Get Your Hands Off My Journalism (Featuring Kevin Ortega-Rojas)

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I spilled something on my desk. I'm so sad about
this girl. Damn. You got me a real moment, bitch,
and a real fucking moment.

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It's the same ship.

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Oh my guys everywhere, so sorry you're giving them a
realist moment.

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You know, I'm laughing that you do what this reminds
me of.

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It reminds me of the episode when I girl with
screaming I was lid in the window and you, oh,
I'm sorry.

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Right, I'm so sorry.

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She had to go way you should window have me screaming.

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Family, you were just like, I'm not in it today.

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I can't do.

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It and I'm having a beautiful day till this very
moment in time.

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Family, it's it's your girl, Jordan ak Joe Hope, and
I don't spill. I don't spill my face sarum, which,
let me tell you, bitch.

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And it's not cheap. I'm sure not fucking cheap, bitch.

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What what are you doing with the Did you put
it up before you got on the camera?

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No, I just I just I put I put it
on in the morning, but I did my dumas had
not screwed it in a properly, I guess, and so
I just went I went to pick it up, and
I said, oh, is it oily on? And now I
see what And I'm so sad because I can't even
try to save it.

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I can't.

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I can't try a poor back in the thing I am.

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Tell me what it is and I'll seem to a
new boy.

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This has happened to me several times.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
You think you would learn, You think you think you
would learn, and and see think God, think God, I'm
pretty because I I when I just I don't learn,
I don't learn. I'm so sad, Anyways, y'all, I am ready.
I'm not ready for life anyway, but happy Black History
Month to all cute people as well too. I'm not no,

(03:37):
I'm not ready for this month to go about too fast,
but I am going to push people to think more
about black history and blacks and it's still ever growing
by anti black polical worder.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I need to be just here together, So that's what
I would say.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
But also, y'all, if but if a white man wants
to send me okay, do peace for free to do so.

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Speaker 3 (04:23):
Anyway, with that being said, we.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Have a guest in our third seat today who is
literally sitting in the background, probably cracking up because They're like,
what the fuck that.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I say yes to doing this? So we have such
a serious, amazing guest.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Literally, this is what they're walking into. But you know what,
y'all know what it is around here, and y'all love
us for it. This Queerities nominated. Now, let me explain
something before I go in to giving more of an update.
This is a big deal because that means that the
gays have the white gaze have approved you. And so
with that it said, I am just very I'm I'm

(05:02):
proud to know you. I'm proud to know You're.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Not I'm not proud of that.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I'm just saying when the white gays like you, it
means you're doing something right. With that being said, they
are the Quarities nominated.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Get uh.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
They break down the most important social, political and pop
culture moments.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Moments.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I know when I get online and I see here's
why Kevin, I see the posts, I got all shit,
something done happened because I know that Kevin has got
the news first.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
They A lot of their work is very clear conscious
and it's very much focused on analyzing a lot of
the systems that impact black and brown folks, specifically black
and brown queer people. I am just very very grateful
that they said yes to being here on one on
a whim, but also on top of that, just because
of who they are in their platform. I just said,
you know, we were gonna have a deep conversation, and

(05:53):
I said, I got to call in the big dog.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I got to call in a big dog. So please
give it up to Kevin. AKA. Here's why Kevin? How
you you in Hi?

Speaker 4 (06:01):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'm well, how are you?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I would just like to say all the Caucasians immediately,
time money.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, it is three thousand, three hundred and fifteen dollars
and it'll probably be another two hundred dollars, so go
ahead and run me that good old thirty five.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Delivery as well.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Just go ahead and book me for something and then
I could just pay for it out of my own pocket.
But that'll be the way if you want to book me,
because that's right, and then you could say, oh, this
will help we make even on that.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
You can do that too. It's cool. But I'm so
happy you're here, Kevin. How'd you day going?

Speaker 6 (06:43):
Thanks are okay? It's kind of a slow news week.
I'm gonna be honest, so yeah, things have not been
that bad. You know, we haven't bombed anyone, you know,
always grateful for that. We have a shot in one
of the face that we know about, so like, you know,
I'm chilling, let me know.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
About okay, good good?

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, you know not good that it's a slow news week,
because we do need that for our own rest. I
know that the girls are fighting over rest being resistance
right now, and we'll get to that in a couple
of a couple of weeks. We'll talk more about rest
as resistance. But what I will say is I'm glad
that it's not stressing you out and that you're not
stressed out over everything. But with that being said, we
are going to jump in our first segment of the show,

(07:23):
still Here. This is where we celebrate Miss Tisha Campbell
and say I'm still.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Here and.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yes, here here.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
We are still You know what got Dann And I'm
gonna say it too. This week has tried to take
me down, But I am still here and I'm so
happy that I can say that. So with that being said,
I wanted to continue the trend of glorifying fat over here.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
We talked about that last week. We're going to talk
more about it this week.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
So this week I'm going to ask a simple yet
very complex and spicy question. I would love to know
what is the fattest thing that you have done that
you're proud of?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Mine?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
So I'll say this and then Kevin, I'll throw it
to you, and then we're gonna go ahead and go
to Joho. Mine is part of my lore. So if
you get to know me a little bit more, if
you ever get to meet Edwina, who we talk about
around here, this is my mom, she'll tell you this story.
It's a whole story. It's a whole to do, but anyway,
part of my lore. And I will be going more
into that in my new book that will be coming

(08:24):
out hopefully soon.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
But I will be going into that a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
But the fattest thing I've ever done and that I
will do again is I've ate an entire gallon of
butter pecan ice cream in one sitting, and Bitch, I
do it again. I will do it again because I can.
I can also bust down an entire thing of Krispy
Kremes and pecan pie. I can't do it now because
on Ozimpic won't let me but I can do it.

(08:51):
I can if I want to.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
The only reason that I kept the straight face is
because I've never been good at either math or and
I also I have ADHD, so I have time blindness,
and like measurements and numbers mean nothing to me. So
if you're like, I've lost ten pounds, I don't know
what ten pounds look like. Like I'm five to seven.
I don't know what being five to seven looks like.

(09:15):
So like you said, a gallon of ice cream, and
in my head, you know that meme of that white
woman like doing math, I'm like, how much is a balance?
How much gallon?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
And then I realized how big a gallon was and
I was like.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Bitch, yeah, Like wow, wow girl.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
He said, that's a big girl.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's that you know? And I do it again. I
would if I could, but I can't, so I won't.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But what I will say is, in my heyday, before
the good old, before Type two came knocking on my door,
I used to be that girl that could just throw
all the sugar back. But anyway, Kevin, what have you
given thought to? What's the fattest thing that you're proud
of that you've done.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
I don't know if I'm proud it. I don't know
if I can think of like a singular I can't
really think of like a big example. I think just
a consistent example. A lot of people don't know that
I have a thirteen year old Soka.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I have a thirteen year old son.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
And so like something that I know every parent does
is that Halloween just the second Halloween comes and they
come home with all that candy, and I'm just like, baby,
you'll get one piece every couple of days. I'll keep
it away for you until he forgets about it because
I ate it.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
On Halloween night, I put him to bed and I
sit on the couch and I put on a movie.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And that's right. I know that's right.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think that as reparations protecting him from himself.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Ye I love that, Okay, I love I love this question, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I don't I want to ask you and it's it
may sound shitty out louds, but it's not like, do
you have you.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Have you been a fat person before? Have you been one?
Because okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Go ahead, I want to hear how you're qualifying this.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I was good because I was because I was like,
like this question is very It's like very like inner
secing thumb. It's very like we're like we're like putting
the curtain back behind behind, like are like are like
super fat? Ways and so and so I was like Kevin,
like is this question because also like well was like, well,
like I'm not fat, So like can I say this?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
But also like you can't because it's our show. What
if you want to say right?

