Inspector Tyra

This week your BFF's unpack the thing we all can't stop talking about - yes, Netflix’s “America’s Next Top Model: Reality Check” documentary. We discuss our thoughts about the doc, Tyra's coat and why Tyra ain't the only one guilty in all of this. Plus, we discuss Grindr's new jab (get it?) at GLP-1's and why we all should have a problem with it. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the award winning
Black Fatfelm podcast, where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.
I'm one of your hosts, John also known as doctor
John Paul, and I'm simply here to say that there
are no sacred cows on today's if you know you know, Yes,

(00:31):
this entire episode, we are going to be talking about
that A and TM documentary because you all have been
dming us asking what are our thoughts on it? And
I said, let's just put it in the show. Let's
let's not even go to threads, let me not go
on let me not go to Facebook, let me not
go to LinkedIn. Let's just let's let's bring it to

(00:51):
the show. So that's exactly what we're doing. And I
think what's gonna be fun about this episode is that
it's you know, maybe if you would have access me,
I would say four or five years ago, it probably
wouldn't have mattered. But I think being that we're in
a different place now and we all kind of have
grown up and we see how terrible the industry can be.
This is going to be a really interesting conversation, so

(01:12):
we wanted to have a conversation with our as ould eyes.
We're going to get into that a little bit more.
The only thing is I'm just mad I don't have
a trench coat for this episode. I really I would
have put it on. Girls, if I had one, I
would have put my trench coat on and I would
just be sitting here looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
You, detective to be the main culprit, girl making girl
making me.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yes, Bather had on her coat, but she was the
one that everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Was trying to come after.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
You here looking at expect her gadget where and where's
and giving you?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
She looked just like Inspector, do do do do do?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Do?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Do do do?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's gonna be the title this episode, Inspector Tyra, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yes, but how are you by lave my gosh, my gosh,
my god? Is your best Sie? Jordy A K Joho
and Mitche. I'm ready to let loose listen Bill today
because I.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Have thoughts more than that, Miss Tyra did it continues
to do, which is.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just like, I'm just like, girl, what girl what?

Speaker 4 (02:20):
We have so much to discuss today, I don't I
don't need to talk about how I am because I'm
just here to talk.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
About it like it's gonna be. Oh, I'm ready for
the conversation. Bage mm hmmm mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, it's it's it's gonna be a moment. And I
will say this, I recognize at the top that there
were a lot of as as funny as it is,
it's not funny, like I think that that's the thing
I've been wanting.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well yeah, well so it's not funny. And like, let
me purface this as well, because I folks, folks need
to know. I am not watched the show growing up.
I'm not Reality TV growing anyways. I watch Future say
drag Race, Traders and something like and like so Andy
and I put you on the train, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
And drag Race. I have like drag Race.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I started watching in season three and like, you know,
like like I think there's a formula there as well
too that's similar to know what appazonth model. But like
I've mean, I like I never loved it for the drama.
I always just loved because I I want to say
queer people in this way, and so with making some model,
it was not that I watched. I was not on stuff,

(03:27):
Like I was just not on stuff like that. And
so it's important to note that I'm coming into this
but I know things in ancillary ways. I know memes,
I know clips, right, I know, like the infamous crash out,
you know, I like, I know of some things. But
somebody that I had not known I watched the documentary, No, my,
I watched my. I watched it with my roommate who

(03:47):
did who did watch I think, let's say at least
ten cycles, so like she knew everything that was happening,
and so like, so, yeah, it's it's bad and it's
not really and watching it, I'm like, oh, people really
like ate this up.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, I'm curious to explore that more today as well too. Yeah,
and that's what we're gonna explore.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
So I just definitely wanted to say that that we're
not coming into this from a comedy angle, Like I mean, obviously,
you know we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna one thing
we're gonna show on this show. There were some parts
that were funny there, and yes, and we're gonna laugh.
But I think for us, there's there's still a seriousness
to it all that we really wanted to get to.
So we want to and I want to say up top,
I want to thank uh some of our listeners who

(04:32):
reached out to me directly and was like, hey, I know,
I know you're gonna cover this, And I was like,
you already know it. I appreciate them and and and
I appreciate them knowing that we were gonna cover it
with care. I think that's the thing. I appreciate our
listeners reaching out to us about wanting to cover this,
about that we're gonna cover it with care. So with
that being said, we're gonna jump into our first segment
as we always do in our still Here segment, this

(04:53):
is where we celebrate the one and only Tisha Campbell
and saying I'm I'm, I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah here.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And today I wanted to kind of bring to the
forefront us a moment for us to talk about maybe
moments in our lives where we have survived and overcome.
And that's really what this, I guess kind of the
theme is in this episode. Right, you know, the Dolls
went on this show and they said had to They

(05:24):
said they had to go through a lot of stuff
and they had to overcome, honey. So I wanted to
say for us, like, you know, before we jump into
that conversation, thinking about our own things that we've gone
through and we've overcome. I wanted it to And then
also again watching the documentary and thinking about it on
a deeper level, I wanted to more kind of zone

(05:45):
in on this idea of the things or the ways
that we were kind of sold to dream only to
realize it was a scam.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So what it to say?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Has there ever has this ever happened to you? Were
you ever so a dream or an idea and you
were like, ooh girl, this is a scam, and and
and and and really asking the question what did you
learn from? I kind of wanted to start first and
then I'll let you go because I know you you're
gonna I know you're gonna drop some gams because you

(06:16):
always do. But I think for me, I would say,
you'll probably see my mic going back and forth. If
y'all are watching, it's probably because it's because I'm putting
notions on my hands because my hands is asking and
it's cold. But I was gonna say, I think for me,
the one thing I always say, and I want to
be clear, I am extremely grateful for all the opportunities

(06:37):
it brought me. But what I will say is Higher
Ed was a dream that was sold to me that
I believe in a lot of ways as a scam.
Now hear me out, you're probably thinking, you know, hold on,
doctor Higgins, hold on where you where are you going
with this girl? Because you're educated and you you work
in Higher Ed, you doing you are a part of

(07:00):
the system that you ultimately are calling this scamp. And
I agree, yes, I am a part of that system,
being a professor who teaches Monday through Thursday. But what
I will say is I do have a point to make.
I think as a team. Growing up with an extremely
poor background, college was over so and I don't know
if this is the case for you, but I felt
like college was oversold to me because it was easy

(07:22):
to do. And when I say oversold, it was like,
go to college, Go to college, go to college. It'll
change your life, It'll add this, it'll add. But no
one talked to me about like, girl, there could be
a potential that by the time you're finished with all
of your degrees, the economy is going to be terrible
and it's gonna be really hard for you to pay
back autumn student loans. If someone would have said that

(07:42):
to me, I probably would have taken a different trajectory.
If someone said, you know, there are other ways to
get out the hood, I probably would have taken a
different trajectory. And I think about this a lot, and
I tell people that degrees and Higher Ed. You know,
the thing to keep in mind is that it's still
a bysin Like every time we talk about higher education,

(08:02):
it is no matter how you how slice it, dice
it cut it, higher education is still a business. And
so that's really what they're doing. Like Higher Ed is
working in tandem with these student loan people to keep
people in debt in the same way that you know,
some of your favorite brands aren't working with other companies
to give you a credit card so you can keep
shopping at their store.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
They no one also tells you about, you know, the
racism you're going to face once you have the degree,
the you know, the fat phobia, the anti you know,
queerness that I experienced while I was working in Higher Ed.
And so I think this is just my my fair
way of saying I wish someone would have poked me
or even prodded me and said, hey, you know, doctor Higgins,

