January 23, 2026 • 41 mins
Enjoy this episode of Beyond Contact as Chemist and Material Scientist Steve Colbern joins Captain Ron to discuss his findings and analysis of several alien implants that Dr. Roger Leir extracted from his patients.
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain ronin Today we're
speaking with Steve Colburn. Steve is a chemist material scientist
with over twenty years of industrial experience. He is currently
working in the areas of carbon enameno tubes. From two
thousand and eight to twenty fourteen, Steve has analyzed several
alleged alien implants that doctor Roger Lear removed from his
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patients and has uncovered some very interesting findings. He has
also analyzed alleged UFO crash debris and other physical evidence
found in and around UFO experiences of alien contact. Hi, Steve, welcome,
rid to be here. I really appreciate you taking the time.
I'm fascinated by this. This may be one of the
areas where we actually can get some physical evidence. And
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this is a very interesting corner of the UFO community.
You know, it's the kind of physical evidence that I
think we've been waiting for. Yet it's not really talked
about very often. This is sort of something off in
the side. And I know you worked with doctor Lear
and had a chance to analyze some of his implants
and remove them from people who claimed they were implanted
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during an alien encounter. Can you tell us the kind
of things you see in these implants.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Well, they're often covered with a layer of epithelial tissue
where a or a gray membrane that's very hard to
cut that conducts electricity, and the epithelia tissue that covers
some of them is out of place in the body.
It's you know, within a past of skin where it's
not supposed to be, and there's generally a layer of
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calcium rich and phosphate rich material that seems like a
biological hard part. It looks like mother of pearl or
bone under the microscope, and it presumably has enzymes in
it that caused the formation of the outer layer. The
implants have appropriate separate nerves growing into them, which are
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also anomalous. They're usually nerves that tell the body what
position that that particular part is in, and presumably those
nerves connect the device to the nervous system, and there's
bundles of carbon nanotubes that I think are the main
wires to the device. They connect to those nerves. Cours
of the device is usually meteoric iron or some alloy
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of meteoric iron with ordinary iron and on at least
one of the objects. This alloy apparently had a very
modified crystal structure and contained a lot of carbon nanotube
as well dispersed, and it was incredibly hard and incredibly strong.
We need diamond tools to cut it. I usually cut
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the implants in half the core and half when we're
doing the analysis to see the interior, and usually you
can cut it with a pair of wire cutters, but
I couldn't cut it. And told doctor Allier that I
couldn't cut this thing, and he took it to a
machine shop, and the guy at the machine shop tried
to cut it with diamond tools and couldn't cut it,
and he said that scared the heck out of him.
They're working on alloys like that with carbon nanotubes in
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earthly silence, but we haven't really perfected it yet. This
is apparently is old technology to the aliens, and carbon nanotubes,
by the way, are the world's strongest known material, so
you can reinforce in theory at least other materials with them.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So this is clearly not just a piece of metal
that you got as a kid that went in their
foot that was from a nail or something like. This
is obviously an advanced technology for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They're either pure mediate. The core is usually either pure
mediaorc iron or mediaorc iron alloied alloyed with some other element,
usually iron. They also give off radio signals before middle
from the body, so they're actually there are actual devices
and in the inside. The metal in these things is
bundles of carbon Dano tubes that presumably act as the
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electronics for the device, as carbon nanotubes also have interesting
electrical properties. Some are some are highly conductive metallic carbon nanotubes,
and some are semiconducting. And the semiconducting ones you can
use to make diodes and transistors and in theory computer
systems and such. So these things could be tiny supercomputers
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for all we know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Is it possible that it's our technology, that maybe this
is a human thing? I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Everybody that I've shown this to you that is technologically
savvy thinks that that's beyond our technology. If it were
our technology, it would have to be a black project
all the way, and at least one hundred years in
advance of anything we have.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, it's really interesting that the people that bring these
to doctor Lear, who did bring these, claim they already
have had an experience where they remember being implanted by
an alien encounter.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So I can't believe it's our technology for that reason alone,
because just everybody that's ever come to that came to
Doctor Layer and wanted an implant removed remembered aliens. They
didn't remember government personnel putting them in.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Right. Is there anything else that points to this being
of alien in nature.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Well, yeah, the isotopes. You can do isotopic analysis on
the elements and objects to try to see where it
came from. And there's this characteristic pattern of isotope amounts
in each element on Earth. If the ratios of these
isotopes that's nuclear with different numbers of neutrons and the
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same number of protons, If the ratios of these isotopes
are off by more than a percent or so, then
it came from off planet. Some of these things had
isotopic ratio is so skewed that we think that it
came from a different part of the galaxy. We're let
alone from the Solar System.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You know what's amazing is I think that came right
out of the Corbell film that you were feed in
Project seventeen. That nanophysicist Christopher Cee. I think is how
he's credited in the film. He stated incredible things at
the end of that movie where he said he flat
out says, this is an astounding number of elements. I
have no idea who would make such a thing. It's
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very complex that he's never seen it before, and specifically
what you're talking about, Steve, He pointed out that the
isotopic ratios to him, pointed out that it could not
be from our Solar system, so not even like a
media or something that came from the moon. He said,
it could not be from our solar system.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Right, the isopic ratios on planets in the Solar System
are off from Earth from earthly ratios, but not by
that much, not nearly that much. And there's there's so
many different elements in these things that that's unusual in itself.
Might be the one that came out of my toe
contained fifty six different elements, as I recall, and that's
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how it's highly unusual. And yeah, Nano Man or you know,
Carbell called him nan and Man when I was associated
with him, thought that it was less conservative than I
was about what these things might be. And yeah, I
agree with that totally, that it probably can't. The material
probably came from a different part of the galaxy. And
I noticed that isotopes with the higher numbers of neutrons
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were over represented, so that probably indicates that the materials
came from closer to the center of the galaxy where
there's heavier mass supernova. All these heavy elements are manufactured
elements heavier than iron are manufactured and supernova explosions, and
in theory, the bigger the star, the higher the neutron
flux during the explosion, and you should in theory at
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isotopes with higher numbers of neutrons with heavier stars and
heavier supernova explosions, and those would occur more often near
the center of the galaxy.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So, Steve, what's the problem here. You've analyzed this, this
is your field, the nanophysicists analyze it, and you guys
are saying this couldn't even be from our solar system.
So why is this not you know, front page news,
and why is not mainstream scientists saying, oh my god,
what could this possibly be?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Well, I think it's just because the government doesn't want
to talk about I self published a couple of papers
on the implants, and I was expecting the press to
be alerted and reporters to be at my door, but
the silence was deafening.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's just incredible.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It was so a few years ago and just now,
just now that people are taking an interest in this,
even even a lot of people that are that are
debunkers are are being debunked themselves. When this comes to
light saying that you know, this is a heck of
a lot of daties put out there to just dismiss
I was using state of the art equipment, and I
don't think anything like this has ever been done before
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in civilian science. I'm sure the government has a lot
of analysis like this, but it's all classified. I'm surprised
that Nanaman was willing to come to the fore and
those conclusions publicly.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Agreed, and it almost be exactly what we're looking for, Steve.
