Clip It & Zip It - So You Don't Get a Ticket (Featuring Scott Turner Schofield) - BFF: Black, Fat, Femme

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, Welcome to another episode of the Black Stops
Fan podcast, where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm one of your hosts, John also.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Known as doctor John Paul, and I am here to
represent everyone who has turned forty and has had their
bodies turn on them. Because why does my neck hurt
like this? Why am I cracking like an old door?
Why can't I eat fried foods like the way I
used to?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Baby?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Let me tell you so, let me tell you real
quick before we jump into the show.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I had to travel.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm here, I'm currently for those of you who are watching,
I'm not at home. I'm in Seattle. I shout out
to fat com. We'll talk more about that a little
bit later. But what I was gonna say is I
was driving to the airport and I was like, oh,
I'm gonna stop and get something to eat. And then
there was a part of me that was like, Okay,
I just whipped through. And then there was a part
of me that was like, girl, you were about to
be on a plane for three hours. You can't have beans,

(01:01):
you can't have anything fried? What what what you don't do?
And I was like oh, I was like but I'm hungry,
so I was literally So that's literally the life that
I lead now as someone who was above the age
of forty, is having to remind myself of, like you
don't want to put yourself in a situation you take

(01:21):
get out of anyway. All that said, how are you, my.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Love, lovelies, it's your Bessie Jordan ak Joho and you know,
I'm here, girl, I'm here. It's been a whild week
for me, divas like I'm i am tired of how
i am barely digging it through. I'm I'm on her eyebrowlests,

(01:48):
which is atypical for me. I'm like, no, you usually
i'll do them when as we're about to as we're
about to uh you know record, I was like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's one of my like, one of my like moments.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I get to settle into my body exactly and the
ritual it's over. Now, I'm like, I might stop destroy
something to somebody. I'm excited because next week I'll be
in DC for Big Gathery and Queer Folks. That's gonna
be so much fun. So I'm like plug onto the
joy that I have for next week to be amazing and.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Fun by right now, girl, Yeah, that's where I'm out
with the fat I'm really excited to head downstairs and
be with my fat fat fan.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yes, yes, yes, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well. With that being said, we are we are definitely
not by ourselves this week. We have a wonderful person
in our third seed. Our guest today is an Emmy
nominated actor, writer, and producer whose groundbreaking work has reshaped
how transgender stories are told on stage and on screen,
as the first openly transgender actor to play a major
role on daytime television. I know the stories, honey, you

(02:53):
got to play a role in the stories. That's what
black people. Those are the stories. Funny side, I shout
out to my husband because he knows I love.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Nine to one one.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nine one one is my show. And he looked at
me after it went off this past week and he said,
you know this is a soap opera, right, And I
was like, yes, yes, nine one one is a soap opera.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes it is this my stories.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yes, but anyway, all that to be said, Uh, they
are the first out trends, one of the first out
trans man recognized with an Emmy nomination for acting. I
know that's right. Come on first and I know you. Also,
this person is as a whole thing where they talk
about why these first are problematic, which I also am
here for. I love the idea of being able to
say two things can exist at the same time. Yes,

(03:39):
being a first to something it's great, but it also
sucks because that means that we need more. But anyway,
you have opened the door for access to the entertainment industry.
Please welcome to the show, Scott Turner. How do I
say your last name?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
School show Field?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Okaya Schofield?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Because I was like, no, what it's giving.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Very Jewish, Yes, and I'll take it. I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah. And so people who know so they know I
love the Jewish community.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I'm married into a Jewish fan, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, I love How are you boo?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'm very happy to be here, y'all, thank you so
much for having me. I mean, your guest roster reads
like an honor roll of people I admire, like colleagues.
I'm proud of humans I love. So I'm just like,
I'm very honored to be here. And also, this is
the very first podcast that I'm doing in support of
my new film, Becoming a Man in One hundred and

(04:42):
twenty seven, which so like I really believe in like
magic and signs, and so to be here with you
both just feels very auspicious.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
That means so much to hear. And may it be
the first of many, and may it may be maybe
a joyous first and not the other first that you
some of the aforementioned first put pressure in frustration. It's
be a good joyous first. Wow, we're gonna geting, Rachel, and.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
We do every every week.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I give me Cambo or her flowers and are still
here segment, And being that we are the top of
the year, I want to just think, I want to
ask us what does thriving look like for us this season?
I'll start first past to our guests, and then we'll
go to John and so for me, you know, I'm
speaking of this quarter really habit building. I'm trying to
build two habits or rebuild two habits each month. Eating

(05:33):
each girl cannot English each month, grossie, hungry girls, French.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Brunch habits.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Brunch habits would be amazing. I love a good brud habit,
building two habits each month, ton twister for a girl
and focusing on doing well with them. So for me,
thriving looks like in the blocks that I need in
the first part of the year to achieve and want
to the other project of the year. So like one
thing I'm this month, My focus for January is building
a better sleep schedule and working out more consistently, like

(06:08):
having to having an actual schedule of movement time and
then of and then sleep time, and like how to
incorporate the moment in time during travel as well too.
So I'm traveling this month, so how do I so say, Okay,
I'm going to make sure I walk to my conference,
or that I use the gym in the hotel twice
this week or something. February is going to be focused
on cooking more and going out less. Not not not

(06:32):
through a lens of being a recession indicator, because people
say were session indicators when people stay home and lose weight,
but like but like really more focused on like caring
for myself and showing showing myself love and this way
by making the meals for myself, my body and my
you know and my loved one. So my February goal
will be to to spend more time cooking and get

(06:52):
myself out to do like one big walk, like big
walk and I remy being like a good two three
mile walk around my problem around my city. Month three
will be we'll stay in my ass home. How about
the habit of staying home and saying no? So so
March March will be my March will be my no
month of Like people ask you things that if I'm
if I'm not jumping for joy, I'm gonna say no.

(07:13):
I'm a say no. And that's the head I'm trying
to go there all of this.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
What's her name? The lady who went over to Netflix?
Uh and left and left ABC Shonda Rhymes. Doesn't she
have like a book account called the Year of Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well so she has a whole part in the book
about when we know how to say yes, you know
how to say no? I never learned that lesson bad.
You have the book on my bookshelf right next to me.
I've read it three times actually, because I'm like, I'm
also trying to do my Year of Yes. And I guys,
I said earlier I yes, too hard to the sun,
I girl Boston, Yes, but too many things and now
I'm stressed. So I'm just.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Saying very much that what about you Scott, what's on
your mind?

