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Speaker 2 (01:08):
As we talk with the top experts. Hi, and welcome
to Beyond Contact. Today we're going to be speaking with
Leslie and Stephen Shaw. They have been studying the UFO
phenomenon for decades. They are both UFO witnesses and Steven's
very psychic family were the victims of an alien abduction
phenomenon for at least four generations together, they combine artistic vision,
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scientific curiosity, and lived experience to shed light on what
may be happening with the UFO phenomenon. This will be
a very different kind of show for Beyond Contact as
we take a deep dive into speculation on one theory,
namely the idea that aliens actually may be human beings
living alongside of us below ground and across under the oceans.
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Hi guys, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Hi, good evening, Thank you so much for having.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Us, Absolutely glad to have you here. You know, we
are often discussing on this show how there seems to
be clearly some sort of interaction happening between us and
another intelligence. People sometimes use the term alien or visitor,
but we really never know for sure where they come
from or who they are. Definitively. The big guesses, of
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course are extraterrestrials meaning they come from another planet, interdimensional
beings meaning they come from another dimension outside of our universe.
There's the extra tempestrial idea, which is there us from
the future coming back. They might be consciousness based or
multiverse beings from a parallel world. They could even be
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some type of post biological civilization that are now an
artificial life form like AI. So there's a lot of
possibilities here. And then there's this idea that's sometimes called
intraterrestrial or crypto terrestrial, where there's a race of beings
that share the Earth with us, but live underground and
in the ocean and have evolved parallel to us. I
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think that's kind of where you guys sit on this right.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yes, definitely, as far as we were very much science oriented,
in fact oriented as far as what when you look
at things, we look at what is the most likely
and what makes the most sense. Okay, So a lot
of the theories that are out there are just they
just don't hold water, especially when I look at it
from my family's involvement for over four generations. So obviously
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there's a long term, a long time involvement, which is
just not travelers from the future.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yes, and as we started looking at the phenomenon decades ago,
we just couldn't make the data fit the theories. At
the time, the theories were that there was a federation
of these beings coming from all different star systems. But
when we applied the crypto terrestrial idea to our data,
suddenly everything just sneiacked into place and may started making sense.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's very interesting to me how much it does sort
of sync up with a lot of aspects of the
phenomenon that fit in with this idea. What is all
this based on? Is this start with the Sumerian text?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Well, part of it is part of our research, of
course we went into that, but a lot of it
too is actually coming out now. Even Luis Alessando's work
in Imminent, there's some a couple of very good chapters
that show that human beings that have psychic ability mean
real psychic ability and are being trained to do remote viewing,
have two areas of the brain that are hyper developed,
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which is the cott at putinin and the pera hippocampal gyrus.
And this goes across the boards. And we've also found
too that we call our cousins, not aliens. Our cousins
primarily communicate with us either in the astra realm or
through telepathy. And it seems to bear out the facts,
seem to bear out what the government has found.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And we discovered with abduction phenomenon was also coming the
hybrid alien breeding program. So many of these women that
are being utilized as incubators for four months, and then
they're later stealing the fetuses. We think that this is
also for their evidence that they're humans. They are actually
breeding with us by having sex. Women are claiming they're
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being raped by aliens. So you know, if you're having
sex with us and making babies, we think it's evidence
that they're human. They couldn't be anything else.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That is a very fair point. And there are many
cases of people who claim this that they've had stuck
with an alien, as they call it, and it would
make sense then that that does line up. So you
think it's sort of an offshoot, Why don't you explain
to us what you mean. You mean like it's an
offshoot of humanity that we all lived on the surface
of the Earth and then at one point part of
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us branched off in one underground, if you will. Is
that what you base this on.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I think it's kind of like the Deep Impact movie
thirteen thousand years ago. Oh the people of the planet.
We think they were more advanced than mainstream archaeology gives
this credit for at the time, and that the younger
dry ass comet impact of twelve eight hundred and fifty
years ago just scraped evidence of advanced society off the
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surface of the planet. It was a nearly extinction level event,
and we think this is the reason that the human
race separated, that some of us went underground to survive
this impact. Just like in that Deep Impact movie, they say,
you know, Plan A was for the astronauts to go
up into space and blow up the asteroid. But plan
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B was to think these deep underground cities so that
people could survive the impact. And we think that that's
what happened, and they took their technology and their culture
with them, whereas we few survivors on the surface were
thrown back into the Stone Age, and that's why they're
about twelve thousand years more advanced than we are.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
And the facts bear out as far as what has
been found of so many things. For instance, we know
that the commet was one hundred kilometers in diameter and
it was it basically broke apart as it is coming
through the Northern Hemisphere, setting all the forests of the
Northern Hemisphere on fire. At the same time, we know
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the Uslo Horizon has been documented and firmed up at
the exact same time. Also, what happened in the Bibles
you know, forewarning and fore knowledge, you know, go to
a high ground building, our dig underground like in Darren
c you for knowledge. So in other words, we had
to have had advanced astronomy for one thing. So there's
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so many facts that bear out the fact that also
to these impacts happen a lot more frequently than we
even realized when we first started researching, that they happened
fairly on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
There's also these incredible structures that were built in ancient
history that to a higher intelligence or technology that they
were able to do. That are you referring to this
Hiawatha crater? Is that? Is that what you're basing the sun?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Actually, one of the reasons we made a second edition
was that when we wrote the book, the Hiawatha Crater
seemed to be the most likely candidate for the extinction
level event, but later it was determined that that was
a un much older impact and that the younger Dryass
comet impact has since been dated correctly to twelve and
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fifty years ago. So when we found out we were wrong,
we scraped the egg off our faces and you know,
came out in social media with the new correction and
the new information, and now we've made the correction in
the book.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
And the reason we know it was a comment is
because of the shocked courts. If you have a direct
impact a for instance, from a meteor, it will cause
a different type of pattern as far as the shocked courts.
So this was an air burst strike. And so again
that's also been dated correctly to twelve, eight hundred and
fifty years ago, so we know that the event occurred.
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Also other things like at the time too that you
can tell that below the equator in countries like Peru
and Chile, the Earth was put into a drought period,
a severe drought period for a long period of time,
and the northern hemisphere basically rain for literally like for years. Okay,
so this is all documentable stuff, so we know this happened.
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And also a genetic bottleneck that occurred where ten thousand
surfaced individuals were only on the Earth about thirteen thousand
years ago, also more recent information. Do you document what
we're saying?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yes, the genetic engineers discovered that we're not as nearly
as diverse as we should be, and they attribute that
to a genetic bottleneck they call it where we were
reduced to almost ten thousand individuals at one point in
our existence, and we think it was the younger dry
As comment that did it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, that's great. You know both of those things
I looked into. And I'm glad you corrected that in
the book because that was one of the things I
wanted to ask you about because it seems like that
other thing is much much older. I'm really glad to
hear that, and that makes sense. And yes, we did
go down to about ten thousand, you know, people living
on the surface. I want to ask you about other
evidence about this. We're out of time, we're up against
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and we come back and ask you guys about what
other signs were there that we had high technology. You're
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Speaker 2 (11:22):
We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron's speaking
with Steven and Leslie Shaw about the idea of crypto terrestrials.