We want physical evidence. This is the kind of proof
that this community has been pushing for, and I wish
people would pay more attention to it. Maybe they will
now because this is what we're looking for. Yeah, we
need to take a break here, Steve. We come back.
We're going to ask you if there's been any follow
up with these patients to see if there's been any
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repercussions from the alleged aliens in response to having these
implants removed. I would think they would probably react negatively
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Speaker 4 (11:22):
We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Steve Coleburn
about alien implants. Steve, do you know has anyone ever
followed up with these patients that have had these things removed?
And you know, has there been repercussions from from.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yes, there have been. First to react to what you
said before, I mean, yes, we need to go beyond
beyond just anecdotal evidence and people's stories to concentrating on
the physical evidence that we have. And there's a considerable
amount these people. Let's say that there's no physical evidence
of this. I don't know what they're talking about. But
as far as repercussions, yeah, there have been some repercussions.
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I know Patient sixteen went into a deep depression after
the implant was removed, and I can't help but think
that it was related to the device being removed from
this nervous system. I remember the aliens telling me during
an experience that removing an implant in the brain would
probably be fatal because the nervous system grows to depend
on it or function with it somehow.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well, how many of these do we have? Did did
doctor Lair take out seventeen implants?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Analyze I think five. I'd rather not say where they
are now. But he had most of them, but I
had a few.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But okay, Well, but obviously they're still safe and available,
is the question? Yes, they are, okay, So if that's
the case, then don't you think we maybe have Has
there been new technology that we've developed? Technology has been
advancing so fast recently, it seems like there's probably new
technology to analyze these. Perhaps we could get even stronger evidence.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. I mean there's some technology
that's become available in the last ten or fifteen years.
It's not common, but it's available at the national labs
and at some of the better quick private labs. I
think we'd want to go beyond just elemental analysis and
conventional scanning electron microscopy and actually actually use fast ADAM
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bombardment to etch off layer by layer of these things
and see what's and map the elements in them layer
by layer, is the networks of carbon, nanotise things, the
electronics of the device, or three dimensional I think that
we should do more research on the objects before they're
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removed from the body and analyze some of these signals
that the e of off.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I think that's the other big question, Steve, is anybody
picking up the mantle. I mean, doctor Layer passed away
in twenty fourteen. I don't know of another surgeon that's
really taking this up, do you.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
That was a guy in Alaska did a couple of surgeries,
but I don't think he's really picked up the mantle
and done a whole bunch of them or anything. Doctor
Lear was kind of one of a kind. I wouldn't
be surprised if any doctor that tried to do this
again would be leaned on to stop. I know doctor
Lear had some problems with some unjustified problems with the
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authorities over this. They tried to trump up some charges
against him and tried to lift his license and stuff.
They weren't successful, but it was all harassment based on
his research.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I can imagine that. I just feel like this is
an area that we could I'm surprised they're not coming
after the implants. An organization like ERROW or somebody would
be coming after that. Trying to get that is the
limitation that it takes money to do this too. It's
expensive to get these kind of tests.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Oh yeah, I mean money's tight right now. And each
if you pay for it, analysis like ICTMS inductively coupled
plasma mass spectrometry, which is a sensitive elemental analysis Solomon
analysis that we've done on the cores of these devices
as a routine thing. I've had a protocol for analysis
of these things, and that's that's one of the last steps.
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And each one of those analysis is like five analyses,
like five hundred bucks. If you send it out, may
have gone up in price since then. Sure it costs
thousands of dollars to do this research, and big donors
are I think, being encouraged not to contribute to this
kind of research.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's really kind of falling to the wayside. You do
not hear about this at all. Now you've looked at
five of these you mentioned. Are these implants very similar
or are they distinctly different? Like would you guess that
they were from the same type of alien doing the
same type of I think so.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
A lot of a lot of them are similar, but
there are some that are quite different. The type I
mentioned with a metal core and either epithelial tissue around
it or that gray hard to cut electrically conductive membrane,
and those have meteoric iron cores, like I said. And
there's also different types. There's a type that moves around
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inside the body using tiny cilia. Whitley Streeber has one
of those in his ear, and a doctor Lerma from
Texas tried to remove it and got a little piece
of it, and that's how we know that they have cilia.
Doctor Lear was going to remove it but really changed
his mind, and so another patient took its place. But
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so far we have not successfully removed one of those.
But there's also a biological implant that doctor Lear found
on one occasion. It was under a lady's flight attendance,
the skin of her forearm, and it would move around
under the skin. It was like the size of a
small pe, he said. It would It would move within
a prescribed circular area about maybe three inches in diameter,
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and would follow your finger if you put your finger
above it and moved it slowly.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
See what else could do that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't know. It had a not that much analysis
was done it, unfortunately it had It had a cellular
structure if a doctor Layer said the cells were much
smaller than than human cells. And it was alive apparently,
but that's about all we know about it. He said
it was like a clam, like a bi valve, and
had ridges on it that presumably enabled it to move
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into the skin while I was opening and closing its shells.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Whatever. Interesting you know, if these are indeed alien, what
do you suspect that they're for? Are they tracking devices?
Are they checking biofeedback? Or are they controlling people? Somehow?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I liketed to mention there's brain implants to you that
they that they put in, usually through your nose. Willie
Strieber mentioned that in this book Communion, those can be
used to you. It might pin into at least partially
control people. They can they can implant suggestions that are
very difficult to ignore because the subject almost always thinks
it's their idea, and they're they're all tracking device or
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a pribe. And I think a lot of them, a
lot of them measure physiological information, like kind of like
the instruments we put on astronauts, blood sugar, body temperature movement,
and things like that. The ones that move around in
the body are we're not I'm not sure what those
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do exactly, but it's probably something to do with communication.
They give off radio signals whenever you're talking about aliens
or going to UFO conferences, things like that. That's what
I've heard from several people.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, that's interesting. It's also a big thing in the
in the folklore or whatever in traditions from people who
have had an experience. They do say that it's gone
right up my nose. They stuck something in my nose.
That's like a common reoccurring thing that I've heard many times.
Have any of these patients ever Have you heard them
say what they think it does.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Well, I probably have one or more myself. They're they're
very difficult to detect. You can't see him on X
ray because they're made of a conductive polymer. I analyzed
one of those one time that somebody gave me that
didn't get up into the brain and it was sneezed
out by the subject.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I remember them telling me that they were made of
a conductive polymer, and I confirmed that by the analysis
that it was organic and conducted electricity they had. It
has a st membrane that dissolves, and then the inner
part is a conductive polymer that I suspect uses material
from the body to grow tendrils all throughout the brain.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
All of these have some piece of metal at the
core though, right.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Either metal or a conductive polymer. You know, they have
a conductive material at the core and you can detect
them with a studfinder or metal detector.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Wow. When we come back, we're going to ask Steve
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We are back on beyond contact. Speaking with Steve Colburn, Steve,
is there any other sort of physical evidence that you've
examined that you think could be proof of aliens?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Well, I examined some of the debris from the San Agustin,
New Mexico UFO crash. Those are mostly pieces of aluminum
with a whole bunch of elements in them. Like the implants,
their physical properties were not that impressive. I was surprised
to find that out. The number of elements in them
was very unusual, and there was a lot of rare
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earth elements in them. And I know that they're experimenting
with that alloying aluminum with rare earths now to increase
the strength and alter its properties. And I've analyzed a
piece of metal that came from that allegedly came from
a UFO that landed in the Andes Mountain, and UFOs
in trouble often emit molten metal. I think there's a
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there's a homopolar generator aspect of They used like three
different methods to create any gravity thrusts, but one of
them is a ring of rotating molten metal around the
edge of the craft in a magnetic field that the
craft has mechanical difficulty sometimes the jettison some of this metal.
