May 8, 2026 • 41 mins
Captain Ron sits down with Sarah Gamm, former member of the Department of Defense’s UAP Task Force. Sara offers a rare, firsthand perspective on how the phenomenon is approached at the highest levels.
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with Sarah gamb Sarah has a Bachelor of
Science in Physics and Astrophysics, Masters of Science Encountering Weapons
of Mass Destruction from Missouri State University. Most of her
career has been in intelligence community, focused on satellite imagery
She was also a member of the UAP Task Force,
which was a US Department of Defense led intelligence group
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created to investigate and analyze unidentified aerial objects. This later
basically transitioned into the twenty twenty two into what we
now know as ARROW. Hi, Sarah, welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Hello, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Absolutely thrilled to have you. We're really glad you're coming here,
and you're coming to contact. We're excited about that as well.
So just to be clear here, when you were on
the UAP Task Force and you were analyzing these videos
and materials and checking various data points as a means
to detect, collect and analyze identified aerial phenomenon, you guys
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weren't seeking out aliens, right, You were rather trying to
determine whether these objects posed a threat to the US
military or assessed if they could be a foreign adversary, technology,
sensor errors, natural phenomenon, that kind of thing, right.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I supported a task force from a very small corner
of it at nnga National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, So I
stuck to videos and imagery like you mentioned, and we
assess things if they were unidentified or not, and if
they were a threat to US and our allies.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, you know, despite that being their objective. When they
did come out with their big report in June of
twenty one, their preliminary report to Congress actually said they
reviewed one hundred and forty four military encounters and only
found one that was explainable. The rest were deemed probably explainable,
but there was not enough data. But tell us in
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the real world practice, was it your experience that there
were cases you guys could not agree on a consensus
for what they were. Would those be the cases that
got deemed identify unidentified?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Yes, yes, there were definitely some that people were divided on.
So there were some that were definitely unidentified, and then
some that we were split fifty to fifty. Some people agreed,
some didn't, and so we would still deem them as
unidentified because if there's still you know, scientific numbers. Wise,
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if there's still you know, a small percentage or a
small number that don't agree, then it's you can't identify it,
right And then yeah, the report, unfortunately, I don't think
it had accurate numbers. It was very sad to see
what was provided, especially to the public.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
There was there's.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Definitely more that we found, at least in my short
time on the task force that was unidentified. And of
course even later in years like as you know, science
evolves and you get more data, you update your files.
So a couple of years later we actually when I
wasn't officially on the task force anymore, but I got
to help provide information to prior members that something we
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deemed unidentified was actually a weather balloon. So you know,
you update your files. But for the most part, there
were definitely more than just one.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, it makes sense. You know, blue Book had over
seven hundred that they never identified, but nobody ever talks
about that either. When you guys were typically divided, like
you said, sometimes people didn't all agree on what it was.
Was that the norm or was there usually a consensus
like oh yeah, yeah, this is a balloon, or this
is an artifact or whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
There was usually a consensus.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Surprisingly usually yeah, you would say that's definitely parallax, or
we need more data. So it's inconclusive because of the
poor quality data. It's too big of pixels, right, so
in the flear the thermal imagery or videos that you get,
the pixel values are just too large, so you cannot
identify what it really is. So you have inconclusive as well,
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which is typically unidentified, but inconclusive is just we need
more data for this. So yes, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I know you guys were just looking at the data.
But were there cases where you guys could look at
something and you watch one of these videos and it
felt to you like, you know what, this is anomalous
enough to not only be unexplainable, but to be so
far outside the norm that this might actually be an Hi.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Oh absolutely there was.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
What I learned though, because the science, the scientists that
I am, I can't take anything for face value. So
when you look at something for the first time, it
might look crazy that you start really watching the video
or if it's an image, did you you dive into
you know, the specialists in the area that the image
was taken over and learned that it isn't something unidentified
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or crazy. But yeah, there are definitely a few times
where you just look at something and you know immediately
that that is not from here, that's not from an adversary,
that this is this is somewhere intertellar.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That is incredible. Do you remember the very first time
you saw one of these where you felt, oh shit,
this is not ours.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Oh absolutely, of course I remember what was that like
it was you know, forgot to breathe for a few seconds,
and then like, okay, am I crazy right now? Like
we can't figure out what this is. That it was
like I talk about a flying brain and it has
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a plasma around it, and it morphed and changed, and
you know the five observables, like one of them is maneuverability,
so it's stops and pivots and change direction, a lot
of g force that we wouldn't be able to sustain
as a human, and that happened with it. And so
you know that was you know, I would pause or
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the video or whatever whatever I was looking at and
rewind it or you know, dive into the metadata, and
I would have my coworker that sat beside me was
very scientific brain oriented as well, like more of a
nerd than me, and I would have him look at it.
He's like, yeah, that looks crazy. I don't know what
that is. And it was pretty incredible. So I definitely
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remember the first time. And then even so with that
specific instance, I had like a connection to an energy
to it as well, and I just kind of like
waved to low to my monitor for some silly reason,
like didn't even realize what I was doing. So that
was also a weird moment to look back gone of
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this connection. And of course, now fast forward that was
gosh in twenty nineteen, so fast forward a few years
and knowing about this energetic connection that happens and the
things that have been discovered since then. So it's been
a pretty cool journey.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yeah, no doubt about it. There's certainly a psionic connection
that's been coming out more and more. We keep hearing that,
and yeah, it is hilarious. I catch myself saying thank
you to like chet GPT and I'm like, what am
I doing? That seems so silly? Why am I and soing? Please?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Hey, hey, sirih what time is it? I'm like, oh,
thank you, Oh my gosh, she's telling me what time
it is. I didn't mean it exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Now couldn't these things? I understand the human thing couldn't
withstand those turns, but couldn't that be an unmanned craft?
I mean, of course it could be.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Right, that's why the task force members are there to
investigate and why we were such a diverse team, and
it was volunteers as well. So you weren't you know,
being upset that you had this project you were working on.
You were doing it because you wanted to. So yes,
there was definitely those times.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't know, Yeah, and it could be you know,
of course technology that you're just not familiar with. Isn't
that possible as well? That's just you know, one of
these secret projects or whatever.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
So that's exactly again why we had a diverse team
on the task force. We would reach out to the
expert in the area. So I'm just going to randomly
pick China, So it was you know, there's analysts over
different parts of China that specialize in specific places, and
so we would reach out to those analysts and say, hey,
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is this anomalist in this area? Do you know of
I'm looking at my iPods like, oh, we found you know,
this iPod manufacturer. Is this normal? And so they would
say yes or no. They would also dive in and
maybe ask all their counterparts and other agencies in the
IC and so yeah, so there was a very thorough
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investigation that we would do. We would even reach out
to camera operators, so if it was an MQ nine,
we would talk to the people that were on console
that night that witnessed it with their eyeballs and had
to track it themselves. So we would even investigate camera parts,
but we also looked at unclassified data as well, so
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we would have to reach out to those people too.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's interesting how sometimes our ic differently than our camera does.
