You Better Grow, Gurl! (Featuring Christopher Griffin)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the Black Theffion Podcast, where all.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The intersections of identity are celebrated.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I am one of your magical hosts, John also known
as Doctor John Paul, and I just have to say
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take on bad Bunnies d T me pregunto which I
never I never heard that song before the super Bowl,
and I literally have not been able to stop playing

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it since the super Bowl because that song goes.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't care what nobody says.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
We're gonna be talking more about good Bunny in a second,
uh that more later into the show. I call him
good Bunny because if you know, you know, honey, you
know honey. But we won't be talking more about my
my Begudy down in the show. But with that being said,
how are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Since Joho Girl loves it, shavessis you're in aka joh
and one. Let me just say so, as you all
may see for this week, Uh, the the braids are down,
the hair is back, and I'm ready to cut off.
I'm actually actually I may just the big chop and
go home because it's a hot.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's honey of this weird girl. This hair is too much,
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
And also I am tired of people needing me for something, y'all.
I don't fucked around. Maybe myself too important to too
many things. This is like and I feel like I
feel like when you know it's but what was it like?
This is this is mean that that's like what a
blessing to be overwhelmed the things that once asked for? No,
it's not a blessing, bitch, I'm fucking done.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm tired for ship.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
So call my phone, blowing up, my phone, blowing up?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
What it Beyonce says, she you you make me want
to throw my page out the window.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, yes, tell em to cut the phone post. I
can't move.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
However, I do want to say one thing before we, uh,
we introduce our amazed, our amazing guests for this week.
It's so sad because if you listen to that song,
everything that Beyonce references in that song. Nobody but our
generation knows about it. Like everyone after us. It's all gone.
Pages are gone, m c I is gone, AOL is gone.

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The only thing that they would know is breaking leases
and moving. That's the only thing. Boxes gone, everything, So
everything in that song the phone phone no more, no more,
make AOL emails up?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, and my email stop. I mean people say, oh, Gmail,
it stops. What's that meant?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no AOL You've got mail, honey, No,
not anymore. But with that being said, I want us
to get stand on your feet. If you are listening
to this and you are able to stand, please stand
up and put your hands together. In our thirty we
have a Brooklyn based black queer non binary educator, author

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plant enthusiasts who I have been following for a very
long time. And I think you know, in the words
of a lot of the spiritual girlies, I manifested this
because I said, one day this baby is gonna be
on the show.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And I kid you not.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Literally A couple of weeks later, I got the email
and I and when I.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Got the email, I said, that name sounds so familiar.
I said, who is who?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
And no.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
When I clicked on it, I said, God, I manifested this.
This person is known for their vibrant Green Girls, house
plant collection, joyf approach to nature centered self care. And
that's what we're gonna talking a lot about today. Raised
in What's Philadelphia, born and raised and inspired by gardening
trips with their grandmother, they launched plat Queen and Instagram

(04:08):
on Instagram in twenty sixteen to share valuable, valuable lessons
and I'm really excited for them to share their knowledge
with us today. Please give it up for the author
of the book You Grow Girl.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Plant Queens Lush God to grow in your garden.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Christopher Griffin aka the Plant Queen is with us this week.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
What a moment, What a moment. Hello, Hello, how are you,
my doll?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I am wonderful, Darling.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
It is such a pleasure to be here with such
immaculate energy and presence, and Melanie Darling, I'm so excited.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Thank you for having me. And that's going to be
a beautiful time, doll.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
And I hope the people watching them and listening are
ready for a show.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, that's right. Yeah, everything to say. I noticed well
with this week.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know how we always start for those who are
new here we are we always celebrate Tisha Campbell and
are still here segment, and I wanted to engage a
through line in all of the conversation today. We're gonna
be talking a lot about growth today, and since that's
this is going to be part of the theme, I
wanted to ask both of you what strengths do you
underestimate or fail to give yourself.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Credit for in terms of growths? Growth the things that.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Maybe you you necessarily don't give yourself the a sensation for,
but you know that you have, like you like.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Every time the Dolls call you bring it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
And so I'll start, Christopher will give it to you,
and then Joho will go ahead and we'll pass it
to you after. What I want to say for me is,
you know, I know I don't give myself credit for
how much I've been able to do without the effective resources.
And I know that this is a story of so
many black queer people right We literally are given absolutely

(05:57):
nothing and we take it and we make gold out
of it every single time. And so I say that
it's very funny because I didn't like today and like
me doing this earlier this week. I didn't correlate it,
but a friend of mine, well not a friend of mine,
a person that I follow on LinkedIn, had posted their
resume and they were like, oh, this resume helped me
get this job, blah blah blah. So look, okay, well

(06:17):
let me go back to my resume and let me
work on it. And as I was working on my resumes,
and I was looking at my resume, and I was like,
my God, like all of these really cool things that
I have done with no help, like it literally, so
like looking at that and seeing the growth, and then
looking at the growth of the show, looking at the
growth of all the stuff that we've been able to
do for blackfat fem It just it means to me
that we've been able to attain so much through believing

(06:39):
in ourselves and saying I deserve, we deserve. And so
sometimes I have to stop myself and remind myself, like, girl,
give yourself, give yourself.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
What is it called experienced?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Girl, give yourself some credit, right, give yourself some credit
for how you've been able to show up.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And so I just wanted to say that, but what
about you, Christopher?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, hmm, let's see I would say that I tend
to underestimate and downplay my ability to enjoy the intimacy
of my own solitude, being able to be with myself
by myself. It's something I do take for granted, and

(07:21):
I think it's something I started really when I was
a young child. I was just off in my own
little imagination, spending a lot of time with myself. You know,
I was surrounded by family. You were a small family.
And I think it's manifested in a bunch of different
ways throughout my career and my adult life. One, I
do a lot of solo traveling, and I'm not afraid

(07:43):
to hop on a plane and if that group text
is not going to manifest into an actual trip, baby.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
My ass will be on the flight.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Bamal girl.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Oh that's.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
And so personally, I think that has been helpful in
terms of my traveling, in terms of dating myself, that
has been very very helpful in terms of not waiting
for a romantic partner to treat myself to all the
romantic things that I want to do in my life.
I will take myself to that Fancys restaurant by myself.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I will order what I want to order. And have
a good time.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
And then lastly, I think it's also the ability as
a social media content creator, I have to go into
spaces where I'm often the only one and being able
to be grounded in myself when I'm surrounded by people

(08:48):
but filling alone. It is very important and un fortunate,
but a necessary skill to have when you're navigating in
this kind of you know, industry. Being able to go
to an event and don't feel confident still you know,

(09:09):
enjoy yourself but probably be the only one that.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Looks like you in the room.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Uh so, yeah, those are like that, that skill being
grounded in myself and enjoying the intimacy of my owntholitude.
I think it's something that I often underestimate and take
for granted m.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Such rich answers. It's like like, I like, minds is
so surfaced. No, no, I'll say, I don't give myself
enough credit for muttering conversations and doing interviews. Like I
think that's something that I don't always like. I know,
it's the thing that I shine and I feel the

(09:48):
most but like the most like align with who I
am as a person, Like I love love, love love
of so say in dialogue and I think and I
like this past week, I or last week, I guess
when comes out. And for my job, I'm i the
facility conversation about like black Jewish leadership in Los Angeles
and what that like looks like it means and ask

(10:09):
me good questions and you know we've been on the
show for four years now, and you know, like, I
know I asked you questions, like I know I asked questions.
I know, like I know, I know how to talk
to people and I know how to like hear people,
but I don't think I always must have credit like
how much I shot in that. And this past week
I was like, oh my god, I really am in
my bad like my my My coworker had had like

(10:31):
like text me and was like I'm so in ove.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Of even I was like and like and like and
at the end.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like girl, I was like, I eat that right, I
ate that up. And I was like, no, I do
eat that up every time, like I really do. Like
I know, I know when people listen to the show,
I know, I got a lot of feed back up.
People say like, like you know, like they love the
questions I asked. I love they love the way in
which we we had to with a log with our guests.
Whenever whenever I go on dates or hang out with friends,
I know I asked for interesting questions, and so I think,