And this metal turned out to be an alloy with
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iron and silicon. I think the silicon is most likely
in there to lower the melting point and maybe to
alter the electrical properties as well. One of the samples
from the San Augustine UFO crash was interesting in that
that most of the samples had a bunch of elements
in them this one, but this one was almost pure
aluminum and and made sparks when you put it against
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the grinding wheel, and regular aluminum didn't do that. It
just kind of kind of melts. And yeah, this this,
this piece of aluminum was really pure aluminum, and I
suspect it was a aluminum metal with an almost perfect
crystal structure. That's one of the things they're experimenting with
to increase the strength of metals in earthly silence.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's interesting, you know, we hear about all these different
types of physical evidence, from implants to alleged pieces of
UFO craft as you mentioned that comes up now, and
then to marks left behind like an alien handprint or
even soil samples where.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, I had I had a had five fingered handprints
on my bedroom wall and my my house in my
old house in Fillmore, California, and Barbara did too, actually
in her old apartment. There's alien indelible dies that are
usually left behind after an alien alien experience, and they
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fless fluores brightly under shortwave VV and take weeks to
come off, so they're pretty careteristic.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I guess that analyzed.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I tried. It's so hard to get off the substrate
that it's hard to get enough and solution for a
good analysis. But I got a good fluorescent spectrum on
the blue dye. There's a blue dye, a green dye,
a yellow green dye, and an orange dye are commonly seen.
I got a pretty good fluorescent spectrum on the blue dye,
and that tend to indicate that there was an indol
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ring in it, which that's found in the amino acid triptophane.
It's also found in certain plocgenic drugs like psilocybin real est.
So it's possible if they use this material to increase
their telepath of control over people, or it might be
a drug of some kind or probably a disinfectant. It
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seems to have some medical use anyway, this blue dye.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It's very interesting that there is this physical evidence, these
little trace evidence cases that seem to again be under
presented it. What do you think of all these different types,
you know, and even there's radiation often detected, of all
these different things, what do you think is the strongest
physical evidence that we have that you could point to
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that there is an alien presence?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Probably the implants. They're actually actual sophisticated nanotechnological devices that
most people say are beyond that. I've seen them, will
say they're beyond that, are beyond our technology. So I'd
say that they were definitely the strongest physical evidence we
have thus far, but there's a lot of other evidence.
I mean, any experiencers out there they're listening to this podcast.
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All you have to do is get a steadfinder from
the store, a small metal detector usually use to detect
nails and walls, and a short wave of ultraviole alight,
usually used for finding fluorescent minerals, and you can find
some physical evidence of your own. You can detect implants
and also see when you when you've had recent alien
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contact by the dye is look behind on your skin.
I get a lot on me. I can send you
a couple of pictures if you like for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That's fascinating. Now, you mentioned that you had this experience
where you saw, I guess, an alien handprint on your wall.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Doctor Lee came over to my Filmore house and did
a through walk through in analysis with his instruments, and
one of the first things we found. The things we
found was a couple of four fingered handprints, child size
four fingered handprints on the wall right next to where
I sleep.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's scary as well.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, photographed that as well. He was blown away.
I mean there were also. One other piece of physical
evidence is that things that don't normally magnetize give up
magnetic fields. Alien equipment apparently gives off a type of
magnetic field that will cause organic material and other things
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to magnetize. The things that don't normally magnetize, things like
aluminum stainless steel, would.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Did you have wooden spoons in your kitchen become magnetized?
That's correct, Yeah, I mean that's bizarre right there.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah, it is a blue doctor lear Away. And the
magnetic fields in these materials that are that are abnormally
magnetized seem to seem to decrease over a period of weeks,
so it doesn't last forever like with ordinary magnetic material.
But it's it's very interesting that I suspect it some
sort of a man it's either an ultra strong magnetic
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field or some sort of a magnetic monopole, or a
field with one one type of pole stronger than the other.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
It does, though, Now has anyone come to analyze that
or kind of try to figure out what's happening.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I speculate that the magnetic field that they're using magnetizes
the fabrica space itself, and that kind of soaks into
objects around it and then leaks out over time. But
that's I've never heard anybody else come up to any
theories about it, Like.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Did you save any of these artifacts? Like did you
cut out that piece of the wall with the handprint?
Did you? Oh? Yeah, yeah you did, so we still
have that.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Well, it was stolen a few months back, but I
had no I wish I were.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh God, but do you have the other things, like
the spoons or any of these things that we could
still have checked? Well?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I monitored them for quite some time, but the magnetic
field goes away over about an eight week period generally,
so there's nothing to find.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Now, I see. And do you have any any guesses
as to what could have caused this short term change?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I mean in the magnetic fields? Yes, yeah, Like I said,
I think that the magnetic field that they're using is
probably a magnetic monopole, or at least a field with
one pole stronger than the other. There's been some reports
of that with amateur scientists that are into magnets. I
think that it causes a magnetic polarity in the fabric
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of space itself, and that can soak into objects and
give them a magnetic field and then soak out or
go away over time.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Have you seen these sort of anomalies in other cases
besides your own?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Oh yeah, I've investigated several people's houses that are frequent
flyer experience ers, shall we say.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Right right? Which tends to be the case in fact,
we come back. We want to ask you more about that, Steve,
if you would, We're going to ask you about more
about your personal experiences regarding your et contact. You're listening
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Speaker 4 (31:39):
We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Steve
Colburn about his personal experiences with et contact. Steve, have
you had these contact experiences your entire life? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I think so. I remember when I was five years
old seeing a right yellow UFO that looked a lot
like Lazaar's sport model hovering over my parents' house. That
was maybe four in the morning before sunrise. I stared
at it for a couple of minutes and then locked
out and woke up after the sun rose about maybe
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eight am, and I had blood all down the front
of me, and Bailey remembered somebody putting something up my nose, and.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, that's very common. We hear that time and time again.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, and right after that. I right after that, like
turning on a switch. I was interested in anything to
do with space or aliens, or UFOs and you were
not previously, well, not as much now. I mean, it
became kind of a kind of a mild obsession after
the inflant in me, which I think is what they did.
I just had a vague feeling that something was going
on at night that I didn't know, I didn't know about,
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or couldn't remember. I was afraid of the closet and
monsters under the bed and all that kind of thing.
And maybe that's for real experiencers.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Then, I remember when I was in my twenties, I
had an experience where we had a vacation place in
Bullhead City, Arizona. I was driving from Barstow to Needles.