Speaker 5 (11:34):
But but but but but also like just know like
we're like we're like pulling you in, put you in
close to us.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So because because we're we're give me something like the
laura I want to give.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
I would tell nobody this out. I'm like, heaven, you're
you're a trusted confidant and you assisted that you assisted.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Girl, me and every other bitch listening to this podcast.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
The tea in the world.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, that that that.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
That's my qualifier in this So that's that's what I
was asking. So okay, So the people I have for me,
it's a Furiously. I was hanging out with my girl
Christina and we got mad high. We went to the
store and get some snacks. We got apple pie for us.
It was so key was delicious. We're all here watching TV.
We're playing the switch, hanging out, and we heat the
pie up, and you know, like it's all gooey and

(12:27):
ship it's all steaming and some ice cream out right,
and so my my eye has to bring to the
couch and light the of the goose. Clumsy bitch, I am,
I don't I done tripped and dropped the pie on
the floor and I stared at it, then stood at her.
She stared back at me. I stared back at her.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
We stayed. We both stayed at the pie, and I
was like, fuck it.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Yeah, I picked that pie up, put it right back
in the right back in the eleven ten and.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I said, girl, we're gonna meat this pie.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Well listen she she she had she had shoes off household.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I know she came on the floor. So I knew
it one was fine, and knew it's fine.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And anyone out.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Here is like you a nasty bit?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
No, because people, so who was a nicety e boody holes?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Who was a nasty bitch? Now, okay, if you don't
come for me, if you can, as.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
You can pick up a piece of pie.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh say it wasn't it was the whole pie. I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm just saying, I ask you can pick up a
pie and eat it.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It is the same thing, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Think about that or lot like I don't know I'm
gonna say this. I know I'm probably we're going a
little too long on this. But remember did you did
you hear that story about what's Gail?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Gail Oprah's friend?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, I guess she said that she had a piece
of pie delivered to her and someone bit it and.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, and she said that she still ate it. And
I was sitting there and you know, and everybody saying, yo.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Gil, why would you do that?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Why would you do that? Bitch?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I would too if I pay twelve dollars for somebody
to send me some high and I saw chunk of
it missing, I might and it's late, and I know
it may be hard for me to get another piece.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Just cut the piece to day. I'm just saying, you.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Know what I actually do. I actually do a lot
of that part. I don't know whether mouth has been
was I don't know who bid it was.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
It was it the door dasher was the person who
I just have I have a lot of questions about that.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I don't like to find like.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm fine with like my own chaos, but okay, other
people's chaos, So maybe I've gone maybe too fall?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Did I go too fall? Okay?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Captain's looking at me like, what the fuck did I
get myself into?

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I just think Gailking is too rich to be.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
You know, tea tea because let's talk about because Gail
could have because because if you're broke and you're like
I just spent twelve dollars, but a year go, Gail
can find pie shop from three hundred miles away.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
How that shit delivered stale and call that ye?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
And it's the time that knowing your place open really
laid in anyway, See, she was.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Fine annoying Gail gil have you guys wanted them to
make a part for her? Why she happen like she
had to go get up?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
How the liver?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
She could have had Oprah call the CEO and.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's like open.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So we can get you another people exactly, Thank you,
hey man. Well would that being said, while we take
a break to double dash ourselves, if you know, you know,
we will be back to talk politics with our sister.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Kevin will be back.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Into okay, fam, we are back in this year We're
discussed some actual serious stuff, not just goofy stuff with
our goodid Kevin.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
We're discussed everything related to what happened last week.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
We went to this talent sing our freelance journalists Don Lemon,
Joseph Fort, Jamelodo Lundi, and Treherne Jane Cruise. We felt
like it would be a good idea to get our
good system line to talk about it, mainly because we
wanted someone who could really help us break down not
just what happened, but we're just actually happening if you
get her gist. So to start with us, I love
to ask you what stands out to you, Kevin, about

(15:59):
the circumstances around the arrest to all that is happy
in Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
So, I mean there's a couple of things. I think
the Trump administration really loves distraction, and they're sort of
they're backing themselves into a corner because they're using distraction
so much that started to distract from one thing. So

(16:28):
like they'll distract from like issue A by bringing up
Issue B, and then Issue B will become such a
hot mess that they have to go back to issue
like you know, they have.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
To like release the Epstein files.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
To distract from Minnesota, which but they went to Minnesota
to distract from the Epstein file. So like it's all
just you know, it's it's a mess when it comes
to this particular arrest.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I think that if Don Lemon wasn't there, this wouldn't
have happened.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
I think I think he was just an easy target
and everyone else was not that they wouldn't have been targeted,
but I don't think it would be as high profile
and that people would be talking about it as much.
And I also, you know, I think that it's just

(17:19):
really strange to watch the Trump administration try to litigate
something that it feels like they haven't really made sense
of themselves, because like one of one of the one
of the things that they accused Don Lemon of is
like standing next to the pastor that he was interviewing,

(17:40):
and like a standing next to him in a threatening
way so you couldn't walk away, And I'm like, that's
not that's not against the law to ask someone questions.
And there's just so many if the whole thing is
like being in a church, there's so many examples of
maga Republicans who have done this, you know, just a

(18:01):
couple of days before this happened, Valentina Gomez, who's running
for Congress in Texas. She ran a failed campaign for
Missouri's I believe she was running for attorney general in
Missouri and she ended up coming in seventh place in
the primary. So like she's trying to get people's attention,

(18:21):
and like she stormed a church and everyone's like, okay,
Like let's just let's just keep this consistent. Then uh So,
I think it's a mess, and I don't think it's
going to go far. But it is an attack.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
On on free speech.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
It's an attack on free speech because it's an attack
on the free press. And it's also they did arrest
those organizers of that demonstration, so it's also an attack
on the right to assemble and peacefully protest. And again
I know that there's that there there are some legal

(18:55):
experts who argue, well, the Trump administration may have some
sort of they may have a case if they're arguing
that a church is technically not public property.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
But there have been cases in the past where.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Courts have found that churches during operation, you know, during worship,
because churches are supposed to be open to anyone, that
churches are you know, de facto public spaces if they're
open for worship, because anyone. But again, if your argument
is about the protests, Don Lemon several times in his

(19:38):
recording clarifies during the demonstration, we are not with these people.
We are here documenting, and he says it over and
over and over again. So I just I don't think
that they have a case against these journalists, you.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Know, and you speak to this, and I think this
is a great segue into this next question. You know,
Eternity Attorney General Pambodi or Bondi? Is that how you
say the last same Make sure I'm clear. Bondi, Yeah,
described the event as they coordinated a saw on church
and kind of related to the question. But it's also

(20:14):
frustrating to me because it's like for so for so
many people who are so holy to be doing so
many terrible things. It just it blows my mind because
it feels like they're constantly looking for an opportunity to
do something terrible to someone, but yet they're always purporting
themselves to be so close to church and to Christ
and all of that. It's just it's a very interesting

(20:34):
thing to me. But I definitely think about what Lemon's
team called the arrest is being an unprecedented assault on
free amendment, on the First Amendment, And I would love
to get you know, your thought about how these competing
narrative shape public opinion, specifically about journalists and journalism, and
then maybe even thinking about like why should anyone be

(20:57):
paying attention to all of this, because I think that's
the reason why we're we're navigating this conversation the way
we are.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I think a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Are just like, Oh, it's just journalism, or it's just this,
or it's just that, And I'm like, y'all do realize
that this is a bigger deal than what Especially like, again,
by the time y'all hear this, it'll be a week away.
But even today, all of the folks being fired at
the Washington Post like that, it's there's something that's specifically
happening to journalists and journalism, and I think we all
should be paying attention. So, yeah, I would just love

