my next question for you, is I don't
think this is the end of this case? Is it?
It seems like as you're getting the information out there.
More people seem willing to come forward. Is that true?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Like I said, I just got the lawyer of the
police chief and his children. Is he lying to his children?
Is he lying to his daughter? Is he lying to
his two sons? Is he lying to his wife? Is
he lying to his lawyer?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Why why he saw the bean? It happened. It's history,
it's not a story. I was there, I participated. This
is the chief of police. And I'll tell you anybody
questioning neurosurgeon Ittello, you put the money up, he goes,
I'll take a public light to text or test with
(37:29):
my right hand on a bible. I'll do it tomorrow publicly.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Will you have him recording and you have him saying.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
The end? I asked him in front of all the
other doctors. Would you take a public light detective test.
It's not an easy question to ask somebody because you're
basically saying, I think you might be full of doggie doodoo.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I wouldn't say that, but that's the position that a
lot of people are probably thinking. Because he's claiming to
have had face to face contact with a live captured,
non human intelligent being that's a big effing deal.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And the fact that he just had a heart attack
and he felt like since the other guy died of
a heart attack, he didn't want this story to die.
And he said, you know what, I don't care anymore.
I'm just going to get it out. That's perfect, I.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Know, man, right. And there are other doctors that we found.
I was banging on doors just two months ago. I
literally was in downtown Virginia knocking on all the doors
of all the doctors. I talked to two of them.
I needed more time. I needed more time. But I
found two nurses that saw the being, both of which
were not willing. They said it to my face, we're
not willing to come forward yet. We have another doctor
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that saw the video that individuals not quite ready to
come forward, but will. And there are two or three
other doctors that we know of that we're trying to
get to come forward.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, you're also lucky that this case only happened thirty
years ago. You know, Roswell was so long ago that
those poor guys were what do they say, chasing the
gray robbers or they have some saying that they said
because they were trying to find guys and then they
finally would get the name that get to the place
and oh he died a month ago, and whoa I was.
And these witnesses were little girls when this happened. They
(39:07):
were teenagers, so that you know, they're still young enough
to talk about this story, and it's really an advantage.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, we actually found Marco Laou found one of the
firemen that was involved in the first capture, and we
have a secret recording of him. But I think he died.
I think he died, but we have that secret recording.
I don't know. I think he's worried about the family.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I need to talk to Marco about that.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But we did one of these little pieces. Does add
to that puzzle though.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Yeah, no, for sure. Well obviously the you know, the prizes,
the video, photograph, and we need Americans, we need people
on the American side. I don't know if you were aware.
We did an event at the National Press Club of
January twentieth. Yeah, that was that was to kind of
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acknowledge the thirtieth anniversary of this crash, real table case,
because there's all this talk of crash retrieval and yet
there are no really good cases this is the case.
As far as I'm concerned, I can't think of a
better case, better, more well documented, more compelling case. And
we had a colonel in the United States Air Force
also just happens to be a witness to a UFO encounter,
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as he was a military fighter jet pilot and his
name is Colonel Clausen, and he went up and he said, Okay,
if this flight happened, I don't care if it's class
fight or not, there's going to be a paper trail.
And he went through the various aspects of it. Now
there are members of Congress that are in any physial
capacity launching an investigation to find that plane on that flight.
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We have a date, we have roughly a date, and
we have a location.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That's really cool. Man, listen this whole investigation. I think
you've done an amazing job with it. It's an incredible
documentary and I really appreciate you taking the time to
share us with us today. This is fascinating stuff. So
keep at it because I think there's more here, more
to come.
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Thank you, Thank you so much. And if people like
what I'm doing, rent the movie. It really helps support.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's on Amazon and everywhere right now right.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, and then we'll be making it available
for free in the next couple of months on YouTube
Movies Perfect.
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with James Fox. James is an internationally recognized
documentary filmmaker specializing in UFOs, UAPs, and government disclosure. For
the last two decades, he has become one of the
most influential voices in the field, known for combining first
hand witness testimony with high level military and intelligence sources.