(10:58):
like I think I've framed myf was, like, this is
from a place of uh, it is in some ways
from a place of knowing what it's like to not
be seen or heard. So everyone a roman to feel
seen and heard. Yeah, but I think I get myself
credit for the fact of, like I've cultivated a really
big skill from that too. Yeah, it's a skill that like,
I like, I like, I like, I get to build

(11:19):
a life off of and I feel really really amazing
about that.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, I will say, you know, I kind of always
go back to and like our trip to New York,
I will say, and again when we were there this
last last October, uh, Jordan, you know, and we've mentioned
this on the show before about how much fun we
had on that trip. But I will say, like, I've
never traveled with someone who was so intentional about making
sure I was good the entire time, from the time

(11:44):
we got on like literally from the time that we
went into the what is it the Delta Lounge?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
How you do it uh.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
To the time that you know, to the time that
our event was over. We had chicken and I forget
the name, but what was the name of that place
we went and got that chicken.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Corn bread cornbread, well, and I was I was like, Christopher,
you must know about this.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
You must let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
The moment I get a chance to go to n
y C again, that will be on the.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I can't even say, my god.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
But anyway, from the time we left, from the time
we went to eat from and and and you know
we had to part ways because obviously I left earlier
than you and you you were staying a little bit later,
like I still felt cared for. And so that that's
the thing I will say, Like I can speak to
you not literally giving yourself too much credit on that.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Like you know, some people like, oh, I'm such a
good person. You're like actually.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Not girl, No, Like I can genuinely say, my sister,
if you are, if you are friends with Jordan, you
are going to be careful from top to bottom. And
it's never like a I do it because I expected back.
It's always very selfless. It's just you're just such a
BEAUTI like I cannot say through and through enough how
much how grateful I am to not only have you

(13:09):
as a as a co host, but also to have
you as a true and dear sister. And so I
just want to say, like, both of you give and
bring so much joy to this life, especially in this moment,
and I'm just really grateful that we got a chance
to kind of highlight that. So but that being said,
we are going to take a break to make sure
that we get on our credit coma gang Girl, go ahead,

(13:32):
you can sponsor the show, run us a little bit
of coin if you wrote credit Comma. But we're gonna
give ourselves some credit and we'll get back.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
With more show.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Fam We are black and this we can get into
the soil of all pennintended baby girl with our amazing plan, Queen,
and we want to talk to you today about growth
and self advocacy. Now you've got the greenest thumb. I
would say mine's a little mid Greek. You know, if
if we say yours is Emerald, I would say mine's
a stage.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
And I see.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I know, I know John says it's not their journey,
So we'll give them. We'll give John, like, what's we'll
give them. I'm not on the soil. So to begin,
once you've been asking you what lessons has plant parents
had given you? And how's you to a place where

(14:31):
you want to want to send your work around plants?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh? You know, I'll say first.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
That you know, when it comes to language around green thumb,
black thumb, brown thumb, you know, honey, exactly. I didn't
want to point out for folks, you know, when we're
using that language, let's be aware and the words you
use matter, right, And so to associate black and brown

(15:03):
thumbs with death, with not being able to care for something,
I think we need to get rid of that, right. So,
like I don't use those I have two beautiful brown
black thumbs, baby, and I'm here for two hundred two
hundred plus green girls in my apartment. And so it's
like small little things like that that I think, you know,
impact our perceptions when.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
It comes to communities, in small little moments like that.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
But I tend to think of, you know, caring for
a garden as like a muscle, right, It's something that
you build over time. There's no inherent knowledge or any
inherent skill. I study psychology and education in my professional
so like this is all been an experiment in terms

(15:48):
of bringing plants to my home caring for them. Obviously,
I have my you know, my grandmother to think for
nurturing the nurturer in me and helping me to see
the beauty, the intricate, complex beauty that nature can you know,
kind of show off for us.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
And so I think the most important thing that I've
learned in you know, caring for plants over.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
This it's been over a decade now, is that.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
It's always like our plants and nature reminds us of
the various different ways that we can care for ourselves.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Right.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
So you know, I really started greeting up my apartment
at the height of the pandemic, right, and the child
I went from forty plant to I was at like
almost three hundred.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
At some point, child, I was like, ooh, girl, we
gotta we got a doubt?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Is that little bit?

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Hello, Hello, get them a lord, it's given.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Uh, it's given, Victoria mona jaguar, honey, yes, yeah, all right,
all right, yes, yes, honey.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
That's what it was given.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
So you know, I am constantly reminded, you know, we
water our plants. I need to make sure I'm hydrated. Right,
we talk about pruning yellowing leaves. What are some things
I gotta let go of to focus on new growth?
We focused on nutrients, right, I got to give my
plants fertilizer. Are you feeding your soul, your heart, your body,

(17:34):
your mind, your spirits the nutrients that it needs to
continue growing.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Are you giving yourself room to grow repotting? Oh it's not.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It doesn't have enough room to you know, growing floors?
Are you changing your environment so that you are allowed
to grow and spread your honey?

Speaker 4 (17:52):
The analogy could go back and forth, right.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
And so I think we need to allow ourselves opportunity,
nies to kind of just sit with nature. I think
it's something that it's easy to take for granted, right,
But there's such beauty and history and something worth paying
attention to. And I think both need to really sit

(18:15):
down and bring nature into their homes. Appreciate the part
that you have in your neighborhood, that tree you on
your block, and just let nature teach you.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know, the lesson.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
There's so many lessons that nature can teach us, and
I think we just have to sit still and observe it.
So yeah, So I think for you know, for that
part of the question, I think that was important to highlight.
And in terms of you know, bringing plant to the forefront,
I think it's always been like a highlight in my life.
You know, back to when I was a kid and

(18:48):
I would go on little trips with my grandmother to
nurseries that she enjoyed and being in her garden with
her and Honey, this was Southwest Philly, this was the hood, baby,
this was the hood. And she had a flourishing garden
and it was the only garden that was in full bloom.
And I think that was just a manifestation of her

(19:10):
beauty and joy as a black woman. Yeah, and I
think fast forward. I had moved into my second apartment
in New York and I was like, you know what,
I want to bring a plant into my home.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I still have that plant today.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And I started documenting the journey and folks started associating
me with plants, and I was like, oh, this is funny.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I love experimenting. I love experimenting.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I was like, oh, let me create a little account
and playful and share my plant journey.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Honey, all that boom so money. Now I'm making my money.
That way.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
So yes, yeah, I'm seeing the super room. I said, oh, okay, yes,
the super room.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Oh yes, babe, you tell at m.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Oh, we're going places.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I love that journey for us. I love it. Yeah,
I love that.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
It's been beautiful. It's been a beautiful journey.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Not one that I expected. But you know, my mama
always said, if you're going to do something, you do
it well, baby, and I was like, well, I'm gonna
do it well, honey.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
It's been my first full year of entrepreneurship of doing
Plant Queen.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Just last year.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Prior to that, I was working, you know, daytime job
and night queen and.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Because I was so you grow girl, but this is
gonna be plant Queen.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yes, it was daytime job in the day and then
playing queen at night. And so yeah, it got to
a point where I was making more money during.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
My social media work than my daytime job.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
And I was like, you know, I owe it to
myself to take a chance on myself, to bett on myself,
to invest in myself.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
And to take my time back. We claiming my time.
We came in my time, my time.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Hello, Hello, Hello, So no going back. It's been it's wonderful.
It's wonderful, and to be able to experiment with my
creativity in different ways. I have a bunch of different
little partnership coming up that I'm really excited about this year.
And uh, honey, I'm going to keep on climbing, honey,

(21:50):
like Avon maybe la a Van It's.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like a fine Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
So one thing I love that you talk about being
an entreprene grow because a lot of us are so
afraid to bet on ourselves, and I think that's a
part of growth is recognizing when you've done the work.
And again, we talked about that at the top of
the show, right, we talk about I've done the work
I have, you know, I have all the things. I've
set myself up for success, So I'm going to bet

(22:17):
on myself. But one of the things that I also
love is how you've been able and you talked about
this too, like being able to use plants to mirror
our own self care. And so I guess what I
really would love to ask is how has your relationship
with your green girls, your babies, your plants. How has
that changed the way you understand your own growth over time?