(21:25):
to know your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I have a couple of thoughts.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
One, you know, when it comes to the Washington Post,
I think that the public when we engage with stories
about like newsrooms going down the public has to take
some sense of responsibility for the fact that we do
not support journalism. And by we, I mean the general public.
I subscribe to everything, and I know that there are

(21:51):
folks who are like the New York Times wrote this piece,
so I will not subscribe. I'sprit with the Washington Post
when when Jeff Bezos wrote it, Besos acquired the Washington Post.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
But that is the reason newsrooms are expensive.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
They do not exist based on like Pulitzer prizes or
social media posts. It is a lot to employ journalists
around the globe, you know, in war zones and you.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Know, covering all these different verticals. Like that's expensive. That
is just and people. It's been reported that.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
The Washington Post has been losing money for quite some time,
so that doesn't surprise me. And so I personally just
wouldn't include it in this example, Okay, because I believe
that there is a lot of attacks on journalism. I
just think that the failure of the Washington Post is
not one of them.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Just think I think that it is.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
I think that it is a result of the way
that over the last ten years, Trump has repeatedly attacked
journalists and has attacked newsrooms and said, you know, people
can't trust them. And so we've seen a dip across
the board in America and how people engage with the
news and with journalists and mainstream media so called you

(23:05):
know MSM. People again have retracted their support. They don't subscribe,
they don't give their dollars. So the newsrooms are struggling.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So I would say that it is a byproduct of
the attacks on journalism.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
But these these mass layoffs are not necessarily an attack
on journalism themselves. But when it comes to the attack
on journalists by the Trump administration and whack people should
care is because so much of what we know is
again they went after independent journalists, and so much of

(23:44):
the news that people get is because of independent voices
like Dundleman, you know, like Midas Touched, like myself, people
who are able to work, you know, on their own,
trying to get the fact straight to the people. And
so when they are no longer just rhetorically attacking established institutions,

(24:05):
but are also attacking independent voices, I think people should
be scared.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Mmm mm hmmm mmmmmm.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, you know, I'm I'm like.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Processing that and holding a lot holding this like this
idea that you're saying earlier, like they are they had
been administration trying to make a point, like trying trying
to make a point at this right, like they're they're
trying instage circuits are trying to like make make folks
like Donovan an example of of like what could happen.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
To them if they strive to if they strive to
like like to do their their truthalistic working for the truth, right,
I have that.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
So I just it's it's like, it's it's really heartbreaking
because I think, you know, people are divesting from media
in in this very specific way, and they're beginning to like,
like and the the media they're getting now is gonna
be media like more likely from like from creators, content creators, influencers.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And we have a question like a bit litter about that.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
But it's by interesting and sad because people want they
want truth and they want.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Trustworthiness and authentic and authentic reporting.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
But they but they don't but they don't want that
if it doesn't align with them at all. And so
I find I struggle a lot with it because folks
are like the same people who say that they want
to best from New York Times, the same folks actually
still keep posting about the New York Times, are posting
New York Times not recognizing that they actually are posting

(25:40):
the New York Tis, or they're posting the person's particle
that they were gonna on the New York Times, or
they're posting from like from like from like you know,
insert like dark web like well okay, I was like
like insert dark web live person right like right like
and and and like that like that that that would

(26:02):
be their vision or version of truth and so like
and so it's just sad seeing how the adminstration is
really is really playing a calculating game of how it
tells you what is good or what is or is
not good. Media and media not also being people independently,
but also between like a journalist who has background training

(26:22):
and folks who are just who make me just postuff
for like click baby all see click bake, clickbait a
lot too. So I'm just like, like, what you said
gives to meeting a lot of different things. But I'm
also curious to engage the idea of how race player
role in this. I mean, race is a role in everything,
and so want to know what are your thoughts around
what this suggests about race and power. The black generals

(26:43):
and black community activists, we're arrested in connection with the
same protests. While while you know well to your point,
you know, you made like this isn't this isn't a
this is it's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Not illegal to ask some questions.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
But if you have, let's say, a white general is
covering a similar event, they likely aren't getting arrested or
face charges.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
What part of this do you think people should be
should be like alarmed for?

Speaker 6 (27:08):
What I would say is that race plays a role
in this situation, but I don't think in the way
that people think it does. So I think, first of all,
like I mentioned before, Like I mentioned before, I don't
think that this would have gotten the media attention that
it did if Don Lemon wasn't involved. So the day

(27:31):
that Don Lemon was arrested, which was this past Saturday,
since the day that we're recording, when Don Lemon and
Georgia for and Jamal and all these books, when everyone
was arrested, we got their name sort of here and
there until Pam Bondi put out a full statement. Uh,

(27:51):
And so I was posting, you know, every update of
all the individuals who were arrested with both those of them,
and it just kept being another black person and another
black person. And later that afternoon, I shared a video
of a man in a parking lot. He was actually
in front of the federal building in Minneapolis, the Whipple
Building where ICE has been detaining American citizens, and he

(28:16):
was out there sort of standing watch with other people
and a bunch of FBI agents came and arrested him
on a camera.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
This is a white man.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
His name is Austin and he is an Army veteran
and he was also at that protest. So if you
actually go and look, if you actually go and look
at the documents from this case, I believe the indictment
has like a dozen people on it. And I think
like the five people we know about are black, and
like the other ones are not, or.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Like a handful are not black. So there are non
black people who have been implicated and indicatment as.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, but at the black stories and ran with them.
Basically that's the case.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
I think that voices like ours will continue to uplift
those stories because we know that marginalized people face the
harshest punishment and the you know, unfair treatment. So there
is you know, there is a instinct for me when
I see that a black person has been implicated in

(29:23):
something where a brown person has been implicated in something,
to make sure that I make that as loud as possible. Yeah,
so I always you know, the news that I cover
on my platform is pretty widespread, but in my mind
and my audience who's like not black, may not even
realize it. Every story to me, in my head goes
through this like checklist of I'm like, is this important

(29:46):
to my audience who In my head, my target audience
are black and brown folks first, So I would say
that it played a role in the way that it
made mainstream news. But also I think that the targeting
of independent journalists who are also black is important here

(30:06):
because whenever you try to suppress people's rights to something,
you want to start with the group that you assume
will have the least amount of sympathizers. So you're going
to go after black queer folks first and see if
people actually react to that, because what you hope is

(30:29):
that you get away with ripping rights away from people
or treating them unfairly, and by the times people react,
their rights have already been taken away too.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
So I think it is very intentional to.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Start with a don Lemon when you decide that you're
about to start attacking people's first Amendment right in a
pretty blatant way. So I think that that's how But
you know, again, I do want to stress it because
I think that Donald Trump and his administration are a
threat to everyone.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
That this is happening across the board. You know.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
I know I have friends who are you know, non black,
and they're they're getting like, you know, checked when they
I had a friend who wants to go get her
passport and like they told her, they told her, like,
you're not in the system, you can't get a passport.
You know, this person happens to be like a big creator.
And so I think that they are going to come

(31:21):
for everyone. But it is clear that race plays a
role in who they go after.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
For Yeah, And I think that's kind of in the
same way. You know, everyone keeps asking the question, you know, well,
why is this administration so big on harping on trans
folks and you know, specifically black trans folks. And I've
been saying, you know, kind of to your point, Kevin,
like they they know, the world kind of sees black
trans people, tracks specifically black trans women, as you know,

(31:49):
they what's the word I'm looking for. They're expendable, you
know in a lot of people's minds, right, they're very expendable,
quote unquote. And I don't say this because I believe it,
but the world as oh, no, one's going to care.
And I think that's the reason why they've been going
after trans people the way that they've been going after them.
And so to your point, I think it's you know,
I don't want to posit this conversation as being like, oh,

(32:12):
you know, we're on some conspiracy shit and everybody needs
to be scared and everybody needs to be worried. No,
what we're saying is paying its kind of paying attention
to what's happening and how it's happening, so that way
we can continue to amplify and speak up and be
aware of those who are going to be impacted because
you know, while they're coming after Don Lemon. And this

(32:33):
is this is where my mind was when I when
I threw this out as a possible conversation for us.
They're coming for the Don Lemons. I'm thinking about the
Jared Hills, and I'm thinking about, you know, other independent
journalists who I know are on the ground trying to
do their due diligence to get these not only just
get their stories out, but also get the larger stories out.

