The Joke That Saved My Life (Featuring Guy Branum)

This week Jon and Joho sit down with writer and comedian Guy Branum for a powerful and hilarious conversation about the role of comedy as survival for queer folks. From turning trauma into punchlines to reclaiming joy in spaces not built for us, this episode dives deep into how humor becomes both a defense mechanism and a transformative tool. Guy opens up about his journey toward self-acceptance, using wit to challenge cis-normativity and anti-queer culture, and writing scenes that bring fat and queer representation to the forefront and a reminder that sometimes surviving means being funny — even when it hurts.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the award winning
Blackfeftfilm Podcast, where all intersections of identity are celebrated. I
am one of your host John's and known as doctor
John Paul here running on fumes and hope. My god.
This has been a year and we are barely in April.

(00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
You know it used to be Panera bread, but I
think they disabling Jama Juice is now Jana just n's
just Panero.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
So so they're just going by their Beyonce Okay, I
got it. It's not Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, they're on the share Beyonce tip.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
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(01:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Girl, I am, I'm here. It's ever it's your girl,
joan a k joho aka in a suit of fruity.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
If you're paying my bills, baby, iver here tell you
never tell all the karaoke girls.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
If you gonna sing to us, baby, well you're better good.
Give us performance, darling. You're on stage, witch, make it
your stage.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Like I'm going to kaoke karaoke knights and see people
just like just like perform like.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sub man.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yes, sing a song?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Oh yeah yeah what And I'm like, but move her
on the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You give me a performer. This is your moment.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, that's what are we here for.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm here to watch you give me amateur hour, bitch,
give me amateur for hour.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I need you to give me anime. I need you
to give me Tina Turner anime. Yes, big ways keep
on Janet. Yes, yeah, like moment.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm if I'm performing more than you are and I'm
just a spectator baby, like easy, don't put me on
stage background vocals.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'll give you a background performance.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Okay, that reminds me were did you ever watch my
wife and kids? There is a I'll say this and
they we're gonna entro in our amazing guest this week,
there's an episode where I think her name was Jay,
where she's performing and she's pretending to be the the
Supremes and the girl in behind her is giving too

(02:53):
much and she basically pushes them out the way. So
she that's what it's giving. It's giving you being up
on a stage being d Ross and Beyonce to the
Destiny's Child on it all. But yes, you are a star.
You are a star, rub But anyway, all that to
be said. Our guest this week is a multi talented
comedian actor writer in me Award when I just want

(03:16):
to know how it feels to touch him, Emmy one day,
one day, I'll get there. But uh, their work on
hacks is literally what put them on. I mean, they've
been on the map, honey, but ultimately the hack was
just just a check mark to them being on the map.
They are going to be and stop that train alongside

(03:37):
the ru Paul mother of all mothers, Hey, and with
some of our favorite queens. I will say, GGB, isn't it?
And I'm very very pleased about that because but yes, Latrese,
who wrote opening to my book, I will say this,
I have been blessed to be in the room with
him when he is doing comedy, And honestly, I truly
believe that some of the most funniest and some of

(03:58):
the most just people who genuinely make me go like
I don't go too often, but I have been in
the room and I have had that happen when this
person was on the mic, one of the smartest people
and one of the most thought provoking people to follow
on social If you're not following them, you're doing yourself
a huge just like a huge disservice. I am literally
not gonna hold you. If you told me years ago

(04:20):
that this person would be on my show, I literally
would have laughed in your face. But with that being said,
guy Brandam is here today and I am literally trying
my best to not fanger. How are you?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
You're so sweet? What am I supposed to do? Now
I feel like I have to leave. I feel like
what what's left? That intro is far too generous.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
But if you, if we can be injuring you just leave,
that would be honest, you'd be the most gaggy, is
how the show that's far?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm just thank you so much by.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
It you got I mean telling that to the girls
that karaoke building. Yes, started sound somewhere and then take
us somewhere. John, I love I love following you so
much on social media, my god, Like I always love
like what you're what you're bringing into my world. I mean,
that's that's the best part of it, is having somebody
else's uh, mind and spirit just randomly shared with you

(05:15):
when they decide.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I love that today. The one the one tweet
that seems to be getting my phone or not tweet,
I say tweet like literally that's how old Amy, but
post my threads my post uh is h I said,
how does it feel for people who own an electric car?
Uh to know that you basically made the best decision
that you could have ever done? And I said, for

(05:37):
Tesla owners, you can choke. And that seems to be
the one that everyone is kind of replying to and
and and jumping on. But anyway, all that to be said.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, I do, I do. Wonder where do you where
do you come up with it?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Like?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Where do you like? Where? Where? Where's a factory inside
you that does it?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Because like you having some really funny ass ship that lately,
I know it's funny About'm like John, I didn't say
this to me, but they just put it on there.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's the attraction attraction because I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That's literally when I cant telling people, I am a
fucking nut. And literally sometimes I just be laid a
bed and something will pop up and I'm like, let
me go ahead, put this on threads.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, it's got a simmer inside. It's got a simmer inside.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Literally, I let her cook, Let her cook, let her cook. Yes,
god nessa, I live.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, We're gonta give about shout that we do every
week and give her files for a girl, our good girl,
Miss Susha Campbell, and are still here segment, and we'll
let the world know that even though they try to
kill your famous, your favorite, your.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Favorite famous bitch, we are still thriving.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
If it means if if it means I have to
kick up our supply of effect storm like the pro and.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well beatrim baby. Okay, well we are well beached in
badges in this house. Amen.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
This week, I want to ask, since you just finished
quarter one of twenty twenty six, I want to be
a little silly with y'all.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
How would you file your CUBE report to HR? What
would you say?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Then?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Your best corporate speak?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I'll go first, will pass it to God and
then to use stress has to use stressed.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'll leave by example. Okay, some adjusting. Yes, Hi Lisa
from HR.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yes, this is show circling black, circling black, certainly well,
certainly in black for sure fact to report that my
metrics for Q one are in And yes, yes I
am down sixty percent in my sleep hours. But I
must steady growth ascension towards Bernow because you know we
love Bernow.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
In this house. I've seen my goals of nights out
for Q one.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I have plan to go out twice a week, but
I have average about four times a weekless far. And yes,
I know I am a high achiever. Achieving high is
my goal and my dream. My colleague John has Collie.
John has also harassed me fifty eleven times on my whereabouts,
but I don't wish to pursue action against them because
we love koind of a building in this house, baby,
and because your experient's important. I will let you know
that my work life balance is in fact in Shamble's butt.

