April 29, 2025 • 16 mins
Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward discuss the story of a young black girl that was threatened after ringing the wrong doorbell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sometimes we're just as shocked or moved or energized by
the news we cover as anyone would be, but by
the time we share it, our initial reaction has settled
a bit. But for these stories, we want you to
learn about the news at the same time we do.
Welcome to another installment of And then you don't know not.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know you?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes, sir? All right?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I caught a little bit of a video and I
was on I was on social media or something, and
I saw this video. And now I'm seeing a headline
and I know you can't see it. So I'm gonna
get your first thoughts, uh when I share this with you.
(00:58):
So from Black Information Network. White man threatens to shoot
black girl who rang doorbell to sell candy. A Florida
man threatened to shoot a young black girl who rang
his doorbell to sell candy in a Facebook post that
sparked widespread outrage online. In the now deleted post on
a Facebook community group, Tyler Chambers shared doorbell footage of
(01:22):
a black child who had visited his home in Tampa, Florida. Quote,
You're lucky we weren't home to shoot your a dumb
bee Chambers caption the footage. Chambers swiftly faced backlash over
his comments aimed at the young child. The child's mother,
(01:42):
Beyond Shabbaz, said her nine year old daughter, sincere and
eleven year old niece went to Chambers's home while selling
candy around the neighborhood on April fourteenth. Before deleting the
post and his social media account, Chambers accused the girl
of acting as a decoy for an attempted break in
at his home. He didn't back up the hope allegation
with any evidence. Quote I saw it on my camera,
(02:03):
and I have a wife and a seven month old
at home, which I will protect as you would. I
was hot when I posted it, which is why I
deleted it right away. I could have handled it different,
Chambers wrote. Shabaz said she followed the police report following
the incident. The mother also launched a GoFundMe to help
raise funds for her pending legal battle against Chambers. Quote
this could have been anybody's child, and our job as
(02:25):
parents is to protect our kids. My child does not
feel safe in her neighborhood now due to this, and
now every time she clicks on her Facebook or TikTok,
she sees what this monster posted about her for the
world to see, Jabos wrote. She goes on to say,
I will not let this go under the rug. I
promise I will make an example out of this fool.
So here we are. By the way, I hadn't I
(02:53):
hadn't read the article lead that I just saw the video.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But I hadn't seen the video or read the article
ast I figure that's why we're doing it for this episode.
There's this thing that happens. People respond with aggressive, evil
(03:19):
intentioned hatred, bigotry, misogyny, racism, and then they get a
far more intense pushback publicly than they ever expected, and
(03:43):
then pretend not to be evil, hateful, bigoted, misogynistic racist people.
In this case, I'm just protecting my family, as everyone
would yeah. Yeah, And the as everyone would part is accurate,
(04:05):
except intellectually intentionally dishonest, because in what way would you
need to protect your family from an eleven year old
little girl? Yeah, armed with candy?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And those who want for that man's position to be
true will find a way to justify his actions and
his words, because every American and every parent in that
situation would want to defend their families intentionally removing all
(04:48):
the context and nuance from the story so that it's
just I saw a person on the ring camera and
I have a seven month old, so what else was
I to do.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm the big thing of that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm the victim here. I'm the victim of this backlash.
I'm a victim of my reputation being a little soiled.
I'm the victim of people seeing who I really am.
So let me back pedal as fast as I can
and not stand on my hatred and my racism and
make it like I'm somehow the one being wronged here,
and everybody should stop rushing to judgment, because what would
(05:23):
anyone do in my situation? Will ramses your father? If
your security camera saw little girls outside of your house,
even in the most nefarious way, say they're not there
to sell you candy? Do you wish you were home
(05:45):
to shoot them that?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Notice?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Notice and notice that I didn't stay little black girls, girls,
just little girls in general. Do you wish you were
because if we're protecting our family, well your your family's
not home you wish you were home to in the
life of a child, But in the life of a
(06:08):
child who you then call a dumb bee word. That
wasn't about your seven month old and their safety, that
was about your racism and your hatred. And yeah yeah,
so you know, here we are being treated like idiots
again as they try to endlessly rewrite a narrative and
(06:34):
create an alternate reality that we seemingly do not share
with them.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you know his his uh, I wouldn't even call
it apology. He was like, you know, I suppose I
could have handled it a little differently. It's kind of
cavalier attitude towards this threat to end a child's life
who was selling candy. You know what's crazy is that
(07:00):
of time I was a child and I was in
Arizona and I was selling candy. You know, back in
the day. This probably isn't prominent anymore, but back in
the day, in elementary school, a public school used to
be able to sell candy and fundraise and you could
go door to door sell some chocolate bars. People could
(07:24):
order them, and if you sold enough candy you could
get like prizes and it was like a competition at
the school who could sell the most and you could
get everything from like folders and pens and pencils up
to like video game systems whatever. And again, if you're
a public school student, you don't have a ton of money.