(32:54):
And I'm thinking about it. What they're really trying to
send a message. At least in my mind, they're sending
a message of we want independent journalists, regardless of race,
to be so afraid to cover anything that's happening, you know,
in in in the US that they you know, obviously
do something else or or take another take another direction,

(33:14):
and the stuff that they're focused on, and so yeah,
it's just it's it's it's a very interesting time. I
guess the question that I did want to ask kind
of to that is, you know, I guess for me,
I've always wanted to kind of know or at least
your take on press freedom and how journalists now often

(33:34):
work as freelancers or independent I know, I'm trying to
think of his name because I can see his face,
but I can't say it. What is his name? He's
actually related to my friend Courice, and he's also a
journalist who is very has a very big following I
think he might have been on CNN for a quick time.
He's queer.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
What is his name?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Who are we talking? He's skinny, black African American.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Jamal and Jordan. Is it Jamal and Jordan? Or is it?
Is it?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I can see his face and I can't say it anyway.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
But all that to be said, I think about him,
shut out shouts, shout out to that. Yeah, it's happy
black queer history months of honey, because you are your
queer history.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Listeners may not know what you're talking about, but the
ancestors do no.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I guess the question that I want to ask you is,
you know, what does it mean for press freedom that
journalists now often have to work as freelancers because many
of them are getting let go or even having to
work independent without the legal and institutional backing of a
large news organization. And then I think also on top
of that, like I know that you've made mentioned that

(34:45):
you see yourself as a creator who is just very
socially aware of everything, and so with you kind of
making that distinction, what is the importance of finding someone
you trust to deliver news to you, regardless of if
they're a journalist or et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna I think I should start
with your last question and then my way back.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
So what I'll say is, I'm not a creator.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
I am I'm a writer, and I'm reporter and I
and I clarify that I'm not a journalist because I
just think that there's a certain amount of professional training
that journalists go through.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
There's a certain amount.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Of rigor, and there are you know, ethics codes and
you know, editorial standards that exist that I don't want.
I don't have to comply with. I've never had to
because I work for myself. Here's why Kevin is just Kevin,
and I really respect the industry and the profession.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I've wanted to be a journalist my whole life, and
so I'm working my way up to be able to
call myself that.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
But I you know, I don't as far as trusting
place is to get your news from, the biggest thing
is sources like that is, you know, and people who
do not filter the news that they give you, you know,
with overt opinions. Excuse me, because you know, I don't

(36:18):
believe that there's such thing as unbiased news. It doesn't exist.
Everything is biased. You know, the story you choose to cover,
how you phrase it, the photo you use, the headline
you write, all of those choices are made with, you know,
an unconscious bias that you cannot get away from. It's
just it's not real. So it's about making sure that

(36:40):
people are giving you the facts straight. I think you
have to, you know, really have some discernment, uh in
who you choose to listen to, and find people who
are just giving you facts and not people who are
like trying to do explainer videos where they give you
the full thing, just like, because that's not you can't
go off of that.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Go read the source material. Go read. People need to
start doing the reading. It's okay to read.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Our parents used to read the newspaper like it's it's
okay to read. So I would say trust the sources
who encourage you to go off their page for more information.
Every post that's on my page has at least one, two,
sometimes three sources cited at the bottom, and my audience,
if you don't, if you don't have the time, I

(37:26):
hope that my post gave you as much information as
you need to get the gist of it, so you know.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
What's going on.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
But if it's a story that's really important to you,
you don't have to leave a comment way for me
to respond.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I told you where to get, you know, all the she's.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I told you where to go girl? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Because people people comment and they're like, what about And
I'm like, you the caption, it's in the caption, the
stories in the caption. People think that the headline is
a story.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I don't. I don't understand anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think there some psychology there.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
But headline headline culture, like headline culture, and like clickbait culture,
is so insane because I you know, I know you
mentioned clickbait before you as someone someone said it, and
you know, my favorite is when people will leave a
comment and they're like, this headline is clickbait. I'm like,
everything online is clickbait. We want you to yeah, I

(38:21):
wanted you to click on this read the name caption.
As far as what it means that journalists have to
work independently, you know, I think that I think that
we are unfortunately watching capitalists greed take over our information ecosystems,

(38:44):
and people are having to respond. You know, the elessons
of the world who are taking over the paramounts and
sky Dance and CBS News and that Jeff Bezos with
Washington Posts. It's a lot, And I think I think
we're in the middle of a transition.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know, Like I said before, I think that Donald
Trump and.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
His his anti journalism, anti media rhetoric for all these years,
as we really started, eroded trust in a way that
forced people to just find new ways to share information.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
So I think we're I think we are literally right
in like the middle of that transition. And I think
in a couple of years, several years from now, will
end up in a whole different, you know, information ecosystem
and will in a new media landscape. I'm actually writing
my first book about it right now, about how.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
You know, we've changed the news online.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
I think that the position that I'm in where like
I'm not a Midas Touch profile, Like I don't have
two point seven million followers, and I'm not like employing
a team of people.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
But I'm not no one.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
You know, I reached three hundred I reached three hundred
million people a month, So like, you know, I think
I'm in a unique position where I'm like watching an
industry that I've wanted to be a part of my
entire life shift in a major way, and I feel
like I'm sort of caught.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
In the middle of it. You know. Yeah, that's but
I think I think things change mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
And I love that you say you're not nobody, because,
like I said, I'd be looking at your stuff and
getting my information from day two.

Speaker 8 (40:27):
So yes, yeah, people people stop me in the most
random places, you know, like someone there that I was like,
I'm not even I was pulling my underwear out of
the dryer at the launching and someone's.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Like, by the way, thanks for your work, world bad.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yes, ye love the underwear, love your work. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Thank you for being yes, thank you.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
You will bring a really great point about the changing ecosystem,
because one thing that was big this past to remember
what it was, it was like it was like either
I think it was like either during the GUP or
the primaries or the election.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Process or possibly like like a White House event.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
But they're certain they're starting to invite like like conservative
creators to be part of the experience too, uh so
they can deliver their news. And I appreciate you, Kevin
for delivering writer versus creator, and and that and no
name that that is totally I'm I was who would
the question really cious about it.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I appreciate you naming. I'm not a creator. I'm
a writer and different different, different.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I'm not I'm not offended by that title.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
I just like to me, like creators are like attle
different they like I just imagined like these creators who
like no shade to them, like meet politicians and then
do like d have challenges with them.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
You're never going to that. I think that's such a
that's such a fair point. That's such a fair point.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, yeah, she said, you not get no content out
of me. I'm not doing nobody's tacktac well.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
And I know that and you, and I think it
demonstrates for like I I you you name that like
like like at president you aren't quote unquote a journalists
by like technicality, but you aspired to do so. And
now so like I really hope that you that you're
able to like to accomplish that for yourself.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
As well too, and also that you get the book too.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I saw that and and the book to you.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
But I think like like like it's obviously very clear
that you uphold yourself to a to a to a
like what some could say a journalistic standard, and that
like like the like the intevity of truth is important
to you, and like delivering a news stories story it
is impre to you, and and really.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Like giving facts for people.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
And I think you have you have positioned yourself to
be someone that people trust to get their information delivered.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
And I and I appreciate that you always that you.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Give your links to for people because that's what that's
really really really important to me with my my background
and druminalism, and so it's to me that people always
have one more than one source and that and and
then the do they can just say, like go read
to the things like here is my understanding of the facts,
and also go read these things.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
So I really appreciate that from you a lot.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
I'm curious to ask you just like in this moment
as we go back into this case, because what's been
really interesting for people, and I don't think people realize.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Is that the defense against an lemon.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Is like is is being, it's being it's using the
face act, which is like it's like it's it's like
freedom accessing clinics and so which folks who don't know
was made, was put into law, particularly for to protect
folks who were trying to access the portion clinics.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
But also there's a cause that it's about.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
So it's like, you can't interfere with someone trying to
get access to a portion clinics. But also there's a
clause in there or there's a there's another law, and
that is saying you can't interrupt, inter fear with someone
exercising their religious freedom. And so people are you, And
so the case against Don Lov in this moment is
saying that he went he the purchases went in to
disrupt someone exercising with.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Someone's religious treatom.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
The layer on top of that is that the person,
the pastor there is an ice agent as well. If
I'm if I am, if I'm not mistaken and so,
and so I'm curious to ask you, like how Sean,
You're like, uh, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Sick of it. I'm so I'm sorry, I'm just you know, I.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Think I think when it brings up really interesting conversation
around Like I mean, obviously people can hold multiple jobs
and of all they want, but like but like one
interesting thing that like like you make your identity. This
you make your identity when privatiunity is like is like
basically is like postoral work. And I imagine preaching unity
for everybody, and then your other identity is literally breaking

