You Say Fat Like It's a Bad Thing (Featuring Ronald Young Jr.)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to the vff Blackfeftfem podcast, an iHeart podcast network.
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the award winning
Blackfeffel podcast, where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.
I'm one of your hosts, John also known as doctor
John Paul. And while you were asking Christy Nolan to
borrow her husband's breastplate, I was over here taste testing

(00:25):
the pies that Burger King has now redone. And let
me tell you something, honey, Yes, yes, yes, Burger King
is where it's at. I don't know if you've seen that.
Their person, I guess they saw what happened at McDonald's.
Their CEO person jumped up and was like, this is
our time, this is our moment. So he's talking about

(00:47):
how the burgers are better now and all of the
sides are better and all of that. And so I
went down there and I said, let me taste one
of these pies to see what it's given. And baby,
let me tell you, yes, where McDonald's dropped the ball,
burger the King picked it up, honey, because that pie,
I said, Oh, and you know who else while we're here.

(01:08):
While we're here, I want you to come closer, Come closer,
come closer to the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know who that's got a real good pie that
we ain't talked enough about now. People throw a lot
of shade at this place, but I'm gonna say it,
Arby's that peach pie or Arby's my god, My god.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
You ain't lived until you had one of them beach
pies from Ivy girl.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So let me tell you this. What you do real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You go down to the Armies, you get your peach pie,
and then you you slide through the McDonald's to get
that soft served and you just dip it real nasty
and tasty together. Girl. It'll take it'll take you where
you need to go. But I just wanted to put
y'all onto something that if you slide through Burger King,
you will be blessed. With that being said, Queen Joeho,
how are you this week?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Your will say, with your participation in the food space
is unparalleled because I have not I would have never
known Burking was trying on pies.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I would have never known.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I don't know if I need to know that they've
tried not pies, but I never know urbis as well.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Either, but I love like the post you have on
the community, yes is unmatched. And then I live, I
live girls. She's this is the work right here?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, issue girls Jordan aka the Babbage Shallow, and I'm
here to remind y'all you.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Haven't yet done your taxes.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You don't get them done by fifteenth or father ascension
because I will let me impart you the big words
of you.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
TJ. He told me in circa twenty sixteen.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
I love girls, I love music and pay texts.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Every question I asked you, TJ. He'd always said the
same thing, love girls, love music, and pay texts. Pay
every question.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
You don't want to end up so.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
There this day I think about was he the heat
comment from if yees? Okay?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Because every response he end and don't get paid your taxes.
It's like we're juesy, we're kids, we're in school.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Taxes are not.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Taxes are not We're not the taxes right now we
need to know. So if you in follow yours, y'all
get yours together.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Today, get on. And I was gonna say, there's quite
a few people who can probably tell you a couple
of stories. Lauren Hill, Okay, who else was there. I
could see his face. The actor, a black actor who
just was in jail. Wesley Snipes, Thank you, thank you.
Wesley Snipes went to jail. There's a few other people too.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, and jails are really real jails, really real possibility
if you have your taxes, y'all.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Same thing.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Housewife of Atlanta what's her name's husband went to jail,
No tax of Asian Peter. Yeah, the one.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
You all up and women namen a bitch.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, the one when he got called a bitch, she
went off about it. Yeah, he went down. He went
down to the jail. House girl. But yeah, you got
to pay your taxes, especially if you make it a
really good chunk of change. With that being said, that
wonderful third voice that you heard, who helped me in
my moment of of of loss is is just a

(04:11):
dynastic Now, let me tell you real quick before I
get into introing them. I rarely fan girl about people,
but this person I am in my head. You know,
we talk about folks like you know, and we've had
them on the show. A friend of our show, kid Fury,
and a couple of Chrystal the podcast Gods right, the

(04:34):
people who started this this. This is what I feel
about this guest. This guest has been around and has
been doing their thing and has really set the precipice
of what it means to be a true storyteller and podcaster.
This person is also a cultural critic and their voice
has become a defining presence in the world of audio storytelling.
Known for his authentic conversations about art, identity, and the

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human experience, Ronald brings humor, depth, and reflection to every
space he enters. He's the host and creator of the
award winning show Wait for It and Leaving the Theater,
where he blends narrative, honesty, and sharp commentary on pop culture,
movement and belonging. I know that's right. You better talk
about the intersection of all the things. We need people

(05:16):
like this right now, especially in this moment. And I'm
so grad so glad that you and your work exists.
Ron Thank you for being on our show today. Welcome
Ronald Young Junior. How are you?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (05:27):
That was like that was like in church when they
read the guest preacher bio and you and you just
got to sit there with a straight face.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
That was me.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Just put some church music behind it.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, God, we all here today past the collection plates.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
What you know is that God is and will God
is and God will Amen.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Amen. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
That was a very kind welcome. I have two things
I need to say right off the bat. One, the
Hershey pie from Burger King is unbeaten. Yes, it is unbeaten.
I've been eating it since I was eighteen years old.
It is unbeaten. Everyone should go get one. And the
second thing is UH. I learned recently. You don't go
to jail for UH, for not paying your taxes. You

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go to jail for tax evasion, which they think you're right.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
You're right because if you don't pay them, they find
you and they like, girl paying taxes And if you're like, no,
i'm not, I'm fleeing the country, then they're like great
when you were turned based.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Evasion is when you get up and leave the country knowing.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
You have to pay when you try when you try
to avoid taxes, So avoid evading and fraud will put
you in prison. Not paying them will just get them
calling you asking you for their money.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, so just be careful, like maybe a penalty here there,
but you know exactly if you if you have the
thunb that's not the battle.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
They're like, no, you have the thune? Can you make
monthly payments? Can you? Can you give give? Can you
give us for dollars?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Can you give us her? Can you give her plan?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Not lay away lay away tax? Oh well, we have
a pleasure that I can always tell we're gonna get off.
That we do every every week.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Your flowers or a good sion, good sys, good girl?
What good guys are? Almost a good tip to our Christ? Sorry,
give flowers or a good sis miss Sisha Campbell or
mind of niggas that we sell?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
What here? That's right? We are here?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
And I want to ask y'all if you had a
chance three your fine fact in the dictionary, what would
your definitions say?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
For me? It's simple.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
It would be a descripture for body type or a
flavor flavorful component of a meal.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
A man, Yes, I love it? Wrong?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
What is the Do we know what the current definition of?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Will?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Let me find out right now? Let me just let
me just webster bage real quick.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Fat definition notable for having a usual amount of fat,
having excessive body fat, fattened for market, oily, greasy, well
filled out, full in tone, and quality, well stopped, prosperous, wealthy,
being substantial and impressive. Richie were unprofitable practically, don't existence

(08:43):
ha like a fat chance, that's funny, productive or fertile,
a fat ear for christy, stupid or foolish. He had
any sense, it's fat head, he would have done a
long time ago.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Dash in being swollen.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I got a fat lip from the fight, or of
a baseball pitch easy to hit.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, I like lou it's this plump is also another word.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, I love full in tone and quality.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I said, that's a good bridge, a gorgeous fat based
voice as it says, yes, she's well stopped a fat laughter.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I said, oh she's well stopped. Yes. Man.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
You know what's funny is that, Like I think about
the ways in which I've used fat in a positive way, Like, man, man,
that is looking.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Fat like something like that?