(07:52):
My Q two goal remains the same, to reclaim my time, Lisa,
So stay tuned for Q two. Give you report when
it comes. But it comes to me, it comes to you.
Thank you so much, guy, We'll pass it to you, now,
what would you tell Lisa?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Look, Lisa, we have met productivity goals for Q one. Okay,
things were up and down along the way. We're numbers
not great in February one, but we were there, and
I really feel like we have gotten into a rhythm.
You know, a lot of those problems that were happening
inter personally within our division, we've we've hammered out, and

(08:30):
we're we're moving forward with enthusiasm.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes, perfect, it's a saint smooth, Yes, yes, John gives
to us.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah. So hi, Lisa, Oh my god, it's so good
to see you. You know, I know we only ever
see each other when we pass the hallways, like we
pass each other it's not really good to see you
and be in your office. But so I want to
slide you this piece of paper. This is a resignation form.
I just definitely want to say this is my two
week notice. Yeah, I just don't I don't want to

(08:59):
do this anymore. I just I really don't want to this,
this administration, the toxicness of this. There's just a lot
of things that need to happen in this organization that
people are not taking seriously enough for me and them. Yeah,
this is just I think it's really time for me
to go. I think it's really time for me to leave. That.
That would that is what I would what happened.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I'm going It's chocolate. I'm going home.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think it's definitely giving. You know, my I've done
as much as I can do here. I feel like
I've reached my potential. Yes, it's been great. I've learned
a lot. Would be very happy to do a exit
exit interview with you and the team. But yeah, it's
I think it's I'm ready to fold up, ready to

(09:48):
ready to go home. I'm ready to go home. Yeah,
thank you, Lisa.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So Lisa's received peaks and valleys.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
She is taking stock and data points for UH challenges,
challenges and opportunities for growth and she will.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Review well and she's got to get ready for these
then you.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
The q TO Retreat will.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Be about addressing concerns of prior of of prior a
staff and helping people realize their potential for future engagements.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
This is really just fantastic and.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Fam Now that now that you have time to go
through your emails and see see which which email you
have to be per to in your in your next
one to somebody else with the.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Boss circle back, I take our first quick break of
the day. You come back with our faith in just
a second.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
All right, y'all, So we are back, and this week
for our Category A segment, we are talking about the
moments which when people hit you with oh my god,
you're so funny, oh my god, you always just you're
just you're such a really you're such a key. That's
kind of the new thing that a lot of people
have been saying you're such a key, even though they
have no idea with.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Clock it clock it clocked.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, and so and how many of us, specifically the
three of us, how oftentimes we kind of laugh and
we go, ooh, babe, it's the trauma. And so with
that being said, I wanted to kind of get into
the mind of guy and really kind of anchor our
conversation and this idea of how comedy often is a
means of survival for many marginalized people, like we oftentimes

(11:26):
have to what my mom used to say, you have
to crack with laugh to keep from crying. And so
I wanted to ask with, you know, and really focus
on this notion of how folks like yourself, guys have
made a career out of making other people laugh and
walking folks through kind of the way you see the
world and how you move and ultimately what kind of
just makes you, in my opinion, one of the funniest

(11:48):
people that that's out here. So I wanted to start
by asking and I'm hoping that this question doesn't trigger you.
I was actually when I was writing it, I was like, Oh,
hope it doesn't trigger them. But I was going to say,
when did you first realize that comedy wasn't just something
you did, but something that was actually helping you to
stay alive.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Oh, that's a really interesting question, But like I think
that that was always like.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Part of it. I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I like, I think it was a long slow realization
because I think anytime you are a person that the
world wasn't built for it, Like there's inherent humor. Yeah,
there's an inherent humor in just sort of the disjuncture
or the distance, just sort of like seeing the world
for the ridiculousness that it is. And I think that
that was something that I always kind of knew, but

(12:36):
I think it really started to give me like strength
and energy, like more when I was in college and
in my own space and able to sort of like
trust my own voice.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
And being around people who appreciated my voice.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Like you know, some comics start out and they were
like I was the class clown, and it's like, no,
no one in my like elementary school thought the things
I was saying were fine. I just thought I was funny,
and you know, like you really like, you know, you
have to you have to have the right audience before

(13:10):
you can really have you know, realize that there's somebody
else who sees the world the way you do, or
who wants to see the way that the world the
way that you do. Yeah, like maybe doesn't see it
that way. Themselves, but they want to go on the journey.
And I think one of the best things about being
a queer person is like you're you're used to the
story not being for you, and so you get into
a mindset of just loving a good story, of just

(13:31):
loving whoever's story. It is understanding that that can also
be for me.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I love that answer.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Oh okay, so I I love this and what your
answer kind of gets into a little bit of the
next question. I'm going to shift the question a little
bit because I was asking you in a perfect quote
from your memoir My Life as a Goddess, is you
say the little patients are a lot of humor, se
acceptance as possible, and I journey was not easy, as
you just shared a little bit, And so I'm.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You're just to ask, like, how do you think the
comedy can help?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I was asked how to helps she brust her any
about I think how can I help others process their
identity as well too, and how could like propel them
into thriving in the spaces.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That were before?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Okay, Like, I think thriving is a really good word
because the thing is is like it's not perfect. I mean,
humor is about like accepting that things aren't perfect. And
I think that like a lot of weights can be
put on ideas like self acceptance right now, where it
really is the job of somebody to just sort of
like think their way out of a world that doesn't
have space for them to think their way out of

(14:37):
a world that like you know, it's a lot of
sometimes trying to kill them or whatever. But I think
thriving is just sort of like having access to and
control of your energy as much as possible and not
letting these other people's shit get in the way. And
I think that like humor lets you decide how big

(14:58):
or small things are going to be. And like we
so frequently talk think about humor in the ways like
that it's valuable that it can make things small, like
when people are being assholes or whatever, but it also
lets you, you know, relish the things that matter to
you and understand that they are important, and like I
think that those things can really fuel you and help
you to thrive. As you said, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I love how intentional you are about kind of this
reframe and this is, like I said, this is one
of my favorite things about following you is that you
often do this to people. I saw you do it
today in real time. You know, so by the time
you all see this, it'll be a week later. But
today someone had posted something and I saw you go
in and say, actually, I think you should reframe it
this way.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
And I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was like, that is why I love following guy,
because every time someone will post something, you'll say, actually,
we should think of it this way, and I'm like, oh,
you know, it makes your girls think. So I think
one of the things that I also really enjoy about
following you is how you call cis gender people to
the carpet about a lot of their trash ideology. And
I think from what I remember, the post that you

(16:02):
did today was kind of the same way. There was
this ideology a person had put out and you were like,
maybe you should go back and rethink that. And I
think I love that you do it in a funny
way where you're not attacking people, but you do it
in like a really a real in real time way. Right.
You don't wait for time to go buy go ahead,
I see you want to say something.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I mean like, our media is built for real time now,
and sometimes you make mistakes in real time. But I
think the thing that you're talking about is I posted
something about a pair of iconic sist women and I
called them drag performance, yes, And a person stepped in
and they were like, there, why are you calling a
drag They are women, And it's like, you know, there's

