April 24, 2026 • 40 mins
Captain Ron sits down with Gino Gentile from The Why Files to break down UFO encounters, alien theories, and the mysteries that keep people questioning what’s really out there.
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Rona. Today we're
speaking with Geno Gentili. Gino's a researcher, writer, and the
executive producer of the YouTube series The y Files, where
they explore some of the most compelling mysteries of our time,
including UFOs, government secrecy, ancient civilizations, and various unexplained phenomenon.
GENO contributes to the show's deep dive investigations, which blends
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skepticism and open minded inquiry, which is right up our
alley here at Beyond Contact. As you all know, Welcome
my brother. Good to see you. What's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thank you for having me Ron. I'm really looking forward
to talking to you. I always that kind of brother.
I need that kind of intro. You need to follow
me everywhere I go. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know, you guys built this incredible thing WI Files
into this jugger or not in just five or six years,
you know, and I know you cover a wide spectrum
of topics on the show, But with regards to UFO
cases that you've covered, do you have one that you
feel is maybe the strongest, most compelling case that even
AJ maybe had a hard time debunking or maybe thinking
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it might have been credible.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The Pescagoula case is an interesting one, and I don't
I don't know if I could say that it turned
AJ around at all, but it's it seems that to
me that this is one of the more credible of
all cases because it's back in a day where internet
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and surveillance wasn't really really, the Internet wasn't there, surveillance
wasn't there. So these guys who had this experience together
were then in a police station talking to each other,
not realizing they're being recorded, and they're so genuine something
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happened to them. Now, if it wasn't UFOs, you could
speculate on how far back government projects were going on
and things like that. But something happened to these two.
So so that was a very interesting case. I feel
like that one was again one of the most credible. Secondly,
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we have cases that we haven't exactly covered yet that
I think are real credible, like Travis Walton Fire in
the Sky. The reason we haven't covered that yet is
because there's a movie out about it. There's so much info.
So at the WI Files we're typically trying to bring
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some of the cases that are more unknown I don't
want to say unknown, that's not the right word. We
like to bring stories to a wider audience than that
was getting to see it, and that's why we haven't
covered exactly some of those big ones, but we look
for ones that are slightly more less known and have
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a really interesting story. We did one called the Cisco
Grove incident, which was a really interesting one where this
guy who's a hunter is out in Cisco Cisco Grove.
I believe it's California where he gets separated from his group.
So he knows as a hunter he has to you know,
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sleep where he is before he could get back to
his group. So being smart, he gets himself up into
a tree to sleep, and while he's there, a UFO
comes down. In that case, we have an alien come out.
He's followed by a robot. He's there, they're smoking something,
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blowing smoke rings up at him. He's fighting them with
an arrow like Rambo. It's a really fun interesting story.
Now if it's a story, it could be a movie.
If it's true. It's so unbelievably incredible. And again it
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came off as a very credible story. So when we're
doing these type of stories, I don't think we look
at it as do we believe it or don't believe it?
We look at it as if does the storyteller believe
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his own story? Do they are they credible to themselves
that you know, something happened to them instead of, you know,
just spinning a yarn. Because science fiction is great, but
there's there's another place for science fiction hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, obviously Aj is more skeptical than you are.
After researching so many of these different cases, do you
think he's moved at all one direction or the other
over the duration of the show.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I do think so. And one of the ones
that originally I feel like I had a good amount
to do with moving him on was whether or not
the moon is hollow, because that's where we were with
the episode we came. However, we have pitch meetings in
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our production meetings when we're deciding what episodes to do.
You know, there's a million topics out there. So as
we go into one of these pitch meetings, the way
I'm pitching this episode to the team is the moon
was towed here. It was brought here by aliens. It's
a base there. There are bases on the other side
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of the Moon. Even NASA has has gone on, they've
done experiments with seismo. With the seismograph, it rang like
a bell for four hours, you know. So I'm throwing
all this stuff in, but I'm telling it as if
it's you know, the Death Star, you know, you know,
a close equivalent to that. So we do the episode,
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and you know a few things that come out of it.
Number one, Going into it, AG did not believe any
part of it, going through the all of the evidence,
especially the scientific data, he at least comes off with, Hey,
the moon is weird. Number one. Number two is most
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likely it is hollow. Does that mean it's like an
extremely hollow empty ball. No, that means it's cavernous. And
if it's cavernous, that's interesting as well. Also that the
soil on top is older than the soil on the bottom,
which doesn't make sense. There's uh, I don't want to
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say this, so oil, the material on top is different
than the material below. That's another weird anomaly that science
doesn't explain but is up there. So so again he
went into that one fully skeptical, and I think came
out of it going, you know what, I can't tell
you what's going on in the moon, because, dude, number one,
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the science says one thing that's really weird, and then
the stories are equally as unbelievable, So you throw them
together in a mix and that becomes a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Also, the moon, the fact that it lines up exactly
it's the right distance for the eclipse is on one
quarter Yep, yep, we got two minutes here. What about
you have you know you've been interested in these topics
for a long time. Has researching some of these these
topics and some of these different cases changed your belief
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or maybe you stumbled on something new that you wouldn't
have even thought about had you not been doing the show.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Interesting question. I'm not sure I know exactly what to
say that I stumbled upon new. I became a lot
more aware and interested in alien implants because we did
an episode on that, so we did a lot of
research on that, and at Contact in the Desert, I
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got to talk to Whitley Strieber so and he has
an alien implant. So it really has sparked an interest
for me in the multiple cases that have alien implants.
What I find so interesting about Whitley's story is because
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for me, it's actually been a little bit of a journey.