You know, let's pick that back up here about the
idea that there was higher technology when we went all
the way down to ten thousand people. As you said,
that pretty much threw us back into the Stone Age
and we had to start over from day one. But
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if someone else was able to overcome that obstacle by
staying underground or existing in another place on Earth, perhaps
they could take their technology with them. What do you
point to, Like, wouldn't we have archaeological evidence of some
kind metal or something else that could survive or is
it just the stone monoliths.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
We actually have a lot of little artifacts that make
no sense in the normal timeline. They point to an
advanced civilization in prehistory prior to the flood. Our history
only goes back to the flood. But there's all kinds
of little artifacts. There's a there's a piece of mica
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that has hieroglyphs, Egyptian hieroglyphs carved into it. And mica
is one of the hardest stones there is. It would
be impossible without some sort of a water jet laser
cutter of some kind. All kinds of little things like
that that point to a civilization prior to this one.
And you know, Homosapien Sapien has been on this planet
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for at least one hundred and twenty thousand years, but
mainstream archaeology would have us believe that we set around
for one hundred and seven thoms years doing nothing, making
no advancements at all, until thirteen thousand years ago we
decided to just get some gumption up and build a
society and go to the moon. You know, we think
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that what we did was we evolved into an advanced race,
and the comet laid us low, and we've had to
you know, recover ever since.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, it's possible. Certainly, I think it's very fascinating.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
One of the things that I like about the straight
up extraterrestrial hypothesis is that it does not require anything theoretical, magical,
or supernatural. Even religions require a belief in those things.
The idea of extratrustrials you just need time and technology
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to travel here from another planet. That applies here as well. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
One thing I liked about our theories was that it
doesn't require theoretical physics to be true because they just
are here and have always been here with us. That's
why the phenomenon is pervasive and yet going back thousands
of years too. You don't need wormholes, you don't need
faster than light travel, you don't need interdimensional travel, you
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don't need time travel. None of these things have to
be true for our theories to be correct.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
What I look at a lot is what makes more sense.
You know, Occam's razor and the kiss method. For instance,
why did we see such a tremendous uptake in UFOs
being observed around about World War two? Okay, they live here,
they are concerned. They always have the same message, Now
take better care of the planet and stop playing with
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your nukes. Okay, it's the same message that repeats over
and over. Why would travelers that are coming from the
Pleiads or arc tourists or interdimensionals be so worried about
us and be wanting to breed with us and basicate
sang we need our cows and try and communicate with
us in so many different levels, including crops, or if
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they didn't also live here, and also too, they have
to be so so similar to us to be able
to breed a viable offspring that are not stereral. So
guess what, folks, they have to be very similar.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
And I think their ability to have telepathy with us
is further proof of it. We think that you'll probably
have to have very similar brains to be able to
think back and forth to one another.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'll be damned, I'm pretty skeptical about a lot of
these things. But that also fits in nicely to the
folklore of this, that the telepathy. They must have some
sort of similarity physiologically to breed with us if they
are in fact doing that to communicate with us the
way they are, you know, and you're right, why would
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they have such an interest in nukes? Maybe it affects
other planets, or they live here and they don't want
us ruining here.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Tell us all, yeah, do you think it's possible that
they seated us or that they are in fact extraterrestrial
to begin with and they came here and stayed here
and evolved with us.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
This is a little bit of the rub but we
also discussed it in the book about the Ononaki and
interestingly enough that the old Onanaki cities that Sitchen talked
about below, in below the equator line around about South
Africa and Mozambique, they're finding them now. These were huge
megatropolises that were in the area of the Three Waters meeting,
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and we have found those. Now those actually do exist
and they're dating back to over two hundred thousand years ago.
So we are finding out that, yes, we did not
uplift ourselves three hundred thousand years ago. We had help.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, Okay, people asked, leslie, are aliens involved at all?
And I say, they're not the ones flying the ships
in our skies right now. Those are humans. But all
humans are part aliens. If we take this Sumerian tablets
as gospel, if we take the Sumerian on Anachi gods
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as real, and if they aren't real, they had all a
very long, successful backstory to their existence. You know, at
first I thought this was a lovely myth, but then
we kept finding evidence. It looks like we really were
uplifted three hundred thousand years ago. There's an edit job
on our genome.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, pipe in here. Jason Martella. Just a couple of
years ago, he did a lecture on that that it
looks like there was a cut and paste job done
around the broken his brain area which gave us the
ability to speak. And I want to make a correction
here too, actually just for the audience, that telepathy is
actually the most basic and the simplest way of communicating.
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We have let it after feed as human beings. It's
kind of like the appendix of the brain in the
sense that we all have a telepathy. And that's why
our cousins, as we call him, they don't have to
speak ten thousand different languages because every memory, every thought
is laid down as a chemical process, so you don't
have to remember the word or tree in Swahili versus
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the word tree in English. That's why they can communicate
with this. They did not lose the ability to use telepathy.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And we think telepathy is actually a human birth right. Yes,
as Stephen and I were doing Kundalini raising techniques, we
became you know, astral travelers, and we became more and
more telepathic as we did it. We realized that it's
something that can be trained into the human mind. And
we think our cousins continue to train for it regularly
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and we don't. We've let it atrophy.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's so interesting and I like that you guys use
the word cousins because they are a branch of the human,
of our human ancestry. I guess that just branched off
and lived underground. And that's an interesting theory. It really is.
What about this idea in the alien community that there
are so many different races that people are encountering, like raise, reptilians, Nordics, mantis.
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What about all these other types? How does that fit
in with this theory?
Speaker 6 (19:08):
I will harken back to how frequently these impacts, these
near extension level events do occur. And you can take
a look at every single one of these types they're
talking about. They're hominid in look, they're all bipedal hominids. Okay,
so you can take take a gray tall gray especially,
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and they're not much different really in appearance than a tall,
skinny human being. The reptilians. In fact, even Karen Wilkinson,
who wrote our forward, talks about that too, how the
reptilians are actually indigenous to the planet. They're not that
much different than us. They are able to communicate with us,
they're able even in some cases to even breed with us.
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It's a little bit frightening when you really look into
what's really going on. We are not in the camp
that they're all here to help us and uplift us.
They are basically opportunists that they want to live themselves,
and we are just happen to be eight billion noisy
neighbors on top right now that are just scaring them.
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Really quite frankly, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
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When we come back, we're going to ask you more
about this and get some more of the strongest evidence
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We are back on beyond contact speaking with Stephen and
Leslie Shaw about this idea of crypto terrestrials. Are you
guys open to other possibilities or are you locked in
that this is the answer.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
We're pretty locked in from the standpoint of for instance,
with my family. But we won't go into in detail.
But when you start looking at what's been going on,
and the same entity keeps showing up over one hundred
and fifty year period and my missing time and basically
you know, sperm being stolen from me, coins being magnetized
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in my pocket, that's not supposed to be possible. We
really see it as that this is the most likely scenario.