That's also very interesting. When we come back, we're going
to ask Sarah if what she saw in these videos
was what convinced her that at some of these objects
were NHI design craft and that we are not alone.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Sarah gam. Sarah, just professionally
in your work, was what you saw in these videos
or data that is that what convinced you that there
may be an NHI design craft and therefore we're not
alone on this planet.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
No, I knew we weren't alone before that. So in
my astrophysics and physics undergrad so I say both because
on paper it's physics, but in reality it was astrophysics
for legal reasons for university, and so in some of
those classes, I just knew I would tell people, you know,
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why would we be selfish enough to think that an
infinite amount of space were it? And I was always
a huge X Files fan growing up, and I always
had Molder on one shoulder and Scully on the other,
always believing that then the science hat would be put on,
so I always knew and then seeing it, and you know,
especially in classified data, that I mean zeroed out in
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my mind. Some of the things that you know came
on my workstation is not from Earth, It's not terrestrial.
I'd say seeing some of what I have now is
just a little bit more validation of what my twelve
year old self already knew.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
There you go, was the atmosphere you worked in? There?
Were they quick to shut down any thoughts or speculations
of NHI as being behind these anomalies? Or was it
an acceptable thing or maybe even obvious to speculate this.
I know Nick Pope once told me that at the
Ministry of Defense they would just point up when it
wasn't one of theirs. Did you guys have something.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
By the way that, oh yeah, still very fresh that
when he Since he passed away, I surprisingly never got.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Much push back like that.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I you know, sometimes it took multiple emails to ask
people like, you know, it's going to take two seconds,
just take take a peek at this please and let
me know if you think it X y Z. And
sometimes folks just didn't have time. But when I, you know,
my brief time, I was officially supporting the task force
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for less than a year before I moved on to
another position, I.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Never really had pushback. I felt very lucky.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Do you know the people in the group have the
same sense as you did? Did? They kind of go
along like, yeah, that's clearly something else.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We actually became pretty much like a family, the core people,
and there were two separate groups that I was a
part of. There was like this collaborative space and then
the task Force, and some of it kind of overlapped
and intertwined because there were task Force people in the
collaborative collaborative space. So this collaborative uh, we'll call it
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a sharepoints sight. So this space, a lot of us
became really good friends, and I'm still very good friends.
I called them family members today we still talk. So,
of course we are divided because we're all humans and
we all have a different background, But for the most part,
we would usually end up agreeing together of something we
just didn't know what the heck it was.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I have heard, you know, publicly and privately, people suggesting
that some of these videos that we've seen, even the
Navy ones that were people are saying that that could
be our technology, not off world at all. Do you
think it's possible that all of these could just be
secret tech from somewhere.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'm going to answer that in two parts. Yes, plausible too.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
I can't talk too much about that, Okay, were there
people higher up with you who may have said, oh, like,
did you ever get the feeling like I wondered if
somebody there would be like, oh, don't worry about that one,
that's that's one of ours, Like maybe they knew more
about certain tech that you guys didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Oh. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I was never read in compartmented programs or special access
programs at that time, So yes, absolutely. And once in
a while there was there were other individuals that got
too close to the flame and the candle and we're
told to back off. I thankfully somehow never got that
close to something and wasn't threatened. But I know multiple
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people that were, and they backed off very quickly. They
didn't wait for, you know, a second time to be
approached and didn't want to rest their family. So yes,
there are definitely people that had that instance that you
asked about.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, I wondered if they would be would
go along with you guys and be like, oh, yeah,
that's clearly something I've never heard of her seeing, or
if there were things where they felt, well, you know
what we you know, we know what that is.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Well.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And remember I also saw like a fraction of the
data too, so it was only on the task force,
especially for a small amount of time, which I guess
it didn't exist for too long either. But and so
what was sent to me might have been sent to
somebody else. But I also still didn't see everything that
was out there, and that was okay with me. Like
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I was happy to be on the team, and I
was very happy to be on the team.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I said, Still, what an amazing opportunity. I mean, my god. Yeah,
I wondered if you guys took a deep dive into
these videos. You know, SCU, the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies,
they do some serious dives on some of these videos.
I've seen like three hundred page documents of analysis that
they've done on some of these videos. Was your analysis
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much more limited, like you just determined this isn't a
threat and move on? Or did you do some hardcore
deep analyzing of some of them.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
That depends what it was.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
So some of them were super simple to say that's
definitely trash or birds migrating migration patterns can look pretty crazy,
I found out. And you learn a lot about birds
and places on Earth. And once in a while, we
would have like years worth of research. We would look
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up so much data, talk to people, look up historical data,
like literally years worth of research that would be done,
and you know, a more compact timeframe, and sometimes reports
would be long.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And what is long? That's that's subjective.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
It's not going to be three hundred pages because we're
people are working in the icy and it's not our
full time job. We're only allowed to work on this,
you know. I think I was told twenty or fifteen
to twenty percent of the time of every week, so
you were also limited from that aspect. So it wasn't long.
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So to me, a long report when I worked at
NGA would have been to two PDF pages and like normal,
like you know, twelve point font So nothing is like
overly large unless you got into like more technical reports,
which I was a part of a few times when
I did mozzle dam and a rock support, So we
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had very technical data we were working with, and so
we had this huge report that we put out to
explain what it is and the background of the data
and and just very very detailed to back up what
people were seeing. We were making big claims about the
dam and potential breaching. So sometimes there were longer reports,
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but for me and what I was doing, there just weren't.
There were shorter ones. So it's a really long answer
for yes and no.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And no worries. I appreciate you expounding on that. Did
you find patterns in these anomalies, like would the same
sort of activity come up time and time again that
would point to whatever this is, it's probably the same
as that one we saw four months ago or something.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, I think there were now in hindsight, I think
there were patterns because you know, people would say there's
a lot of reports on over nuclear sites. Well, we
also have more sensors and more things looking and monitoring
at our nuclear sites, So what about you know, I
grew up on a farm in Missouri, Like what about
my dad and the farm, Like if we had all
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those sensors at these nuclear sites on the farm, we
probably would see something that way too. So yes, there
were patterns, but I also think a little bit of
the data is biased because of the sensors in these areas.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
That is a great point that I've never thought of.
That's true that they're looking for that stuff because they
want to protect those areas. Maybe that is why more
stuff shows up there. That's fascinating. Were there other sorts
of things that were hotspots or hot things that you
know of.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I mean the nuclear sides.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I'd see honestly war time places too, where there's activity.