On the last leg of the trip, I got about
five miles outside Barstow. Then the next thing I remember,
I was pulling in the Needles and didn't have any
memory of the previous two hundred miles driven. Then another time,
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on the same highway, Highway forty, I was traveling the
opposite direction at night. The first experience took place in
the daytime. I was traveling the opposite direction at night,
about when it was nineteen eighty nine. I looked at
the clock and it was about ten o'clock. Then I
looked at the clock what seemed like thirty seconds later,
and it was one o'clock in the morning. I stopped
at the nearest town, which is Ludlow, California, and checked
(33:36):
their clock just to make sure that it wasn't some
screw up with my car clock or something, And indeed
three hours had passed that I couldn't account for.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Again, that's a common thing in people's accounts, and it's interesting,
this missing time element.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, another time, on the same road a few months later,
I saw a yellow, glowing UFO must have been a
quarter mile in diameter. It's the biggest discshaped when they make.
It was paralleling the highway, not going very fast, and
cars were full knock at it. It discharged several smaller objects,
then finally disappeared behind the mountain. That was one of
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my best close up sidings.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's an interesting account. Sure, what was it like when
you encountered beings? Did they appear like stereotypical gray aliens
or was it something different?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, stereotypical grace, and I remember getting hypnotized. I regressed
over that incident where I had the three missing hours,
and I remembered under hypnosis that they told me telepath
for me to pull over, and I pulled over after
first trying first hitting the gas and trying to get
away from this UFO that was hovering over me. There's
a strange phenomenon where they have a different personality track
(34:45):
set up for you when you're with them. It's kind
of like the movie Total Recall, where Arnold had his
Mars personality and his Earth personality that they that they'd
put in there. It's like that with with alien abduction.
That's why you don't remember. It's because the memories are
still there, but they're on a different person track. They
connected with the subconscious sometimes during dreams. But anyway, I
pulled over and my second personality kicked in. They pulled,
(35:08):
I pulled over, and an alien beamed into onto the
pavement near the driver's side of the car where I stopped.
Everybody as a handler, at least that's my understanding this
guy was. I was, I believe my handler, and he said,
you know, Colburn, somebody at your level should know better
than to try to run from us. Wow, I go,
(35:30):
I'm sorry, sir. It took a while for my memory
to kick in. And then he said go with them
and collect some samples. I walked off the road with
a couple of worker Grays and they had a UFO
landed nearby, and there were a bunch of people in
there that they just collected from the LA area. I
don't want to go into it too far. It's pretty
kind of disturbing.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's fine. I just want to know. Do you have
an impression that they were biological, technological, or something completely different.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I think there are beings that have had technology for
so long that they've messed themselves up with it and
adapted to it. I think that the Grays used to
be like us, but they've been messed up by exposure
to radiation, over use of technology like genetic engineering and transporters.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Taken to an extreme.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah, take into an extreme. And I think they genetically
engineered themselves to have a higher IQ and then eliminated
emotion to facilitate having higher intelligence. They realized now that
was a mistake, and they're trying to get some members
of their society that going that have emotions again.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
And you've put that slightly different than I've ever heard before,
and I think it sounds like it resonates to me.
I really do feel that's fascinating. Do you have a
takeaway message that you perhaps got from them?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
They told me that this is a very important planet
and it's very valuable. They don't want people messing it up.
There's only four or five like it in the galaxy.
Planets where there's some air and some water and some
life are pretty common, but planets that are teeming with
life like this, that have nollions of species are not
common at all, and they don't want it messed up.
They're very concerned about our nuclear weapons programs, and they've
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taken steps to control that behind the scenes. They also
told me that most experiencers are genetically modified. They have
an mo where they abduct pregnant women from bloodlines that
are interested in and genetically modify it.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Vius interesting. Have you had any other physiological ramifications from
having these encounters?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, I have a cluster headaches, very painful migraine type headaches,
and I have reason to believe that it's a side
effect of a brain implant. The condition is rare in
the general population, maybe one in one in a thousand
to one in ten thousand people out in the general population,
but it's very common an experience er. It's probably about
twenty to forty percent of experiencers have the condition, and
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they can trigger them at will. To remember one time
when doctor Lair and I were going to this lady's
house to in San Diego to analyze her place and
try to find some physical evidence. She called us up
and said that she couldn't make it because she had
a cluster headache. I remember thinking that when I had
before I learned how to treat him. I remember thinking
when I had one of those headaches that she had,
(38:09):
even morphine wuldn't touch the pain. And sure enough she
said the same thing that they took her to the
emergency room and gave her morphine and it didn't help.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Incredible. Do you do you think that overall you've had
anything that you would consider positive from these encounters, that
the effectuld you in a positive way at all.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Well, I think I know a lot of things that
most people don't know. But it makes it hard to
fit in down here with other people. It's like being
a different subspecies or something. A lot of people have
said the same thing that I've talked to you at conferences.
There's some positive aspects to it. You get to fly
in space, even though you don't remember it very well.
A lot of these abjections take place in orbit on
(38:46):
gray motherships. I suppose that's a positive aspect to it,
but in general it's mostly negative. I guess I'm sorry.
I don't I don't mean to portray myself as a
victim or experience, or as victims in general, but it's
like we're part time slaves. They wanted, they want our
help with their program. They need to take better care
of us.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
If they're going to want in your help or demanding
of your help, it sounds more like the latter.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, you have no choice. I mean they can with
their telepathy, they can make you do anything they want to.
That's one thing that really that's one thing that really
scared me when I first got regressed, is that I
would do anything these people said when I was under
that in that state.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
All the more I think that we wouldn't get disclosure
officially from the government if they know that this is
what's happening, because that's scary beyond all help.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Well, that's why they're experts at mind control. I mean
that they can they can implant suggestions and if they're
within a certain distance. They can make you do anything
that they want you to do. They come into your
bedroom at night, take you and come into our cars,
and we're driving places, and that Garnwell could cause.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Panic, I would think so Jesus.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Then again, people can only panic for so long. I
think they should have come clean on this in nineteen
forty seven, after Roswell.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I agree, all right, Steve, we're out of time, but
I really really appreciate you sharing all your insights. It's
absolutely fascinating stuff, and I think that implants is something
we need someone to take up the mantle and pick
up where doctor Lear left off. I agree with our
opportunity to get physical evidence. That's that that we need,
you know, and maybe we can learn more about what
they're doing and how they're doing it.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
I've tried to find find a doctor that could help
with this, and so far nobody's interested. They're too scared
of their reputation and everything. I guess I can't blame them.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I can imagine that, but maybe things are changing and
I will certainly keep my radar up for such a thing. Steve,
thanks everyone for listening. You can find Steve at Alienevidenceinc.
Dot webs dot com. See what what what? Do you
have a number you want people to reach out to.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
If anybody wants a scan for alien evidence, implants and
evidence recent alien contact, they can call me at eight
oh five seven one eight one eight. We can scan
you with an ultraviolet light and studfinder and magnetometer and
a couple other instruments.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Awesome, Thanks Steve, Thank you. You can find me at
Twitter and Instagram, at c I t D underscore captain
Ron contacting thedesert dot com, and stay open minded and
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain ronin Today we're
speaking with Steve Colburn. Steve is a chemist material scientist
with over twenty years of industrial experience. He is currently
working in the areas of carbon enameno tubes. From two
thousand and eight to twenty fourteen, Steve has analyzed several
alleged alien implants that doctor Roger Lear removed from his
(01:33):
patients and has uncovered some very interesting findings. He has
also analyzed alleged UFO crash debris and other physical evidence
found in and around UFO experiences of alien contact. Hi, Steve, welcome,
rid to be here. I really appreciate you taking the time.
