February 7, 2026 • 45 mins
Marianne Robb and Dave Rich join Captain Ron to discuss how they used their decades-long experience in law enforcement to create UAP-PD.
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with Mary Anne, rob and Dave Rich, who
have combined fifty nine years in law enforcement experience. In
twenty fifteen, Marianne joined Muffon and spent seven years as
a field investigator and five years as an instructor alongside Dave,
teaching investigators how to apply law enforcement methods such as
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evidence collection and advanced interviewing techniques to the UFO cases.
They formed an organization called UAPPD, which aims to destigmatize UFOs, UAPs,
paranormal and cryptic sightings, as well as provide resource and
a safe zone for law enforcement officers and first responders
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to handle and share their encounters with without the fear
of being ridiculed or even damaging their career. Hey, guys, welcome,
Thanks thanks for having us. Thank you, very happy to
have you here. I think this is a really great idea.
I love to see people in law enforce embrace this.
You know, when you think about it, there aren't that
many big UFO cases that we hear about that involve
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police officers. And I bet that's not for there being
a lack of cases as much it is about them
having a fear of reporting those cases. I mean, these
are the people that are out there, They're out and about,
often late at night. They're trained observers. You know, they're
going to make the perfect eye witness. But it sounds
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to me, much like with the military, like there's still
this strong stigma and repercussions to those coming forward with
such stories. Is that true?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Absolutely? I believe the main crux of where the stigma
comes into play really falls down into two categories. As
a law enforcement officer, for any successful case, you have
to have two things, evidence and your credibility. The moment
you start mentioning things like high strangeness, paranormal cryptids, UFOs, ueps,
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people who don't believe in those things will start questioning
their credibility, and as officers, we're kind of aware of that.
So it's one of those things where if you do
see something, you kind of just hold it inside because
of that threat to your credibility, which will then hurt
your actual professional career.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Interesting. Yeah, have you seen things loosen up as this
topic has become more mainstream, like in the last ten years,
or it's still pretty much that way in the forest
in the.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Police department, it's still that way. I know that there is,
you know, the government talking about disclosure. They're telling the military,
oh it's okay, come forward, it's all right, no problem.
They're telling that to commercial airline pilots. But i'll tell
you right now, when it comes to law enforcement first responders.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
I don't think it's ever going to let up it.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
I wish we could put something out there, but I
think because of that stigma, because of that threat to
their career, they are just going to keep their mouths
shut and not even talk to their fellow officers.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
They don't want any part of that.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
We actually notice the difference believing or not geographically. So
if you have a city officer, county officer, federal agent,
they don't want to say anything. But if we have
encountered a number of officers on different Indian reservations who have
no problem coming forward and talking about it, and we
actually had some interesting kind of conversations with some of
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these officers, And as near as we can track it
down to is it really comes down to the fact
that in the Native American culture, all of these things
are just more readily accepted. They're part of their culture,
they're part of their history, and so an officer seeing
a spirit or a skinwalker or some sort of star
person something like that, to them, it's not that big
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of a deal because the community is also like, oh, yeah, well,
you know, my uncle saw one or I saw one
or stuff like that. So there it's more accepted. But
the moment you get off of the so to speak,
then you get in the cities and stuff, then you
kind of run into that hole. Everybody's tight lipt.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Right, or they'll say you're off the reservation. Yeah, that
comes full circle. See now it seems to me like
an idea for you guys would be to go after
the retired officers. I wonder if that's something you could do,
because maybe they'd be more willing to come forward.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Well, we do.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
We go for all officers, whether retired or still on
the job. Matter of fact, we just did a little
event called Hero's Day that was out at the Superstition
Mountain Museum a couple of weeks ago, and we actually
had a retired homicide detective from Tempe, Arizona come out.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
He says, I saw you on Facebook. I knew you
were going to be here.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I wanted to come out because I've got a story
I want to share with you and I have never
talked about it before.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
So yeah, we're going to go to his house. But
we also have.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Retired I have a retired Federal Department of Corrections officer.
He's retired for like six seven years. But I went
to his house and we sat in his front porch
and he told me about four different cases of UFOs
and he actually was visited by an entity in his
own house, and he said I could not talk about
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this whatsoever, and he cried.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I mean, I've got this on tape. He's crying, saying
thank you. I didn't know where to go. Thank you
for coming and talking to me and letting me tell
you these stories.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But you know what's interesting about what you just said there, Marianne,
is that this is exactly word for word what Don
Schmidt had said interviewing a lot of the military guys
from Roswell fifty sixty years after the fact. And these
guys would break down crying saying that I haven't talked
about this in fifty five years. I haven't talked about
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this in sixty years. It's hard for them because, of
course they were even threatened. Supposedly, many of them alleged
that they were threatened and told not to talk about this.
So I love this idea of you guys doing training
the field officers too, and investigating and showing them how
to collect data properly and do proper interviews. I think
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that's going to get us better quality data from places
like Moufon. I think that's brilliant.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
That is, you know, talking about the retire.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Even though the retired, a lot of them don't want
to be identified. They're still afraid that working for the government,
they're going to take the pension away. Now with Moffon,
we both were with Moufon field investigators and all during
the boot camps that Phoenix Moufon had oh gosh for
the past seven years.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
They can learn.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I mean, these folks, you know, could take some stuff
off of the Moufon site and Moufon University. But having
an actual police officer to come and do the training
of the interviewing and well, i'd say terrogation, but we're
not going to interrogate. But we have, like you said,
we're fifty nine years experience between the two of us.
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We know how to interview. We've interviewed hundreds of thousands
of people.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I've forgotten more interviews than I can remember.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
And wow, that is what's cool is we go ahead
and we teach these folks how to do a good interview.
You don't ask leading questions, you don't ask yes and
no questions. And the biggest thing is don't have that
preconceived notion they read this report going oh yeah, based
on UFO. No, don't go in with the mindset you
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know what it is, do that whole interview, the whole investigation.
Then if you can come up with a conclusion, fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Now let me ask you this, yes or no? No,
I'm just kidding. See good I did there. My open
ended questions you guys, is what sort of cases do
you typically get? Is it mostly strange lights or more
having strange paranormal experiences.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I would say the majority of the stuff that we
have is really more paranormal spirit interaction to somebody, voices,
things that are seeing and gone. Then our second most prevalent,
I would say, is UFOs and UAPs. We've got some
video from a police constable in Australia that found out
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about us, and we did an interview over zoom and
she sent us an amazing story about stuff that she
had in a video from her living room that she
filmed right out of her living room all the way
up to officers that were on duty, and pictures that
they gave us from things that they saw literally driving
around at night and see a like an object flying
in the sky comes down to the ground. He's got
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amazing pictures of it and then it zips off and
the coolest part is he then gets a call from
another officer that's like ten miles north, who's like, did
you see something fly over there? He's like, yeah, I
just saw it. And so we have two independent officers
witnessing the same incidents. So we are getting the majority
of this suff we're getting a paranormal, but we are
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getting a good number of UAP things. Now the cryptis
are the ones that we're not really getting.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
A ton of.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
That's probably.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, well I love that. I love I always love
multi witness cases. But you know, this seems like something
as you guys expand, maybe officers would be willing to
send in video that they've recorded anonymously and then nobody
knows who they are. They don't have to put their
name on it. And yet you could have this collection
that was sent in from an officer, this was sent
in from and you could just you know, collect that
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that'd be good data. When we come back, we're going
to ask Marianne and Dave about how they became so
passionate about this, and hear about Dave's incredible case that
switched him from being a hardcore skeptic. You're listening to
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Marian
and Dave from uappd Dave, you were a pretty hardcore
skeptic about all these things paranormal, as I understand it.
Can you tell us the story that took place at
the school that opened your mind to this notion that
there might be something more to all of this.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Absolutely, and ron to say that I was a skeptic,
that was practically an understatement. Like I truly, up until
April of twenty seventeen, did not believe in any of this.
It was all, hey, there's a logical explanation. It's all garbage.