(16:43):
a lot of ideas that are carried in there, and
one of them is just that it's insulting to be
called a drag performer, like if you it's important an
idea of realness and gender that I think is like
a problem, and especially it like my instagram is not
a place for them, right, Like my instagram is a

(17:05):
place for celebrating queerness where authenticity is what you make
of it. And like it was just you know, some
people are gonna do that, but also some people haven't
thought that way about it. We're also just like, you know,
we have to respect that. Like so many people are
just working off what they were taught and didn't have
to personally like relitigate these things in their heads, and

(17:27):
sometimes they just need somebody to be like, hey, it's okay.
And also, like I was talking about the two fat
ladies who have you know enough red lipstick and blood
red nails that calling it not drag is and also
and also the like, the thing that most got me
about it was just that those tools of what a
real woman is are used against fat women all the time,

(17:49):
are used against spinsters like them, are using like as
long as the minute.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
We're creating a fucking hierarchy of gender, Like you're gonna
end up getting fucked yourself.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. And I was going to
say that that's kind of the second part of the
question that I had, you know, you using your platform
to push back against queer phobia. And I say that
intentionally because I think there's homophobia and then there's just
queer phobia in general. Like everyone everyone in under the
umbrella is folks are afraid of them, are not wanting

(18:21):
to engage them. And I guess the question that I
wanted to ask you on you know, on the pod
is really thinking about how has that been liberating for you,
especially with where we're at as a world where people
are like dunking on us left and right. I mean,
I don't want to spend too much time on this,
but even thinking about the Dave Chappelle of it, all right,
in the last few years he has made his comedy

(18:43):
about dunking on queer people and so specifically trans people
and so wanting to see you. How has that helped
you feel liberated? But also do you think comedy can
actually change the current culture? I think that's the thing
I've been wondering.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Well, I mean, one of the things about being a
little bit older now is just having watched things change,
and yeah, like it. Like there there is a sub
section of cis male stand up comics who have made
it their business to talk shit about transmits and like,
but also everyone did that twenty years ago. Everyone was

(19:23):
like like rampant racism, like rampant homophobia, rampant misogyny, and
so many queer comics and comics of color and female
comics have stood up and said no. And but the
real change is fucking audiences with more self esteem who
like when they hear something that is like directly insulting

(19:43):
to them, aren't gonna laugh because their boyfriend is sitting
next to them, aren't gonna laugh because they want to
play along, like they're gonna be like no, So you know,
and I think comedy has like a special cool power
of being able to make people to reacontextualize things, to
make people see things from a different perspective. And I

(20:04):
am so like heartened by how much things have changed
in my time in stand up comedy and the way
that that has created space for like new generations of
comics who are so funny and so diverse and are
taking us into their world and you know, making us
all in love with it.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know, I really appreciate you like naming a little
bit that name, a little bit like the what the
relationship between comic and audiences and how like the crowd
really is are the experience too? Because it makes you
think about you know, there's just unspoken rule that audience
members like don't like they just they just participate, whether
it's fun or not. Like they don't they don't respond
that they the only one would laugh, Like they don't heckle,

(20:47):
They don't say things.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
And I think, and I think, I think, like it's
to me.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I sometimes I wonder it is supposed to be more
symbiotic than that, like like you know, I'm not saying
oresperashu heckle somebody. But I also think if a joke
is not landing, that OTHERNMA should like for using that's
like not that funny.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Y yeaheah.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
And I mean, like so many of this older generation
of male comics will like go and talk about like
audiences have gotten so pc and are bitching about it
because they're not getting the audience that they learned to
expect thirty years ago. And like I just had to
start out in a world where like being queer or
talking about gay sex could result in audiences just shutting down,

(21:28):
and I learned I had to manage the audience that
was fucking in front of me. And but I like
there is also a way, like I remember telling jokes
and realizing like, oh, this joke that used to work
doesn't work anymore because an audience is more thoughtful or
sensitive about this topic and just you know, having to
look inside, Like we should all want to keep growing,

(21:50):
and I think, like I think we need to respect
and acknowledge that times are different and that different lessons
needed to be learned different times, and to not always
hold people of the past to the standards of now,
but also to hold people now to the standards of
now and ask them to grow up and see if
they can like find some way of changing.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I haven't thought that. I haven't thought that that lens before,
Like uh, like I.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Because like I like like the the language we use
as people, there are language that these comics often use
or like people the crowds are two PC, But I
haven't thought about like.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh, like it's actually it's actually it's actually like.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Their growth edge that they need to work through is
how is how to adapt to their audiences, like rather
than rather than them put the honest on the audience, Like,
it's really more about they need to figure out how
to manage your audience and manage who they are with
or what with their audience. So I really really really
love you naming that.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean they're just like so many of them
are used to women in the audience who think they
can't ask for anything more than humiliation, Queer people in
the audience who think that they can ask for anything
more than humiliation, and people of colored in the audience
who can think that the best kind of inclusion that
they can hope for is a couple of bad stereotypes.
And like, we all understand that that's not the case. Now,

(23:12):
So write a new joke, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, do better. Y'all be more original.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
God, yeah, step you put the up girl, Yes, step
you up? Yes.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
So I started I started Hawks recently, fantastic show I
started watching a few months ago, and I like, like
I've I've been trying to watch an episode a week
because that's like, that's the king second I can do.
Right now, you wrote, you wrote a scene. I have
like four shows a week, so I do an episode
per show per week, and that's why we're doing it.

(23:44):
You wrote a scene in season three that was truly
like like such a small subplot but had a huge impact,
right penton about being a big girl. You play a
fan of Debora Bants who began selling an authorized merch
because you weren't able to fit into the OG merch
and experience as all overlooked despite being a common one
for fat folks. Like like watching that, I was like, bitch,

(24:05):
literally like I like, I felt I felt something. A
lot of people watch Webb with nets, but this scene
connected with people who feel invisible and then seeing when
it comes to right. Like people think it's not mostly painful,
but we're not feeling like you mad enough to your
idol to make merch four is painful. So when you're
writing from that kind of personal experience, how do you

(24:27):
find the comedy in it?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And how do you.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Feel that humor can be a powerful that core people
can heal experiences of exclusion.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, like, I think the comedy of it is just
like inherent and like we like it's a living in
experience for somebody who is fat that like you, you know,
the inside and outside of that. And it was a
really interesting moment. We needed a reason that a fan
was making, like indie merchant. We needed it to be
a reason that was maybe like more complex than it