I'm fascinated by this. This may be one of the
areas where we actually can get some physical evidence. And
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this is a very interesting corner of the UFO community.
You know, it's the kind of physical evidence that I
think we've been waiting for. Yet it's not really talked
about very often. This is sort of something off in
the side. And I know you worked with doctor Lear
and had a chance to analyze some of his implants
and remove them from people who claimed they were implanted
(02:18):
during an alien encounter. Can you tell us the kind
of things you see in these implants.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Well, they're often covered with a layer of epithelial tissue
where a or a gray membrane that's very hard to
cut that conducts electricity, and the epithelia tissue that covers
some of them is out of place in the body.
It's you know, within a past of skin where it's
not supposed to be, and there's generally a layer of
(02:44):
calcium rich and phosphate rich material that seems like a
biological hard part. It looks like mother of pearl or
bone under the microscope, and it presumably has enzymes in
it that caused the formation of the outer layer. The
implants have appropriate separate nerves growing into them, which are
(03:05):
also anomalous. They're usually nerves that tell the body what
position that that particular part is in, and presumably those
nerves connect the device to the nervous system, and there's
bundles of carbon nanotubes that I think are the main
wires to the device. They connect to those nerves. Cours
of the device is usually meteoric iron or some alloy
(03:27):
of meteoric iron with ordinary iron and on at least
one of the objects. This alloy apparently had a very
modified crystal structure and contained a lot of carbon nanotube
as well dispersed, and it was incredibly hard and incredibly strong.
We need diamond tools to cut it. I usually cut
(03:49):
the implants in half the core and half when we're
doing the analysis to see the interior, and usually you
can cut it with a pair of wire cutters, but
I couldn't cut it. And told doctor Allier that I
couldn't cut this thing, and he took it to a
machine shop, and the guy at the machine shop tried
to cut it with diamond tools and couldn't cut it,
and he said that scared the heck out of him.
They're working on alloys like that with carbon nanotubes in
(04:13):
earthly silence, but we haven't really perfected it yet. This
is apparently is old technology to the aliens, and carbon nanotubes,
by the way, are the world's strongest known material, so
you can reinforce in theory at least other materials with them.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
So this is clearly not just a piece of metal
that you got as a kid that went in their
foot that was from a nail or something like. This
is obviously an advanced technology for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
They're either pure mediate. The core is usually either pure
mediaorc iron or mediaorc iron alloied alloyed with some other element,
usually iron. They also give off radio signals before middle
from the body, so they're actually there are actual devices
and in the inside. The metal in these things is
bundles of carbon Dano tubes that presumably act as the
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electronics for the device, as carbon nanotubes also have interesting
electrical properties. Some are some are highly conductive metallic carbon nanotubes,
and some are semiconducting. And the semiconducting ones you can
use to make diodes and transistors and in theory computer
systems and such. So these things could be tiny supercomputers
(05:23):
for all we know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Is it possible that it's our technology, that maybe this
is a human thing? I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Everybody that I've shown this to you that is technologically
savvy thinks that that's beyond our technology. If it were
our technology, it would have to be a black project
all the way, and at least one hundred years in
advance of anything we have.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, it's really interesting that the people that bring these
to doctor Lear, who did bring these, claim they already
have had an experience where they remember being implanted by
an alien encounter.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So I can't believe it's our technology for that reason alone,
because just everybody that's ever come to that came to
Doctor Layer and wanted an implant removed remembered aliens. They
didn't remember government personnel putting them in.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Right. Is there anything else that points to this being
of alien in nature.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Well, yeah, the isotopes. You can do isotopic analysis on
the elements and objects to try to see where it
came from. And there's this characteristic pattern of isotope amounts
in each element on Earth. If the ratios of these
isotopes that's nuclear with different numbers of neutrons and the
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same number of protons, If the ratios of these isotopes
are off by more than a percent or so, then
it came from off planet. Some of these things had
isotopic ratio is so skewed that we think that it
came from a different part of the galaxy. We're let
alone from the Solar System.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You know what's amazing is I think that came right
out of the Corbell film that you were feed in
Project seventeen. That nanophysicist Christopher Cee. I think is how
he's credited in the film. He stated incredible things at
the end of that movie where he said he flat
out says, this is an astounding number of elements. I
have no idea who would make such a thing. It's
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very complex that he's never seen it before, and specifically
what you're talking about, Steve, He pointed out that the
isotopic ratios to him, pointed out that it could not
be from our Solar system, so not even like a
media or something that came from the moon. He said,
it could not be from our solar system.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Right, the isopic ratios on planets in the Solar System
are off from Earth from earthly ratios, but not by
that much, not nearly that much. And there's there's so
many different elements in these things that that's unusual in itself.
Might be the one that came out of my toe
contained fifty six different elements, as I recall, and that's
(07:56):
how it's highly unusual. And yeah, Nano Man or you know,
Carbell called him nan and Man when I was associated
with him, thought that it was less conservative than I
was about what these things might be. And yeah, I
agree with that totally, that it probably can't. The material
probably came from a different part of the galaxy. And
I noticed that isotopes with the higher numbers of neutrons
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were over represented, so that probably indicates that the materials
came from closer to the center of the galaxy where
there's heavier mass supernova. All these heavy elements are manufactured
elements heavier than iron are manufactured and supernova explosions, and
in theory, the bigger the star, the higher the neutron
flux during the explosion, and you should in theory at
(08:44):
isotopes with higher numbers of neutrons with heavier stars and
heavier supernova explosions, and those would occur more often near
the center of the galaxy.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So, Steve, what's the problem here. You've analyzed this, this
is your field, the nanophysicists analyze it, and you guys
are saying this couldn't even be from our solar system.
So why is this not you know, front page news,
and why is not mainstream scientists saying, oh my god,
what could this possibly be?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Well, I think it's just because the government doesn't want
to talk about I self published a couple of papers
on the implants, and I was expecting the press to
be alerted and reporters to be at my door, but
the silence was deafening.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's just incredible.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It was so a few years ago and just now,
just now that people are taking an interest in this,
even even a lot of people that are that are
debunkers are are being debunked themselves. When this comes to
light saying that you know, this is a heck of
a lot of daties put out there to just dismiss
I was using state of the art equipment, and I
don't think anything like this has ever been done before
(09:48):
in civilian science. I'm sure the government has a lot
of analysis like this, but it's all classified. I'm surprised
that Nanaman was willing to come to the fore and
those conclusions publicly.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Agreed, and it almost be exactly what we're looking for, Steve.
We want physical evidence. This is the kind of proof
that this community has been pushing for, and I wish
people would pay more attention to it. Maybe they will
now because this is what we're looking for. Yeah, we
need to take a break here, Steve. We come back.
