April 3, 2026 • 40 mins
Captain Ron talks with whistelblower Jeffrey Nuccetelli about his personal UFO sightings and Military sightings. Drawing on firsthand experience, Nuccetelli shares what he witnessed during his time in service.
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with a former military police officer with sixteen years
of active duty service in the United States Air Force,
mister Jeffrey Nussatelli. He is best known for documenting and
later testifying to Congress about a cluster of UAP incursions
around Vanderberg Air Force Base between two thousand and three
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and two thousand and five. These were incidents, he says,
were witnessed by multiple personnel and reported up the chain
of command during high priority national missile defense operations. He
provided sworn, written, and oral testimony to the House Oversight
Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets on
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September ninth, twenty twenty five. Since then, he's been even
more involved with research into the UFO topic. So this
is going to be a fascinating show. Hey, Jeffrey's so
great to see you, Bud.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Hey, happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Man of course. Man, so you testified to Congress, which,
thank you by the way for doing that. I think
that's great. I think everyone who comes forward helps the
cause and builds another little piece of the puzzle. What
was that like for you to sit before Congress?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You know, that was one of the most intense and
emotionally powerful experiences of my life. You know, me and
the other guys to testify. You know, we take our
oaths and our commitments seriously, so you know, getting up
there and swearing under oath and speaking in front of
the whole world was you know, profound for me. So, yeah,
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it was a life changing experience.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Man. I bet I was wondering if what was it
like leading up to the hearing? Were you nervous? Was
there like any intimidation that you felt from anyone, or
any repercussions that you were facing.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Yeah, there was quite a bit of backlash leading up
to the hearing a few months prior. Congress had been
aware of my case since twenty twenty three, and my
name had been brought up multiple times to testify, so
you know, the bad actors were aware that I was,
you know, in the bullpen. And yeah, we me and
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the other guys did receive some threats intimidation, So it
got pretty sketchy there leading up to it, but we
were all committed.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
It's like, if you're going to attack us or publicly
humiliate us, bring it on. You know, we were not
going to be deterred.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Obviously, there's probably a lot of people who are deterred
and don't come forward. And I just think this is
another piece that weighs it in your favor because why
would they do that to you? Why would they intimidate
you if there's nothing to tell you know what I mean, Yeah,
I know nothing, no one's going to say anything to me.
But if if some one's present pressure on you, there
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must be a reason they don't want that out. Hey, afterwards,
was there this huge sensor relief? Like, were you glad
that you did it? Afterwards?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah? Absolutely. It had been a goal of mine, you
know from the beginning when I got involved in this
topic that I wanted to have the opportunity to testify
under oath. I wanted people to know it was serious,
that I had actual documentation, actual evidence. I wanted to
do that to give some you know, power and impetus
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for the other witnesses that haven't come out, to give
them some you know, a playing field, a level playing
field to come out. So yeah, afterward it was it
was a huge relief, and I was very you know,
honored to have the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It's great to have it, you know, officially in the
congressional record forever. You know. I feel like, let's say
we do get disclosure, even if it's let's say twenty
years from now, how great to look back. Yeah, that
moment that you did this, you know what I mean,
I think it's wonderful what has come out of this
for you since you testified.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
So initially I had a huge swell of support from
the military community. A lot of people reached out, people
that knew me and people that didn't know me, thanking
me for doing it. And then a lot of additional
witnesses from Vandenberg, many that I knew and some that
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I didn't, reached out and they provided a ton of
new information on other incidents. I talked about five incidents
in the hearing, but there are many more that occurred
in that timeframe. So what I'm doing now is getting
all that information together in the witnesses and getting ready
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to start to walk them out public.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. See what people don't realize. I think I didn't
realize a lot of these guys that I've talked to
they maybe have one incident, Bob Salas or one of
these other guys that worked at a nuclear facility, and
they had this one incident that happened forty years ago.
Since this has happened to you, you have sort of
become a ufologist. You're researching these cases, you're getting more information,
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you're trying to put it all together, and you've become
a part of this community right away.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's been the most amazing thing to
come out of it. You know, I've had an opportunity
to travel around and go to these conferences at different events,
and the most rewarding thing is all the people you meet,
you know, just average everyday people that show up. And
I've gotten more friends out of these, you know, good
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like really good relationships with friends now the people that
I would have never met. So yeah, it's just been
an amazing journey.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You know. I agree. We've met people at Contact in
the desert obviously, and it's just it becomes this communal family,
extended family thing. It's really a real currenct.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Every event I go to, I meet someone and it
becomes a lifelong friend. It's just amazing. That's so cool.
That's so cool.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Hey, there was this interesting moment in the hearing when
they asked each of you your feelings on UFOs before
your sightings. So I fully expected you all to say, oh,
I had no interest never you know, I was a
skeptic or whatever, but that wasn't what happened. Everyone said
they did have some interest or at the very least
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a curiosity about this subject, which I thought was very
telling of the times. What did you think of that moment?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's sort of a common theme, right, Like a lot
of people that are interested in the topic, sometimes they
get their wish right and they have an experience, But
then you meet a lot of people that have never
had an experience and they're just curious, right. But yeah,
it was pretty wild to learn, you know that Dylan
had multiple encounters throughout his life, and even some of
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the other guys, and we'd all been interested in our
whole lives, you know, and then it comes to fruition
and we're on this grand stage. You know, it's like
a dream come true, you know, despite all the stress
and anxiety and there's some fear, you know, it's like
it's a real privilege, you know, to get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Absolutely, I think you should feel very proud of that.
I mean, I think that's that's a great thing because
I know what a challenge it is to even come
forward like that and all the things you got to overcome.
You know, just just a few weeks ago, not even
did you see that comment by Senator Eric Berlson when
he said he's going to try to see the craft
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and bodies and he says, I have approval from the administration.
That's a very provocative thing to say. And I don't
even know why he would say this out loud, you know,
I would just just shut up, just go do it.
I was shocked when he did that, But it is
very interesting to have a sitting senator say that. What
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did you think of it when you saw it?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Kind of the same thing. A lot of times they
talk about, hey, we're going to go to this building
or go look at this location. I'm like, don't tell them, right,
like keep that right.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But it's gives them enough time to move it on
the back, you.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Know, right. But I think it's good. It shows that
this is being taken very seriously in the administration and
behind closed doors in all levels of government. So you know,
I was I was happy to hear it, like, yeah,
it's go time, right.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, that was my next question. Do you feel that
there are more people and more members of Congress and
other areas of our government that are taking this topic
seriously and taking an interest in this?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah? Absolutely. You know, we got a lot of positive
feedback from lawmakers and staffers after the hearing. A lot
of people were inspired to look into it, you know more,
and and I'm very sure that many members of Congress
have seen behind the scenes some of the videos and
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you know, photographic evidence of these craft. You know, once
you've seen it, you can't really help but continue to
dig into it. Right So, I think there's a lot
of momentum behind the scenes right now and.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
For sure, and you know, yeah, it's it's it's one
thing how they talk in Congress. Obviously they're on the
record as well, and they're probably very careful and very measured.