(01:29):
Hey James, good to see you again.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Brother, Hey, thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know, I remember when I went with you to
your film debut in twenty twenty two of Moment of
Contact in downtown LA and with Jordan and Laurie and
everybody and Jimmy, and that was great. And now you
have a new version called Moment of Contact New Revelations
of Alien Encounters. This is an expanded version of that
original edit. And I have to tell you, man, the
(01:59):
new one makes the case even more compelling. The money shot,
of course, is you were able to track down the
actual doctor was an accomplished Brazilian neurosurgeon. Doctor. I think
it's Italio Venturelli who flat out states on camera I
saw and interacted with this being.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Wow, man, no, it's it's incredible. And you you know,
he was highly conflicted. He's not an idiot. He works
on people's brains. He plays piano like Mozart. The guy
is an incredible human being. He's so interested in so
many different aspects, historical history, music, you know, and it just
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so happens he's a neurosurgeon. It had just happens. He's
the lead neurosurgeon, and he had kept this secret for
twenty nine years. And we found him because we had
a lead on a potential video that was taken. And
I'll remind your audience that these neurosurgeons at these hospitals
had video cameras in nineteen ninety six and they would
(03:03):
document procedures and share those procedures with fellow colleagues and
people in the industry and hey, how did I do?
Did I Could I have done anything differently? They and
they swap notes and examined each other's works. So we
got word that there was a video taken by one
of by a neurosurgeon we didn't know who, and that
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that video was showed to or shared with a guy
named doctor Etelo, and he was a current neurosurgeon at
Regional Hospital. So we tracked him down a couple of
years ago, and to my amazement and to Marco Leal,
my partner's amazement, he confesses on a zoom call that yeah,
(03:48):
that video does exist, and yeah, he was shown the
video by Marcos gave us the name Marcos Venizis who
unfortunately died of a heart attack. So we were going
after that video. Now, my partner, after the video call,
pressed him further on camera and said, hey, you know,
did you see the thing? Did did you hit any
other particular No, that's that's much I'm giving you. I
didn't see anything. I just I saw the video that exists,
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and that's the end of it. So about maybe less
than a year later, he had a heart attack. He
was apparently staring in the ceiling in the ICU, and
he said to himself, if I get through this, I'm
not taking this story to the grave. I'm gonna come clean.
I'm gonna find Fox's team and we're gonna and I'm
gonna I'm just gonna go full Monty on it, which
ultimately he did. It's the first and correct me if
(04:33):
I'm wrong, Ron, It's the first eyewitness testimony. Just so happens.
It's a neurosurgeon of face to face contact with a captured, live,
non human intelligent being I've never heard. I mean, obviously,
you know you've got Roswell and you've got Glenn Dennis,
(04:55):
and he had that connection to the nurse. But I
believe what she saw was dead that's third hand, right,
third party. Yeah, this is firsthand, and it's a neurosurgeon
and he's still the lead neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The whole story, how he had a heart attack, how
his partner had a heart attack and died and didn't
get to talk about this, that's very, very compelling to me.
It's just an incredible case. And some do compare it
to Roswell. I think it's really on that level. Do
you think it ranks up there?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I think it's better than Roswell. I mean because look,
we've got let's see, we've got the three girls that
came within eight to ten feet of a live, intelligent,
non human being. Okay, you've got military acts, so we
know we have his credentials. Who drove it? Evidently the
(05:51):
one he drove was dead, but he saw it. You've
got the two forensic pathologists, one that examined the tissue
samples that were given to him by doctor Armando, who
is a forensic pathologist that did the autopsy on the
deceased military officer Marco Cheriz who allegedly grabbed this creature
(06:14):
while it was alive, captured it with his bare hands
and inadvertently either got a scratch under his armpit or
he had that was an entry point of the bacteria
which killed him. And you've got now a forensic pathologist,
doctor Jannini, who established IPD Labs, saying that it's a
very rare bacteria that's very rarely found on Earth, but
(06:38):
it had evolved in a way that he's never seen
anything like it on Earth at all.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And he says he sounded like a million of these literally.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, So you have that, you have you know, now
we have a neurosurgeon who had face to face contact,
you have the girls, and then we have the former
chief of police, Pedro Aguiara like he was like trying
to grab a bar soap in the bathtub by jokingly say,
because for five years we were chasing him down. Also
because we heard that he had a photograph. And as
(07:10):
it turns out, we find out that he was involved
in the case, and he was involved in the earlier
capture because there were two known captures. Some people say
one of them was shot, two were captured live, one
got away.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But we also states that it was he wants he said,
this is history. That's why I'm talking to you. James
because it's history, not a story, it's history. I find
that a great quote.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And he said I participated, but he wouldn't go into
great detail about it. And he died a couple months
after going on camera for us, and just two months
ago we went back to Brazil, as I've done it.