But also again that's where we're looking up already. We're
watching the guys for artillery coming in and so and
more and more people are looking up right now, So
current day and not talking about Task Force days. So
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current day, I think it's spreading globally everywhere. But my
task Force days was of course, like military bases and
you know, the Virginia capes and in places where folks
are already looking up and there's a lot of military
exercises happening. So I think now it's spreading around because
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you know, the stigma is starting to decrease and folks
are looking up.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Well, come back. We're gonna ask Sarah about her thoughts
about Congressman timber Shat's recent claims that if Americans saw
the alien reports that he was shown, this country would
have come unglued and you'd be up all night long.
Very interesting. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Sarah gamb Sarah,
did you see that recent thing where timbershed came out
and said that if Americans saw the alien reports I
was shown, this country would come on glued and you'd
be up all night long. What do you think, Congressman?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
I'm happy he knows probably more than I do.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Now. I got so happy.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I hope the public does see a fraction of what
he got to absolutely.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know, in the James Fox film The Pro you
were in there and you said, there's a lot more
data out there, a fraction of which is something unexplainable,
exhibiting physics that's beyond our realm, something that we don't
know what it is, is that still where you sit
or has things changed over the last so many years.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Definitely still where I said.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
We've had decades, in decades worth of data that we've
hoarded and kept secret, and I got to see a
fraction of that fraction. So yeah, I definitely still stand
by that.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
You know, it's tough for the public because we have
such limited information and it's just piecemealed here and there.
And I think you've said that some of these videos
that have been released to the public only show like
five percent or a small fraction of the picture, so
we're not really getting the full story, and this leads
things to being misrepresented and mischaracterized. What do you think
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about that?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I still stand by that. I get frustrated more and
more when classified data is illegally released and provided there
is a legal way to do it, and having a
clearance is an honor, and it's also a burden because
you know, I could say the wrong thing and go
to jail or you know, it's but it is an
honor and a privilege, and for people to abuse that
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really frustrates me, and to abuse hard work that was
done on some of these videos that have been illegally
provided is gutting and you know, and especially since they
only provide a snapshot. And like I said earlier, some
things look crazy when you first observe and see them,
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and when you really dive into the data, they're not
that crazy at all. It's it's burns migrating or fishing
boats in a very weird pattern, and it's not crazy
at all. So it is heartbreaking to watch somebody, for
whatever reason that I will never understand, illegally provide something
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to the media that isn't the whole story.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, you can imagine how if you just crop a video,
there could be something just offscreen that explains the whole thing,
a guy standing there with the wire or whatever, or
the whole video. Anything that's not the full picture obviously
is not telling you the full story. So that could
really lead to some problems. It's probably making things even
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worse for people that are trying to get to the bottom.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Absolutely, I've had conversations with representative Burleson about what is
provided isn't sometimes. I truly this is Sarah Gham's opinion
that I don't think it's provided of good face. I
don't think it's provided to help I think it might
have malicious intent because sometimes some of these videos are
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very much quickly analyzed and debumped is not UAPs, and
what's provided and stated by the media is opposite, and
so I take it. You know, sometimes it's intentionally planted
to throw people off.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We have the media doing that, and then we have
do you have some thoughts on the Pentagon still saying
there's absolutely no evidence of anything et visitation wise? Does
that sort of feel not fair to all the work
you guys did.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Could I'm sorry I almost interrupted you, but I hope
everyone out there could feel my eyes roll, my heavy
eye roll when you asked that. It is so frustrating.
And I also now things that I've learned over time.
I understand why they might have buried this is because
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of a lot of the terrible stuff that has been
done to keep things buried in secret. So they're going
to keep trying to do do it and do it,
and the public's rising, you know, more voices are coming out,
more people are looking up, more people are buying sensors
to record the data, and this is going to overpower
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them and they're going to have to have some sort
of backpedaling going on. And a massive amount of apologies.
I think it is very sad that the Pentagon is
still saying no, no, no, no no, like the saying
anything look over there, don't look over here. But it'll
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I truly think one day, hopefully soon. I'm an optimist
that the public's going to overpower that Pentagon voice.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
So you feel clearly that that part of the reason
this hasn't been released to the public is because we
started with a lie and a cover up, and they
just it just kept building upon itself. Kind of a thing,
it seems, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Oh absolutely, And think about so think about you know,
when the cover ups, at least in the US started roswell,
the time of the word I'm trying to talk fast
because I know we're limited. So the the time of
life that that was happening, you know, World War Two
just recently ended, and these young troops are coming home
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from all this tragedy and everything. I can't imagine what
they witnessed and what they experienced. And then we have
this alien these alien bodies in this crash, and of
course you're going to cover itny, then you don't. You
don't want to spread this, you don't want adversaries getting
this now after this war, so I think, you know,
I agree to cover it up at that time, I
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don't agree much sense because of what's done and you know, unfortunately,
you know, un a living people and murdering is what
the government has done, letting our soldiers die in a
lot of pain because they don't want to acknowledge the
cancer they got was from.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
A crash recovery.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You mentioned, you know, having your clearance and everything. Do
you find it very difficult to know things that you
can't talk about publicly?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
As hard every day it is. Yes, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Changed the public is I was going to say changed
on my wrist, but it's changed all over the body.
It's not even the risk. You're very confined. The public
is upset with secrets that we keep, and I'm upset
by it too. But I don't want to go to jail.
And I love my career. I love serving my country.
I've never been active duty, but I have been able
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to deploy to the Middle East, especially during ISIS time
when the Caliphate was active, and I have been able
to do so much to help protect the US and
our allies.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
That I get so frustrated with.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Having to tell people when you like you just asked
a really good question earlier and I can't answer it,
and it was a good question, and I hate responding
all goods.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yes, yes they are.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It is a burden and chatin's all over that.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I sometimes wish I didn't have, but I'm grateful for
it because I've been able to do so much. I mean,
behind me on the wall isn't a word I got
from helping the Osama bin Laden Mission.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And how cool is that? How grateful? And what an
amazing career.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Good for you? That's awesome. What do you think the
biggest misconception that the public has in general about government
knowledge about this topic.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
I think people's misconceptions and perceptions of what the government
knows is mostly driven by incorrect media sources and the
divided community, you know, the UAP community. And I'm going
to say this, this isn't my words. A very good
end of mine said this to me at one point
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during this journey of mine, Luella Zondo and said, the
UAP community sometimes eats itself alive, and that happens in cycles.