It sounds like you get a chance to talk to
them sort of privately or behind the scenes. Ish, Were
they pretty cool with you and receptive to you on
a personal level?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah? I was actually, you know, shocked at how you know,
just normal in every day most of these people are.
They're just regular human beings when you get to know them.
And you know, sometimes we look at Congress and we
just see the bitterness in the fighting and you know,
but once you know people, you know, you get a
sense that that deep down their good people and they
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do love their country and they care about you know,
their and constituents.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So it's very it gives me some hope, you know,
we got to take a break there, Jeffrey. When we
come back, we're going to ask you about what it
was like to be on the base when these incredible
UFO sightings occurred. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Jeffrey Nussatelli. Jeffrey,
do you mind going through You said there was more
than five. Can you give us just a brief idea
of what some of these were like so people can
get a sense of what you guys witnessed at Vanderberg.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, so we had briefly the initial encounter was the
Red Square and that's been talked about in Congress on
two occasions, the first hearing and the third hearing. And
that's when a giant redwing craft came to one of
our launch facilities broad daylight, early in the morning, and
three Boeing contractors witnessed that called it in and that's
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the incident that started the incursions. But then after that
we were having almost nightly encounters. Typically in almost every case,
a patrolman would see a light over the ocean and
eventually you know, these things would start to move erratically,
or they would perform it, or the lights would would
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be strange, and then we would go on alert and
try to keep the eyes on it, and sometimes they
would just vanish. But other times they would approach the
base and they would come right up to our launch facilities.
They would come right up to a rocket on the pad.
You know, we're talking large like Titan four or Saturn
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four rockets that you know, you know, these are like
ICM ICBM style missiles, and these craft would come right
up to the rocket and do whatever they were doing,
and then they would shoot off. In almost every case,
we had multiple witnesses, so there'd be five people on
scene or maybe a dozen people would see these encounters.
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So at the time there was no really stigma. This
was taken serious. No one was accusing us of pranking
or pulling a joke. And all of that changed near
the end of October when one of the craft landed
on our flight line and that was witnessed by one
of my good friends, Grant Best and his partner. They
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called it in. We had an armed response. It was
another giant craft, multi level, enormous craft that came it
landed on the flight line for just a moment and
then shut off an impossible speed. So, yeah, these encounters
kept just playing out, and I'm up to it, Lei.
We have over a dozen in documented encounters in that
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time frame.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Now separate instances, not the same craft. Correct, Now, what
was the mood like? Was there fear uncertainty? Did most
of you guys just think, well, this must be some
adversary like a spy vehicle, or was it so different
and out of the norm that it must be off planet?
Was that the sense?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, in general, it was the the things we were
encountering were otherworldly. They were like nothing we've ever seen,
you know, and this is two thousand and three. You know,
we had been at war for two and a half
years by this time. Most of the people had been
in combat situations and you know, they've seen quite a bit.
And there was no doubt that what we were experiencing was,
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you know, otherworldly. It never came into our mind it
might be China or Russia or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
You know. I thought about that this morning, Jeffrey. I
was wondering, you know, what really separates a quote unquote
UFO sighting from something we signing to be from aliens
versus from an adversary. And it seems to be that
it's really just the order of magnitude that it seems
that it must be so much more than the enemy has,
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it must be otherworldly. Is that the line that makes you,
guys think it must be off the planet.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah. And the thing is, most of the encounters I'm
talking about from Vanderberg, they were up close. I mean,
these were not ambiguous lights in the distance. These things
were hovering, you know, five hundred feet over my coworkers,
and you know, and they're looking at something that should
not exist. You're looking at one hundred meter square pizza
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box glowing in the sky, right, making no noise, with
no propulsion. Yeah, I mean this shocked people to their core.
The general like vibe was excitement and disbelief, Like people
could not believe it was really happening, but it was.
And there was some fear too. People were freaked out,
you know, so it was a mixed back. I was
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generally more excited, but there were moments. There was a
moment I've talked about publicly that first night where I
was out on the beach alone. I had some night
vision and I was out by myself, and I had
this overwhelming sense of like I was being watched, and
I got really like nervous. I'm like, oh my god,
what if they show up and I'm out here alone,
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Like I don't know these are aliens or what you know. So, yeah,
there was definitely some fear, but in general it was
excitement and disbelief.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
What about up the chin of command? What was their attitude.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Basically the same, you know, no one. I only really
dealt with the chain of command up to my commander,
who was a lieutenant colonel, and I probably did interact
with you know, support group commander and possibly the wing
commander a few times, but they took it serious. And
there were a few people that, you know, they didn't
want to engage with it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'd ask them, you know, what do you think is
going on? And they would just shake their head like
I don't notice it's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It's it's don't even want to touch it, yeah, right right,
it just.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Didn't want to engage at all mentally interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But these other guys, you know, they're just humans too.
Like if you find something that's that overwhelming, it's got
to be just you know, you're you're in awe, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It changed me and the guys I'm close with. I mean,
it changed our lives in every fundamental way. And we've
never stopped thinking about it, you know, we've never stopped
talking about it wondering. So this was a profound and
life changing experience.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's great you have that group because there are some
of these people that I've talked to that you know,
they were alone one time and had this happen, and
then they you know, was it my mind? Was it
something else? You at least kind of are rooted in. Well,
these other guys saw too, and they're just like me,
you know, that's got to be helpful, right, Well, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
That was hugely helpful. But yeah, but in general, you know,
we all went through that over the years. And the
good thing I could pick up the phone. A few
years would go by and I start thinking, you know,
did that happen?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah? I remember, And I'd call my buddies and we'd
catch up, you know, and catch up on life, and
then I'd be like, hey, man, you remember the UFOs
And then we would talk for five hours. I had
that like lifeline to call all these people and be like,
hey man, did that really happen? But a lot of
people don't, and it's difficult to integrate it. And a
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lot of people just buried that in their subconscious and
they forget about it.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
It's got to be difficult, especially if they're all alone
in such and such a traumatic thing happens to you.
Was there an official way of dealing with this? Like,
were you guys trained or prepared in any way at
all if something anomalos happens?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Do this?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I mean in general? Yeah, we're trained to respond to
a multitude of different threats, and we need to be
able to, you know, figure out if we run into
something unexpected how to handle it. We have a lot
of we're highly trained, we have a lot of discretion
on what to do on the ground if we run
into you know, an unknown situation or something novel. But
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nothing came down from higher headquarters on how to prepare,
how to mitigate, how to respond. Just nothing came down.
So we were on our own and we were coming
up with procedures and protocols on the fly, you know, like, okay,
what do we do if one shows up?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, yeah, after you see what who's to say?