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Thriving? I mean, okay, so I think it. I think
it really looks like not allowing at harsh inner critic
to take up space and create obstacles, right, So, like
I'm releasing my literally my life's work, which is vulnerable enough,
and now it's in a moment where like so much
is going on in the world that that inner critic

(08:16):
voice is like everything else is way more important than
anything I could say, right, and so like standing up
to that voice, and that's really kind of growing me,
which is I think growing is my idea of thriving, right,
Like recognizing that sharing twenty five years of my life
as an out trans man is valuable, and that the

(08:39):
message that I'm sending with a story that doesn't focus
on transition or trauma, that goes really deep into a
nuanced perspective of living a trans life like that that
is actually really important right now, not because it's my life,
but because our lives broadly are being reduced into inflammatory headlines, right,

(09:00):
such a magnitude, right, And you know it puts me
at risk to do this when Project twenty twenty five
says that like work like mine is pornographic and I
should be registered as a sex offender, and when the
FBI is offering bounty for information about us because we're
considered nihilistic, violent extremists, Like what you risk reveals what
you value. So I think my thriving is coming into

(09:23):
valuing the act of telling really vulnerable stories as power.
Oh yeah, so thank you for that question, because I.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Just, yeah, I think you're It's it's just so funny
because you know, I've and we've said on this show
here in so many different capacities. It's like sometimes you
just have to listen to the universe because the universe
is speaking, and I feel like the universe has really
been trying to like get through to me this week,
and you're both both of your responses have been very

(09:55):
timely for me, but kind of to the to the
point I put something here and now kind of like
I don't necessarily want to retract it, but I think
I kind of want to shift it a little bit,
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
So I'll say this, you know, I think there is
a conversation piece here about giving yourself credit and saying
that you've done enough and that and you're enough is the.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Showing up part.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, you keep showing up, and you've been showing up,
and so I think I keep thinking about that this week.
You know, I've had so many even after like twenty
twenty five was such a blow to me because there
were so I got so many nos after years of
feeling like I was working towards yes's, and then to
go right back into twenty twenty six and to be
right back in the same position where I'm getting more

(10:39):
nos and having to kind of like sit with those
nose there's a part of me that's also sitting with
this idea of like, but but you've still done enough
even with those no's. You've still done enough. You have
a podcast, you have a book, you you know, you teach,
you do You've spoken at all of these schools, you
have all this following that people are finding you and
they're finding your work.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So you've done enough.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
So I think I'm trying to say that. But there's
also a part of me, and this is where to
the point of what I wrote down, there's a part
of me that's saying that I still have to keep
pushing through, like even when I don't. I think that's
what my Q one goal is is like, you know,
I could be discouraged about, you know, like, you know,
I'm writing a short and I'm trying to get it filmed.
I could be discouraged with all of the feedback I'm

(11:21):
getting around it. But there's still a part of me
that's like, no, you're gonna do it. You need to
do it, so You're gonna do it, and like pushing
through with that, even with all of the nos that
I'm getting and just you know, thinking about you know,
and for those of you who are like, well, what
is John going off about? You know, there's just so
many things that have fallen through. People have changed their minds,

(11:42):
money has gone, folks haven't followed up. I didn't get
a job I really wanted, you know, at the top
of the year. Then there's also, you know, also thinking
about there was something else but Netflix that I.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Really wanted that I didn't get. There's just like it
literally just feels.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Like when it rains, it pours for me these last
couple of weeks, and I'm just kind of sitting in
it being like, Okay, God, you know, I'm ready to
sprout now.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
But I also think to.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Myself, you know, I the thing I want to say
is that we've got to keep getting up because there
are other people who are looking at us for that.
They're looking to us as being I'm gonna say the leaders,
but the people who get up, and so they're looking
at us saying, well, if John can go through all
these terrible things and get back up, then so can I.

(12:28):
And so I think that's the thing focusing on, you know,
and talking about binding is you just keep getting up,
just you know, keep getting up.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, now that we've got you thinking about how to
make it click in twenty twenty six, we are going
to take a quick break and come back with our guests,
moving back in the seconds. All right, y'all, So we
are back with the category is segment. And I am

(13:03):
really excited to get into kind of this conversation with you.
I know that we have been gauging with the theme
of your latest film, and one of the things that
came up that I thought would be really good for
this conversation is a talk or a conversation around the
idea of fitting in in the world that sometimes feels

(13:25):
like it is intentionally overlooking you. And Honey, Hollywood is
definitely saying I don't see it for anybody that ain't us.
And so what I wanted to do is I wanted,
you know, to really kind of ask you, you know,
what made you want to act? And did you see
any models of transmit in the industry or any models
that you felt like you could connect with? And how

(13:47):
did that visibility, that lack of or lack of visibility
impact you and the want that you have for being
in the industry.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Mm, well, okay, so we're what made me want to act?
Mental illness. I just like I just kind of came
out that way. You know, I was the kid who was,
you know, dancing in front of the TV, making people
watch me, you know. And and no, I didn't have
any role models, you know, when I was growing up,

(14:17):
we didn't even have language, right, it was there was nothing.
I think back, you know, I was in the very
earliest moments of transitioning of and by that I mean
just starting to become aware that trans men even existed,
speaking about any way when boys don't cry land Okay,

(14:38):
So that was fun right to the question of visibility.
It's funny because like literally just two days ago, I
saw online that there's some trans guy or guys somewhere
playing like the oppression Olympics by saying that like trans

(14:58):
women or some house hogging the spotlight with their visibility.
And I literally went into comments and was like name names,
tag tags. Okay, this person or people need educating immediately.
It is an emergency, okay, Like I don't have to
get into it. We know, like trans women are more
visible because of misogyny, right, and transphobia, and our culture
that scrutinizes and at taxis attacks femininity, right, Like, this

(15:21):
is not visibility anybody wants or enjoys. I could go
off other people.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You are so right m hm, but what thank you?
I love you?