(22:38):
Because I know it's hard out there. It's hard, but
at the same time we still grow. So I would
love to know how those how they inspire you to
keep growing.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Ooh, okay, I'm going to try to. I'm going two
little analogies here. So I think the first one is
I understand that, you know, sometimes plants may not be
showing a lot on the top, right, Maybe some leaves
are not looking as healthy. Maybe it's in this dormant

(23:09):
pade behind it. Underneath those roots are growing and they
are fortifying themselves, right. So I think you know, when
we talk about growth, not every when you're growing, not
all that growth is visible, right, So I think we
have to allow ourselves those moments where that growth is internal,

(23:33):
where that growth is not for anyone else's eyes. Like,
sometimes there's growth that doesn't need a witness, right, And
so I think that's important for folks, especially in the
age of social media and visibility and all that jazz.
Sometimes there is growth that does not need to be witnessed.

(23:54):
So I think that's number one. Number two is that
sometimes growth is seasonal. Right, Sometimes we have to stop,
we have to pause, we have to rest, Sometimes we
have to go dorm it in order to get that
energy for that growth period, right, and you know, constantly
going and going and going is not sustainable one. And

(24:15):
so in my apartment, I have these purple lights. It's
some purple lights on right now.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Uh. These are led grow lights.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
And they mimic the rays of the sun, especially in
the wintertime when you know the sun is like peace out, girl,
I'm retiring little early. I'm out of here, girl, I'm
out of here.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Hello, not for a long time. And so I have
dopplemental light.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I have supplemental light, but I uh do not keep
it on throughout like some I've seen some people where
they have grow lights on all day.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Girl.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Our plants need to rest, like they they need time
to like kind of go dormant to uh utilize the
They've been working all day and they've been creating glue
coats and now they got to like do something with it, right,
And if they're constantly producing that sugar that they ain't going,
they ain't good for the long term health.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
They don't overworking these babies.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm paying over off the light.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Could I please go to sleep. I gotta go to bed,
like leaves, it's like on top of the line, like.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Turn off the lights, and so I think we have
to do the same for ourselves. Have to know when
to stop, when to paul, when to rest. Self preservation
is a radical act. I think all the Lords said
it best, like self preservation is a radical act. And
so I think we need to allow ourselves those moments

(26:04):
to sit still, to be loved on, to sleep, to rest,
to allow ourselves to play and to have fun and
to be joyful, because that is what's going to ultimately
fuel your momentum to keep going forward. Like this is
a marathon, not a sprint, baby, So you got to

(26:26):
be strategic with how you use your energy, and plants
are very good at that. And so I think that's
some lessons that I've learned that you know, my my
green girls, my plans are constantly reminding me of that
has helped me to keep in this game for over
a decade.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
And honey, I'm just getting started.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I know, that's right, that's right. I really I really
love like, I love the connection you made between yourself
like us as people implants, like I think it's a
really great when to wan to want remind ourselves how
it's the land that we are as people and how
like we've people of the land as well, too, Like
it's just that's just so so gorgeous and like, you know,
like honey land Honey, I really like, I really rock

(27:12):
with us, especially saying right like growth is always gonna
be outside, right, I think it's like so much implants.
Right's about the idea of roots, like the roots, what's growing,
like the most that has to really spread itself out
before you grow above and so I just love but
right like, there's so much about like growth and to
them to that that that you nurture and you and
you water and you feed and you sunlight to that
way it booms onto even even more so I love

(27:34):
that so much that I love especially because your work
has bloomed so much as has booms much as well too, right,
Like your work has gone from plant caring guidance and
now you have you know, you have these maybe maybe
alcoholm cash phrases, right like I'm just gonna sae lately,
I've been experimenting with dot dot dot right, and you
come out with whole fashions, great productions, and powerful moving words.

(27:57):
I'm curious to ask you, what in your conversations did
you have with yourself when you just had to step
in step in front of the camera right when we
decided to bloom from just the plants to fully centering
your body style and voice.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Can I before before you get into it, can I
ask if anybody's walked up.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
To you and be like, are you that plant nigga?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Like I.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Love anybody, I love it. I would like to know that.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
I would like to know that, Oh my god, I've
gotten uh plant bitch.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I'll never forget. I was hosting Harlem.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Pride last summer and I was like walking around to
see the vendors that were there and thanking them for
being there for them the hot day, and I was like,
let me just go and talk to all the people
who are out here, you know, trying to grow their
businesses and how can I support it?

Speaker 4 (29:01):
So I went and bought you things and uh, yeah,
this woman came up.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
He was like, you the plant bitch.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
That ship was so funny.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
But yeah, it's it's often that I get Yeah, you know,
people recognize me. It's still I don't want. It's a
lovely experience being able to connect and exchange energies with
people that I would have never met if it wasn't
for my social media presence. And I'm a regardless extrovert,
like I love meeting new people and I love, you know,

(29:37):
just stopping folks and just having a conversation.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
How today going good? You look great, awesome, you enjoy
your day. But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Social media is so interesting. I know what I'm doing.
I know that I'm what I'm doing with intention. It's
it's always surprising to me that people I don't know
what it is and maybe it's like, you know, just
something in my head. But it's always surprising when folks
are like, oh my god, you're your plant queen. Hi,
what's up? And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I

(30:07):
guess I don't know. It's not it's like I know
what I'm doing, but it's still a nice, lovely surprised
when those moments, I can't it's hard to describe.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
It's hard to describe.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I can.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I will say I've been places and me and Jordan,
You've had this experience to this, You've shared it with me.
But like I'll go places and people will go Joho
you and Joho you and Joho like they know they
know us together on the show. Although well you're jo
Ho's co host, aren't You And it's just it's funny
to be in spaces when people do that. But I
think to your point, I think one of the things
I love about that and kind of to you know,

(30:44):
your point or to the question you're asking, Jordan, is
you know this idea of just shifting it's more than
just plants, right, Like people know you for the plants,
but I think people also know you for and I
think that's what made me love and start following you too,
was this now of it was more than just being
like wow, look at the beautiful visuals or look at
the things that you say around growth and plants and

(31:07):
all of that.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's the energy.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's a beautiful energy that you radiate in your videos
that remind people how beautiful the world can be, how
beautiful the process of growth can be. And I think
that for me is you know what people connect with
more than anything, and that's when you see like, oh,
it's working, No, it's it's it's yeah, it is working.
Because obviously there's a lot of strategy behind everything that

(31:30):
we do. There is a lot of intention, But like
I said, I think for me, it's just really seeing
like people people seeing you. It's just a reflection, right like,
it's just literally or you're reflecting the beautiful energy back
to people.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And I just love that.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I genuinely, genuinely love that. I was gonna say, you know,
kind of to wind down our convo. You know, you
described your home as a jungle, and you know, a
very calm jungle is sounds, which I love because again,
ain't no.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Every plant that you see behind me is fake. I
can't do it.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Honor people who can. I just I've never had it.
My mama don't have it. Nobody my grandma did. I
think my grandma and my auntie do they have They
literally the greenery loves them. But for me and my
mama never was never a thing. But with that being said,
you know, I think a lot of what your home
has become for you is an affirming space in a

(32:22):
world that often feels hostile at the intersections of your identities.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
So what I would love to know is, you know,
as you think about the work you've done, the work
you are currently doing, and the work you're going to
keep doing, what does self advocacy look like in a quiet,
everyday choice you make to protect your space.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Oh, I mean, I think it can manifest in a
bunch of different ways. Boundaries is one of them, right, And.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
So I often, you know, in terms of like, you know,
the theories of quote that I hear on Monday.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
I'm just going to say it.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
These are often things I'll hear out in public, or
I'll be a witness to or how I read, and
I kind of jot those things down for myself and
I'm like, Okay, well, if I needed to hear this,
there's probably other people that need to hear this too.
So that's like, that's where a lot of this, you know,

(33:21):
motivational content has come from.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
It is stuff that I needed to hear.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
And social media is social, right, and we are in
times when we need more of that, especially for black
and brown body, especially for black, queer, trans, non binary
bottle bodies. It's important that we are allowing moments of
introspection and self reflection. And so when it comes to