I certainly didn't grow up in a house with a
ton of money, so you know, I wanted to get
(07:44):
them video games. And we would end up walking around
the neighborhood as far as our little legs could carry us.
And I remember something similar happened to me. It wasn't
a threat on my life, but I was walking somewhere
with my friend at the time. His name was Jason Simms.
I might have been this age, maybe eleven years old,
(08:07):
somewhere they're ten, ten, eleven years old, something like that.
And I knocked on a door, rang a doorbell, and
I had like the tray in front of me with
the paperwork and the you know everything, because they have
like a little trail that goes over your neck. And
somebody opened the door. It was a nice house, but
somebody opened the door shirtless, shoeless. He was wearing shorts,
bearded white man with a belly, and I'll never forget it.
(08:30):
I don't even know if I've ever told you this story,
but he's like.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Look at this.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We got inwards at the door, and he like yelled
back into the house. We got we got in words
at the door, and I remember that fear. It came
over me. Now, Jason Simms, the person that was selling
candy with me because you had we had a buddy system.
Jason was white, completely sold me out right then and there.
(08:55):
He's like, well, I'm not so that's why I said
he was my friend at the time. But I never
forgot that. He said that I shouldn't have said his
last name. But you know, you know, there's a lot
of Jason Simms out there, so good luck for him.
But anyway, and Jason, you know, he probably was doing
the best he could at that age. So I'm not
trying to say he's a bad guy, but I was
really I really felt on my own and I felt
very vulnerable because when you're a child standing in the
(09:17):
doorway of an adult man who's big and has all
that mass and the belly and all that sort of stuff,
and he's calling you this word that you know, means
that he doesn't respect or value you as a life form.
It's it's a scary thing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And so.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know, I can imagine what this this child went through.
I didn't take that home to you know, my mother
because there was nothing that she could do about that.
She was working and she was you know, she's not
gonna go to these people's house. She was a woman.
You know, my dad was in California dealing with you know,
medical issues at the time. So some of these you
(09:58):
just kind of got to eat and you gotta grow
up with it, and you got to now harbor that
fear of ringing people's doorbell at you know, forty plus
years old, and then you teach it to your children.
You know, in my neighborhood, there's a little pebble exchange
where people paint rocks and they leave it on the
front of their lawn and you can go in and
(10:20):
pick up a rock and then you know, drop it
off at another house or I don't know the game
because I don't play it, but my son always wants
to play that game because you know, you can see
other people doing it. My baby do not going in
people's yard. So now I'm teaching that same fear to
my child and he's never experienced a trauma, right, So
(10:40):
it's just interesting how that works. But I think you're right, man,
and it was well said. This had nothing to do
with protecting anybody. This had nothing to do with anything
other than I'm racist, and here's someone that I can
get my racism off too and there'll be no consequences.
Even if that was what he was on, he still
didn't even have to post it to social media. He
(11:01):
posted to social media to glorify it, like, look, we
can do this now, We can treat people like this
now because Trump's our guy. One thousand percent sure, this
guy is a Trump vote, and for the reasons that
break our heart, you know what I mean. So yeah,
sad reality.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So it's so interesting that we know, oh yeah, how
this man voted based on the way that he treated
this little black girl. That is very, very sad indictment
of MAGA America.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh yeah, And here's the crazy part about it. The
craziest part is that there's so many people who will
say racism doesn't factor into the elections. We're in a
post racial society. And I know a thousand percent I
would bet every single thing I have have had or
ever would have and my children that this is a
Trump vote right here.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Or a supporter. Before we move on and before we close,
it's gotten to a point where I can listen to
a person's takes on sports and pop culture music and
tell you who they voted for. We are very differant,
especially if they're a MAGA supporter. Maybe other people it's
(12:19):
a little vague and a little harder to pin down.