Speaker 4 (15:37):
But like what I do, I do want to talk
about trans masculine invisibility as its own kind of harm
that needs to be held in its own way, right,
because I see a lot of folks in culture just
kind of really deciding that trans men become men and
suddenly just assume all of the privileges of CIS men

(15:59):
when like, yes, okay, can confirm can walk down the
street at night in ways that I couldn't before. People
absolutely listen to my voice and they've all been trained
to just like listen to my voice and pay attention
to me. Right, and when you are white and blend
really seamlessly into conventional masculinity, right, that is even more so,

(16:22):
can confirm one hundred percent that is absolutely happening, no argument,
And it's not the end of the story, because you're
still a trans person in this world. And when I'm
interfacing with the forces in culture that trade engender as power,
I'm not a man, okay, you don't get male privileged.
You are at best considered a mentally ill woman, okay

(16:43):
by those forces in culture. And I can confirm also
the powerlessness and the violent danger of that reality. So
like to get into the nuance of trans masculine invisibility.
We grow up, we have no role models, which is
why so many transmen are out here being visible when
we don't have to write, because we don't want anybody

(17:05):
else to go through that, because that is soul destroyed.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
It teaches you you don't exist, maybe you don't deserve
to exist, that there's no future for you, there's no hope,
and so ergo. Fifty one percent of transgender male adolescens
reported at least one suicide attempt attempt okay, which is
more than triple the rate of their non transgender years. Okay.
Trevor Project reported in twenty twenty four to eighteen percent

(17:30):
of transgender men and that was like youth and young adults, right,
had attempted okay in the last year. So like my
line on this is visibility is what gets trans women killed.
Invisibility kills transmen, okay. And that's one of the stories
as you saw in one hundred and twenty seven Easy Steps, right,

(17:51):
And it had to be because it wasn't something I
could skirt around because it's so common. I mean, in
my experience, like ninety percent of trans men have attempted
to take their own lives. And you know in the film,
I talk about it as silence rather than a lack
of visibility, like having to keep silent.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Having to hold that, yeah, having to hold that that's
very And I was going to say, you know, I
do I do want to give you kudos because I
did see that becoming a man in one hundred and
twenty seven Easy Steps. You want an award for it.
And I think that it's it's important to know that
you're doing something that again, a lot of people have
a lot of such a hard time with coming kind

(18:31):
of to terms with your telling your story in a
very authentic way. But I did want to say the
setup for your film is you sharing how challenging it
is to find roles as being a transman. And I
know that you've been talking about the visibility piece of it, right,
and so looking for roles where you can see yourself,
looking for roles where you feel like they're not just
making fun of the trans experience, which I know that

(18:53):
is very hard because we think of the intersectionality or
the intersectional pieces of the of the industry. Right, there's
so many peopleople who don't truly get it. And so
I did want to ask you, you know, as you
begin to explore and uncover your own life story, how
did you decide which ones to tell? How did you
how did you come to terms with wanting to tell
that story about your own lived experience.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Well, I mean I started telling these stories in the
early two thousands when I started my transition because there was,
first of all, because there was no other way for
me to act, right, I just wanted to be an actor,
That's all I wanted. But also because there just weren't
that many stories, and I needed them so badly that

(19:37):
I was just like, woll okay, I got to do
this myself. Then I guess right, And then as an
artistic project, I kind of really enjoyed finding new and
different ways of telling stories because people forget, right, like
I'm trans, but I'm an artist.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right, You're an artist.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
It's actually my bigger identity. It's like who I am, right,
So finding these different ways to tell those stories and
finding different metaphors and nuances to describe the many different
facets the one hundred and twenty seven steps right of
that experience that I was living over the years.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, I think that, you know, talking about
your you wanting to kind of shine, I think, you know,
that's the thing I love about doing this podcast, And
I think about just doing any type of work in
the industry, you don't realize how much you've become a
light or a beacon for other people to utilize their

(20:36):
creativity or utilize their own stories as motivations to build, right.
And I think that's what I feel like You've done
with your You've done with your movie. You've really given
people the opportunity to say you can take this really
terrible thing that has happened to you or the feelings
that you have had in your journey, and you can
turn that into magic. And so, like I said, I

(20:59):
definitely love to give kudos to folks who are out
there doing and then again and you're doing it on
your own, You're not doing it with you know, the
support of the industry. And I think that's the thing
that really grinds my gears is is knowing that there's
so many people in the industry. I know there are
people in the industry who are saying, oh, you know,
tell your story, be creative, do these things, but yeah,

(21:22):
just be you. But then turn around and say, okay,
can you support me? Uh and and and they're getting
very little support in that. So I definitely want to
give you yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well that means a lot, thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
It was interesting when I when I made this, and
you know, I didn't do it myself, you know, Andrew
James and Pumpin directed it. There's a whole team of
amazing transpritists that came on and then this ally who
came in clutch when when necessary and worked for free
or very little ass allies, which I thought was really
cool of them. But when we finally you know, we

(21:57):
were able to achieve what we were able to achieve
right on one hundred and thirty thousand crowdfunded dollars. Right.
So there's the work of the crowd funding first, and
then there's the work of making it and of making
it where you know, we these and I should say, like,
these are folks who who didn't get all their success

(22:17):
well cis and then come out and no shitting, that
is what happened, right And so these are folks who
didn't have the same professional development opportunities, right like, right like,
and so I got you know, then when I started
taking it because I'm very I'm very privileged because of
my job as a consultant that I have these contacts
in these high level places, right like, and I started,

(22:41):
I said, you know, I was all excited, and I
was like, I made this, It's my life's work. I'm
so excited to share this with you, and I this
The Hollywood feedback I got was destroying, like it really
it was like you know, people were like, well, you know,
sort of like thinking like it's not slick, and it's
not it's not you know, and I can go you know,
like a Netflix special is just a person standing in

(23:02):
front of a red captain, Like, look at what I did? Okay,
like I did the most compared to it, right, do
you know what I mean? Like it's creative, it's imaginative.
It's different than a special than a Netflix special, but I.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Don't think it's worse, you know what I mean? Right?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
And then to get the audience feedback from the people
who actually watch it, who aren't putting that it's got
to be in this box kind of form on it,
that the response is is exactly what I was hoping for.
That people, you know, feel moved, see what, see what
the heart of the project is. Feel what I'm trying
to do. Yeah, you know, that's that's really.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think the one thing too, that I hear you
saying in your trajectory is also being mindful. And this
is actually one of the questions. I mean, I'm going
to get to it, but I think the bigger thing
that I hear you saying, and I also feel like
it's very timely that I hear you saying this, because
you know, I'm setting out a lot of folks know,
some folks around me know this, But I'm setting out

(24:03):
to do a short and you know some of the
feedback that you know you get and setting and saying
I'm going to do this creative thing in an industry
that's not giving me the support or the funding or
the platform to do it. You know a lot of
people their number one question is is you know, well, well,
why are you know this is hard? Or why should you?
And it's very discouraging. And so I think for me

(24:25):
to hear you say, even with the discouragement, that you're
still you know, I think that's the crux of this
conversation is is betting on yourself, betting on your story
and knowing that your story is more than what the
world gives you, right, Like, knowing that your story is
that more? Is that is that important? I think that's
the thing I'm hearing. And I'm so grateful, Like I said,

(24:47):
I'm so grateful that I got to meet you and
got to see that, right, I got to see you
betting on yourself in a way that the industry never
lets you. So the other question that I wanted to ask,
kind of in tandem to that, is thinking about the
way that the industry tolerates us versus being accepted. Right,
people say, we love you, love what you stand for,

(25:07):
but it often feels like when you're in spaces you're
being tolerated. And so I would love to ask you,
you know, what advice would you give to someone who
is trans, who is either going through their trans experience,
you know, black queer, whatever the case may be, and
they're struggling to feel like they're actually included in the industry.
Is there a behavior or a practice or something that

(25:29):
has helped you feel like you're like, how do you
ground yourself? I guess that's the question that I would
love to.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Ask absolutely well. I mean, it's not just entertainment spaces, right,
it's everywhere at this point, I mean the last few
years I have watched I mean, like I talk about
this all the time. I started doing activism over twenty
years ago, right, and it was a very different world
twenty years ago. It was better twenty years ago, and
in the last I mean, we could get to that.