That is, that makes the most sense, that there really
us that went down most recent time twelve thousand eight
or fifty years ago to survive the catastrophe.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
There's a huge celestial impact fifty thousand years ago in India.
The lore in our crator maybe they went underground back
then too. There's all kinds of stories in our ancient
lore about civilizations retreating underground.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know, even if they did not go underground till
thirteen thousand years ago, they could be more than thirteen
thousand years ago ahead of us, because they would have
had any technology they had at that point when we
lost everything, So they were already at a certain degree
of sophistication. They would only keep going. For what's the
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strongest piece of evidence that you have that you could
point to when you tell somebody about this, that such
a civilization could exist. What's the strongest piece of evidence?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I think a lot of it points to just the timing.
We didn't split the atom until the early part of
the nineteenth century. Rutherfer actually a New Zealand guy, did that.
He gets credit for that, and so then we had
to develop heavy water, and of course go back to
Italy in nineteen thirty three when there was a UFO
recovered and Mussolini was buddies with Hitler, and then of
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course the White supremacy stuff. So when you're looking at
what happened, and the actions always speak louder than the words.
We developed the ability to split the atom and develop
nuclear technology, and then all of a sudden the food
fighters are showing up. We have all this increase in activity, okay,
and you know, legitimate increase. So we look at the
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actions and what is happening. You're a concern that we're
going to blow them up too.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I think Admiral Bird also was very compelling for me.
The UFO documentary done in Russia about Admiral Bird and
the Operation High Jump being attacked by flying saucers. That
keys in for me with Admiral Bird flying into this
underground world to meet with the Ariani in his diary,
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and the government has really suppressed a lot about Admiral Bird.
If you just try and get onto the Library of Congress,
you can hardly find anything about him at all. They're
still after all these years, have essentially wiped him from existence,
almost from history nearly. And I think it's because of
what happened to him and Antarctica. And we wouldn't base
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it completely on just Admiral Bird's testimony, but there's a
lot of whistleblower weird whistleblower stuff coming out of Antarctica.
The giant hole that Admiral Bird describes is there. The
base that's been was discovered down there by this one
whistle entered this alien base at the South Pole. Other
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whistleblowers who flew over the hole saw it reported it.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Also. Do you needed data too?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Oh, yes, you needed data. Right, there's cosmic rays are
coming up out of the ice sheet, right and uh
and that's impossible.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah. Brad Olson talks about a lot of that too,
but he also claims that these bases are runaway Nazi
bases in Antarctica, that they're not alien bases.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And you have to ask, okay, where did the Nazis
get their technology from? Yeah, maybe they are still in
existence down there working with the quote unquote the Ariani,
But where did they get their technology?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, Well, one of these things are very very suspect, though,
I mean, even the even the Admiral Byrd's diary is
very very controversial. A lot of these things aren't, aren't
for sure? You know, do we have who's the strong
whistleblower that has come out publicly and said that they've
interacted with somebody, you know, an alien being or I
guess so humanoid from underground? I don't, I don't. I
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don't know of anybody. But off the top of my head,
do you guys have a name of somebody that's done that.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, we believe valiant thor.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Man. That is not a super credible story. Necessarily.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Snyder, talking about the underground bases, and well, yeah, well
he's also very controversial.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
All these guys are pretty controversial, right, and.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
He also he also supposedly strangled himself with a rubber hose,
So you.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Know, we would we would love to have concrete evidence,
but we are fighting against a government that is suppressing it,
and they have so much more power than we do.
After reading thousands of UFO accounts, I was also hearing
about how they keep coming up from the planet. They're
coming up out of lakes and oceans and up out
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of mountains and volcanoes and maces and ridges. A hole
will open up on the side of a mountain, UFOs
will zipping and out of it. I kept hearing about
them being here already, and how these mountains, these that
they hollow out are UFO hotspots and they're all over
the place. If you hear about a mountain that's a
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UFO hotspot, chances are there's an alien base inside it.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's interesting. I'm very curious about it, you know. I
feel like it's nice the way a lot of these
things line up. Do you feel like they're influencing our
society in any way?
Speaker 6 (27:28):
They can't help but do that they actually need us.
That's part of the whole thing too. They actually need us,
They're not trying to get rid of us. But if
you also look at, for instance, Wilkinson's work, she's of
the very very strong feeling with all her interactions and
having four children and being introduced to the hybrids, and
she's got a very Christian background, but she says that
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you know, they are not here for our benefits. They
are here for their benefit, and they would like to
not just reintegrate with us, but basically replaces in the
sense with hybrids so they can come back to the surface.
And like say, my interactants too, with my missing time
and those coins being magnetized, and my whole family be
involved with this. You know when you see a blue
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white being the six and a half feet tall, that's skinny,
that comes from behind you and basically paralyzes half your body,
says high Steve, and then magnetizes your coins and then
you lose time. And this has gone on my whole life,
and when I started looking into it back in four
generations is what we call unexplained events, but it has
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a common thread. You know, we have a family handler
and his name is Old glegly, or at least used
to be.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Now if you think that they want to take over
perhaps and reappear to the surface and take their land back,
if you will.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
We can't be sure, but is the alien hybrid breeding
program a sign that they're trying to replace us or
they're trying to reintegrate with us. We'd like to give
them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe this
is a reintegration program.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
But they are technologically advanced more than we are. Wouldn't
they be able to do it at will if they
wanted to.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
It's a numbers game. There was eight billion.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I think.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I say myself that I think that we, the human
race on the surface, are an experiment that's gotten out
of control. I think they made some some agreements with us,
with both Truman and with Eisenhower, you know, the old
saying that you know, you can take all the calalyps
you want, just give us some of your technology. I
think they have been giving us some of their technology,
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and we have been allowing people and animals to be
taken and used, but we have not been upholding our
part of the bargain.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
We think Eisenhower, you know, made this bargain because of
the technology, and we were entering the Cold War, they
were extra paranoid about Russia, and this technology could give
us an edge against what we feared was a very
dangerous opponent growing and you know, Russia. So I think
that kind of justifies why they did this. The technology
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could give us an edge and war that would save
lives in the long run. So go ahead and abduct
the people you need, as long as you keep putting
them back, you know.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
And eisen Hower on his way out was very famous
for saying beware of the military industrial complex. And that
was his saying, without really saying it directly, that this
is going to be a problem, and it was foreseeing
the problem for the future for sure.
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We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Stephen and
Leslie about the idea of these crypto terrestrials. Why do
they hide themselves from us? If there are just another
branch of humanity and they're way more advanced than us,
what would be the reason for them being so clandestine.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Well, there's a couple things, right therenumber One, they didn't
hide themselves from us forever. They came back to the
surface as teachers, the vera coaches, the quetsikotas, whatever you
want to say in China, you know, Huandi. They came
back to the surface to teach and educate and give
the civilization, stop us from being barbaric things such as
that animal husbandry. So they played gods for a long time. Okay,
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So they didn't hide all, you know, for the whole time.