I went to Brazil four times in the span of
twelve months with our production assistant and partner Alini. We
(07:59):
met up with Marco and we brought all the doctors
together for the first time in history after thirty years.
That were the known doctors involved in the case. But
I also we had a couple of day extra days
at the end of that operation, and we went out
I'm trying to remember the name of the town, but
it was a few I don't know, maybe a half
(08:20):
day's driver maybe a half day's drive away from Virginia
and went to where the former chief of police was
I think it was today's Carsonis and we met up
with his two sons, his daughter, and his lawyer, and
we got the account and his now widow and who
got them all on camera, and they said that he
(08:41):
had shared with them that he had seen the bean,
that it was real. It happened. They said that he
was one of the most brave men. He was the
chief of police. He packed a gun, he dealt with
drug lords, he dealt with gangsters. He wasn't afraid of anyone,
but he was terrified of the men in suits. And
he was very mindful of how much information he gave
(09:02):
his kids. Other than confirming he saw the being it happened.
He told his wife that, He told his two sons
that we have it all on camera, told his daughter that,
and then he told the full story to his lawyer.
We met with his lawyer just a month and a
half two months ago, and he as well went on
cameras liked, well, he's dead now, so I'll tell you
the story. And so he told us the story. If
(09:23):
you want, I'll reveal it right here because it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Why don't we do that at the end of the
break here we'll hear that guy's story. That's fascinating. Listen,
will you take a quick break here, James, we come back.
We're going to ask you about the first person witnesses
that you were able to locate and get testimony from.
And I want to hear this amazing story about the
attorney's account of the sheriff's story. You're listening to be
on Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
(09:48):
Paranormal Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact talking to
(10:15):
James Fox here. James, this sounds amazing that you've got
the direct testimony from the attorney. Please share with us
what he said. The sheriff said.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
So, when you watch Moment of Contact New Revelations, you'll
see that we interviewed the former chief of Police, Pedro Aguiara.
And I know I've said this before, but it was
literally like trying to grab a bars over the bathtub.
We get him and then he would like give us
his address and then he would disappear. Then he wouldn't respond,
and then it was like, Okay, we're gonna meet. And
this went on for about five years. Finally we doorstepped
(10:46):
him and we got the interview and he tells us
he was involved. He tells us he saw the bean,
but he was somewhat nebulous about it. It was like
either in a net or that it had just been captured.
But he just wouldn't go into too much more detail.
And we pushed him on the photographic evidence. We really
squeezed him hard, but he gave us as much as
(11:06):
he gave us, and he said, this is not this
is not a story, this is history. This happened. I participated,
This is real, like I was there. But he dies
a couple of months later, and just a few months
ago I went back to for the fourth time to
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Bargenia and I had some other business with some of
the doctors, the town mayor. We had some events and screenings, YadA, YadA, YadA,
and then we had about forty eight hours of time
left and we went and we tracked down the former
chief of police family, his widow, his two sons, his
daughter coincidentally, his lawyer. We'd put them all on camera,
(11:48):
every single one of them, and then we were like,
what did he tell you, like you know, and our
father said that, you know, it happened. Our father was,
you know, excuse the term. He was a badass, and
he wasn't afraid of anyone. He dealt with gangsters and
drug dealers, but he was terrified of the men in suits.
That was exactly how the daughter and the son, the
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older son pointed it out. The men in suits. You
could interpret that the way you do. But he said,
he confirmed that the inns had happened. He confirmed that
he saw the bean. He told that to his wife,
he told that to his two sons, he told that
to his daughter. But he didn't tell everything that happened
except for his lawyer. So his lawyer had filled in
(12:31):
all the gaps for us. So what happened was it
was the morning of January twentieth. I don't know what time,
but it was the morning he was called in to
come to a location where something extraordinary was taking place.
I don't know if they said there was a live
alien on the loose, I really don't know. But he
was given the coordinates. He races down there in his car.
He gets to the spot, he leaps out of his
(12:53):
car and he's running up to get to that point.
And he stopped at gunpoint by two young military Harry's soldiers,
and they're pointing their guns at him and he and
they're twenty years old, they were very young, and he
was probably in his mid forties. And he pulls his
gun out back at them and he says, you know,
(13:13):
you can't be threatening me. I'm the chief of police.
You put your weapons down. We don't care who you are.
This is a national security issue. So there they were
sitting there, both with their guns drawn, having this standoff,
and he's yelling at them and they're yelling at him.