It's somebody lying, it's a hoax.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
How interesting there was twenty seventeen because that was the
big watershed year with the New York Times and all
that too, So that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
April of twenty seventeen, I'm working as a school resource
officer at one of the high schools out here in Arizona,
and it was a Saturday, the night of prom. Prom
isn't held at the school, It's actually held at an
off site. I go into the problem. Principal walks up
to me and goes, hey, did you hear about the
nine one one call at the school today? And I'm like, no,
why would there be nine on one collors? Nobody at school?
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It's a Saturday. So I get on the phone called
dispatch and the dispatcher just starts laughing at me. And
says you need to talk to this specific officer. So
I send him a text actually, and his response is, dude,
your school is and I don't know if I can
say provanities, but begins with an F haunted. So I
give him a call. I'm like, what the hell are
you talking about? And so he proceeds to tell me.
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This dispatch gets a call at just before noon. So
middle of the day, nine one one operator answers the phone, says,
nine one one, what's your emergency. There's a voice that
sounds like a woman or maybe like a girl like
that whisper talking, but clear enough that you could clearly hear,
and it sounds like it says I'm scared. Dispatcher says,
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what was that? And it says it again, I'm scared.
Dispatcher says, you're scared, and then it says no, and
then you hear the phone receiver get dropped onto the countertop.
So the officers show up fourteen minutes it takes them
to get there. During that fourteen minutes, that phone is
an open line and the dispatcher is trying to get
somebody to pick up the phone. So every couple of
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minutes you hear hello, pick up the phone. Hello, are
you there?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
You okay?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Hello? Then fourteen minutes later officers get there. They make
entry with this thing called the knoxbox key, which gets
them a master key to the school. They go inside.
Officer walks up, seize the phone on the counter, picks
it up. Hey, this is you know Officer so and
so has a conversation with the dispatcher, says, okay, well
we're going to search the school. You know, this has
got to be the phone. It's the one that's laying
on the counter with the open mind. So he hangs
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up the phone. They proceed to search the building. Now,
this building is the administration building at this school, so
the only thing in it there's no classrooms. It's just
the principal's office, assistant principal offices, counseling reception, and then
the nurse's office, and then there's one supply closet. So
it's a relatively quick building for the two officers to search.
So they search the building, they don't see anybody. They
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go to the nurse's office. They walk into the nurse's office. Now,
the way in law enforcement, when you walk into a
room that you don't know which way it goes. You
kind of do this weird kind of stack thing where
one guy is slightly in front of the other and
you kind of hit the door quickly, and then one
guy peels to the right, one guy peals to the left.
So these two officers do that at the door to
the nurse's office. They go inside. One peels right, one
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pills left, and as soon as they start peeling, something
that neither of them could see physically pushes on their
shoulders between them and out of the room. They spin around,
go running out of the room and looking around and
they see nothing. So they finish the search, and they're like,
what the heck they get out of there. Ron, I'm
listening to this story on my phone and I'm like, right, yeah, okay, sure,
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I don't think much of it. I do the rest
to prom I think that's the end of it. Monday morning,
I come into work. My sergeant looks at me and says, hey,
what about the what happened with this nine one one call?
And I'm like, a nine on one call the school,
nothing happened. They did search, I didn't find anybody. So
the sergeant looks at me and says, hey, well you
have to investigate this, And I'm like why, and he's like, well,
it's misuse of nine to one one, and so I'm
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like think. I'm thinking at the time, well, yeah, I
guess that makes sense. If there was nobody in the school,
somebody may have found a way to hack nine on one. Yeah,
I guess we do need to get to the bottom
of this. What I didn't understand is that sergeant was
a very big ghost nut and he just wanted his
number one skeptical officer to try and do an investigation.
And he picked me because a it was my school.
I was a former homicide detective. I have all the
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investigative techniques that were needed for this type of investigation.
So I launch into this investigation one hundred percent thinking
I'm going to get to the bottom of this is
going to be a logical explanation. So I start doing
the search. The first thing, pull video from the school
security camera has that phone right in the center of
the video screen. Now it's not detailed enough to see
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the phone come off the cradle, but it is one
hundred percent detailed enough that you can see that and
if anybody is at that phone, you're going to see
it front side of the desk, backside of the desk anything.
There are three sets of motion detecting lights, one directly
over the desk, one in front, one behind. All those
lights clicked on when the officers got in there. So
I look at this and I'm like, Okay, well, clearly
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I'm going to find who did it, because they're going
to be on the video. The phones right there. So
I take the video. I go all the way back
to six o'clock in the morning for when it starts,
So this is six hours before the actual call comes in,
mainly because I wanted to get all my ducks in
the row. Somebody broke in. I want to see them,
how they broke in, where they got in, what did
they do besides call then on one. So I start
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watching the video. At seven o'clock in the morning, I
see the back door open and one of the security
guards comes in to get something out of the supply closet,
which is nowhere near this desk. She comes in, the
lights on the front side of the desk click on,
she grabs us up, she leaves, lights click off. Twenty
minutes later, at about ten thirty in the morning, the
lights just over the desk click on, and I'm like, well,
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that's weird. How did the lights just over the desk
click on when nothing you can't get to the desk
without coming from the front or the back. One of
those should have clicked on too, But I don't see anybody,
and it's daytime, so you can see in there. Even
with the lights on or off, you still see that
there's nobody there. So then that was the lights click off.
At eleven fifty four when this phone call comes in,
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there is nobody standing at that desk. Wow, I'm like, okay,
that's weird. Fourteen minutes later, I see the two officers
come in from the bottom of the screen. I see
them go over. I see the one pick up the phone.
I see the conversation. I've listened to the nine one
one tape. I knew that the conversation happened. I see
him hang up now. I see all the motion lights
come on when they walk in. The ones in front
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come on when he gets to the desk, the one
over the desk comes on. When they search behind the desk.
All those ones come on, so I know all the
lights are working. They search the entire thing. The nurse's
office is at the bottom of the screen. If you're
looking at the security footage. I see the two of
them go up to the door. I see the two
of them stack up, they go in in Immediately, within
like seconds, they both come running back out looking around,
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like what the heck. So I'm still watching this, go well,
this is this is really weird. I don't know what
this is. So I take the nine to one one tape.
I send it off to some people that we know
to kind of analyze it, because I again thinking somebody
may have hacked the nine one one system. Is this
a computer generated voice? Is it something like that? While
that was being analyzed, I was also going around and going, hey,
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what are the possibilities that somebody called from a classroom
and routed it through the front desk. So I go
and talk to the nine to one one call center
trying to figure out because again I'm like, okay, there's
a logical explanation. I talked to the nine one one
supervisor and she's like, no, that wouldn't work because on
the computer right here, it shows which phone it comes
in from, and it shows that it came in from
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the what they called reception B, which is the second desk,
and she's like and then more importantly, why was the
phone off the hook for the officer to come up
and pick up on an open line? And I'm like,
well yeah, so, long story short, I run down every
possible lead. I go so far as to get somebody
from the school with the phone that does phones there
to go out with me to the phone box, and
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we like cracked the phone box open to see like
old school somebody using warriors to patch into the system.
Long story short, I can't find any anyway this phone
call came in. I'm not gonna say like I was
a believer yet, but I was really hardcore starting to
question some stuff because none of this is making sense.
Every time I came up with, oh, this has to
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be the answer, I ended up finding a reason why
it wasn't the answer. We end up completing this investigation.
I don't know what's going on. Then I realize, hey,
something happened when they went into the nurse's office. Maybe
I should go talk to the nurse see if anything's
going on there. So I go into the nurse's office.
The nurse happens to be the wife of a Shaffs
Deepee so I've known her for six years. At this point,
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we've talked. We have that relationship where we can talk
and shoot the breeze and stuff like that. I walk
in there, you know, Hey, what's up. How's it going.
I'm like, hey, cool, everything's normal until I bring up
the idea or the conversation about this phone call. The
moment I bring up the phone call, she shuts down,
but I don't press it because again I don't think
she's my suspect. And one thing leads to another. I
go back a couple hours later, same thing. She ends
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up shutting down as soon as I mentioned.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
The phone call.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
So the last thing I do, I'm like, okay, I'll
give it a couple of days. During that time, I
get the results back from the nine on one tape
nine one one tape. The guy says, hey, I don't
know what you have here, but it's not a human voice.