So it's hard to truly answer that because the community
itself doesn't believe each other, just like you know, saying
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I want a video, I want a video of something
solid and concrete. And when Jake Barber was so brave
and came forward and provided that egg video, they got
the video and no one believed it. No, I want
better data. So I think it's the stigma that the
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government put out so many decades ago will always live
and everybody will have this misconception no matter what.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, that's clearly still lingering. When we come back, we're
going to talk to you, Sarah more about your thoughts
about why the government hasn't released this latest batch of
videos that Representative Luna, who chairs the Task Force on
the Declassification of Federal Secrets, has called for. That was
supposed to just come out the other day and it
never did, so we'll ask you about that. On the
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just had a deadline pass in mid April here where
they were supposed to release these forty six videos that
were requested by Anna Poluna. Excuse me, Anna Paulina Luna,
How does this stuff happen?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yes, I don't know at this point. You know, I
already anticipated nothing happening, especially when you know when I
was on the task Force and then the task Force
was disbanded and became our Aero was born after that,
there was so much inconsistencies in data that Aero said
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that they had and didn't have, And I made sure
to talk to somebody that they had access to our
database that we used to use, and they did that
they would deny a lot of information. So it really
didn't surprise me that nothing's been out yet, And it
is so frustrating and so unfortunate because I know, I'll
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use Intel community words with high probability and high confidence
that there is data out there that can be downgraded
to unclassified level that would not provide any input on
you know, sensor data where we're looking or anything like
that that I know, and I wouldn't say that, and
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it would be something that would put our soldiers in
harm's way or knowledge that would give the adversary of
our sensor quality that we have our technology. There's not
any of them, Like, there's data out there that could
be downgraded and released and I will keep hoping that
one day it will be.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'm hoping too. I think all of us are on
that team. You know, Luna seems hell bent. She came
out again and just today said, so, whoever's trying to
be cute at the Pentagon is about to get rolled
because it's not up to them. Pete Hegseth would not
undermine the president. And this stuff has been ordered for release,
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so we will be getting those file whether they want
to agree with us or not. So the good news,
she's at least being a champion for this cause and
going after it very hard, it seems.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, and inaggressive and a woman too, like yay, we
need more women in this space, and I think somebody
who hopefully we'll be driving more women to come out
and step up and talk and you know, straight in
the back and straighten the crown and keep going.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I think it's great.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I have only been able to briefly meet her once,
and I am very proud to be behind her.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, me too. I think she's doing an absolutely great job.
I'm surprised how many Congress people have really taken this
issue to heart and are really championing it, which is
something we've never seen ever, so hopefully we'll get some
progress from that. Let me ask you this, if they
did release some of these videos, you know, or more
information that was clearly pointing to the existence of another intelligence,
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how do you think the world would react to that.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
I think it'll be the typical divided or people won't
believe it and it'll be fake news. And then I
think there's going to be a group of people that
just won't care because they have bills to pay, they
need food on the table, and I mean that's what
happens everywhere, right like there's there's a higher priority in
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their life and that's food and a roof. And then
I I truly think there'll be the chaos and a
lot of you know, markets in the economy will we'll
fluctuate things, will say fluctuate as in a sarcastic way,
So it'll be a bit of chaos, chaotic happening. But
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then I think of so I'm from the Zuri where
we have a lot of tornadoes, and I think of
it like a tornado. There's there's the storm coming in
and chaos, and you know, you either go hide in
your basement or go out and watch the storm.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
I was. I was the latter.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
I always went out to watch it until you couldn't anymore.
And and then there's a cleanup after the storm, and
everybody has to come together to rebuild, and you find
somebody's trampoline in New York that's from a few miles away,
and or bills like yeah, so you have mail as
well in your yard, but you come together to clean up.
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And I think that's going to be a similar thing
of people's reaction going in the basement, hiding, going out
to watch the storm, But no matter what, you're going
to come together afterwards.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Do you think it's possible I was wondering about this
when I was looking into all of this stuff about you.
Do you think it's possible that this build up to
a disclosure could be the release of more of these
videos in order to bring more and more people slowly
on board with this idea that there may be some
beings visiting us. Is that possible like this by design?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I mean it could be like a slow release. I know, yes,
I mean that could be a strategy.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I get it. I just get annoyed with like just
release them, all right.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
So, from from the perspective of knowing what's out there,
knowing what the public deserves to know, because you know,
us not being alone shouldn't be a secret.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
And I yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Would you want official disclosure like that at least to
the degree of acknowledging an et presence or is that
just going to open the door for all these questions
of what you covered up and what you did wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
I still think it'll be public that will have that
conversation first and not the government, because the government's going
to have to do a significant amount of apologizing. And
I mean I hope again optimists like I hope they
apologize to people, and I hope they go you would
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go door to door to apologize to military members that
passed away, to their families that are still alive, not
knowing if what really happened to them. I just I
don't see the government coming out and admitting this first.
It's going to be the public. It's going to be
us talking and educating, just like what we're doing now,
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and your good questions as you're asking.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, I don't see it happening either. I really don't
see any impetus for this at all. Number One, I
think they're going to push this out further and further,
because people might care less if it was your great
great great grandfather who had this issue in Roswell, as
opposed to your father or your grandfather. They're going to
go crazy if this comes out, because they'll be like,
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he sat in that chair and didn't talk to anybody
for thirty years, or he went crazy, or he you know,
all of these horrible stories that we've heard over the years.
You know. And another thing is I think, whoever does
really hold the deep secrets of what's there, what's the
upside for them releasing that? I don't see any upside
at all.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
All of the secrets that have been buried, and then
of course over time have been lost because I'm sure
back in the sixties there is no one writing stuff down.
Of course, the Manhattan Project there are records in that,
but you know, so a lot of information has been
lost over the years, and I it's yeah, it's very frustrating,
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and I'm just always going to be hopeful because that's
what i have to be. And that's why I keep
talking on podcasts and showing up on appearances, is because
of that hope that it will happen. One day and
the government will apologize.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I would love it. Do you have a best guest
personally as to what you think might be behind this phenomenon?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
What do you mean like aliens?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, okay, that's what I mean. But I mean, do
you think that they're coming from another planet? Do you
think they're coming interdimensionally? Do you think they're always been
here and they're coming from under the ocean? Do you
think they're on the other side of the moon. What
is your best guest personally? What you feel is happening?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yes, all the above, it a d all the above.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Thank you so much for sharing so much with us, Sarah.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
How could people find you? I, uh, most easily.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I'm on Instagram and Facebook, Sarah Grace Warrior all one word,
no spaces or anything. Facebook is Sarah Grace Psychic Medium,
emails Sarah Grace Warrior at gmail dot com. And I
do have a website, but I'm probably going to shut
that down soon, so if you go to that, there's
going to be some bare bones there because I never
use it and it is expensive.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yes, right, it's very good. Well, thanks again, Sarah. I
appreciate it, and thanks for listening. Everyone you can find
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with Sarah gamb Sarah has a Bachelor of
Science in Physics and Astrophysics, Masters of Science Encountering Weapons
of Mass Destruction from Missouri State University. Most of her
career has been in intelligence community, focused on satellite imagery
She was also a member of the UAP Task Force,
which was a US Department of Defense led intelligence group
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created to investigate and analyze unidentified aerial objects. This later
basically transitioned into the twenty twenty two into what we
now know as ARROW. Hi, Sarah, welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Hello, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Absolutely thrilled to have you. We're really glad you're coming here,
and you're coming to contact. We're excited about that as well.