If you were to go cave exploring, a lot of
people would be claustrophobic. So there would probably be a
fair amount of people when we went subsurface, our cousins
that would be claustrophobic. But over a couple of generations,
the children that were being born subsurface, that would be
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the world that they know. Okay, you have the geothermal
down there, you've got water, you've got resources. So they
did not stay down there the whole time. They did
come to the surface as teachers, and we think.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
They're mutating as they're down there, so they're becoming the
surface is becoming less and less palatable for them.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That would make sense, That's what typically happens with animals.
The next question, of course, would be why would they
then show themselves occasionally in UFOs and even interact with
humans through abductions. So they are if these are living
here and they have UFOs, we see those clearly, they've
let themselves be seen and they've even interacted with people
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who have had experiences. So why do you think that
they would do that on such a limited basis? Why
not just show up?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I do have a theory. I mean I would love
to be in on their board meetings, you know, like
why do you do these things?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'd love to have them on the show to be
honest and get these answers.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But for sure, But I think years ago Eisenhower and
the cousins set a disclosure date that has since come
and gone, and we believe that it's actually us now
that's trying to keep the lid on this and keep
it secret. And yes, they have the ability to show
themselves to us anytime they want, but I think they
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might be doing that only when they want something, when
they're trying to force the government's hand in some way.
That's what I think the Phoenix Lights event was, because
I mean, if they're not trying to show themselves to us,
what are they doing. They started in I believe it
was in Nevada, and then they crossed all of Arizona
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into Mexico, making sure to go over the capital so
that the most people could see them. I think that
they're just trying to force concessions from our government.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, it's odd to me that they wouldn't just just
land it then everybody would know, you know. You know,
another thing about this government is perhaps another thing that
fits with your theory and the folklore, is that perhaps
the reason we don't have disclosure is because perhaps the
government would be aware that this is where they're from.
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And it's one thing to say that there's a spaceman
doing a drive by checking us out, you know, with
a probe. It's another to say there's a superior race
and they live right under your feet being good. Think
that's part of the no disclosure thing. Oh yeah, m hmm, yep.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
You know, human on human or cousin on cousin of brutality.
You know, okay, did where did my uncle? Where did
my father go? That was a hunter that disappeared, like,
you know, with a bunch of other people there and
just disappeared and never was seen from again. Frequently from
Germanic background, And it's like, okay, how are you going
to have like a planet wide lawsuit against our against
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our cousins? I mean, how are you going to deal
with it? I mean, people are very xenophobic. We're more xenophobic.
It's easier to point the finger up against a race
of tentacle monsters than it is to point the fingers down,
you know, saying these are basically human beings. It's it's
a very very sensitive subject and I think it's kind
of things have gotten out of control the way it's
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looking as far as I can see.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
I'm thought of some evidence that I forgot to mention.
There was the hair of the alien.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
All the clear hair.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, the clear hair that tests as human. Bizarre human.
It tests is Gaelic and Basque and Chinese mixture of DNA,
but the DNA shows it as human. But the hair
is a mutant hair because there is no such thing
as a clear hair in humans. That right there, in
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one little hair, we have proof that we're dealing with humans,
and proof that we're dealing with mutants, the.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Big mud human hair right exactly right right. What kind
of pushback do you guys get on this theory? People
must challenge this. There's a lot of areas. What what
is the biggest pushback you guys have found.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
The biggest pushback, honestly is religious. They say, oh, I believe,
I believe in Jesus, and aliens are just their demons.
That's the biggest pushback. We really get at their demons
and that this is all just all made up, and
or that were basically insane, you know something along there.
Either religious or we're insane, or you know pretty much
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that's those are the two biggest pushbacks.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Your book is incredible. It's got so many different areas
that you guys cover. It's really quite herculan how much
you've tried to cover and tried to fit into this
And I think it's really impressive. And now you've come
out with a second edition that just came out a
couple months ago. What sort of updates went into that book?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Well, as we were doing our podcasts, we discovered that
people were really interested in Steven's abduction experiences, and before
we only put a few of them into the preface
just to give people an idea where we were coming from.
But we decided to give them their entire chapter all
to their own, and included pretty much all of them
that we could remember. Then we updated the UFO news,
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the latest news, what Congress has been up to in
the last few years, the new Arrow reporting organization and
what we think about them. Also the correction, of course,
which was important to me. I really didn't like having
the wrong name of the celestial impact in the book,
so that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm so thrilled that you heard that. That was one
of my biggest things. I was going to spend a
whole ten minute segment with you about how this doesn't
line up, this doesn't work, and you corrected it, and
God bless you. That's impressive to me. And the fact
that you guys just seem immersed in this and you
try to bet everything in it is really really incredible.
Good for you.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Yeah, and also too in our book, we also at
Contact in the Desert. We became good friends with Joshua Sissler.
We purchased one of the artifacts from Mexico that are
being dated through a couple of different methods including you know,
no carbon fourteen, but also the TGN, the terrestrial nuclear
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tied dating and and the proton the proton dating when
you're using things such as potassium and ragon. And some
of these artifacts are dating back to anywhere from two
thousand to thirty some one thousand years old, and they
have definitely they depict Sumerians and protoce Sumerian and Aliens
and UFOs, and they're legitimate finds.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
The Mexican government has been trying to say, oh, they're
just being made by the locals, but they're being found
too widespread and too many different areas. So anyway, so
we also have that in there, and also to at
backs at what Sitchen said that these Sumerians had a
foothold in South and Central America to way before supposedly
we were there.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Listen, guys, we don't have time to go into more
of this. I wish we did, because your theory and
your documentary and certainly your book and your updated book
is extremely ambitious. It literally looks at all the different
phenomenon out there related the UFOs and the paranormal literally hybrids,
ant people, bigfoot bases in Antarctica, dragons, dinosaurs, genetic manipulation, telepathy, abduction, Maelstrom, Eisenhower, cryptids,
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just just everything. And I'm just sort of impressed of
how you've taken each of these things and tried to
fit them into this idea. And I think it's impressive.
And who knows, I mean, none of us know where
what's real? So why is this not as strong as
anything else? I love how Whitley says he doesn't know
what they are. He hates that he's called the alien guy,
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and that's why he calls them the visitors because because
I don't know, I wonder what his thoughts on this
would be. I'm going to ask some other people what
their thoughts are, but I really appreciate you guys taking
the time to share that with us. If you guys
want to learn more about them, go to their website,
which is who they arebook dot com.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We're on Instagram at Leslie dot Shaw dot author, and
our documentary is on rokuplex, Apple TV and a bunch
of other platforms to be now and that's called who
They Are.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
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We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
As we talk with the top experts. Hi, and welcome
to Beyond Contact. Today we're going to be speaking with
Leslie and Stephen Shaw. They have been studying the UFO
phenomenon for decades. They are both UFO witnesses and Steven's
very psychic family were the victims of an alien abduction
phenomenon for at least four generations together, they combine artistic vision,
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scientific curiosity, and lived experience to shed light on what
may be happening with the UFO phenomenon. This will be
a very different kind of show for Beyond Contact as
we take a deep dive into speculation on one theory,
namely the idea that aliens actually may be human beings
living alongside of us below ground and across under the oceans.