And while this is happening, he sees the creature being
captured by two firemen in a net. And then he's
(13:36):
taken back to as a military base, where he said
he saw more brass and that was like high level
military officials. He talked about the helicopters coming and going.
He talked about the Americans coming, that things went to Campenas,
and then from Campenis the Americans came in. He said
most of this on camera, but that they standoff and
what he actually saw. Those details were given to his lawyer,
(13:59):
and his lawyer revealed that to us. So then we
started thinking, you know, because I asked doctor Etelow, the neurosurgeon,
and I said, you said that what I do oftentimes
is I'll get a witness to go through not every second,
but every fraction of a second. So if the event
took place over a two to three four minute period,
(14:21):
I will know. I'll break a second down into thirty frames, right,
I want to know everything that happened. I want a
complete reenactment and doctor and I could see he was
getting annoyed after about four hours, but I wanted to
know when he turned this way, what were you doing?
Where were you standing, Where was the other doctor standing,
Where were the curtains? Where was this when the entity?
(14:43):
You say, the entity looked out the window two times?
What did the NDC? He's like it was blue sky
and some light clouds. And I thought to myself, well,
that's funny because the two military officers on January twentieth,
after the girls came in contact, the girls saw the
creature at about three fifteen to three to twelve in
the afternoon, and the capture was about two two and
a half hours later, so it would have been dusk
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and by the time they got to the hospital with
the with the being regional hospital, it would have been
six six point thirty something like this, and this is
broad daylight. So I'm going that doesn't that doesn't make sense.
But then when I found out about the chief of police,
who's who was present at the morning capture, I was like, ah,
that was that being because that was in the morning.
(15:28):
And it's so funny too, because you know how you
hide things in plain sight. I mean, you go to
regional hospital and they've got a big official government plaque
right out in front of the hospital that this was
the path of the et this is it came here
and then it went here and it went there. It's
just like right in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Amazing. And yet everybody's told the shut up, shut up,
don't say anything.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, you know, really crazy and I you know, and
people have not that many, but some people have criticized.
I'm like, first of all, take a look at the
film and look at how look at him crying, and
look at me crying because I could feel his pain
and what it was like to try to have to
shoulder that burden for all those years. Like, can imagine
not being not being able to talk about something of
(16:10):
that level of this that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Echoes Roswell right there. As Don Schmidt and Dom Kerry
have reported, some of these guys literally collapsed into their
lap crying, saying, I haven't talked about this in fifty years.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah, this was twenty nine years for him, and he
was crying. He was a neurosurgeon crying, And I cried
because I could feel his pain. I know what it's like.
I believe me I meet with enough witnesses to know
what it's like when they feel that sense of relief
when you're harboring. And you know, one of the things
I don't talk about very often is that we there
(16:43):
were two guys military man, one was Eric Lopez and
another one was Marco Scheri's that were involved in the
afternoon early evening capture not too far away from where
the girls came in touch, in contact with this being,
and Eric Lopes well, one of the military officers died,
Marcus Scherie, so clearly he's not talking. So the only
(17:06):
person left alive today of that second capture that we
know of is Eric Lopez. Well, we couldn't get up.
We tried for over a decade, well over a decade.
We ended up having to doorstep him, and it's just
showing up at his house, like we did with the
former chief of Police, Pivot rag Ork. Sometimes that's the
last ditch resort and people go, well, that's really not
(17:27):
fair in this that it's like, well, you know that
was there was no other option left. And I didn't
know it first because everything was in a foreign language.
But I'm looking into his eyes when we showed up
at his house. He didn't come to the front door.
He actually came out a window on the second floor
and looked down at us. And as it turns out,
(17:49):
he did have a gun, but he had his phone
in one hand and a gun in the other. But
I'm looking into his eyes when I didn't realize it
was Eric Lopes, I was just like, it's almost like
time stopped. I'm looking into his eyes and I'm thinking
to myself, I've never seen eyes like that before. It
was like his eyes were so troubled, like harboring something,
(18:10):
a deep, dark secret, like the burden of that, the
weight of that. You could see it in his eyes.
And it doesn't translate in the movie. But I was
looking into his eyes. Then. Of course, as it turns out,
that was Eric Loobes, and you know, and you think, like,
if it didn't happen and he wasn't this the driver
to the second capture, why wouldn't he just come out
(18:33):
and say, you know, there's been a huge misunderstanding. I
don't know why they keep including my name on this.
I had nothing to do with it. I'm sorry you're
knocking on the wrong you know. But instead he's like,
you know, if you're here to talk about the ET.