(24:58):
would seem on the surface. And so so this is
just something that's true for me truly. The number of
podcasts who fucking hector me for hey, hey, tell us
your shirt size. Tell us your shirt size. We want
to send you a shirt. It's like, I don't want
your fucking two X shirt. I have lots of sizes,
and then they send me a goddamn the foot one
behind me is fucking Stac Tai with goddamn two xes

(25:19):
that I have to take to uh, what do you
good will? But I have to take a good that
I have to take to goodwill or out of the closet
because people fucking send them to me and like they're
not of any value to me, And this was just
a thing of And the thing is is like so
much of queer culture these days, so much of gay
like masculine focused culture, is little outfit based, and like

(25:43):
when you have a different kind of body, you're like
the participation in the little outfits is different. And so
that is very real for me. It's not something I
talk about a lot, like because so frequently there is
the temptation, there is the cultural norm that fat people
shouldn't talk about these things, shouldn't remind people that our
lives are different. And I was in a room full

(26:03):
of people I love and think are the funniest and
I talked about that real experience, and then Lucia Aniello,
who is one of the showrunners and director, was like,
let's just do that. And then she also directed that episode,
and like, because like I had sort of like talked
about my experience, I wasn't the credited writer on that episode,
but they just sort of took the stuff I had

(26:24):
said in the room and put it in there. And
then on our last take of that, Luccia was just like,
talk about it, just like you would like just say
it in your own words, And there was something so
nice about that, because, you know, like people like us,
gay guys like us are not frequently represented in scripted media.

(26:45):
You know, my friend Karen Thomson has the iconic line
there were no real lesbians on television until Top Chef,
and I think that reality television has done so much
to expose people to real diversity, and scripted TV is
still having to catch up with that. But the important
thing to know is at the end of season three,
I was in my home. I received to package. It

(27:06):
was my rap gift for the season of Hacks, and
it was a beautiful sweatshirt that fit me, and I
fucking wept because like when rap gifts are something that
you wear, I don't get to wear my rap gift.
I give my rap gift to my niece, you know,
and like just you know, is like I'm a goddamn

(27:28):
co executive producer on that show and many others, and
that this show was the only one that was like, well,
let's let that be a part of this mental lot.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah. That actually makes me, you know again, one of
my dreams is to be in that world, part of
that world. Yeah, like I mean, but I think for
me hearing that, right, I think there's a lot to
be said about the folks who are so intentional about
seeing you and knowing it. So I think about this,

(27:58):
and maybe this is just me pontificant whatever, but like
maybe someone in that room who's you know, taking the
orders and doing all that work, they know what it's
like to be overlooked. They know what it's like to
not be seen or to feel like they're not and
so for them to take that much time, you know,
it just it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
No, and it was.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
It was clearly a decision that had been made by
the showrunners. And I think one really important thing is
when you do, situationally come to a place where you
have the option of ignoring people, try to remember what
it felt like to be ignored, you know, try to
remember and carry that into that place. And another thing
that needs to be mentioned is that one of the
other writers on the show, Ariel Carlin, who is also fat,

(28:40):
has done a really, really good job of always making
the showrunners remember because like the idea that Debra Vance's
fans are disproportionately fat and goofy is like a punchline sometimes,
but like Ariel has worked really hard to make sure
that we think about what that means, and we think
about what we're saying, and we give that nuance and

(29:00):
complexity because which I respect so much.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, that's I don't know. I just I love that
show so much and I'm so happy for it to
come back, and I'm also happy to know that you're
connected to it in that way. I was going to
ask you, you know again, I'm trying to keep this
conversation from being super heavy, because it's easy to get
heavy with everything we're dealing with, but I definitely want
to say I think with you know, and you've talked

(29:23):
about this, you know, on your socials, you've talked about
a lot of the stuff we're facing in terms of
real legislative and cultural attacks, and you know, really just
kind of knowing that we, like you said earlier, we
are we people either are making us the target or
continuing to feed into us being the target. And I
guess the question that I have when we think about comedy,

(29:44):
you know, what are the stakes of you making queer
people laugh and feel seen, you know in this moment,
Like what do you feel like kind of your responsibility
or other comedians responsibilities are and how do you hold
both the joy and the weight of that in this moment?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Like I think queer politics has always been rooted in joy,
Like you know, like there are those people who want
to dismiss or downplay the idea that Stonewall happened because
it was Judy's funeral, but like God knows, on the
day that Catherine O'Hara died, I felt a little less
capable of doing everything I needed to do a little

(30:21):
more like I wanted to throw a brick at somebody.
And I think we've come so far in thirty years.
It's amazing, it's so exciting. And there are a lot
of people, like a lot of people who believe that
the arc of history bends towards justice without people doing

(30:41):
anything to get it there. And there are a lot
of you know, gay guys who believe that this is
just an operation that's not going to go backwards. But
we've watched some real backwards happen. Roe Vweight is gone.
Like you know, I am right now so worried about
the fact that our the federal government is not taking

(31:02):
seriously like the strides that have been made in putting
HIV in check that they are no longer supporting subsidized
drugs in like twenty states have had to stop giving
out the drugs that things. Yeah, but I think one
of the best ways of doing that is, like the
queer movement has so much rested on people knowing us

(31:22):
and knowing who we are and not being able to
be cliches because you know the humanity and you know,
I think so much of the transwrits movement that has
happened in the last twenty years has just been people
knowing human beings and like I think, using our voices,
and they're being more transcomics, more queer comics. It's like

(31:43):
the media fucking doesn't know what to do with transmen.
Like the media like barely knows how Like I mean,
the number of scripted transmen that you see on television
probably non existent, but fucking Zeke on Survivor. You know,
like you have real human beings out there shifting how
people see it and understand it. And it's just it

(32:03):
just comes down to not shutting up and not and
not shutting up at a time when there are consequences
is the real game, you know that.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I just so funny. I was just talking to a
coworker about that today, this idea about how for years
a lot of the change that we see in our world,
whether it be in you know, Selma, or whether it
was you know, uh, someone throwing you know, Marsha throwing
the brick or you know, the people in the Compton, Uh,

(32:32):
you know, talking about the Compton up in San Francisco.
Come on, help me out, cafeteria. Yet I don't know
why I kept wanting to say cookout, but the cafeterias
because the Compton cookout was a thing too in San Diego,
but you know, shout out to them, But I was
gonna say the cafeterias. Right, it stems from people saying
this ship is not fair and we're gonna do something

(32:53):
about it. And so I think, you know, even though
you're you're making people laugh or belly laugh about in
justice in a lot of your comedy, you're still not
shutting up about the injustice that we're facing. And I
think that's the thing I really really appreciate about the
work that you do.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
So yeah, you know, yeah, like it should be fun.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
It should be fun, It should be keyword. Like I
was your point about like media and transmitting. I think
it's such a fascinating point because I think, like you said,
make me think about orbanentation for trans experiences like largely
focuses on transomiting, which I which I mean, isn't a
critique because transmitting experience like a huge brunt of EDI