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Hi guys, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Hi, good evening, Thank you so much for having.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Us, Absolutely glad to have you here. You know, we
are often discussing on this show how there seems to
be clearly some sort of interaction happening between us and
another intelligence. People sometimes use the term alien or visitor,
but we really never know for sure where they come
from or who they are. Definitively. The big guesses, of
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course are extraterrestrials meaning they come from another planet, interdimensional
beings meaning they come from another dimension outside of our universe.
There's the extra tempestrial idea, which is there us from
the future coming back. They might be consciousness based or
multiverse beings from a parallel world. They could even be
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some type of post biological civilization that are now an
artificial life form like AI. So there's a lot of
possibilities here. And then there's this idea that's sometimes called
intraterrestrial or crypto terrestrial, where there's a race of beings
that share the Earth with us, but live underground and
in the ocean and have evolved parallel to us. I
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think that's kind of where you guys sit on this right.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yes, definitely, as far as we were very much science oriented,
in fact oriented as far as what when you look
at things, we look at what is the most likely
and what makes the most sense. Okay, So a lot
of the theories that are out there are just they
just don't hold water, especially when I look at it
from my family's involvement for over four generations. So obviously
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there's a long term, a long time involvement, which is
just not travelers from the future.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yes, and as we started looking at the phenomenon decades ago,
we just couldn't make the data fit the theories. At
the time, the theories were that there was a federation
of these beings coming from all different star systems. But
when we applied the crypto terrestrial idea to our data,
suddenly everything just sneiacked into place and may started making sense.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's very interesting to me how much it does sort
of sync up with a lot of aspects of the
phenomenon that fit in with this idea. What is all
this based on? Is this start with the Sumerian text?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Well, part of it is part of our research, of
course we went into that, but a lot of it
too is actually coming out now. Even Luis Alessando's work
in Imminent, there's some a couple of very good chapters
that show that human beings that have psychic ability mean
real psychic ability and are being trained to do remote viewing,
have two areas of the brain that are hyper developed,
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which is the cott at putinin and the pera hippocampal gyrus.
And this goes across the boards. And we've also found
too that we call our cousins, not aliens. Our cousins
primarily communicate with us either in the astra realm or
through telepathy. And it seems to bear out the facts,
seem to bear out what the government has found.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And we discovered with abduction phenomenon was also coming the
hybrid alien breeding program. So many of these women that
are being utilized as incubators for four months, and then
they're later stealing the fetuses. We think that this is
also for their evidence that they're humans. They are actually
breeding with us by having sex. Women are claiming they're
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being raped by aliens. So you know, if you're having
sex with us and making babies, we think it's evidence
that they're human. They couldn't be anything else.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That is a very fair point. And there are many
cases of people who claim this that they've had stuck
with an alien, as they call it, and it would
make sense then that that does line up. So you
think it's sort of an offshoot, Why don't you explain
to us what you mean. You mean like it's an
offshoot of humanity that we all lived on the surface
of the Earth and then at one point part of
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us branched off in one underground, if you will. Is
that what you base this on.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I think it's kind of like the Deep Impact movie
thirteen thousand years ago. Oh the people of the planet.
We think they were more advanced than mainstream archaeology gives
this credit for at the time, and that the younger
dry ass comet impact of twelve eight hundred and fifty
years ago just scraped evidence of advanced society off the
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surface of the planet. It was a nearly extinction level event,
and we think this is the reason that the human
race separated, that some of us went underground to survive
this impact. Just like in that Deep Impact movie, they say,
you know, Plan A was for the astronauts to go
up into space and blow up the asteroid. But plan
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B was to think these deep underground cities so that
people could survive the impact. And we think that that's
what happened, and they took their technology and their culture
with them, whereas we few survivors on the surface were
thrown back into the Stone Age, and that's why they're
about twelve thousand years more advanced than we are.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
And the facts bear out as far as what has
been found of so many things. For instance, we know
that the commet was one hundred kilometers in diameter and
it was it basically broke apart as it is coming
through the Northern Hemisphere, setting all the forests of the
Northern Hemisphere on fire. At the same time, we know
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the Uslo Horizon has been documented and firmed up at
the exact same time. Also, what happened in the Bibles
you know, forewarning and fore knowledge, you know, go to
a high ground building, our dig underground like in Darren
c you for knowledge. So in other words, we had
to have had advanced astronomy for one thing. So there's
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so many facts that bear out the fact that also
to these impacts happen a lot more frequently than we
even realized when we first started researching, that they happened
fairly on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
There's also these incredible structures that were built in ancient
history that to a higher intelligence or technology that they
were able to do. That are you referring to this
Hiawatha crater? Is that? Is that what you're basing the sun?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Actually, one of the reasons we made a second edition
was that when we wrote the book, the Hiawatha Crater
seemed to be the most likely candidate for the extinction
level event, but later it was determined that that was
a un much older impact and that the younger Dryass
comet impact has since been dated correctly to twelve and
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fifty years ago. So when we found out we were wrong,
we scraped the egg off our faces and you know,
came out in social media with the new correction and
the new information, and now we've made the correction in
the book.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
And the reason we know it was a comment is
because of the shocked courts. If you have a direct
impact a for instance, from a meteor, it will cause
a different type of pattern as far as the shocked courts.
So this was an air burst strike. And so again
that's also been dated correctly to twelve, eight hundred and
fifty years ago, so we know that the event occurred.
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Also other things like at the time too that you
can tell that below the equator in countries like Peru
and Chile, the Earth was put into a drought period,
a severe drought period for a long period of time,
and the northern hemisphere basically rain for literally like for years. Okay,
so this is all documentable stuff, so we know this happened.
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And also a genetic bottleneck that occurred where ten thousand
surfaced individuals were only on the Earth about thirteen thousand
years ago, also more recent information. Do you document what
we're saying?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yes, the genetic engineers discovered that we're not as nearly
as diverse as we should be, and they attribute that
to a genetic bottleneck they call it where we were
reduced to almost ten thousand individuals at one point in
our existence, and we think it was the younger dry
As comment that did it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, that's great. You know both of those things
I looked into. And I'm glad you corrected that in
the book because that was one of the things I
wanted to ask you about because it seems like that
other thing is much much older. I'm really glad to
hear that, and that makes sense. And yes, we did
go down to about ten thousand, you know, people living
on the surface. I want to ask you about other
evidence about this. We're out of time, we're up against
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the break here. Let's catch that on the other side
and we come back and ask you guys about what
other signs were there that we had high technology. You're
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Speaker 2 (11:22):
We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron's speaking
with Steven and Leslie Shaw about the idea of crypto terrestrials.