Eric won't talk. That was the first thing out of
his mouth. Like we didn't say, hey, we're here to
talk about the ET.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We're like, why could you be here? But you're right,
why wouldn't he just not all these things? Just dismiss it. No,
I didn't see anything. End of story.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, it's crazy. And you know, I took a young
influencer who's I don't think he'll mind me talking about
this amar with yes theory, excuse me, and I took
his team and they followed us around for I don't
know ten days on one of our many trips, recent
trips to Brazil. They were like, it's so bloody obvious.
(19:25):
It's so like that this event happened. When you start
meeting the first hand witnesses, and you start meeting their
family members, and you start meeting people in the town,
Like I remember just recently, this woman came up to
me at an event we did in Virginia and she
was shaking and she said, Eacheloe is telling the truth.
(19:47):
That's the neurosurgeon. And I said, how do you know
she goes? Because I was there. Wow, So I said,
will will you come forward? I can't come forward right now,
my job, I can't do that, but I I want
you to know I was there. He's telling the truth.
It happened, and there are a lot of those types
of people that we had met with that are just
(20:07):
not quite ready yet, but that will happen soon. And
courage is contagious, and there's strength in numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And as they see this information coming out, they may
become more comfortable. Let's take a quick break right here.
When we come back, we're going to ask James about
the specific details of this alleged alien being. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
(20:49):
We're talking to James Fox here about this latest rendition
of his movie and the creature that was witnessed in
Brazil over thirty years ago. James, I tried immediately to think,
what else could this be? Could it be a mutant
animal or something maybe they haven't seen before, an exotic animal.
But when you see that drawing that was made of
what happened, it's pretty unlike anything I've ever seen before,
(21:11):
I mean outside of a mutated mistake. In a lab somewhere.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Outside of an idiot.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, you know. There were a couple of things that
I that I don't often share, that I'll share with
you here, and that is I've been spending a lot
of time, and I've spent a lot of time, a
fairly good amount of time with the three girls. There
were two sisters, Liliani and Valkyria. Valkyria at the time
(21:42):
was fourteen, Lilyani was sixteen. And then they had a deer,
a good friend, Katia, and she was twenty one. And
when they came in contact with this bean, and it
moved and looked at them right in the eyes, from
eight to ten feet away in broad daylight. Two girls, well,
they all had immediate eye contact and immediate communication with
(22:05):
this bean. It was scared, it was frightened, it was vulnerable,
it was feeble, it was suffering. Liliani and Valkyria. Well, Liliani,
who was sixteen, grabs her hand of her younger sister fourteen,
and high tails it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Out of there.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And she gets they get, I don't know, one hundred
to two hundred feet away, and they realize, oh gosh,
we left Katya behind. I've got to go back and
get Katya. So Liliani. The relevance of this will come
clear in a second. So Liliani leaves her younger sister
Valkyria and heads back. She gets there, grabs Katya, who
(22:45):
is in a She was in it. She was just fixated, eyeball,
just face to face, eyes to eyes contact with this bean.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right wow.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And she felt sorry for it because it was suffering
and it wanted help and said to her, And she
just told me. A lot of this, like more and
more comes out every time we meet. She's like, you know, James,
I'm every day I think I should have helped that being,
because the being basically communicated to me that it was
scared and it wanted help, and it said either help
me or don't hurt me, leave me, leave me be.
(23:18):
But it was frightened, and she said, and then I
left it, and it got captured by the military, and
I don't know what happened to it, and I feel guilty,
and I shouldn't have. I should have helped it, you know,
and I you know, I mean, you know, So there
was that. Then when doctor e Telow comes forward and
starts talking, and this is a neurosurgeon and again, I'll
(23:41):
remind you, audience, and I know I've said this before,
and I'm gonna keep saying that he's still the lead
neurosurgeon at He's not selling his story. He did not
come to us, We found him and pestered him for
over a year. He's not asking for any money for
(24:01):
his story, nor is he selling a book or a documentary.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
He said that this being, this non human intelligent being,
was a more advanced intelligence than anything on Earth by
a long shot, by a long shot. And he said,
the first time he locked eyes with it, he knew.
(24:29):
I said, well, how long did it take before you
realize you were not looking at something on earth? He goes,
in a less than a blink of it, like immediately,
as soon as I locked eyes with this thing, I
knew was not of this earth immediately. And he said
that the first gaze was it communicating to him that
it was. It was. It wasn't frightened, it felt safe,
(24:53):
it was peaceful, it was compassionate, it was communitdicating. I'm okay.