(33:49):
self advocacy, boundaries are bridges and are the best ways
for people to reach you.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Right, I'm saying no is uh no no and just
leaving it at that. Like when I say no, there's
no explanation because it's not a debate.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Like no, I'm not respond I'm just saying yeahirl, Like there's.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
No real this is not I am not kamala, I'm
not baby, I'm not here to debate you.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Like he's not going back and forth. There's no more
words like I don't know, yes and then hello and
then you know.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
In terms of those uh, everyday decisions, I think it's
you know, figuring out what are the things that fill
your cup?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Right?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
And I'm a big band of having a menu of
self care options, right because again, part of the self
advocacy is that self preservation, like how are you caring
for yourself that's not reliant on other people? However, we
can't always water ourselves, and so community care is always

(35:13):
important and necessary, and I think we need to give
ourselves grace in those moments when we're unable to care
for ourselves and feel okay with asking for help.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Right.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
So yeah, So I think it's it's a few things,
but boundaries and saying no has been the people pleaser. Honey,
oh lord, I'm recovering undercover.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Oh the lover. Hello, Oh my god, when y'all get
to New York, please let me.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Know you know you know I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Here, Yes, And that's that's that's my ALTI that's what
I call my autism because I know I'm a little autistic.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
And that's literally me.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Anytime I hear songs or I hear anybody mentioned something,
I'm going I'm going to chime in.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So yes, yes, Joe knows that about me. Is that
I am for ever singing a song.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Oh my god, Oh my god. Yes, New York were together.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Literally I love it here the best day of the week.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I was suppned to say as well, because like what
like you also do things through this like really this
big lens of a gorgeous joy but like it's like
it's fun, it's joyful, like it's like it's sleep. It's
like like like like whenever I see the videos of
you do like when you when you do when you
like you a big.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Ol' colp, the little folder you little walking uhh, I
just I live. I'm like, oh, you know it's gonna
be good, right.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Like like you and one like I feel like you
have that you have like technique of people in down
as well too, but you but I think it's also
like you like the way you move with so much integrity,
the way you move with so much, the way you
move with so much like like like because it's not
just advised, because it's like you're giving it to yourself
as well as give to others. And then that is

(37:25):
what also others about self self obvious is that you
are also digesting and demonstrating like what it means for you.
And I think that's really special with what you do
is that you like what you're doing is never prescriptive
to others because it's also to yourself. Like then, like
you like it's a message to all of us, and
you're saying, I'm including this message that to me is
such a great, beautiful reflectionable looks like to actually practice

(37:47):
the obviously, because you're saying, like this is interest for you,
it's it's for me as well too, and I and
the more I liberate myself, the more you can liberate
yourself as well, which is really.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
So thank you. I hate that thank you.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
If y'all don't mind, there's this one quick story. So
I spent over a decade working in education. So a
lot of my work was advocating for black and brown
marginalized students to have the resources they deserve to have
the most fulfilling educational experience, whether that was in high school,

(38:25):
community college, a four year institution, whatever, and so a
lot of my work was there. So right after grad school,
I worked for an LGTQ plus nonprofit as a college
counselor and first full time job. I've always been very
unapologetically myself and always like pushing the boundaries of what
professional professionalism is. And I was like, let me play

(38:49):
and show up. I was like, this is l GTQ
plus space, babe, So like I'm not And so, you know,
I was just being meet right, And you know, I'm thankful,
grateful to have a family that allowed me to really
just be playful and imaginative with how I showed them right,
so very black. That was the foundation for me that

(39:10):
has allowed me to you know, exist that this person
I am today and to continue to experiment with how
I show up. And so I had a student come
up to me and they were like, you know, like,
I've never like you're a college counselor, you're an adult,
and I've never like the way you dress and the
way you show up and you still know your shit.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
It's like you you showing up.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Fully as yourself has given me permission to do the
same thing, Like it's an invite.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
You invited me to try out different scenes. And so
it was that moment. It was that I kid you
and I it was that very moment.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
But I was like, Wow, there's power and showing up
authentically because that's an invi to other people to do
the same thing. And so what you just share like
that gave me goosebunks and it took me back to
that that conversation that I have with that student.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, but you ken if I can, and I know
we probably need to break this segment up, but I
was gonna say that reminds me of the story.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't know who it was.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I forget the name of the person, but I remember
hearing a story similar to Andre Leon Tally. And I
don't know if you've ever heard that story, but there
was a student who was working I think at a
fashion institute and I think Andre Leon Tally had walked
out the building and the same kind of interaction happened,
and they said it was Andre who gave them the
opportunity to see themselves and how they wanted to show
up in that at that Institute, and I share that

(40:38):
story because I think that's the thing that is so
powerful about And again I say this about all lanes,
not just this show, but I say any show where
we're subverting what we're subverting. Media in the sense of
media has traditionally always been white and hetero center right
or heteronormative centered. And I think when you have shows

(40:59):
like Black Fat FIM and you have other shows that
are on our network, you know, keep it you have
or keep us not on our network. But when you
have other shows like that you have, uh, there's there's
a ton I can't think of them. What I'm saying
is you're you're giving people an opportunity to see themselves
in a way that they have not been able to
and there's some there's so much power in that.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And I think it also is the thing.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I bring that up because I think about you know,
I know I don't know you from Adam, but I'm
thinking about the legacy you're going to leave behind, like
you're you are literally leaving behind a legacy that is
going to tell another black queer kid, however they identify
in the diaspora, that they have the right to not
only show up but to take up space and to

(41:42):
be happy in doing that. And that's the thing I
actually have learned from following and watching you is you know,
just like there's just this innate joy that you carry.
And I, like I said, and I know that social
media is so curated and everybody can see what they
want to can show they want to show, and people
can see what they want to see on social but

(42:03):
oftentimes I can always tell when a person's not being
genuine even in their content.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I'm like, something about that girl is not right. And
I've never gotten that from you.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I've never never once thought that what you were doing
was putting on And so I say all with that
to say, I just I always say there are people
in this world who are literally touched by an angel.
And I'm talking Dela Reese, Honey, you're one of them.
You're one of them, Like you literally are one of
the people that you are literally touched by a higher power.

(42:36):
And I think you know, when I tell people, and
I've set this on the show before, and I've set
this to other people and I'll keep saying it, they
are literally angels on this earth. And I believe in
my heart that you're one of them. I genuinely believe
that your work is ordained. It's something around us said.
You are one of the people that are gonna get
picked to do something important for people, and that's why

(42:57):
people show up for you the way they have.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
That's why you're you're you're doing so well. And I'm
just really grateful to know.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Like again, like I said, I don't know you from Adam,
but I know in my heart that you're one of
the people that the universe has picked to say You've
got it and I don't know what that fool it is,
but you have it, and so I just went I
felt the need to tell you that both on the
air and for you to carry.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
That with you.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank You're about giving me the emotion.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
It's it's real. Yeah, it's real.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Well, nno that you know, no, that we've given our plant,
our plant queen of a moment to restore their chlorophyll.
It's trying to take this hundred tend your personal garden
with a quick break and come back with some more show.
And this won't be about Benito.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yes, all right, y'all, So we are back with the segment.
Y'all have y'all.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I love that. I love that people are writing it
and be like, oh, I love that. We are definitely
getting into what's popping. You already know what it's gonna
be about. Today we are talking about the Benito Bowl
and what I wanted to do. So I didn't really
want to get into this conversation from a place of like, oh,
let's break it down and let's talk about the semblance.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
We all know what Benito was saying. We all know
what Benito was was was you know, uplifting and was trying.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
To basically well.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Understand but you know, facts, facts, and witch when you're right,
I'm with you when you're right. But you know what
I mean, basically, we all the right people got what
Benito was trying to say, and and I I appreciate
you know that who's the man who performed last year?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
What's his name? Kendrick Lamar?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Thank you? Uh?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Kendrick kind of set that tone and Benito followed right.
Benito said, you know, the black black people have something
to say last year. Now let next folks gonna have
something to say this And I love that. I love
that they followed, but I really wanted to kind of
dig into you know this idea or I wanted to
engage this thought around the performance, but more I wanted
to ask, in what ways did you see your own