You know, let's pick that back up here about the
idea that there was higher technology when we went all
the way down to ten thousand people. As you said,
that pretty much threw us back into the Stone Age
and we had to start over from day one. But
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if someone else was able to overcome that obstacle by
staying underground or existing in another place on Earth, perhaps
they could take their technology with them. What do you
point to, Like, wouldn't we have archaeological evidence of some
kind metal or something else that could survive or is
it just the stone monoliths.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
We actually have a lot of little artifacts that make
no sense in the normal timeline. They point to an
advanced civilization in prehistory prior to the flood. Our history
only goes back to the flood. But there's all kinds
of little artifacts. There's a there's a piece of mica
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that has hieroglyphs, Egyptian hieroglyphs carved into it. And mica
is one of the hardest stones there is. It would
be impossible without some sort of a water jet laser
cutter of some kind. All kinds of little things like
that that point to a civilization prior to this one.
And you know, Homosapien Sapien has been on this planet
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for at least one hundred and twenty thousand years, but
mainstream archaeology would have us believe that we set around
for one hundred and seven thoms years doing nothing, making
no advancements at all, until thirteen thousand years ago we
decided to just get some gumption up and build a
society and go to the moon. You know, we think
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that what we did was we evolved into an advanced race,
and the comet laid us low, and we've had to
you know, recover ever since.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, it's possible. Certainly, I think it's very fascinating.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
One of the things that I like about the straight
up extraterrestrial hypothesis is that it does not require anything theoretical, magical,
or supernatural. Even religions require a belief in those things.
The idea of extratrustrials you just need time and technology
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to travel here from another planet. That applies here as well. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
One thing I liked about our theories was that it
doesn't require theoretical physics to be true because they just
are here and have always been here with us. That's
why the phenomenon is pervasive and yet going back thousands
of years too. You don't need wormholes, you don't need
faster than light travel, you don't need interdimensional travel, you
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don't need time travel. None of these things have to
be true for our theories to be correct.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
What I look at a lot is what makes more sense.
You know, Occam's razor and the kiss method. For instance,
why did we see such a tremendous uptake in UFOs
being observed around about World War two? Okay, they live here,
they are concerned. They always have the same message, Now
take better care of the planet and stop playing with
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your nukes. Okay, it's the same message that repeats over
and over. Why would travelers that are coming from the
Pleiads or arc tourists or interdimensionals be so worried about
us and be wanting to breed with us and basicate
sang we need our cows and try and communicate with
us in so many different levels, including crops, or if
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they didn't also live here, and also too, they have
to be so so similar to us to be able
to breed a viable offspring that are not stereral. So
guess what, folks, they have to be very similar.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
And I think their ability to have telepathy with us
is further proof of it. We think that you'll probably
have to have very similar brains to be able to
think back and forth to one another.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I'll be damned, I'm pretty skeptical about a lot of
these things. But that also fits in nicely to the
folklore of this, that the telepathy. They must have some
sort of similarity physiologically to breed with us if they
are in fact doing that to communicate with us the
way they are, you know, and you're right, why would
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they have such an interest in nukes? Maybe it affects
other planets, or they live here and they don't want
us ruining here.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Tell us all, yeah, do you think it's possible that
they seated us or that they are in fact extraterrestrial
to begin with and they came here and stayed here
and evolved with us.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
This is a little bit of the rub but we
also discussed it in the book about the Ononaki and
interestingly enough that the old Onanaki cities that Sitchen talked
about below, in below the equator line around about South
Africa and Mozambique, they're finding them now. These were huge
megatropolises that were in the area of the Three Waters meeting,
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and we have found those. Now those actually do exist
and they're dating back to over two hundred thousand years ago.
So we are finding out that, yes, we did not
uplift ourselves three hundred thousand years ago. We had help.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, Okay, people asked, leslie, are aliens involved at all?
And I say, they're not the ones flying the ships
in our skies right now. Those are humans. But all
humans are part aliens. If we take this Sumerian tablets
as gospel, if we take the Sumerian on Anachi gods
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as real, and if they aren't real, they had all a
very long, successful backstory to their existence. You know, at
first I thought this was a lovely myth, but then
we kept finding evidence. It looks like we really were
uplifted three hundred thousand years ago. There's an edit job
on our genome.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, pipe in here. Jason Martella. Just a couple of
years ago, he did a lecture on that that it
looks like there was a cut and paste job done
around the broken his brain area which gave us the
ability to speak. And I want to make a correction
here too, actually just for the audience, that telepathy is
actually the most basic and the simplest way of communicating.
(17:46):
We have let it after feed as human beings. It's
kind of like the appendix of the brain in the
sense that we all have a telepathy. And that's why
our cousins, as we call him, they don't have to
speak ten thousand different languages because every memory, every thought
is laid down as a chemical process, so you don't
have to remember the word or tree in Swahili versus
(18:07):
the word tree in English. That's why they can communicate
with this. They did not lose the ability to use telepathy.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And we think telepathy is actually a human birth right. Yes,
as Stephen and I were doing Kundalini raising techniques, we
became you know, astral travelers, and we became more and
more telepathic as we did it. We realized that it's
something that can be trained into the human mind. And
we think our cousins continue to train for it regularly
(18:36):
and we don't. We've let it atrophy.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's so interesting and I like that you guys use
the word cousins because they are a branch of the human,
of our human ancestry. I guess that just branched off
and lived underground. And that's an interesting theory. It really is.
What about this idea in the alien community that there
are so many different races that people are encountering, like raise, reptilians, Nordics, mantis.
(19:02):
What about all these other types? How does that fit
in with this theory?
Speaker 6 (19:08):
I will harken back to how frequently these impacts, these
near extension level events do occur. And you can take
a look at every single one of these types they're
talking about. They're hominid in look, they're all bipedal hominids. Okay,
so you can take take a gray tall gray especially,
(19:28):
and they're not much different really in appearance than a tall,
skinny human being. The reptilians. In fact, even Karen Wilkinson,
who wrote our forward, talks about that too, how the
reptilians are actually indigenous to the planet. They're not that
much different than us. They are able to communicate with us,
they're able even in some cases to even breed with us.
(19:51):
It's a little bit frightening when you really look into
what's really going on. We are not in the camp
that they're all here to help us and uplift us.
They are basically opportunists that they want to live themselves,
and we are just happen to be eight billion noisy
neighbors on top right now that are just scaring them.
(20:13):
Really quite frankly, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
An interesting idea. Let's we got to take another break here, guys.
When we come back, we're going to ask you more
about this and get some more of the strongest evidence
you have to support this theory. You're listening to be
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We are back on beyond contact speaking with Stephen and
Leslie Shaw about this idea of crypto terrestrials. Are you
guys open to other possibilities or are you locked in
that this is the answer.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
We're pretty locked in from the standpoint of for instance,
with my family. But we won't go into in detail.
But when you start looking at what's been going on,
and the same entity keeps showing up over one hundred
and fifty year period and my missing time and basically
you know, sperm being stolen from me, coins being magnetized
(22:09):
in my pocket, that's not supposed to be possible. We
really see it as that this is the most likely scenario.
That is, that makes the most sense, that there really
us that went down most recent time twelve thousand eight
or fifty years ago to survive the catastrophe.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
There's a huge celestial impact fifty thousand years ago in India.