(25:55):
But in the last just couple of years, I've watched
even the most rest of liberal people turn against trans people,
which is my design, it is. And what they don't
even write, they don't even know that they've been led
by Down the Garden Path, by the Heritage Foundation and
a bunch of other really far right hate groups who

(26:16):
have taken over the media. They won't believe that, first
of all, and who they would never agree with on
any other issue, and they would be shocked and horrified
to know that they agreed with on this one right,
and so gout aside I I.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
This is the space for honey, go off, they go off.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Well, thank you. I don't worry what that should be
my memoir. Don't worry I will right, But you know,
I really I still I've been out. I've been living
an out trans life for twenty five years, since I
was a teenager in Atlanta, Georgia. Okay, like I have
lived a lot of this life and I I still

(27:00):
struggle with that lack of acceptance. Well, acceptance isn't even
the word. Honestly. What I want for us is to
be embraced in our vulnerability. I want us to be
celebrated for our unique contributions, and we have many, and
I just want other than that, to be let be
to let be able to be just like part of

(27:21):
the whole for the rest of life. And the opposite
of that is happening for us right now. So you know,
to anyone who's struggling, I'm going to say, that's by design,
you're not alone. And if I had anything to offer,
I guess I would say that the practice that is

(27:42):
grounding me is kind of what we were just what
you were just saying, actually really digging into believing myself
and trusting that I am right. Right. I had to
do that as a kid because I was a very
clearly trans child, like there was no question, and all

(28:02):
these grown ups rather than just having a word and
a way to refer to a child who is obviously
doing who's obviously living this experience right right, instead they
sent me all these incredibly confusing and damaging messages about myself.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Right.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
So I had to at a very early age go
now I'm right and they're wrong, right. And you know, now,
I see and I struggle myself with I see a
lot of trans adults who struggle with this lack of
self trust, which is a symptom of that TRIUM. And
so when I start to say, like, I don't know,

(28:40):
maybe they're right, maybe I shouldn't be so, or whatever,
the practice that I'm doing is going, no, I am right.
I am right to feel how I feel. I am
seeing all of this correctly, and if nobody else will
have my back, I will right. And then I think
about history, you know, I think about what I mean

(29:01):
by that is like I think about who I want
to have been when people look back, and that's a word,
that's a word. M Yeah, I want to ask. And
you're you're being this person right now. This is like
you are collecting all of this for us, and you
are being this yourself. So I just want to thank
you for that.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Thank you. I mean we you know, I'm trying not
to get emotional because I think you're saying it. It
has been I say, these last couple of weeks has
been it's for not even just for me, I think
for all all. I think for everybody who is trying
to do the right thing and who wants to be
good people and who want who continue to want to

(29:40):
change the world. I think we're all filling it in
some capacity. And so I think you're saying that it
really speaks to you know, had posted something earlier online,
you know, this week, and it's it's very interesting because
it's like so many people will try to gaslight you
around your own lived experience and you're like, I'm living it.
I know what I'm feeling, i know what I'm seeing,

(30:01):
I know what I'm experiencing. And people will be like, no,
that's not what that's not what it is. And it's like, well,
but but you've never walked a day in my life,
so how can you tell?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Okay, you know? And so I think that you know,
you saying that is very validating. I think for a
lot of folks who will be listening to this interview
or will be listening to this talk, they're going to
hear and you know in it, and you know, the
I would say, the thing that I'm taking the most
out of this talk is the idea that we have
to genuinely stay grounded and knowing that our truth is

(30:31):
our truth and no one's going to change that. I
think about it from the perspective of, like, you know,
I have a friend, you know, shout out to Jiminica
who who does a lot of stuff around sexual assault,
and you know, that's constantly the message that I hear
her pushing as she does her work. Survivors have stories,
Their stories are their stories. No one's going to change
those stories even if you don't believe them, And I

(30:53):
think they.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Can be said for queer people too.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Write our stories are our stories, and and no one's
going to ever be able to change them. I think
the last thing I really wanted to hit on and
I see you as such a beautiful and lively There's
such a beautiful light around you. I think the question
that I would love to ask you is how do
you protect that magic and that light in an industry

(31:16):
that can often be so dark? How do you take
care of yourself? And I mean, is this I'm asking
the same question of myself, child, because I go through
it too. But I'm wondering, like, how do you take
care of yourself emotionally and physically in a space that's
not fully committed to understanding or affirming the stories that
you're wanting to tell.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
I'm so grateful for this conversation because it's like I
need to be having this conversation right now, So thank you,
right Like Okay, So I mean, unfortunately, I don't think
we can do that right now. Like we are under
attack all the time from every direction, so I don't
know that there is it would be like well, I

(32:01):
mean I think we're all fighting all of the time.
I think that's how we're protecting. And I love like
I love like lamarade and like love and rage, right,
and the idea that that like our that like our
anger is about injustice that's being done. And when it
comes up within us when we're angry, it's because we're

(32:21):
fighting for ourselves. Right. So like there's that. I think, Hm,
what we I think what I want for myself, I'll
speak from my own. I don't want to tell anybody
else what to do, but I tell you what I
want for myself. I need to be much more intentional intentional.