It's not going to come back tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, and they did. They kept coming back.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Wow, were you ever instructed or was anyone ever instructed
not to talk about this?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
So I was not well, I was encouraged not to
a few times. But that's some of the new information
I'm going to be bringing out. There was an active
campaign at the time to kind of shut me out
of what was going on because I was involved. You know,
even if I was off duty, people knew I was
like the fox molder. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, people would call
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me and start telling me about these incidents. But I'll
be bringing that information out. So maybe at contact.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh that would be awesome. That would be a perfect
thing to do a contact. Did they give a reason?
Can I ask you that, like, was there like this
is national security or something.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
They were basically trying to suppress. After the landing, I
think the tone changed and they wanted people to stop
calling in the lights. They wanted to try to suppress it,
tamp down.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Oh they thought you guys were calling them in.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
No, they just wanted to They wanted the police us
to stop reporting that we were seeing. They wanted it
to just go away.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's fascinating. Hey, when we come back. We're going to
ask Jeffrey about his own multi witness case that happened
right over his house. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Jeffrey Nussatelli. Jeffery,
you had a sighting at your house with some friends.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Right, Yeah, in two thousand and five, so I was
still stationed at Vanderberg. The UFO encounters had kind of
petered out. They became much more sporadic over the years,
and I don't really remember more than two or three
happening in the intervening time. So what happened was we
had all these incursions in two thousand and three leading
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into two thousand and four, and I was investigating and
responding in real time, but I never saw one up close. Right.
I would see a light here or there briefly, but
I never got to see one. You know, some time
goes by. Now it's two thousand and five. At this time,
I'm in a leadership position in the unit. I'm the
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non commissioned officer in charge of our law enforcement program,
so I'm overseeing the entire law enforcement program. Yeah, I
had had a party at the house on base. Things
that petered out. It's probably like one o'clock in the morning,
and my wife was in bed, and me and two
of my good friends that were co workers. We're in
the backyard, you know, around the fire, drinking beer, and
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my friend Phoenix and her boyfriend. They're married and they're
still together. She noticed a light over the ocean, very
high altitude. Looked like a star, but it was moving.
So we all got up around the fire and we
were watching it. And the thing that caught her attention
was the light was incredibly bright. It was the brightest
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object in the sky at the time. It was a
very clear night. It was pulsing. It was like it
had this like pulsing rhythmic, almost like a heartbeat, and
we're like, wow, that's really weird, and we kind of thought, okay,
it's probably atmospheric effect. It's a satellite. As we watched it,
then it maneuvered and it fluttered like a butterfly, like
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a leaf in the wind, and then we were all
like whoa, you know, and then we knew, okay, this
is not it's sad craft. The object kept you know,
like I said, it started out as a pinpoint of
light like a star, but it kept coming lower and
lower and getting larger and larger, and then every once
in a while it would just vanish. It would be gone,
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and we were like, where to go?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Where did it go?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And you know, a moment later, it would pop back
into view in a different area and we were like, oh, wow,
there it is. And that happened two or three times,
or three or four times, and every time it would
reappear it was a bit lower in elevation and bigger
and brighter, and then it vanished. And when it reappeared,
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it was two hundred feet over my house.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, and we were all just like, oh my god.
And it was this beautiful, you know, blueish white light,
and it was an orb like thirty feet diameter. It
was large like a house, and we just stood at
like looking at it in disbelief. It was no longer pulsing,
and the light wasn't radiating from it, it wasn't lighting
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up the yard or casting a shadow, no noise, and
we just like I remember looking at Brandon, my friend Brandon,
and looking back at it, and I thought, keep your
eyes on it, and I kind of locked my eyes
on it, and then it just vanished. And I looked
at my friends again and they were still looking, and
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I put my eyes back on the spot right over
my house. And then a moment later it reappeared, and
it had moved to the north to like my right,
and had gone up in elevation a little bit. It
was a little bit higher. And when it reappeared, I
was looking directly at it, so my head and eyes
had tracked it unconsciously, and it popped in a view
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and I was like, oh, there it is, and we
all saw it. And it just hung there for you know,
a moment, and then it gently accelerated and kept gently
accelerating and climbing in altitude, and we watched it for
like thirty seconds, maybe a minute, and it climbed all
the way up and became a star and vanished.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, And then I went in the house, I picked
up the phone. I reported it to the command center.
About fifteen minutes later, they called me back with the
reports that they said, nothing you know, on radar, no
air hot air balloons, and yeah, we all we reported it,
did a report the next day and filed it and
that was the end.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And did it seem like an actual structure like a craft?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
It looked solid. I could see a curve, but it
was just this like it was opaque, like a light,
perfectly round.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah. How did you guys go to sleep after that?
You guys, I had a stay up all night? Yeah
we did, moy. Yeah, there's no way, man. Yeah, absolutely incredible.
You know, over your sixteen year military career, did you
notice any changes in the attitude towards even the idea
of there being non human intelligences within the military. Have
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you seen that shift?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I don't know, you know, I think it was probably
always like fifty to fifty because even when I was younger,
like in the early nineties when I joined, we were
hearing UFO reports from people we knew from other bases
in Japan. We had all kinds of incidents. There was
a bunch of things that happened in Korea that I'm
aware of, and on and on and in the US.
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You know, I had buddy stationed in the US and
we'd get together and they'd be like, hey, man, you know,
let me tell you about something weird. And they would
tell me about a UFO they saw in New Mexico
or in Korea, and you know, we'd talk about and
some people are like that it's all bs and other
people are like, oh, you know, when I was a
kid or my grandmother saw something.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So it's just like the general population is the same one. Yeah,
do you have any gut guests as to what you
thought any of these craft or intelligences may be doing,
Like do you think it's surveillance or do you think
it's something else.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I think it's obviously some kind of observation or surveillance, right.
But it's strange because during these encounters, I think what
triggered the incursion was we were launching next generation technology.