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Right, you think about that, there's only been it's only
been like in recent years that I've been Like, I
wonder if they know that what I'm about to say
is a compliment or this is not a like what
I'm about to say is not a bad thing. So
if I had to redefine it, I would say I
would just say, not an insult that I would have that.
You could say all the other things. You could say

(09:52):
excess body weight, all that. I don't care about any
of that other stuff. What I would say is just
not an insult.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Language is because because because if you you say, hey girl,
you have fat ass, they're like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
But if you say hey girl, you're a fat ass,
they're like, excuse me, excuse me. Yeah. Different.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
So it's that one a yeah, things you have and
you are or if you are a.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Change different everything changing everything.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yes, yes, and that and you know, and that's the
reason why I think we're gonna I think initially I
was going to say that, but the top word mean
things like we we have to be mindful of that.
But I think I putting this question here thinking about that, right, like,
how do we how could we in a perfect world
rethink about something that's in so many people's minds is

(10:44):
the negative thing? How do we see the positive in that?
And I think for me, you know, I I said
if I was going to do it, I wrote that
I was going to I would want it to be
rooted in liberation and an injustice instead of it being
used as a body descriptor so like really thinking about
it from this notion of fat having no connection to
health whatsoever, because I personally believe that folks who try

(11:07):
to connect bodily like the body, to this notion of
what it means to be fat, there are a lot
of six skinny people out there and there are a
lot of fat healthy people out there. So there's the
fat doesn't necessarily equate to someone being unhealthy, quote unquote,
So really taking health out of it, using it as
a way to look at bodily diversity, and really just

(11:28):
kind of this notion of this is a natural human form.
Some forms are bigger, some forms are smaller. It is
what it is. But I really think about this idea
of swapping out the obesity epidemic crisis language. I feel
like that would take away a lot of weight stigma,
and it also would also help kind of take away
this notion of the barriers and policies that people create

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to kind of keep fat people locked into a specific space.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
So just reminding people that fat is not a bad word.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I tell people that all the time, because I still
get people who will look at my book and they'll
why did you put fat on the title bitch because
it's not a bad word.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Say fat, fat is okay. It is okay to use
the fat word.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
But reminding people that you know you can use it
as like you said, ron like it's a positive thing.
You can say, girl, you fat, or you'll ask like
you'll ask us like thank you. That is a that
is a compliment, right, you know, like people who look
fat today, go shut up, you don't it's not it's
you know, you don't have to you know, even if.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
They if they married, the fact that like you said,
I look fat today, if if we it's our sin,
it's our and when I say that, I mean our
our nation, our world sin that is connected that we
connected bad fast.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah. So it's like we bear that weight all the time.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
And because we bear that weight of like of that
sin crime, whatever you want to call it, because we
bear the way to that crime, we can't get away
from it. So we can't say so when you say
something like you look fat today, that could just be
a fact. It could just be I look fat today
and would not be an insult if we didn't have
all of the nonsense that comes with the ways in
which we call someone fat and mean it as an insult.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's like, stop doing that, you know what. I'm like,
I like that every day and we're like, it's no,
you look great.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I'm like, and and do you keep saying like it's
a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I love the OBC epidemic because it made me think
I was I was listening actually to of your episodes
around the one that you did with Lindy West and
Margaret Margaret Thatcher Hayes.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, that's the name. Oh yeah yeah, next back and
uh and and the miche Obama will be saying, did
you call her Margaret Hayes? I definitely did. We have
to clip this and send this to her. She is
going love that.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Her name is Megan Hatcher Mays, but Margaret is her
new name on the internet tag them, Oh my god, Margaret.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Margaret Thatcher Maids is her name? Now you did it?

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Hold on because also Margaret is definitely a historical figure.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Uh wait, okay, see I'm about to tell she.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Was the first minister, first prime minister of the UK.
So I saw her name. I saw her name. I
was like, I was like, well, he got like a
really famous girl up here.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
This is the very white lady Margaret anyways mean, yeah
she was. She was called the Island. I don't know
if that's a good thing a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
But anyway, as I was saying, I live for that
moment because I'm like Michelle.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Obama, like I love the first time makes a cause
for herself.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
But her cause was to be said everyth making kids
and changing the schools, which I don't know if it
changed much honestly, to be quite honest, but the best
that came out of the experience was when she had
Beyonce with her and she made the the the the
movie Body side dance.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah but it's called movie Body and she had new
lyrics and the way that I still know that entire
dance today. Oh oh oh black history. Black history.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
It really came on in trying during a drag show
and I was like, this is not what I think
it is. And she invited everyone to like people like,
if you know, come dance. I'll say with me, I
should have went bowl too embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I was like no, no, no, no, pushing people out the
way with me and I.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Was like, yeah, anyways, now that we have reached out
to Miss Miriam Webster to tell her that words we
do mean things that she got a lot of definitions
for what Piclar word, which is.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Kind of wild.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
What did a short break and come back with Calgary
is for this week is just succession?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
All right, y'all?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
And we are black, and so for this week, we
are going to dive into.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
A beautiful it's incredible nothing that's good. You wrote that's
in the script and you said that's amazing. Yes, sorry,
I'm sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
You nailed it when you said it's a completely serious
serious yes, yes, yes, I respect, I respect your game.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I was unfamiliar with your game. Keep going. I'm sorry,
I am a professional. Hope you nailed it.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yes, we are black and I felt it and we
are black.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, no more meta commentary. It's okay, it's good. It's good. No,
it's giving us energy.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
It's like, yeah, we we love guest feed time.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes right, yes, yes, all right, we are black.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And so for this week we are going to dive
into a beautiful, complex, necessary topic that we think Ronald
will add so much flavor to yess flavor. I'm gonna
place as much question before we jump into the to
the meat. You see what I did? That question is

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are y'all turkey. Are all y'all are we fat that? Like?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Are you true?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like? I need real ham hawk in my beans kind
of person? Like what kind of what kind of when
you talk about adding fat to flavor?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Don't but in my greens? Yes, but don't. I want
to do my beans.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
I do turkey and I being I love beans, but
I'll do drinking my beans. I would do turkey neck
if you're drinking neck in the greens.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I do either or with hands or neck.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I could do vegans, depends on who makes it, like
I could depends who makes it.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
So yeah, I would say I'm over a hamhock, girly.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
The only time I have hamhocks is for the it's
for greens, okay, cam hawk family.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's as a matter of fact, I started hearing about
smoke smoked turkey, and I like it.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Either what I don't believe, Well, I don't cook, so
I don't know what. I don't know where to begin.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Pierced ut, a smell chicken neck and the cornbraad dressing.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Ugh. Oh, I will leave that to y'all because that's
something I don't do. But this week's category, we want
to explore the notion of how CIS, gender and gender
non conforming men talk about their bodies. As you all know,
I'm gender non conforming, but I ultimately respect the idea
that there are folks with me who are not, and
so I wanted to make sure that we're inclusive of

(18:27):
all the bodies. But we're talking about CIS male bodies
today and really thinking about how society and the world
often shapes those basically again shaped.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You see what I did there and what healing looks
like now, especially since it feels like we are back
in the nineties where everybody is smoking crack and just
smoking cigarettes and eating crackers. It's like baby eat something.
It just feels like we're going back withs honey. But
anyway to start, I wanted to ask you, when you
think about your relationship with your body, one of the

(19:00):
earliest messages you remember receiving about how it should look
or what it should be like.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
In seventh grade, I was playing innermural basketball, so this
would have been I would have been thirteen years old.
I think I was playing innermural basketball, and I remember
I never wanted to play shirts versus skins ever, because
I just did not want to have my shirt off.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
In front of everybody.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
And to be clear, I was a straight sized child,
so there was nothing. I gained weight as an adult,
game fat as an adult. So I was perfectly If
I showed you a picture of me at seventh grade,
you'd be like, that is a perfectly straight sized child.
It was funny because I was going to say perfectly normal,
and I feel like I was only using that because
of the internalized fat phobia. You know what I'm saying, though,

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But so I was perfectly straight sized child at the time.
So I remember we played start first skin. I took
my shirt off, and the pet were telling us like, hey,
y'all are in here by yourself, stop tripping because a
bunch of us didn't want to take our shirts off.
And I remember some girls had walked through or something
and I didn't even notice them because we were playing basketball.