But when MAGA people share their opinions on the economy,
on race, on sports, on music, on how athletes are paid,
on how athletes perform on the field, there takes how
their mind views society at large is so pronounced. There
(12:42):
are people who years ago on television denied supporting Donald
Trump in the sports space, and I told people at
that time that person is lying. One of them. Two
of them actually we Okay and Jason Whitlock are both
essentially conservative MAGA pundance now. But I knew it back
(13:04):
then when they were pretending to be sportscasters. The way
that they covered black athletes let me know exactly where
they where their minds were with regards to politics in
our country. That's the Trump effect.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, I'll take it. I I know that when it
comes to like these people's opinions on things, it's it's
it's very simple, and it's a lesson that I learned
from my niece. She said, how did he win? She's
(13:46):
so nice and he's so mean, And I think that
that is all I need as a lens uh and
and by me some referring to q's Q's daughter for
those that I don't know that that's really all I
need to make My assessment is your behavior fear based
(14:09):
and aggressive and angry or is your behavior based in inclusive, caring,
accountable humanity. And now that we are kind of as
(14:33):
polarized as a society as we've ever been, it's very
easy to see who is what, Like you said, based
on just their tech. You can talk to somebody long enough,
and you certainly don't need a video threatening to shoot
a black girl. I wish I was there to shoot
your you know what I mean? Like, Okay, that's that's
not the Kamala Harris Joe Biden vote. There not at all.
(14:56):
That is at one thousand percent of Trump vote. That
is like mega Trump vote, right, So you're not wrong, man.
I love it so poor baby. I hope that her
mom does get the money together. And if you did
want to support that gofund me, it's up on the
Black Information Network.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And we'll leave it here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We'll follow the story as it continues to develop. If
you've got any thoughts you want to add, you can
reach out to me on all social media at Rams's Jaw.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Let's keep the conversation going and until we do.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Peace.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
This has been a production of the Black Information Network.
Today show is produced by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts
you'd like to share, use the red microphone talkback feature
on the iHeartRadio app. While you're there, be sure to
hit subscribe and download all of our episodes. I am
your host, Ramsey's Jaw on all social media.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
From join us tomorrow as we share our news with
our voice, from our perspective right here on the Black
Information Network. The Daily Podcast
Sometimes we're just as shocked or moved or energized by
the news we cover as anyone would be, but by
the time we share it, our initial reaction has settled
a bit. But for these stories, we want you to
learn about the news at the same time we do.
Welcome to another installment of And then you don't know not.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know you?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes, sir? All right?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I caught a little bit of a video and I
was on I was on social media or something, and
I saw this video. And now I'm seeing a headline
and I know you can't see it. So I'm gonna
get your first thoughts, uh when I share this with you.
(00:58):
So from Black Information Network. White man threatens to shoot
black girl who rang doorbell to sell candy. A Florida
man threatened to shoot a young black girl who rang
his doorbell to sell candy in a Facebook post that
sparked widespread outrage online. In the now deleted post on
a Facebook community group, Tyler Chambers shared doorbell footage of
(01:22):
a black child who had visited his home in Tampa, Florida. Quote,
You're lucky we weren't home to shoot your a dumb
bee Chambers caption the footage. Chambers swiftly faced backlash over
his comments aimed at the young child. The child's mother,
(01:42):
Beyond Shabbaz, said her nine year old daughter, sincere and
eleven year old niece went to Chambers's home while selling
candy around the neighborhood on April fourteenth. Before deleting the
post and his social media account, Chambers accused the girl
of acting as a decoy for an attempted break in
at his home. He didn't back up the hope allegation
with any evidence. Quote I saw it on my camera,
(02:03):
and I have a wife and a seven month old
at home, which I will protect as you would. I
was hot when I posted it, which is why I
deleted it right away. I could have handled it different,
Chambers wrote. Shabaz said she followed the police report following
the incident. The mother also launched a GoFundMe to help
raise funds for her pending legal battle against Chambers. Quote
this could have been anybody's child, and our job as
(02:25):
parents is to protect our kids. My child does not
feel safe in her neighborhood now due to this, and
now every time she clicks on her Facebook or TikTok,
she sees what this monster posted about her for the
world to see, Jabos wrote. She goes on to say,
I will not let this go under the rug. I
promise I will make an example out of this fool.