These were technologies there were twenty five years ahead of
regular technology that were supposed to give US aerospace dominance
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for twenty five years, right, And that's when the UFO
started to show up, when we started to put these
assets into space. But then, like with my encounter, there
was no launch that night. It was just a lightning
sky and when Phoenix put her attention to it, it
started to pay attention to us. Right, So that's the interaction,
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Like what's going on like that? To me, that's like
communication or intelligence or intent or consciousness. There's an interplay,
so who knows why they come, but they're definitely interested
in the people and the technology, I think.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Which we often hear a lot of these witnesses. As
I mentioned earlier, it's usually around these nuclear bases. Those
are a lot of the guys that have come forward
that have witnessed something like this. It seems to definitely
they seem aware of our military or our technology. Certainly
are nuclear technology, doesn't that seem to be a common theme.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Definitely a common thing. But the other thing, I think
probably many more encounters, at least that I'm aware of,
happen at non nuclear installations or you know, combat areas.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Where there are nonetheless advanced technology.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Though you're saying, yeah, right, so it doesn't have to
necessarily be nuclear, or it could be you know, the conflict,
like even a low level, you know, kind of primitive
conflict they show up.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Do you think at the end of the day, our
government may have either recovered craft or bodies or some
type of NHI tech at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I believe yes, And a lot of that is from
the Vargenia case that really I've always been open to
the idea, but there hasn't been any you know, really
concrete evidence until you know, recently we had David Grush
come out and then I'm like, okay, maybe maybe you
know it's a higher confidence assessment that yeah, we have
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recovered them, and then Vargenia kind of locked it in
for me. So right now that's where I'm landing. I'm like, yeah,
these things do crash and they are recovered by the
US until proven otherwise. Right, do we have better information
that that whole incident in Brazil was just a misunderstanding?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah? No way. Do you think it's just a small, little,
black budgeted cabal that controls that knowledge.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, I think it's a very large and sophisticated program.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And they keep it quiet by NDAs and intimidation.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Intimidation DA's security protocols need to know.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I mean, if something is classified, you know, we won't
talk about it.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Okay, when we come back, We're going to talk and
ask Jeffrey about what's coming next and what we can
really do to get to the truth. You're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
paranormal podcast network. We are back on beyond contact. We're
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speaking with Jeffrey Nisatelli. Hey, but it seems like we
have this big problem with getting more witnesses to testify
in Congress. There seems to be this issue with some
of the witnesses who know more things because a they
can't talk about it in an open forum because of
their NDA or other intimidation factors, or b they can't
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talk to members of Congress about it even in a
skiff because the congressional people don't have the security clearance
to even know about some of these programs. Therefore they
don't even know what to ask these witnesses. Can you
explain how that whole thing works.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, it's quite quite a challenge right now. Right, because
we have a security state within the US government, the
Congress can't seem to get access to, right, And that's
a fundamental problem you know with our demoy I design right, Yeah,
by design, right, So that that is the core issue
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that we're dealing with. The military is in charge of
the information and it's not supposed to be like that.
And that's where I think disclosure, the battle for disclosure
is beginning now.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
We're only now getting a clear picture of the challenges
that lay ahead of us, and part of that is
the class over classification and the fact that our elected
representatives are not allowed to know what our military is doing.
And this is a fundamental problem.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
So Congress has a lot of work to do. They
have to get the rain, they have to get it
back into control of the military industrial complex, and that's
going to be a long, hard fought battle.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Right that.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
We need, you know, some kind of voting block to
get grassroots, district by district, congressional leaders on both sides
of the aisle working together. So that's very difficult.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You said that our reality is classified? Is that what's
driving you on this issue? I think that's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I believe that that reality is literally classified, meaning there
are parts of nature that are kept secret. And this
is physics and every other science that goes along with it,
and we are discouraged or not allowed to look to
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ask questions, to do that type of science, to delve
into the phenomenon. And that's controlled by stigma and classification
and funding for research. Right, So the government is in
control of almost all research funding, and if they're not
going to allow people to look into it, then we're
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not going to get any answers. So I believe that
reality is way more mysterious and enchanted and beautiful and
possibly terrifying than we are allowed to know. And the
government is aware of that, and if we were to
know the truth, it would be both liberating for the
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human race and terrifying.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
So that's what I mean by realities classifying.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Mention that as one of your I'm sorry, no good,
I was going to say that you've mentioned your three
stated goals are Number one is to fund research like
other scientific fields. Two was to end secrecy and this
overclassification that we're drowning in. And number three is to
protect these witnesses, which seems you know that would emboden
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others to come forward, right.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And that's the thing that we're working on now, me
and my friends in the network I have. We've been
promised for many years support, financial support from organizations, legal
support to help to try to walk these people out
that have the information that we all desperately want to know,
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and that support is not manifested, right, So what we're
doing now, we're going to flip the script. It's going
to be whistle blowers and witnesses protecting and supporting whistle
blowers and witnesses. So we're building out an organization to
do that and to legally and responsibly walk these people
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through the process, get them to the right people in
Congress the need to speak to in a protected fashion.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
And is this the fund that you've set up, Jeffrey.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Now, that fund was basically same idea, but it was
a short term, you know, stop gap gap, like we've
got to pay some rent and build people. So that
was that we need something much larger. We need something
like an endowment to take care of these people because
we have to make sure that when they do come
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out and disclose legally they're okay, because their careers are
going to be over.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
They're going to be unemployable, right, So you cannot get
a job now that you've been right, So they're going.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
To need retraining. They might have to go back and
get another degree, right, start a whole new career after this.
So we've got to have resources in place before we
can even start to walk these people out because they're
in jeopardy.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Right. We hear about these very wealthy people that are
interested in this topic, like the Rockefeller for sure, was
extremely interested. You think he'd be the kind of guy
that would be able to start an endowment or something. Right.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I've had at least five meetings over the last two
years with very wealthy people that seem like good people,
and they tell me that they're willing to help, and
they say, what do you need and we tell them,
here's what we need, and here's what we can offer
in return, and then that money never comes, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So do you think it's that they get external pressure
elsewhere could be?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
And also, you know they want a return on their
investment too, right, They don't that's knocking out there because
there are Charlottan's and grifters out there, right, So they
want to make sure that you know that that they're
they're funding a real whistleblower, right.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
So it's tricky because you know, they're saying, well, prove
to me that this guy's information is accurate, and we're
like we kind.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Of right, right, these are nobles too. Yeah, that makes
it very very difficult. I can really feel the quandary
that it is here. Yeah. You know you mentioned that
you're aware of some disclosure allies within the intelligence community
that seemed to be inspired by all of this and
they know it's real and they're trying to help push
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the disclosure process for it. How does that work?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
You know? After the hearing, you know, we really made
an impact behind the scenes, especially in the intelligence community
and the DD Right, there's a lot of people like
me and Dylan Borland and our other friends that are
still in service and know the phenomenon is real, right,
So we have a lot of silent support in the background,
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and those people are finding the courage in their professional
lives to push this top right, So, good things are
happening behind the scenes in the intel community especially, So
we've got some support there now, and I think good
things are happening. But if people are expecting, like some
very rapid disclosure, I don't think that's going to happen.
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It's too complicated and too nuanced and too dangerous. And
this is a multi year, you know effort. I think
we begin the battle begins now.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Fascinating stuff. Hey man, thanks so much for sharing. This
was absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate you taking the time in.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Yeah, and I appreciate you know you giving me the
opportunity and giving us a voice.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
You know what you guys are doing is so important
and I think podcasters and things like Contact in the Desert,
you guys are the frontline troops in this fight. You
do the research, you ask the questions, you give people
an opportunity to share. So thank you man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
We do try. Thank you, brother, and thanks everyone for listening.