(33:36):
trans and misogyny. But but you think, like there are
not many transmittal trails. I only can think of may
I think of, you know, I think of as problematic
rhymemorphy can be No. Number one loan Star, which I
think it was probably one of the one of the
best portrayals I see, like a transman on the show
was a series of regular.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Playing the character of Paul what is his name? Is
it Brian?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Brian?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's Brian yea, like such a great character.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
And then the coat of Jake I think Jake Rodriga
is in tells the City that in the reboot of
it from Netflix in twenty eighteen. But like they're just
like there's like really isn't really isn't really isn't a
lot of orientation. So it's made me think a lot
about that, and I'm like, John, note to self, we
should think about like doing it trying to get.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Uh Brian on here now that you mentioned Zeke, and
I just want to put this out here real quick
before you go, Zeke, if you're listening, you're just you're fine, honey.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That is a that is.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
A that's a good man, Savannah. That's a good man Savannah.
But yes, I just want to say, if you're listening, Zeke,
let you know you're beautiful, yes.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Like you know the like there's always the temptation to
think of it as a limited pie, to be sort
of like, oh well, most of it is on Transmit
and not on Transman, and it is like it's still
mostly about straight cis white guys like it, Like it
is mostly still not talking you know, about people like

(35:10):
outside of these experiences, and they're also in scripted television,
there comes this breakdown like on like in multiple places,
like three times I have been working on shows where
what was required get ready to be shocked was a
black gay man, a black gay CIS man was required

(35:31):
to be in something, and the casting directors were just like,
there's just nobody.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
There's just who on earth could do this. There's just nobody, and.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Like it's and it's been really interesting because there was
one time I was working on a show with Chris
fh Lloyd, showrunner of Modern Family and Frasier, Like you know,
straight's hiss, white guy, but like presented with the situation,
I was like, I know people, and he let me
a writer on the show, like fucking do the work
and get out there. And a lot of other people

(36:06):
would have been like, no, no, no, that's not your job.
These casting directors are taking care of it. But they
weren't doing their fucking job. And so I went out
there and like I brought all of the people to
the table that I could, and so like it was
so frustrating because like it was for a series regular
and they were like, well, this person doesn't have the
experience necessary to be a series regular alongside these other people.

(36:29):
And it's like, yeah, because these opportunities did not traditionally exist,
you cannot like you need like a black gay guy
who is over fifty. This is going to be somebody
whose career was built you know, yeah twenty thirty years
ago when there just wasn't this shit. And it's so frustrating,
and it's so it's a little gas lighting, yeah, to

(36:52):
be like you know, you're well you're not doing it right.
You have to do it exactly this way, but you can't.
And like I I so appreciate all of the people
who listen enough to try to figure out how they
can break and reshape the system, because if they're fucking
melting down about a black, cisc gay guy over like

(37:14):
in one of the cases, it was like he had
to be like over fifty five. But like, imagine if
they like if they had to cast a transmit, you know,
like they're just gonna you know, ment.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
N's to work. Okay, So yeah, the girls are failing.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
But I would love to ask you for the last
question this segment, what queer media is actually making you laugh.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Or feel something good? Right now? What's keeping you going?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
I have ever since I shot Stop That Train, I
have been on a forced rewatch of drag Race, and
it really is like what a magnificent text, yes, and
the toy of one hundred, Yes, but like we live

(38:08):
in the quotes of drag Race. Not to cut you off,
but this show is literally a legion of quotes from
drag Race. But I would say the things that have
been giving me like joy, that have been making me happy,
you know, Anitra and Marshall, Marsha and Marsha Peppermint shooting
my cuckoo lady, like you know, the real core a text,

(38:32):
but like there has been like I mean, uh, you know,
there were some problematic issues around English Teacher, but English
Teacher Season three was real fucking funny, And it's also
important to remember that a television show is not the
product of one person, and like, there were a lot
of amazing voices and a lot of amazing queer voices

(38:53):
who contributed to that. And I adored it and I'm
really looking forward to I really enjoyed it. Not to
laugh a minute, but I really enjoyed the four seasons
and I'm really looking forward to a new season of
the four seasons because my friend Matt Whitaker writes for

(39:13):
it and imbuse it with like, you know, I love
it when my friends fight fights to get things a
little gayer and a little more honest on these TV shows.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I love these show as well too. I thought it
was really well done for a new season as well.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Coleman's in that show, right mm hmm yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Which which I also like, I think like that show.
I loved it because I was like you don't really
see communists that like centered like this, like like like
around like like around old characters. It definitely don't see
like you know, you don't see like like like like
a gay relationship centered in this way or the other two.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
What I loved was getting to see Fag and Hag
at fishing. Yes, I really love We're not in the
same room except for this vacation once every three months,
but like, bitch, we've been this conversation has been going
on since nineteen ninety two. Let's keep it going.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I love it. Yeah, that's one of the shows that
are on my list of like I need to finish
or I need to at least watch that. I'm currently
on Imperfect Woman, and I have thoughts I won't spend
a lot of time there, but I definitely feel like, yeah,
I don't know if any of you are watching that, but.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, every time I go on Apple TV, I see
it pop up and I'm like, Nope, nope, you can't do.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
You can't take me away from shrinking to watch the show,
Like I'm just too to shrinking right now, which is
also one of those shows I think it is.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's a great show, very good show Apple, Apple TV.
You're usually in your bag, you know they.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
But they have hit or miss it, like it's either
really good or not.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I am stop because I want to make sure a
guy can keep getting work. They already told me I'm
not gonna work in the industry, but I want to
make sure.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
If you can work, which they should, then they'll make
You're great.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's yeah, great t T. I'm like, oh, I'm like,
let's not get too deep into shows because I want
god to keep their jobs around.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Also, Apple needs to not hide its television show. Yes,
like for such a long time, Like it was like,
who oh, somebody has had a show on Apple for
like five or six seasons now, and I didn't know
that she was working. And I'm like, Apple, get a bus.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
At can you just something?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Can you put something up there in the corner to
tell us girls show? Yeah, let a.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Girl know in the morning show for a long time
te te but just.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Loved he La.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm also foundations all of them shows. I'm like, girl,
you got a whole the show friends. Yeah, so yes,
it was really really good. But anyway, all that to
be said, now that we've given you more than one
reason to keep laughing in what can often feel like
a very terrible world. Want to take another quick break
to pay our dues, and when we come back, we