(45:13):
self reflected or not reflected in the imagery, guess in
the storytelling in the show. Now I will say this,
I I get it, but I don't get it why
Stephanie was there. I I still don't understand why she
was there. However, from what I've learned in the past week,

(45:34):
I've learned that Benito loves her, So.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I think there is this what.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
I love how you refer.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
What you mean? You mean Stephanie, that white lady, that
Italian white lady. No like even if and I was
with a whole bunch of niggas during that performance too.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
We looked at it and said, what a fuck is
shit here?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Again later on down in the week, people were like,
oh bad Bunny loves her. That's the reason why she
said at his table at the Grammys, And I was like, Okay,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Okay, there's some levels to that.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I mean, I'm saying if I was an artist and
I was doing the Super Bowl, I would bring out
dua lipa.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I don't care how black my performance was I love
Dua Lipa. I'm bringing her out. I'll bring Britney out
because I like Brittany, so so yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
But anyway, so all of that to be said, I
would love to know your thoughts, how you saw the
show or how you get it. I will say for me,
and then I'll pass it to you Christopher, and then
we'll throw it to you Joho.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I will say for me.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
One of the things that I really appreciated, you know,
outside of all of the notes that I have about
basically every single moment of that presentation. And I even
want to shout out, I saw a clip this morning,
so there's a certain spot when Benito was with the camera,
the camera was like following him at the beginning. That
actually was a very intentional shot. And that shot was
created by a black man. I don't know his name,

(47:04):
but I will say that that shot, it actually started
in Spike Lee's films. Like Spike Lee is known for
doing it in his films, that actually was done and
started by a black man. So shut out black history.
You didn't know you needed. But all that to be said,
I appreciated just the intentionality of it all, mainly the
moment with the two men dancing on the truck, I

(47:25):
was like, okay, how you doing the.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But also during the marriage sequence, there were two women
dancing together. So there was just a lot of queerness
in the performance, even without it having to be like
outrightly queer because he I mean, he could have had
two LATINX people, you know, two LATINX men, two LATINX
women getting married, and that could have been a bigger thing, right,
But there was just subtle queerness moments that I was like, Okay,

(47:53):
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But then then when.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Ricky, when Uncle Ricky popped up, I said, Okay, I
said this, this is this is how you do it.
I said, this is how you make a bigger statement
without it needing to be a moment by having Ricky
Martin pop up, that for me was just there was
something to be said about Uncle Ricky being there, So
I just wanted to put that out there. I think

(48:15):
the last thing I want to say is like the
moment where I actually got really emotional. It wasn't even
just the performance of a portmance break and y'all know
how I feel about a detail. But I will say
the moment when he handed the little boy, the Grammy.
That is where I literally lost it because and I'm
getting almost choked of talking about it because I think
about little Jonathan, I think about myself as a baby,

(48:37):
and it's not lost on me, Like how I sometimes
will look at my book just randomly, like I'll walk
through my house and I'll see my book and I'm like, Damn,
I did that. Or someone will mention the podcast and
I'm like damn. Like or I'll catch our awards, you know,
I'll just randomly be coming into my office and I'll
see the awards and I'm like, yo, like like I
did that, And little Jonathan never thought that I be

(49:00):
here like in this, you know, doing this, like it's
just it's a thing. But I also want to say
it's not lost on me how he won a Grammy
on Sunday and did the super Bowl the following week after,
like come on, like dreams do come try and yes,
you go through hell to make those dreams happen. And

(49:20):
I'm sure, like I know his life has not been easy,
and I know he's probably experienced a lot, but I
just all of that is there's so much symbolism in it.
There's so much love and I'm just such a big
fan of what he does and what he's going to
keep doing. From what I understand, I'm just gonna say,
my dreams may be delayed, but they are not denied.
And that is literally what I got from that performance.

(49:43):
Your dreams may be delayed, but they are not denied.
And so go off the detail. But what are your thoughts, Chris,
you got the thing?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Oh no, yeah, no, obviously the queer symbolism was all
through out. I did really watch. I'm not I'm not
a sports girly.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I think I've been to one basketball game, one doctor game, and.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I think every sport just to watch.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah yeah, and so invite me to the box.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
Love a box box, people watch look at the tree,
doubt that.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And so for me, I I enjoy uh like people watching.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
That's I like seeing other people enjoy themselves and get
into the theatric like that's what sports are like.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's it's theater in a different way.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
And I think for that performance, outside of the intentional
queerness uh throughout it, I think the decision to you.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Thing in Spanish.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Throughout I think was very lovely and as the person
with the hearing loss I can only watch television.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
With the subtitles.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, yeah, And so I think that I felt included.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I was like, oh, like, there are subtitles and I'm
following along, like I don't need to prompt my television
to provide this.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
So that was that felt really really nice, and I
hope there was.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
I don't know, I hope folks that don't rely on
subtitles or don't necessarily think about the inability to hear
or to make out clearly when we're witnessing something like
what it feels like to be on the other side
of that, right, And so I think that was a
very lovely powerful moment for me to be able to

(52:00):
see the subtitles there and being like, wow, this is
something that they're providing, and this is something that I
you know, like like if you don't speak Fanish, you
got to read these subtitles, right, And so I think
for me that was like a big moment that allowed
for a little more introspect that I hope folks didn't
just throw out the window. But having to rely on

(52:23):
subtitle to follow through a performance is something that I
do on a daily basis, and I think that's the
experience that other folks had to if they didn't speak Spanics,
that they had to engage with as well.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
So I thought that was a lovely moment too.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah you know, I you know is their first other question, John,
I mean, like, how do you see any reflection in this?
Like I like, I I want to be really intentional,
like acknowledging that this isn't right, isn't mind any in
that way? And so I you know, like I don't
want I don't want to be like like so many
folks for like so many folks, especially folks who are

(52:59):
not like the Weekend we're like like recalizing recklizing went
into them, and I want to make sure I don't
approach that right, Like I want to be an accomplished
but not someone who like co op something right. So
but like so like I think the things I was
really really like like moved by I think one because

(53:19):
I I want when I had watched he made a
short film based off the album Deyotos, and the short
film like like like like explored where he is from
and like it's if the story, like the story follows
this man who like he it's like him trying to

(53:40):
adjust to life feels really it's really powerful and like
the you like like he he wakes up, he goes
to town, and he goes into town. He like he
goes to buy coffee, but the coffee only only takes tap.
It doesn't do cash now anymore. And so and so
and so he's stuck. He's like, it's like you take
cash last week, Like oh now it's said tap only system.

(54:01):
And he's like, well, I I have the cash, I
just don't have the phone to tap, Like what can
I do? And like, well you do, you can't buy
the thing. So and then somebody like comes and its
like and and and it's like it's like sorry, I
got you, Like he taps it for him and said Andy,
and the and the guy. The guy's like here, I
give the cash and he's like he's like, no way, fine,
Like I understand, and like it's it's frustrating that we're

(54:22):
living in a world's the country being gentrified and we
can't we can't keep up with it. And it's and
it sucks when like we aren't in the tools to
the adjust here and so and was a special between
between him as this as this older nicative of Puerto
Rico and probably the younger person who like who also
is native to it, but like you know, like as
a younger person is adjusting to what's happening, but also
making the point of like right of like you have

(54:44):
you have all this nostalogia and you have all this
beauty nostalgia and you know, and like like he was
said that he misses like he like he misses when
when these guys would ride down the street blasting music
because it made him feel like they made him feel
like the sounds of Pertho Rico were all around him.
And so I think I loved the imagery of turning
turning the field into Puerto Rico in that moment. I'm
not sure that I really appreciate right from kendrick promance

(55:04):
last year was that they didn't they didn't build a stage,
like the whole field was the stage, and I think
it makes it an immersive art experience, you know. I
I think about that when Beyonce for the Beyonceble on Netflix.
I think about when when when with Kendrick doing doing
this because it one showsually immerses you into something different

(55:25):
than just then just like just like the stay interesting
a stage, I think having all the people be different
grasses was really cool him walking through different like like
like different parts of like the bodyo and like seeing
like seeing the neighborhood right seeing like like like seeing
the like seeing the like Julia vendor Is seeing seeing
the like the like Taco standing up the whole lot rightly.