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Later on, I'm in a seventh grade history class, maybe
about a week or so later, and this one girl
turns to me and says, Crystal. Crystal says she saw
you playing basketball, and I said okay, and she says,
she says, you're a fat and you have no chest.
And I remember at the time being like, and I'm thirteen,
So I remember feeling great.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Shame, just complete shame.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
And from then on at night, I would go downstairs
and I would lift my father's weights and I would
do push ups because I didn't never want to be
in a situation again where someone told me I didn't
have no chest. So at that point, from that moment forward,
I would say that would start like kind of a
disordered relationship at least with exercise, not necessarily with food
because I had a big appetite, but like a bit

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it had.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I have just this weird disordered relationship with it.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
And of course ment health magazines, all of that stuff
was starting to pile up at the time too. And
again I'm thirteen, so I'm height of puberty going into
high school thinking about girls, and I just thought that
I was supposed to be like a flat barrel chested
cock Diesel fourteen year old that's out here impressing the
ladies when we play shirts for a skin.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
So that's when it started. I love think you have
a core memory of it.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
And I'm sorry that I like, no, no really, because
it's like quick, like it's a whole memory, like I
have one of those two. But I'm sorry that I like,
I like, I was back elaptic because not because it's
because obviously it's not funny, although hindsight things, I think
it's also funny because she says, you're fat, you have
no chests, and I'm like, that's so wild because also

(21:47):
that's a paradox girl, because if I'm fat, don't have.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
A chest too, like GRCT, I was like, fat, have
no chest. So she's like, you.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Made it sound like that that that's today and so
with like you're attacking, I hate you.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
You're fat, you have no chests? Like, yeah, that was
so wild.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Yeah, but I think but also what am I supposed
to look like at thirty?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like like what should I? What should I? What?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Like?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Okay, you probably have no chest too, so what's what's okay?
What's t like? What? Baby girl?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
So what listen? I was chesty at third Team.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
And when girls are coming to me saying you like
like like girls that could could come to me and
be like your books are too big, I'm like, and
you're not big enough?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Girls? So what now?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
So like you want to be a bitch.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (22:37):
We had with our words or on the tether ball
cort Girl, which when we picked today. Yea, but but period,
I love and I love like I like the threat
of the defense of the magazine was also like so
for sure part of my experience, like like always in
those magazines, and mean, like, this body is definitely not

(22:57):
my I don't know what, however, be this body like
the young age, and I'm always has to say to
hear about especially a non qui perspective and how musculinity
most influences the perception body image because mine has always
been rooted in I mean since I was like thirteen.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Those are inquiance in some ways.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And so I want to talk to you more about
how you've carved out space to do that with your work,
right because I because like we like me and John
really only exist in these conversations Lent, it's around queer
and trans and non general performing and nonminary bodies. So
I'm curious in this pace that you that you work in,
how do you carve out how have your carved out
space in that and what challenges are you facing and in.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Doing that?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I mean, listen, I'm a I'm a a sensitive straight
cis gender man, and and just the words sensitive is
enough to other you in terms of other men, other
other straightis gender men in the group chat sometimes just

(23:59):
pushing back on some of the thoughts that people have,
any of them, like whether it be about women, whether
it be about queer folks, it automatically makes you a target.
I got to a huge fight with one of my
close friends because one of the one of the quarterbacks
in the NFL, I think it's Caleb Wilson was painting
his nails and out of his mother and he said,

(24:21):
I just don't think nail polish belongs to football. I
was like, and I was listening to him and he
kept saying it, and I was just like, I'm not
gonna say nothing. And then he says, but the NFL
is soft now, and I was like, what do you
And immediately it was like reflexive.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I was like, what do you mean by that? What
do you mean it's soft?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And so we get into it.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
We're going back and forth, and I feel like that
back and forth is kind of indicative of what any
man that stands against other men has to face, because
in order to speak up and say anything about queer folks,
about marginalized communities, about women, about any of that, to
say that, to speak against masculinity especially, and I'm talking

(24:58):
about to other black men speak against masculinity is to
be a simp, is to be trying to try to
look good in front of the ladies, whatever you're trying
to do that. So I feel like with what I
like about doing wait for it, and what I like
about even having conversations like this is I'm allowed to
just be honest. I'm allowed to just say my experience

(25:19):
state it, and allow the people who have similar experiences
like mine, like other cisgender straight men that come out
of the woodworks, to be like, I too have that experience,
and I too am struggling. It allows us to congeal
a little bit and at least see each other and
hopefully hopefully create some sort of resistance against like the

(25:40):
actual toxic masculinity. That's kind of wreaking havocs wreaking havoc
for everybody. Whenever I say, because I say this all
the time, whenever I say, men are also victims of
toxic masculinity, that's what I'm talking about. It's like because
it's like you can't even speak up and say something
without it being deemed an attack on men. So it's

(26:01):
those are the challenges I face. The way that I
try to do it is just by being as honest
as possible in the work that I present, because I
am a man saying these things, and I think it's
important for people to hear.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Men saying some of the things that I'm saying. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm just I'm processing everything you're saying, and I'm going, like,
it's really it's refreshing to hear someone like yourself share
that because I think we live in a world where men,
specifically CIS gender straight men constantly feel the need to
always like revalidate their identity or their constantly having to

(26:40):
kind of like show up in this this idea of
like I have to be more or I have to
show up. And it's like, nah, like chill, you don't
have to be terrible all the time. It's just a
lot of times it can feel very terrible. And I
just I really appreciate you saying that because it also
some of our listeners, it gives them the autonomy and
it gives them the what sort of looking for. It

(27:00):
basically allows them the opportunity to say you can even challenge,
and this is something we've been trying to say, with
the show, you can challenge the people you love to
be better, you know. And that's what I hear in
that story you're sharing, is that you're challenging someone you
love to be a better person.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
So I can also say, like as I want to say,
like I think I appreciate your your response because also
is a reminder like oh there is work happening on
like like on the Sis Mass straight side of things,
Like I intentionally do not encounter or engage in straight conversations.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I have no desire to. I have no business in this. Uh.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
And so it comes to like Bestley with traitman, I'm like,
pish posh, but I'm all but but I'm but I'm
I'm always like, are you okay? Like I said, like
you are okay, and so I appreciate you about the
curtains and and like you know, like, oh, like work
is happening there and like maybe also I could like
engage conversations with like like with the straight mass and folks,

(27:57):
I do love my life and like see checking with
them o how they're doing with everybodies as well.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Too, because I'm always like but I can't. So this
is this is a great look learning lessons learning lesson
as well too.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
So thank you, thank you, thank you for your And
I just want to say one other thing, is that
anytime that, like when it comes to queer spaces, I've
only learned in like maybe the last five to seven
years that a black queer space is safe for Ronald
in ways that white queer space is not. And so

(28:29):
even when I was invited onto this podcast, there was
no sense of apprehension or no sense of unsafety any
of that in ways that I feel like just generally
white spaces for black men, whether they be sister or
any or any other orientation, the ways that they're not
is just stunning to me. And the ways in which
I've been embraced by queer black folks who have been

(28:53):
like Ronald is one of us, He's he can be
in the room with us because he's black above everything else.
That always means something to me. And so when you
say something like avoiding straight conversations, I would say, I
would say, dip your toe out there.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
If it's not safe, of course, come back.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
But to know that there's people like me who want
to hear from you, I actually want to hear from you,
and I want to do. I want to be in
community because as a black person, I feel like if
we don't got each other, don't I don't care what
your orientation or gender expression is, Like, I feel like
we gotta work together because they're trying to get all
of us.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's fine, and I'm with you when you're right.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I've been trying to say that for years, and I've
been trying to explain to people there is no and
that comes down to a lot of what the show
is and what we've been saying since we've been on
the air. There is no liberation for anybody if we're
not supporting one another, if black people are not supporting
queer people, or if quere people are not supporting black people, like,
if we're not working collaboratively in community to try to