So just to be clear here, when you were on
the UAP Task Force and you were analyzing these videos
and materials and checking various data points as a means
to detect, collect and analyze identified aerial phenomenon, you guys
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weren't seeking out aliens, right, You were rather trying to
determine whether these objects posed a threat to the US
military or assessed if they could be a foreign adversary, technology,
sensor errors, natural phenomenon, that kind of thing, right.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I supported a task force from a very small corner
of it at nnga National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, So I
stuck to videos and imagery like you mentioned, and we
assess things if they were unidentified or not, and if
they were a threat to US and our allies.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, you know, despite that being their objective. When they
did come out with their big report in June of
twenty one, their preliminary report to Congress actually said they
reviewed one hundred and forty four military encounters and only
found one that was explainable. The rest were deemed probably explainable,
but there was not enough data. But tell us in
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the real world practice, was it your experience that there
were cases you guys could not agree on a consensus
for what they were. Would those be the cases that
got deemed identify unidentified?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Yes, yes, there were definitely some that people were divided on.
So there were some that were definitely unidentified, and then
some that we were split fifty to fifty. Some people agreed,
some didn't, and so we would still deem them as
unidentified because if there's still you know, scientific numbers. Wise,
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if there's still you know, a small percentage or a
small number that don't agree, then it's you can't identify it,
right And then yeah, the report, unfortunately, I don't think
it had accurate numbers. It was very sad to see
what was provided, especially to the public.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
There was there's.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Definitely more that we found, at least in my short
time on the task force that was unidentified. And of
course even later in years like as you know, science
evolves and you get more data, you update your files.
So a couple of years later we actually when I
wasn't officially on the task force anymore, but I got
to help provide information to prior members that something we
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deemed unidentified was actually a weather balloon. So you know,
you update your files. But for the most part, there
were definitely more than just one.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, it makes sense. You know, blue Book had over
seven hundred that they never identified, but nobody ever talks
about that either. When you guys were typically divided, like
you said, sometimes people didn't all agree on what it was.
Was that the norm or was there usually a consensus
like oh yeah, yeah, this is a balloon, or this
is an artifact or whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
There was usually a consensus.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Surprisingly usually yeah, you would say that's definitely parallax, or
we need more data. So it's inconclusive because of the
poor quality data. It's too big of pixels, right, so
in the flear the thermal imagery or videos that you get,
the pixel values are just too large, so you cannot
identify what it really is. So you have inconclusive as well,
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which is typically unidentified, but inconclusive is just we need
more data for this. So yes, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I know you guys were just looking at the data.
But were there cases where you guys could look at
something and you watch one of these videos and it
felt to you like, you know what, this is anomalous
enough to not only be unexplainable, but to be so
far outside the norm that this might actually be an Hi.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Oh absolutely there was.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
What I learned though, because the science, the scientists that
I am, I can't take anything for face value. So
when you look at something for the first time, it
might look crazy that you start really watching the video
or if it's an image, did you you dive into
you know, the specialists in the area that the image
was taken over and learned that it isn't something unidentified
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or crazy. But yeah, there are definitely a few times
where you just look at something and you know immediately
that that is not from here, that's not from an adversary,
that this is this is somewhere intertellar.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That is incredible. Do you remember the very first time
you saw one of these where you felt, oh shit,
this is not ours.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Oh absolutely, of course I remember what was that like
it was you know, forgot to breathe for a few seconds,
and then like, okay, am I crazy right now? Like
we can't figure out what this is. That it was
like I talk about a flying brain and it has
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a plasma around it, and it morphed and changed, and
you know the five observables, like one of them is maneuverability,
so it's stops and pivots and change direction, a lot
of g force that we wouldn't be able to sustain
as a human, and that happened with it. And so
you know that was you know, I would pause or
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the video or whatever whatever I was looking at and
rewind it or you know, dive into the metadata, and
I would have my coworker that sat beside me was
very scientific brain oriented as well, like more of a
nerd than me, and I would have him look at it.
He's like, yeah, that looks crazy. I don't know what
that is. And it was pretty incredible. So I definitely
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remember the first time. And then even so with that
specific instance, I had like a connection to an energy
to it as well, and I just kind of like
waved to low to my monitor for some silly reason,
like didn't even realize what I was doing. So that
was also a weird moment to look back gone of
(08:02):
this connection. And of course, now fast forward that was
gosh in twenty nineteen, so fast forward a few years
and knowing about this energetic connection that happens and the
things that have been discovered since then. So it's been
a pretty cool journey.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yeah, no doubt about it. There's certainly a psionic connection
that's been coming out more and more. We keep hearing that,
and yeah, it is hilarious. I catch myself saying thank
you to like chet GPT and I'm like, what am
I doing? That seems so silly? Why am I and soing? Please?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Hey, hey, sirih what time is it? I'm like, oh,
thank you, Oh my gosh, she's telling me what time
it is. I didn't mean it exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Now couldn't these things? I understand the human thing couldn't
withstand those turns, but couldn't that be an unmanned craft?
I mean, of course it could be.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Right, that's why the task force members are there to
investigate and why we were such a diverse team, and
it was volunteers as well. So you weren't you know,
being upset that you had this project you were working on.
You were doing it because you wanted to. So yes,
there was definitely those times.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't know, Yeah, and it could be you know,
of course technology that you're just not familiar with. Isn't
that possible as well? That's just you know, one of
these secret projects or whatever.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
So that's exactly again why we had a diverse team
on the task force. We would reach out to the
expert in the area. So I'm just going to randomly
pick China, So it was you know, there's analysts over
different parts of China that specialize in specific places, and
so we would reach out to those analysts and say, hey,
(09:47):
is this anomalist in this area? Do you know of
I'm looking at my iPods like, oh, we found you know,
this iPod manufacturer. Is this normal? And so they would
say yes or no. They would also dive in and
maybe ask all their counterparts and other agencies in the
IC and so yeah, so there was a very thorough
(10:09):
investigation that we would do. We would even reach out
to camera operators, so if it was an MQ nine,
we would talk to the people that were on console
that night that witnessed it with their eyeballs and had
to track it themselves. So we would even investigate camera parts,
but we also looked at unclassified data as well, so
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we would have to reach out to those people too.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's interesting how sometimes our ic differently than our camera does.