It's not a computer generated voice. And he's like, more importantly,
you know, it's not saying I'm scared. He says, it
says I scare, And I'm like yeah. So I go
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back talk to the nurse third time. She's friendly, everything
until I bring up the phone call. She literally slams
a pen down on the desk and says, fine, I'll
tell you. She proceeds to tell me that she's been
haunted by spirits her entire life, and they will follow
her when she moves, she goes to a different house,
they'll be quiet for a couple of days, and then
they get kicks back up. I'm like, well, why didn't
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you tell me this before? She's like, cause three weeks
ago everything at the house stop. And I'm like, okay,
then why are you telling me now? And she said,
because two days ago we ended up looking and found
that the first there was actually that phone call that
we got was actually the third. The first one came
three weeks ago, lines up perfectly, but there wasn't a voice.
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There was just nine to one one calls. But now
here's the key for why we actually created you appd.
A couple of days go by and I'm like, I
don't know how to explain this. I tell my sergeant,
I don't know what this is.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I get called upstairs to a sergeant's office. It's not
my sergeant, but a sergeant upstairs. I walk in. He's
got two computer screens one's an MP three player with
the nine one one tape. The other one is the
still of the security footage. He plays it for me
and looks at me and says, you expect me to
believe this crap, And then he literally accuses me of
being a liar, accuses me of making up the entire
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thing and somehow getting everybody from the dispatcher to the
patrol units that responded to the school district all involved
in this elaborate hoax. I end up storming out of
the office. But the one thing that I remembered is
even though he wasn't much of an officer, he had
stripes and I didn't. So I was like, you need
to keep your mouth shut because if he wants to
press the issue, you're the one that's going.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
To be in trouble.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And you can imagine Dave, it was probably plenty of
all those who've had that similar experience where they said, well,
better not talk about this. We come back. We're going
to ask Marian and Dave from UAPPD and find out
their thoughts on what maybe behind this phenomenon. You're listening
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We're back on Beyond Context speaking with Marion Dave Guys.
At the end of the day, looking at all these
different cases and all this research you've done, where do
you sit on what you think might be happening. I
know we don't have a conclusion, But like, do you
think maybe there's an alien presence? Is there a dimensional presence?
Is there something to do with the afterlife? Where do
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you guys guess these strange occurrences are originating.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's a great question for me, and I can't speak
for Marion, but for me, I think it's multifaceted. I
think there's different aspects of different things. One thing that
I do believe is I believe they're all related, and
one way or another, I don't understand what the tie is.
But when we do our stage presentations, we actually have
a Venn diagram for ufology, paranormal and cryptozoology, and we
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have them all overlapping because you have such amazing crossovers like,
for example, David Politis, one of his most recent movies
was specifically the link between Bigfoot sightings and UFO sightings
and these national parks and these disappearances. Got things like
TV shows like Terror in the Woods, which is a
link between cryptozoological creatures and paranormal activity. And then you've
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got things like orbs and stuff like that, where you
have orbs as in energy orbs that are in like
a hunted house. But then you can also be outside
and see them flying in the sky as if it
was a UAP or UFO. So I believe they're all related.
I don't necessarily know how, but there are too many
similarities for them not to be. But I do think
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that there is extra dimensional Like you've got these great
stories of people that are tracking, for example Bigfoot, and
all of a sudden, these footprints appear in the middle
of a snow covered field and they go for like
one hundred and fifty yards and then they vanish, and
the beginning of the trail and the end of the
trail are way far away from a tree line or anyplace.
So it's like, where did these footprints all of a
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sudden appear? And then where the heck do they go?
And we've got a number of stories like that that
we've heard from people, not law enforcement, but just of
that phenomenon happened, which would clearly make me think, Okay,
either Bigfoot got flown into a helicopter and nobody saw it,
or maybe there's some sort of portal or some sort
of dimensional thing that they're coming through, and maybe they're
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not intentionally coming through, maybe it's accidental they slipped through.
They slipped back out. But that's like my take on
I know Mary I might have a different one.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Well, my take is kind of like Dave's. I am
very much a skeptic. I never have seen a cryptid.
I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen a paranormal.
I haven't had any experiences whatsoever. So my take is
just hearing from different folks and different witnesses say, ufolks,
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we are not alone in this universe. To me, you
have to have your head in the sand. And excuse
me if I'm offending anyone, but you have to have
your head in the sand. If you think we are
the only ones in this entire universe, we're not. We
don't know what's out there, what type of other entities
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or persons are out there. But there are people or
there's things out there talking about the Bigfoot.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I do believe there is. They're coming in from portals.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Because you would think somebody would see some type of evidence,
get some type of evidence, whether it could be a.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Bigfoot of carcass. Now, I was up in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I have seen a dead black bear that died naturally
in the woods. I've seen elk, I've seen deer, I've
seen every kind of animal out there, but I have
never seen any type of evidence from a bigfoot. So
my thought is, yes, it is coming from a different dimension,
just coming back and forth, hopping back and forth. The
ghost part, the paranormal, I don't have an answer for that.
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I'm looking for the day I'm looking for that, or
looking forward to the day that I get to experience
something that's out there.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
What do you think The hardest part for these witnesses
is does it take a psychological toll on them living
with this experience?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Absolutely? The real proffs, the real reason why we created
uappd's mission statement is because whether you're a police officer
or you're a garbage truck driver, an accountant, a dentist,
I don't care who you are, you encounter something like that,
there is an emotional trauma that you're going to feel.
It comes from like cognitive dissonance, like what you everybody
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has a thought the life in their brain about how
they feel the world works or how life works. Whenever
you're confronted by something that doesn't seem to fit into
your own personal beliefs of how the war works, you're
going to have a little bit of a trauma there
like trying. It may not be major, it may just
be something like, oh okay, that's weird, or it could
be something more pronounced, like these type of events where
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you're seeing a big foot type creature, or you're seeing
the ghost of your aunt that you know is dead,
or you're seeing some sort of craft flying in the
sky that you're looking at it and not able to
explain it. Any of those experiences, regardless of what your
career is, is going to have a toll psychologically on you.
The difference is as first responder, we are trained to
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know how to handle these situations whenever they come up,
Like anytimee oh, you go to a car accident, you
go to a robbery, you go to a murder, You're
supposed to have it all under control. And that's where
I think the differences with first responders because they'll see
these things, suffer those same traumas that the other non
first responder has, but then they bottle them up because
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that's how we handle these situations. You go into a
murder scene, you can't lose you're cool. You have to
be completely on the level, unemotional, detached. You see this
object in the sky, this thing walking through the woods,
this thing in an abandoned house. You will try and
stay detached. But what it does is you take those experiences,
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put them in a box, stick them in the corner
of your brain, and eventually they come bust and open.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Hey, you guys are looking at cases from all over
the world. Apparently, how many first hand accounts have you heard?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Now we're at about ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's fantastic. What's the strongest case you've heard with the
best empirical evidence?
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I think I just told you.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You think you're you think that's the one?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Is that? Is that it?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Because that is Jef.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah. We we have the nine to one one tape.
I kept the video footage, surveillance footage. I kept all
of it just because I was pissed at that sergeant.
But now it's coming back to like, I'm glad I
kept it. But we have bodycam footage of disembodied voices.
We have video of objects flying through the sky. We
have video of something out at a mission out here
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in Arizona that we can't explain. But we had somebody
that you know, that we know, friend of ours, Mark d' antonio. Actually, yeah,
that I would.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Not take anything that man has to say with any
credibility whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Boy, but we gave a video to him that we
took while we were out at a mission.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
He's the perfect guy to analyze because he actually does
analyze video, as you know, and he's he's actually actually amazing.