(29:53):
undo these systems, we are doing a disservice to ourselves.
And so that was one of the reasons why I
was so excited to invite you on because I personally
follow you and personally love your work because I go,
that's a nigga who gets it, like, like, no matter where,
no matter in the scope of wherever we're talking about,
whether it be gender, whether it be about blackness, whether
it be about identity like sexual or whatever. Like I

(30:16):
just I love people who fucking get it, and I
think so many of us are what do I want
to say or how do I want to say this?
Because I don't want to offend people. I'm just gonna
say it the way I want to say it. So
many people love to intentionally be stupid. I feel like
there are a lot of intentionally stupid people out there,
and it's like you're having to go out of your

(30:37):
way to be stupid now. And I think for me,
it's like I appreciate the people who are like, you
know what, I actually don't want to be stupid anymore.
I actually want to be I want to be smart.
I want to actually want to know and understand things,
you know what I mean person today. So it's just
it's nice to it's nice to not feel like we
have to argue with, you know, not even just you,

(30:58):
but like I know other quote unquote sis.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I shout out so many different friends. My friend Michael
was another great example of that. Who he's married and
has kids, and he's like, I can give two damns
what game I can give it. He's like, I can
give a damn what to you know gay men are doing.
He's like, for me, it's protecting them because they're my
black brothers, and I want to make sure that they're safe.
Like that's the kind of kind of energy that we
need around us. So, but what I'm really interested to

(31:22):
know from you, Ron is you know how you know
you've talked about the experience that you've had when you
were a kid, and then also even just thinking about
the ways that you've had to kind of like think
about yourself as a black man living in a world
that often sees you as a quote unquote problem, right,
and so many different variations, and so thinking about your size,

(31:45):
thinking about your experience, like how have you relearned how
to talk about your body? And I'd be more interested
to know, like how has your inner voice shifted over time?
Like like I said, I really appreciate watching you in
real time catch your work about how you were going
to talk about your body like that for me said
a lot to me in that moment, And so I
would love to know what the work has looked like

(32:06):
for you to be able to do that.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
I mean, I think I give myself a lot of grace.
I give myself a lot more grace now than I
did when I was younger. Like, I think like within community,
I think there's a way in which that like generally
we shouldn't be gatching each other like if we if
we there's a way like collectively as a community, if
we're messing up, we should just be like, hey, don't

(32:30):
do that, and that should be the end of it.
And well, I don't want to dwell in unless you
have an habitual offender. I try to apply that same
grace to me. I'm just like where to me and
my own thoughts about my body because I don't wake
up every morning loving myself. I would say it's probably
about fifty to fifty right now. In some days it

(32:50):
could be worse than that, you know. So I feel like,
but I think the one thing is that like, and
I want to try to get away this, but I'm like,
I'm a single, unmarried man with no kids, and I
want to be partnered in the future.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
But I feel like.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Sometimes the state of being single can send you messages, yeah,
just by it existing.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So meaning that just going out in the world as
a solo person.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I go to the movies by myself all the time,
I go like I sometimes go to eat by myself,
like I do a lot of stuff alone, and so
sometimes that can just reflect back to me messages automatically.
And I just have to remember to give myself grace.
And generally I'm an optimistic person. I believe things are
going to work out. I believe that I'll find my someone,

(33:46):
like all of that, right, But it's now I think
I just have to be intentional about giving myself grace.
And I think that would say I would say that's
the biggest change. When I was younger, I was way
less forgiving myself. And I sounded a lot the way
uh toxic personal trainers sound when they're like, you want

(34:07):
to you want to you, you want to do better,
you gotta try harder. Like that was a lot of
what I said to myself. You gotta die too better.
You're like, wait, but I just came here because I
just want I want to live. You gotta work hard,
you know. I sounded like like a Jillian Michael's I
was like, yeah, I know, Sorry I bleep that, Chris, Yeah,

(34:32):
don't believe.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Over here?

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Oh yeah yeah, but yes, I feel like now I'm
in a better place. But I mean it's it's a
work in progress.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean you know what it is? Every day? Yeah,
every day?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well so like alum, not.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Every day, man, every day? Every day? God like tie,
would you leave me alone? I'm trying to live change it? Yeah,
but yeah, to that point though, I am curious.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Like so, the the last question I want to ask
you for this segment is, and I'm gonna flip a
little bit. I want to know, like just the point,
what are different things that you do say to your
body regularly, especially the doorings days.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
You're not mean it is fifty to fifty for you.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
And if yourybody could talk back, what might it say
to you with all the work that you have done
and put and.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Put into it.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Oh that's a tough question. Uh, if my body could
talk back to me, what might it say to me?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Now?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I've been.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
I've been learning piano since January twenty twenty, and this
year I'm trying to commit to putting in a thousand
hours of practice.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Pray for me. I'm at sixty. I'm have been not
more than I can listen sixties more than zero. Okay,
it's period. I still I can't even do chopsticks.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I can't stop a lot of time, but I've been
committing that time, so I know there are times when
I'm playing piano and I'm just reminded that my body
is not always It's not just my chest, it's not
just my legs, it's not just my arms, but it's
also just my fingers. It's my mind, it's my eyes,
it's my ears, and it's my voice. And I think

(36:31):
sometimes I just have to lean into the parts of
me that I'm really really proud and feel good about.
And I feel like if there is an affirmation, it's
leaning into those parts of me that I love the most.
That being said, every now and then I just have
to be like naked in the mirror and just be like,

(36:51):
you know what, I like it.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, So if nobody else does that, it is what
it is.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
And then I think the other part is like it's
always affirming to be loved, to be touched by someone else,
and every now and then when that does happen, it
feels like it's it reminds me that I am wanted,
that I am loved. So when I can do it
for myself, I can. When I can't do it for myself,
I lean into the things that I want, and I mean,
I lean into the things that I love about myself,

(37:19):
and when neither of those are working, I go find
somebody that I know.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Loves me and I go from there.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't know what was I doing that reminds me.
I was just dancing in the mirror in my bathroom
the other night when I was getting off the shower
and I was I think Prince came on and it
was I think it was Erotic City and I was dancing,
and I was like, look at this big body in
the mirror getting it to Erotic City, Like Okay. You know,
you sometimes have to have a moment where you just
have to remind yourself like, yo, I'm kind of I'm sexy, okay.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
And if I can add one thing to that, I
would say there's something very like I feel like it's
almost working against the internalized fat foot for me to
be like I'm not only dancing, I'm doing something sexy,
sexual and transgressive in the mirror to myself. And it's
like and it's like even the parts of me that
I was like, WHOA, what if some what sees you

(38:12):
doing this? I'm like, did they gonna see it?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I don't know what to tell your gas body. Get
it there you go?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yes, because I was, I was rubbing on my side
and I said, oh my, my son of my thigh
is soft, and so it was just it was nice.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was real nice.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Your husband be wondering what I'm doing in there, because
I'll be in the bathroom for a minute when I
get out the shower, and most of the time I'm dancing.
Most of the time I'm looking at myself. I'm doing
a good old boom cat, or I'm really getting into
the song, or I'm in the mind of this song.
Is this song only started a couple of minutes ago before,

(38:47):
I mean a couple of seconds ago, And I don't
want this song.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't want to cut this song off. So I'm
gonna let this h Yeah, when Prince came on the
other night, I said, oh no, I said, I ain't
hurt this song in a minute. This song gonna play
all the way through.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So yeah, but I feel that I definitely want to say,
you know, before we before we go to our you know,
go to break. I think it is very revolutionary in
this moment. And I say this not just for black people,
for queer people or whatever. But I think it is
so revolutionary to love on ourselves in whatever capacity or
whatever way that we can. If it's dancing in the mirror,

(39:21):
if it's talking kindly to yourself, if it's changing a
word or frame or a phrase that you were going
to say that you knew would demean you, and you know,
and look, whatever you can do to change the narrative
around how you feel about yourself in this moment, do it,
because the world is working triple time to try to