Then it looked out the window, almost longingly, like it
wanted to be out there, like it was. And then
it turned back and he said, the second look was
it trying to understand him, like almost as if it
(25:19):
were a like a like a like a like a
really smart intellectual, like elderly person trying to look into
the eyes of a child, if that makes sense, Because
I kept trying to say, well, how did you know
it was an advanced intelligence? Because it was. It was
non judgmental, but it was. He said that there was
(25:42):
so much to learn from just looking into the eyes
of that being. It's just He's like, I'll never never
forget it, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And he understood that the being understood why it was
there and what was happening.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Now it knew that it was in captivity. But despite
the fact that it was in captivity, he said, it
had control of the room. I mean, I know, and
you know, and then he left the room and while
I guess what after he left the room, somehow uh
the military had come in and grabbed it. And you know,
(26:16):
I was told that it went to It went to
uh as a military base, and then from Essa went
to a place called Kempenis.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, I want to go through the whole sequence of
how you chase that down on the next segment real quick.
I want to ask you, you know, beyond beyond the
first person accounts that we see in the film. Michael
provided me with all this extra material that you shot,
and I watched every second of it, and you have
most all of these witnesses basically doing a testify, testifying
(26:46):
on camera. I don't think I've ever seen this before,
and I thought it was absolutely brilliant of you to
capture this because they sit down, raise their hand, swear
to God that it's true, and they're They're all like,
you can test me, you can light detect on me,
whatever it is. This is what I saw, and I
personally found that extremely compelling because I always thought if
(27:08):
something like this happened to me, that's exactly how I
would be. I don't lie, so have at it. Why
did you find these people in person?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh my gosh, well, how much time do you have?
I mean I started investigating this case rule.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, brother, I mean, how did you find them to
be as like integrity?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Oh my gosh, I mean we so just recently, just
a few months ago, for the first time ever, I
invited I read it a big space just outside of Bargenia,
basically in the town of Virginia. But it was on
the outskirts a big space, and I invited all their
families over for a lunch, and I said in exchange,
(27:50):
I want to get everyone on camera, all your grandparents, everybody,
the whole lineage. I don't get them on camera. How
has this story affected your life? What do you think
of your daughter? What do you think of your mother?
What do you think of that? You know? And just
documenting really getting to know them, and when you get
to know there's just no there's no there's just no
(28:13):
way in heck, like just just when you meet the
families and the coworkers and the colleagues and the friends
and the just you just go, my god, this this happened.
This happened, no question about it. And you know, the
mother of the two daughters was offered a big sum
(28:34):
of money by these men in suits. The only caveat
was that she had to get her daughters to lie
on television. The next day, She's like, my daughters aren't liars.
I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think you really upstanding, don't you.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I mean, that's a briefcase filled with money. God, Because
she's like, my daughters are not liars. That's not who
I raised, No, we're not doing that. Go leave us loan.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's pretty compelling to me, right, Yeah, and then
you do that.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well, you see some cases like where all of a sudden,
witnesses that have maintained something that had happened, all of
a sudden, there's one witness that is in question. Right,
you wonder you just wonder if those same men in
suits had gone to them and offered them money to
say I was lying, because it's a really good way
(29:28):
to muddy the waters and obfuscate the whole thing and
then bringing everything into question.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We always hear these stories. It's the carrot and the stick.
They offer him money and and or they threaten them.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Yeah. Well, I mean in a lot of times it works. Unfortunately,
because I remember getting I remember when I was investigating
the Phoenix Lights case, obviously going after videotape evidence there
as well. By god, most of it eluds you. This
guy had a visit from men in suits. It was
in July at that point, and he was in direct
(30:02):
contact with Francis Barwood. He was canceled, and he shot
video footage of it because he was going to get
a nice shot on a tripod of the hell Bob comment,
and it appened the UFO flew right over his house
and he had men in suits show up. They made
arrangements for him to drop the footage off with Francis
Barwood at her office, and then two men showed up
(30:26):
quote unquote from her office, and he was said that
he was relieved that was all they wanted because they
were quite menacing looking. They wanted the footage and the
only question they asked him is did you make copies?