So how great you have this relationship that you could
share these with him.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He looked at that video and he's like, I don't
know what the heck you guys have here. But it's
not a trick of the light. It's not an artifact,
it's not something wrong with the video. He's like, but
you do know it's bipedal, it's walking, it's rocking back
and forth in the road, just like you saw. And
he has no idea what it is, but he is
one hundred percent confirmed that it's there. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Well, that's interesting because Mark, as you know, ninety nine
percent of the time, is able to come up with
an alternative explanation to these videos.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Yeah, that's why that video is one of the ones
we hold near and dear to our art Also.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Now, are you guys able to share these videos, like
either on a website or something so that other people
can see them? Or do you share them with other
things like move On for example, or New Fork. You know,
do you guys share any of these case information?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
We will do that in our on stage presentations.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
We do, like Dave's story, we always do with the
and the last thing we do is we play that
nine to one one tape.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
That's the last thing we do. We just don't do
them on the on the internet. Right now.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
We actually are in talks with Truly Original, which is
a production company that they're looking at possibly having a
television show with us, So we're.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Kind of keeping it.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
We'll do we'll share some of these on and on
stage and ask folks please don't tape record, don't use
this later on, you.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Know, to put on YouTube themselves. We don't.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
We won't put them on YouTube quite yet until we
see what what our future holds.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Great. I think you have an excellent hook here with
the credibility of law enforcement looking at this topic. We're
going to take another break here. When we come back,
we're going to ask Marion and Dave where they sit
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Speaker 4 (35:38):
We are back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Mariannn
and Dave from UAPPD. So how do you guys feel
about governmental disclosure? Do you think we're going to get that?
Speaker 7 (35:47):
I say no.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
The reason I say no is just listening. I've been
to numerous conferences. I've been again with mofon for about
seven years and listen to all these different eufologists and
all these scientists. Everyone has their own opinion on what
is real, what is not real, what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
My analogy with that is we have a homicide. I
go to investigate a homicide. There's three different detectives out
there doing this, doing this investigation. Each one of us
has our own opinion on what happened with this homicide.
Now we have all that, nobody can get together and
agree on anything, so we'll never solve the homicide.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Same thing with the UFO and the disclosure. All of
these folks have their.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Own opinion of what is going on out there until
they come together, like the three detectives, and come to
a conclusion to solve that crime unless everybody gets together
and works as a team to figure this out.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
But there's not going to be disclosure.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Likewise, also don't think we're going to get disclosure. But
the reason for my take on it is it's kind
of like what you're talking about governmental disclosure. The way
we're going to get this disclosure is contingent on the government.
So the reality is is if if you're the government
and you and which I believe the government knows a
lot of stuff that they're not telling us. But if
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I'm the government and I have knowledge that there is
a race of beings that can traverse the galaxy, that
can show up wherever they want, and there's nothing that
we can do to stop them, touch them, do anything
about it, what benefit do I have as the government
of telling the population that these people exist.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
That's exactly what I always say, Dave. There's no upside
for them, always down.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
There's no reason because we're literally I'm the government. I'm
going to tell you, hey, guess what. I can't protect
you from these things, right, I no power over them.
There is a group and this universe that there's nobody
on the planet can touch them. There is no upside
for the government to tell us I agree completely.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You've looked at these ninety cases. Do you see similar
among the cases?
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yes, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Like among UFO cases, like UAP cases,
we get a lot of similarities in the type of sighting.
They're driving in the middle of nowhere, they're driving in
the dark, you're looking for the I hate to say this,
but like the modus operande or whatever you want to
call it from everything from paranormal things all kind of
evolving the same way to UAPPD all evolving the same way.
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But the thing that is kind of unique overwhelmingly the
similarity that we keep finding is that we have a valid,
conferable a sighting by a credible witness, and something is
preventing them from saying Like in my case, I had
a supervisor that told me to not talk about it.
It might be those stigmas. I know, it's probably not
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the link that you were hoping for, but that's the
glaring one that we see, is that regardless of what
is seen or who sees it, there is something that
is preventing these people from coming forward and talking about it,
which until we can get them into a comfortable place
where they can say it we're missing wonderful evident and
witness statements that could be leading us towards true conclusions
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and maybe some questions answered that we have been dying
to get that we're not getting because there is something
preventing these people from coming forward and seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Have these experiences affected, particularly the one that you had personally, David,
Have these affected like your sense of identity and purpose
and all this?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yes, The easiest way that I can sum it up is,
all of a sudden, I started to feel really small,
because all of a sudden, you start realizing you don't
have all the answers and this world is a lot
bigger than we thought.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
It was. Absolutely, I mean absolutely that even like when
you lose like your parents, it's like you start thinking, like,
wait a minute. It It just changes the way you
look at things. It's incredible. Do you guys have any
gut feeling as to what may be going on here?
There's somebody studying us, somebody's watching us. Do you think
maybe it's us? What's your gut feeling? Just by looking
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at this so closely, I.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Think he has a different answer than I do.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I could just after we talked about this, So I'm
gonna answer first, and I'm gonna let him do his
lengthy I believe that they are coming down, they're studying us,
we're talking to UAPs. If you look at Lumberton, North Carolina,
it's a historical case the late Great Lee Spiegel. This
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was his investigation that he did where there was a
UFO over I think it was like seven counties, eleven cities.
There was like thirty five officers that chase this thing.
Where they first saw this craft and where pretty much
the last place they saw the craft was over a
water tower. Okay, what are they doing? Are they getting
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their energy from that? You hear that there's these crafts
that are coming over generating stations. I really believe they're
coming in. They're checking out what type of technology we have.
I don't think they're me personally not meaning any harm.
I think they're just seeing what type of technology. That
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is my thought on this. There's been numerous cases again
of these crafts coming in, checking things out and then
just taking off.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
My not I believe it was.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Up in South Dakota or North Dakota where the theft
came over the missile site.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's David Chindell.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Listen did they come They just again, are they trying
to just check out our technology?
Speaker 7 (41:30):
See what we've got going on.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
They're definitely does thing to be a tie in with
the nuclear thing, because we see that time and the
time with nuclear basis, nuclear weapons storage, all of those things.
You know, what is your guys' plan going forward? I
know you mentioned there's a possible TV thing here. Do
you want to continue gathering more cases and expanding this?
Is that your plan?
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Absolutely? Our mission is to help first responders. Like we
get asked all the time by people like, well, do
you believe ghosts to real? Do you believe UFOs are real?
Leave Bigfoot of real? And our usual response is is
it doesn't really matter what we believe. What we want
to do is help the first responders who experienced it,
whatever it was, whether they saw UAP, they saw UFO,
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they saw Bigfoot, they sancos, we want to help them.
So where we want to take this is we want
to take it to that end and help these first
responders who have seen stuff and have been sitting in silence,
Like I sat in silence for seven years, not talking
about what happened to me until I was able to
retire and finally start talking about and create this organization.
We know there are other first responders that are doing
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the same thing. They've got stories from ten years ago,
twelve years ago that they're just sitting there and it's
eating them up inside. Our goal is to, like, at
the end of the day, it's not my job to
convince you that ghosts exists, or you that UFOs exists,
or you that Bigfoot exists. But if I can convince
you guys that, hey, you know what, there's more to
the world than what I know. That's all we're trying
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to do is push that needle a little bit to make.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
It come af far. Already, I don't know what the
hell's going going on, but there is something going on.
Do you How do you, guys personally respond to skepticism,
you know from scientists and academics that just don't want
to hear this at all.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
Well, as a reformed skeptic, I'll call myself, I like
to handle it this way. I look at them and
I use this analogy. If I took a cell phone
and I went back one hundred years ago and show
it to somebody, They're going to look at it like
it's magic, because they don't understand that, But we have
cell phones are being twelve year old kids are walking
around using them all day long. If I then take
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a piece of technology from one hundred years ago and
I take it back and we go one hundred more
years in the past, and I show them that cell
phone and I show them that a sewing machine, butter
chair and whatever it was, They're going to look at
both of those pieces of technology with the same awe
and wonder. They are both magic to them. But we
would look at it, the three of us would look
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at it as well, this is just a cell phone,
and that's something that's archaic. So maybe the skeptics, maybe
this is just stuff we don't understand and yet, and
one hundred years from now we're gonna understand more when
it is.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
I sit right there, Dave, I agree with that completely.
We need to stop here, guys, we're out of time,
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Speaker 4 (01:02):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're speaking with Mary Anne, rob and Dave Rich, who
have combined fifty nine years in law enforcement experience. In
twenty fifteen, Marianne joined Muffon and spent seven years as
a field investigator and five years as an instructor alongside Dave,
teaching investigators how to apply law enforcement methods such as
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evidence collection and advanced interviewing techniques to the UFO cases.