(08:46):
keep in mind that the goalposts will keep moving no
matter how much education you have. I think I would
have went into education with a very different mindset than
the mindset of, Oh, this is going to free me
and it's going to make my life so much better.
And it has. I want to make sure and make
that very clear that it has. But I really think
that this episode made me reflect on my own experiences,

(09:07):
and you know, I really want to do an episode
on that in the coming weeks, where where we talk
about the ways that black and brown people specifically are
bought and sold a dream a Lava America's next top
model of it all.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
But yeah, but what about you, honey, ooh ooh girl.
So so I brot this.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Whole idea down wi, I was gonna say, But then
I call it a got me think about something else.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
So I'm like, where do I go this moment?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
There's so many, so many, so many pathways to walk
down today. You know, I will stick, I'll stick. I'll
stick with it with with this one. So I think
one scam for me. They're a lot scams of the
world one scam for me is brand loyalty, not like
for everything, but people who are like, oh I only
get this brand name close or this accessory or this

(09:58):
vehicle or thing. It to me it's a scam because,
like listen, I can respect the craftsmanship of some upscale things,
but I don't always think that name brands dominantly mean better,
especially it comes to price point in usage, right Like
I can I love a treasure piece from brand that
you love, but I can't fathom being a person that

(10:19):
only gets one brand of something. But my bias may
be that like I'm also informed by experience of never
having just born brand that can get something everything from, right,
like being that you learn how to find pieces from
here and pieces from there to find your style, so
you can't go all in on one thing. Right, that's
a privilege with with with with people for people with

(10:40):
access right like now, I now that said, I have
a example, I have a fabatic partnership right now, right
and sometimes joke like my only way I had Bleodex,
but also because they are one of the only places
that I actually can get things that fit me at
my size too. Same with things like things, same with
things like big, big blood press, but lead bitches are
also expensive, so I can't like I'm not here, I'm

(11:01):
not I hear buying things frivolously and so you know,
like uh you and and I'm always I'm also I'm
always prepared for a brand to stop producing things in
my size because how many times have we seen somebody
say we're making something through five acts and then like
ja kr rushes went two X instead and then my
three four ax, Like.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Let's get JK girl.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You thought you like.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
We don't make your gone out, but like you got
you got call it a crop top or get a
move moo call God damn day, you know, like I
think you know that's what that things that it's not.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
With cars, like I don't care. I don't care. I
don't care if you're.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Whipping a Benzi, a Lambo or a Kia just like
don't just like don't be like don't whip a forward
to me, Like don't whip me Afford or a Chevy
because those things break down. I am as my dad
taught me. But like I don't care if you I
don't care if you if if you like myself like
the like newest Benzi girl it's a vehicle. I mean,
just get the point and point being style and be cute.

(11:58):
But like like I'm not paying that car now. I'm
definitely gonna pay that that that maintenance bill.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like it's just you know, I don't know, like I've
never like.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I been like a brand, a brand person because all
the brands do is cost money, money time.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Girl you if you knew how much I just spin
the tires, girl.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Mon da cast so damn USh, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
That's when they told me how much the tires was
gonna be for my card literally choked.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
See, I'm like that's how I'm like, where about Like
because I because I had gotten new car I got
I got a new car last year, I got married
like a SUV and I am my tires and Michelin
tires now, which is like not like admires me. But
now I'm like if I if I want to keep
them Micheline tires, I gotta keep and I'm like a girl,
I will be, I'll be, I'll find I'll find a

(12:51):
tire place that's in the hood somewhere. Then for some
off brand tires, like I do not need to get me,
don't need to get me no micheline tires or something
like it's wild so that that you know. And nonprofits.
I love nonprofit work. I do work and worth I love.
But girl, scammeroon, I have scammel big girl.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, you know, I think this also begs for a
conversation of us doing something. And I say this on
the air so when I listen back, I can remember
the thoughts that I have while I'm on air. But
this also begs like for us to do a deeper
excuse me, a deeper dive on what are all of
the things that we think are scams and why they're scams?
Because that would actually probably really really fun. So we

(13:38):
can get another scam and bring her back for that episode. Yes, yes, well, yes,
let's go ahead and pool or even invite Lacey Moseley
back the scam goddess.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes, yeah, we can.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Invite the scam god us back and say, hey girl,
we're doing a whole episode on scams and we would
love to have that's a great idea. But yes, with
that being said, now that we have named a lot
of things in life as a scheme that Todd set
up to hit us with the we are going to
take a quick break and come back and get more shots.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Hey, fam, we are black and we are remixing the show.
A lot of this seek to give our lessons what
the ass for. So this week we're gonna go into
our main calory is gonna be our what's poping segment
so we can get into what everyone wants to discuss.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
But now when this comes in to time, this episode
comes out.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
If you have not seen the reality Check Insidermerker's Next
Top Model documentary, maybe you're doing yourself a huge service.
You are getting half a story. So bucal up. There
will be spoilers if your plans on watching them. Wants
to room for you, go ahead fast forward this ship.
But if you but if you have watched it, or
if you're like your girl, spoiler for me, buckle the
fuck up. So what's what the conversation with the general

(14:57):
thoughts on the show or I want I want I
want to I don't want to tell the conversation with
general thoughts on the show, but also take it to
some really big topics as well. So I said so
before I did not watch this show growing up. I
learned about through parodies, memes, occasional clips. I want to
know first, Sean, what was your biggest take away from
the doc anything that maybe made you change your thoughts

(15:19):
on a reality TV especially because I know you love
yourself some reality.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Television see, And that is where me and my sister differs,
So like whereas for you, you don't love reality TV
like that, I that's all I feel like. That's all
I watch is reality TV, Like I mean, yeah, there
are a couple of shows that we have gotten into
that are like scripted and have a couple of series,
but at this point, mostly everything I'm tuning into Monday

(15:45):
through Friday is reality TV. And so you know, starting
here is great because you also know that I've done
reality a tweet I've done twice. Yeah, and so it's
not like a big bragg or anything because the shows
they didn't really they didn't really do or go anywhere.
But I did a really old MTV show that I'm

(16:08):
not gonna name because I don't want you going to
look for It was terrible, but it did make it
to the air. My episode did air, and this was
in like two thousand and five, two thousand and six.
If you knew me then or if you knew me
since then, you know, the show, and then more recently
during the pandemic, I did nel did and so I'm
grateful that I can say that both of my experiences

(16:31):
were great, and I think that I think that's what
made me be so okay with reality because I wasn't
jaded by it. But what I will say is that
I just I think for me, thinking about my own experience,
thinking about the couple of days I was on set,
you know, for doing both of the shows. Because both

(16:52):
shows were were week long filming segments, I had to
be there for a week. I definitely can see the
ways that producers try to and so specifically the first
show that I differ in TV, they this was the
kind of the jump off of reality TV, so they
were looking to create mess and that's what it taught

(17:12):
me was very quickly like, Oh, they don't care about
the people who are on these shows. They're looking for
a story. They're looking for something that's going to create
a buzz that's going to get them viewership right, things
that they can kind of like hang on to. And
this was at the cusp of Or, this was right
at the beginning of Next. So I don't know if