I got into UFOs and the alien topic specific because
of Communion and Whitley Strieber, or maybe you know, because
of Christopher walk and playing Whitley Streeber. What an amazing movie,
what so many amazing scenes in that him dancing around
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with the aliens. I love it so great. So when
I got to meet Whitley at Contact in the Desert,
I sat down with him for an hour or so
and talked to him, and I was so mesmerized by
his ongoing story after Communion.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
When we come back, we're going to ask Gino about
his thoughts on what he thinks the government may know
about UFOs and NHI. You're listening to Beyond Contact and
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Geogentilly about UFOs. Gino,
what about the idea that our government has recovered craft
and beings? Do you think that that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I do think that's true. I think that's one of
the things that is a driving force behind what we
are beginning to see us, an awakening within the government
and people on NHI. The reason I think that is
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I think that number one, there's some credibility to the
Roswell case that there was a down craft of some
kind that could have begun reverse engineering. You connect that
with Bob Lazarre, who is credible to me. Every time
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people have tried to discredit them. I feel like their
discredits are reaching more than they are correct or factual.
There's been a lot of a lot of people who
have come forward whistle blowers at this point talking about
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different craft. I mean, at this point, the instead of
us saying we have craft and reverse engineering, we're up
to the point where we're saying we have craft so
big we're building buildings around it, so that that's very
we're past acceptance. I think it's very interesting to see
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the advancements in government projects at for what we're allowed
to see at you know, Lockey Martin, Skunk Works and
the and the like. So you know, when we're talking
about very credible stories like the tic Tac incident, David Fraver,
I feel probably the most credible sighting of anything anomalous
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I feel like could be David Fraver's account. The reason
why is he's not someone who says I've seen a
million of these things, or you know, I'm seeing these
every day. He's seen one thing, he testifies about one thing.
He's willing to testify to Congress about it. He is
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an American hero. He's someone people should look up to.
In a very skilled and trained observer, So what he
saw with the tic TAC and what he was able
to convey about the movements of the tic TAC compared
to how his plane was moving and how quickly it
descended to the water. To me, I don't want to say.
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To me, I'll say, in speaking to the team at
the WI files, AJ, it feels strongly that that is
most likely government. The tictack is not an alien but
some kind of government you know technology. So how do
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we get to that government technology? Is it reverse engineering?
That that is seems more more plausible to me then
us going from not from no cars till the early
nineteen hundreds to one hundred years later we have a
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tic TAC, you know. So reverse engineering certainly makes a
lot of sense. It's plausible. There are a lot of
credible witnesses to it. David Grush, you know, has whistle
blown about reverse engineering programs, and to me, you know,
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he's one of the most credible whistleblowers there there is.
So yeah, So I think that where I land on
it personally is for sure there's a reverse engineering that
is what is driving technology. And again, if I was
to comment, I think that AJ is probably more on
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the reverse engineering side of things than anything else. However,
now we're talking about UFOs, Where where do UFOs come from?
So are we saying it's Martians or are we saying
it's from another star system. I think that I have
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brought aj over to the thought that we are talking
about ultraterrestrials rather than extra terrestrials. And they may have
originated somewhere else, but for them to be here, it's
easier to reconcile the physics and science for them to
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be here throughout a longer period of time that we
just didn't witness as much because we all didn't have
cell phones, we all didn't have communication with each other.
If a farmer in nineteen sixty sees something in the sky,
he's going to tell people. They're going to think he's crazy.
It's going to end there, you know. So now we're
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at a different point where things, I mean, we're oversharing
at this point. And me and you've had a conversation
previous to this that how do you believe anything at
this point? You know, it's hard to However, there's a
lot of info out there, so hopefully, and I do
think there are a lot of credible videos and credible
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witnesses out there. What are they seeing? They're seeing UFOs
by definition unknown UAP is, however you want to explain it.
Does that mean they're government or alien or ultra terrestrial?
It's hard to hard to say where where to land
on that.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you think this is a like a small black
budget cabal that knows this information or do you think
that much of our government knows about it?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's that's another good question. I don't I do Is
it a black cabal?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
On on?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What do they call those special access programs that are
you know, not on the books kind of a thing,
black programs?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
As Yeah, yeah, an agent disclosure we have we have
Uh I'm sorry, I'm uh. How put Off Off right, yeah, Okay,
to go back an agent disclosure. How put Off directly
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admits that that the reason why the government was using
these programs, these special programs, is because then they don't
have to disclose anything to anyone. There's no there's no
oversight there. He specifically says that I think that was
glazed over with the release of age of disclosure that
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I think is one of the most damning to the
government statements there is because it specifically says, this is
how we hit everything, this is this is how how
you know this, and this is how money disappears, you know,
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because it has to be funded to special programs. Now,
he didn't say that those special programs what they were
using the money for. But if there's no oversight, you know,
who knows what that money's going going towards?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I agree, uh, you know. He also said he doesn't
say it in age of disclosure, but there's a hell
put off quote that says there are two kinds of
people in this field. Those who know nothing about UFOs
and they are certain they're not real, and those who've
been studying the evidence and know that they are real.
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I think that's very telling, of.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Course, and I tend to believe how put off. I
don't feel like like I don't feel like he's telling
us enough, because he can't. But I think he's trying
to tell us enough that sets off, you know, sets
off ideas and thoughts that let let people go, you
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know what this is what's going on. This is for
sure what's going on. I would like there to be.
I wish UFOs and UAPs weren't political, because anyone in
the government should just say bring it all out. In fact,
like right now, we have a directive from the President
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to open up whatever information. It needs to be an
executive order. It needs to be a stronger, stronger than
a directive.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, it was already in that UAP bill that did pass,
the twenty pages that did pass. It's already in that bill.
So it is law.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we have Okay, So again I don't want to
sound political. What good is law if no one's enforcing it.