They formed an organization called UAPPD, which aims to destigmatize UFOs, UAPs,
paranormal and cryptic sightings, as well as provide resource and
a safe zone for law enforcement officers and first responders
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to handle and share their encounters with without the fear
of being ridiculed or even damaging their career. Hey, guys, welcome,
Thanks thanks for having us. Thank you, very happy to
have you here. I think this is a really great idea.
I love to see people in law enforce embrace this.
You know, when you think about it, there aren't that
many big UFO cases that we hear about that involve
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police officers. And I bet that's not for there being
a lack of cases as much it is about them
having a fear of reporting those cases. I mean, these
are the people that are out there, They're out and about,
often late at night. They're trained observers. You know, they're
going to make the perfect eye witness. But it sounds
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to me, much like with the military, like there's still
this strong stigma and repercussions to those coming forward with
such stories. Is that true?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Absolutely? I believe the main crux of where the stigma
comes into play really falls down into two categories. As
a law enforcement officer, for any successful case, you have
to have two things, evidence and your credibility. The moment
you start mentioning things like high strangeness, paranormal cryptids, UFOs, ueps,
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people who don't believe in those things will start questioning
their credibility, and as officers, we're kind of aware of that.
So it's one of those things where if you do
see something, you kind of just hold it inside because
of that threat to your credibility, which will then hurt
your actual professional career.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Interesting. Yeah, have you seen things loosen up as this
topic has become more mainstream, like in the last ten years,
or it's still pretty much that way in the forest
in the.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Police department, it's still that way. I know that there is,
you know, the government talking about disclosure. They're telling the military,
oh it's okay, come forward, it's all right, no problem.
They're telling that to commercial airline pilots. But i'll tell
you right now, when it comes to law enforcement first responders.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
I don't think it's ever going to let up it.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
I wish we could put something out there, but I
think because of that stigma, because of that threat to
their career, they are just going to keep their mouths
shut and not even talk to their fellow officers.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
They don't want any part of that.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
We actually notice the difference believing or not geographically. So
if you have a city officer, county officer, federal agent,
they don't want to say anything. But if we have
encountered a number of officers on different Indian reservations who have
no problem coming forward and talking about it, and we
actually had some interesting kind of conversations with some of
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these officers, And as near as we can track it
down to is it really comes down to the fact
that in the Native American culture, all of these things
are just more readily accepted. They're part of their culture,
they're part of their history, and so an officer seeing
a spirit or a skinwalker or some sort of star
person something like that, to them, it's not that big
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of a deal because the community is also like, oh, yeah, well,
you know, my uncle saw one or I saw one
or stuff like that. So there it's more accepted. But
the moment you get off of the so to speak,
then you get in the cities and stuff, then you
kind of run into that hole. Everybody's tight lipt.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Right, or they'll say you're off the reservation. Yeah, that
comes full circle. See now it seems to me like
an idea for you guys would be to go after
the retired officers. I wonder if that's something you could do,
because maybe they'd be more willing to come forward.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
Well, we do.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
We go for all officers, whether retired or still on
the job. Matter of fact, we just did a little
event called Hero's Day that was out at the Superstition
Mountain Museum a couple of weeks ago, and we actually
had a retired homicide detective from Tempe, Arizona come out.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
He says, I saw you on Facebook. I knew you
were going to be here.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I wanted to come out because I've got a story
I want to share with you and I have never
talked about it before.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
So yeah, we're going to go to his house. But
we also have.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Retired I have a retired Federal Department of Corrections officer.
He's retired for like six seven years. But I went
to his house and we sat in his front porch
and he told me about four different cases of UFOs
and he actually was visited by an entity in his
own house, and he said I could not talk about
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this whatsoever, and he cried.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I mean, I've got this on tape. He's crying, saying
thank you. I didn't know where to go. Thank you
for coming and talking to me and letting me tell
you these stories.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But you know what's interesting about what you just said there, Marianne,
is that this is exactly word for word what Don
Schmidt had said interviewing a lot of the military guys
from Roswell fifty sixty years after the fact. And these
guys would break down crying saying that I haven't talked
about this in fifty five years. I haven't talked about
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this in sixty years. It's hard for them because, of
course they were even threatened. Supposedly, many of them alleged
that they were threatened and told not to talk about this.
So I love this idea of you guys doing training
the field officers too, and investigating and showing them how
to collect data properly and do proper interviews. I think
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that's going to get us better quality data from places
like Moufon. I think that's brilliant.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
That is, you know, talking about the retire.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Even though the retired, a lot of them don't want
to be identified. They're still afraid that working for the government,
they're going to take the pension away. Now with Moffon,
we both were with Moufon field investigators and all during
the boot camps that Phoenix Moufon had oh gosh for
the past seven years.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
They can learn.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I mean, these folks, you know, could take some stuff
off of the Moufon site and Moufon University. But having
an actual police officer to come and do the training
of the interviewing and well, i'd say terrogation, but we're
not going to interrogate. But we have, like you said,
we're fifty nine years experience between the two of us.
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We know how to interview. We've interviewed hundreds of thousands
of people.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I've forgotten more interviews than I can remember.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
And wow, that is what's cool is we go ahead
and we teach these folks how to do a good interview.
You don't ask leading questions, you don't ask yes and
no questions. And the biggest thing is don't have that
preconceived notion they read this report going oh yeah, based
on UFO. No, don't go in with the mindset you
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know what it is, do that whole interview, the whole investigation.
Then if you can come up with a conclusion, fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Now let me ask you this, yes or no? No,
I'm just kidding. See good I did there. My open
ended questions you guys, is what sort of cases do
you typically get? Is it mostly strange lights or more
having strange paranormal experiences.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I would say the majority of the stuff that we
have is really more paranormal spirit interaction to somebody, voices,
things that are seeing and gone. Then our second most prevalent,
I would say, is UFOs and UAPs. We've got some
video from a police constable in Australia that found out
(09:22):
about us, and we did an interview over zoom and
she sent us an amazing story about stuff that she
had in a video from her living room that she
filmed right out of her living room all the way
up to officers that were on duty, and pictures that
they gave us from things that they saw literally driving
around at night and see a like an object flying
in the sky comes down to the ground. He's got
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amazing pictures of it and then it zips off and
the coolest part is he then gets a call from
another officer that's like ten miles north, who's like, did
you see something fly over there? He's like, yeah, I
just saw it. And so we have two independent officers
witnessing the same incidents. So we are getting the majority
of this suff we're getting a paranormal, but we are
(10:04):
getting a good number of UAP things. Now the cryptis
are the ones that we're not really getting.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
A ton of.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
That's probably.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, well I love that. I love I always love
multi witness cases. But you know, this seems like something
as you guys expand, maybe officers would be willing to
send in video that they've recorded anonymously and then nobody
knows who they are. They don't have to put their
name on it. And yet you could have this collection
that was sent in from an officer, this was sent
in from and you could just you know, collect that
(10:31):
that'd be good data. When we come back, we're going
to ask Marianne and Dave about how they became so
passionate about this, and hear about Dave's incredible case that
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Marian
and Dave from uappd Dave, you were a pretty hardcore
skeptic about all these things paranormal, as I understand it.
Can you tell us the story that took place at
the school that opened your mind to this notion that
there might be something more to all of this.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Absolutely, and ron to say that I was a skeptic,
that was practically an understatement. Like I truly, up until
April of twenty seventeen, did not believe in any of this.
It was all, hey, there's a logical explanation. It's all garbage.
It's somebody lying, it's a hoax.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
How interesting there was twenty seventeen because that was the
big watershed year with the New York Times and all
that too, So that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
April of twenty seventeen, I'm working as a school resource
officer at one of the high schools out here in Arizona,
and it was a Saturday, the night of prom. Prom
isn't held at the school, It's actually held at an
off site. I go into the problem. Principal walks up
to me and goes, hey, did you hear about the
nine one one call at the school today? And I'm like, no,
why would there be nine on one collors? Nobody at school?