(42:04):
are going to tell you, Paul, what's pop.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Welcome back to the show Beloved's. This week, it's been
a lot going on in the media. People flew around
the most.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Shout out to Artemis two and so many of y'all
have had so much of the drama.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Shout shout out to JD for Papa often as well.
I've watched them van on What's about But people are
mad about it.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
But thought there's so much more, something much more pressing
that we should discuss. A yes, yes, you're there a
moment history that are pivotal, one could say generational, and
with the landscape shifts and the pages turn quicker.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Than Danielle Steele novel with chronically, how proply we are
all online.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I'm sure you've seen this topic. We've engage in the
collective thought process. I'm not trying to be morbid here
or even Bessie, but you know we are here to
be honest and transparent with you.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
So I want to ask this for.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Those you know, if you know, you know when that
inevitable day comes. You know what we're talking about, how
are you showing up? How are you celebrating that day?
It's not to say if at this because it's about when.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
When, when we deserve to be ready.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So I'll say, like, I you know, I'm not one
to celebrate downfalls, but I also really love seeing circuses end.
And I think, and I think, you know, when the
acrobat stop and the when and the and the you know,
insert circus animal here and like calms down.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I think it's I think it's great.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I will say I also, but like I will also say,
when that day comes, I fear what will happen next?
Because what's next behind that isn't great?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
And so I'm like, what will what?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
What?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
What will come of this moment?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I have somebody fraguntas, somebody guns, but I think I
will stand.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
You know, I don't like.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
That.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Maybe the day where I first do a bump of
something like well, I haven't done it yet, but.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Maybe the day where I do it and say, yeah,
let me, let me, let me just a little bump
to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Don't ride the ride horse, yes, roll the wide pony, yes, yes, yes, guy, how.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
About you.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I will celebrate that day by drinking a glass of champagne.
I'll have a bottle of shampane in one hand, a
glass of champagne in the other. I will not be
drinking directly from the bottle. That would be too much
respect for him. And I will be watching. I will
be watching JD Vance's poll numbers sink as low as
as humanly possible. And then also I will be using
one of my hands to talk shit about Usha Vance

(45:00):
on the yes. Because the thing is is, like he like,
a culture of personality needs a personality, you know, like
like once Salarn is gone, the mouth of Salaran is
not holding things together, and it will be beautiful to
watch the rats scatter, but I want there to be

(45:21):
I went there to be pain, and I want there
to be judgment. We can't pretend that that occurring will
be enough, and like it will be my my rage
will be even more focused. But also I will be
drinking champagne.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Saying saying yes, yes, So I bought I know you're
you're like John, what are your thoughts? I bought a
bottle of moett a few years ago and it has
just been lightly chilling in my refrigerator, and every time
I look at it and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna
open it for this, and I'm gonna open it for that.
I said I was gonna open it for my book.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Didn't breathe the spell.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, it's just to sit there until that day happens.
And when that day happens, I will pop that cork. Yes,
I want to pop that open. I'm gonna take one,
not just one, but two edibles. And you all know
how I am about edibles. I can't take two minute
because but I'm gonna take two, and I'm gonna dance

(46:21):
on my balcony with an airhorn. Remember the pots and
pans when people were clicking them together in the pandemic.
That's gonna be me. I Am going to be singing.
Can you feel a brand New Day? I'm literally gonna
be screaming. I'm literally going to blast it from all

(46:41):
of my musical equipments that I have throughout my home,
all of the all of the home pods will be
literally playing brand New Day. And Yeah, I'm just gonna
really sit there. I'm just gonna stand there and just
be screaming. But seriously, I think for me, you know,
I I agree with you a lot on this guy,
and I know we were sort of joking and I
sort of very sort of I do worry about what's

(47:04):
going to come after that, but I also just I
want to have that moment to just rest for a
quick second. Yes, just get that little sense of like
I don't know if you remember this or if you
had this, but I remember in twenty twenty four, was
this when you were ever? Know? When it was twenty
twenty two one, twenty twenty twenty November, Yes, yes, yeah,

(47:28):
when his first term ended. I remember sitting on the couch,
same thing, with the glass of wine, and I remember
watching Kamala and Biden and all of them on the TV,
and there was just this sense of like, who we
got out of this, you know what I mean, Like
we're almost out of this last four years, and so

(47:48):
I'm like, I again, I want that feeling again. I
don't know if I'll ever have it again, but I
kind of feel like that for me, it will be
what that moment will be for me. It's like, I
know this is probably gonna become worse because obviously we're here,
but it's just you know, I I definitely feel like,
at least we're starting to chop at the heels of
these terrible people, and and and at least no one

(48:10):
less terrible person is here. And even if it's for
even if it's for ten or fifteen minutes, you know,
just take a quick rest and just say, thank God,
you know, we at least have one less evil person
that we have to worry about.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm gonna come out. Let these little kids and the
little mushkins and wicked.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Like good no, no, yes, no one mourns the wicked girl.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Okay, I would these two subjects having been brought up,
I think that we strongly need.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
The emotionally deep revisionist wickedization. Yes of the wiz. Yes,
I want to see the wick. I want to see.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Like uh yes, Like I've been watching a lot of
Red Fox Show performance of Down the Road over and
over again, and I like, I want that kind of action.
But for popularity.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yes, yes, you know, I'm with you when you're right.
And this is the reason why I've always said you
have so much taste. There's a lot of taste there,
There's so much taste. But I definitely I'm right there
with you. I just I cannot. I don't even know
all the words to Brand New Day, but I swear
to God in that moment, I'm going to know it.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
I'm going to know every single word alphabetically.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
It was alphabetically the first song on my phone, okay,
and so anytime I plugged it into anything, it would
just try to play.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Do did y'all know that Luther Vandels wrote that song?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I like that idea, sure did. To be quite honest,
I don't know what that song is.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
But I've never seen You've never seen you've never seen
the win.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, I'm seeing the Wiz.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I just joe hoo.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Okay, we have to we have to acknowledge the context
of what is now. I am thirty years old and
this show came out.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
The seventies. Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
So you know there is a little bit of a gap,
if you will.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
So you're calling us old, that is what I hear.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I hear you your words, not mine. I was just
saying I'm young.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Wow. Wow, you see you see how they do what's
over here? Guy? You see you see you?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
You know we're all young and gaping, yes, defined defined
by how young?