That's also very interesting. When we come back, we're going
to ask Sarah if what she saw in these videos
was what convinced her that at some of these objects
were NHI design craft and that we are not alone.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Sarah gam. Sarah, just professionally
in your work, was what you saw in these videos
or data that is that what convinced you that there
may be an NHI design craft and therefore we're not
alone on this planet.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
No, I knew we weren't alone before that. So in
my astrophysics and physics undergrad so I say both because
on paper it's physics, but in reality it was astrophysics
for legal reasons for university, and so in some of
those classes, I just knew I would tell people, you know,
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why would we be selfish enough to think that an
infinite amount of space were it? And I was always
a huge X Files fan growing up, and I always
had Molder on one shoulder and Scully on the other,
always believing that then the science hat would be put on,
so I always knew and then seeing it, and you know,
especially in classified data, that I mean zeroed out in
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my mind. Some of the things that you know came
on my workstation is not from Earth, It's not terrestrial.
I'd say seeing some of what I have now is
just a little bit more validation of what my twelve
year old self already knew.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
There you go, was the atmosphere you worked in? There?
Were they quick to shut down any thoughts or speculations
of NHI as being behind these anomalies? Or was it
an acceptable thing or maybe even obvious to speculate this.
I know Nick Pope once told me that at the
Ministry of Defense they would just point up when it
wasn't one of theirs. Did you guys have something.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
By the way that, oh yeah, still very fresh that
when he Since he passed away, I surprisingly never got.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Much push back like that.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I you know, sometimes it took multiple emails to ask
people like, you know, it's going to take two seconds,
just take take a peek at this please and let
me know if you think it X y Z. And
sometimes folks just didn't have time. But when I, you know,
my brief time, I was officially supporting the task force
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for less than a year before I moved on to
another position, I.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Never really had pushback. I felt very lucky.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Do you know the people in the group have the
same sense as you did? Did? They kind of go
along like, yeah, that's clearly something else.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We actually became pretty much like a family, the core people,
and there were two separate groups that I was a
part of. There was like this collaborative space and then
the task Force, and some of it kind of overlapped
and intertwined because there were task Force people in the
collaborative collaborative space. So this collaborative uh, we'll call it
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a sharepoints sight. So this space, a lot of us
became really good friends, and I'm still very good friends.
I called them family members today we still talk. So,
of course we are divided because we're all humans and
we all have a different background, But for the most part,
we would usually end up agreeing together of something we
just didn't know what the heck it was.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I have heard, you know, publicly and privately, people suggesting
that some of these videos that we've seen, even the
Navy ones that were people are saying that that could
be our technology, not off world at all. Do you
think it's possible that all of these could just be
secret tech from somewhere.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'm going to answer that in two parts. Yes, plausible too.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
I can't talk too much about that, Okay, were there
people higher up with you who may have said, oh, like,
did you ever get the feeling like I wondered if
somebody there would be like, oh, don't worry about that one,
that's that's one of ours, Like maybe they knew more
about certain tech that you guys didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Oh. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I was never read in compartmented programs or special access
programs at that time, So yes, absolutely. And once in
a while there was there were other individuals that got
too close to the flame and the candle and we're
told to back off. I thankfully somehow never got that
close to something and wasn't threatened. But I know multiple
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people that were, and they backed off very quickly. They
didn't wait for, you know, a second time to be
approached and didn't want to rest their family. So yes,
there are definitely people that had that instance that you
asked about.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, I wondered if they would be would
go along with you guys and be like, oh, yeah,
that's clearly something I've never heard of her seeing, or
if there were things where they felt, well, you know
what we you know, we know what that is.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Well.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And remember I also saw like a fraction of the
data too, so it was only on the task force,
especially for a small amount of time, which I guess
it didn't exist for too long either. But and so
what was sent to me might have been sent to
somebody else. But I also still didn't see everything that
was out there, and that was okay with me. Like
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I was happy to be on the team, and I
was very happy to be on the team.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I said, Still, what an amazing opportunity. I mean, my god. Yeah,
I wondered if you guys took a deep dive into
these videos. You know, SCU, the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies,
they do some serious dives on some of these videos.
I've seen like three hundred page documents of analysis that
they've done on some of these videos. Was your analysis
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much more limited, like you just determined this isn't a
threat and move on? Or did you do some hardcore
deep analyzing of some of them.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
That depends what it was.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
So some of them were super simple to say that's
definitely trash or birds migrating migration patterns can look pretty crazy,
I found out. And you learn a lot about birds
and places on Earth. And once in a while, we
would have like years worth of research. We would look
(17:20):
up so much data, talk to people, look up historical data,
like literally years worth of research that would be done,
and you know, a more compact timeframe, and sometimes reports
would be long.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And what is long? That's that's subjective.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
It's not going to be three hundred pages because we're
people are working in the icy and it's not our
full time job. We're only allowed to work on this,
you know. I think I was told twenty or fifteen
to twenty percent of the time of every week, so
you were also limited from that aspect. So it wasn't long.
(17:59):
So to me, a long report when I worked at
NGA would have been to two PDF pages and like normal,
like you know, twelve point font So nothing is like
overly large unless you got into like more technical reports,
which I was a part of a few times when
I did mozzle dam and a rock support, So we
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had very technical data we were working with, and so
we had this huge report that we put out to
explain what it is and the background of the data
and and just very very detailed to back up what
people were seeing. We were making big claims about the
dam and potential breaching. So sometimes there were longer reports,
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but for me and what I was doing, there just weren't.
There were shorter ones. So it's a really long answer
for yes and no.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And no worries. I appreciate you expounding on that. Did
you find patterns in these anomalies, like would the same
sort of activity come up time and time again that
would point to whatever this is, it's probably the same
as that one we saw four months ago or something.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, I think there were now in hindsight, I think
there were patterns because you know, people would say there's
a lot of reports on over nuclear sites. Well, we
also have more sensors and more things looking and monitoring
at our nuclear sites, So what about you know, I
grew up on a farm in Missouri, Like what about
my dad and the farm, Like if we had all
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those sensors at these nuclear sites on the farm, we
probably would see something that way too. So yes, there
were patterns, but I also think a little bit of
the data is biased because of the sensors in these areas.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
That is a great point that I've never thought of.
That's true that they're looking for that stuff because they
want to protect those areas. Maybe that is why more
stuff shows up there. That's fascinating. Were there other sorts
of things that were hotspots or hot things that you
know of.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I mean the nuclear sides.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I'd see honestly war time places too, where there's activity.
But also again that's where we're looking up already. We're
watching the guys for artillery coming in and so and
more and more people are looking up right now, So
current day and not talking about Task Force days. So
(20:23):
current day, I think it's spreading globally everywhere. But my
task Force days was of course, like military bases and
you know, the Virginia capes and in places where folks
are already looking up and there's a lot of military
exercises happening. So I think now it's spreading around because
(20:46):
you know, the stigma is starting to decrease and folks
are looking up.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Well, come back. We're gonna ask Sarah about her thoughts
about Congressman timber Shat's recent claims that if Americans saw
the alien reports that he was shown, this country would
have come unglued and you'd be up all night long.