(32:45):
I need to be much more intentional. I need to
do it's a new word. I need to be much
more intentional about self care all of the time. And
I don't mean like those those ways that we pretend
our self care, like canceling on your friends the day
you're supposed to go out, or like indulging in the

(33:07):
scroll right because or whatever form of self medication you
do right because you feel overwhelmed. Yes, that's real.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Read me, I had a hard day something show night.
Oh yes, go ahead, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I mean, you know, yeah, I have a hard time
so I'm having a hard day, I'm gonna not work
and spend four hours.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
On this, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Like, Okay, Like yes, right, Like I don't mean that
that's not self care. It I feel like it's about
taking proactive care of your body, mind, and spirit every day.
And like if I go to my like yoga teachers speak,
you know, like in whatever ways you have access to
this day, right, whatever you however you are capable of

(33:57):
doing in that moment.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
But it's doing that because and this goes back to
our belief conversation, you matter so much and we will
never ever win without you, right, you know, recognizing and
believing in your own worth and importance in this world.
We are so important that these oligarchs would rather start

(34:20):
World War three than let us exist. Like do you know,
like we take up we live rent free in their souls.
You know what I'm saying. We make them murderously insane.
That's power, actually, Okay, and we need to embody that
and embodying that does take a certain kind of exercise,

(34:40):
right of and that exercise is whatever whatever you do
that truly nourishes you. I am listening to myself trying
to put this in my head right and in my
whole self right, because I unfortunately am not super optimistic
about the few years. I think it's gonna get worse

(35:04):
before it gets better. And I I want us to
be okay. I want us to I want us to
win so much, you know, I can't wait for the
time when and I do I believe. I do believe too.
I don't know how long it's gonna take, but I
do believe there will be a time when we will

(35:26):
have a real reckoning on this and it will shift
some things, you know, I do. But I believe we
were so close to it that they had to destroy.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Right, So we will. We will be back here. We
will be back there where we were just a couple
of years ago and it wasn't perfect by any means,
but we were getting better, right like, Yeah, And but
we have to we have to take care of ourselves
and each other.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I I definitely, Oh, I hear you so loud and
clear on that. And I will say, you know, I
often have reminded a lot of folks, you know that
what we're seeing, what we have seen, is white supremacy.
You know that all of the all of the oppressions,
and we've talked about this on the show. All oppressions

(36:14):
are connected. But what we're seeing is the folks in
positions of power knowing that their power is going to
be one day redistributed, and folks doing everything that they
can to try to hold on to it. And I
think that that's the thing we have to remind ourselves of,
is that we didn't start. And I think that's the

(36:34):
other thing that you know. I hear you saying, you know,
we didn't create this, and I think a lot of
us feel like we have to take on the responsibility
of fixing the systems that are are present. And I
think hearing you say do what you need to do
to take care of you reminding yourself, oh this this
ain't got that yet, and it impacts me, but it

(36:56):
is not my job or my responsibility to carry all
of that is so it's so important to hear that
right now. I think it is so necessary to hear
that right now because I am one of those people
that feels like, oh, I have to fix the world
or I have to do this. I need to be
the change in this world. And it's like, Yo, we
can't take all of that on. We can't take all
of that on. I just I absolute yeah, I really

(37:19):
just appreciate you being so open and so honest. And yeah,
if you want to talk to us a little bit
more about the film, you know, is where can we
find it more information that you know, folks can ultimately learn.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
More about about it. I think that would be awesome
to hear as well.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, the film is going to be available
to rent on. It's Becoming a Man in one hundred
and twenty seven easy Steps, so it's coming out on
one twenty seven. Generally, what's smart?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
So smart?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, I thought it was so brilliant eight months ago
and now I'm like, is World War three going to be.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Where the time? Aw? Yes, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
So right, So we're on Kinema and I'm so excited,
Like I'm an evangelist for Kinema. Kinema was started by
two amazing women who really saw the distribution problem of Hollywood, right,
And when when I was when I was like working
at Glad and really kind of like in the machinery
of media, I really witnessed that there was a bottleneck

(38:27):
at green lighting. Right, So just getting the money whatsoever
to do your project and then if you somehow managed
to make a project. Then it came to distribution, huge
bottleneck there, and these are gatekeepers who decide what gets
to go through the funnel out into you know, are
you going to be in one hundred and fifty theaters,
are you going to be in thousands of theater are

(38:48):
you even going to be in theaters? Et cetera. Right, So,
and what they were noticing was stories like ours don't
ever even make it through that funnel, and stories like
ours are some of the best, cool, most amazing new
forms of storytelling getting into things that need to be
talked about. Right. So, they started this platform, Kinema, and

(39:11):
it's it's like cinema with a k okay. And what
I love the most about it is it's just like
any other streamer. You can go on, you can rent stuff,
you can watch stuff for free. But because of the
work that they're mostly promoting, it's they create these ways
for us to watch together. So you can have a

(39:31):
watch party. You can they make it possible for you to,
like you could rent a theater and put it in
a movie theater, or you can just have you know,
all you know, your group chat wherever you all are.
You can all watch a movie at the same time, right,
But also then they make it possible to do fundraisers.
So because so many of the films are social issues films,

(39:51):
I did a really amazing one Peppermint, and Vico Ortiz
came on and supported me raising funds for Lambda Lambda football, right,
and so just people watching that. So I'm trying to
figure out. I'm like, what's going to be the best
and it may be landed legal again, like who's going
to be the best recipient of funds from this? And
they make it seamless, like I don't even have to

(40:12):
I just choose and press the buttons and then it's there.
So it just does. It's about it's for you know,
Kinema is really for work that is socially engaged, because
you can engage people's socially and you can engage the
social issues. And that felt like, hands down where I
wanted to be for this work. Love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, that and that's I think the you know, the
one thing I will say about that is that when
we can do work that often uplifts the other work
that's out there. That for me is where my heart lives.
My heart lives is like yes, that's the reason why
I'm doing this. That is the reason, and that's ultimately
why the show exists. The show exists because in my mind,
I was thinking, you know, we were not given the platforms,

(40:56):
We're not given the opportunities to talk about our issues
but also up with other people as they're doing their work.
And so I'm just so grateful that I got a
chance to get to know you. I got to you know,
a chance to see your work, get to uplift and
support your work. And yeah, it's just such a beautiful conversation.
So with that being said, we are going to take
our second break and now that we have to be

(41:17):
seen and green, come on.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
The Weeds reference.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
We are going to take a quick break and come
back with more show. We'll be back in a second.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Okay, fam, we are back in this week for what's
public discussed a thing that feels like everyone on the
internet is still talking about the culture recess of it all,
if you will, and instead of addressing our sisters directly,
not just because it's reductive, Honestly, it is reductive because
it doesn't really move move the conversation forward either. We
want to talk more about what was said in the

(41:53):
impact that I might have specifically in this moment. So
I'll for say, like I had a few conversations about
this actually and the deeper meaning that the really that
they're alying through the through line discussion of how the
people is really about how we use our platform responsibly
or or irresponsibly to discuss what we believe in and
how right and then you know, and then also thinking

(42:14):
about how, like how podcasting moves very quickly to respond
to the moment, right like broadcasting is extensive news and
news in some ways you would be responsible to a
moment in time. And sometimes you say things that like
you may not mean or may not be the most
maybe like thought out like thought outcome that you want
to say, right, and so I and so I think right,
I don't want to focus much on what not like