Speaker 5 (50:44):
And just what a huge gap gaping?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, gaping was was was a choice that was ha ha.
We don't have to do that to me today, Producer
producer Joey, can we name that the title of this episode?
We'll see what producer can. Producer Joey says, yes, Young
and Gaping, that will probably be the title of this episode.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
But anyway, you know, I know, I do know some
songs like He's on Down, He's on down the road
and I know that one.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Things just like.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
But anyways, anyways, fam not given the listeners something to
look forward to well reflect on.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
We have to work quick break.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
When we come back, we're back with your paiaf because
you're no man PAMs, all right, y'all.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
So we are back with our yes ma'am and our
no man PAMs. And this is where we like, like
we always do every single week, we either give people
their flowers or we hit them with them. And so
with that being said, I'm gonna start. Guy will throw
it over to you and then Joho, you will close
it out for all of us. I'm looking at yours, Joho,
and I just literally was like huh l o l

(51:58):
absolutely definitely yes for yours. So with that being said,
I'll start with mine. I definitely wanted to say so,
I am not a space girlie. I'm not one of
those people who go up for space and it's like,
oh my godness is melancho? I no, shade, I just
don't care. I like, I barely want to be here
on Earth. Why would I want to go out there?

(52:22):
I do? No, I had right, I had better. I
have so many other things that I need to be
worried about other than somebody trying to get to the move.
People are dying camp. But I did want to give
credit where credit is due. We started this week tracking
is it our Artemis Artemis two, and somehow ended abspiraling

(52:44):
about whether those astronauts would be the last humans alive.
But anyway, let's focus. The mission is genuinely historic. We
haven't been back to the Moon in over fifty years,
so for people who do or so, I still have
a lot. I have a lot of thoughts about if
we actually were on the Moon or not, but that's
neither here nor there. If then people got up there,

(53:07):
you know, blessings to them. But like I said, I
still I still have a feel about if that's a
thing or not. But anyway, human eyes literally got to
see the moon. And shout out to Apple for being
able to say that they are the only cell phone
company slash provider to say that they actually have a
picture of the moon with somebody like somebody used their

(53:30):
iPhone to take a picture of the moon when he
was up there. I want to give Victor Glover all
of the flowers for being the first black man to
travel beyond was it low Earth orbit? First black astronaut
headed towards the moon and somehow and someone who listened
to Gil Scott's heroines Whitey on the Moon every Monday

(53:52):
on his way to work. Now, Victor, I have a
question about that. Please come on the show so we
can discuss it a little bit more. But Christina, I
think it's knock is also making history as the first
woman to travel beyond the Earth orbit. I don't even
know what that means, but I guess shout out to them.
They they made it, They made it. Boo. Now, Joey,

(54:14):
you are in the chat and you are saying you
you're questioned me? Are you questioning me because of my
thoughts about did people really get on the.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Moon or not?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
John? What do uh well into a ten well yes,
well yes episode.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Okay, yeah, well I have a lot of tenfoil hats.
But anyway, all that to be said, shout out to them. Okay,
so my nomm let's move on. In the words of
Bernie Mac, let's move on for my nomam pam. This week,
I wanted I was going to talk about one thing,
but then I also saw something prior to coming into
this this and I was like, oh, I want to

(54:53):
I may want to mention that too. I think for me,
I'm gonna start with my first thought and then I'll
throw one more here and then we'll pass it over
to guy. My first one is classism at the airport.
So if you have not been following me on threads,
you know how I have a lot of thoughts about
flying these days. I absolutely hate it. I used to
enjoy it before the pandemic, and now it feels every

(55:16):
time I go to the airport, I feel like I'm
gonna have to like street fighter somebody, Like I literally
feel like I'm ready to turn around and just kick
someone in the throat or I have to chop somebody
in the side of they face because just flying is big.
But anyway, I want to I want to. I want
to say not even shout out. I don't know what

(55:36):
the right word is, and there are a lot of
words that I want to call this lady, but I
definitely uh had a moment with a woman on the
plane recently. So I was sitting. I always sit in
one A because one I use the bathroom a lot,
and I love the idea of knowing that I don't
have to fight to get to the bathroom, so I
always sit in one A. And anyway, there, when I
was getting on the plane coming back from New Orleans,

(55:58):
shout out to my friend who went to New Orleans
with me. The lady put her bag in my seat,
and yes she was, Yes she was. She put her
bag in my seat. And when I looked at her
and looked at the bag, she was like, oh, you
can go past me. And I looked at her and
I was like, honey, I'm not going past you. Your

(56:19):
bag is in my seat. And she hit me with
a oh, and I hit her with a yeah. Like that,
So I just like, I know it's probably going to
follow on deaf ears, but I'm just so sick of
those people. And I'm not talking about a specific person
or a specific race. There's a certain kind of person

(56:41):
who travels and I'm sick of them. So that's the
first thing I'm definitely over. The next thing is very petty,
but I'm also going to just say it because it
happened to me prior to me coming to record. If
you're a fast food place, please change your oil. I
just want to throw that out. I can taste the

(57:02):
fact that you have not changed your oil in a
very long time on my fries. And if you're charging
me thirteen dollars for a meal, the oil needs to
be fresh. I just need to say that. I just
needed to say it somewhere so that way it didn't
live on my spirit. But yeah, I'm not going to
say the name of the company because maybe one day
they will sponsor the show. We will take that money.

(57:22):
But yes, please change your oil. Guy, what about you? Oh? Yes,
abolished peanut oil. That is also a thing. Yes, please
abolish peanut oil.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yes, I would like to say, yes, ma'am Pam to
the springtime. Yes, walking around Los Angeles and having the
air field air conditioned one hundred percent. Squirrels running around
my yard trying to fuck one hundred percent. We have
reached the season when the locust bean tree out on
the street produces enough food that the squirrels can just

(57:54):
kind of like hang out and eat what's there and
don't have to work. And it really is just a
reminder of what you niversal basic income could look like.
So yes, ma'am, Pam the spring, I'm ready for all
of your bounties.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yes, yes, what about no man, Pam manam?

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Oh, I mean I don't know that I have significant
no man like I mean, ultimately, no man Pam street
sweeping on my street. It's a constant battle. Like I've
managed to grow up enough that I kind of woid
it most of the time, but it's always a hassle.
When I go on a little trip, I have to
be like, is it Tuesday involved? If Tuesday is involved,
I have to make a friend to an Errand I

(58:32):
hate all of it. And I would like us to
figure out, you know, while we're creating computers that are
smart enough to do every accountant in lawyer's job, maybe
we could figure out a way of sweeping the streets
that didn't involve me not having to like park where
I park every Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
That's actually a really good point. Yes, what about mommy's effie,
what about money's yes, yeah, yeah, efie, we all got paid. Yes, yes,
that is definitely a fair What about you, joho?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I would say I think that my yes, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Is no.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I will say before yesterday, I was immensely engaged in
the artements to hullabaloo about this little aircrafts in space.
But I spent the morning looking at it and it
was really sweet, like actually sweet.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
We sent some of the interesting people up people who
knew people are like they said, astronauts, but we got poets.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So I'm like, Okay, it's calm down, Like it's like
it's just more people.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Like wait, they were writing poetry up there.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Who's to say they were just saying these sweet things
like and people are like, yeah, poets and and like
there's nothing like right and like and there's a nice
things to happened, like like the name of the creators
on the moon, after one of the after the the
commander's late wife and so so.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
So everyone's like, if you're trying to move up to you, baby,
he's not the word. And I'm like, it's impossible standards
for people and relationships.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
But yeah, before you continue, not to cut you off,
but I want to know, So what happens to Katy
Perry and all of them who went up to the
Like is it like? What? What? What? What? What's that? Why?
Why was I don't understand, Like did did they go
around that? That was?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
That was like a whole different That wasn't the a nassa.
I think that was like is is this the lower
orbit that we have heard?