(55:46):
That was trying write like him.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Havn't I know?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Part of his story is that he has this like
he has this like he has like a scene that
that people will will dance around having Jessica Alba, Cardi,
b uh Uh karol g Young Nika right having you
have folks that represent different parts of lout in America
as well too.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I was like, just like, but what did she doing?
That was right, what the fuck is you doing here?
When I saw what the fuck is she doing here?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
But I love I loves looking into her Mexican roots
like love live up love that for her, you know, Okay,
Like I think it was really like I think special
on that was special seeing that it was special seeing
like like like like him saying right like like like
you so so many of the United States has tried

(56:32):
to collie Puerto Rico, but like, Puerto Rico is actually
a gorgeous place, and I want to show you how
beautiful it is by bringing it here to that was
that's amazing. I definitely think having Rickey Martin seeing uh
locally Abaso, Hawaii was really amazing because that song is
about what happened in Hawaiian education right now. He doesn't
want that to happen in Puerto Rico. So I think

(56:53):
that was really amazing too. And Ricky Martin write like
like a queer Puerto Rican singer who is who's purposes
like is famous, but like hasn't been propelled in some
way like because of sexuality, right, I think having him
sensation is really amazing with that. I think having Miss
Gagita was really was like I think went about I

(57:14):
think like like I I I think it's not just
that he lovely that loves loves, but also that one
a lot of people are like like we want some English, right,
so like there's like there's English singer and she and
she represents like the things that like the government hates
a lot too, Like she's the white person that GM
also hates.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
And so I think, like you when she has.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Always positioned herself I think as an advocate accomplice in
this work in some way she can as a celebrity,
so I think, like, I think there was some strategy
to having her. I I still was like, I mean, god, okay, sure,
yeah yeah, but but but but also great, right she's
and she's saying that death that's mile, which is go
written by her and Brine mars and Marshes also is

(57:55):
also Puerto Rican as well too, so it's like, okay,
like I see some like connections here. I think that
was really amazing. I definitely think that giving the Grammy
to his younger self was absolutely beautiful. I really I
love I think him rounding off every Latin American country
that to me, like the ending was the ending was
so dope, like to see that, because what a way

(58:18):
to say, like like like what when you say America,
you have to include every single country in North and
southern Central America. It's not just the United States now. Really,
I deeply valued him making that apparent to all of us,
right like because because like people who people who who
are from the countries like like like they already know

(58:40):
that it's it's it's it's us, like us people who
think we're the only America here and I really love
him saying like I'm gonna put into your showing you
to your face, like it's not just you all, we
are all like right, but on the football I think
it said take together, we are America. I thought that
was amazing. I appreciate that he ended with DTM, DTM,

(59:01):
deputy ons, I wish you something more because it was
more different songs, right, but that the entire song is
about the idea.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
It says that the transitions I should take more photos
and like in like in like in like swimming in
nostalgia and saying like I should take more photos and
in part more and more memories. And I think ending
on that so much about nostalogia in past. I think
it's a great way to say, like I should do
more photos, but also in a moment to say, this
is our present and this actually can be our better
this can be our better future if we want it
to be right and if we all get behind that

(59:30):
as well. To requires our government to stop being just
not being pung as bitch. Isn't actually like the right
or well, let's just say ourgument shouldrade people in the
first like agment should have we sh have a new
goverment in the first place, but like, really it's all
about like this, this is what this is what could
be our world, This could be our new our new America,
and our America that includes that really is including everyone
from from Canada all the way down to know I'm

(59:51):
not sure you're definitely what's what country is up towards
the bottom of South America, but like, yeah, so I
thought that was incredible to me saying it was so beautiful.
I think what I also say is I hate seeing
people is like everyone people are like, I must now
go to Puerto Rico and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
No, no, that is not what do that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You're like a need to do that? Telling you there,
and so saying, you know, I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
This questions of folks because I know folks who are
like who also want want to go to Hawaii a
lot and Puerto Rico and they and like they they're
their pushback is like what I'm supporting tourism, and I
I'm like, have you considered just sending money to the country,
Like do you have to go to the country to

(01:00:47):
send them money? Would you just be like, hey, what
are the local shops here? Can I just like That's
what I'm curious about, and and I wish people like
I'm like, you don't need to make a vacation of it,
because because like vacation actually won't help people, won't help
them at all. The action might ruin them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
But really, if we really dig into it, I mean, Hawaii,
this point won't stand. But if we dig into like
why people go to Puerto Rico, it's because it's cheaper.
And that's one of the things that people have been saying,
like you want a vacation that's cheaper at the expense
of us having to spend cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I don't understand why cheaper either. You understand that they're
cheaper because we we we as they're like owner of
a country, are give them last resources. We are not
supplied them the racources need to thrive. We are taking
their economy like it's so much and it's deep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
And I like to your point, Joho, like I I
definitely don't want to take this moment to take away
from what the symmetry and the importance of it. But
I definitely think the thing I kept thinking about was
seeing all of the people who were upset about it
per se. The biggest thing for me was to take
away was you're not smart and you don't want to

(01:01:56):
have to think. It's so a big part of the
reason and why you have such a problem with this
is because this is going to challenge a lot of
the stuff that you want to overlook and that you
don't want to have to engage. And so, you know,
the same reason why our country is trying to tear down.
And that's why what my students I teach at and
I everyone knows that I teach, and I tell them,
you know, when I'm talking to them, when we're in
conversations about certain things that we're reading or certain you know,

(01:02:19):
theories and concepts that I'm bringing to them, I'm constantly
saying the reason why education was the first target of
what we see is because people hate knowing the truth.
Education is going to always bring the truth. And so
what we saw bad Bunny do is he use truth
as a art, as a means of truth. And so
everyone is mad at him for that very reason because again,

(01:02:42):
niggas don't read and niggas don't want to be and
that's a big part of it is just so much
of what he did was putting everything that they have overlooked,
things that they don't want to talk about, things they
don't want to see. He put it in their face.
He basically said, for thirteen minutes, you're gonna have to
deal with the fact that you are privileged and that
you only want to go to Puerto Rico when it
benefits you. But you don't want to take a time.

(01:03:04):
You don't want to take the time to talk about
the fact that they still don't have no power, that
they still don't have a lot of the means that
they that they need. The fact that that Domino, let's
call Domino out on this, that they colonized parts of
Puerto Rico for sugar and they still are doing it
and no one's saying anything about it. Okay, girl, get
off you're mad at me because this is thirteen minutes

(01:03:24):
where you have to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
All right, girl whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
But anyway, all of that to say, Benito, your people,
your team, and I want to recognize to you because
I think oftentimes when celebrities do things. I've said this
about Beyonce too, people say, oll, Beyonce so smart, Beyonce
so yes, Beyonce is the nucleus, but there are still
thousands of people around her who help make all of

(01:03:48):
the dreams and the visions that Beyonce have come true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
So I want to shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I don't know these people by name, but I also
want to shout out the production folks, because just as
much as Benito may have had a vision and an
idea and a thing of what he wanted to do,
it still took thousands of people to stand there in
green shrubs to be able to make Puerto Rico on
that field. It took a whole bunch of people to
film it, it took recording. There's a million people who

(01:04:13):
went into making that happen, So I want to make
sure that I give them credit to So all that
to be said, shout out to the twenty twenty six
Super Bowl. Yes, I know there are a lot of
people who hate what the NFL stands for, and I
get it, and that is real too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
We can talk about both at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
We can talk about how terrible the NFL is, but
we can also talk about how important it was for
Benito to do what he did with the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Platform that he had at that event. So want to
name that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
But anyway, all that to be said, now that we
are trying to learn the lyrics to many of Benito's songs.
I only understood a few lines, but I swear I'm
gonna dance anyway. We're gonna take a quick break and
we're gonna come back to y'all's favorite segment, Yes Ma'am
and No Man will Potest. All right, y'all, So we