(17:33):
you ever if you knew about MTV's Next or if You,
but that was basically where they would put people on
the bus. Yeah, I see again, I'm a person of
a different of a specific age. They would put male
or female individuals, queer and not on a bus, and
one person would be dating all these people, and if
the person got off the bus that they didn't like,
the person would just say Next and the other people

(17:54):
would come off the bus. And so I did. That's
not the show I did. But what I'm saying is
that was right at the time where Next was doing exactly.
That was the formust. The formula was how do we
create shit? How do we create a mess? And so
as I, you know, I think to stay in line
with what you're asking and what you mentioned at the

(18:16):
top of the show, A lot of folks go on
these shows with the hope that these shows, and specifically
reality TV shows, will launch them or catapult them into
a space of success, right, And a lot of people
come to these shows saying, oh, I'm like, I mean,
think about Danielle Right, I came on the show. I'm poor.
You know, our lights are getting turned off, my mom

(18:37):
is doing this, my mom is doing that. And then
she comes on the show thinking if I win, I
can change my family's life, and that becomes farthest from
the truth. And so I've always said and I will
keep saying it, and I'm probably you know, I'm probably
digging myself even greater grave than what I'm already in.
These execs are snakes. They are not your friends. They

(19:01):
don't have your best interest in mind, and and for you,
they they people fail to see that. And now you know,
here we are, we're here in a place where now
there's you know, hundreds of women who've said these terrible
one or two of them say, I've had the worst experience.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I've had.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
This terrible, awful thing happened to me while I was
doing the show, and no one was in my corner
when this thing happened.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
So what about you?

Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know, I think that there's a huge lesson that
everyone and everything so that everything's going about what makes
good TV? Right, Like that is the soul? That's really
what I got from all this. What is the soul motivation?
Or that is his sole motivation? People hurting themselves for
fame or being made fun of, or finding or judging

(19:46):
this judging and judging each other right, the question is
how does this help the bottom line, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Anything it doesn't, then like there's a door. So then
it's definitely one of the biggest lessons I got from this.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I think also that that and like we're like that's
like that's like the people as the production side the consumers.
I think I've also learned. And it's interesting because Tyre
kept saying, right, like, we give you more. This is
what y'all wanted because you asked for is like not
go someone said, so someone's being that. I was like,

(20:18):
what you won't do is gaslight being a trench coat,
because that was because I'm also like like like like when.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
She said that, I'm like, you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I do agree that people were like consuming it on
masks and we're like addicted to it. Like I get
the obsession, and so I get that it's important to
put things into quote unquote context because in terms of
twenty five years ago being a different time, right, like
we and like like there are the responses that was

(20:50):
a different time back then, and I'm like, okay, sure, sure, sure,
but like is that true because of the day y'all
want an adults y'all like still, like, like, what's y'all
are still making decisions?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
They were really bad, like I really feel for I
really feel for Shandy, Like.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I cannot believe that was filmed I did and aired yep,
I cannot believe that they made Danny and Joanne do
those biomodifications on air force things went to make decisions
on a career that that could not even lift off,
Like I'm I'm pissed for Danny because first of all,
first of all, face card baby so sharp it could

(21:25):
cut glass like.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
That part I saw, I said, her gap is the
furthest of the conver like like furthest like not even
and oh if I saw if I was a contestant.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Now I have my gap clothes and the very next
two cycles further, someone tell me I basically.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
And her gap opened to get Molly up.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Right, girl, I find that I find I change her
gap and then not get any work, and then for
Tower to call her and acknowledge that and still do
not well, Well, she said, she called me and said
I knew that I knew anything about it?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well bye, Like that's what's well? Bye?

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Like right, I knew that I was screwed and you
let Wrige nothing to help me, and so I think, right,
I think also, like a lesson that I got from
this is that like you also just.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like you can't I feel like you can't even like.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You can't trust.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Many people that when you can't trust me people when
it's their show, right, like when like when it's their show,
you really can't trust that they have your best interests
at heart.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Her bottom line, and that's what I've been saying online,
her bottom line is viewership. Her bottom line is getting
you know, that show picked up again for another season.
So people can keep saying Tyler created this thing, like
her bottom line was never and people keep saying, well,
Tyrad helped change the industry, and okay, but also we

(23:05):
have to name that in the process of her quote
unquote changing the industry, how much damage did she do?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Because that's the thing as well too, because.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
I, like I say, it's like a little a little
bit later in my responses, like I believe that Tyra
believes that she set out to change the industry.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I believe that she believed that she did what well.
We also believe that she believes that hot.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Ice cream is good, that different conversation don't even you know,
she's operating off of the you know what, even even
at broken clocks right twice a day, that that that
that's what she operates. Song is why I'm going from
this And I'm like, you know what, girl like, because
I guess my thing is like you, like you do

(24:01):
have to recognize, like I let you, people start shows
out to change something, but the machine of fame and
the machine of like reality television changes and you at
some point, like you, you know, you're faced with decision of
like I either maintain my my morals and my values

(24:22):
and I don't do this, or I go to the
money and I do it, and like just say that,
you know, so that to say, I want to ask you,
in what ways does documentary suggest that the show was
not just of its time but actively abusive and exploitive
from the start?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
H yessh. So I love this question because I also,
you know, I think this is you know, I'm grateful
for one of my managers who always said, think about
think think about the way you're being portrayed the show.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
She would always tell me anytime, you know, if someone
asked me to do something for TV, anyone asked me
to do something, film, whatever, television, whatever. She would always say,
you want to make sure that you think about how
you're how you're going to be portrayed, and how you're
going to be edited. And I think a lot of
these girls came into this show so oblivious to the
idea that these that these execs, Tyra. I would even say,

(25:26):
the judges, because as much as we love miss jay Love,
as much as we love Miss Alexander, as much as
we love the other the really handsome general Nigel, they're
all they were all complicit too. They were all a
part of the problem, right. Not one of them stopped
and said, you know what, this doesn't feel good anymore.
We should we should change direction.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so I say all of that to say that
what a lot of these folks and a lot of
what a lot of people don't know. What if a
lot of people are not gonna love about this conversation,
is a lot of these shows pray on their want
for fame instability, and that is part of the reason why,
like I've been saying, and I'm gonna keep saying, you know,
soon as the Traders announced that they were going to
do an American version, everybody in their Mama was hitting

(26:09):
me up and being like, John, are you gonn apply?
Are you gonna apply? Are you gonna apply? And there
was a part of me that was like, oh, yeah,
this would be fun. And then I immediately stopped and
I said nope. I said I'm not doing this, and
I said I know what this could do, but I
also know what this could do. And I'm thinking to myself, like,
I've worked so hard to establish doctor John Paul as

(26:30):
one way. The thought of going on this television because
I want to quote unquote elevate my brand, it just
it's scary. It's really scary because I like this documentary
and I know things have changed, but I'll be honest,
not a lot in reality TV has changed. Because I
have friends who currently work on reality TV shows, and

(26:50):
they're telling me what's happening on Nadie de Fiance, They're
telling me what's happening on Love at First Sight, They're
telling me at They're telling me all the stuff that's happening,
you know, on the back end of these new shows
that are coming up, And I'm going, nah, I think
I'm good, right, I think I'm good, And I think
that's what people miss a lot of folks come on
these shows and they want fame and it, but that