So here we are. By the way, I hadn't I
(02:53):
hadn't read the article lead that I just saw the video.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But I hadn't seen the video or read the article
ast I figure that's why we're doing it for this episode.
There's this thing that happens. People respond with aggressive, evil
(03:19):
intentioned hatred, bigotry, misogyny, racism, and then they get a
far more intense pushback publicly than they ever expected, and
(03:43):
then pretend not to be evil, hateful, bigoted, misogynistic racist people.
In this case, I'm just protecting my family, as everyone
would yeah. Yeah, And the as everyone would part is accurate,
(04:05):
except intellectually intentionally dishonest, because in what way would you
need to protect your family from an eleven year old
little girl? Yeah, armed with candy?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And those who want for that man's position to be
true will find a way to justify his actions and
his words, because every American and every parent in that
situation would want to defend their families intentionally removing all
(04:48):
the context and nuance from the story so that it's
just I saw a person on the ring camera and
I have a seven month old, so what else was
I to do.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm the big thing of that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm the victim here. I'm the victim of this backlash.
I'm a victim of my reputation being a little soiled.
I'm the victim of people seeing who I really am.
So let me back pedal as fast as I can
and not stand on my hatred and my racism and
make it like I'm somehow the one being wronged here,
and everybody should stop rushing to judgment, because what would
(05:23):
anyone do in my situation? Will ramses your father? If
your security camera saw little girls outside of your house,
even in the most nefarious way, say they're not there
to sell you candy? Do you wish you were home
(05:45):
to shoot them that?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Notice?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Notice and notice that I didn't stay little black girls, girls,
just little girls in general. Do you wish you were
because if we're protecting our family, well your your family's
not home you wish you were home to in the
life of a child, But in the life of a
(06:08):
child who you then call a dumb bee word. That
wasn't about your seven month old and their safety, that
was about your racism and your hatred. And yeah yeah,
so you know, here we are being treated like idiots
again as they try to endlessly rewrite a narrative and
(06:34):
create an alternate reality that we seemingly do not share
with them.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you know his his uh, I wouldn't even call
it apology. He was like, you know, I suppose I
could have handled it a little differently. It's kind of
cavalier attitude towards this threat to end a child's life
who was selling candy. You know what's crazy is that
(07:00):
of time I was a child and I was in
Arizona and I was selling candy. You know, back in
the day. This probably isn't prominent anymore, but back in
the day, in elementary school, a public school used to
be able to sell candy and fundraise and you could
go door to door sell some chocolate bars. People could
(07:24):
order them, and if you sold enough candy you could
get like prizes and it was like a competition at
the school who could sell the most and you could
get everything from like folders and pens and pencils up
to like video game systems whatever. And again, if you're
a public school student, you don't have a ton of money.
I certainly didn't grow up in a house with a
ton of money, so you know, I wanted to get
(07:44):
them video games. And we would end up walking around
the neighborhood as far as our little legs could carry us.
And I remember something similar happened to me. It wasn't
a threat on my life, but I was walking somewhere
with my friend at the time. His name was Jason Simms.
I might have been this age, maybe eleven years old,
(08:07):
somewhere they're ten, ten, eleven years old, something like that.
And I knocked on a door, rang a doorbell, and
I had like the tray in front of me with
the paperwork and the you know everything, because they have
like a little trail that goes over your neck. And
somebody opened the door. It was a nice house, but
somebody opened the door shirtless, shoeless. He was wearing shorts,
bearded white man with a belly, and I'll never forget it.
(08:30):
I don't even know if I've ever told you this story,
but he's like.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Look at this.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We got inwards at the door, and he like yelled
back into the house. We got we got in words
at the door, and I remember that fear. It came
over me. Now, Jason Simms, the person that was selling
candy with me because you had we had a buddy system.
Jason was white, completely sold me out right then and there.
(08:55):
He's like, well, I'm not so that's why I said
he was my friend at the time. But I never
forgot that. He said that I shouldn't have said his
last name. But you know, you know, there's a lot
of Jason Simms out there, so good luck for him.
But anyway, and Jason, you know, he probably was doing
the best he could at that age. So I'm not
trying to say he's a bad guy, but I was
really I really felt on my own and I felt
very vulnerable because when you're a child standing in the
(09:17):
doorway of an adult man who's big and has all
that mass and the belly and all that sort of stuff,
and he's calling you this word that you know, means
that he doesn't respect or value you as a life form.