(42:37):
like not on them making because I think there's also
a lot of context or nuances around them saying and
what it means that they say it right, that these
two folks say, or that the people like them say
say this type of thing. And why I say like them,
you know, I mean folks to represent those those identities
that may be in different spaces of privilege, of power
than other identities that they talked about. And so really

(42:59):
I'm thinking about right, like I'm always mindful of myself.
Not that I think we are the most brilliant and
amazing podcast, though I feel like we are because we are.
We are award winning, you know, and not that we're
the most public of people in the world. But like
I'm always very conscious of I know that what I
say in any way an online in person can come

(43:20):
back to haunt me. One but two also that I
want to make sure that I know what I'm talking
about before I say something at all, Like you know,
my like my my backgrounds are journalism, so I'm always
my background education is in understanding the objective truth about something,
undersaying all the facts abouts something before I report on it, right,
and not really making so many opinions about things. And
I have a lot of opinions about things, but I

(43:41):
don't always share them because I think I one never
want to anyone anyone what they should just not do.
And that's my first that's my first thing is I
never want to tell anyone they should just should not do.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
If folks who have followed me for a long time,
they know that I do when it comes to our
election seasons, I will often do information about different props
that are abound abound my city. You're in California, and
I never say I will not tell you what to
what to vote for. I'll tell you what I know
about them and what I'm voting on, but I'll never
say what you shouldvote on because and they won't be

(44:10):
the person that says you should do X, y Z,
because I could be wrong. You know, I'm thinking about
this very much. All traders and people watch traders, you know.
I last this episode, one of the people had brought
up why they thought someone was obviously the trader and.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
They were so wrong, right, They're they're so wrong.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
They're like and they're like, they're like, I know I
know it's them because I heard their laugh and I'm
I'm a music producer, so I know.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And I was like, girl, don't.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Like like because it's the second youth, throw on your
condentionals and then you're wrong. You'll let that, yeah, let that,
and so you know, and so like I'm whe I'm
never trying to tell anybody I'm the world. But also
like I like, I don't want to state people in
the wrong direction and also made them feel like they
don't have agency and what they want to. So I
think a way it could be handled was saying, you know,
we know that so and so is not leading in

(44:59):
the po in some way or at that point, at
that point they were, they were leading the poles. Let's
talk about that. But so and so isn't leaving the polls,
maybe right or maybe or maybe I don't feel like
I believe in what they're like what their core topics
are on, like like on their platform, that's different, right,
and so like when we're being prescriptive or instructive with others,

(45:21):
that is where to me, it really it really makes
it creates a huge margin for error and making like
yourself like not look great. But also people then don't
trust you, right, because it's about how then they not
trust you, right then they you are this person that
they look up to for maybe fashion or maybe culture.
Right and then and then people will not trust what
you think but also question your entirety of what you
do as well too. Right, So I think people in

(45:42):
this moment are looking that you know, are looking at
this show or you know or people who have these
who do the experiences as well and like, well, I don't.
I don't listen to you for politics, but now I'm
questioning you as a whole piece of pockets may not
may not align with money either, And so I think
I think people need people responsible for how they share something,
how begin to like prevent themselves as someone who knows

(46:04):
X y Z, and I want to be clear of
like I'm not saying that people who like don't know
shouldn't say anything. So I think that's also like gatekeeping,
and it's like highly limiting. I don't think it should
be like, if you don't know this fully shouldn't say anything.
I think everyone can have opinions and everyone can share
them they want to, but really in a mindful what
it means, especially when you hold a lot of power
and privilegeon your like in your space too, write like

(46:28):
if you are if you hang out with an international
pop star, then like you know that your word might
carry some more weight for people. That word may actually
lead people to not supporting somebody else and being detrimental
to that person's career. And that's that's that's not a
game that I want to play ever myself. Those are
my initial thoughts. Someone passes Scott to hear what you think.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Well, I mean, I'm thinking about this a lot because
trans people are experiencing this too.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I think this was a really perfect example of a
well meaning liberal, progressive person acting out a right wing
talking point, right which I'm sorry, Like if you're like
when you're talking about somebody who's objectively great and you're
saying like they're not a viable candidate, that's that's that's
some white supremacy talking like, that's just that's less right.
And so like, we're in this moment where all the

(47:22):
veils are being ripped away and we are all stepping
in whatever poop we have, not shit, that bigod shit.
We're all step big in whatever ship we have not examined.
And what I hope is that he learns from it
rather than doubling down and getting calcified in that toxic mindset.

(47:45):
Because there's only two choices when it comes to being
ignored and getting caught. You could change or you can
get worse. There's no middle path. And I say that
as much to myself, Right, I know that I am
going to do something stupid.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Because I'm a human being.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
We're all human, right, Like that reveals to every I'm
going to do something or say something stupid that reveals
to everyone where I am caught up in something problematic
that does not allow me to be the best version
of myself that I want to be in the world.
And the best I can do then is really just
take the feedback, reflect, allow it to change me and
do better. And also I think two to let the

(48:22):
people who have stepped in it have the opportunity to
do better, right, and and not decide like, well he
said this thing last year, so he's dead to me, right, Like,
I'll give you ten minutes, you know, to show me
that that you figured this out and please make me proud,
you know, like, like can we can we can we
make the cliff instead of like you're gonna get canceled

(48:43):
and you know, like be done forever, because when people
do that then they get then they go to that
calcified place of like, well I'm already a bad person,
so I can get worse, right, right, So hello, don't
don't give me I need an hour, right, right, but
could we just can we make the cliff? Like I'm

(49:04):
expecting better of you, come on, show up doing your work.
I'm expecting you come on.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
You know, that's a really good point because I'm also
thinking about right, when someone messes up and then and
you in this instance, right, a lot of folks come
up with like with words and things pieces about it,
and part was like, oh, like you may maybe it
sounds like maybe you were waiting for them to mess
up and not like right and like and I think
that's all Like that's not fair as well either, Like
I think liketiques give critiques throughout the entire pox, don't

(49:33):
wait until the mag mess up to then come up
and say, well, actually I've been thinking this for like
a long time and blah blah blah blah blah. Because
then because then I'm like, okay, like you're kind of
praying on someone's downfall. And I mean, like, listen, choice
the girl, dude, dude, you want to do about someone's downfall.
But then I think, to your point, it doesn't leave
space for us to say, you know what, this person
messed up and it messed up in a big way
and I don't love it. But but but like, knowing