(13:03):
It's a Saturday. So I get on the phone called
dispatch and the dispatcher just starts laughing at me. And
says you need to talk to this specific officer. So
I send him a text actually, and his response is, dude,
your school is and I don't know if I can
say provanities, but begins with an F haunted. So I
give him a call. I'm like, what the hell are
you talking about? And so he proceeds to tell me.
(13:25):
This dispatch gets a call at just before noon. So
middle of the day, nine one one operator answers the phone, says,
nine one one, what's your emergency. There's a voice that
sounds like a woman or maybe like a girl like
that whisper talking, but clear enough that you could clearly hear,
and it sounds like it says I'm scared. Dispatcher says,
(13:45):
what was that? And it says it again, I'm scared.
Dispatcher says, you're scared, and then it says no, and
then you hear the phone receiver get dropped onto the countertop.
So the officers show up fourteen minutes it takes them
to get there. During that fourteen minutes, that phone is
an open line and the dispatcher is trying to get
somebody to pick up the phone. So every couple of
(14:05):
minutes you hear hello, pick up the phone. Hello, are
you there?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
You okay?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Hello? Then fourteen minutes later officers get there. They make
entry with this thing called the knoxbox key, which gets
them a master key to the school. They go inside.
Officer walks up, seize the phone on the counter, picks
it up. Hey, this is you know Officer so and
so has a conversation with the dispatcher, says, okay, well
we're going to search the school. You know, this has
got to be the phone. It's the one that's laying
on the counter with the open mind. So he hangs
(14:30):
up the phone. They proceed to search the building. Now,
this building is the administration building at this school, so
the only thing in it there's no classrooms. It's just
the principal's office, assistant principal offices, counseling reception, and then
the nurse's office, and then there's one supply closet. So
it's a relatively quick building for the two officers to search.
So they search the building, they don't see anybody. They
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go to the nurse's office. They walk into the nurse's office. Now,
the way in law enforcement, when you walk into a
room that you don't know which way it goes. You
kind of do this weird kind of stack thing where
one guy is slightly in front of the other and
you kind of hit the door quickly, and then one
guy peels to the right, one guy peals to the left.
So these two officers do that at the door to
the nurse's office. They go inside. One peels right, one
(15:12):
pills left, and as soon as they start peeling, something
that neither of them could see physically pushes on their
shoulders between them and out of the room. They spin around,
go running out of the room and looking around and
they see nothing. So they finish the search, and they're like,
what the heck they get out of there. Ron, I'm
listening to this story on my phone and I'm like, right, yeah, okay, sure,
(15:36):
I don't think much of it. I do the rest
to prom I think that's the end of it. Monday morning,
I come into work. My sergeant looks at me and says, hey,
what about the what happened with this nine one one call?
And I'm like, a nine on one call the school,
nothing happened. They did search, I didn't find anybody. So
the sergeant looks at me and says, hey, well you
have to investigate this, And I'm like why, and he's like, well,
it's misuse of nine to one one, and so I'm
(15:56):
like think. I'm thinking at the time, well, yeah, I
guess that makes sense. If there was nobody in the school,
somebody may have found a way to hack nine on one. Yeah,
I guess we do need to get to the bottom
of this. What I didn't understand is that sergeant was
a very big ghost nut and he just wanted his
number one skeptical officer to try and do an investigation.
And he picked me because a it was my school.
I was a former homicide detective. I have all the
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investigative techniques that were needed for this type of investigation.
So I launch into this investigation one hundred percent thinking
I'm going to get to the bottom of this is
going to be a logical explanation. So I start doing
the search. The first thing, pull video from the school
security camera has that phone right in the center of
the video screen. Now it's not detailed enough to see
(16:40):
the phone come off the cradle, but it is one
hundred percent detailed enough that you can see that and
if anybody is at that phone, you're going to see
it front side of the desk, backside of the desk anything.
There are three sets of motion detecting lights, one directly
over the desk, one in front, one behind. All those
lights clicked on when the officers got in there. So
I look at this and I'm like, Okay, well, clearly
(17:00):
I'm going to find who did it, because they're going
to be on the video. The phones right there. So
I take the video. I go all the way back
to six o'clock in the morning for when it starts,
So this is six hours before the actual call comes in,
mainly because I wanted to get all my ducks in
the row. Somebody broke in. I want to see them,
how they broke in, where they got in, what did
they do besides call then on one. So I start
(17:20):
watching the video. At seven o'clock in the morning, I
see the back door open and one of the security
guards comes in to get something out of the supply closet,
which is nowhere near this desk. She comes in, the
lights on the front side of the desk click on,
she grabs us up, she leaves, lights click off. Twenty
minutes later, at about ten thirty in the morning, the
lights just over the desk click on, and I'm like, well,
(17:42):
that's weird. How did the lights just over the desk
click on when nothing you can't get to the desk
without coming from the front or the back. One of
those should have clicked on too, But I don't see anybody,
and it's daytime, so you can see in there. Even
with the lights on or off, you still see that
there's nobody there. So then that was the lights click off.
At eleven fifty four when this phone call comes in,
(18:04):
there is nobody standing at that desk. Wow, I'm like, okay,
that's weird. Fourteen minutes later, I see the two officers
come in from the bottom of the screen. I see
them go over. I see the one pick up the phone.
I see the conversation. I've listened to the nine one
one tape. I knew that the conversation happened. I see
him hang up now. I see all the motion lights
come on when they walk in. The ones in front
(18:26):
come on when he gets to the desk, the one
over the desk comes on. When they search behind the desk.
All those ones come on, so I know all the
lights are working. They search the entire thing. The nurse's
office is at the bottom of the screen. If you're
looking at the security footage. I see the two of
them go up to the door. I see the two
of them stack up, they go in in Immediately, within
like seconds, they both come running back out looking around,
(18:48):
like what the heck. So I'm still watching this, go well,
this is this is really weird. I don't know what
this is. So I take the nine to one one tape.
I send it off to some people that we know
to kind of analyze it, because I again thinking somebody
may have hacked the nine one one system. Is this
a computer generated voice? Is it something like that? While
that was being analyzed, I was also going around and going, hey,
(19:08):
what are the possibilities that somebody called from a classroom
and routed it through the front desk. So I go
and talk to the nine to one one call center
trying to figure out because again I'm like, okay, there's
a logical explanation. I talked to the nine one one
supervisor and she's like, no, that wouldn't work because on
the computer right here, it shows which phone it comes
in from, and it shows that it came in from
(19:29):
the what they called reception B, which is the second desk,
and she's like and then more importantly, why was the
phone off the hook for the officer to come up
and pick up on an open line? And I'm like,
well yeah, so, long story short, I run down every
possible lead. I go so far as to get somebody
from the school with the phone that does phones there
to go out with me to the phone box, and
(19:50):
we like cracked the phone box open to see like
old school somebody using warriors to patch into the system.
Long story short, I can't find any anyway this phone
call came in. I'm not gonna say like I was
a believer yet, but I was really hardcore starting to
question some stuff because none of this is making sense.
Every time I came up with, oh, this has to
(20:11):
be the answer, I ended up finding a reason why
it wasn't the answer. We end up completing this investigation.
I don't know what's going on. Then I realize, hey,
something happened when they went into the nurse's office. Maybe
I should go talk to the nurse see if anything's
going on there. So I go into the nurse's office.
The nurse happens to be the wife of a Shaffs
Deepee so I've known her for six years. At this point,
(20:31):
we've talked. We have that relationship where we can talk
and shoot the breeze and stuff like that. I walk
in there, you know, Hey, what's up. How's it going.
I'm like, hey, cool, everything's normal until I bring up
the idea or the conversation about this phone call. The
moment I bring up the phone call, she shuts down,
but I don't press it because again I don't think
she's my suspect. And one thing leads to another. I
go back a couple hours later, same thing. She ends
(20:54):
up shutting down as soon as I mentioned.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
The phone call.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
So the last thing I do, I'm like, okay, I'll
give it a couple of days. During that time, I
get the results back from the nine on one tape
nine one one tape. The guy says, hey, I don't
know what you have here, but it's not a human voice.