We have we have people speaking the Congress under oath,
which would make them traders if they're lying, I think,
or I'm not sure what the penalty of lying, but
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at least perfect under oath are saying we've recovered biologics.
So that statement enough should be what is the enforcement
you've recovered biologics? Where when how do we see them?
It's not destroyed? I mean that, and I mean, of
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course unless they gave it to NASA, and NASA seems
to destroy stuff. But if biologics exist and you have
someone whistle blowing to Congress about it, then we have
a chain of custody to follow that should allow us
to get to those biologics to be studied. Because the
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president said, turn over the info.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
When we come back, We're going to ask Geno about
other realms that the phenomenon may reside in as well.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on
Beyond Contact speaking with Gino. Gino, what about the idea
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that there are these different realms where other NHI entities
could reside, Like, we have stories throughout history, and we
have things like the d MT realm or even older
ideas about realms where like the gin lived or fairies
and elves. There seems to be a lot of overlap
between some of these old traditions in modern UFO or
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abduction stories. Even the afterlife realm seems to tie in somewhere.
What are your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, specifically, I feel that these type of realms are
important to the topic of NHI number one. Let's talk
about the d m T realm. I recently sat down
I had dinner with Danny Gohler, who discovered the DMT
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laser experiment. Yeah, so I was speaking to him about
an episode that I've been proposing that I'd like to
do on the WI files, and that is about the
NHI and shared experiences that people have while on DMT.
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Here are some of the shared experiences. One Danny Gohler's
laser experiment. It's very interesting with a low powered laser
on DMT, people are able to peer in and an
overwhelming amount of people are able to peer into this
laser and see a code, see hieroglyphic like symbols, and
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when they move their plane higher or lower, it looks
like they're seeing through the wall where the perspective is
changing higher to lower, like something exists beyond on that
and it's repeatable and happening to multiple people. Now not
one hundred percent of all people, but it is happening
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to an overwhelming amount of people. And then number two,
you have something called the waiting room. The waiting room
people talk about as if when they're getting ready or
after they do DMT, that they're in this room with
other entities, some humans, some not just entities, other entities,
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and it's something that's reported over and over on people
who are doing DMT. And then you have the third
shared experience, which becomes machine elves. That's usually how they're
described these entities that people typically see while doing DMT.
So does DMT allow your consciousness to traverse these different realms?
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I think that's what we're talking about. And I want
to go back to the waiting room because with the
waiting room it brings me to as I've been going
to a lot of conferences and things like that, and
I got to meet with doctor Diane Hennessy at Contact
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in the Desert. I sat down with her and I
talked to her about what she called the hill, which
is with her telepathic autistic subjects that she's studying and
working with, they report something similar to the waiting room,
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which is a shared experience among telepathic autistics. So it
seems like consciousness is working differently with autism. Now, we've
looked at autism as a disability, and I do see,
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of course, how it is a disability. However, throughout history,
evolution has created reasons for for for something to evolve,
and maybe autism is the evolution to telepathy and the
evolution to being able to traverse different realms. Now again,
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I don't think, I don't want to say it's an
evolution that has figured itself out and it's perfect, and
you know, like you know, we we got opposable thumbs,
which it was, you know, a great part of evolution
for humans. I'm not saying saying it's a perfect type
of evolution. I'm saying it's an interesting thing that we
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have more and more autistics at this point, and it
seems to be getting more and more. Is that because
of our diets, is it because of our environment, or
is it because of an evolutionary aspect that wants telepathy
to come out?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Interesting question? Uh, do you find it curious that if
the UFOs one to remain so clandestine, why do they
seem to be seen so frequently?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't know if they need to be clandestine. I
think that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
All right, And we're not land on the White House
lawn tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Because why are they here. I don't know if they're
here to interact with humans. We're ants are on the ground.
Humans are just walking around doing their own thing. They're not.
There's only a very few amount of people kneeling down
to interact with ants. So I don't know, all right,
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So we're talking about at all.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I believe in the jungle theory that we that they
are looking at us like ants. They don't care about
our hierarchy or who's president or what the White House is.
I don't. I think it's just how we look at
an anhel.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right. So we're seeing more and more of these things
in the sky. Why are they here? Are they? Are
there people or entities that are piloting them? Are they
on a mission? What is the mission? There has to
be a reason. They're not on vacation. And they're like,
if we're as humans going to study something, we're on
a mission. We have a goal. This is what we're
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trying to figure out. This is why we're studying this,
this group of animals, or this allergy or or whatever.
There has to be a goal for this nhi for
the reason for these things in the sky. One they
could be sharing this earth with us. And the reason
we don't see them is because we're three quarters water
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and things going in and out of water. You'll never
catch on your cell phone. If you've ever been on
a cruise, there are over a million boats in that
ocean with you, over a million boats. You look to
your left, you look to your right, you don't see anything.
You're not on the four or five highway, so a
million boats, you can't see anything. So you think that
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if there's not some kind of underwater craft that's a
quarter mile away from you, you'll never know. You would
never ever know. And if you're lucky enough to see
a light in the water, you're just gonna go, oh,
did I see a light in the water. It must
have been the moon reflecting, you know, I don't know
how it is, right, So if you want to hide
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or live somewhere, they could be down in our oceans.
And just like we have been interested in making submarines
to go into the ocean, they might be interested in
seeing what's out on top. Now they see what's out
on top. And again, why do they care what humanity
is doing? Does it affect them? Maybe only because of
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nuclear you know, nuclear bombs and nuclear you know leakage
into the oceans and things like that. So I do
think that that is a big possibility of why they're
more concerned with what's going on with these human slash
ants that are on the earth, because now we're starting
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to figure out how to ruin ruin everything for this earth,
and certainly atomic bombs and nuclear bombs would do that.