(39:41):
make you feel like you are not a good person,
or a beautiful person, or a person that was worthy
of being here. So I just wanted to say that
I appreciate you closing out on that, because I think
more people would be so much happier if they just
looked in the mirror and told themselves, fuck what everybody
else has to say about what I'm what I'm so
supposed to look like, I look like this, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know that that is definitely okay.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
So with that being said, now that we've reminded you
that protein is not a personality trait, we are going
to take a short break and come back with what's
popping in pop culture.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Back in the second.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You were shitty for that one girl. Protein persons. That's
for all the gym girls, all the gym girl is
damn live them alone.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Damn Yes got him girl, got him?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yes, Yes, family, we're aiming at them. Well, yes, fam,
we are back and this what's popping.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
We pop culture and asked the question what the fuck
is really rom with Hollywood. We're asking when does taking
care of yourself turned to changing yourself? And this comment
was inspired by the response. We saw Jim and Carry
got a few weeks ago when he probably out the
new face and the world low key was said he
was on his hour, he was on his av Leavin
tip and was replaced with an Ai replica, which thought

(41:08):
was wild. Then then then there there was there was
that like that, that Propex person who was like, oh no, oddly,
I'm his body double.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
The world's gonna lot right now.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
So yes, we also the question that so many men,
especially for men, are having, but really say out loud,
where's the line between grooming, intentional self care and full
on body modification.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Additionally, who draws that line?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Is that your barber, your group chat, your you know,
your president benefits your hookup yours four page, Like what
do y'all, what do y'all think?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Run on? I'm a past to you first, and then John,
then I'll chime in with some thoughts. Okay, I mean
I I'll tell you what I do.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
I go to the barber, I get I get my head,
I get my head shaved, and I get my beard
shaped up. Uh he clips my eyebrows a bit. And
then I do have a skincare hair routine that I
do twice a day. And that's all I really want
to have to do for the rest of my life.
I don't want to have to do anything else out
of and I mean, go for walks for my mental health,

(42:12):
drink a lot more water, you know what I'm saying,
eat food that makes me feel good, like all that.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Like that's that's what I want to do. This other
stuff scares me.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Like whenever people say the word body modification, I'm always like,
I know that can mean a host of things. I
know it can, but like it always my mind always
goes to like the people that are like piercing rings
into their bodies so they can put a chain across
that type stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And I'm always like that that stuff just it's not
for me. It's for someone. It's not for me. Not
for me that I feel like. That's as far as
I want to go.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
But I think you should be washing yourself, getting regular
haircuts and doing the best you can.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Wear some glasses if you can throw all it there,
get the get the fresh set. I see y'all have them.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Get that you know sicuresides, Yes, get get get one
of those back facials. Oh I don't know anything about that. Yeah,
to your face, to your I'm telling you, listen, don't

(43:19):
knock it.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know anything about the back nets? Well, shower shipkay?

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Go aheadil you felt the top layer of the skin
of your back burnt off?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
And I was.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Okay about that.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I was gonna say, I, you know, when you were
talking about body modifications, I saw this video today of
this girl who was trying to give herself a septum
piercing and the thing went, it went the wrong way,
and it ultimately went through her nose the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And yeah, so that's that was where my mind went.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Sorry to scar y'all, but ultimately that is what I
think about when you say body modifications.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
But that's for me.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
The note that I made is I think grooming is
truly just the baseline. It really is take a bath,
Why sh yourself takay?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know, like literally, you know, stank don't look good
on nobody.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
And I recognize, and I want to make sure that
this is not coming from a place of privilege, because
I know people let to jump on my mentions to say, John,
you're a problematic, You're you're materialistic, and you're this and that.
No I'm saying I do recognize that it is a luxury.
Do what you can when you can, please do. But
I think intentional self care, if you have the means,

(44:38):
it's really you know, it's it's a it's a ritual, right,
It's it's one of those rituals where we oftentimes, you know,
stop auditioning for other people and we start to give
ourselves the piece that we deserve. Right Like the fact
that I stopped working out for the gays of queer
men has done wonders for my mental health and emotional health.
I get on my peloton when I want to. I

(44:59):
don't feel the need to have to get on and
write every single day. Hell, I haven't written in three
weeks because I just genuinely have not had the time,
and I really have not made the time to care.
I said, I will do that when I get back
from my trip from New Orleans. That was where my
mind is. I'll get back to working. But just knowing
that there's no oh, if you don't work out, you're
gonna gain a couple of pounds when you're new. Like

(45:19):
not working out for other people has literally been the
best thing for me because working out no longer feels
like a chore. But I think when we start thinking
about fillers and tattoos and surgeries and bbls, because yes,
a lot of girls, a lot of even those straight ones,
they have bbls, you have to ask yourself, are you
moving towards yourself or away from yourself? And I think

(45:42):
that's the thing that a lot of people don't seem
to be in and a lot of people don't take
the time to process that that a lot of people
are moving when it comes to their books, they're moving
away from themselves because they feel like they're getting more
close to whatever in their mind they believe is beautiful.
And again, I know a lot of that is body dysmorphia.
I know a lot of that is kind of to

(46:03):
your point that you shared earlier on like someone saying
something really terrible to you and it really hurting you
and causing a lot of grief. Like we have to
think about that a lot. But I think specifically for
queer folks, we live in a blur of all three
because our bodies are always just it's by design to
have the perfect image of a white cis man. Right,
you're living in a specific image for the app. You're

(46:25):
living for a specific image at a bar, you're living
at a specific you know you have to look a
certain way for a grid and the gaze. So and
I mean that both the gays and the z right,
you're either too much or not enough. And so instead
of asking where's the line, I would ask if nobody
could like comment or thirst over me again, what would

(46:45):
I choose to do with my body? That was something
that I constantly keep thinking about, Like what if people
took their eyes off of me?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
What would I do? And what I still love who
I am? Years ago?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I would say absolutely not, because I don't think I
loved my body at all years ago.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
But in this forty year old big body, my God.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Like, sometimes I catch myself from the mirror and I go,
that's a bad bitch right there. That's a Sometimes I
start like, man, sometimes I catch myself like, there is
a certain look that I have. It's a little if
you know me, you've seen me in it. It's red
and it has open It's a Nina Parker look I
wore when I wore when he was on the show.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And it's red.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
And every time I see myself in that outfit, I go,
that's like, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
A badger, that's a bad girl.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But it took me a lot of time to get
there because again, Apps and and and all of the
world told me that I wasn't supposed to like the
way I looked in an outfit like that, right, And
so I think for me, it's just really having to
remove myself from all of the noise. I think that's
really what this conversation is about. How do you remove
yourself from the noise that really helps or not helps,

(47:55):
but really draws you towards this place of not liking
you and the body that you're in.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
But what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So I'll say it.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Oftentimes when I go on my walks, I'll look in
like a car mere and I'm like, what has this
fat baby?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I'm like, oh, these shorts are gonna make my butt
look good. So I mean, I love it, I see,
But also I.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Just want to say, no need for strains, No need
for strains on the tattoo girlies, Okay, don't go for us.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I was like Bob's I'm not trying to say, but
there are or three or some tos are fine.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
But I'm saying I'm thinking about the people who literally
cover themselves in tattoos, and it's like, no shape, but
what are you hiding or what are you running from?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So I do you know?