(27:13):
might be like twenty five percent of it, you know,
of why someone would go on this show, even knowing
what they know about the journey. Any of the dolls
who went on this show were looking for a means
to do something they loved. And the industry, specifically the system,
this machine you named it broke them. It broke them, right,

(27:34):
you know, it's no different than us going to college,
you know. But not enough of the girls were told
get you know, there is a possibility that the show
was going to break you down to the lowest of
your low and I think a lot of the girls
came into the show not knowing that, and I think
that's where the abuse and the exploitation started, right. It
was seeing that these girls were coming in very very

(27:56):
I hate to know, I know it might sound crazy.
I hate to say it. They come in dumb, because
that's really what it is, and not to call them dumb.
I want to be very clear that when I used
to work dumb.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
They come in very green and impressionable and suggestible, right,
because they're there to learn and to grow, So they
come with like sparkles in their eyes and they're told
you and.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, they don't know. They're ignorant. That's I guess that's
the right word to use. Not dumb, but they're very
ignorant to how TV and television and especially TV and
television in the two thousands, because yes, you're you're right,
things have changed a little bit but not much. But
the two thousands was wild, like yeah to in that moment, like,

(28:40):
oh my god, it was terrible, you know, And so
I think that that for me is where my mind
is with that question. But I guess the question I
wanted to ask to you, you know, after you respond,
is you know they did blackface, not once, but twice.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Okay, let me respond what you said first before I
get into that, because who so like.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I I don't.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
To me, it's like, to me, it really is less
about like like I understand, I guess point about like
like like they're in the they're in and like in
the sense of like not of not of not like
an active sense of them ignoring it, like more of
like they didn't they did not know, right, Like they
don't know they did not know right like they are
they're oblivious to what's happening.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
This and there are you know, Ken and Tower whoever.
Was like we told them what they were signing up for.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
But like you know, like if you're telling me, hey girl,
it's all being documented, I'm like, okay, sure, Like I don't,
like I don't I don't really know what that means.
It's like but like like I'm sure there's using using jargon.
I'm sure that they're like using language that also doesn't clarify.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
What's happening and what will be used, right.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
And so it's like it's like, yes, sure you know
that you're recorded everything you do, but you don't know
how it's going to be used or to the point
where that was made, Like like what's the story that
you want to tell with it? Because right like this
is why this I think is also this is why
I show like Love Island I think people love so
much because from understanding right like like like the like

(30:28):
the cameras are just rolling the entire time and what
you're watching is just like in real time. No, I'm
sure there's a little bit of editing a lot of
it because like they're recording train for hours day and
but you're not watching Twin for our day, right, But
like I think people love that show because that, to
some people feels more organic.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
And I also think, yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Know to your point about like not being on Traders,
you know, because I haven't think about applying myself actually,
but I'm by my mind is like you have to
play a very smart game, like not not in the show,
but to be on a show like that, because you
have to come in knowing what character you want to
be in this show and knowing that you will have
likely no, you will. It is very hard to control

(31:08):
your image in a show like that unless you unless
you are like saying and doing the right things right
like like like, for example, I know that I was
on Traders, I likely would I likely would be the
girl who who always talks about race and I and
I will be because I will everybody.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Probably like, are y'all being racist? Are y'all being homophobic?
Are y'all being pat obic? I will what are we
doing today?

Speaker 4 (31:31):
What I will come in and I will make my
own story because because what they won't do is gaslight
me on camera, with me on camera, like no, I will,
I will.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'll give you a story, girl, But you will make
sure you use that story. For sure, you'll say right
what you won't be doing. You will give me a
feeling the bitch, I'll give myself the edit. I will
come in. I'll come myself. Don't even try that to me, like.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
You pointing at the cameras.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I know y'all don't get America if you're watching these
bitches lie to you, because the thing is like, like,
you know, you gotta play a very very tight game
in a show like that, right, and you know it now, right,
So like i'd be curious and then until twenty five, right,
which I won't watch, I'll be curious of how people
come in wielding themselves then, because it's all different. Now, okay,

(32:19):
to your question about the black face girl, girl.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I audibly gasped my roommate.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
My roommate sat with her hands folded, like very difficult
with me, a chile lasts. I'm looking forward and she
was like, Jordan, I don't think you're ready what you're
about to see. And I was like, what do you mean?
And she was like, I have two words, ethnic swap.
And I was like, what do you mean? And she
was like, you'll see And I said, okay, girl, my

(32:51):
flabbers were gasted because how Tirre I say, I thought
I was showing how beautiful blackness is.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
When you were doing black face. Again, I believe that
she believed the time that she does what she was doing,
doing what she was doing to uplift blackness and black women.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
But like, girl, you know the history of black face,
and it's racist, it's racist, Like what like what it
was that it was?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Right?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
It was that cycle just doing and then and then
and then I hear a white girls sister. I'm like, oh,
you like a sister.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
She's like, oh, I know.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
I felt it that led the generation of white women
to say that they have the air black girl outside
them and that Y not stand for that bullshit. And
you have another cycle, she's having a white girl dressed
up as Native American wearing a hat dress.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Girl, what like, what are we doing here? What are
we doing?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Like and and and I'm like you you cannot, girl,
you can off the rail.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You can't reclaim ship.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Besides you can't like you aren't reclaiming ship, besides pushing
for oppression.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And racism, Like what you're doing is just is its
just reclaiming She.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Was traumatizing them and and and I think that's the
thing for me. I really not to take away from
your from from this conversation, but I just there's no
way for me to actively because you know, even Jonathan's like, oh,
I would love to do a rewatch, and I was going, actually,
I really don't want to rewatch this show like.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
This is what it was happening. I watch it at
all because like they were being traumatized, painful. It looks
really hard.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
They were being traumatized. It looks sad.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
It looks like like, you know, seeing who is the
girl that was gaging like that the mama kept touching
her and she and she was and that was.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
The one that they gave them and then they were
all and then they're that.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
That also how you give me the how you give
me the elephant? Okay?

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Also how I'm gonna tell you my mom got shot
and then you gonna give me the the the the.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And the head domestic violence one? Yeah? What like yeah,
because riddled me this. Now. I have limited experience with modeling.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I have then a few little things here and there,
and once has an agency been like show me a
spread of you of like you doing like like show
me is to me like your drug spread, show me
your model violence spread.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
No one asked for that. There's there's no agency.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's like, no would love to have a model who
looks like she got shot, a model who looks like
she's on coke.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Like, no one's saying that way.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
That's also what There was a girl in the show
saying that she was saying that Tyra basically set them
up to fail because a lot of the challenges they
were doing were the photos that they were using, and
there's a whole bunch of stuff. Like I said, we're
not going to be able to cover everything.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
But like, but like Tyra, I just need you to
clarify for me, what what is this form?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Well, because what did you do these things when you
were working, when you were right? What is this that
you worked then? What was this all for?

Speaker 6 (36:12):
You know?