And who knows, maybe these things that have been here
learned a lesson by ruining their last place called Mars
or some other place that is no longer inhabitable. Certainly there.
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I'm not saying that the things that we're seeing are
exactly Martians, but there is some evidence that there was
nuclear explosions on Mars, specifically with what's in the soil.
There's nuclear glass. So is it possible? I think I
don't know if I would say possible. I don't want
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to say plausible.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
When we come back, we're going to ask Geno about
his show, The Why Files. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Context speaking with Geno Gentilly.
G I was somebody who actually stumbled onto the Wi
Files quite early on, as I'm always watching YouTube videos
about UFOs and aliens and the paranormal and all these
things that interest both of us. What immediately appealed to
me was that you guys presented the material in a
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balanced manner. A lot of shows do not. AJ will
lay out the case for a particular event or phenomenon,
and then he also points out why it maybe have
a more terrestrial explanation. That balanced approach attracted me, and
you know, as as we get those things to play
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out on this show, it's the same way we'd like
to have a balanced approach to stay right in the center.
Was this idea the concept of the beginning or did
it just happen to fall that way because you seem
so open minded about these things and he's so much
more pragmatic.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You know, I'd like to take any credit for it all,
but I can't. Aja is extremely smart, and with that
becomes you have a skeptical mind at a lot of things.
So naturally, when we're talking about mysteries, he and UFOs
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UAPs these are these are things that it's easy to
dismiss and be skeptical about. However, I feel like what
happened originally was, you know, the channels started out doing
science stories and things like that, and math stories, and
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it wasn't until we got to the mysterious type of
stories that aj really started doing that last chapter, which
was the more balanced of Hey, this we know is true,
this we know isn't true, and this you know, you
got to sort of decide for yourself. It is an
approach that no one else has ever taken. Now again,
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I have to give Aja one hundred percent of the
credit for that. However, to me, it feels just like
us growing up that I will come in with something
wild and he'll tell me why it's not that wild.
We grew up listening to Art Bell listening the Coast
to Coast. It was our favorite show. We used to
listen to it with our father when we were with him,
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always on the overnights coming home driving in from from
the Bronx after visiting, you know, the family. And then
also besides Coast to Coast and Art Bell, we used
to read a lot. My father was an avid reader
and he had a large library, and in there he
had so many books on urban legends that me and
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my brother really got interested in, where we would read
them and talk to him, to our dad, and you know,
it was a great part of our relationship talking about
these things. So I think a lot of that came
from that. Now, my dad loved these type of stories.
But my dad was a police officer. He was a
tough guy cop from New York City, worked forty second
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in Broadway Times Square, so he was used to people
who were fortune tellers who weren't really fortune tellers. Taking
money from people, really scamming people. However, he loved the
mysterious side of things and the interesting side of things.
And that's why again he loved the coast and brought
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us up on it because it allowed us to keep
our minds open but but also still be sort of grounded.
One thing Art Bell was really good at is letting
the person or the caller tell their entire story, even
if it was absolutely unbelievable, and sometimes obviously unbelievable, he
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would still he was very good at being respectful and
kind and still getting a good story out of it.
And uh so, I think AJ learned a lot a
lot from that, you know. Uh he certainly gives a
Coast to Coast and Art Beell a lot of credit
for how the WI Files really came it came came
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to be, and uh so, I think that's uh uh.
The important part of how we got to this format
was to be balanced, to be to really not lean
one way or the other, because the shows that do
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that are either loved by their fans and hated by
everyone else, or the exact opposite. The shows that lean
into the other side are hated by the believers and
loved by the non believes. We try and bring everyone
together and say, let's all talk about this, let's talk
about the story. Let's let's everyone listen to both sides
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and every detail that we could get, and you make
your own decision.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I agree, and I love that I live right in
the middle. Brother. You know, you guys also join me
in adding comedy, which is awesome, and that's also your
background as well. I think that that helps make things
more digestible for the viewer. You know, you have this
whole character, this heckelfish to heckle aj and you know
I don't need a fish. I have a plenty of
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heckling from just my staff. But do you think that
all of that makes it more relatable to the audience.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I do. I feel I feel like it's it's good
for number one, some levity because some of these stories
we do are very heavy. Yeah, if we're deep doing
a deep dive into MK Ultra, say it's a heavy
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conspiracy of the government that you know they're running LSD experiments,
things like that people are possibly getting murdered. You know,
you need some some you just need some levity, You
need a comic relief. And again, that's how we try
and be a little different than the other people telling
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stories out there, because stories like the ones that we
tell because it's it's hard to be so you know,
focused on the terribleness of what the story is. If
you add some jokes in, it breaks it up, it
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gives it gives the viewer a reason to love or
hate the show, because a lot of people either love
or hate hate the fish overwhelmingly love it. But you know,
there are some people that are that that don't, but
they're still watching. So there's a reason why they're watching
us as opposed to someone telling the same story of
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the topic that we're doing. I mean, we recently did
Project Anchor, which is about whether the Earth is going
to lose gravity for seven seconds, uh, you know in
I Believe August of you know, coming up, and you know,
it's a it's it's an apocalypse type of story, you know,
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and it's you know it so again you need some levity,
some jokes to it. But when it comes down to it,
is it a is it a true story? Is it
a hoax? Is it's an Internet hoax? It's it's not
gonna happen. No one has to worry about that, but
that allows us to tell a heavy story and still
make it light for the for the rest of the audience.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Hey brother, we're out of time, man, but thanks so
much for sharing. This was really fun. Always great to
see you. You guys can find Geno and Aj atthy
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Speaker 1 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Rona. Today we're
speaking with Geno Gentili. Gino's a researcher, writer, and the
executive producer of the YouTube series The y Files, where
they explore some of the most compelling mysteries of our time,
including UFOs, government secrecy, ancient civilizations, and various unexplained phenomenon.