He said no, and then they left. And then, of
course a week or two goes by, he doesn't hear
from Francis, so he calls her up and he says, hey,
you know, what did you think of the footage? He said, well,
I thought you were going to drop it off my office. Well,
(30:48):
I didn't have to drop it off my office because
you sent two men around to pick it up. No,
I didn't send anybody around, Like if I had a
dollar for every time I've heard those stories. So, you know,
when I hear about other witnesses going sideways, that's what
I'm thinking. I'm thinking somebody in some unknown alphabet agency
or whatever they're three letter or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, man, it's scary, but I.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Feel I can't prove it. But that's what I mean.
I could probably create a pretty strong case.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yep, there's a documentary right there. When we come back.
We're going to ask James about this chain of custody
that he brought up and what it was like tracking
down this story. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We're
(31:47):
back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with filmmaker investigator James Fox. James,
it seems like you're on a wild goose taste chasing
down this being chain of custody. Uh, it went from
a car to a hospital to a military thing. What
was it like chasing this thing down?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, I'll remind your audience that when I started
looking into this, and I could go back to the
late nineties, I was producing my second, my second UFO film,
which turned out to be Out of the Blue. I
did Fifty Years of Denial in the mid nineties and
I think I'm released it in ninety seven, ninety eight,
ninety nine, something like that. And I'd heard about this case,
(32:28):
this so called crash case with the live aliens and
I remember thinking to myself, that is the most ridiculous
account story I've ever heard in my life, and I'm
not going to waste one second on this totally an
utterly absurd account, like life is too short and that's
just nonsense. So I didn't even look into it for
(32:49):
another ten years. And then when I went to Brazil
when I was forty one and I'm fifty seven now
about to be fifty eight. You could do the math,
I was told again to look into it. I was
going to a place called betoib which is to the
south of South Paula on the coast. Just coincidentally, Stanton
Friedman happened to be speaking at the same event I
(33:12):
was at, and that topic of Virginia came up again.
Read It's ugly head, and Stanton saw this very dismissive
look on my face. And Stanton's like, whoa, whoa, what's
you know? Like ho tight there, buddy, you know, I just,
you know, don't be so judgmental, don't you know, don't
what do they say, Don't bother me with the evidence.
(33:34):
My mind is made up.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's exactly what he used to say.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Ye yeah, And Stanton said, like James this could turn
out to be the roswell of Brazil. Don't be so dismissive,
like look into it. So based on my respect for
Stanton Friedman, you know, I had other people try to
get me to look into it, and I told him
to go kick rocks. But I was like, all right,
I'll look into it, and I'm sure after a month
or two i'll be I'll figure it out. It's all
a big hoax and there's nothing to it. Well, exactly
(33:59):
the opposite happened. The more I dug, the more I
I unearthed, the more I unearthed, the more I was like,
holy smokes, there's something going on here. And then I
would say the wow moment for me was probably to
twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I went up to I had
(34:20):
two meetings with an Air Force Brazilian Air Force general
by the name of Josie Carnos Pereira, and he's like,
i'll talk about uber Tuba, I'll talk about UFOs over
Brazil six, I'll talk about Kolaris in the seventies. You
mentioned one thing, one thing about Virginia and this interview
is terminated. Wow, what what? What? I looked at my
(34:43):
buddy Marco, I'm like, what's this guy's what do you talk? What?
I can't even ask a question, And that's what he
said the ind of the interview. But I didn't ask.
I didn't ask because he was very like they never
had somebody be so adamant about don't even ask. So
the end of the interview, shut off the cameras, shut
(35:04):
off the audio. He's buttoning up his affairs, he's getting ready.
He had a driver waiting for him, and Marco and
I were begging him. I was, I jokingly say, I
was bactically licking the dirt off his boots. I mean
I was begging him. I promise you, I swear in
my life there's no cameras rolling this just between the
three of us. Please, General, please tell me, please. And
he's getting his briefcase and he walks back to the car.
(35:27):
The driver's waiting, The door's open. He sits in the
back seat, leaves the door open. The driver of the
car is running. The driver's behind the wheel, and he
looks up at Marko and I and he goes it happened,
and he closed the door and drives off. And I
remember looking like I can't even begin to tell you
to look in mark on his eyes because and that
was not like, that was not for anybody else other
(35:48):
than just for us. Yeah, to keep us going because
when I heard that and I was like, why would
he lie? Why?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right? Again? No upside to this? What upside is there
to say this to you? Right?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And then chasing down people of the story and then
of course that was really difficult. Every single person we
got to participate was a fight. Marco, Oh my gosh,
Marco Lalo's is a superstar. I mean we'd find people
and they'd you know, five years, seven years, eight years
to get him to go on camera. And then once
the first version of Moment of Contact came out and
(36:24):
it spread like wildfire across Brazil, they realized a lot
of people realized, Wow, these guys are serious, that they're
creating a serious piece of work. I think I want
to join the Truths the Truths speakers and you know,
get this off my chest. So more people coming forward,
and guess what, there are more people right now coming forward.