We're going to ask you if there's been any follow
up with these patients to see if there's been any
(10:24):
repercussions from the alleged aliens in response to having these
implants removed. I would think they would probably react negatively
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Speaker 4 (11:22):
We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Steve Coleburn
about alien implants. Steve, do you know has anyone ever
followed up with these patients that have had these things removed?
And you know, has there been repercussions from from.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yes, there have been. First to react to what you
said before, I mean, yes, we need to go beyond
beyond just anecdotal evidence and people's stories to concentrating on
the physical evidence that we have. And there's a considerable
amount these people. Let's say that there's no physical evidence
of this. I don't know what they're talking about. But
as far as repercussions, yeah, there have been some repercussions.
(11:59):
I know Patient sixteen went into a deep depression after
the implant was removed, and I can't help but think
that it was related to the device being removed from
this nervous system. I remember the aliens telling me during
an experience that removing an implant in the brain would
probably be fatal because the nervous system grows to depend
on it or function with it somehow.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well, how many of these do we have? Did did
doctor Lair take out seventeen implants?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Analyze I think five. I'd rather not say where they
are now. But he had most of them, but I
had a few.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But okay, Well, but obviously they're still safe and available,
is the question? Yes, they are, okay, So if that's
the case, then don't you think we maybe have Has
there been new technology that we've developed? Technology has been
advancing so fast recently, it seems like there's probably new
technology to analyze these. Perhaps we could get even stronger evidence.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. I mean there's some technology
that's become available in the last ten or fifteen years.
It's not common, but it's available at the national labs
and at some of the better quick private labs. I
think we'd want to go beyond just elemental analysis and
conventional scanning electron microscopy and actually actually use fast ADAM
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bombardment to etch off layer by layer of these things
and see what's and map the elements in them layer
by layer, is the networks of carbon, nanotise things, the
electronics of the device, or three dimensional I think that
we should do more research on the objects before they're
(13:45):
removed from the body and analyze some of these signals
that the e of off.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I think that's the other big question, Steve, is anybody
picking up the mantle. I mean, doctor Layer passed away
in twenty fourteen. I don't know of another surgeon that's
really taking this up, do you.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
That was a guy in Alaska did a couple of surgeries,
but I don't think he's really picked up the mantle
and done a whole bunch of them or anything. Doctor
Lear was kind of one of a kind. I wouldn't
be surprised if any doctor that tried to do this
again would be leaned on to stop. I know doctor
Lear had some problems with some unjustified problems with the
(14:20):
authorities over this. They tried to trump up some charges
against him and tried to lift his license and stuff.
They weren't successful, but it was all harassment based on
his research.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I can imagine that. I just feel like this is
an area that we could I'm surprised they're not coming
after the implants. An organization like ERROW or somebody would
be coming after that. Trying to get that is the
limitation that it takes money to do this too. It's
expensive to get these kind of tests.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Oh yeah, I mean money's tight right now. And each
if you pay for it, analysis like ICTMS inductively coupled
plasma mass spectrometry, which is a sensitive elemental analysis Solomon
analysis that we've done on the cores of these devices
as a routine thing. I've had a protocol for analysis
of these things, and that's that's one of the last steps.
(15:09):
And each one of those analysis is like five analyses,
like five hundred bucks. If you send it out, may
have gone up in price since then. Sure it costs
thousands of dollars to do this research, and big donors
are I think, being encouraged not to contribute to this
kind of research.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's really kind of falling to the wayside. You do
not hear about this at all. Now you've looked at
five of these you mentioned. Are these implants very similar
or are they distinctly different? Like would you guess that
they were from the same type of alien doing the
same type of I think so.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
A lot of a lot of them are similar, but
there are some that are quite different. The type I
mentioned with a metal core and either epithelial tissue around
it or that gray hard to cut electrically conductive membrane,
and those have meteoric iron cores, like I said. And
there's also different types. There's a type that moves around
(16:04):
inside the body using tiny cilia. Whitley Streeber has one
of those in his ear, and a doctor Lerma from
Texas tried to remove it and got a little piece
of it, and that's how we know that they have cilia.
Doctor Lear was going to remove it but really changed
his mind, and so another patient took its place. But
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so far we have not successfully removed one of those.
But there's also a biological implant that doctor Lear found
on one occasion. It was under a lady's flight attendance,
the skin of her forearm, and it would move around
under the skin. It was like the size of a
small pe, he said. It would It would move within
a prescribed circular area about maybe three inches in diameter,
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and would follow your finger if you put your finger
above it and moved it slowly.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
See what else could do that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't know. It had a not that much analysis
was done it, unfortunately it had It had a cellular
structure if a doctor Layer said the cells were much
smaller than than human cells. And it was alive apparently,
but that's about all we know about it. He said
it was like a clam, like a bi valve, and
had ridges on it that presumably enabled it to move
(17:19):
into the skin while I was opening and closing its shells.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Whatever. Interesting you know, if these are indeed alien, what
do you suspect that they're for? Are they tracking devices?
Are they checking biofeedback? Or are they controlling people? Somehow?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I liketed to mention there's brain implants to you that
they that they put in, usually through your nose. Willie
Strieber mentioned that in this book Communion, those can be
used to you. It might pin into at least partially
control people. They can they can implant suggestions that are
very difficult to ignore because the subject almost always thinks
it's their idea, and they're they're all tracking device or
(18:00):
a pribe. And I think a lot of them, a
lot of them measure physiological information, like kind of like
the instruments we put on astronauts, blood sugar, body temperature movement,
and things like that. The ones that move around in
the body are we're not I'm not sure what those
(18:25):
do exactly, but it's probably something to do with communication.
They give off radio signals whenever you're talking about aliens
or going to UFO conferences, things like that. That's what
I've heard from several people.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, that's interesting. It's also a big thing in the
in the folklore or whatever in traditions from people who
have had an experience. They do say that it's gone
right up my nose. They stuck something in my nose.
That's like a common reoccurring thing that I've heard many times.
Have any of these patients ever Have you heard them
say what they think it does.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Well, I probably have one or more myself. They're they're
very difficult to detect. You can't see him on X
ray because they're made of a conductive polymer. I analyzed
one of those one time that somebody gave me that
didn't get up into the brain and it was sneezed
out by the subject.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I remember them telling me that they were made of
a conductive polymer, and I confirmed that by the analysis
that it was organic and conducted electricity they had. It
has a st membrane that dissolves, and then the inner
part is a conductive polymer that I suspect uses material
from the body to grow tendrils all throughout the brain.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
All of these have some piece of metal at the
core though, right.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Either metal or a conductive polymer. You know, they have
a conductive material at the core and you can detect
them with a studfinder or metal detector.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Wow. When we come back, we're going to ask Steve
about other physical evidence that he's maybe exist and in
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We are back on beyond contact. Speaking with Steve Colburn, Steve,
is there any other sort of physical evidence that you've
examined that you think could be proof of aliens?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Well, I examined some of the debris from the San Agustin,
New Mexico UFO crash. Those are mostly pieces of aluminum
with a whole bunch of elements in them. Like the implants,
their physical properties were not that impressive. I was surprised
to find that out. The number of elements in them
was very unusual, and there was a lot of rare
(21:42):
earth elements in them. And I know that they're experimenting
with that alloying aluminum with rare earths now to increase
the strength and alter its properties. And I've analyzed a
piece of metal that came from that allegedly came from
a UFO that landed in the Andes Mountain, and UFOs
in trouble often emit molten metal. I think there's a
(22:05):
there's a homopolar generator aspect of They used like three
different methods to create any gravity thrusts, but one of
them is a ring of rotating molten metal around the
edge of the craft in a magnetic field that the
craft has mechanical difficulty sometimes the jettison some of this metal.