GENO contributes to the show's deep dive investigations, which blends
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skepticism and open minded inquiry, which is right up our
alley here at Beyond Contact. As you all know, Welcome
my brother. Good to see you. What's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thank you for having me Ron. I'm really looking forward
to talking to you. I always that kind of brother.
I need that kind of intro. You need to follow
me everywhere I go. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know, you guys built this incredible thing WI Files
into this jugger or not in just five or six years,
you know, and I know you cover a wide spectrum
of topics on the show, But with regards to UFO
cases that you've covered, do you have one that you
feel is maybe the strongest, most compelling case that even
AJ maybe had a hard time debunking or maybe thinking
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it might have been credible.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The Pescagoula case is an interesting one, and I don't
I don't know if I could say that it turned
AJ around at all, but it's it seems that to
me that this is one of the more credible of
all cases because it's back in a day where internet
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and surveillance wasn't really really, the Internet wasn't there, surveillance
wasn't there. So these guys who had this experience together
were then in a police station talking to each other,
not realizing they're being recorded, and they're so genuine something
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happened to them. Now, if it wasn't UFOs, you could
speculate on how far back government projects were going on
and things like that. But something happened to these two.
So so that was a very interesting case. I feel
like that one was again one of the most credible. Secondly,
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we have cases that we haven't exactly covered yet that
I think are real credible, like Travis Walton Fire in
the Sky. The reason we haven't covered that yet is
because there's a movie out about it. There's so much info.
So at the WI Files we're typically trying to bring
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some of the cases that are more unknown I don't
want to say unknown, that's not the right word. We
like to bring stories to a wider audience than that
was getting to see it, and that's why we haven't
covered exactly some of those big ones, but we look
for ones that are slightly more less known and have
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a really interesting story. We did one called the Cisco
Grove incident, which was a really interesting one where this
guy who's a hunter is out in Cisco Cisco Grove.
I believe it's California where he gets separated from his group.
So he knows as a hunter he has to you know,
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sleep where he is before he could get back to
his group. So being smart, he gets himself up into
a tree to sleep, and while he's there, a UFO
comes down. In that case, we have an alien come out.
He's followed by a robot. He's there, they're smoking something,
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blowing smoke rings up at him. He's fighting them with
an arrow like Rambo. It's a really fun interesting story.
Now if it's a story, it could be a movie.
If it's true. It's so unbelievably incredible. And again it
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came off as a very credible story. So when we're
doing these type of stories, I don't think we look
at it as do we believe it or don't believe it?
We look at it as if does the storyteller believe
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his own story? Do they are they credible to themselves
that you know, something happened to them instead of, you know,
just spinning a yarn. Because science fiction is great, but
there's there's another place for science fiction hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, obviously Aj is more skeptical than you are.
After researching so many of these different cases, do you
think he's moved at all one direction or the other
over the duration of the show.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I do think so. And one of the ones
that originally I feel like I had a good amount
to do with moving him on was whether or not
the moon is hollow, because that's where we were with
the episode we came. However, we have pitch meetings in
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our production meetings when we're deciding what episodes to do.
You know, there's a million topics out there. So as
we go into one of these pitch meetings, the way
I'm pitching this episode to the team is the moon
was towed here. It was brought here by aliens. It's
a base there. There are bases on the other side
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of the Moon. Even NASA has has gone on, they've
done experiments with seismo. With the seismograph, it rang like
a bell for four hours, you know. So I'm throwing
all this stuff in, but I'm telling it as if
it's you know, the Death Star, you know, you know,
a close equivalent to that. So we do the episode,
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and you know a few things that come out of it.
Number one, Going into it, AG did not believe any
part of it, going through the all of the evidence,
especially the scientific data, he at least comes off with, Hey,
the moon is weird. Number one. Number two is most
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likely it is hollow. Does that mean it's like an
extremely hollow empty ball. No, that means it's cavernous. And
if it's cavernous, that's interesting as well. Also that the
soil on top is older than the soil on the bottom,
which doesn't make sense. There's uh, I don't want to
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say this, so oil, the material on top is different
than the material below. That's another weird anomaly that science
doesn't explain but is up there. So so again he
went into that one fully skeptical, and I think came
out of it going, you know what, I can't tell
you what's going on in the moon, because, dude, number one,
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the science says one thing that's really weird, and then
the stories are equally as unbelievable, So you throw them
together in a mix and that becomes a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Also, the moon, the fact that it lines up exactly
it's the right distance for the eclipse is on one
quarter Yep, yep, we got two minutes here. What about
you have you know you've been interested in these topics
for a long time. Has researching some of these these
topics and some of these different cases changed your belief
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or maybe you stumbled on something new that you wouldn't
have even thought about had you not been doing the show.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Interesting question. I'm not sure I know exactly what to
say that I stumbled upon new. I became a lot
more aware and interested in alien implants because we did
an episode on that, so we did a lot of
research on that, and at Contact in the Desert, I
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got to talk to Whitley Strieber so and he has
an alien implant. So it really has sparked an interest
for me in the multiple cases that have alien implants.
What I find so interesting about Whitley's story is because
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for me, it's actually been a little bit of a journey.