Speaker 4 (48:38):
It's like I do like I I and I I
I appreciate the like the the Calgaries, right of grooming,
intentional self care and flowing by mullification because I too
like I like I have a certain hair care routine,
I have a certain skincare routine. I be doing my
face oil every morning with uh with Kidara, this black
owned brand.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
This is this is not a.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
What did you spill some of it last time?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I thought you said steal, I said shot the no
but yes, but yes I spilled yes, and I and
and I re upped on it. I'm not sponsored by them,
but you'll responsor girl, you can have some show.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
They are on their online they're hyper local San Diego.
They're amazing, Green Face Oil, Black Owned black Man. And
then I follow up with my super goop gloves screen
because sub is important and got and got a little
nice tend to it because he's not some poort list
I'm not sponsored by.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I felt the spirit moved today to Shelly because like, yes,
so silky smooth, that's what I just happened. Felt like
you hit it.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
John John's a sanger, John John and John John will
be coy.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
But yes, you say you know that, you said you
not with church. I'm here at church. I mean I've
been in church my whole life. But no, that's literally
what you put that up. And so good, that's literally
what period period.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I want to stop.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Look total out my hair so soft, silky and free.
I don't something just ful me.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Please, But like you're like like like I like I
have my groomy routine. I like when I went haircut
for like six days straight. I'm like, oh, the gay
powers have returned. I'm the bass bitch in the world.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's like like like you put it into that pony tail.
Then she's like girl and when she gets braids done, oh,
you can't tell me ship. You can't tell me ship.
When that someone's in there, I'm like, I'm that bassage
of the game.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
So I feel like you know that that makes sense
right and self care is gonna get my nails done,
going to do a pair of cures, going massages or something.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Right, And I am like I struggled with like, like
I agree, like I feel like.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
The things like like like the fillers or like bbls,
and I think those are those are movocations and I
and like I I want to be in the mind
of like your body, your choice to which you want
to But I think I always have the question of
what's the fans that the fancy that you're chasing, like
like like into what end?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Do what end? Like like to what end are you
ja saying that fantasy?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Because like people be walking around like where I see
some fillers, I'm like.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Huh, that was a choice? You're like choice more, yes,
you know, and like listen if you like that, I
love you, like I love it, go off, girl. But
I do have the questions like maybe less, maybe none.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Who's the sa I love?

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Why did I imagine you're having the same thought, those
two thoughts about the same person.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You were looking at the same more less more. I
gotta go like like, like it.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Really is, you know, and like and like and and
so I'm like, okay, like I want to be in
a place where like a like total body neutrality where whoever,
when people want to modify themselves, right then I'm also like,
go off, don't let go off, sister.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Go off.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Love sometimes maybe like listen, if my friends freaking stign,
my friends fraakanisteine, I love them so much and.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I will be them. I'll be with them regardless quickly.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I mean no, but you said frank inside, we are
going to get so many emails that is me.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
That is me. Someone say, joho your bitch, for sure.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
But like, because I have been a situations where I
have seen people out and about and I've been.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Like, Jesus Christ, no, actually, actually you don't. If you're
not I'm.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
The fattest friend that everyone has, then some is freaking stein. Okay,
I have the I am the fat friend in every
fucking friend group. Girl can be figured sign come about
a good damn.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Day and get over it. But I think like I
do think like you want to do it for themselves
that that is totally great.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
But I think like that, I wonder if something that
that is totally fine great, and I respect and I
appreciate you doing something for yourself that you love.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
But if it's if my thing is like if it's
gonna be.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Informed by somebody else's thoughts, I it's being informed by
something you see somewhere and you like if you are
if if the thoughts not coming from you but from
something else, then I interrogate that because this is a
choice that you're making for the rest of your life
in some way, right, Like you have to you have
to maintain the upkeep. You have to like write like
taches are permanent, like you like those things you have

(53:44):
to think about like let like like am I going
to love this the next amount of time?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Is it going to is it going to feel is
it going to feel great? Like in this time?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
And and I love your question, John that you have
yourself of like if no one would like comment or
thirst for me again what I choose? But what I choose,
what I still choose to this body, That's a great
question because I'm like, oh, I've never thought like that
if no one's when in some reasons, my my first
thought was like, well, this is where I find like
a privilege because I haven't been like the friend thirsted

(54:15):
over like as as other people around me. Right, I
haven't been a body that's been thirst over in the
ways I've seen thirst and so that's where I feel like,
right like like for me, I'm like, oh, like, that's
why I think when when people are like, oh, you
love yourself so much, You're suburbans are courageous, I'm like,
I don't get how. I'm like, I'm just existing my body.
But I realized, like I haven't. I haven't in some
ways lived with the like maybe one could say pressure,

(54:40):
expectation or like fallacy of what like the ideal body is, right,
and so because I've lived with that, like I myself,
legity got to be really organic and say like, I'm
loving myself because well it tells me to not love
myself versus folks who may be conventionally attractive or have
like the Goho hot bodies, and so they may navigate
life like being like they have to maintain that appearance.

(55:02):
And so that that hasn't been my mon so I'm like, oh, like, yeah,
I went on this body still because I haven't my
self worth was never tied to desirability try like maybe
as much as I want it to be at some
point in time or maybe still do, it hasn't been.
And so I think for those who tie to desirability
or fantasy or like like like or like reaching, do

(55:23):
you say that they think is the best of second
in life? Like like I like, I would just say,
be really cautious about like who really informs that fantasy?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Who informs us? Like who informs that that's the desire body?

Speaker 4 (55:37):
If it's not you informing it, girl, somebody else that
if you aren't the driver's sea maybe in the passenger
seat of your own life, you don't want.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
That for yourself.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Anyways, that was a big That was a big moment
myself boxing noyes. Let me call them the fuck.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Down and let just let her have it. I was like,
she got something to say, let her have it, Let
I have it. I know, that's right, crickets and has
a big I was like, no, one must sell me.
We were with you the whole time I was driving
with you.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
How it gives you know, remember so you know what
that that What it gave to me was remember when
your mama was having a bad day and she would
just be going off in the car and you just
listen because you knew that you didn't want you didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Want to catch it. That's literally what it gave.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
It was like, I just want to listen to my
sister go because she got something to say. And that's
all right, that's all right, Yes, yes, yes, when you
set the sad see.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
He said, I'm like that. I like that. Now take them.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Now that you all know that this tim was sponsored
by sayings in practice, how do you remember that the
only person who s to prove your body is yours.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yes, we'll take one more quick break and come back
with y'all guess no man PAMs.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
All right, y'all, So this week we are going to
wrap up our episode in our yes ma'am and our
no Man Pam. This is where we usually give people
flowers or we hit them with them, and this week
I want to give my yes ma'am to Mama down
in uh where she's Retherford County, Tennessee. So I want
to talk about when people when people know what to

(57:16):
do when they when they want.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
To do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
And I just wanted to shout out that there's a
lot of people in this world who are doing really
fucked up shit. And when you hear that there's one
person who's doing something that's good or is going to
encourage other people to do good, I'm like, we really
got to say we need to be speaking about that
more and loudly.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Lewyn James is a librarian director who recently refused to
relocate more than one hundred LGBTQ themed children's titles to
the library system adult section. And so some people would say, okay,
well the books are still in the library system. What
would that do? Well when you read basically explains in

(57:53):
the article, and I'll go ahead and our linked the article.
It explains how the library system works, and basically it's
basically a way to censor, slash censure folks who want
to read literature that is related to LGBTQ issues or
you know things, right, it's a way to basically say,
we don't have these books available. And so for her

(58:13):
to do that, she's basically pushing back against the folks
who are trying to tell her what she can and
can't do. As a librarian director, and so I also
want to shout out the folks who showed up to
support her wearing shirts that read protect the Freedom to Read.
I think it's important to note that, she added as

(58:35):
she was talking to the school board. I guess they
had a school board meeting recently, and she had said
at the school boards, as folks were trying to basically say,
you know, you are basically you are one of the
people that's creating propaganda or trying to push this rhetoric
that LGBTQ individuals, you know, basically saying that if they
read a book, they're going to become queer. And I

(58:55):
want to make sure that I make this a point
before I say what Luanne said to them, that nobody
becomes queer from reading. Nobody becomes queer from seeing someone
on TV. The same way. You didn't become straight in
the way you read something or you saw something. And
I wish people just thought, like logically about that, right, Well,