And this metal turned out to be an alloy with
(22:27):
iron and silicon. I think the silicon is most likely
in there to lower the melting point and maybe to
alter the electrical properties as well. One of the samples
from the San Augustine UFO crash was interesting in that
that most of the samples had a bunch of elements
in them this one, but this one was almost pure
aluminum and and made sparks when you put it against
(22:50):
the grinding wheel, and regular aluminum didn't do that. It
just kind of kind of melts. And yeah, this this,
this piece of aluminum was really pure aluminum, and I
suspect it was a aluminum metal with an almost perfect
crystal structure. That's one of the things they're experimenting with
to increase the strength of metals in earthly silence.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's interesting, you know, we hear about all these different
types of physical evidence, from implants to alleged pieces of
UFO craft as you mentioned that comes up now, and
then to marks left behind like an alien handprint or
even soil samples where.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, I had I had a had five fingered handprints
on my bedroom wall and my my house in my
old house in Fillmore, California, and Barbara did too, actually
in her old apartment. There's alien indelible dies that are
usually left behind after an alien alien experience, and they
(23:53):
fless fluores brightly under shortwave VV and take weeks to
come off, so they're pretty careteristic.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I guess that analyzed.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I tried. It's so hard to get off the substrate
that it's hard to get enough and solution for a
good analysis. But I got a good fluorescent spectrum on
the blue dye. There's a blue dye, a green dye,
a yellow green dye, and an orange dye are commonly seen.
I got a pretty good fluorescent spectrum on the blue dye,
and that tend to indicate that there was an indol
(24:26):
ring in it, which that's found in the amino acid triptophane.
It's also found in certain plocgenic drugs like psilocybin real est.
So it's possible if they use this material to increase
their telepath of control over people, or it might be
a drug of some kind or probably a disinfectant. It
(24:48):
seems to have some medical use anyway, this blue dye.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It's very interesting that there is this physical evidence, these
little trace evidence cases that seem to again be under
presented it. What do you think of all these different types,
you know, and even there's radiation often detected, of all
these different things, what do you think is the strongest
physical evidence that we have that you could point to
(25:12):
that there is an alien presence?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Probably the implants. They're actually actual sophisticated nanotechnological devices that
most people say are beyond that. I've seen them, will
say they're beyond that, are beyond our technology. So I'd
say that they were definitely the strongest physical evidence we
have thus far, but there's a lot of other evidence.
I mean, any experiencers out there they're listening to this podcast.
(25:36):
All you have to do is get a steadfinder from
the store, a small metal detector usually use to detect
nails and walls, and a short wave of ultraviole alight,
usually used for finding fluorescent minerals, and you can find
some physical evidence of your own. You can detect implants
and also see when you when you've had recent alien
(25:59):
contact by the dye is look behind on your skin.
I get a lot on me. I can send you
a couple of pictures if you like for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That's fascinating. Now, you mentioned that you had this experience
where you saw, I guess, an alien handprint on your wall.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Doctor Lee came over to my Filmore house and did
a through walk through in analysis with his instruments, and
one of the first things we found. The things we
found was a couple of four fingered handprints, child size
four fingered handprints on the wall right next to where
I sleep.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's scary as well.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, photographed that as well. He was blown away.
I mean there were also. One other piece of physical
evidence is that things that don't normally magnetize give up
magnetic fields. Alien equipment apparently gives off a type of
magnetic field that will cause organic material and other things
(27:00):
to magnetize. The things that don't normally magnetize, things like
aluminum stainless steel, would.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Did you have wooden spoons in your kitchen become magnetized?
That's correct, Yeah, I mean that's bizarre right there.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah, it is a blue doctor lear Away. And the
magnetic fields in these materials that are that are abnormally
magnetized seem to seem to decrease over a period of weeks,
so it doesn't last forever like with ordinary magnetic material.
But it's it's very interesting that I suspect it some
sort of a man it's either an ultra strong magnetic
(27:34):
field or some sort of a magnetic monopole, or a
field with one one type of pole stronger than the other.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
It does, though, Now has anyone come to analyze that
or kind of try to figure out what's happening.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I speculate that the magnetic field that they're using magnetizes
the fabrica space itself, and that kind of soaks into
objects around it and then leaks out over time. But
that's I've never heard anybody else come up to any
theories about it, Like.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Did you save any of these artifacts? Like did you
cut out that piece of the wall with the handprint?
Did you? Oh? Yeah, yeah you did, so we still
have that.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Well, it was stolen a few months back, but I
had no I wish I were.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh God, but do you have the other things, like
the spoons or any of these things that we could
still have checked? Well?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I monitored them for quite some time, but the magnetic
field goes away over about an eight week period generally,
so there's nothing to find.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Now, I see. And do you have any any guesses
as to what could have caused this short term change?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I mean in the magnetic fields? Yes, yeah, Like I said,
I think that the magnetic field that they're using is
probably a magnetic monopole, or at least a field with
one pole stronger than the other. There's been some reports
of that with amateur scientists that are into magnets. I
think that it causes a magnetic polarity in the fabric
(29:10):
of space itself, and that can soak into objects and
give them a magnetic field and then soak out or
go away over time.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Have you seen these sort of anomalies in other cases
besides your own?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Oh yeah, I've investigated several people's houses that are frequent
flyer experience ers, shall we say.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Right right? Which tends to be the case in fact,
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Speaker 4 (31:39):
We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Steve
Colburn about his personal experiences with et contact. Steve, have
you had these contact experiences your entire life? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I think so. I remember when I was five years
old seeing a right yellow UFO that looked a lot
like Lazaar's sport model hovering over my parents' house. That
was maybe four in the morning before sunrise. I stared
at it for a couple of minutes and then locked
out and woke up after the sun rose about maybe
(32:10):
eight am, and I had blood all down the front
of me, and Bailey remembered somebody putting something up my nose, and.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, that's very common. We hear that time and time again.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, and right after that. I right after that, like
turning on a switch. I was interested in anything to
do with space or aliens, or UFOs and you were
not previously, well, not as much now. I mean, it
became kind of a kind of a mild obsession after
the inflant in me, which I think is what they did.
I just had a vague feeling that something was going
on at night that I didn't know, I didn't know about,
(32:41):
or couldn't remember. I was afraid of the closet and
monsters under the bed and all that kind of thing.
And maybe that's for real experiencers.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Then, I remember when I was in my twenties, I
had an experience where we had a vacation place in
Bullhead City, Arizona. I was driving from Barstow to Needles.