I got into UFOs and the alien topic specific because
of Communion and Whitley Strieber, or maybe you know, because
of Christopher walk and playing Whitley Streeber. What an amazing movie,
what so many amazing scenes in that him dancing around
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with the aliens. I love it so great. So when
I got to meet Whitley at Contact in the Desert,
I sat down with him for an hour or so
and talked to him, and I was so mesmerized by
his ongoing story after Communion.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
When we come back, we're going to ask Gino about
his thoughts on what he thinks the government may know
about UFOs and NHI. You're listening to Beyond Contact and
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
(10:52):
We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Geogentilly about UFOs. Gino,
what about the idea that our government has recovered craft
and beings? Do you think that that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I do think that's true. I think that's one of
the things that is a driving force behind what we
are beginning to see us, an awakening within the government
and people on NHI. The reason I think that is
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I think that number one, there's some credibility to the
Roswell case that there was a down craft of some
kind that could have begun reverse engineering. You connect that
with Bob Lazarre, who is credible to me. Every time
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people have tried to discredit them. I feel like their
discredits are reaching more than they are correct or factual.
There's been a lot of a lot of people who
have come forward whistle blowers at this point talking about
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different craft. I mean, at this point, the instead of
us saying we have craft and reverse engineering, we're up
to the point where we're saying we have craft so
big we're building buildings around it, so that that's very
we're past acceptance. I think it's very interesting to see
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the advancements in government projects at for what we're allowed
to see at you know, Lockey Martin, Skunk Works and
the and the like. So you know, when we're talking
about very credible stories like the tic Tac incident, David Fraver,
I feel probably the most credible sighting of anything anomalous
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I feel like could be David Fraver's account. The reason
why is he's not someone who says I've seen a
million of these things, or you know, I'm seeing these
every day. He's seen one thing, he testifies about one thing.
He's willing to testify to Congress about it. He is
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an American hero. He's someone people should look up to.
In a very skilled and trained observer, So what he
saw with the tic TAC and what he was able
to convey about the movements of the tic TAC compared
to how his plane was moving and how quickly it
descended to the water. To me, I don't want to say.
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To me, I'll say, in speaking to the team at
the WI files, AJ, it feels strongly that that is
most likely government. The tictack is not an alien but
some kind of government you know technology. So how do
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we get to that government technology? Is it reverse engineering?
That that is seems more more plausible to me then
us going from not from no cars till the early
nineteen hundreds to one hundred years later we have a
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tic TAC, you know. So reverse engineering certainly makes a
lot of sense. It's plausible. There are a lot of
credible witnesses to it. David Grush, you know, has whistle
blown about reverse engineering programs, and to me, you know,
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he's one of the most credible whistleblowers there there is.
So yeah, So I think that where I land on
it personally is for sure there's a reverse engineering that
is what is driving technology. And again, if I was
to comment, I think that AJ is probably more on
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the reverse engineering side of things than anything else. However,
now we're talking about UFOs, Where where do UFOs come from?
So are we saying it's Martians or are we saying
it's from another star system. I think that I have
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brought aj over to the thought that we are talking
about ultraterrestrials rather than extra terrestrials. And they may have
originated somewhere else, but for them to be here, it's
easier to reconcile the physics and science for them to
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be here throughout a longer period of time that we
just didn't witness as much because we all didn't have
cell phones, we all didn't have communication with each other.
If a farmer in nineteen sixty sees something in the sky,
he's going to tell people. They're going to think he's crazy.
It's going to end there, you know. So now we're
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at a different point where things, I mean, we're oversharing
at this point. And me and you've had a conversation
previous to this that how do you believe anything at
this point? You know, it's hard to However, there's a
lot of info out there, so hopefully, and I do
think there are a lot of credible videos and credible
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witnesses out there. What are they seeing? They're seeing UFOs
by definition unknown UAP is, however you want to explain it.
Does that mean they're government or alien or ultra terrestrial?
It's hard to hard to say where where to land
on that.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you think this is a like a small black
budget cabal that knows this information or do you think
that much of our government knows about it?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's that's another good question. I don't I do Is
it a black cabal?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
On on?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What do they call those special access programs that are
you know, not on the books kind of a thing,
black programs?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
As Yeah, yeah, an agent disclosure we have we have
Uh I'm sorry, I'm uh. How put Off Off right, yeah, Okay,
to go back an agent disclosure. How put Off directly
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admits that that the reason why the government was using
these programs, these special programs, is because then they don't
have to disclose anything to anyone. There's no there's no
oversight there. He specifically says that I think that was
glazed over with the release of age of disclosure that
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I think is one of the most damning to the
government statements there is because it specifically says, this is
how we hit everything, this is this is how how
you know this, and this is how money disappears, you know,
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because it has to be funded to special programs. Now,
he didn't say that those special programs what they were
using the money for. But if there's no oversight, you know,
who knows what that money's going going towards?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I agree, uh, you know. He also said he doesn't
say it in age of disclosure, but there's a hell
put off quote that says there are two kinds of
people in this field. Those who know nothing about UFOs
and they are certain they're not real, and those who've
been studying the evidence and know that they are real.
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I think that's very telling, of.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Course, and I tend to believe how put off. I
don't feel like like I don't feel like he's telling
us enough, because he can't. But I think he's trying
to tell us enough that sets off, you know, sets
off ideas and thoughts that let let people go, you
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know what this is what's going on. This is for
sure what's going on. I would like there to be.
I wish UFOs and UAPs weren't political, because anyone in
the government should just say bring it all out. In fact,
like right now, we have a directive from the President
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to open up whatever information. It needs to be an
executive order. It needs to be a stronger, stronger than
a directive.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, it was already in that UAP bill that did pass,
the twenty pages that did pass. It's already in that bill.
So it is law.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we have Okay, So again I don't want to
sound political. What good is law if no one's enforcing it.
We have we have people speaking the Congress under oath,
which would make them traders if they're lying, I think,
or I'm not sure what the penalty of lying, but
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at least perfect under oath are saying we've recovered biologics.
So that statement enough should be what is the enforcement
you've recovered biologics? Where when how do we see them?