(36:44):
I do wish.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That was my next question for you, is I don't
think this is the end of this case? Is it?
It seems like as you're getting the information out there.
More people seem willing to come forward. Is that true?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Like I said, I just got the lawyer of the
police chief and his children. Is he lying to his children?
Is he lying to his daughter? Is he lying to
his two sons? Is he lying to his wife? Is
he lying to his lawyer?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Why why he saw the bean? It happened. It's history,
it's not a story. I was there, I participated. This
is the chief of police. And I'll tell you anybody
questioning neurosurgeon Ittello, you put the money up, he goes,
I'll take a public light to text or test with
(37:29):
my right hand on a bible. I'll do it tomorrow publicly.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Will you have him recording and you have him saying.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
The end? I asked him in front of all the
other doctors. Would you take a public light detective test.
It's not an easy question to ask somebody because you're
basically saying, I think you might be full of doggie doodoo.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I wouldn't say that, but that's the position that a
lot of people are probably thinking. Because he's claiming to
have had face to face contact with a live captured,
non human intelligent being that's a big effing deal.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And the fact that he just had a heart attack
and he felt like since the other guy died of
a heart attack, he didn't want this story to die.
And he said, you know what, I don't care anymore.
I'm just going to get it out. That's perfect, I.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Know, man, right. And there are other doctors that we found.
I was banging on doors just two months ago. I
literally was in downtown Virginia knocking on all the doors
of all the doctors. I talked to two of them.
I needed more time. I needed more time. But I
found two nurses that saw the being, both of which
were not willing. They said it to my face, we're
not willing to come forward yet. We have another doctor
(38:35):
that saw the video that individuals not quite ready to
come forward, but will. And there are two or three
other doctors that we know of that we're trying to
get to come forward.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, you're also lucky that this case only happened thirty
years ago. You know, Roswell was so long ago that
those poor guys were what do they say, chasing the
gray robbers or they have some saying that they said
because they were trying to find guys and then they
finally would get the name that get to the place
and oh he died a month ago, and whoa I was.
And these witnesses were little girls when this happened. They
(39:07):
were teenagers, so that you know, they're still young enough
to talk about this story, and it's really an advantage.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, we actually found Marco Laou found one of the
firemen that was involved in the first capture, and we
have a secret recording of him. But I think he died.
I think he died, but we have that secret recording.
I don't know. I think he's worried about the family.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I need to talk to Marco about that.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But we did one of these little pieces. Does add
to that puzzle though.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Yeah, no, for sure. Well obviously the you know, the prizes,
the video, photograph, and we need Americans, we need people
on the American side. I don't know if you were aware.
We did an event at the National Press Club of
January twentieth. Yeah, that was that was to kind of
(39:59):
acknowledge the thirtieth anniversary of this crash, real table case,
because there's all this talk of crash retrieval and yet
there are no really good cases this is the case.
As far as I'm concerned, I can't think of a
better case, better, more well documented, more compelling case. And
we had a colonel in the United States Air Force
also just happens to be a witness to a UFO encounter,
(40:20):
as he was a military fighter jet pilot and his
name is Colonel Clausen, and he went up and he said, Okay,
if this flight happened, I don't care if it's class
fight or not, there's going to be a paper trail.
And he went through the various aspects of it. Now
there are members of Congress that are in any physial
capacity launching an investigation to find that plane on that flight.
(40:41):
We have a date, we have roughly a date, and
we have a location.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That's really cool. Man, listen this whole investigation. I think
you've done an amazing job with it. It's an incredible
documentary and I really appreciate you taking the time to
share us with us today. This is fascinating stuff. So
keep at it because I think there's more here, more
to come.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Thank you, Thank you so much. And if people like
what I'm doing, rent the movie. It really helps support.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's on Amazon and everywhere right now right.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, and then we'll be making it available
for free in the next couple of months on YouTube
Movies Perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Thank you brother. You guys can find me on Twitter
and Instagram at cd Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by
checking out contact intheesert dot com. Stay open minded and
rational as we explore the unknown right here on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out all
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Speaker 5 (42:08):
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.