(49:55):
that they have a huge platform, I want to help
them be better like like like like like I want
to help them make sure that they have the tools
that they need to act to do better, and me
that are for themselves, for the community, and for who
who they reach. So I really, I really appreciate.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You saying that a lot of Scott, Yeah, yeah, thank you.
I yeah, invite them man, and I I agree, I agree,
I agree so wholeheartedly in this conversation because I definitely
do think. You know, I think for me, the bigger
thing that I've I've I've learned and I'm continuing to
remind myself of is that I think we often get
caught up in this situation of feeling like we need

(50:33):
to be the expert on everything and feeling like we
have the knowledge on everything. And I think that's where
where we mess up the most is that, you know,
I think I forget who it was, but someone was saying, like,
I remember there was an interview. I forget where it was.
I think it was at an award show. It was,
you know, it was Tiffany Hattish. I don't give Tiffany
Haddish a lot because it's Tiffany Hattish. But the one

(50:54):
thing that she will that I will say that she
did well. A few years back, they asked her a
question about and it was related to the LGBTQ community.
I don't know if you ever saw that clip, and
the woman was asking her, and Tiffany Hatter says, I
don't know. I don't know anything about that. I'm sorry,
I can't answer that question. And the lady kept asking her,
and every response Tiffany kept saying was I don't know

(51:16):
enough about the LGBTQ community to answer your question. I
am so sorry. You want an answer for me, but
you're not going to get one because I don't know.
And I think that's the thing I want more of
us to do, especially with us who have a big platform,
Like I'm not going to purport myself to be someone
who has a massive platform, but I do recognize that
I carry fourteen thousand people on threads that I carry

(51:38):
close to fifteen thousand people on LinkedIn and so even
and then across my other platforms, I have about another
five to six that's so I have about fifty thousand people,
whether they be bots or not, who knows. I have
about fifty thousand people who have their eyes on me
and what I'm doing. Right, And so there comes a
time for me to say like that and this is
what I talked to Joe about in our pre show.

(51:59):
I said, you know, I know I don't know enough
about Palestine to jump up online and say let's do
a whole episode talking about what's going on in Palestine.
I don't know. I don't know enough of that. What
I do know is that I want people over there
to be safe. What I do know is I want
them to eat. What I do know is I want
them to not have to not have to live in fear.

(52:21):
That's what That's what I do know, And so I
can say that on the air, right, But I don't
know enough about the politics of it all for me
to go in and say this person's doing this, and
this person's doing that, and that person's doing that, and
that's why it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
No, I don't know, And so.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Could I could I educate myself on that?

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Have I read articles?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, because Jordan has sent me quite a few, are
you know Anna saying thing? Anna has sent me a
whole bunch of stuff as well. Anna Hastinas is one
of our executive producers. You know, I do the work,
But what I'm saying is I'm not going to take
up the space to act like I know it all
to be able to have a conversation, and so that's
I think that's my take on it.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
You know, I know the same thing.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I know. I'm non binary trans, but I can't speak
for trans men. I can't speak for trans women. I
can't speak for my black transistors. I don't know their experience,
So I'm not going to do that. So I think, yes,
can we amplify issues with our platform? If if they
would have amplified it in a way and said, you
know what, I want her to be great. So I

(53:24):
think her and her team they need to think about this. Okay,
I'm with you, Matt. I want to hear what you
have to say. Okay, she should be thinking about this
because she's in Texas and she has the these are
all the Okay, Okay, it's laid out in a sense
of you not saying it as true. You're saying, I
hope that somebody on her team is paying enough attention
to these issues so that way we can get her

(53:46):
the win. But to flat out just say what you say,
it's kind of careless and so and and and honestly
dangerous and so I think that's the thing we're missing
in this conversation is that, you know, it's okay for
people to say I don't have range. I'm not gonna
speak on that. It is okay for people to say,
you know, I don't feel the need to be the

(54:06):
smartest person in the room.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Just because you have a mic and just because you're
you're doing well on on iHeart, doesn't mean you're the
smartest fucking person in the You're just it doesn't mean that, right,
you know, I just keep saying, you know, I keep saying,
you know, yes, I want to keep my.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
What was the thought I had hold on? I'm reading
my thought. This is like, yeah, I was gonna say.
That's why I keep my mouth.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Closed when people start speaking about what is happening in
wars and all in the governments and stuff. I'm here
for ending the wars. Yes, hell fucking yes, I will.
It's war good for anybody. No, I know it's the problem.
But am I gonna act like I have a solid
stance on what's going on and all of the stuff
in our government?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
No, I'm not a polycyde girl. I'm not a polypign major.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I don't know what y'all do over there. I don't
know what's happening in the White House. I know it's trash,
but I don't know what's going on over there, and
it's not for me. So I think it's okay for
some of us just to say, you know what, I
don't have the range and I'm gonna just go ahead
and sit this one out. You know so.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Well not we have encouraged some folks to clip it
and zip its.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
They don't get it. We don't take love more break.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Come back with y'allment.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So you don't get a ticket, my god segment and
just the sec all right, everybody, So we are back
with the segment that y'all seen to love Honey, it's yes,
ma'am and the no man PAMs. This is where we
say yes to the things that we love or we

(55:46):
say absolutely not, get that ship out of my face
to the things that we don't. And with that being said,
mine are very quick this week. Actually one of them
may be a little and maybe a little on a
on a lengthy side. I'm gonna try to make it quick.
I always say I make a weekend and never be quick.
But I'm gonna say all of this to say my yes,
ma'am this week so all the so I know, so

(56:07):
I hope I don't get in trouble for this, and Joey,
if I have to bleep this later, please let us
know all the.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Ice niggas getting docksed.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yes, expose those cowards, honey, yes, expose them. Show us
who you really are for the friends who are doing
the work around that, who who've got their hands on
the list, and letting us know who are the high
people you are doing God's work, Let us know, let
us know who they are.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
You know, they surveil us, so I'm not why they got.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
And also though, because like docsing comes from, like it's
kind of a bad word, like why don't we call
it what it is? We're calling it gathering evidence of
human rights abusers. Yeah, yeah, just saying that's you know.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Love a reframe.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
It. You got to take the camera, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Around, turn it around. Yes, so that's not yes, ma'am,
get those nuts out of my face.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
But yes, I definitely if you if you are a
drag race girly, you'll know that reference my no, ma'am, pam,
so one of them is one of one of them
is menial. The other one is a very big one.
I want to say, no, ma'am, I don't know the
name of the person because again I tend to not
follow people I don't love. Uh. The person who is
online who was dressing up in the fat suit and