It's it's a scary thing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And so.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know, I can imagine what this this child went through.
I didn't take that home to you know, my mother
because there was nothing that she could do about that.
She was working and she was you know, she's not
gonna go to these people's house. She was a woman.
You know, my dad was in California dealing with you know,
medical issues at the time. So some of these you
(09:58):
just kind of got to eat and you gotta grow
up with it, and you got to now harbor that
fear of ringing people's doorbell at you know, forty plus
years old, and then you teach it to your children.
You know, in my neighborhood, there's a little pebble exchange
where people paint rocks and they leave it on the
front of their lawn and you can go in and
(10:20):
pick up a rock and then you know, drop it
off at another house or I don't know the game
because I don't play it, but my son always wants
to play that game because you know, you can see
other people doing it. My baby do not going in
people's yard. So now I'm teaching that same fear to
my child and he's never experienced a trauma, right, So
(10:40):
it's just interesting how that works. But I think you're right, man,
and it was well said. This had nothing to do
with protecting anybody. This had nothing to do with anything
other than I'm racist, and here's someone that I can
get my racism off too and there'll be no consequences.
Even if that was what he was on, he still
didn't even have to post it to social media. He
(11:01):
posted to social media to glorify it, like, look, we
can do this now, We can treat people like this
now because Trump's our guy. One thousand percent sure, this
guy is a Trump vote, and for the reasons that
break our heart, you know what I mean. So yeah,
sad reality.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So it's so interesting that we know, oh yeah, how
this man voted based on the way that he treated
this little black girl. That is very, very sad indictment
of MAGA America.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh yeah, And here's the crazy part about it. The
craziest part is that there's so many people who will
say racism doesn't factor into the elections. We're in a
post racial society. And I know a thousand percent I
would bet every single thing I have have had or
ever would have and my children that this is a
Trump vote right here.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Or a supporter. Before we move on and before we close,
it's gotten to a point where I can listen to
a person's takes on sports and pop culture music and
tell you who they voted for. We are very differant,
especially if they're a MAGA supporter. Maybe other people it's
(12:19):
a little vague and a little harder to pin down.
But when MAGA people share their opinions on the economy,
on race, on sports, on music, on how athletes are paid,
on how athletes perform on the field, there takes how
their mind views society at large is so pronounced. There
(12:42):
are people who years ago on television denied supporting Donald
Trump in the sports space, and I told people at
that time that person is lying. One of them. Two
of them actually we Okay and Jason Whitlock are both
essentially conservative MAGA pundance now. But I knew it back
(13:04):
then when they were pretending to be sportscasters. The way
that they covered black athletes let me know exactly where
they where their minds were with regards to politics in
our country. That's the Trump effect.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, I'll take it. I I know that when it
comes to like these people's opinions on things, it's it's
it's very simple, and it's a lesson that I learned
from my niece. She said, how did he win? She's
(13:46):
so nice and he's so mean, And I think that
that is all I need as a lens uh and
and by me some referring to q's Q's daughter for
those that I don't know that that's really all I
need to make My assessment is your behavior fear based
(14:09):
and aggressive and angry or is your behavior based in inclusive, caring,
accountable humanity. And now that we are kind of as
(14:33):
polarized as a society as we've ever been, it's very
easy to see who is what, Like you said, based
on just their tech. You can talk to somebody long enough,
and you certainly don't need a video threatening to shoot
a black girl. I wish I was there to shoot
your you know what I mean? Like, Okay, that's that's
not the Kamala Harris Joe Biden vote. There not at all.
(14:56):
That is at one thousand percent of Trump vote. That
is like mega Trump vote, right, So you're not wrong, man.
I love it so poor baby. I hope that her
mom does get the money together. And if you did
want to support that gofund me, it's up on the
Black Information Network.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And we'll leave it here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We'll follow the story as it continues to develop. If
you've got any thoughts you want to add, you can
reach out to me on all social media at Rams's Jaw.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Let's keep the conversation going and until we do.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Peace.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
This has been a production of the Black Information Network.
Today show is produced by Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts
you'd like to share, use the red microphone talkback feature
on the iHeartRadio app. While you're there, be sure to
hit subscribe and download all of our episodes. I am
your host, Ramsey's Jaw on all social media.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I am q Ward on all social media as well.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
From join us tomorrow as we share our news with
our voice, from our perspective right here on the Black
Information Network. The Daily Podcast
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!