The lore in our crator maybe they went underground back
then too. There's all kinds of stories in our ancient
lore about civilizations retreating underground.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know, even if they did not go underground till
thirteen thousand years ago, they could be more than thirteen
thousand years ago ahead of us, because they would have
had any technology they had at that point when we
lost everything, So they were already at a certain degree
of sophistication. They would only keep going. For what's the
(23:01):
strongest piece of evidence that you have that you could
point to when you tell somebody about this, that such
a civilization could exist. What's the strongest piece of evidence?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I think a lot of it points to just the timing.
We didn't split the atom until the early part of
the nineteenth century. Rutherfer actually a New Zealand guy, did that.
He gets credit for that, and so then we had
to develop heavy water, and of course go back to
Italy in nineteen thirty three when there was a UFO
recovered and Mussolini was buddies with Hitler, and then of
(23:33):
course the White supremacy stuff. So when you're looking at
what happened, and the actions always speak louder than the words.
We developed the ability to split the atom and develop
nuclear technology, and then all of a sudden the food
fighters are showing up. We have all this increase in activity, okay,
and you know, legitimate increase. So we look at the
(23:55):
actions and what is happening. You're a concern that we're
going to blow them up too.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I think Admiral Bird also was very compelling for me.
The UFO documentary done in Russia about Admiral Bird and
the Operation High Jump being attacked by flying saucers. That
keys in for me with Admiral Bird flying into this
underground world to meet with the Ariani in his diary,
(24:22):
and the government has really suppressed a lot about Admiral Bird.
If you just try and get onto the Library of Congress,
you can hardly find anything about him at all. They're
still after all these years, have essentially wiped him from existence,
almost from history nearly. And I think it's because of
what happened to him and Antarctica. And we wouldn't base
(24:44):
it completely on just Admiral Bird's testimony, but there's a
lot of whistleblower weird whistleblower stuff coming out of Antarctica.
The giant hole that Admiral Bird describes is there. The
base that's been was discovered down there by this one
whistle entered this alien base at the South Pole. Other
(25:04):
whistleblowers who flew over the hole saw it reported it.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Also. Do you needed data too?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Oh, yes, you needed data. Right, there's cosmic rays are
coming up out of the ice sheet, right and uh
and that's impossible.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah. Brad Olson talks about a lot of that too,
but he also claims that these bases are runaway Nazi
bases in Antarctica, that they're not alien bases.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And you have to ask, okay, where did the Nazis
get their technology from? Yeah, maybe they are still in
existence down there working with the quote unquote the Ariani,
But where did they get their technology?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, Well, one of these things are very very suspect, though,
I mean, even the even the Admiral Byrd's diary is
very very controversial. A lot of these things aren't, aren't
for sure? You know, do we have who's the strong
whistleblower that has come out publicly and said that they've
interacted with somebody, you know, an alien being or I
guess so humanoid from underground? I don't, I don't. I
(26:03):
don't know of anybody. But off the top of my head,
do you guys have a name of somebody that's done that.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, we believe valiant thor.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Man. That is not a super credible story. Necessarily.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Snyder, talking about the underground bases, and well, yeah, well
he's also very controversial.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
All these guys are pretty controversial, right, and.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
He also he also supposedly strangled himself with a rubber hose,
So you.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Know, we would we would love to have concrete evidence,
but we are fighting against a government that is suppressing it,
and they have so much more power than we do.
After reading thousands of UFO accounts, I was also hearing
about how they keep coming up from the planet. They're
coming up out of lakes and oceans and up out
(26:50):
of mountains and volcanoes and maces and ridges. A hole
will open up on the side of a mountain, UFOs
will zipping and out of it. I kept hearing about
them being here already, and how these mountains, these that
they hollow out are UFO hotspots and they're all over
the place. If you hear about a mountain that's a
(27:11):
UFO hotspot, chances are there's an alien base inside it.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's interesting. I'm very curious about it, you know. I
feel like it's nice the way a lot of these
things line up. Do you feel like they're influencing our
society in any way?
Speaker 6 (27:28):
They can't help but do that they actually need us.
That's part of the whole thing too. They actually need us,
They're not trying to get rid of us. But if
you also look at, for instance, Wilkinson's work, she's of
the very very strong feeling with all her interactions and
having four children and being introduced to the hybrids, and
she's got a very Christian background, but she says that
(27:49):
you know, they are not here for our benefits. They
are here for their benefit, and they would like to
not just reintegrate with us, but basically replaces in the
sense with hybrids so they can come back to the surface.
And like say, my interactants too, with my missing time
and those coins being magnetized, and my whole family be
involved with this. You know when you see a blue
(28:11):
white being the six and a half feet tall, that's skinny,
that comes from behind you and basically paralyzes half your body,
says high Steve, and then magnetizes your coins and then
you lose time. And this has gone on my whole life,
and when I started looking into it back in four
generations is what we call unexplained events, but it has
(28:33):
a common thread. You know, we have a family handler
and his name is Old glegly, or at least used
to be.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Now if you think that they want to take over
perhaps and reappear to the surface and take their land back,
if you will.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
We can't be sure, but is the alien hybrid breeding
program a sign that they're trying to replace us or
they're trying to reintegrate with us. We'd like to give
them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe this
is a reintegration program.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
But they are technologically advanced more than we are. Wouldn't
they be able to do it at will if they
wanted to.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
It's a numbers game. There was eight billion.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I think.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I say myself that I think that we, the human
race on the surface, are an experiment that's gotten out
of control. I think they made some some agreements with us,
with both Truman and with Eisenhower, you know, the old
saying that you know, you can take all the calalyps
you want, just give us some of your technology. I
think they have been giving us some of their technology,
(29:36):
and we have been allowing people and animals to be
taken and used, but we have not been upholding our
part of the bargain.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
We think Eisenhower, you know, made this bargain because of
the technology, and we were entering the Cold War, they
were extra paranoid about Russia, and this technology could give
us an edge against what we feared was a very
dangerous opponent growing and you know, Russia. So I think
that kind of justifies why they did this. The technology
(30:06):
could give us an edge and war that would save
lives in the long run. So go ahead and abduct
the people you need, as long as you keep putting
them back, you know.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
And eisen Hower on his way out was very famous
for saying beware of the military industrial complex. And that
was his saying, without really saying it directly, that this
is going to be a problem, and it was foreseeing
the problem for the future for sure.
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Could they have not taken us over one hundred years ago,
for example, if they're just another branch of humanity, that's
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We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Stephen and
Leslie about the idea of these crypto terrestrials. Why do
they hide themselves from us? If there are just another
branch of humanity and they're way more advanced than us,
what would be the reason for them being so clandestine.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Well, there's a couple things, right therenumber One, they didn't
hide themselves from us forever. They came back to the
surface as teachers, the vera coaches, the quetsikotas, whatever you
want to say in China, you know, Huandi. They came
back to the surface to teach and educate and give
the civilization, stop us from being barbaric things such as
that animal husbandry. So they played gods for a long time. Okay,
(33:20):
So they didn't hide all, you know, for the whole time.