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah's just it's it's it's it's really really upsetting. That
was I was like, I was really watching mouth a
gape for fifteen straight mans watching the Black Test.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I was like, this is wild, you know what I think?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Okay, beyond the internalized racism oppression we saw on the show,
I also record to say that a lot of fun
o Bay we see on television when it's in real life, right,
is a byproduct of shows like America's Next Top Model
looking at you, Janet Dickinson, looking at you, Jane Dickinson.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
And that's also before you Go And I know you
have something else about saying before you go on janis
you're also because I know you're on that new doc
that's coming out in a couple of weeks trying to
paint yourself. Yeah, you're trying to paint your You didn't
have no hand in.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
The way the way the trailer is like like like
it was a tower show. You were calling girls cows
on here, like let's call it, let's let's wake it
up girl, everything else, everything else you are not. You
are not as off girl, but we want Being on
a reality TV show makes people feel embolden to comment
on you, your life and your body. Right, Like that's

(37:17):
that's also kind of like babies, is why, Like I
never want to get never, but like I have a
challenging relationship with the idea of getting too famous because
I don't want to feel emboldened to comment on me,
my life or my body in that way.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
You you don't know me. You don't know me, so like.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
You you don't know me, girl, not like that.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I will I will cut you, like, do not do
that to me?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
What thing I swear every week? That's the one thing
I know about my sisters. When she points, she's definitely
about to make a really good point. Every time I
see that figure come out, like oh, here we go,
because like.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
You don't know who I am, baby girl, you don't.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
You don't pay the bills, you don't pay you don't
pay my therapy cost, you don't even know. You weren't
even my friend. You don't help my mom out, like
you do nothing for me in my life. So that
is like right, So it's like it's like a part.
It's also there was no sharing of through the girls
of like what happens after this show. People might see

(38:24):
you right like second one, of course you don't know,
but when you start realizing by the third cycle what's
happening you start on the girls by the end of this,
people may look at you definitely in a talking for
it right anyways, I want to I can right about
that for hours. I'm wanna ask you, how do you
think raise somebody size and your set on the show
as well too, Like I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's very cre ancial.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
But like, for example, when weight gain is freamtively for
a black woman and it is for deathIn a woman
or a white woe on the show, that's.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
A really good question.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
And like I said, I I wish we had like
a lot of time to like really dive into all
of this, because a lot of this, this show especially
kind of the same thing.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I mean, we did this.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
We did the same thing when we were talking about
the Biggest Loser documentary right when we when we covered
that a couple of months ago. I think it's it's folks.
Folks have to understand that it's so much bigger. Like
as much as it's just a reality TV show, it's
not just a reality TV show. Like people go to
these shows to make and to take in this content

(39:28):
to make informed decisions about how they're going to treat
certain people. And so when you have a show like
America's XTP model that is really perpetuating this notion that
a size six woman is a size twenty five or
a size twenty six, that's that's where the problem starts.
And so the one thing I kept thinking about was

(39:48):
literally at the forefront of my mind the entire time
was how the black women on this show, specifically black
CIS women, and that's not let's let's also let's talk
about it because tyros and warm it up.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
She even talks about we had a trans women on
the show.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
We were the first show to ever do it. That,
like Isis experienced a lot of hatred.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I do not think Isis sits here and it's like,
thank you for my career.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Because no, like like like my remain was out, like
like is Isis was a background girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, well but I don't think you launched your career like.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That, like, and she was harmed a lot. Like I
think that's the thing people need to also understand is
that the the internet was not kind to Isis and
nobody from ANTM stepped up to speak up for her.
So I want to name that, but I definitely just
want to say that the black women were critiqued trder
and it's very evident. It's also not lost on me

(40:46):
that white plus sized women, that a white plus sized
woman won the show, while women like Takara were literally
having the audacity to be on the show. So it's
like the episode I forget the name of the I
think it was yah Ya's episode when they berated her
for wanting to wear or not wanting to wear the hat.

(41:07):
And they didn't really talk about this in the documentary,
but there's a specific episode where yah Yahoo was a contestant.
Basically for those who know, they'll know, they gave her
like a kinta cloth hat and they were telling her
to wear it, and she said no because she said
that she thought that the knt cloth looked unauthentic. She
said that she didn't think that it was authentic to
the look or to her and all this, and they

(41:28):
literally tore her apart. It was if it was not
I will say, if it was not for Andre leon
Tally being on that episode, I'm pretty sure she would
have left the show for the way that they talked
to her and the way that they treated her. Andre
stepped in to speak up for her, and so I
will always give Andre credit because I could see moments

(41:48):
where Andre was like, this is racist, this is internalized homophobia,
this is internalized anti blackness, Like I could see Andre
doing that a lot on the show. But I say
all of that to say, you know, I think what
makes me more upset in all of this conversation is
that Tyra acted like she didn't have a hand in
the nail. You know, if she would have came to
it and said, what do you want to know and yep,

(42:11):
I did it, and what who gonna say anything to
me about it? I I think I think I would say, Okay,
that's the Tyra. I know, you know what I mean,
And I would have said that there was it wouldn't
have been. I still would have watched it, right, I would.
We would still be having this conversation. But I think
for me is that I hate I'm just gonna say
this and I'm gonna shut up. Tyra gives me bully energy.

(42:33):
She gives me bully energy in the sense of, oh,
I didn't know. I didn't think it was gonna be
that bad. I didn't think it was gonna get to
that point.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And it's like, cis, you knew, you knew what you
were doing, you knew what these other execs were doing,
you knew what this, you knew the impact. And the
other thing that really pisses me off, and all of
this is her plan, the whole game of well, I
had it heart too, and that's just the industry. Well,
if you know the industry it's terrible to black women specifically,
then why are you doing this on your show to

(43:05):
re re harm or to pass on the same harm
that you experienced?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Why would you do it?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
So?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like she just it doesn't make any sense to It
doesn't make any sense, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I think it's like I mean, it's a it's kind
of like a it's like a a psycho.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
We see all a lot, right, right, Like the like
the oppress becomes the oppressor because they get into a
position of power or they're the ones that like right,
wrote the door down, but rather than on the door
open or lifting lifting others up, they like make the
other person eat ship because they're like I ate ship
rest of my years. So you so you got to
do it too, And I wish that wasn't the case, right,

(43:44):
like and like I want I want to give the
credit word. It's due of like Tara really changed the
game herself as a as a black model in the
space right, which is why I want to believe that
she believes she set out the show to create this
space right.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
But like, but I'm like, but like, girl, like you
can't believe I won't believe you, girl, but I can't.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
You can't the accountability you and saying I can't speak
on the production side when you're the exective producer. Baby,
you are the production side or like, well, I wasn't
like a story girl, you are the EP.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
You created this show.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
You could tell you could tell Ken don't do that shit, girl,
like right like like like her whole point about about
the the're no sacred cows, and she was like, and
I heard that as that includes you, Tyra, respectfully. Bullfucking shit, girl.
People watch this show because of me, like you know
you can. I believe my with my full chest. She

(44:42):
give leverage her own star power and said they watched
the show because of me. You are not going to
threaten me, and you are not going to threaten my
like like my friends them off of the show as
well too. They're no sacred cows.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Will move, bitch, I am the cow like and that's
what I was seeing. That's exactly what I said. You know,
I said this, and I will go on record saying this.
I said, you know when she said there's no sacred cows.
My thing is this, if you really ride for people,
if you really genuinely care for people, You're going to
stand up for your people, and so like even talking
about even when we got to the part about how