(57:40):
is trying to make fun of Samara for the work
that Samora is doing, go to hell. I definitely think
it's really sad when and again I don't know if
and if you are following it or if you know,
but there is an influencer who is using their.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Platform it's tact. And the thing that makes.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
It, the thing that makes me want to gag even more,
is that people have tried to educate them and say, hey,
you know what you're doing is it's really a bad look.
They are doubling down on it. And then there are
other influencers, specifically Amber's Closet, who is going behind them
and is liking the stuff that they're doing. So it's again,
this is not a call out, This is a call
in to let people know, like, we see you, we

(58:18):
see what you're doing, we see how problematic it is,
especially at a time when we're all being targeted. Come on, y'all,
we gotta do better than this. We gotta do better
than this. So y'all know better. And that's the thing
I think that really pisses me off, and this is
that we all know better. There's enough conversations about fat
phobia and how that's it's specifically fat phobia for black women,

(58:39):
how that's extricted, like it literally is connected to everything
that the LGBTQ community is dealing with right now, especially
around Trenton's issues, and yet people still play dumb, like
they don't get it, especially in our community. You're playing dumb.
So it's just it's just it's tired, it's trash, it's cheap,
it's low hanging fruit.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Do better.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
The other last thing I wanted to quickly say, automatic
automated drive throughs.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
The fuck. I don't know if it is you all
have experienced one. It's awful.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I hate it. I hate everything about it. I went
through a Burger King the other day. I wanted I
literally just wanted a chicken sandwich, and literally it was automated,
and it was the worst experience I've ever had in
my life. It's literally, I don't know, it's like it's
like they've taken the kiosks that are inside the actual
restaurant and have put them outside now and you literally

(59:28):
have to just sit there and wait for this robot
to like read you back your order if you if
you make a decision and you don't like it, it
takes forever for them to correct it. It's just it's
just it's really not giving what I think the folks
think it's given.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
And they took somebody's job to make you do that work. Yep, right,
come on, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Two people working in the burger King now, like and
I mean, I know, I know that they've only ever
had like two or three people working there anyway, it's
burger King, but you know, I mean, like the reality
is is like now you're dealing with just one person
who's now having to do everything inside. And now it's
taking longer to actually get your meal because there's not
enough bodies in the restaurant to be able to serve

(01:00:10):
the demand. So now cars are and then that's the
other thing, like now the drive through is longer, like
the wait in the drive through because this machine is
messing up your order or when you want to change something,
you have to wait for the machine to process the
fact you want Chase. It's just it's just a mess.
It's just like I hate what AI is doing to us. Yes,
we could do a whole we could do a whole

(01:00:31):
talk on AI in a different episode, but I just
really wanted to say the Ai of it all. Burger King, Please,
let's let's not make this a thing. But anyway, Scott,
what are your yes ma'am's and your nomams for this week?

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Okay, so my yes ma'am would be all of the
white siss straight people showing up on socials evangelizing like
I wish they had always been doing about how they
need to do the work and do better. I'm all
for it, glad you're here, welcome, welcome, But but I'm
glad for that my no, ma'am, I kind of I
need your help because I'm trying to figure it out.

(01:01:06):
You know that meme where it's like the gen Z
language is the gen X language is the Boomer language?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Okay, So like the gen Z languages, trans girls don't
belong in sports because of a biological male advantage. Okay,
the gen X version is they then doesn't make grammatical sense.
The Boomer version is it is it you can catch
AIDS from a toilet seat or is that too stupid.

(01:01:37):
I'm talking about the points that people are making that
they think are smart, but that they actually have no idea,
that they're just done a groger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
All that you thought you ate a girl?

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Which is it? It's It's like, I just want to
make it really clear so that anytime I ever hear that,
I just go, you know what you're actually saying, right Like,
you know that it's the same plan book by the
same people, and you're supposed to be smarter than that.
But look at you right like, you look foolish.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
You look, you look foolish.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You look take that fucking jacket off. Yes, you look stupid.
Take you look stupid?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Well well, mayas ma'ams, mayas ma'am. Also this weekless your plants.
My sais for plants. I have nothing to give it
to you to people, people, horrendous, atrocious, horrible. Maya's the
plants plans for the world go around. I'm I'm a
plant parent to a good ten people. Plants and they
just make life feel better, They make life feel gorgeous.

(01:02:50):
They look pretty Aminian places, So religious plans, don't you
do the damn thing. And I just have nothing to
say to anybody else as people, but no, maam panda
though it's come on, but it's come on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yes, if you love someone change.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
You're lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Stick on the on the on the pod as well too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
That's a she's gorgeous beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Can you have it with cats?

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I don't know. They don't have a cat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
What plan is it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Oh? I don't know. I just think that's pretty. I'm
playing adjacent. My wife would.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Okay, okay, I'll ask her and I was like, hey girl,
I'm actually my my is going to be to the
people that were out here making them as well too,
because I just think, like you have nothing better to
do with your life than shouting other people one but
also like it's like could you come up with something else?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Like it's just I just people like like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Like you know, and I will say it like it's
a it's a moment like we're like we're going back
into that that we're going taking to that to that
era of life again. Recession bring fat bobic Like this
is recession that no one has anybody to do besides me,
fat folks for like like for just being themselves and like,

(01:04:13):
like God, God forbid, someone wants to like advocate for
our bodies and make sure that we have the right
the right access to things, Like I just want people
to understand what does it hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yeah, that's the thing that's really driving me nets in
this convo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Like I maybe next week we have to probably spend
some time talking and unpackaging that because this week I'm like,
I'm sitting here and I'm going like, it's giving your
jealous that Samaira has a platform for loving herself.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Absolutely you don't well, and that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
What well, and and that what all she's calling for
is just for fat folks to have meaningful access to
life as well too through fashion. Like that's not that's it,
that's it. But anyways, we gotta wrapped this bitch up
because y'all I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
With that being said, please sendish your thoughts be back
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Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
This place is trash, you can please.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
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turnersco Field. But just look up Scott Turnerschofield everywhere. Oh
I have that a at Beacons thing. Now go to
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Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, And you said, uh, what was
the name of the platforms?

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Oh no?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Where my film?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
My film is Becoming a Man on one hundred and
twenty seven, Easy steps out on one twenty seven on
Kinema that's like cinema with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
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me trying to stay home, but probably not. And if
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I will tell you whether he's out.

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at because sometimes I see it, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Why is she and why is she? Literally up in
the band.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Didn't tell nobody, but yeah, literally, I will keep my
eye on you, all right, y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
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(01:06:48):
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We may not be a cup of tea, girl, but
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so better for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
In the name of Miss Maya Angelou. When you know better,
you do better. Amen. Also, put some lotion on your
ash knees.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I was in the airport yesterday and I said, this
man was so fine, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
His elbows and his knees were ashy. And I said,
I can't. You are too cute to have ash mees
and really not.

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Your face is beautiful, but you got ashy needs and
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