(59:16):
if they read something, they'll become get Well, baby, what
did you read to become straight?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Nothing? God, because you're stupid.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
You didn't read anything, right, So I definitely just wanted
to say shout out to that one of the things
I think it's important for me to note that she
says she says libraries are funded by and for citizens,
therefore the right to access information free from government interference,
it's protected hallmark for our democracy, and that her dream
was to protect public access because it is not a

(59:43):
mere opinion, it's a core tenant of the American Library
Association's Code of ethics. So basically, Luanne was saying, y'all
set this as a code of ethics, and when it
comes to me, y'all have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
But if it's for y'all, it works.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
And I appreciate when people do that specifically, Like I know,
there are some folks so by the time you all
hear this, it'll probably be a little stale, but I'm
still gonna talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's very interesting to me that people, you know, can
laugh and point and say all these really jacked up
things about drag queens and people who do drag. But
the moment we see Christy Nolmes husband in a breastplate,
it's oh, oh, now y'all are Oh it's a big
it's a big ordeal. It's it's a problem. Don't say
anything to him, don't be mean to him. That's basically

(01:00:28):
what I'm seeing online. Y'all are being mean to him,
and I'm going, no, we're doing exactly to you what
you have done to us for the last three, four, five,
six years. You taunted us, and you didn't think that
your shit was clean, and now it's out in the
air and every and your stink is out and everybody
sees it. Right, So I think, like I said, back
to my point, it's very interesting when things don't work

(01:00:51):
in the accord or the way that the oppressor wanted
to work, how quick everyone wants to jump into this, Oh,
this is this is, this is a right, and it's like, no, girl,
you're doing We literally are doing exactly what you said
you should be doing. So shout out to Luanne James.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Whole about her. She said, she said, you want to
discuss loby, let's discuss law, babe. Let's call me baby.
I'm lying James now. She literally said, let me put
on my Olivia Pope law right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Okay, said I'm coming to work and I got something
to say. And if you you launch a couple of
times since let me know what your what your caship
or your ven Moe is and I sing you some
change so so you could be all right in my book,
my job back I want.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I wish I could. If I could give you your
job back, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
But I definitely want to say shout out to people
like her who are putting their work, their lives, their
lifeblhood on the line to make sure that l g
b T people are respected and protected. So shout out
to her. So my no, man, Pam is very short
to the point I text you about this, Joe. So
I'm not going to say the name of the org
because it is or the company because it is black owned.

(01:02:04):
So I don't want this to be a slight But
what I want to say is this, babies, How do
I say this without getting in trouble? When you decide
you want to start a business, specifically a food business,
and you say I'm going to start this food business,
and I'm going to put this food business out for

(01:02:24):
everybody in the world to eat, Yes, please do that. However,
make sure you properly staff it, make sure you have
enough items to make There's no there is no reason
why someone should be making fifteen plates from one pot

(01:02:45):
of oil and one thing of one thing of one
crop pot of greens. Baby, like you got a whole
line of people. You don't have enough stuff. So I
guess what I'm trying to say is you are over
promising and under delete.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Deliverin Okay, I need the details of this off my loss,
but I gotta know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
So as soon you know what's going on this nigga shit,
you can and I gotta know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
That's what I'm trying to say. I just need us,
and I say us as black people. When you start
a business, please do it in a way that is
going to make sure. I waited an hour for my plate,
an hour at ten thirty at night. I did not
get my plate until eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Was theod No, okay? If it was this was this
was a street vender.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Yes, bitch, I'm on the street for an hour, curve
sat kicking it on the curve, park on a I'm
still eating.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
That I ended it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
It was not good to meet, But I also think
it wasn't good because it wasn't fresh like you they did.
There were at least sixty to sixty five people outside
waiting for food, and we all were waiting at least
an hour for a plate. And so I just say,
if you were prepared for people, girl, don't have a papa,

(01:04:26):
don't do it. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
If you can't meet the demand, girl, stay home. It's okay.
If you got to supply, you can't meet the demand,
put it. Okay. That's and I'm trying their baby, girl, Okay,
you ain't got the supplies, you can't meet the demand.
That is a fucking word.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And that is what happens a lot of black And
I don't want to slate black owned businesses because I
love there are a lot of black owned businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
But stick to door Dash if you if you are
a black.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Owned business and you can't meet the demand of sixty
five to eighty people at ten thirty at night, baby,
stick to door Dash, make a couple of plates, sell
them for twenty five dollars a plate. I will pay
the door dash feet and at least I know my
food will be halfway decent. But don't don't be out
out of street vender, like, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Don't do that. Though we know what. We have airfires
in this house. We have airfires so close. We got
micro we got ovens. We can just you know we
can poss about home not I want to name that

(01:05:37):
the episode of microwave, but wore nobody get it? So yeah,
do you have like micro w h stupid av a y.
That is definitely that's the only way you say it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Literally micro, but no, I definitely like, I just and
what I will say this and then I'll pass it
to you Ron for your yes, no, your yeah, senor.
Know what really pissed me off was as soon as
I pulled out of the the parking lot and I
made a quick left. On my right there was a
McDonald's and I said, arch, I played myself literally fell.

(01:06:17):
I was like, look at you egg on your face.
Look as stupid as you're hungry twenty five dollars you
could you could have had an egg McMuffin, and look
at you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Boom boot the fool. When people say who is boo
boot to fool, it was me. I was boo boo Defoh.
Two of my friends left and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
They were like, nah, girl, are we good on this?
I don't think this is a good idea. And I
was like, oh, we got to support black business. And
my dumb ass gave them my money and gave them
a twenty percent tip, but you know what, they probably
needed them more than me. So anyway, moving on, Ron,
what are your yes, ma'am's no man pounds for this week?

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Okay, my yes ma'am is Threads. The entirety of Threads.
So last year, I would say, so, I've been on
Threads probably since it started. Whenever Zuck fired it up.
I got on there and people were like, this is weird,
what are we doing? But I stayed on there because
I noticed that things just little signs of people who

(01:07:17):
had all signed up, the fact that it was automatically
people there from Instagram, and I could see that people
had left Twitter. I did not like a blue Sky mastadon.
I couldn't get into. There's one called Spill that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
We all tried for like seven days and then it
was like everyone was like, this is whack widness.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
This.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
I don't even know if people are still on Spill.
So all of these so I get to Threads and
like in the last year, I want to say, since
the Sinner's Discourse, I realized that the audience on Threads
has congealed to a place where the majority of black
Twitter has now showed up. We're talking about Love Island

(01:07:55):
on we're talking about paradise. So yeah, so all this
this course has been happening on Threads and this week
one of the best discourses that has been starting has
been what has happened on Summer House. I don't know
if you watch Summerhouse. It's a Bravo reality show. It's
worth watching. It's about these people that live in New

(01:08:16):
York that share a house in the Hampton's every summer.
There are some ass members on there. Their names are
Amanda West and Sierra. Sierra's black, West and Amanda are white.
Amanda used to be married to another person a house
named Kyle, and they got a divorce. They're recently separated.
West used to date Sierra. We thought they were rekindling,

(01:08:38):
they weren't, And as it turns out, behind everyone's back,
Amanda and West are dating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
And they released a statement about it earlier this week.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
Now, my yes, ma'am is Threads and the way that
we can finally have the discourse that I've been missing
so much from Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
About mess like this. My no, ma'am is Amanda in West.
This is what you've done is awful. This is a
bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
How could you do this? To Sierra.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
All of you listeners, if you don't know what I'm
talking about, just google Sierra Miller and then google West
and look at them and say, how could you fumble this?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
This is a beautiful black quid. How could you do this?
It's very upsetting.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
No, ma'am Amanda Patula, no, ma'am West, whatever his last
name is, Yes, the Threads and yes the Sierra Miller,
those are yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I have not watched that show, but I see everybody
name amabut.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Season five or season A Threads and like the the topic.
Someone is like, what is this?