On the last leg of the trip, I got about
five miles outside Barstow. Then the next thing I remember,
I was pulling in the Needles and didn't have any
memory of the previous two hundred miles driven. Then another time,
(33:13):
on the same highway, Highway forty, I was traveling the
opposite direction at night. The first experience took place in
the daytime. I was traveling the opposite direction at night,
about when it was nineteen eighty nine. I looked at
the clock and it was about ten o'clock. Then I
looked at the clock what seemed like thirty seconds later,
and it was one o'clock in the morning. I stopped
at the nearest town, which is Ludlow, California, and checked
(33:36):
their clock just to make sure that it wasn't some
screw up with my car clock or something, And indeed
three hours had passed that I couldn't account for.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Again, that's a common thing in people's accounts, and it's interesting,
this missing time element.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, another time, on the same road a few months later,
I saw a yellow, glowing UFO must have been a
quarter mile in diameter. It's the biggest discshaped when they make.
It was paralleling the highway, not going very fast, and
cars were full knock at it. It discharged several smaller objects,
then finally disappeared behind the mountain. That was one of
(34:11):
my best close up sidings.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
That's an interesting account. Sure, what was it like when
you encountered beings? Did they appear like stereotypical gray aliens
or was it something different?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah, stereotypical grace, and I remember getting hypnotized. I regressed
over that incident where I had the three missing hours,
and I remembered under hypnosis that they told me telepath
for me to pull over, and I pulled over after
first trying first hitting the gas and trying to get
away from this UFO that was hovering over me. There's
a strange phenomenon where they have a different personality track
(34:45):
set up for you when you're with them. It's kind
of like the movie Total Recall, where Arnold had his
Mars personality and his Earth personality that they that they'd
put in there. It's like that with with alien abduction.
That's why you don't remember. It's because the memories are
still there, but they're on a different person track. They
connected with the subconscious sometimes during dreams. But anyway, I
pulled over and my second personality kicked in. They pulled,
(35:08):
I pulled over, and an alien beamed into onto the
pavement near the driver's side of the car where I stopped.
Everybody as a handler, at least that's my understanding this
guy was. I was, I believe my handler, and he said,
you know, Colburn, somebody at your level should know better
than to try to run from us. Wow, I go,
(35:30):
I'm sorry, sir. It took a while for my memory
to kick in. And then he said go with them
and collect some samples. I walked off the road with
a couple of worker Grays and they had a UFO
landed nearby, and there were a bunch of people in
there that they just collected from the LA area. I
don't want to go into it too far. It's pretty
kind of disturbing.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's fine. I just want to know. Do you have
an impression that they were biological, technological, or something completely different.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I think there are beings that have had technology for
so long that they've messed themselves up with it and
adapted to it. I think that the Grays used to
be like us, but they've been messed up by exposure
to radiation, over use of technology like genetic engineering and transporters.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Taken to an extreme.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Yeah, take into an extreme. And I think they genetically
engineered themselves to have a higher IQ and then eliminated
emotion to facilitate having higher intelligence. They realized now that
was a mistake, and they're trying to get some members
of their society that going that have emotions again.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
And you've put that slightly different than I've ever heard before,
and I think it sounds like it resonates to me.
I really do feel that's fascinating. Do you have a
takeaway message that you perhaps got from them?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
They told me that this is a very important planet
and it's very valuable. They don't want people messing it up.
There's only four or five like it in the galaxy.
Planets where there's some air and some water and some
life are pretty common, but planets that are teeming with
life like this, that have nollions of species are not
common at all, and they don't want it messed up.
They're very concerned about our nuclear weapons programs, and they've
(37:07):
taken steps to control that behind the scenes. They also
told me that most experiencers are genetically modified. They have
an mo where they abduct pregnant women from bloodlines that
are interested in and genetically modify it.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Vius interesting. Have you had any other physiological ramifications from
having these encounters?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, I have a cluster headaches, very painful migraine type headaches,
and I have reason to believe that it's a side
effect of a brain implant. The condition is rare in
the general population, maybe one in one in a thousand
to one in ten thousand people out in the general population,
but it's very common an experience er. It's probably about
twenty to forty percent of experiencers have the condition, and
(37:48):
they can trigger them at will. To remember one time
when doctor Lair and I were going to this lady's
house to in San Diego to analyze her place and
try to find some physical evidence. She called us up
and said that she couldn't make it because she had
a cluster headache. I remember thinking that when I had
before I learned how to treat him. I remember thinking
when I had one of those headaches that she had,
(38:09):
even morphine wuldn't touch the pain. And sure enough she
said the same thing that they took her to the
emergency room and gave her morphine and it didn't help.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Incredible. Do you do you think that overall you've had
anything that you would consider positive from these encounters, that
the effectuld you in a positive way at all.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Well, I think I know a lot of things that
most people don't know. But it makes it hard to
fit in down here with other people. It's like being
a different subspecies or something. A lot of people have
said the same thing that I've talked to you at conferences.
There's some positive aspects to it. You get to fly
in space, even though you don't remember it very well.
A lot of these abjections take place in orbit on
(38:46):
gray motherships. I suppose that's a positive aspect to it,
but in general it's mostly negative. I guess I'm sorry.
I don't I don't mean to portray myself as a
victim or experience, or as victims in general, but it's
like we're part time slaves. They wanted, they want our
help with their program. They need to take better care
of us.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
If they're going to want in your help or demanding
of your help, it sounds more like the latter.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, you have no choice. I mean they can with
their telepathy, they can make you do anything they want to.
That's one thing that really that's one thing that really
scared me when I first got regressed, is that I
would do anything these people said when I was under
that in that state.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
All the more I think that we wouldn't get disclosure
officially from the government if they know that this is
what's happening, because that's scary beyond all help.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Well, that's why they're experts at mind control. I mean
that they can they can implant suggestions and if they're
within a certain distance. They can make you do anything
that they want you to do. They come into your
bedroom at night, take you and come into our cars,
and we're driving places, and that Garnwell could cause.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Panic, I would think so Jesus.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Then again, people can only panic for so long. I
think they should have come clean on this in nineteen
forty seven, after Roswell.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I agree, all right, Steve, we're out of time, but
I really really appreciate you sharing all your insights. It's
absolutely fascinating stuff, and I think that implants is something
we need someone to take up the mantle and pick
up where doctor Lear left off. I agree with our
opportunity to get physical evidence. That's that that we need,
you know, and maybe we can learn more about what
they're doing and how they're doing it.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
I've tried to find find a doctor that could help
with this, and so far nobody's interested. They're too scared
of their reputation and everything. I guess I can't blame them.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I can imagine that, but maybe things are changing and
I will certainly keep my radar up for such a thing. Steve,
thanks everyone for listening. You can find Steve at Alienevidenceinc.
Dot webs dot com. See what what what? Do you
have a number you want people to reach out to.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
If anybody wants a scan for alien evidence, implants and
evidence recent alien contact, they can call me at eight
oh five seven one eight one eight. We can scan
you with an ultraviolet light and studfinder and magnetometer and
a couple other instruments.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Awesome, Thanks Steve, Thank you. You can find me at
Twitter and Instagram, at c I t D underscore captain
Ron contacting thedesert dot com, and stay open minded and
rational as we explore the unknown right here on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Amnable I guess.
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