(44:45):
up people.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Like from their homes.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
And so I'm curious asked, like, you know, how like
how might you see this play out? How like, given
given your attention to detail, given your the the you know,
the the the pulse you have on how news works
and how and how the matters behind like laws are working,
how do you how about you just playing out how

(45:07):
much you see the courts balancing you know, the claims
about safety, religious rights against the public's right, uh like
to press on issues like integration enforcement.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
I have an unpopular opinion on how this is going
to go because a lot of people think.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
That this is that this is bullshit, that the whole
case is bullshit.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
I think that the case against particularly Don Lennon and
Georgia Ford, I think.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
That those cases are bullshit.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
I see those charges against them being tossed out by
a judge.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I do the rest of the so so as far
as the journalism.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Part goes, but the actual organized protest do.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
You do think that there is a chance that we
will see that the indictment against these organizers go to trial,
and I do believe that it will end.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Up in front of the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Now what they will you know, what kind of penalty
or jail time or anything like that they might be basic.
I'm not a legal expert, so I'm not sure, but
just based on doing the reading, again, there is an
argument that that churches are not public spaces. For your
First Amendment right to peacefully organized is not include a church.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
There's an argument for it.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Do I agree with that, not necessarily, but I do believe,
you know what I mean, like that's that doesn't mean
that they can't go to court and argue over that
is where that argument would take place. So I do
think that this is going to be another one of those.
I think that this is going to be a landmark
Supreme Court case. Interesting, but again I think that this
is twenty twenty nine, will get a decision, Yeah, when.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Lord knows, it takes years for things to go to
the court in the first place. I do a good point.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
I do wonder if part of the conversation is redefining
what's the public space or not, because yeah, there's just
that's I haven't I mean, I don't work church at all,
so it's not I've never really thought about church as
like as a public or pirate space whatsoever. By I
find I find it super super interesting that that is
part of the discussion as well.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Thank you, Kevin, Thank you all right, FA now that
we ever mind you that journalism is in fact.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Not a crime check, but we're finding that that maybe
somethings around it maybe as well.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
More more on that in the future.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
I mean to get a quick break, quick break and
come back with more show and accent.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
All right, y'all.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
So speaking of duality, we are switching gears and diving
into Grammy Chat. And I will say this at the
top before I before we jump into our what's pop
in this week? I was bored. I found the Grammys
to be very boring outside of and maybe that's just
my age. I am, I am, I am a very

(48:07):
swift forty and so I found myself being like looking
around like an old grandpa, like who who who.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Is this people? What are they doing?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Why?

Speaker 3 (48:16):
What are they talking about? What are they singing?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Like I like I know some of the dolls, like
the girls who performed Gnarly. I'm familiar with cats eye,
I'm trying to keep up with them. That Addison Ray character,
I felt that was probably the I not.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Tell you if that's a giant Pepsi bitch or the
bitch she does the splits and like I could there
the same girl to me.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
It's not talking to me that I was standing on
business Like, I genuinely was like, it's not clocking to
me who this girl is. So with that being said,
as soon as I said I, as soon as Kevin
said that, they come on, I said, Okay, we're gonna talk.
We're gonna talk talk, We're gonna talk shop, but we're
also gonna talk shit. And the thing we're gonna talk
about is the Grammys, because obviously it is. It was

(49:02):
a week away, but I wanted to make sure that
we took time to process. And so with that being said,
I just want to know y'all's take. Was there anything
you loved, anything you wanted to toot or boot. The
thing I will say that I did want to tout
is that'll.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
The Olivia baby. What's her name? Olivia Dean. So it's
taken It's taken me a moment.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That Olivia baby, because I don't know her name Olivia
Dan now, so I will say this, and I did
go on record to say this, and folks gotten together.
I thought that she was the same baby who was
singing that song about where is My Husband? And I said,
why does she got all these pick me songs? And
then I realized that she's a very separate person. So

(49:43):
her and Ray are two different people. Ray sings the
where is my Husband's song and Olivia Dean sings the
song about the man I Need? Because I was like,
why is all her music pick me music? But then
I realized they were two separate people.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
So all that to this.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Clear, No, none of those songs are pick me songs,
and I will stand on business for it. Another that
I picked me stung the lyrics give picked me, that's right,
the tie pick me with.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
The lyrics, the lyrics, the whole.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I'm waiting on my husband to come find me and
my life will be so much better. It's girl, girl, girl,
that's up, stay up, stand up. But anyway to move
things along, I will say love that. Olivia Dean used
her first opportunity on the stage to say fuck Ice.

(50:32):
The fact that she is a brand new artist, or
at least brand new to me, and the fact that
she's gotten an award, and like the first thing she
says is fuck Ice. It's a big It's a big
fucking deal.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Shout out.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I also want to say shout out to my friends
who also were nominated and won for Sinners, Lydia, Renee,
and I have a few other friends who are on
that soundtrack that will be getting medals for for their
work with Sinners, so shout out to them.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Bad Bunny.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I think about this a lot, and I was gonna
say this online, but I can say this here because
I don't think too many people will. I always think
about that man who got to kiss Bad Bunny, and
I'm still thinking about that. How jealous I am that
I was not that man on that stage that day.
Durand Bernard, congratulations girl, and Klannie like get your things

(51:25):
because you deserve them. All of them are my big
shout outs. Aliah Sheffield, I also want a shout out.
She also co wrote some stuff with Duran Bernard on
their album and is also Grammy not Grammy winner now,
So it's just it's just really cool that some of
the people that are in my circle that I have
seen hustling for the last few years in the music

(51:47):
industry are finally starting to get their time to shine.
And I'm just really really happy my boot. So we
can do it that way too. The things you love,
the things you want to boot, we can boot my boot.
I need Sabrina car to come a little harder on
her next album. I loved Short and Sweet, so then
when we got to this album, I was like, ooh, girl,

(52:08):
what is this Like? It didn't give me, It didn't
give what it needed to give. And so every time
she lost, I was like, well, girl, like you did
it to yourself, Like the singles you put out weren't good,
Like it just the album didn't do anything for me.
So you know, it just wasn't giving Grammy Winner to me.