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
No, I see my mam is gonna be to good
TV and bad TV respectively. So good TV, Paradise, great
fucking show. Just have the season finale. So they came around,
So they came around. Chef's kiss tracks are something good
that just I'm so sorry for Next up, I pay,

(01:09:59):
I pray there's there's a third season Shrinking. Shrinking showed
to this day one of the best shows I think
on on on streaming television, like just so good. Acting
is so good, like love that shit began, Black, horrible show.
I cannot stop watching it is this show is so

(01:10:19):
bad it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Someone trying to convince so Tyler Perry gets you man,
so all our.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Threads, someone trying to convince us on threads that this
writing is so good because it makes you hate people.
And I'm like, no, it's so bad because the dialogue
truly makes no fucking sense.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
But I live for the drama. I live. I live
for Mallory.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
That Mallory's her entire, her entire, like whatever she does,
I cannot believe this is in a script, that it
has to be improved. I lived impromptu responses just so
outlandish you cannot help be like and laugh. Seeing her
burnshit down was ever thing. Seeing her throw a hot

(01:11:01):
coffee on her on her on her her wa guy's
husband and is in his stripper amazing, Like wait, what girl, okay,
if you if y'all have if you're a saying that,
if you're saying yet, like like y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Need to watch it, like y'all is like like the listeners,
somebody's pulled right now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
But basically, Mallory's Malory's on the character. She's she's she's
she's a bitch, she's a bitch, but she like, you
can't have a lover and she says, oh hand is
shees like, girl, that's crazy, say that loud. Wow, it's
out loud. But her her husband do not get along,
but they're married because he has the family money and

(01:11:42):
she divorces him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
She has nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
So the same area, he starts acting out and starts
bringing a stripper to the to the office in which
they work, which she so for for the first thing
is you know he brought the stripper to was how
to their house and so she got one of the
cars from the garage and then drove that vehicle to
the bedroom and not and then set the house on fire,
which was honestly I live and now I was like,
how no one died from this or get hurt whatever.

(01:12:06):
Then to retality, he brought the striper to the office
and so she's com misering with two other two other
girls Kimmy and Rayn, who are main characters to Rain
can't stand her. She does nothing for the show. Kimmy
live out love for she's amazing. They are all enemies
at first and now they're besties. And she's like, ladies,
do you want some do you want some hot coffee?
Like girl coffee is the men who wants coffee right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I want to make us some coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
She gets to coffee jagged deer coffee, sees her husband
and the tripper make you know, fucking on the fucking
the office, and she just throws hot coffee on them,
and Emma's like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
And this is all Tyler Perry's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
And then so he he goes to check her out,
and Kimmy and rain coming start.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
They all start beating Roy up and you this moment
is like you with him because Roy is horrible, trash, dispicable, disgusting,
horrible person, like the way Tip Perry paints paints black people, Like,
how does this hate us? This man simultaneously pays black
people he hates and like like he like he's f
those who pays black people and then also the same

(01:13:09):
sts on us. Uh huh but you but like my
eyes glued, I'm like this ship is especially especially black,
especially black woman, Like I'm like, you give no nuance
to anybody at all but this show, and it's it's
two to your point. For all the discourse on video
is black on Threads is taking me down because every degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
We cannot stand this show and cannot stop watching it
like we're supposed to talk about it with exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
So I'm like, I'm living for all the videos there
responses the threads like it is is my life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
So that's my to both both of them like that,
My god, this episode was so fun. Well, with that
being said, while you go and look and catch up
on say, I started Paradise and episode one didn't grab
me that way, but I feel.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
Like I may need it took three episodes, Like episode
seven of season one is the best episode of television
I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Okay, like for folks who know, like I said, by
the time you hear this, my husband and be home.
But my husband's actually on a vacation right now, or
he's on a trip. And so with that being said,
I've been at home been able to just kind of
watch whatever I want to watch, and I think I'm
gonna try to go ahead and I'm gonna jump in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
I washed it one night at my sister's house, Like
I watched the episode. Then my brother came watching the others,
but of it, we all were like watch the entire season,
all locked in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Okay, yeah, I'm I'm gonna put your phone down. I
don't scroll.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Yeah, yeah, you got you got to pay attention, you
got you gottake you guys say, had nothing else to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
I'm watching this show. Yeah, okay, but three a Hood
to walk Away. It's okay, but I think that the
three Black Girl, No. I want. I want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I want like it's it's one of those shows that
I see everyone in their mama that I know and
love and respect as a cultural critic saying that they love.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I'm saying like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Want to be. I want to be where the niggas are, Like,
I want to be where everyone else is in relation
to loving the show. And so because I couldn't get in,
I was like, uh but no, everyone's saying keep going
or you know, watch it. I'm like, okay, I think
it's time for me to go ahead and do it.
But anyway, all that to be said, please send us
your thoughts, feedback and emails to Blackfatfempod at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
We don't get nothing. We don't get nothing from y'all,
and we would love to hear from you. We really would.
We really would love to hear your thoughts, and you know,
come on down, come on down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
We also going to take a moment to say, tap
your neighbor and tell two people you know about this show.
Just on Hey, hey, y'all listening to Black Fat Fem
you should. It's good quality entertainked me. So just tap
two people on the shoulder and then eat, and then
two people will you know, and we'll get something going with.
There's a lot of people telling people about this show,

(01:15:53):
so we want to encourage you to do that. But
that being said, you can also send us your thoughts
for your social media's by interacting with our posts on
Instagram threads by using the handle black fatfam pod Ronald
where can the Dolls Find You?

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
You can find me on Instagram threads TikTok and letterboxed
at oh It's Big Front.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
That's at O H I T S B I g
R O N.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
He should also subscribe to my podcasts Wait for It
w E I G H T and leaving the Theater.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Yes, I love that, Queen Johoe. So, Chris, you're gonna
have to cut this. I almost called you, Queer Joe
Ho by Queer joh.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
Yes, You're not wrong, Yes, definitely, yes, ye yes, Queen Jojo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Where can the Dolls find you? Y'all?

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Can find me my loveside Joho Dans across all socials,
my website jo dot com, or uh, you'll find me
slashing tires with my new claws.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I just pop and bitches who fuck with me? And
I just no one's say from this, Yes, yes, did
you say ice? Because I was always I was gonna
say I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I don't even put ice in my doctor pepper
because ice drinking hot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
But on the bullshit when when we're sat, I was
drinking ice coffee all day, every day, ice everything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Okay, I crushed you with my teeth. That's crushed. Yeah,
I'll bite ice. How about that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Bite them anyway, all that to be said, you can
find me on socials at doctor John Paul just being
a mess, bouncing my titties all over social media?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Is paying? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Paying?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Respects to not pambod because her but Christy noan her husband.
With that, you can also learn more about my consulting,
my books catch it, and you can also find out
where I will be in the coming weeks. If you
want to see me or more about this show, you
can turn on Hulu watch Who Am I Meant to Be?

(01:18:00):
Talk about the magic of the show, which is now streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
All that to be said, this has been another show.
Stay black Fat femine fabulous and remember what jo ho.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
We may not be a cup of tea girl, but
get some water, get some good pH one in your system.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
That ship, I'll get that gun. Got your body and
just inhal some goodness. You're constipated because you ain't drinking
enough water.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Your skin's ashy, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
You you got flimming your lungeloff and bad guy dren
some wide there yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Back it up a little bit, amen, amen, because your
black will what what does our good sis key? You say,
your black will crack if it's dry? All right, y'all
we love us for real. I'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Bye alight.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
The Black Fat fem Podcast is executive produced by Joey
Patt and Doctor John Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Our content related to the show was edited by Chris Rogers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
This has been a podcast by iHeartMedia and Doctor John Paul, LLC.
The Black Fat Film Podcasts.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Where all the intersections of a nandi are celebrated. Honey,
I know that's right,

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