It's not destroyed? I mean that, and I mean, of
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course unless they gave it to NASA, and NASA seems
to destroy stuff. But if biologics exist and you have
someone whistle blowing to Congress about it, then we have
a chain of custody to follow that should allow us
to get to those biologics to be studied. Because the
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president said, turn over the info.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
When we come back, We're going to ask Geno about
other realms that the phenomenon may reside in as well.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on
Beyond Contact speaking with Gino. Gino, what about the idea
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that there are these different realms where other NHI entities
could reside, Like, we have stories throughout history, and we
have things like the d MT realm or even older
ideas about realms where like the gin lived or fairies
and elves. There seems to be a lot of overlap
between some of these old traditions in modern UFO or
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abduction stories. Even the afterlife realm seems to tie in somewhere.
What are your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, specifically, I feel that these type of realms are
important to the topic of NHI number one. Let's talk
about the d m T realm. I recently sat down
I had dinner with Danny Gohler, who discovered the DMT
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laser experiment. Yeah, so I was speaking to him about
an episode that I've been proposing that I'd like to
do on the WI files, and that is about the
NHI and shared experiences that people have while on DMT.
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Here are some of the shared experiences. One Danny Gohler's
laser experiment. It's very interesting with a low powered laser
on DMT, people are able to peer in and an
overwhelming amount of people are able to peer into this
laser and see a code, see hieroglyphic like symbols, and
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when they move their plane higher or lower, it looks
like they're seeing through the wall where the perspective is
changing higher to lower, like something exists beyond on that
and it's repeatable and happening to multiple people. Now not
one hundred percent of all people, but it is happening
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to an overwhelming amount of people. And then number two,
you have something called the waiting room. The waiting room
people talk about as if when they're getting ready or
after they do DMT, that they're in this room with
other entities, some humans, some not just entities, other entities,
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and it's something that's reported over and over on people
who are doing DMT. And then you have the third
shared experience, which becomes machine elves. That's usually how they're
described these entities that people typically see while doing DMT.
So does DMT allow your consciousness to traverse these different realms?
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I think that's what we're talking about. And I want
to go back to the waiting room because with the
waiting room it brings me to as I've been going
to a lot of conferences and things like that, and
I got to meet with doctor Diane Hennessy at Contact
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in the Desert. I sat down with her and I
talked to her about what she called the hill, which
is with her telepathic autistic subjects that she's studying and
working with, they report something similar to the waiting room,
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which is a shared experience among telepathic autistics. So it
seems like consciousness is working differently with autism. Now, we've
looked at autism as a disability, and I do see,
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of course, how it is a disability. However, throughout history,
evolution has created reasons for for for something to evolve,
and maybe autism is the evolution to telepathy and the
evolution to being able to traverse different realms. Now again,
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I don't think, I don't want to say it's an
evolution that has figured itself out and it's perfect, and
you know, like you know, we we got opposable thumbs,
which it was, you know, a great part of evolution
for humans. I'm not saying saying it's a perfect type
of evolution. I'm saying it's an interesting thing that we
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have more and more autistics at this point, and it
seems to be getting more and more. Is that because
of our diets, is it because of our environment, or
is it because of an evolutionary aspect that wants telepathy
to come out?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Interesting question? Uh, do you find it curious that if
the UFOs one to remain so clandestine, why do they
seem to be seen so frequently?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I don't know if they need to be clandestine. I
think that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
All right, And we're not land on the White House
lawn tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Because why are they here. I don't know if they're
here to interact with humans. We're ants are on the ground.
Humans are just walking around doing their own thing. They're not.
There's only a very few amount of people kneeling down
to interact with ants. So I don't know, all right,
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So we're talking about at all.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I believe in the jungle theory that we that they
are looking at us like ants. They don't care about
our hierarchy or who's president or what the White House is.
I don't. I think it's just how we look at
an anhel.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right. So we're seeing more and more of these things
in the sky. Why are they here? Are they? Are
there people or entities that are piloting them? Are they
on a mission? What is the mission? There has to
be a reason. They're not on vacation. And they're like,
if we're as humans going to study something, we're on
a mission. We have a goal. This is what we're
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trying to figure out. This is why we're studying this,
this group of animals, or this allergy or or whatever.
There has to be a goal for this nhi for
the reason for these things in the sky. One they
could be sharing this earth with us. And the reason
we don't see them is because we're three quarters water
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and things going in and out of water. You'll never
catch on your cell phone. If you've ever been on
a cruise, there are over a million boats in that
ocean with you, over a million boats. You look to
your left, you look to your right, you don't see anything.
You're not on the four or five highway, so a
million boats, you can't see anything. So you think that
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if there's not some kind of underwater craft that's a
quarter mile away from you, you'll never know. You would
never ever know. And if you're lucky enough to see
a light in the water, you're just gonna go, oh,
did I see a light in the water. It must
have been the moon reflecting, you know, I don't know
how it is, right, So if you want to hide
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or live somewhere, they could be down in our oceans.
And just like we have been interested in making submarines
to go into the ocean, they might be interested in
seeing what's out on top. Now they see what's out
on top. And again, why do they care what humanity
is doing? Does it affect them? Maybe only because of
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nuclear you know, nuclear bombs and nuclear you know leakage
into the oceans and things like that. So I do
think that that is a big possibility of why they're
more concerned with what's going on with these human slash
ants that are on the earth, because now we're starting
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to figure out how to ruin ruin everything for this earth,
and certainly atomic bombs and nuclear bombs would do that.
And who knows, maybe these things that have been here
learned a lesson by ruining their last place called Mars
or some other place that is no longer inhabitable. Certainly there.
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I'm not saying that the things that we're seeing are
exactly Martians, but there is some evidence that there was
nuclear explosions on Mars, specifically with what's in the soil.