(01:04:59):
are back with the last segment of the show, y'all's
Favorite segment, Yes ma'am and No Man, Pam.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
And this week, I'm coming in kind of hot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Because there's two things that I think are really important
that we definitely need to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
So I'm gonna start with the good news.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
As you all know, with our Yes ma'am and No ma'am,
this is the segment where we definitely get into the
things that we love or the things that we absolutely
can't stand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So this week for my.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Yes ma'am, I want to shout out something that is
local for us here in southern California is happening in
our backyard and it is also being used to mirror
a lot of the stuff that we're seeing in other states.
So I definitely just want to say pay attention because
a lot of the stuff that we're seeing pop up,
and we're seeing happening, i e. Stuff happening in Minnesota,
the stuff that we're seeing happen, and a whole bunch

(01:05:41):
of different places with ice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
All of that is just they're planning.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Everyone's planning, and so this was one of the one
things that was specifically targeting trans people that folks were
using here in southern California to be able to try
to model as a US thing, and it basically it's
not happening. So, for those of you who don't know,
tstol versus river Side Unified School District is a federal
lawsuit filed back in November of twenty twenty four. Now
keep in mind that this was filed in twenty twenty four,

(01:06:08):
but it was on the heels of the outing policy
that started in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
AB twelve sixty six, which follows AB twelve fifty Your
girl is smile over here, she knows.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
AB twelve sixty six alleges that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
It violated Title nine and the fourteenth Amendment by allowing
transgender female athletes to compete on a girls' teens kind
of in the same vein of A nineteen fifty where
they were talking about this idea that trans people shouldn't
have rights to be able to protect themselves in schools
and blah blah blah the outing policy. If you're not
familiar with the outing policy, please follow it, please stay

(01:06:47):
aware of it. It is very much a big deal
and there are still a lot of litigation around this
outing policy that's still popping up here, not only in California,
but other states like Texas and also Arizona. Anyway, all
that to be said, back to abe TA twelve sixty six,
the suit claims planings were displaced from opportunities aiming to
restore sex space protections my and I've been interviewed for this,

(01:07:09):
both for my job and also for this podcast. I
have said, if the dolls who are sis gender are
upset that the trans girls are taking a spot, then
you need to step your pussy up, because trans girls
are not the reason why you're not making it onto
a team. More, slow ass time is the reason why

(01:07:29):
you're not able to make it on a team. But
that's neither here nor there. You need to work out
a little bit more. That's just all I've said, and
I will.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Keep saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
But anyway, this lawsuit aims to restore sex space protections. Well,
the good news is a motion to dismiss was filed
by the state and the school district, specifically in San Diego.
Was it with San Diego No, I think it was Riverside.
Riverside County was the one. There's another. There's something else
that's happening in San Diego County around basically trans folks

(01:07:59):
be able to get their health. That's another good thing
that actually came out yesterday. I don't know if you
saw that, Jordan, but basically there was a trans health
clinic that was shut down a couple of weeks ago. Well,
the judge in San Diego basically said that they have
to stay open and operate and provide services until March tenth.
So that's another good thing that came out of this.
Oh yes, the girl, yes, yes, so just good. The

(01:08:23):
trans girls in southern California are eating. Emotion to dismiths
was filed by the state in the school district with
hearing schedules in the US District Court for the Central
District of California, basically saying, y'all don't have a case,
get the fuck out of here, stop wasting my time.
So all that to be said, I want to say this.
This is a yes, maam, And this is a very
long yes, ma'am. I'm saying yes, ma'am because there's so

(01:08:45):
many people who keep thinking, what is a protest gonna do?
What is me writing my congress people going to do?
What is me marching going to do? What is me
getting on social media and talking about this shit gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
It's gonna do exactly this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
It's going to get to judges, it's gonna get to
our congress people, it's gonna get to our senators, it's
gonna get to the people that have positions of power
to tell them that they cannot take our rights away.
And so, yes, these might be small blips in a
very fucked up system right now, but the reality is
is that it's our voices, our work that's telling these
people that you are not gonna take our rights away.

(01:09:22):
And so I just want to I cannot stress this
enough for the trans dolls who listen to this show,
Please keep using your voice. Know that we're out here
caping for you, pushing for you, literally saying you are,
you're seen, you're loved, you are you're reveled, and I'm
just so happy that this motion has been struck down.
So yeah that I guess that's my long way of

(01:09:44):
saying shake titty, shake titty, shake titties, as we do
here at.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The Black fatfam Show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Now my nomn PAM, which is I don't want to
spend a lot of time on this, but I just
I want to say a swift fuck you to whoever
thought that Maha commercial with uh was it Tyson?

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Is his name, Mike Tyson?

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
That was Maha initiative Honey to make America Healthy Again.
But I got questions because a person who is supposed
to be at the top of this initiative just said
that he did coke off of a toilet seat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
How in the fuck are you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Supposed to be making America healthy again when the person
who's running the initiative ain't healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
He said he got brainworms. He said, what what now?

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
What? What is this? What?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
What are we living in?

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
What this this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Like y'all are terrorizing us to death and didn't want
to talk about eat healthy? But then you also want
to say, like, I don't know if y'all saw this,
but this came out yesterday the time you all hear this,
It'll be about a week. They are basically saying that
bodega's now have to charge it something to the idea
of like like they have to carry double in order

(01:11:05):
to be able to be able to use EBT or
whatever the case. Maybe like something has to go up
in terms of produce. It's there's some sort of correlation.
And I didn't read the story enough to be able
to fully understand what's happening. But basically, they are penalizing
people who live in areas and in food deserts with
not being able to use their EBT to buy the

(01:11:25):
food and the groceries and the produce the way that
they want to. So you keep making it more hard.
Are more hard, You keep making it more difficult for
marginalized people, specifically who need food assistance, to get the
assistance that they need.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
But then you're gonna use a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Hole what thirty second forty five second bit from a
rich man to tell us that being fat is terrible? Girl,
go fuck yourself, Like I literally am just that that's
the only thing. Like I've never told anyone to their
face to go fuck themselves. And we've talked about that
on the show before, but I have never in my
life wanted to say that to both Mike Tyson, to

(01:12:04):
that man with the brain worms, and to everybody around him,
go fuck yourself like it's just it, the the it
even it enamorates me how dumb people can be. Like
I am literally sometimes mouth the gate, just going are
we really this stupid? Are we really this stupid? And
I know the answer, but like I just I literally

(01:12:27):
like anyone who is supporting I know, I'm going off
on a random tangent, and I swear I'm gonna shut
up the people who are talking about, oh, you gotta
be nice to the people who voted, Nah, fuck you too.
Everybody who voted for this, everyone who thought that this
was going to benefit them and are now coming around
and are saying, oh, I'm so sorry. I knew he

(01:12:48):
was gonna fuck you and fuck your mama because you
voted for this. You knew you were We've been telling
you since twenty twenty two what this administration was gonna do.
Y'all didn't want to listen. Y'all didn't think fat meat
was greasy, and now we got all these stupid initiatives,
We got all these stupid people that Bondie lady, fuck
her too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I hope she im so sick of these people. I'm
just sick of them. I am so like it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Literally, I've been sitting on this all week and I
was like, I don't want to come to the mic
this hot with a guest, but I'm I'm over it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I'm just so over it. But anyway, what are your
yes man's and your no man's?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Girl?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Because I can go on for another hour.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Oh hello, sorry, no, no, no, there's no need to apologize, honey,
because the frustration with this current administration has just been
my god, unsurmountable. I'm insurmountable, unsurmountable, whatever, Chris, whichever.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
One is right, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
So my well in alignment with what you just share.
My yes, ma'am is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I've been having a lot of conversations with folks around
how you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
They feel powerless? Right, There's just so much happening.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
Constantly, There's so much chaos, there's so much, so much
to consume, and you know, capitalism is really good at
making us just stay in our lane, like, just focus
on you, just do your thing, And so I think
it's important for us to be strategic with how we

(01:14:38):
use our energy, and so something that I've been using
to kind of track.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Obviously, like federal stuff is just is a lot right now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
So I've been encouraging people to really focus locally on
what's happening within their state, what's happening within their city,
what's happening within their county.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
And a wonderful resource that I tend to use, UH
is the a c l Used website.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
And there's a website particularly called mapping attacks on LGTQ
plus right and the US state legislature. In twenty twenty six,
there has been four hundred and twenty anti LGBTQ plus
bills that have been introduced into legislature, have been proposed
to legislature, and twenty twenty six alone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
It's only February. It's only it's February. It's it's only February.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Okay, God, were hard.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I'm just like, in the world wrong, what is wrong
with y'all?