(52:30):
But anyway, Kevin, what are your thoughts? Did you have
any thoughts? Do you care about the Grammys?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
I love the show.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
You know what's so interesting is that I love a
ward show just in general.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
So like every award show.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
I have to like make some sort of like disclaimer
to my audience because I don't want people to like
get They're like, what the fuck just happened to this guy?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I always post. I'm like, hey, it's Sunday, and it's
a word show season.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Sunday nights, we take a break from all this series
and I post the things that I have enjoyed, And
usually it's just celebrating either queer, black or lapino people
that happened to like win historical ways.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
So I always I always watch and I'm always like
recapping them on threads.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
This Grammy show, I agree, was pretty boring and I
found myself asking who people were.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
So I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
I'm so old, and like one of my one of
my friends on threads was like, girl, we're old. We
have to wait for the Lifetime Achievement Award. That's our category. Now,
Like why why was why was the di'angelo in memorial
the best part of the Like why were we dancing?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Why it was?

Speaker 6 (53:46):
It was in memorial and people were lit at the end,
and I was like, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Is a mess.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
It was our music, That's why it was all of
our artists that was celebrating him. So like we knew
who those names were. I that man was, who was
in the sky. There was a man who was singing
in the sky. I have no idea what white man.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so as far as like the
performances go, I would say that the Memorial to Me
was the best performance of the night, and I loved
I loved seeing how many artists they got to bring out.
I'm confused why Kailannie wasn't there. That's just that really

(54:26):
upset me that she wasn't included. Yeah, especially, so, like
just a quick aside, I always watched the premiere show
because all the black all the.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Black winners are in the premiere show.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
The gospel all the gospel winners, all the winners, all
the hip hop ways, they're always in the premiere show.
So like during the actual Grammys, they only give away
about fourteen awards and there's actually like one hundred and twelve.
So the premiere show always is much longer than the
actual Grammy show and it takes place in the same.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Arena, but they do like a whole you know, early.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
Show, and I hate that they don't invite the nominees
from the pre show to the actually because wow, because
I'm like, Kailani is a Grammy winner now and she's
home posting pictures already. While the show is still going on,
Like y'all couldn't give her a seat. That upset me,

(55:21):
so I wish she was there. I love seeing people
like Lucky Day included.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I love Lucky.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Day, but yeah, the performers. The performers were pretty boring
to me, especially I don't I think that we need
to drop first. We need to drop the Best New
Artist thing that they started doing about two years ago.
I don't need all of.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Them to perform.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
That's what they.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Perform.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
So literally, what they do now is they just take
like three three general three three other performers who are
nominated for the big awards, which is usually like Record
and Song of the Year, and they asked them to perform,
which is why we had those performances. And then they
do Best New Artists and then whatever tributes they have.
Those are the only performances. Bitch, I want the biggest numbers.

(56:07):
I want like Kaylani should have been on stage doing Folded.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
What are we doing? This is so silly.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
To me, missed opportunity.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
You need in the water singing rain on me. That's
what we need. A shanty.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Like we used to have Beyonce pregnant tipping over in
a chair, risking.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Her life, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And this was yeah, one.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Of the but as far as.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
As far as Boots would go, you know, I would say,
I would say, it's just the just the best new
art performance.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
You know.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
The Bad Bunny moment, Me and my friends were here,
and because we're on the East Coast, it was like
eleven thirty at night, We've been watching it.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
We're so tired. We're like, damn, how long is it
gonna drag on?

Speaker 6 (56:53):
When I'm so happy because when I tell you, it
was just a room of people just we're just I
was just crying, like it was. It meant much to
watch him win that award. So yeah, that was the
biggest moment for me.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
That was me last year.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I'm not gonna hold you when Beyonce won for the Country.
I I think everybody in my complex heard me screaming
because I just kept screaming yes, like like I felt.
So that's the reason why I was so happy when
Bad Bunny won, because I was like that same emotion
that I had for Beyonce. I knew my peers were

(57:26):
gonna have for Bad Bunny. And when he was sitting
there and he was rubbing his eyes. I was like,
I feel it, Like I know, I felt that he.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Didn't have his people next to him. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
All his people were backstage waiting for him because he
had just won an award earlier, and so there's a
video of him when he walks off stage, all his
friends are like there, and I was like, damn, that's
kind of so you have to like go through that
by yourself.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, but it was so it was so cool to
watch What About You Joe.

Speaker 9 (57:53):
So I think I didn't didn't get a chance to
watch the full show, just saw some highlights and speeches
from winners, and I just said, like, seeming to his
flowers for Bloom, which I think is very kis Matt
that like he got flowers for his album Bloom was everything?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Obviously obviously I've been.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I've been.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
I've been a Lonnie stand since since day one, since
since being a baby bitch.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
So there's one thing I know about my sister.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
I know that seeing her ging their flowers was everything,
Seeing their speeches everything.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I love. First of all, you you you think the girl?
Can you think on the girl?

Speaker 5 (58:25):
But she says, you tak a shot out of the Grammy,
I said, that's my girl right there, that's my girl
right there, but also her they her making a point
to say.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Fu ice as well too.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
And I really appreciate like so much of that from
from people I love something and duran congratiate each other.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That was really special. I lived to see it.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
I was like, this is this, this is giving black
for a joy, this is like, this is so so dope.
I think I think Debbie Photos was so deserved for.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Album of the Year, Like I think like musically is an.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Album about nostalgia, beclauding the present, a resistant colonization and relation,
and I think it was it was Sello deserved. And
I'll say I can't I won't speak on like the
impact the impact it actually has for Latino communities, but
they just flake for me to receive it from For me,
I know, it was a really incredible, really incredible moment.
And I really I really appreciate his speech as well too.

(59:19):
I really like it was really moving to say like
this is for all the all the.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
People who had who had who had to leave their
homeland to like to come chase your dreams.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
But also to a point of how right, like like
in the album, there's a there is a song about
Hawaii that he makes connections between Puerto Rico and Hawaii
of like of like Reverend's Place where conversation, assimilation, and
and like people right now are terrorizing, not terrorising, but
people are traveling to Hawaii and Puerto Rico more and

(59:51):
more for tourism.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Terrorizing is not the best word to use, although I.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Feel, well, that's why I have about it, because because
I'm like, you weren't going to actually like support the locals,
you're sharing to support the culture. You're going to just
like have fun and dance to bad but in the time,
so like you have to do something more than that.
I really, really, I really was moving, was moved by
I'm so happy for elividing professional artists.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I love her. I love her music so much.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I think like I literally she does. And I appreciate
her speech as well too. I think I think my
boots were some of the speeches as well. Like I
was impressed with Billy Eilish, like I think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
I'm I'm at that whisper lady.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Well, it's just like I'm at point, like I'm done here.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Everyone say like no one's legal, no one's legal on
sol on Lamb'm like yes, we like yes, and also
like what like what are you doing about that? Billy,
Like like like Kilani has been out there, has been
out there online in person doing doing ship Billy like
you yes, yes, Billy billionaires. I think like I think
like sometime last year and was like, you all have money,

(01:00:50):
you should be doing more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
I was like, Billy, like what do you like like
like it's just it's just giving. It's giving like the
wine person, like the white person who says it and
like it's given.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Like the white person was.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Like, let's do a land acknowledgement and I'm like, okay, sure, yes,
but what are you doing for the fucking land people
who are on the land, Like like just like they
give me more than that, Like I just I I
was just like okay, Billy like work diva. Everyone everyone
says that in every zoom call we have at work,
So like, what are you doing like made people not