There's nuclear glass. So is it possible? I think I
don't know if I would say possible. I don't want
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to say plausible.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
When we come back, we're going to ask Geno about
his show, The Why Files. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Context speaking with Geno Gentilly.
G I was somebody who actually stumbled onto the Wi
Files quite early on, as I'm always watching YouTube videos
about UFOs and aliens and the paranormal and all these
things that interest both of us. What immediately appealed to
me was that you guys presented the material in a
(31:40):
balanced manner. A lot of shows do not. AJ will
lay out the case for a particular event or phenomenon,
and then he also points out why it maybe have
a more terrestrial explanation. That balanced approach attracted me, and
you know, as as we get those things to play
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out on this show, it's the same way we'd like
to have a balanced approach to stay right in the center.
Was this idea the concept of the beginning or did
it just happen to fall that way because you seem
so open minded about these things and he's so much
more pragmatic.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You know, I'd like to take any credit for it all,
but I can't. Aja is extremely smart, and with that
becomes you have a skeptical mind at a lot of things.
So naturally, when we're talking about mysteries, he and UFOs
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UAPs these are these are things that it's easy to
dismiss and be skeptical about. However, I feel like what
happened originally was, you know, the channels started out doing
science stories and things like that, and math stories, and
(33:06):
it wasn't until we got to the mysterious type of
stories that aj really started doing that last chapter, which
was the more balanced of Hey, this we know is true,
this we know isn't true, and this you know, you
got to sort of decide for yourself. It is an
approach that no one else has ever taken. Now again,
(33:28):
I have to give Aja one hundred percent of the
credit for that. However, to me, it feels just like
us growing up that I will come in with something
wild and he'll tell me why it's not that wild.
We grew up listening to Art Bell listening the Coast
to Coast. It was our favorite show. We used to
listen to it with our father when we were with him,
(33:51):
always on the overnights coming home driving in from from
the Bronx after visiting, you know, the family. And then
also besides Coast to Coast and Art Bell, we used
to read a lot. My father was an avid reader
and he had a large library, and in there he
had so many books on urban legends that me and
(34:15):
my brother really got interested in, where we would read
them and talk to him, to our dad, and you know,
it was a great part of our relationship talking about
these things. So I think a lot of that came
from that. Now, my dad loved these type of stories.
But my dad was a police officer. He was a
tough guy cop from New York City, worked forty second
(34:39):
in Broadway Times Square, so he was used to people
who were fortune tellers who weren't really fortune tellers. Taking
money from people, really scamming people. However, he loved the
mysterious side of things and the interesting side of things.
And that's why again he loved the coast and brought
(35:00):
us up on it because it allowed us to keep
our minds open but but also still be sort of grounded.
One thing Art Bell was really good at is letting
the person or the caller tell their entire story, even
if it was absolutely unbelievable, and sometimes obviously unbelievable, he
(35:25):
would still he was very good at being respectful and
kind and still getting a good story out of it.
And uh so, I think AJ learned a lot a
lot from that, you know. Uh he certainly gives a
Coast to Coast and Art Beell a lot of credit
for how the WI Files really came it came came
(35:48):
to be, and uh so, I think that's uh uh.
The important part of how we got to this format
was to be balanced, to be to really not lean
one way or the other, because the shows that do
(36:12):
that are either loved by their fans and hated by
everyone else, or the exact opposite. The shows that lean
into the other side are hated by the believers and
loved by the non believes. We try and bring everyone
together and say, let's all talk about this, let's talk
about the story. Let's let's everyone listen to both sides
(36:34):
and every detail that we could get, and you make
your own decision.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I agree, and I love that I live right in
the middle. Brother. You know, you guys also join me
in adding comedy, which is awesome, and that's also your
background as well. I think that that helps make things
more digestible for the viewer. You know, you have this
whole character, this heckelfish to heckle aj and you know
I don't need a fish. I have a plenty of
(37:00):
heckling from just my staff. But do you think that
all of that makes it more relatable to the audience.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I do. I feel I feel like it's it's good
for number one, some levity because some of these stories
we do are very heavy. Yeah, if we're deep doing
a deep dive into MK Ultra, say it's a heavy
(37:30):
conspiracy of the government that you know they're running LSD experiments,
things like that people are possibly getting murdered. You know,
you need some some you just need some levity, You
need a comic relief. And again, that's how we try
and be a little different than the other people telling
(37:51):
stories out there, because stories like the ones that we
tell because it's it's hard to be so you know,
focused on the terribleness of what the story is. If
you add some jokes in, it breaks it up, it
(38:14):
gives it gives the viewer a reason to love or
hate the show, because a lot of people either love
or hate hate the fish overwhelmingly love it. But you know,
there are some people that are that that don't, but
they're still watching. So there's a reason why they're watching
us as opposed to someone telling the same story of
(38:39):
the topic that we're doing. I mean, we recently did
Project Anchor, which is about whether the Earth is going
to lose gravity for seven seconds, uh, you know in
I Believe August of you know, coming up, and you know,
it's a it's it's an apocalypse type of story, you know,
(39:02):
and it's you know it so again you need some levity,
some jokes to it. But when it comes down to it,
is it a is it a true story? Is it
a hoax? Is it's an Internet hoax? It's it's not
gonna happen. No one has to worry about that, but
that allows us to tell a heavy story and still
make it light for the for the rest of the audience.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Hey brother, we're out of time, man, but thanks so
much for sharing. This was really fun. Always great to
see you. You guys can find Geno and Aj atthy
files dot com. They're also on YouTube. Of course. You
can find me on Twitter and Instagram at c I
T D Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out
contact intheeesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as
(39:46):
we explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio on
Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks for listening
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