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with a former military police officer with sixteen years
of active duty service in the United States Air Force,
mister Jeffrey Nussatelli. He is best known for documenting and
later testifying to Congress about a cluster of UAP incursions
around Vanderberg Air Force Base between two thousand and three
(01:33):
and two thousand and five. These were incidents, he says,
were witnessed by multiple personnel and reported up the chain
of command during high priority national missile defense operations. He
provided sworn, written, and oral testimony to the House Oversight
Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets on
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September ninth, twenty twenty five. Since then, he's been even
more involved with research into the UFO topic. So this
is going to be a fascinating show. Hey, Jeffrey's so
great to see you, Bud.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Hey, happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Man of course. Man, so you testified to Congress, which,
thank you by the way for doing that. I think
that's great. I think everyone who comes forward helps the
cause and builds another little piece of the puzzle. What
was that like for you to sit before Congress?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You know, that was one of the most intense and
emotionally powerful experiences of my life. You know, me and
the other guys to testify. You know, we take our
oaths and our commitments seriously, so you know, getting up
there and swearing under oath and speaking in front of
the whole world was you know, profound for me. So, yeah,
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it was a life changing experience.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Man. I bet I was wondering if what was it
like leading up to the hearing? Were you nervous? Was
there like any intimidation that you felt from anyone, or
any repercussions that you were facing.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Yeah, there was quite a bit of backlash leading up
to the hearing a few months prior. Congress had been
aware of my case since twenty twenty three, and my
name had been brought up multiple times to testify, so
you know, the bad actors were aware that I was,
you know, in the bullpen. And yeah, we me and
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the other guys did receive some threats intimidation, So it
got pretty sketchy there leading up to it, but we
were all committed.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
It's like, if you're going to attack us or publicly
humiliate us, bring it on. You know, we were not
going to be deterred.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Obviously, there's probably a lot of people who are deterred
and don't come forward. And I just think this is
another piece that weighs it in your favor because why
would they do that to you? Why would they intimidate
you if there's nothing to tell you know what I mean, Yeah,
I know nothing, no one's going to say anything to me.
But if if some one's present pressure on you, there
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must be a reason they don't want that out. Hey, afterwards,
was there this huge sensor relief? Like, were you glad
that you did it? Afterwards?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah? Absolutely. It had been a goal of mine, you
know from the beginning when I got involved in this
topic that I wanted to have the opportunity to testify
under oath. I wanted people to know it was serious,
that I had actual documentation, actual evidence. I wanted to
do that to give some you know, power and impetus
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for the other witnesses that haven't come out, to give
them some you know, a playing field, a level playing
field to come out. So yeah, afterward it was it
was a huge relief, and I was very you know,
honored to have the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
It's great to have it, you know, officially in the
congressional record forever. You know. I feel like, let's say
we do get disclosure, even if it's let's say twenty
years from now, how great to look back. Yeah, that
moment that you did this, you know what I mean,
I think it's wonderful what has come out of this
for you since you testified.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
So initially I had a huge swell of support from
the military community. A lot of people reached out, people
that knew me and people that didn't know me, thanking
me for doing it. And then a lot of additional
witnesses from Vandenberg, many that I knew and some that
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I didn't, reached out and they provided a ton of
new information on other incidents. I talked about five incidents
in the hearing, but there are many more that occurred
in that timeframe. So what I'm doing now is getting
all that information together in the witnesses and getting ready
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to start to walk them out public.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. See what people don't realize. I think I didn't
realize a lot of these guys that I've talked to
they maybe have one incident, Bob Salas or one of
these other guys that worked at a nuclear facility, and
they had this one incident that happened forty years ago.
Since this has happened to you, you have sort of
become a ufologist. You're researching these cases, you're getting more information,
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you're trying to put it all together, and you've become
a part of this community right away.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's been the most amazing thing to
come out of it. You know, I've had an opportunity
to travel around and go to these conferences at different events,
and the most rewarding thing is all the people you meet,
you know, just average everyday people that show up. And
I've gotten more friends out of these, you know, good
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like really good relationships with friends now the people that
I would have never met. So yeah, it's just been
an amazing journey.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You know. I agree. We've met people at Contact in
the desert obviously, and it's just it becomes this communal family,
extended family thing. It's really a real currenct.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Every event I go to, I meet someone and it
becomes a lifelong friend. It's just amazing. That's so cool.
That's so cool.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Hey, there was this interesting moment in the hearing when
they asked each of you your feelings on UFOs before
your sightings. So I fully expected you all to say, oh,
I had no interest never you know, I was a
skeptic or whatever, but that wasn't what happened. Everyone said
they did have some interest or at the very least
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a curiosity about this subject, which I thought was very
telling of the times. What did you think of that moment?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's sort of a common theme, right, Like a lot
of people that are interested in the topic, sometimes they
get their wish right and they have an experience, But
then you meet a lot of people that have never
had an experience and they're just curious, right. But yeah,
it was pretty wild to learn, you know that Dylan
had multiple encounters throughout his life, and even some of
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the other guys, and we'd all been interested in our
whole lives, you know, and then it comes to fruition
and we're on this grand stage. You know, it's like
a dream come true, you know, despite all the stress
and anxiety and there's some fear, you know, it's like
it's a real privilege, you know, to get that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Absolutely, I think you should feel very proud of that.
I mean, I think that's that's a great thing because
I know what a challenge it is to even come
forward like that and all the things you got to overcome.
You know, just just a few weeks ago, not even
did you see that comment by Senator Eric Berlson when
he said he's going to try to see the craft
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and bodies and he says, I have approval from the administration.
That's a very provocative thing to say. And I don't
even know why he would say this out loud, you know,
I would just just shut up, just go do it.
I was shocked when he did that, But it is
very interesting to have a sitting senator say that. What
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did you think of it when you saw it?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Kind of the same thing. A lot of times they
talk about, hey, we're going to go to this building
or go look at this location. I'm like, don't tell them, right,
like keep that right.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But it's gives them enough time to move it on
the back, you.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Know, right. But I think it's good. It shows that
this is being taken very seriously in the administration and
behind closed doors in all levels of government. So you know,
I was I was happy to hear it, like, yeah,
it's go time, right.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, that was my next question. Do you feel that
there are more people and more members of Congress and
other areas of our government that are taking this topic
seriously and taking an interest in this?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Yeah? Absolutely. You know, we got a lot of positive
feedback from lawmakers and staffers after the hearing. A lot
of people were inspired to look into it, you know more,
and and I'm very sure that many members of Congress
have seen behind the scenes some of the videos and
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you know, photographic evidence of these craft. You know, once
you've seen it, you can't really help but continue to
dig into it. Right So, I think there's a lot
of momentum behind the scenes right now and.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
For sure, and you know, yeah, it's it's it's one
thing how they talk in Congress. Obviously they're on the
record as well, and they're probably very careful and very measured.
It sounds like you get a chance to talk to
them sort of privately or behind the scenes. Ish, Were
they pretty cool with you and receptive to you on
a personal level?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah? I was actually, you know, shocked at how you know,
just normal in every day most of these people are.