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Right? I'm like, what is the low Earth orbit?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Okay, low let's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Let's just find out while we're at low Earth orbit
is roughly one sixty two thousand kilometers above birth, which
is a huge range.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Producer said, it means far, it means far, okay, far,
So they went further than Katy Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
No, for sure, yes, people because they're going to towards
the moon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Katy Perry and them, I don't think they're at the moon.
I think they're on there for a few hours. There
was like they was like the up and down pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
It was eleven eleven minute sub orbital flight and that
was by Blue Origin as part of the New Shepherd
of Space, which is okay, so this is this is
for space tourism, which is not for the sake of
ditty gathering and understanding space and some space tourism.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Get out of here. Okay, okay, I'm over. I'm over
talking about Katie Perry. I just I just had questions
because I was like, well, why are I don't know? Anyway, Yes, she.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Was not low orbital and also like she wasn't an astronaut,
and she wasn't she wasn't historic in this, and so
excuse me, and to this hits the history of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And apparently they're landing in San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Well, landing on the Inner Ocean when they when they
come down from space, they will land in the in
the and Sanio is part of the Pacific Ocean, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
So that how how pleasant after a long time in space?
I always want a fish taco.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Well, you know, they'll be about fifty miles away, but
they maybe someone can bring them some.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
And they were only they're only over ten days, you know,
So it's are they still up there? They are coming?

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Sorry, Joey put a case, I can't get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yes they are. So they're general Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
So they left last week and their returned Friday, and
so then they will drop down in the specific ocean.
The navy and who else you get every will also
arrive on the scene to bring them up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
At some point the city against can.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Do their user binoculars, their their binuculars to look and
find and see some.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Remnants of the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
And maybe, if we're lucky of the ship, the Artemis
ship or the wherever the ship they come back on,
may float the shore and that'd be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
So get sampan to all that. Yay science, love science
A man. Pam also estactualated is AI music artists.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
So I haven't listened to this artist named Nick Hustles
for the past few months.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
He'd be having some good music.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I'm play, I ain't got shit today, I ain't got
sh or like, don't ask me to do shit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I'm black and I live.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I live for it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It's great. It is great music.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I was last week years old, like, who is Nick Hustles?
Because because the album art has given me nineteen seventies?
So I said, who is this old ass cat but
doing music Todayly, wait, wait, what's the inspiration?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Bitch? I don't found out it's he's Ai. I was
so gay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So the person behind Nick Hustles like like writes the
music himself, just AI to actually sing the song and
adopt some like lyrics and s touch and I'm I
have feelings about it, Like I don't know how I
have feelings about it. I've been pretty anti AI person
from jump. I'm trying to allow myself to understand it more,

(01:03:52):
but I'm really I'm like really mad about it because
I'm like, now I've been AI mans about three months,
blast of the songs on my stories and shit playing
my car and now it's not a real person. But
I can't go see Nick Rustles in person. I can't
go to see him perform. So what was the reason
for what was the raise?

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
That makes no? No? You have him to that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
People may love that, and I love that for them,
and I pray that they continue to find joy and
what makes them feel makes them feel efficient and sufficient
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And I love that, But it's just not for me. Vibes,
not for me, not for me, babes, not for me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
All right, Well, now that we don't, I still have
no idea who Nick Hustles is or what he does.
I'm a low key a little upset that he has
more followers on Instagram than I do and he's not
even real. He's not even a real boy. Not a
moment to be alive. What a moment to be alive.
But anyway, all that to be said, please send us

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in the eas that we mat at here. With that
being said, guy, where can the dolls find you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
They can find me across all social media at guy
Brandam except for TikTok, Guy Brandum Comedy and they can
come watch us stop that train on June twelfth.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yes, yes, stop that train June twelfth, Yes, yes, yes,
very excited because I will be in theaters with my
podcorns clicking my little hands together watching that. I'm just
so excited, literally, like I said, I'm so happy that
you're in it. And I'm really excited for all the
fanfare around that Queen Joho. Where can the dolls find you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
This week?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Of course, this week you can find me at Jojo
Jana's across all socials, my motherside, John d'ale's dot Calm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
And if not there, you will find you will find me.
Where will you find me? I wish I could tell
you at home? Both chances are you probably won't, but
you could find me. You can find me. The stars
you can find me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
You can find me do my own low orbital expedition
across across the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, not not on the moon, honey, my god. As
for me and us tomorrows teller Tubby, Yes, that is
a RuPaul reference. Do you turn it around, Mimi, turn
it around. With that being said, you can find me

(01:06:35):
at doctor John Paul, living my best life on threads
and making people on LinkedIn suckday booty cheeks tighter because
who acts that way on LinkedIn LinkedIn is a professional absite.
I love making people rund LinkedIn uncomfortable because ultimately, professionalism
is a scam. All that to be said, you can
find me online at ww dot Doctor John Paul dot com.

(01:06:58):
You can learn more about my consulting, my current book
and hopefully one day my future one. My god, my god,
my god, the industry of publishing is something, my god,
you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Sorry, because I'm like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yes, yes, yes, yes i am. I'm definitely there right
there with you, the adhd of it all and the
neurospiciness of our brain. And then ultimately, if you want
to watch us on Hulu, who am I meant to be?
Where I get to talk about the magic of the
show and the relationship that I have with my bff
on this show. Ultimately, probably the best ten to fifteen

(01:07:43):
minutes that you will spend of your life is watching
that clip. So head over there to watch that. With
that being said, this has been under the show. Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous,
and remember what, Jojo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
We may not be a cup of tea girl, but
you got two options still are sparkling water some loving
to intreat yourself a girl? Look at you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
This is some.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yes, you can get this, aquafina. What what are some
other sparkling waters out there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Don't body drink no arrow hair. Arrow head tastes like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Rock water you drink on you, So let's calm down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Okay, no, don't do me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Don't do me, don't do rawhead. How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
But I hate it here? All right, get off my line.
I'll see y'all next week. We love you forever by.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
The Black Fatfem podcast is executive produced by Joey Patt
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Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
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