(01:01:22):
like may people not like not get stolen from the
from from the land as well too, So I was
just like that was kindling me. There's even thoughts about
Shaboozi because people have thoughts on Shabooz speech as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I will say that I did not. I did not
take his speech the way everyone else took his speech.
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I understand what the what the what's the word I'm
looking for?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I understand the way people responded.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I get But when I heard it, I was like,
I don't know why we're making this a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Like he's you know, like I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
I think like I I I understand and feel the
like the point of like you have a black artist
who could always make a point about it, but it
being Black History Month and like right because like it's
it's on the first day of Black History Month and
that if you're making a point about the country is
built that the insula blackfos were also.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Part of that too.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
And part of me is like, I mean, he's speaking
to a moment that's existing right now, which like which
is which is like the constant attack like I mean,
but I don't know, it's it's like like like I
I too understand why like why like like I don't
have an issue with this speech at all, Like I
think his speech was fine and I and I understand
people's friction with this speech as.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Well, I'm like and I'm like, no, what, yes, like
I wish.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
I wish we could hold room for both like like
like like can we say his speech was really nice
and like and also yes, we wish we wish that
maybe he also talked about the Black Springs as well
too within that because of the day like even enslave
thoks for immigrants too and for like like and like
enforced the immigrants.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
But can I also say that some people don't have
the range to talk about and so not trying to
say that he's stupid, but what I'm saying is he
may not have the lexicon to fully be able to
vocalize that. And that's what I think people are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I think it could have I think like I think,
I mean, I really, I really think there's more.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
I think just think this is more about like he
was speaking to, He's just speaking to the direct moment right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Now, the moment for him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I think it's totally appropriate personally.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
I just want to I think that the issue which is,
I think words matter to a lot of people. Okay,
I think in this moment when the attention is being
put on immigrants and immigration and the way that you know,
people are being mistreated in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
It's important to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
But I think sometimes for some people talking about again,
like you said, this current, uh, this this issue that's
at the forefront right now, the way that people talk
about it is by taking away from the contributions of
black people, and so to overlook the forced labor of

(01:04:11):
you know, black enslaved people, I think is what bothered
me because to say, I think again, if he had
said immigrants helped us to build this that's a different sentence.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
But to say immigrants built this country, it's just historically
and accurate. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
And then also you know that there are people who
are like, oh, but you know, like enslaved black people
were not from America. It's like, okay, but those are
also not immigrants, you know, like my ancestors were not immigrants.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
My ancestors were in slave people.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
They were not forced they did not Immigration is a
is not the same as So I just think I
think he should have been specific, and I think that
it was just a because I think I think it
was beautiful when he was talking about his mother being
an immigrant, and then I think he went off the rims.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, and it's also the moment I also tell people
to like, if you've never again, I'm not making an
excuse for shaboozie. I want to make that very clear
that I'm just saying for me in the moment I'm
going and that maybe maybe I'm just too nice and
I'm trying to see the nuance in it all. But
also to like, you're in a very stressful moment, like
I keep like, if you've never had a thousand people

(01:05:18):
looking at you, Like I had to speak to a
room full of ten thousand people, and that was probably
the only time in my life where I've ever been
so nervous, like your skin like everything, like everything in
your head is playing over and over and over. And
so also like I want to give him grace, like
that was probably his first time being in that situation,
and maybe he just didn't choose the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Right words, and so well, you know, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Maybe a hot take, but I do think, like I
do think to the point, right like, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
His experience is an agurant experience.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
And that like and like and that isn't initially a
historically black experience in America like that right like that
is also like I think he also.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Is just grace because like his experience is so is
so different.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Than like I'm, I'm, I'm all three of us who's
who like whose families were enslaved and brought here right right,
and so like I think like I like, yes, I agree,
he should have been more specific and maybe like it
may it maybe maybe could have have like phrased a
bit differently in some ways like they like, and also

(01:06:18):
like I, I can't tell him that he's wrong as well.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
I think I think that for a lot of black folks,
the and and not to speak for them, but I
think that for a lot of people, the issue is
not necessarily what Shaboozi said, because I don't think that
people think that he had Yeah, I don't think that
people will think that Shaboozi was erasing, you know, the

(01:06:42):
the traumatic history of black people and the forced labor
of enflaved people. But I think people are sick of
it not being common sense of the sentence.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Yeah. People are like, how many times we need to explain.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
This well and like like and like, and how often
well a not back person hear that and then take
that and not yeah, like the history of black You
are right, you're.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Right because that sentence that he said of the Grammys
was everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Like I deleted the video once.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
People were really upset and I was like, let me
take the ship down. But like the video, the videos everywhere,
and so there are non black people whoever, yeah, immigrants
built this country, and so there are black.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Like yeah, yeah, like we'll take I don't know how
I feel about that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
I cannot stand that man, But anyway, I don't want to.
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Well, now that we have you already make a playlist
of all the bops and maybe maybe a I hate
this playlist of all the bad speeches you hated, We're
gonna take one last break.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
We'll come back with your first segment, skin the one pages.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
All right, y'all, So we're just gonna jump into our
yes ma'ms and don't know man pans and for those
who are new here, yes smam and no mamma is
where we ultimately give people flowers or we hit them
with them. And so this week, I for my yes
ma'am want to give a shout out to Channing Jerald
Joseph's Ted talk about how black queer culture shaped history.
That Ted talk was so well done, and I have

(01:08:17):
to say, this is someone who has done a Ted Talk.
To be able to put so much information into twelve
minutes is very, very very hard and how succinct in
how beautiful the narrative was that he framed around the things,
you know, talking about the Harlem Renaissance and all of

(01:08:37):
the things connected to that in relation to how that
has shaped a lot of our culture in the ways
that we think about entertainment. It's just beautiful. It was
just so I'm literally going to put the link in
the description box for y'all to watch it. But it
is probably one of the best, second to Kimberly Crenshaw's
Ted Talk. I think it's one of the best TED
talks that I've ever seen in relation to storytelling. And

(01:08:59):
so I just really wanted to say shout out to
them for all of the work that went into to
making that Ted Talk, but also for making something so
tangible and something so so I think important for the
moment now. So I just wanted to give them that
My nomad Pam is kind of it's twofold. It's kind
of talking about my guess, ma'am, but also talking about

(01:09:20):
my nomad. People who think not talking about black history
means it's never it never happened. You can keep denying
that black history is not black history, but that doesn't
mean that black history is not black history. And I
say that to say for you know, all of the
things that this administration is trying to do. You know, oh,
let's take away DEI and let's not talk about Black

(01:09:41):
History Month, and let's change the words.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Let's do that, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Black history is going to still be here even if
you don't want to acknowledge it. And so for those
of you who are out here, and again I'm pretty
sure none of them are over here listening to this show,
but if this clip makes it their way, I want
you to know that, even just me talking about this
and us being on this platform, this is black history.
My book is black history, My ted talk is black history.

(01:10:08):
You're never gonna get away from the idea that we
are we are literally walking dreams of our ancestors. And
you just don't have to stay mad, Sis, You're just
gonna have to be mad. Kevin, what are your guest
ma'ams and your no man PAMs for this week?

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
So my no ma'am I'm gonna go first with so
I can end on a good though.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
It's just all.

Speaker 6 (01:10:29):
The white non Texan people on social media who refuse
to get their noses out of the Texas Senate race
because they can't help but to attack Jasmine Crockett because
how they're black women feel like aiming for a higher office.
Because here's my issue, Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
And as someone who posts the news and who posts.