They're just regular human beings when you get to know them.
And you know, sometimes we look at Congress and we
just see the bitterness in the fighting and you know,
but once you know people, you know, you get a
sense that that deep down their good people and they
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do love their country and they care about you know,
their and constituents.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So it's very it gives me some hope, you know,
we got to take a break there, Jeffrey. When we
come back, we're going to ask you about what it
was like to be on the base when these incredible
UFO sightings occurred. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Jeffrey Nussatelli. Jeffrey,
do you mind going through You said there was more
than five. Can you give us just a brief idea
of what some of these were like so people can
get a sense of what you guys witnessed at Vanderberg.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, so we had briefly the initial encounter was the
Red Square and that's been talked about in Congress on
two occasions, the first hearing and the third hearing. And
that's when a giant redwing craft came to one of
our launch facilities broad daylight, early in the morning, and
three Boeing contractors witnessed that called it in and that's
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the incident that started the incursions. But then after that
we were having almost nightly encounters. Typically in almost every case,
a patrolman would see a light over the ocean and
eventually you know, these things would start to move erratically,
or they would perform it, or the lights would would
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be strange, and then we would go on alert and
try to keep the eyes on it, and sometimes they
would just vanish. But other times they would approach the
base and they would come right up to our launch facilities.
They would come right up to a rocket on the pad.
You know, we're talking large like Titan four or Saturn
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four rockets that you know, you know, these are like
ICM ICBM style missiles, and these craft would come right
up to the rocket and do whatever they were doing,
and then they would shoot off. In almost every case,
we had multiple witnesses, so there'd be five people on
scene or maybe a dozen people would see these encounters.
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So at the time there was no really stigma. This
was taken serious. No one was accusing us of pranking
or pulling a joke. And all of that changed near
the end of October when one of the craft landed
on our flight line and that was witnessed by one
of my good friends, Grant Best and his partner. They
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called it in. We had an armed response. It was
another giant craft, multi level, enormous craft that came it
landed on the flight line for just a moment and
then shut off an impossible speed. So, yeah, these encounters
kept just playing out, and I'm up to it, Lei.
We have over a dozen in documented encounters in that
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time frame.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Now separate instances, not the same craft. Correct, Now, what
was the mood like? Was there fear uncertainty? Did most
of you guys just think, well, this must be some
adversary like a spy vehicle, or was it so different
and out of the norm that it must be off planet?
Was that the sense?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, in general, it was the the things we were
encountering were otherworldly. They were like nothing we've ever seen,
you know, and this is two thousand and three. You know,
we had been at war for two and a half
years by this time. Most of the people had been
in combat situations and you know, they've seen quite a bit.
And there was no doubt that what we were experiencing was,
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you know, otherworldly. It never came into our mind it
might be China or Russia or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
You know. I thought about that this morning, Jeffrey. I
was wondering, you know, what really separates a quote unquote
UFO sighting from something we signing to be from aliens
versus from an adversary. And it seems to be that
it's really just the order of magnitude that it seems
that it must be so much more than the enemy has,
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it must be otherworldly. Is that the line that makes you,
guys think it must be off the planet.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah. And the thing is, most of the encounters I'm
talking about from Vanderberg, they were up close. I mean,
these were not ambiguous lights in the distance. These things
were hovering, you know, five hundred feet over my coworkers,
and you know, and they're looking at something that should
not exist. You're looking at one hundred meter square pizza
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box glowing in the sky, right, making no noise, with
no propulsion. Yeah, I mean this shocked people to their core.
The general like vibe was excitement and disbelief, Like people
could not believe it was really happening, but it was.
And there was some fear too. People were freaked out,
you know, so it was a mixed back. I was
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generally more excited, but there were moments. There was a
moment I've talked about publicly that first night where I
was out on the beach alone. I had some night
vision and I was out by myself, and I had
this overwhelming sense of like I was being watched, and
I got really like nervous. I'm like, oh my god,
what if they show up and I'm out here alone,
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Like I don't know these are aliens or what you know. So, yeah,
there was definitely some fear, but in general it was
excitement and disbelief.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
What about up the chin of command? What was their attitude.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Basically the same, you know, no one. I only really
dealt with the chain of command up to my commander,
who was a lieutenant colonel, and I probably did interact
with you know, support group commander and possibly the wing
commander a few times, but they took it serious. And
there were a few people that, you know, they didn't
want to engage with it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'd ask them, you know, what do you think is
going on? And they would just shake their head like
I don't notice it's.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It's it's don't even want to touch it, yeah, right right,
it just.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Didn't want to engage at all mentally interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
But these other guys, you know, they're just humans too.
Like if you find something that's that overwhelming, it's got
to be just you know, you're you're in awe, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It changed me and the guys I'm close with. I mean,
it changed our lives in every fundamental way. And we've
never stopped thinking about it, you know, we've never stopped
talking about it wondering. So this was a profound and
life changing experience.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's great you have that group because there are some
of these people that I've talked to that you know,
they were alone one time and had this happen, and
then they you know, was it my mind? Was it
something else? You at least kind of are rooted in. Well,
these other guys saw too, and they're just like me,
you know, that's got to be helpful, right, Well, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
That was hugely helpful. But yeah, but in general, you know,
we all went through that over the years. And the
good thing I could pick up the phone. A few
years would go by and I start thinking, you know,
did that happen?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah? I remember, And I'd call my buddies and we'd
catch up, you know, and catch up on life, and
then I'd be like, hey, man, you remember the UFOs
And then we would talk for five hours. I had
that like lifeline to call all these people and be like,
hey man, did that really happen? But a lot of
people don't, and it's difficult to integrate it. And a
(18:30):
lot of people just buried that in their subconscious and
they forget about it.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
It's got to be difficult, especially if they're all alone
in such and such a traumatic thing happens to you.
Was there an official way of dealing with this? Like,
were you guys trained or prepared in any way at
all if something anomalos happens?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Do this?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I mean in general? Yeah, we're trained to respond to
a multitude of different threats, and we need to be
able to, you know, figure out if we run into
something unexpected how to handle it. We have a lot
of we're highly trained, we have a lot of discretion
on what to do on the ground if we run
into you know, an unknown situation or something novel. But
(19:11):
nothing came down from higher headquarters on how to prepare,
how to mitigate, how to respond. Just nothing came down.
So we were on our own and we were coming
up with procedures and protocols on the fly, you know, like, okay,
what do we do if one shows up?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, yeah, after you see what who's to say?
It's not going to come back tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, and they did. They kept coming back.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Wow, were you ever instructed or was anyone ever instructed
not to talk about this?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
So I was not well, I was encouraged not to
a few times. But that's some of the new information
I'm going to be bringing out. There was an active
campaign at the time to kind of shut me out
of what was going on because I was involved. You know,
even if I was off duty, people knew I was
like the fox molder. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, people would call
(20:03):
me and start telling me about these incidents. But I'll
be bringing that information out. So maybe at contact.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh that would be awesome. That would be a perfect
thing to do a contact. Did they give a reason?