If you were to go cave exploring, a lot of
people would be claustrophobic. So there would probably be a
fair amount of people when we went subsurface, our cousins
that would be claustrophobic. But over a couple of generations,
the children that were being born subsurface, that would be
(33:41):
the world that they know. Okay, you have the geothermal
down there, you've got water, you've got resources. So they
did not stay down there the whole time. They did
come to the surface as teachers, and we think.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
They're mutating as they're down there, so they're becoming the
surface is becoming less and less palatable for them.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That would make sense, That's what typically happens with animals.
The next question, of course, would be why would they
then show themselves occasionally in UFOs and even interact with
humans through abductions. So they are if these are living
here and they have UFOs, we see those clearly, they've
let themselves be seen and they've even interacted with people
(34:21):
who have had experiences. So why do you think that
they would do that on such a limited basis? Why
not just show up?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I do have a theory. I mean I would love
to be in on their board meetings, you know, like
why do you do these things?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'd love to have them on the show to be
honest and get these answers.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But for sure, But I think years ago Eisenhower and
the cousins set a disclosure date that has since come
and gone, and we believe that it's actually us now
that's trying to keep the lid on this and keep
it secret. And yes, they have the ability to show
themselves to us anytime they want, but I think they
(35:01):
might be doing that only when they want something, when
they're trying to force the government's hand in some way.
That's what I think the Phoenix Lights event was, because
I mean, if they're not trying to show themselves to us,
what are they doing. They started in I believe it
was in Nevada, and then they crossed all of Arizona
(35:22):
into Mexico, making sure to go over the capital so
that the most people could see them. I think that
they're just trying to force concessions from our government.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, it's odd to me that they wouldn't just just
land it then everybody would know, you know. You know,
another thing about this government is perhaps another thing that
fits with your theory and the folklore, is that perhaps
the reason we don't have disclosure is because perhaps the
government would be aware that this is where they're from.
(35:53):
And it's one thing to say that there's a spaceman
doing a drive by checking us out, you know, with
a probe. It's another to say there's a superior race
and they live right under your feet being good. Think
that's part of the no disclosure thing. Oh yeah, m hmm, yep.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
You know, human on human or cousin on cousin of brutality.
You know, okay, did where did my uncle? Where did
my father go? That was a hunter that disappeared, like,
you know, with a bunch of other people there and
just disappeared and never was seen from again. Frequently from
Germanic background, And it's like, okay, how are you going
to have like a planet wide lawsuit against our against
(36:35):
our cousins? I mean, how are you going to deal
with it? I mean, people are very xenophobic. We're more xenophobic.
It's easier to point the finger up against a race
of tentacle monsters than it is to point the fingers down,
you know, saying these are basically human beings. It's it's
a very very sensitive subject and I think it's kind
of things have gotten out of control the way it's
(36:58):
looking as far as I can see.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
I'm thought of some evidence that I forgot to mention.
There was the hair of the alien.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
All the clear hair.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, the clear hair that tests as human. Bizarre human.
It tests is Gaelic and Basque and Chinese mixture of DNA,
but the DNA shows it as human. But the hair
is a mutant hair because there is no such thing
as a clear hair in humans. That right there, in
(37:28):
one little hair, we have proof that we're dealing with humans,
and proof that we're dealing with mutants, the.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Big mud human hair right exactly right right. What kind
of pushback do you guys get on this theory? People
must challenge this. There's a lot of areas. What what
is the biggest pushback you guys have found.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
The biggest pushback, honestly is religious. They say, oh, I believe,
I believe in Jesus, and aliens are just their demons.
That's the biggest pushback. We really get at their demons
and that this is all just all made up, and
or that were basically insane, you know something along there.
Either religious or we're insane, or you know pretty much
(38:12):
that's those are the two biggest pushbacks.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Your book is incredible. It's got so many different areas
that you guys cover. It's really quite herculan how much
you've tried to cover and tried to fit into this
And I think it's really impressive. And now you've come
out with a second edition that just came out a
couple months ago. What sort of updates went into that book?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Well, as we were doing our podcasts, we discovered that
people were really interested in Steven's abduction experiences, and before
we only put a few of them into the preface
just to give people an idea where we were coming from.
But we decided to give them their entire chapter all
to their own, and included pretty much all of them
that we could remember. Then we updated the UFO news,
(39:00):
the latest news, what Congress has been up to in
the last few years, the new Arrow reporting organization and
what we think about them. Also the correction, of course,
which was important to me. I really didn't like having
the wrong name of the celestial impact in the book,
so that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm so thrilled that you heard that. That was one
of my biggest things. I was going to spend a
whole ten minute segment with you about how this doesn't
line up, this doesn't work, and you corrected it, and
God bless you. That's impressive to me. And the fact
that you guys just seem immersed in this and you
try to bet everything in it is really really incredible.
Good for you.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Yeah, and also too in our book, we also at
Contact in the Desert. We became good friends with Joshua Sissler.
We purchased one of the artifacts from Mexico that are
being dated through a couple of different methods including you know,
no carbon fourteen, but also the TGN, the terrestrial nuclear
(39:59):
tied dating and and the proton the proton dating when
you're using things such as potassium and ragon. And some
of these artifacts are dating back to anywhere from two
thousand to thirty some one thousand years old, and they
have definitely they depict Sumerians and protoce Sumerian and Aliens
and UFOs, and they're legitimate finds.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
The Mexican government has been trying to say, oh, they're
just being made by the locals, but they're being found
too widespread and too many different areas. So anyway, so
we also have that in there, and also to at
backs at what Sitchen said that these Sumerians had a
foothold in South and Central America to way before supposedly
we were there.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Listen, guys, we don't have time to go into more
of this. I wish we did, because your theory and
your documentary and certainly your book and your updated book
is extremely ambitious. It literally looks at all the different
phenomenon out there related the UFOs and the paranormal literally hybrids,
ant people, bigfoot bases in Antarctica, dragons, dinosaurs, genetic manipulation, telepathy, abduction, Maelstrom, Eisenhower, cryptids,
(41:13):
just just everything. And I'm just sort of impressed of
how you've taken each of these things and tried to
fit them into this idea. And I think it's impressive.
And who knows, I mean, none of us know where
what's real? So why is this not as strong as
anything else? I love how Whitley says he doesn't know
what they are. He hates that he's called the alien guy,
(41:35):
and that's why he calls them the visitors because because
I don't know, I wonder what his thoughts on this
would be. I'm going to ask some other people what
their thoughts are, but I really appreciate you guys taking
the time to share that with us. If you guys
want to learn more about them, go to their website,
which is who they arebook dot com.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
We're on Instagram at Leslie dot Shaw dot author, and
our documentary is on rokuplex, Apple TV and a bunch
of other platforms to be now and that's called who
They Are.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Excellent and you guys can find me on Twitter and
Instagram as well at CID Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected
by checking out contactindthedesert dot com. Stay open minded and
rational as we explore the unknown right here on the
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