It's not a computer generated voice. And he's like, more importantly,
you know, it's not saying I'm scared. He says, it
says I scare, And I'm like yeah. So I go
(21:20):
back talk to the nurse third time. She's friendly, everything
until I bring up the phone call. She literally slams
a pen down on the desk and says, fine, I'll
tell you. She proceeds to tell me that she's been
haunted by spirits her entire life, and they will follow
her when she moves, she goes to a different house,
they'll be quiet for a couple of days, and then
they get kicks back up. I'm like, well, why didn't
(21:41):
you tell me this before? She's like, cause three weeks
ago everything at the house stop. And I'm like, okay,
then why are you telling me now? And she said,
because two days ago we ended up looking and found
that the first there was actually that phone call that
we got was actually the third. The first one came
three weeks ago, lines up perfectly, but there wasn't a voice.
(22:02):
There was just nine to one one calls. But now
here's the key for why we actually created you appd.
A couple of days go by and I'm like, I
don't know how to explain this. I tell my sergeant,
I don't know what this is.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I get called upstairs to a sergeant's office. It's not
my sergeant, but a sergeant upstairs. I walk in. He's
got two computer screens one's an MP three player with
the nine one one tape. The other one is the
still of the security footage. He plays it for me
and looks at me and says, you expect me to
believe this crap, And then he literally accuses me of
being a liar, accuses me of making up the entire
(22:36):
thing and somehow getting everybody from the dispatcher to the
patrol units that responded to the school district all involved
in this elaborate hoax. I end up storming out of
the office. But the one thing that I remembered is
even though he wasn't much of an officer, he had
stripes and I didn't. So I was like, you need
to keep your mouth shut because if he wants to
press the issue, you're the one that's going.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
To be in trouble.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And you can imagine Dave, it was probably plenty of
all those who've had that similar experience where they said, well,
better not talk about this. We come back. We're going
to ask Marian and Dave from UAPPD and find out
their thoughts on what maybe behind this phenomenon. You're listening
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We're back on Beyond Context speaking with Marion Dave Guys.
At the end of the day, looking at all these
different cases and all this research you've done, where do
you sit on what you think might be happening. I
know we don't have a conclusion, But like, do you
think maybe there's an alien presence? Is there a dimensional presence?
Is there something to do with the afterlife? Where do
(25:18):
you guys guess these strange occurrences are originating.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's a great question for me, and I can't speak
for Marion, but for me, I think it's multifaceted. I
think there's different aspects of different things. One thing that
I do believe is I believe they're all related, and
one way or another, I don't understand what the tie is.
But when we do our stage presentations, we actually have
a Venn diagram for ufology, paranormal and cryptozoology, and we
(25:45):
have them all overlapping because you have such amazing crossovers like,
for example, David Politis, one of his most recent movies
was specifically the link between Bigfoot sightings and UFO sightings
and these national parks and these disappearances. Got things like
TV shows like Terror in the Woods, which is a
link between cryptozoological creatures and paranormal activity. And then you've
(26:08):
got things like orbs and stuff like that, where you
have orbs as in energy orbs that are in like
a hunted house. But then you can also be outside
and see them flying in the sky as if it
was a UAP or UFO. So I believe they're all related.
I don't necessarily know how, but there are too many
similarities for them not to be. But I do think
(26:29):
that there is extra dimensional Like you've got these great
stories of people that are tracking, for example Bigfoot, and
all of a sudden, these footprints appear in the middle
of a snow covered field and they go for like
one hundred and fifty yards and then they vanish, and
the beginning of the trail and the end of the
trail are way far away from a tree line or anyplace.
So it's like, where did these footprints all of a
(26:49):
sudden appear? And then where the heck do they go?
And we've got a number of stories like that that
we've heard from people, not law enforcement, but just of
that phenomenon happened, which would clearly make me think, Okay,
either Bigfoot got flown into a helicopter and nobody saw it,
or maybe there's some sort of portal or some sort
of dimensional thing that they're coming through, and maybe they're
(27:10):
not intentionally coming through, maybe it's accidental they slipped through.
They slipped back out. But that's like my take on
I know Mary I might have a different one.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Well, my take is kind of like Dave's. I am
very much a skeptic. I never have seen a cryptid.
I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen a paranormal.
I haven't had any experiences whatsoever. So my take is
just hearing from different folks and different witnesses say, ufolks,
(27:39):
we are not alone in this universe. To me, you
have to have your head in the sand. And excuse
me if I'm offending anyone, but you have to have
your head in the sand. If you think we are
the only ones in this entire universe, we're not. We
don't know what's out there, what type of other entities
(27:59):
or persons are out there. But there are people or
there's things out there talking about the Bigfoot.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I do believe there is. They're coming in from portals.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Because you would think somebody would see some type of evidence,
get some type of evidence, whether it could be a.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Bigfoot of carcass. Now, I was up in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I have seen a dead black bear that died naturally
in the woods. I've seen elk, I've seen deer, I've
seen every kind of animal out there, but I have
never seen any type of evidence from a bigfoot. So
my thought is, yes, it is coming from a different dimension,
just coming back and forth, hopping back and forth. The
ghost part, the paranormal, I don't have an answer for that.
(28:43):
I'm looking for the day I'm looking for that, or
looking forward to the day that I get to experience
something that's out there.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
What do you think The hardest part for these witnesses
is does it take a psychological toll on them living
with this experience?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Absolutely? The real proffs, the real reason why we created
uappd's mission statement is because whether you're a police officer
or you're a garbage truck driver, an accountant, a dentist,
I don't care who you are, you encounter something like that,
there is an emotional trauma that you're going to feel.
It comes from like cognitive dissonance, like what you everybody
(29:18):
has a thought the life in their brain about how
they feel the world works or how life works. Whenever
you're confronted by something that doesn't seem to fit into
your own personal beliefs of how the war works, you're
going to have a little bit of a trauma there
like trying. It may not be major, it may just
be something like, oh okay, that's weird, or it could
be something more pronounced, like these type of events where
(29:40):
you're seeing a big foot type creature, or you're seeing
the ghost of your aunt that you know is dead,
or you're seeing some sort of craft flying in the
sky that you're looking at it and not able to
explain it. Any of those experiences, regardless of what your
career is, is going to have a toll psychologically on you.
The difference is as first responder, we are trained to
(30:02):
know how to handle these situations whenever they come up,
Like anytimee oh, you go to a car accident, you
go to a robbery, you go to a murder, You're
supposed to have it all under control. And that's where
I think the differences with first responders because they'll see
these things, suffer those same traumas that the other non
first responder has, but then they bottle them up because
(30:24):
that's how we handle these situations. You go into a
murder scene, you can't lose you're cool. You have to
be completely on the level, unemotional, detached. You see this
object in the sky, this thing walking through the woods,
this thing in an abandoned house. You will try and
stay detached. But what it does is you take those experiences,
(30:44):
put them in a box, stick them in the corner
of your brain, and eventually they come bust and open.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Hey, you guys are looking at cases from all over
the world. Apparently, how many first hand accounts have you heard?
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Now we're at about ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's fantastic. What's the strongest case you've heard with the
best empirical evidence?
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I think I just told you.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You think you're you think that's the one?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Is that? Is that it?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Because that is Jef.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah. We we have the nine to one one tape.
I kept the video footage, surveillance footage. I kept all
of it just because I was pissed at that sergeant.
But now it's coming back to like, I'm glad I
kept it. But we have bodycam footage of disembodied voices.
We have video of objects flying through the sky. We
have video of something out at a mission out here
(31:33):
in Arizona that we can't explain. But we had somebody
that you know, that we know, friend of ours, Mark d' antonio. Actually, yeah,
that I would.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Not take anything that man has to say with any
credibility whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Boy, but we gave a video to him that we
took while we were out at a mission.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
He's the perfect guy to analyze because he actually does
analyze video, as you know, and he's he's actually actually amazing.
So how great you have this relationship that you could
share these with him.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
He looked at that video and he's like, I don't
know what the heck you guys have here. But it's
not a trick of the light. It's not an artifact,
it's not something wrong with the video. He's like, but
you do know it's bipedal, it's walking, it's rocking back
and forth in the road, just like you saw. And
he has no idea what it is, but he is
one hundred percent confirmed that it's there. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Well, that's interesting because Mark, as you know, ninety nine
percent of the time, is able to come up with
an alternative explanation to these videos.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Yeah, that's why that video is one of the ones
we hold near and dear to our art Also.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Now, are you guys able to share these videos, like
either on a website or something so that other people
can see them? Or do you share them with other
things like move On for example, or New Fork. You know,
do you guys share any of these case information?