Can I ask you that, like, was there like this
is national security or something.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
They were basically trying to suppress. After the landing, I
think the tone changed and they wanted people to stop
calling in the lights. They wanted to try to suppress it,
tamp down.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Oh they thought you guys were calling them in.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
No, they just wanted to They wanted the police us
to stop reporting that we were seeing. They wanted it
to just go away.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's fascinating. Hey, when we come back. We're going to
ask Jeffrey about his own multi witness case that happened
right over his house. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
(21:13):
We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Jeffrey Nussatelli. Jeffery,
you had a sighting at your house with some friends.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Right, Yeah, in two thousand and five, so I was
still stationed at Vanderberg. The UFO encounters had kind of
petered out. They became much more sporadic over the years,
and I don't really remember more than two or three
happening in the intervening time. So what happened was we
had all these incursions in two thousand and three leading
(21:43):
into two thousand and four, and I was investigating and
responding in real time, but I never saw one up close. Right.
I would see a light here or there briefly, but
I never got to see one. You know, some time
goes by. Now it's two thousand and five. At this time,
I'm in a leadership position in the unit. I'm the
(22:06):
non commissioned officer in charge of our law enforcement program,
so I'm overseeing the entire law enforcement program. Yeah, I
had had a party at the house on base. Things
that petered out. It's probably like one o'clock in the morning,
and my wife was in bed, and me and two
of my good friends that were co workers. We're in
the backyard, you know, around the fire, drinking beer, and
(22:26):
my friend Phoenix and her boyfriend. They're married and they're
still together. She noticed a light over the ocean, very
high altitude. Looked like a star, but it was moving.
So we all got up around the fire and we
were watching it. And the thing that caught her attention
was the light was incredibly bright. It was the brightest
(22:46):
object in the sky at the time. It was a
very clear night. It was pulsing. It was like it
had this like pulsing rhythmic, almost like a heartbeat, and
we're like, wow, that's really weird, and we kind of thought, okay,
it's probably atmospheric effect. It's a satellite. As we watched it,
then it maneuvered and it fluttered like a butterfly, like
(23:09):
a leaf in the wind, and then we were all
like whoa, you know, and then we knew, okay, this
is not it's sad craft. The object kept you know,
like I said, it started out as a pinpoint of
light like a star, but it kept coming lower and
lower and getting larger and larger, and then every once
in a while it would just vanish. It would be gone,
(23:30):
and we were like, where to go?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Where did it go?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And you know, a moment later, it would pop back
into view in a different area and we were like, oh, wow,
there it is. And that happened two or three times,
or three or four times, and every time it would
reappear it was a bit lower in elevation and bigger
and brighter, and then it vanished. And when it reappeared,
(23:52):
it was two hundred feet over my house.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, and we were all just like, oh my god.
And it was this beautiful, you know, blueish white light,
and it was an orb like thirty feet diameter. It
was large like a house, and we just stood at
like looking at it in disbelief. It was no longer pulsing,
and the light wasn't radiating from it, it wasn't lighting
(24:18):
up the yard or casting a shadow, no noise, and
we just like I remember looking at Brandon, my friend Brandon,
and looking back at it, and I thought, keep your
eyes on it, and I kind of locked my eyes
on it, and then it just vanished. And I looked
at my friends again and they were still looking, and
(24:39):
I put my eyes back on the spot right over
my house. And then a moment later it reappeared, and
it had moved to the north to like my right,
and had gone up in elevation a little bit. It
was a little bit higher. And when it reappeared, I
was looking directly at it, so my head and eyes
had tracked it unconsciously, and it popped in a view
(25:03):
and I was like, oh, there it is, and we
all saw it. And it just hung there for you know,
a moment, and then it gently accelerated and kept gently
accelerating and climbing in altitude, and we watched it for
like thirty seconds, maybe a minute, and it climbed all
the way up and became a star and vanished.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, And then I went in the house, I picked
up the phone. I reported it to the command center.
About fifteen minutes later, they called me back with the
reports that they said, nothing you know, on radar, no
air hot air balloons, and yeah, we all we reported it,
did a report the next day and filed it and
that was the end.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And did it seem like an actual structure like a craft?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
It looked solid. I could see a curve, but it
was just this like it was opaque, like a light,
perfectly round.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah. How did you guys go to sleep after that?
You guys, I had a stay up all night? Yeah
we did, moy. Yeah, there's no way, man. Yeah, absolutely incredible.
You know, over your sixteen year military career, did you
notice any changes in the attitude towards even the idea
of there being non human intelligences within the military. Have
(26:18):
you seen that shift?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I don't know, you know, I think it was probably
always like fifty to fifty because even when I was younger,
like in the early nineties when I joined, we were
hearing UFO reports from people we knew from other bases
in Japan. We had all kinds of incidents. There was
a bunch of things that happened in Korea that I'm
aware of, and on and on and in the US.
(26:43):
You know, I had buddy stationed in the US and
we'd get together and they'd be like, hey, man, you know,
let me tell you about something weird. And they would
tell me about a UFO they saw in New Mexico
or in Korea, and you know, we'd talk about and
some people are like that it's all bs and other
people are like, oh, you know, when I was a
kid or my grandmother saw something.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So it's just like the general population is the same one. Yeah,
do you have any gut guests as to what you
thought any of these craft or intelligences may be doing,
Like do you think it's surveillance or do you think
it's something else.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I think it's obviously some kind of observation or surveillance, right.
But it's strange because during these encounters, I think what
triggered the incursion was we were launching next generation technology.