(45:19):
you know what happened with Jay Alexander and what happened
with Miss Jane and what happened with with you know, Nigel.
My thing is this, If iHeart was to come to
me tomorrow and say, John, this needs to change about
your show. We need to get rid of Jordan, you
got to get rid of Chris. We're going to go
take your show in a totally different direction. I would
literally say, we don't even need to finish this conversation

(45:41):
because my show is not going to change. If my
people are not there, I will leave before my people
get let go. Like that's the kind of love I
have for y'all, right, And I kept thinking that if
you genuinely are saying that these people are your friends
and that they're your confidants and you love them and
you have this relationship with two of my heart was
so easy. Why was it so easy for you to

(46:05):
let an exec come in and say.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Because there's no which you weren't in the loop, and
that was a abundantly clear and you're freezing out the
jamn of jam and you will like I was abundantly
clear as well too, like it'shits, I mean and and
I want to be clear right like I'm not like
I'm not trying like this the the the like this
whole conversation, right, isn't a stripe like shot a black

(46:28):
woman at all, Right, but like by like we're opening
up the fact that like this is a black woman
who did who did break barriers in many ways and
then spent a big chunk of her career preventing the
black women from actually getting somewhere, which is really like
really released, which is like really heartbreaking inside and like

(46:49):
you know, like like and like and for the folks,
like I think for like there's the way I follow
who is who is not defending her like defending the
like the time paper we're in and like, listen, if
you were a kid watching this, like that's different. You
were a kid, right, Like, if you're thirteen sixty watching
this ship, I'm not talking about you because like you're

(47:09):
a kid, You're you're you're supposed to just like absorb this, right, Like,
but if you were a grown ass adult watching this
right or being a part of this, like you did
know better, like we have always known better, and it
is because we keep giving like entertainer's artists a pass
for like the time period they're in because like really,

(47:31):
like so many times we've seen someone say, well, I
felt worried about that, but but like there's a different
time back then. That means that you actually did think
it was it wasn't good, but you said it was
okay because of the culture you're in, not because you
want to actually fight that culture and change yourself, because
you were, like, no, what I feel weird, Like I
won't say too much because I'm not trying to like

(47:51):
mess with the bag or I'm not trying to which
I get, like truest me, I get it like to
not Mama messed with the bag or fumble something, but
like mom, like this like you like you like you're
the star, you were the you were the stars, right.
I appreciate you saying like like like Jay Nigel and
misshap were also complicit because I think like like like
I I there's a huge, uh, there's a huge like

(48:15):
move on folks parts like want to protect Misshape, which
I love and I appreciate so much because I like,
like I like like I see how like she really
did care for care for the girls and like yeah
she and but like but she also said things that
were out of the pocket too. I didn't I get
that she tried to make everyone better and she like
right and did Like I get that, but like but

(48:38):
in the day, like she also still was in this
show that he was still on the show for cycles
and cycles and cycles like right, like like uh that
where that this transpired? Like no, really, no one, no
one's absolved from that, like like.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Say with everybody needed everybody, Like I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I agree that Jay was like at this point in time,
I realized this was fit, but also by the thing right,
Like Jay, you didn't realize was fishy until Jay was
just booked as talent.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Jay, when you were creative director, you didn't notice anything
was fishy.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Like I just like I just have like it wasn't
it was until you wasn't into it.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Was to you.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It wasn't fishy that you were until until you in
the back house. But not when you like like like.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Girls, yeah, like you know.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Again, like I'm not saying that they are as responsible
as like some people were, but it's like you all
have like we all have responsibility. If we are in
positions of power like this, we all have responsibilities. And
I wish that I wish everyone may have. I wish
that everyone could have like acknowledged that bit more as
well too personally.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
But I wish, I wish. I think for me that
I will say the last thing I will say on this,
because I've been saying a lot online already about this
and love is blind.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But we'll talk about love is blind later.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I will say I think that I wish for healing
for a lot of the women who are not only
just I'm hoping that these the docs that they're doing,
I hope, the one that is already out, the one
that's coming out, I'm hoping that there was healing for
them to be able to get in front of a
mic and for them to relive and rehash out this stuff,

(50:26):
and for them, I hope it was a part of
their process. But I also hope for success. I hope
for the girls who were shut out. I think about
Ebony specifically, a black, you know, lesbian woman who ultimately
was so open about her life and to feel like
the industry turned their back on her for that. I'm
wishing success to her. I wish nothing but healing vibes

(50:49):
to the women who are And I wouldn't even say
to women, to anybody who has done reality TV and
has had had something terrible done to them, I really
hope that you know that you didn't deserve it. And
to the people who are saying, oh, the girls have
to know what that's their fault. They walked into blah

(51:09):
blah blah, fuck you, like like, I will never get
behind that rhetoric. I will never get behind the rhetoric
that anybody deserves to be harmed in whatever faceted, whether
it be mentally, whether it be physically, whether it be emotionally,
none of that like like it. It shouldn't happen period.
And if you if you go on, if you decide

(51:32):
to go onto a television show, and you start to
feel like you're being abused, you are being abused, and
it is in your best interest to say this does
not feel good to me anymore, I think it's time
for me to go. So yeah, that's kind of like.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
My last you know, just this moment has made me
think about like a door de Lano in Drag Race
and All Stars when right, because like because like like
like I hear saying this, I'm like, okay, but you know,
I I know we I know you and I have
like we have both definitely been like why the Girl's
guide about what's happened on Drivers, like they know they

(52:07):
know what to expect, and I think and I think
I think in that show, like I really think you do,
like you recent enough. Now we're like if you go
on at this point right like right, like like everyone
who goes on the show now knows what to expect, right,
But I think, way it's a good point, like Adore
with someone who was like, I don't think I belong here,
like I know I'm not built with this, right When
Deyla sent herself home, she was like, I know I

(52:29):
don't belong here because.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
This is right, I'm going to go home, right, like
maybe I sent herself home.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I don't need to do this anymore.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
And I think I think like like I you know,
like yes, like the right like like now like now
you now you do know what happens on the show
like this, and you also know that like you may
be faced a point where you're protecting yourself.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Is more important to say, yeah, I don't I don't.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
I don't need to be here or just anymore, right,
And it's maybe you think like as a consumer, right,
Like I'm like like, now it's consumer special wation, just
this documentary because I know that I know there's gonna
be a drag race at some point in time, right
And oh gosh, yes, all right, so I'm like, okay,
so I want to have the wherewithal now to like
judge less when I watched the show, You're like, know what, girl,
like like you are like, yeah, you arguing that you

(53:17):
are arguting the the the producers are really messing you over,
you know.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Okay, we all we you know, Pearl is gonna have
a lot to say. Sorry, you know, Pearl is going
to have a lot and Vixen and Vixen vix.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Can get her to come on because I know she's
over it, you know.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Okay, y'all, we can we can discuss this all damn all,
damn year, but we all the more than we want
to talk about Besides this, we wanna take a quick
break to work on our smise and eat some hot
ice cream and move back in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You know, all right, y'all, So we're gonna go ahead
and jump and we're going to get into the last
part of the show that y'all absolutely adore yes ma'am
and no man pam this week, or I should say,
for those who are new to the show or for

(54:09):
those who are not who are kind of filling things
out around at the Black Fat Fam Show, our yes
ma'am and are no man pam. Our yes ma'am are
the things that we love when we celebrate and that
we applaud. Our no ma'm are the things that we
oftentimes want to throw a brick at. And so with
that being said, this week, I simply wanted to say
my yes ma'am. We didn't in years past, So if

(54:30):
you want to go back into episodes that we've done
in February's in years past, we've done entire Black History
themed months, We've done episodes that celebrate Black history, and
this year, for whatever reason, we didn't do it. So
I definitely wanted to say, as this being the last
episode of February, I definitely wanted to say yes ma'am
to Black people who show up and continue to shot

(54:52):
to show out even when the world tries to take
it away from us. And so when I'm talking about
our people specifically, even people who are part of these
shows that you know, had really terrible things happened to them,
and they still manage to find success or they've managed
they've managed to go on into their lives and do
things that were bigger and and and and things that
helped fulfill them. So I just definitely wanted to give

(55:13):
all of us, all of us, every nigga is a style,
Like I want to give so much love to us
for what we what we've been through, what we continue
to go through, what we are currently going through, and
what we may end up going through again. But I
definitely just you know, there's just some there's so much joy.