Speaker 6 (01:10:54):
Congressional hearing clippings all of the time, when I tell you,
I torolled back the other day to some mind that
includes Jasmine Crockett from seven months ago, and every comment is, yes, queen,
we love this Crockett for president. But the moment that
a black woman decides that she wants to strive for
something bigger, y'all must humble her. It was just something

(01:11:16):
I just don't because, again, if Jasmine Crockett decided to
run for reelection in the House and stay her ass
in the House this year, and she decided to stay
exactly where she has been, speaking truth to power the
way that people.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Love, people would not be talking about her.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
But because she decided to run for higher office, people
decided that dance to go after her.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
And this is what I said. For a while.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
What happened to Michelle Obama because every four years, wore like,
Michelle Obama just needs to run for president, she needs
to come save us.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
I'm like, the.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Moment Michelle Obama decides to run for president is the
moment the world hates her. Yeah, because y'all, y'all just
cannot handle it. I can't think of which one of
my friends on thread said this, but someone said, like
they warned about this with Jasmin Crockett. They were like,
they're gonna yes girl her over cliff one day. And
that's exactly. And my yes, ma'am is to Julius Stratton.

(01:12:12):
Julius Stratton is the Lieutenant governor of Illinois and she
is currently running for Senate in Illinois. And she is
just one of the most qualified, bad ass progressive candidates
running for office anywhere in this country right now. And
we have we have billionaires who are trying to buy
that election in Illinois. So if anyone is listening to

(01:12:32):
this and has a friend who knows a friend whose
cousin's practologists dentists lives in Illinois, I just want to
let you know, to let them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Know, to let their friend know to vote for Julius Stratton.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Okay, I know that's right, yes that I'm like, I
don't know who she is, but I will. I will
know who Julius Strattony is. Trust me, we will be
on to google.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
You go on today today, today, we'll both them together
for us, my s ma'am. Is this an artcle that's
out and out magazine which I don't totally read, but
like this article and a video frombout the Drag Queen
that's discussing the magnification of nicumonage And I must say
this is this is syndrymais and that I love, like
I want the detailed accounts of her descent into madness.

(01:13:18):
I'm so sad about it because I'm like, oh why
but like like but detailing we like, but like like
it's going like it's it's going from seven years ago,
her speaking out against Trump, like saying like say saying that,
like like where she played proclaimed herself, like her words
coming here as a legal immigrant five years old. This

(01:13:39):
is horrible what we're doing to these families to now
doing what she's doing is like, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Just a an arc.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
And I appreciate the people who are documenting that arc
and sharing that arcs who can understand a bit more
so how we got here and like you know and
like make sense of the nonsense of this all, so
so yes, something of that. My nom'n Pam is also
to to miss to Missonika as well too, because the
descent just keeps going further and further and further, and

(01:14:09):
I just continually cannot fathom how you build your fan
base of quarian trans folks just to end up tearing
them down, Like, I mean, I know how it happens,
if that happens all the time. So I'm so it's
very shocked, not surprise, very shocked, not surprised, but like damn,
damn girl, like you really just can't help yourself, like

(01:14:30):
you're like you're really just so like so in bed
with the administration about it, and it is it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
It's hard. It's it's hardeting to see.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
I've said this before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I don't know if I said it online or if
I said it on on one of the shows, but
I will say, I want to know how much is
being how much is like lining their pockets, like I
want to like and I'm when I say them, I'm
talking about Nikki, I'm talking about the Kardashians, I'm talking
about who's the baby with the three brain Lil Wayne,

(01:15:02):
I'm thinking about Snoop Dog.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
I'm thinking about all of those.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
People who have who have like who who's danced with
the right, Like, I want to know what the number
was so that way I can And I'm not saying
that the number is is enough for me to go, Okay,
I can see it, because I think it's all trash.
But what I'm just saying is is like, I would
love to know what that number is so that way
I can just go. That's why that that actually makes

(01:15:27):
a lot of sense of why they would because right
now what it's giving me is with the fact that
her mansion was literally about to be taken from her,
baby is telling me that you need to be shopping
down to the Dollar General, right like, Heymark can't even
help you at this part at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Funds like and I'm not trying to make fun of
poor people.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
I'm just saying what I'm saying is, ultimately, baby, at
one point, you were the doll and you said you
had all this money, and now they're about to take
your mansion away from you. Down to the Beverly Hills
or mallible or whatever it is. And now you're in
bed with Trump. So two plus two equals five in
this equation for me, like the math is telling me

(01:16:11):
that you ain't got no money, and it's you know, hey,
you know you got a husband that you're trying to
get out of, keep out of jail. You got a
brother who you're trying to get out of jail.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
You know, do your thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Girl, Prayers down to you and anybody else who's still supports,
Prayers down. But anyway, all that to be said, send
us your bobs feedbacking emails Jesus Christ on a Bike
to Blackfatfempod at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
You can also send us your thoughts via social media's by.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Interacting with us on the instagrams and the threads we're
over We are also on spill. I don't know how
much longer will be on TikTok, but I will tell
you that we are down to spills, So if you
want to interact with us over there, you can. But anyway,
blackfatfem Pod, that is where we are. That is where
we hang out. Kevin, Where can our listeners find you?

(01:17:02):
When your stuff is not going viral?

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
You can find me everywhere. Here's why, Kevin.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
I'm on upscroll, threads, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, I may my
Facebook is now I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Don't go find me over there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
The number, the number one way to support me, honestly
is to go over to YouTube. I interview politicians all
the time, and I do really great interviews that people
don't know exists because I suck I promoting myself.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
I don't like to sell people to just remind them.
I'm like, my YouTube is model tized, It's free. Just
go subscribe, just go watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Yeah, I trust me, honey, I get it. It feels
weird to be like the world's on fire. But also
please go support me and buy my shit like it
can be weird to do that, but yes, please go
and we will. We will include your YouTube link in
our description box. For those of you who are interested
in want to subscribe Queen Jojo Worrek and the Dots
find you, baby, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Just say, can you?

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
They have an additional subscriber here and I'll be sharing
it as well too. Of course, friends, you can find
me at Jehoa Danel's across all socials, Joe Dance dot com.
If not that, you will find me begging people to
stop going to San Juan, Puerto Rico or Hawaii. Let's
take a vacation for that without understanding what the NATA
folks want from you as a benicial tourist, which could

(01:18:22):
be nothing like maybe just don't go, babe, Maybe you
don't maybe the and and and like and the people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Were like, well, I want, like I want to support them.
How about you just send them money?

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
Do you have to go to support them? Could you
just like say, hey, I'm gonna send the donation. I
just want people to think about like like like like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I give you on having your call what money is worth?
But like you guysally don't have to go. You guys
should just work them from far.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
All that to be said, If you want to find
me somewhere trying to be a better person, find me
on socials at doctor John Paul. You can also go
down at w W dot doctor John paul dot com
where you can learn more about my consulting, my book
Catch It Plural, and where I will be in the
coming weeks. I want to shout out and say that
if you are in the LA area, please come down

(01:19:08):
to the Allusion Theater on February twenty First, your girl
will be getting drunk off of Doctor Pepper. Doctor Pepper
bay Bee is good and nae do doo doo Doctor
Pepper bay Bee, It's good and nae do doo doo.
I will be down getting drunk off of Doctor Pepper
for Drunk Black History. I will also be talking about

(01:19:29):
Polly Murray and the impact that they had on Black history,
but also queer Black history. And if you want to
see me on Hulu who Am I Meant to Be?
Or Who I Am Meant to Be? You can go
ahead and watch that episode. It is up and it
is free if you have a Hulu subscription and if
you need mine, so let me know, you know, send
you over a log in and you can go ahead

(01:19:50):
and watch it, you know, and engage with all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
But it's now streaming over there. This has been another show.
Stay black, said Femine Tabula sat and remember what jo ho.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
We may not be a cup of tea girl, but
who cares? Big people are being smashed in the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Go fly for your rights. God damn, I love us
for Elsie You next week.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
Bye, The Black fatfem Podcast is executive produced by Joey
Patt and Doctor John Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
All content related to the show is edited by Chris Rogers.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
This has been a podcast by iHeartMedia and Doctor John
Paul LCI the Black Fat Film Podcasts where all the
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