These were technologies there were twenty five years ahead of
regular technology that were supposed to give US aerospace dominance
(27:40):
for twenty five years, right, And that's when the UFO
started to show up, when we started to put these
assets into space. But then, like with my encounter, there
was no launch that night. It was just a lightning
sky and when Phoenix put her attention to it, it
started to pay attention to us. Right, So that's the interaction,
(28:01):
Like what's going on like that? To me, that's like
communication or intelligence or intent or consciousness. There's an interplay,
so who knows why they come, but they're definitely interested
in the people and the technology, I think.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Which we often hear a lot of these witnesses. As
I mentioned earlier, it's usually around these nuclear bases. Those
are a lot of the guys that have come forward
that have witnessed something like this. It seems to definitely
they seem aware of our military or our technology. Certainly
are nuclear technology, doesn't that seem to be a common theme.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Definitely a common thing. But the other thing, I think
probably many more encounters, at least that I'm aware of,
happen at non nuclear installations or you know, combat areas.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Where there are nonetheless advanced technology.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Though you're saying, yeah, right, so it doesn't have to
necessarily be nuclear, or it could be you know, the conflict,
like even a low level, you know, kind of primitive
conflict they show up.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Do you think at the end of the day, our
government may have either recovered craft or bodies or some
type of NHI tech at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I believe yes, And a lot of that is from
the Vargenia case that really I've always been open to
the idea, but there hasn't been any you know, really
concrete evidence until you know, recently we had David Grush
come out and then I'm like, okay, maybe maybe you
know it's a higher confidence assessment that yeah, we have
(29:39):
recovered them, and then Vargenia kind of locked it in
for me. So right now that's where I'm landing. I'm like, yeah,
these things do crash and they are recovered by the
US until proven otherwise. Right, do we have better information
that that whole incident in Brazil was just a misunderstanding?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah? No way. Do you think it's just a small, little,
black budgeted cabal that controls that knowledge.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, I think it's a very large and sophisticated program.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And they keep it quiet by NDAs and intimidation.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Intimidation DA's security protocols need to know.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I mean, if something is classified, you know, we won't
talk about it.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Okay, when we come back, We're going to talk and
ask Jeffrey about what's coming next and what we can
really do to get to the truth. You're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
paranormal podcast network. We are back on beyond contact. We're
(30:59):
speaking with Jeffrey Nisatelli. Hey, but it seems like we
have this big problem with getting more witnesses to testify
in Congress. There seems to be this issue with some
of the witnesses who know more things because a they
can't talk about it in an open forum because of
their NDA or other intimidation factors, or b they can't
(31:22):
talk to members of Congress about it even in a
skiff because the congressional people don't have the security clearance
to even know about some of these programs. Therefore they
don't even know what to ask these witnesses. Can you
explain how that whole thing works.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, it's quite quite a challenge right now. Right, because
we have a security state within the US government, the
Congress can't seem to get access to, right, And that's
a fundamental problem you know with our demoy I design right, Yeah,
by design, right, So that that is the core issue
(31:59):
that we're dealing with. The military is in charge of
the information and it's not supposed to be like that.
And that's where I think disclosure, the battle for disclosure
is beginning now.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
We're only now getting a clear picture of the challenges
that lay ahead of us, and part of that is
the class over classification and the fact that our elected
representatives are not allowed to know what our military is doing.
And this is a fundamental problem.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
So Congress has a lot of work to do. They
have to get the rain, they have to get it
back into control of the military industrial complex, and that's
going to be a long, hard fought battle.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Right that.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
We need, you know, some kind of voting block to
get grassroots, district by district, congressional leaders on both sides
of the aisle working together. So that's very difficult.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You said that our reality is classified? Is that what's
driving you on this issue? I think that's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I believe that that reality is literally classified, meaning there
are parts of nature that are kept secret. And this
is physics and every other science that goes along with it,
and we are discouraged or not allowed to look to
(33:32):
ask questions, to do that type of science, to delve
into the phenomenon. And that's controlled by stigma and classification
and funding for research. Right, So the government is in
control of almost all research funding, and if they're not
going to allow people to look into it, then we're
(33:56):
not going to get any answers. So I believe that
reality is way more mysterious and enchanted and beautiful and
possibly terrifying than we are allowed to know. And the
government is aware of that, and if we were to
know the truth, it would be both liberating for the
(34:18):
human race and terrifying.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
So that's what I mean by realities classifying.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Mention that as one of your I'm sorry, no good,
I was going to say that you've mentioned your three
stated goals are Number one is to fund research like
other scientific fields. Two was to end secrecy and this
overclassification that we're drowning in. And number three is to
protect these witnesses, which seems you know that would emboden
(34:48):
others to come forward, right.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And that's the thing that we're working on now, me
and my friends in the network I have. We've been
promised for many years support, financial support from organizations, legal
support to help to try to walk these people out
that have the information that we all desperately want to know,
(35:13):
and that support is not manifested, right, So what we're
doing now, we're going to flip the script. It's going
to be whistle blowers and witnesses protecting and supporting whistle
blowers and witnesses. So we're building out an organization to
do that and to legally and responsibly walk these people
(35:37):
through the process, get them to the right people in
Congress the need to speak to in a protected fashion.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
And is this the fund that you've set up, Jeffrey.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Now, that fund was basically same idea, but it was
a short term, you know, stop gap gap, like we've
got to pay some rent and build people. So that
was that we need something much larger. We need something
like an endowment to take care of these people because
we have to make sure that when they do come
(36:12):
out and disclose legally they're okay, because their careers are
going to be over.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
They're going to be unemployable, right, So you cannot get
a job now that you've been right, So they're going.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
To need retraining. They might have to go back and
get another degree, right, start a whole new career after this.
So we've got to have resources in place before we
can even start to walk these people out because they're
in jeopardy.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Right. We hear about these very wealthy people that are
interested in this topic, like the Rockefeller for sure, was
extremely interested. You think he'd be the kind of guy
that would be able to start an endowment or something. Right.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I've had at least five meetings over the last two
years with very wealthy people that seem like good people,
and they tell me that they're willing to help, and
they say, what do you need and we tell them,
here's what we need, and here's what we can offer
in return, and then that money never comes, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So do you think it's that they get external pressure
elsewhere could be?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
And also, you know they want a return on their
investment too, right, They don't that's knocking out there because
there are Charlottan's and grifters out there, right, So they
want to make sure that you know that that they're
they're funding a real whistleblower, right.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
So it's tricky because you know, they're saying, well, prove
to me that this guy's information is accurate, and we're
like we kind.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Of right, right, these are nobles too. Yeah, that makes
it very very difficult. I can really feel the quandary
that it is here. Yeah. You know you mentioned that
you're aware of some disclosure allies within the intelligence community
that seemed to be inspired by all of this and
they know it's real and they're trying to help push
(38:12):
the disclosure process for it. How does that work?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
You know? After the hearing, you know, we really made
an impact behind the scenes, especially in the intelligence community
and the DD Right, there's a lot of people like
me and Dylan Borland and our other friends that are
still in service and know the phenomenon is real, right,
So we have a lot of silent support in the background,
(38:37):
and those people are finding the courage in their professional
lives to push this top right, So, good things are
happening behind the scenes in the intel community especially, So
we've got some support there now, and I think good
things are happening. But if people are expecting, like some
very rapid disclosure, I don't think that's going to happen.
(39:01):
It's too complicated and too nuanced and too dangerous. And
this is a multi year, you know effort. I think
we begin the battle begins now.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Fascinating stuff. Hey man, thanks so much for sharing. This
was absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate you taking the time in.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Yeah, and I appreciate you know you giving me the
opportunity and giving us a voice.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
You know what you guys are doing is so important
and I think podcasters and things like Contact in the Desert,
you guys are the frontline troops in this fight. You
do the research, you ask the questions, you give people
an opportunity to share. So thank you man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
We do try. Thank you, brother, and thanks everyone for listening.
You can find me on Twitter, on Instagram at cd
Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out Contact Inthedesert
dot com. Stay open minded and rational as we explore
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