(55:34):
And I say this all the time, and no way,
shape or form do I ever want to be a
different race in any other lifetime. Like if every if,
if I get a chance to do this life all
over again, I beg, God, please make me black, Please
make me fat, Please give me a little bit of
a tinge of queer. They're just there's just something so

(55:57):
magnetic and so beautiful about it. And so I just
wanted to say shout out to us during Black History
a month and knowing that we're gonna make it a
Black History Year always by no man, Pam very quick.
I definitely just wanted to say in the vein of
Tyra Banks, black people who don't have other black people's back.
And what I mean by that is when you know

(56:19):
something is not right, when you know something is an injustice,
when you know that something is going to cause harm
or is going to retraumatize another Black person, and you
just you're complicit and you just go along with it,
like I'll never understand it. I'll never understand it. And
the reason why I put this, the reason why I
put this is a very specific thing, and I know

(56:41):
that I'm going along here, but I this weekend. So
this past weekend, I should say, me and my husband
went to Disneyland and very long story short, there was
a black family who I guess one of the people
who was signing their their folks in. They were African
American fans. One of the people that was being signed

(57:02):
in or was doing the sign in, was in a wheelchair,
and there were people in line that started yelling at
other people in the family that they were cutting and
you could you could clearly see the black people. The
folks in the in the family who were African American.
It was white people who were yelling at them and
was like literally saying all these really nasty things to them.

(57:24):
And I could see, I could turn around, I could
just see mounds of black people who were just standing
there and just like staring and didn't say nothing, didn't
do anything. So I walk my fat ass over and
I said, y'all can get in front of me. I said,
just get in front of us, Get in front of us.
It's cool, like fuck them, like, don't don't pay attention
to them, just just go right. And I say that
not necessarily to say, look at me, look what I did,

(57:45):
because I'm a good black.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I just my thing is, I'll never understand in my
lifetime why like when I do things, race sometimes doesn't
come into play. But I'm gonna tell you right now,
if I see some shit happening to somebody black, I'm
gonna jump in. That's just who I am. I'm gonna
jump in, I'm gonna say something, I'm gonna do whatever
I can to protect my people. And I just I'll

(58:10):
never understand it. I'll never understand the idea of being
okay with seeing another black person harmed. And so for
those who are listening and are going, you know, I
just I don't know. I don't I don't know where.
I don't know where I was going with that. It's
just it, really, But like after seeing the documentary, after
seeing what happened in that moment, I'll just I'll never

(58:31):
comprehend why some of us are so okay with passing
on harm to other people when we know they've been
through the same thing we've been through. I'll never get it.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
So no skinfolk, kim fo girl, I've seen some time again.
Never Pam is so well.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Watching the documentary reminded of the network of UPN, which
I am, you pick a negro, I sh.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
It's problems. But UPN really was a home of so
many black shows to that pig Nigga, Yes, girlfriends, this
show my favorite cartoons and show x Men and show
Digimon like that.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Like that network was known for being the one that
had diverse, diverse quote unquote, and so I'm like, listen, now,
was that gad When I found the president of Time
was a white woman, I said, oh, miss dog, that's
the president.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I would have never thought that, but I will give
them this. They showed some really good programs I used
to watch. I watched it every morning and I watched
every school UPN was my network.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I really was here for it. So go off you PM.
It's maampam now I know, mam pam. Okay.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I had told y'all so I was going to say
this for a rant on my own personal Instagram, but
I said, let me save this for a year because
this makes sense, and I will be sharing this as
a real my Instagram as well too, because I have thoughts.
The topic is would Work by Grinder, So I bekay
if you all have seen but Grinder launched there would
Work Health Vertical in twenty twenty five, which focused on

(01:00:20):
n accessible and just screech every times function medication right
to with the aim of improving the sex slides of
it choosers, so helping folks who having folks who may
have struggle getting up right work whatever. I don't have
no thoughts about that. You know it makes sense for
the brand. You're saying, We're here in an app to

(01:00:40):
encourage people to create connections and this is the way to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Now they decided to add.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Goop once to their portfolio with the im of boosting
confidence and the users through weight loss. And I think
it's mad inappropriate. I don't think it even makes remote
sense for grind, an app that has a long standing
history of at best allowing flatphobia, and that worth supporting
it to expand its market into weight loss drugs not

(01:01:11):
from a care respective. This is already horrible because compounded
weight drug loss drugs are not ready, but are not
ready by the FDA. Compounded means that these are drugs
that are that are other cut differently different dosage, right,
may have different greens taket taking out of them now,
they're may be licensed clinicians, so likely if the approved
products are part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
But like it's not FDA approved.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Now there's a question of like mostly the FDA really
about these days considering our administration.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Right, and that's but there's a chance of inaccurate doses,
changing drug forms or contamination of the drug and so
like through a health care respective, right, and this is
like already after the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Rise of ROW or Hymn's and hers for weight loss
right like and like that not that I support it,
but like I understand both of those brands that right,
they have, they have strived to go into health in
some way, not the hell I think they should be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
But whatever, but Grinder, I was like, you have.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
No fucking right, you have no fucking place to sit
here and say let's start doing GP ones and also
charging one hundred plus bucks for a month like two
like what, like what is the message you're giving your users?
Like I don't like from from perspective, why like just why,
I don't understand what your reasoning is for saying let's

(01:02:30):
have GP ones on grinder. Grinder, you don't need to
do that, you will whoever is like writing this place
you keep doing some ship that makes no sense and
like sure yeah, and like sure a a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Option right is to like it's like like not not
use the product, show ship, right, but right to not
use the app?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
And I hear understood her on the platform, not use
a platform, but for people who do use a platform,
like people on are on there to connect and like
like we're trying to create a world in which we
don't have folks who are discremining against people based on bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And now you're trying now and then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
And now like with this right this, this this will
only empower people more to be like, hey, you're a
fat bitch. You should go on woodwork by Grinder for
their gl ones. Yeah, we should also at your health
at risk. Like there's just so much fucking wrong with it.
Like I saw this and I was like, you are
literally insane, like you are. This is absurd, this is