Very interesting. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
(21:26):
back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Sarah gamb Sarah,
did you see that recent thing where timbershed came out
and said that if Americans saw the alien reports I
was shown, this country would come on glued and you'd
be up all night long. What do you think, Congressman?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
I'm happy he knows probably more than I do.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Now. I got so happy.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I hope the public does see a fraction of what
he got to absolutely.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
You know, in the James Fox film The Pro you
were in there and you said, there's a lot more
data out there, a fraction of which is something unexplainable,
exhibiting physics that's beyond our realm, something that we don't
know what it is, is that still where you sit
or has things changed over the last so many years.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Definitely still where I said.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
We've had decades, in decades worth of data that we've
hoarded and kept secret, and I got to see a
fraction of that fraction. So yeah, I definitely still stand
by that.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
You know, it's tough for the public because we have
such limited information and it's just piecemealed here and there.
And I think you've said that some of these videos
that have been released to the public only show like
five percent or a small fraction of the picture, so
we're not really getting the full story, and this leads
things to being misrepresented and mischaracterized. What do you think
(22:58):
about that?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I still stand by that. I get frustrated more and
more when classified data is illegally released and provided there
is a legal way to do it, and having a
clearance is an honor, and it's also a burden because
you know, I could say the wrong thing and go
to jail or you know, it's but it is an
honor and a privilege, and for people to abuse that
(23:23):
really frustrates me, and to abuse hard work that was
done on some of these videos that have been illegally
provided is gutting and you know, and especially since they
only provide a snapshot. And like I said earlier, some
things look crazy when you first observe and see them,
(23:44):
and when you really dive into the data, they're not
that crazy at all. It's it's burns migrating or fishing
boats in a very weird pattern, and it's not crazy
at all. So it is heartbreaking to watch somebody, for
whatever reason that I will never understand, illegally provide something
(24:07):
to the media that isn't the whole story.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, you can imagine how if you just crop a video,
there could be something just offscreen that explains the whole thing,
a guy standing there with the wire or whatever, or
the whole video. Anything that's not the full picture obviously
is not telling you the full story. So that could
really lead to some problems. It's probably making things even
(24:32):
worse for people that are trying to get to the bottom.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Absolutely, I've had conversations with representative Burleson about what is
provided isn't sometimes. I truly this is Sarah Gham's opinion
that I don't think it's provided of good face. I
don't think it's provided to help I think it might
have malicious intent because sometimes some of these videos are
(24:59):
very much quickly analyzed and debumped is not UAPs, and
what's provided and stated by the media is opposite, and
so I take it. You know, sometimes it's intentionally planted
to throw people off.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We have the media doing that, and then we have
do you have some thoughts on the Pentagon still saying
there's absolutely no evidence of anything et visitation wise? Does
that sort of feel not fair to all the work
you guys did.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Could I'm sorry I almost interrupted you, but I hope
everyone out there could feel my eyes roll, my heavy
eye roll when you asked that. It is so frustrating.
And I also now things that I've learned over time.
I understand why they might have buried this is because
(25:52):
of a lot of the terrible stuff that has been
done to keep things buried in secret. So they're going
to keep trying to do do it and do it,
and the public's rising, you know, more voices are coming out,
more people are looking up, more people are buying sensors
to record the data, and this is going to overpower
(26:12):
them and they're going to have to have some sort
of backpedaling going on. And a massive amount of apologies.
I think it is very sad that the Pentagon is
still saying no, no, no, no no, like the saying
anything look over there, don't look over here. But it'll
(26:34):
I truly think one day, hopefully soon. I'm an optimist
that the public's going to overpower that Pentagon voice.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
So you feel clearly that that part of the reason
this hasn't been released to the public is because we
started with a lie and a cover up, and they
just it just kept building upon itself. Kind of a thing,
it seems, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Oh absolutely, And think about so think about you know,
when the cover ups, at least in the US started roswell,
the time of the word I'm trying to talk fast
because I know we're limited. So the the time of
life that that was happening, you know, World War Two
just recently ended, and these young troops are coming home
(27:18):
from all this tragedy and everything. I can't imagine what
they witnessed and what they experienced. And then we have
this alien these alien bodies in this crash, and of
course you're going to cover itny, then you don't. You
don't want to spread this, you don't want adversaries getting
this now after this war, so I think, you know,
I agree to cover it up at that time, I
(27:41):
don't agree much sense because of what's done and you know, unfortunately,
you know, un a living people and murdering is what
the government has done, letting our soldiers die in a
lot of pain because they don't want to acknowledge the
cancer they got was from.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
A crash recovery.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You mentioned, you know, having your clearance and everything. Do
you find it very difficult to know things that you
can't talk about publicly?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
As hard every day it is. Yes, absolutely, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Changed the public is I was going to say changed
on my wrist, but it's changed all over the body.
It's not even the risk. You're very confined. The public
is upset with secrets that we keep, and I'm upset
by it too. But I don't want to go to jail.
And I love my career. I love serving my country.
I've never been active duty, but I have been able
(28:35):
to deploy to the Middle East, especially during ISIS time
when the Caliphate was active, and I have been able
to do so much to help protect the US and
our allies.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
That I get so frustrated with.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Having to tell people when you like you just asked
a really good question earlier and I can't answer it,
and it was a good question, and I hate responding
all goods.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yes, yes they are.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
It is a burden and chatin's all over that.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I sometimes wish I didn't have, but I'm grateful for
it because I've been able to do so much. I mean,
behind me on the wall isn't a word I got
from helping the Osama bin Laden Mission.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
And how cool is that? How grateful? And what an
amazing career.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Good for you? That's awesome. What do you think the
biggest misconception that the public has in general about government
knowledge about this topic.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
I think people's misconceptions and perceptions of what the government
knows is mostly driven by incorrect media sources and the
divided community, you know, the UAP community. And I'm going
to say this, this isn't my words. A very good
end of mine said this to me at one point
(30:02):
during this journey of mine, Luella Zondo and said, the
UAP community sometimes eats itself alive, and that happens in cycles.