Speaker 7 (32:53):
We will do that in our on stage presentations.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
We do, like Dave's story, we always do with the
and the last thing we do is we play that
nine to one one tape.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
That's the last thing we do. We just don't do
them on the on the internet. Right now.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
We actually are in talks with Truly Original, which is
a production company that they're looking at possibly having a
television show with us, So we're.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Kind of keeping it.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
We'll do we'll share some of these on and on
stage and ask folks please don't tape record, don't use
this later on, you.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Know, to put on YouTube themselves. We don't.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
We won't put them on YouTube quite yet until we
see what what our future holds.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Great. I think you have an excellent hook here with
the credibility of law enforcement looking at this topic. We're
going to take another break here. When we come back,
we're going to ask Marion and Dave where they sit
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Speaker 4 (35:38):
We are back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Mariannn
and Dave from UAPPD. So how do you guys feel
about governmental disclosure? Do you think we're going to get that?
Speaker 7 (35:47):
I say no.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
The reason I say no is just listening. I've been
to numerous conferences. I've been again with mofon for about
seven years and listen to all these different eufologists and
all these scientists. Everyone has their own opinion on what
is real, what is not real, what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
My analogy with that is we have a homicide. I
go to investigate a homicide. There's three different detectives out
there doing this, doing this investigation. Each one of us
has our own opinion on what happened with this homicide.
Now we have all that, nobody can get together and
agree on anything, so we'll never solve the homicide.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Same thing with the UFO and the disclosure. All of
these folks have their.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Own opinion of what is going on out there until
they come together, like the three detectives, and come to
a conclusion to solve that crime unless everybody gets together
and works as a team to figure this out.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
But there's not going to be disclosure.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Likewise, also don't think we're going to get disclosure. But
the reason for my take on it is it's kind
of like what you're talking about governmental disclosure. The way
we're going to get this disclosure is contingent on the government.
So the reality is is if if you're the government
and you and which I believe the government knows a
lot of stuff that they're not telling us. But if
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I'm the government and I have knowledge that there is
a race of beings that can traverse the galaxy, that
can show up wherever they want, and there's nothing that
we can do to stop them, touch them, do anything
about it, what benefit do I have as the government
of telling the population that these people exist.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
That's exactly what I always say, Dave. There's no upside
for them, always down.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
There's no reason because we're literally I'm the government. I'm
going to tell you, hey, guess what. I can't protect
you from these things, right, I no power over them.
There is a group and this universe that there's nobody
on the planet can touch them. There is no upside
for the government to tell us I agree completely.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You've looked at these ninety cases. Do you see similar
among the cases?
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yes, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Like among UFO cases, like UAP cases,
we get a lot of similarities in the type of sighting.
They're driving in the middle of nowhere, they're driving in
the dark, you're looking for the I hate to say this,
but like the modus operande or whatever you want to
call it from everything from paranormal things all kind of
evolving the same way to UAPPD all evolving the same way.
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But the thing that is kind of unique overwhelmingly the
similarity that we keep finding is that we have a valid,
conferable a sighting by a credible witness, and something is
preventing them from saying Like in my case, I had
a supervisor that told me to not talk about it.
It might be those stigmas. I know, it's probably not
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the link that you were hoping for, but that's the
glaring one that we see, is that regardless of what
is seen or who sees it, there is something that
is preventing these people from coming forward and talking about it,
which until we can get them into a comfortable place
where they can say it we're missing wonderful evident and
witness statements that could be leading us towards true conclusions
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and maybe some questions answered that we have been dying
to get that we're not getting because there is something
preventing these people from coming forward and seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Have these experiences affected, particularly the one that you had personally, David,
Have these affected like your sense of identity and purpose
and all this?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yes, The easiest way that I can sum it up is,
all of a sudden, I started to feel really small,
because all of a sudden, you start realizing you don't
have all the answers and this world is a lot
bigger than we thought.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
It was. Absolutely, I mean absolutely that even like when
you lose like your parents, it's like you start thinking, like,
wait a minute. It It just changes the way you
look at things. It's incredible. Do you guys have any
gut feeling as to what may be going on here?
There's somebody studying us, somebody's watching us. Do you think
maybe it's us? What's your gut feeling? Just by looking
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at this so closely, I.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Think he has a different answer than I do.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I could just after we talked about this, So I'm
gonna answer first, and I'm gonna let him do his
lengthy I believe that they are coming down, they're studying us,
we're talking to UAPs. If you look at Lumberton, North Carolina,
it's a historical case the late Great Lee Spiegel. This
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was his investigation that he did where there was a
UFO over I think it was like seven counties, eleven cities.
There was like thirty five officers that chase this thing.
Where they first saw this craft and where pretty much
the last place they saw the craft was over a
water tower. Okay, what are they doing? Are they getting
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their energy from that? You hear that there's these crafts
that are coming over generating stations. I really believe they're
coming in. They're checking out what type of technology we have.
I don't think they're me personally not meaning any harm.
I think they're just seeing what type of technology. That
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is my thought on this. There's been numerous cases again
of these crafts coming in, checking things out and then
just taking off.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
My not I believe it was.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Up in South Dakota or North Dakota where the theft
came over the missile site.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's David Chindell.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Listen did they come They just again, are they trying
to just check out our technology?
Speaker 7 (41:30):
See what we've got going on.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
They're definitely does thing to be a tie in with
the nuclear thing, because we see that time and the
time with nuclear basis, nuclear weapons storage, all of those things.
You know, what is your guys' plan going forward? I
know you mentioned there's a possible TV thing here. Do
you want to continue gathering more cases and expanding this?
Is that your plan?
Speaker 5 (41:50):
Absolutely? Our mission is to help first responders. Like we
get asked all the time by people like, well, do
you believe ghosts to real? Do you believe UFOs are real?
Leave Bigfoot of real? And our usual response is is
it doesn't really matter what we believe. What we want
to do is help the first responders who experienced it,
whatever it was, whether they saw UAP, they saw UFO,
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they saw Bigfoot, they sancos, we want to help them.
So where we want to take this is we want
to take it to that end and help these first
responders who have seen stuff and have been sitting in silence,
Like I sat in silence for seven years, not talking
about what happened to me until I was able to
retire and finally start talking about and create this organization.
We know there are other first responders that are doing
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the same thing. They've got stories from ten years ago,
twelve years ago that they're just sitting there and it's
eating them up inside. Our goal is to, like, at
the end of the day, it's not my job to
convince you that ghosts exists, or you that UFOs exists,
or you that Bigfoot exists. But if I can convince
you guys that, hey, you know what, there's more to
the world than what I know. That's all we're trying
(42:55):
to do is push that needle a little bit to make.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
It come af far. Already, I don't know what the
hell's going going on, but there is something going on.
Do you How do you, guys personally respond to skepticism,
you know from scientists and academics that just don't want
to hear this at all.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
Well, as a reformed skeptic, I'll call myself, I like
to handle it this way. I look at them and
I use this analogy. If I took a cell phone
and I went back one hundred years ago and show
it to somebody, They're going to look at it like
it's magic, because they don't understand that, But we have
cell phones are being twelve year old kids are walking
around using them all day long. If I then take
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a piece of technology from one hundred years ago and
I take it back and we go one hundred more
years in the past, and I show them that cell
phone and I show them that a sewing machine, butter
chair and whatever it was, They're going to look at
both of those pieces of technology with the same awe
and wonder. They are both magic to them. But we
would look at it, the three of us would look
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at it as well, this is just a cell phone,
and that's something that's archaic. So maybe the skeptics, maybe
this is just stuff we don't understand and yet, and
one hundred years from now we're gonna understand more when
it is.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
I sit right there, Dave, I agree with that completely.
We need to stop here, guys, we're out of time,
but thank you so much. If you guys can find
them at UAPDASHPD dot com. You can find me on
Twitter and Instagram at c t D Underscore Captain Ron.
Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay
open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right
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