(01:03:31):
this is a pocket, this is this is like this
is just not good in general. So Grinder, I really
hope I can.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I pray you hear this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I pray you understand that this is problematic. Like to
the highest extent, you do not need to enter yourself
into healthcare in this way. You do not need to
like profit off of First of all, you probably used
enough by charging hell of money for your for your
extra ship, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Like you're you already charge when you're you people are
pay for this ship, not me. I'm not paying for
this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I will never pay for like like like even more
so for this, like you do not you do not
need to embark on the shary girl turn around usco.
Don't cut turn dollars, please don't ten dollars, Like just
stop from this foolishness. It looks, it looks really about
it makes you release had to see it. My heart
hurts for anyone who like sees it and it's like,
oh maybe I'll do it. Like girl, Grinder's not your

(01:04:22):
health kip propeer please please love yourself enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Not Grinder's girl.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
What are you all right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
The way you need to be going to adapted to
a doctor?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Girl? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Or like or like call well the other ones and
more more like actual care this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
And I keep saying it like you're there's so much,
Oh God, And I know I know that we were
saying we were gonna go shorter this week, but I'm like,
here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We got to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I keep telling people there is so many risk or
things that come along with taking a GLP one that
it's so it's scary to me to think that you're
just going on this random site. You're talking to a
random doctor, and you're saying, give me this thing that
could potentially make me skinny, and we're not talking about

(01:05:11):
the side effects. We're not talking about what happens when
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Gonna just be real.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
When I got on my gop one and like I say,
like I said, I didn't get on it because I
was there for weight loss. I got on it, and
I'm gonna keep saying I got on it because I
had diabetes and they were trying to get my diabetes
under control. I was dealing with diarrhea, I was dealing
with appetite. I was dealing with sleep issues because my
stomach was hurting so bad. I've literally just got to

(01:05:37):
a place. I've been on ozembic for a year, and yes,
I've lost a little bit of weight, and I will
say my life has changed in a little bit of ways. Yeah,
i can ride my bike a little bit longer. Yeah
I'm not as tired. Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,
everybody's log let's lot ozempic as this thing. That's okay,
we can eh. But what I'm what I'm also going
to tell you is it took me a year to

(01:05:59):
finally get to a place where I feel like I
have a normal appletite, a normal appetite. I'm just starting
to feel like I can eat a meal and not
feel sick, or that I can eat a decent sized,
portioned meal and not want to throw up. Like those
are the things nobody is talking about. And what I
will say with that, the reason why I share. That
is not to say, look at me, I'm doing those

(01:06:20):
zimpics the right way. No, I'm saying that because I
had a doctor who I literally was chatting with every
single week about the side effects that I was dealing with,
a doctor I trust who was helping me work through
putting me on medicine for the nausea that I was
dealing with, upping and dropping my dosage, to make sure

(01:06:40):
making sure that every month I was taking a blood
I was doing blood work to make sure that my
you know, that my A one C was under control,
and making sure my blood pressure wasn't out a Why
like no one's thinking about this. Everyone is so help
and on the oh, I just want to lose weight
that I'm going, Okay, y'all, you're gonna kill yourself and
you're not angry And I hate saying, do you, but

(01:07:00):
I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Will you feel confident if you're shooting yourself? We feel
confident if you got grams you won't you won't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
So like it's just it just feels like we're in
this place where vanity is such a thing and I'm
just going, baby, and this is and like I said,
I'm gonna keep saying it you lose the weight, and
then what and then what you lose the weight and then.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
What well, and let's let's also right to this point
about this is why you would it would be best
to connect with the hearth provider because most folks who
get off this medication then gain that weight back. Which like, listen,
I'm I'm off for body autonomy? Do you want to
do with your body?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
But if you're providing care, right, you then have to
continue and consistent care, who out the duration the duration
of that person's care And like m grinder won't do
that respectfully, No, like you have to so like you
need to, like when you meet your goal weight and
you get off of it, what will happen then?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
And it's just not it's just people's talking. It's not anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
But yeah, is it not clocking to you that we're
standing on business when we say that? And like I said,
you know, if if you are listening to this show
and you are entertaining the idea of being on a
goop one and you want to have a real conversation
with me about my experience and the things the yes
and the nose or the yespams and the nomads of
a gop one. I'm happy to have that conversation with you.

(01:08:26):
But what I'm saying is people keep lauding this this
drug as this miracle thing that's supposed to change your life,
and it's supposed to make you so happy. And I'm going, baby,
a lot of what I've had to deal with just
to keep my sugar in control. If if if I
could just jump off of it, I would, I really would.

(01:08:47):
If my doctors said, oh, you don't have to use
it anymore, I would be so happy to get off
of it because so much of my life has changed
because of it, and it's not changed in a good way.
And I just I really want people to like up
and think, baby, like, think about what you're putting in
your bodies. I also want to ask the question. I'm
gonna say this and then week we gotta move on.
I think it's funny, and I'm gonna keep saying I

(01:09:09):
think it's very funny how people were so anti vaccines,
but they every time get a chance to do a
GLP one, they run for it. They gonna jab themselves
anytime they get ben saying this, dude, like we we
we've been find out alarmed. Like, now, let's be real girl, that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
That caused you to look to quote unquote look thin.
But god, babe, someone says particulre of real health making
a vaccine. You're like, yeah, no, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Did you get your flu shot?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Did you know?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
All right, okay girl, all right. Anyway, please send us
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Pot at gmail dot com. We love hearing from you.
Thank you to one of our listeners who sent us
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(01:10:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
If you love what I'm saying, you can find me
at Joho Down's Cross all Socials my website, John Doownce
dot com. If you hate what I'm saying, you can
find me. You can you can pay me to shut up,
and I will send you my have them information.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
If not there you will find me slapping hose who's
trying the GLP one from grinding, because I just think
that's wild. And I will stop a bit yet say
you can't do it. Don't do it, girl, Go Go
go to your doctor, go to your clinic, Go to
you near CenTra clinic. Like go just go somewhere else
where there's a medical professional, like an actual one that
works there. Not like not not some backwoods clinician that

(01:10:51):
you find on an app.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Let's just not. That's just not the one, girl, not
the one. Not backwoods.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Oh, Mike is giving back swamp, honey, it's given the
onetor refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Let's go find you velvet is where you live. It's
where you live, girl.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Let's go find you a home.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Well as for me and my household over here on
socials at doctor John Paul, where I talk a lot
of shit, Honey, I've been talking a lot of shit
and running it up online. You can visit me at
WWS at doctor John Paul dot com, where you can
learn more about my consulting, my books, catch it, and
where I will be each and every week. I'm I'm

(01:11:40):
these next couple of weeks, I'm supposed to be all
over the place, and so if you want to catch
me somewhere, just check out my website. It'll be there. Otherwise,
you can catch me on Hulu talking about the amazing
Black Fatfem podcast, the award winning Black Fem podcast, on
the show who I Am Meant to Be, where I'm
talking very openly and honestly about being queer and helping
to create a platform with a show such as this.

(01:12:03):
This has been another show. Stay Black Fat, Famine Fabulous
and rub in a boy, What Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
We may not be a cup of tea girl, but
add some lemon to your water and get into that
skin care.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Baby.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
You need a good little clans anyways, specially if you're
gonna try that gop one for your life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Don't do it. But if you're gonna do it, it's
a little warning your body to boom.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah, you got to be you got to be hydrated.
I'll also say this before we close that yes it
is cold, but just because it's cold doesn't mean that
you don't need a littleminium in your deodorant. I will lit,
I will see you all next week. I love us
for real.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You're so soon, Kimseled.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Bye, see next week.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
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