So it's hard to truly answer that because the community
itself doesn't believe each other, just like you know, saying
(30:22):
I want a video, I want a video of something
solid and concrete. And when Jake Barber was so brave
and came forward and provided that egg video, they got
the video and no one believed it. No, I want
better data. So I think it's the stigma that the
(30:43):
government put out so many decades ago will always live
and everybody will have this misconception no matter what.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, that's clearly still lingering. When we come back, we're
going to talk to you, Sarah more about your thoughts
about why the government hasn't released this latest batch of
videos that Representative Luna, who chairs the Task Force on
the Declassification of Federal Secrets, has called for. That was
supposed to just come out the other day and it
never did, so we'll ask you about that. On the
(31:16):
other side, you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
back on Beyond Contact speaking with Sarah gam Sarah, we
(31:37):
just had a deadline pass in mid April here where
they were supposed to release these forty six videos that
were requested by Anna Poluna. Excuse me, Anna Paulina Luna,
How does this stuff happen?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yes, I don't know at this point. You know, I
already anticipated nothing happening, especially when you know when I
was on the task Force and then the task Force
was disbanded and became our Aero was born after that,
there was so much inconsistencies in data that Aero said
(32:14):
that they had and didn't have, And I made sure
to talk to somebody that they had access to our
database that we used to use, and they did that
they would deny a lot of information. So it really
didn't surprise me that nothing's been out yet, And it
is so frustrating and so unfortunate because I know, I'll
(32:37):
use Intel community words with high probability and high confidence
that there is data out there that can be downgraded
to unclassified level that would not provide any input on
you know, sensor data where we're looking or anything like
that that I know, and I wouldn't say that, and
(33:00):
it would be something that would put our soldiers in
harm's way or knowledge that would give the adversary of
our sensor quality that we have our technology. There's not
any of them, Like, there's data out there that could
be downgraded and released and I will keep hoping that
one day it will be.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'm hoping too. I think all of us are on
that team. You know, Luna seems hell bent. She came
out again and just today said, so, whoever's trying to
be cute at the Pentagon is about to get rolled
because it's not up to them. Pete Hegseth would not
undermine the president. And this stuff has been ordered for release,
(33:40):
so we will be getting those file whether they want
to agree with us or not. So the good news,
she's at least being a champion for this cause and
going after it very hard, it seems.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, and inaggressive and a woman too, like yay, we
need more women in this space, and I think somebody
who hopefully we'll be driving more women to come out
and step up and talk and you know, straight in
the back and straighten the crown and keep going.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I think it's great.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
I have only been able to briefly meet her once,
and I am very proud to be behind her.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Yeah, me too. I think she's doing an absolutely great job.
I'm surprised how many Congress people have really taken this
issue to heart and are really championing it, which is
something we've never seen ever, so hopefully we'll get some
progress from that. Let me ask you this, if they
did release some of these videos, you know, or more
information that was clearly pointing to the existence of another intelligence,
(34:45):
how do you think the world would react to that.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
I think it'll be the typical divided or people won't
believe it and it'll be fake news. And then I
think there's going to be a group of people that
just won't care because they have bills to pay, they
need food on the table, and I mean that's what
happens everywhere, right like there's there's a higher priority in
(35:07):
their life and that's food and a roof. And then
I I truly think there'll be the chaos and a
lot of you know, markets in the economy will we'll
fluctuate things, will say fluctuate as in a sarcastic way,
So it'll be a bit of chaos, chaotic happening. But
(35:32):
then I think of so I'm from the Zuri where
we have a lot of tornadoes, and I think of
it like a tornado. There's there's the storm coming in
and chaos, and you know, you either go hide in
your basement or go out and watch the storm.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
I was. I was the latter.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
I always went out to watch it until you couldn't anymore.
And and then there's a cleanup after the storm, and
everybody has to come together to rebuild, and you find
somebody's trampoline in New York that's from a few miles away,
and or bills like yeah, so you have mail as
well in your yard, but you come together to clean up.
(36:09):
And I think that's going to be a similar thing
of people's reaction going in the basement, hiding, going out
to watch the storm, But no matter what, you're going
to come together afterwards.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Do you think it's possible I was wondering about this
when I was looking into all of this stuff about you.
Do you think it's possible that this build up to
a disclosure could be the release of more of these
videos in order to bring more and more people slowly
on board with this idea that there may be some
beings visiting us. Is that possible like this by design?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I mean it could be like a slow release. I know, yes,
I mean that could be a strategy.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I get it. I just get annoyed with like just
release them, all right.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
So, from from the perspective of knowing what's out there,
knowing what the public deserves to know, because you know,
us not being alone shouldn't be a secret.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
And I yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Would you want official disclosure like that at least to
the degree of acknowledging an et presence or is that
just going to open the door for all these questions
of what you covered up and what you did wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
I still think it'll be public that will have that
conversation first and not the government, because the government's going
to have to do a significant amount of apologizing. And
I mean I hope again optimists like I hope they
apologize to people, and I hope they go you would
(37:44):
go door to door to apologize to military members that
passed away, to their families that are still alive, not
knowing if what really happened to them. I just I
don't see the government coming out and admitting this first.
It's going to be the public. It's going to be
us talking and educating, just like what we're doing now,
(38:05):
and your good questions as you're asking.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, I don't see it happening either. I really don't
see any impetus for this at all. Number One, I
think they're going to push this out further and further,
because people might care less if it was your great
great great grandfather who had this issue in Roswell, as
opposed to your father or your grandfather. They're going to
go crazy if this comes out, because they'll be like,
(38:28):
he sat in that chair and didn't talk to anybody
for thirty years, or he went crazy, or he you know,
all of these horrible stories that we've heard over the years.
You know. And another thing is I think, whoever does
really hold the deep secrets of what's there, what's the
upside for them releasing that? I don't see any upside
at all.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
All of the secrets that have been buried, and then
of course over time have been lost because I'm sure
back in the sixties there is no one writing stuff down.
Of course, the Manhattan Project there are records in that,
but you know, so a lot of information has been
lost over the years, and I it's yeah, it's very frustrating,
(39:15):
and I'm just always going to be hopeful because that's
what i have to be. And that's why I keep
talking on podcasts and showing up on appearances, is because
of that hope that it will happen. One day and
the government will apologize.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I would love it. Do you have a best guest
personally as to what you think might be behind this phenomenon?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
What do you mean like aliens?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, okay, that's what I mean. But I mean, do
you think that they're coming from another planet? Do you
think they're coming interdimensionally? Do you think they're always been
here and they're coming from under the ocean? Do you
think they're on the other side of the moon. What
is your best guest personally? What you feel is happening?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yes, all the above, it a d all the above.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Thank you so much for sharing so much with us, Sarah.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
How could people find you? I, uh, most easily.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I'm on Instagram and Facebook, Sarah Grace Warrior all one word,
no spaces or anything. Facebook is Sarah Grace Psychic Medium,
emails Sarah Grace Warrior at gmail dot com. And I
do have a website, but I'm probably going to shut
that down soon, so if you go to that, there's
going to be some bare bones there because I never
use it and it is expensive.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yes, right, it's very good. Well, thanks again, Sarah. I
appreciate it, and thanks for listening. Everyone you can find
me on Twitter, on Instagram at CID Underscore Captain Ron.
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