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
And you know it, it's those moments when I realized that.
And you know, I'm also reading Marcia by Tourmaline, which
is about Martin B.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Johnson, UH, and I've been favoring it. I've been favoring it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
I'm not I'm proud not to read it too quickly
because it's just it's just so good. But you see
that they are threatened by us. That's why they are
threatened by our joy. They are threatened by our ability
to be and to reimagine all the little constraints and
rules and cages they try to put put us in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
And we have burst out of those dishes.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
So I think it's hello, we have we have burst
out of them, we have turned them, we have reimagined,
and we reinvent ways for folks who exist in the
in this world, and that terrifies them. Yeah, and so
for folks who and so my yes, ma'am, is to
be strategic with your energy focus on We all have

(01:16:52):
a role to play, whether you are donating money, whether
you are protesting industry, whether you are volunteering, whether you
are impacting an individual life with you're writing to your
local politician. Figure out it's not like why are you
not protesting, it's like how you contributed. Just figure out
your way how you can contribute and trying to figure

(01:17:13):
out like what's happening locally, Just figure that out. So
that's one resource that relates to LGTQ plus population the
a c lu's website mapping attacks on LGBTQ plus rights.
That's my yes, ma'am to take a look at that,
and unfortunately a lot of those are disproportionately impacting trans

(01:17:33):
and non binary community of course.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
So that's uh the yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Then, ma'am is again, all this chaos is strategic, right,
all this chaos is they're doing this on purpose. They
want us to be tied as hell, they want us
to be confused, they don't want us to dream, they
want us to feel isolated. Like this is all strategy, y'all.
Like this is strategy, this is this is warfare. Like

(01:18:00):
this is warfare, y'all, and this is intentional.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
And so.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
My no, ma'am is to uh, do not consume news
every day like that is is yestay informed, but do
not be consumed, Like we have to make sure that
we are strategic with our energy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Our energy is precious.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Off turn that apple off, like if they're going.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
To end, you know the alternative if you're like, well,
I want to be informed, pick days and time in
those days where you allow yourself to you know, to
be informed, to read up on what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
But every day waking up to see what's happening out
in the world is going to drain your ass. Child.
Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
So that's my my No, man, we can't constantly be
consuming everything that they're putting out that they wanted to do.
They wanted to do that, they wanted to feel hopeless
and lost and confused and drained and depleted, and we
cannot let them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Do that to us. So that's that's my my yes
ma'am and no, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
I love that, thank you for saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
My yes, ma'am is to the community of San Diego,
because uh, I don't know what her role is. But
Christine noahmi where Yes, she had come, yeah, come to
Daego to do to do a little a little press
conference about ice, I believe, and protesters like protesters came.

(01:19:43):
Was that what the sirens verses came well, so first
it came to like to protest her, and then and
then the popa was like willpond sirens to block you out,
But they bought her out too, so they no one
hear her, so go out. Protesters ain't knowing hanging out
bait you. Yes, you look dumb and you sound dumber
like it's just I just I love, I love my

(01:20:05):
communitis that we're not we're not we're not here for
this ship. And then my nomaan pamis to administration for
the removal of a private fly from the Stone Wall Monument.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
And I saw that in New York.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Now now, now the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Guy is like, the stone Walls are right across the
street and that's pro property. So like the the prior
flag still flies high tenthed away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
So wait, what did you do?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Like, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Successfully? Yes, quickly, I understand the game you're playing of
like you're saying that in things by the National Park Services,
like national monuments won't have that I actually play, which
is a diabolical game. But you look dumb, like you
still look dumb because ten feet doesn't make it makes

(01:20:55):
like you're grasping straws and like like and you treat
that we're done, but we're not, like really, we're just
like okay, you look so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, you look like yeah, yeah, just being just being stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I did all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
I can see both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yes, I can see girl, what you're doing everywhere if
I also did want to shout out to this week.
I know, I know we have to wrap, but I
was gonna say, uh, mayor Mom Donnie signed in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I'm so mad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I don't live in, Mom Donnie stand, but I was
gonna say, they signed into law, another quick blip of joy.
So I don't know if you all know, but there
has been a history of kids who live in the
foster system. When they go from one home to another,
they have to oftentimes their stuff gets put into trash bags. Well,
the state of New York now requires that if you

(01:21:58):
are fostering kids that when they leave your home, they
have to have like proper luggage or they have to
have a backpack with all of their stuff in it.
They no longer can carry. They can't use trash bags
to do it. I guess it's you'll get fine for it.
But anyway to say, like, I think that's just another
piece of humanity that we're seeing. Like every time the
world tries to take an element of humanity, there's always

(01:22:19):
some type.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Of blip of love or humanity that's going to be
poured back into people. So I just I love.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
That was news for me that filled me up this
week so anyway, all I've said, I know we said
a lot this episode, a lot of feels a lot
of things. We're so grateful that you were here with us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Christopher.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Please send your thoughts if you have thoughts feedback emails
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Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
That is where more of this foolish foolishness lives.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
All that to be said, Christopher, where can our listeners
find you when they're not stalking a stocking?

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
You see what I did? Get on when they're not
when they're not looking for info from you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Where, oh darling?

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Yeah, so obviously Instagram at plant Queen, p l A
n t k w e E, and uh TikTok as well. Uh,
that's a whole other conversation, y'all. Read up on it, honey,
read up on it. I'm also on uh uh substack

(01:23:29):
blue and boldly honey because I love to write to job.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Yeah, obviously you can support the girl by purchasing a
book You Grow Girl. All right, I'm on all the
platforms typing in you spell girl, g U r L honey,
because what we like to play with language?

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Baby, But yeah, follow along a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
More coming some projects that I'm working on that I
can't wait to share with spoke coming out soon.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
But yeah, follow along, partaking some joy.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Maybe learn something about yourself and be invited to exist
unapologetically in your.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Amen, Amen, and ask for you, Queen Joe ho where
and the dolls find you and should do every week?

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:24:10):
You can find me at Joejo Dance across all socials,
my website joindance dot com. And if not that, you
can find me hiding from my cell phone because if
I get one more call at like six pm or
seven am or just any time to day that's not
like my mom, my best friends or like a dig.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Appointment, don't call me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I'm good, Yeah, I'm good for a little bit, like
just get off my line. Yeah yeah, no, now god, now, God, if.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
It's like a million dollars, okay, don't let let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, let it go. That find me, yes, let that
find me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
But it was like a collector or or like you
like you're like, uh, some work done, don't don't, don't
call me at all.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Look please yes, pleasease stay out of my mbox. If
it's for work and good money. Please find us on socials.
You can find me at doctor John Paul Online. You
can find me at ww dot doctor John Paul, where
you can learn more about my consulting, my books, catch
it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
I will be in the coming weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I wanted to shout out and say that if you
are in La in the next couple of days, actually
it's going to be next week or by the time
you hear this, it'll be this Saturday. So February twenty first,
I will be at the Allegian Theater for Drunk Black History.
I will be talking about the life and times of
Polly Murray. Come through.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Tickets are only fifteen duel has fifteen doll is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
You can go to Starbucks, you can go to Coffee Bean,
you can go all the other places you can come
see me down to the Drunk History at the Allusioned Theater.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
We want to say if you also want to see
me on Hulu, go watch me. Who am I meant
to be?

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Where I talk about the magic of the show and
the dreams that we continue to talk about in regards
to being black fat fem in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That just don't want us here, but we all here thriving. Honey,
you just gonna have to This.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Has been another show Stay black, sat Simon fabulous and
remember what, joe Hoo, we.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
May not be a cup of teaber. Girl, you need
some water because you gotta have roots before you have branches.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Bitch. Amen, you go out here, look at Dusty put
on some dough with.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
What a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is executive produced by Joey
Patt and Doctor John Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
All content related to the show is edited by Chris Rogers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
This has been a podcast by iHeartMedia and Doctor John
Paul LC the Black Fat Film Podcasts where all the
intersections of a nanny are celebrated. Honey, I know that's right.

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