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June 10, 2024 39 mins

A.R Shaw, Executive Editor at the Atlanta Daily World joins us Host Ramses to review some of the major news stories that made headlines over the weekend. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at the Black Information Network, we know how important
it is for you to start your week off energized, engaged,
and enlightened. There are always major stories that break over
the weekend, and we feel you should know about the
ones we are talking about today, So stay tuned for
our weekend recap featuring the author of the book Trap
History and the executive editor of Atlanta Daily World, Mister A. R.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Shaw.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast and I'm
your host, ramses Jah. All right, mister Shaw, welcome back
to the show. How have you been, sir? Everything is
good man.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's you know, summer's coming and what we hear and
it's you know, his heat is out here. So like
you say, like you know, with the heat, the stories
are heating up as well.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, all right, man, Well listen, I'm in Arizona, so
I'm all all the way familiar with heat in the summer.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The summer hit a while.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Ago, because you know, he's pretty early on here. But anyway, yeah,
you're right. Let's get to the stories. First up from
the Black Information Network, Republican Florida Representative Byron Donald's is
defending his stance on Jim Crow as the time when quote,
the black family was together in quote. NBC News reports Donalds,
a Trump campaign surrogan, initially made controversial comments about the

(01:11):
Jim Crow era on June fourth during an outreach event
for black voters in Pennsylvania. During the campaign event, donald
suggested that circumstances have worsened for black people because they've
embraced Democrats. He then pointed to Jim Crow as an
era when quote, the black family was together. Quote here's
another quote you see during Jim Crow. The black family

(01:33):
was together. During Jim Crow, more black people were not
just conservative. Black people have always been conservative minded, but
more black people voted conservatively, Donald said. Donalds further explained
his stance during an appearance on MSNBC host Joy Reid's
The Readout on Thursday. Quote I never said that it
was better for black people than Jim Crow. Donald said, Quote,

(01:56):
don't try to impose the fact that marriage rates were
better in the higher higher, I want to be clear,
higher in the Jim Crow era to mean that I
think Jim Crow is great. Donald's continued, that's a lie,
that is gaslighting. I would never say such a thing.
Reid cited how black people face restricted rights in the
Jim Crow South and called Donald's comments inaccurate. Quote, No,

(02:18):
I'm not being inaccurate, the Florida Republicans, said, those im
to say, all I was talking about is black families.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
He added, So this story is kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
This guy ends up in the news for all the
wrong reasons, especially the person who's been tasked by Trump
to reach out to black voters. Give us your take
on how this first hit you.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, yeah, you know, it seems well, we live in
a time where black people are can find success by
pushing the agendas and ideologies of white supremacy. We see
this with him, We see what Cannis owns. You know,
Clarence Thomas, you know, his agenda has done every you know,

(03:02):
he's done everything in his his power to pull to
to to pull back the rights of black people. But
there you can find success in that lane because what
happens is when you have individuals who think that way,
have those out of those same ideologies, they can say, okay,
it's not racism because we have a black person who
thinks just like us. And so for him even to

(03:24):
to compare you know, Jim Crow to uh, you know,
black family and things of that nature. It's a whole system,
systematic situations that occurred that destroyed the black family. Uh.
And we can talk about the laws in terms of
red lining, and you know, even with you know, welfare
in terms of not allowing black men to be in

(03:46):
the household with black women.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So there's a whole system that created this.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Uh, you know, the low marriage race in terms of
what we saw in previously, and actually the marriage rates
have increased for black men and women. So you know,
it's just it's just unfortunate that he has this platform.
But like I say, I think there is a way
for some black people to find success by pushing these
ideologies of white supremacy.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
One of the things I've learned is that white people
may not necessarily be anti black in their estimation. Of
course they are, we know that they are. But in
their own estimation, they may think to themselves, you know,
I don't have a problem with black people. They stay
over there, I stay over here. That's fine, okay, So

(04:33):
very hands off approach, and they ignore their privilege, They
ignore the fact that they benefit from and indeed an
entire society that has been built for them to thrive, right,
And they turn their nose up at those on the
margins right, and ignore their contributions to society because it's
easier for them to insulate themselves from that reality, to

(04:57):
feel confident that they themselves are the manifestors of all
that is good in their world.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
They don't want to look at the hands that slaughtered
the meal. They just want the meal, right. They don't
want to they don't want to pay attention to the
to the uglier parts of their history. Okay, so they
may not be, in their own estimation anti black, but
the way that they move, the way that they vote,

(05:27):
the way that they think, is very pro white. And
what I mean when I say this is if there
are things that help them and people like them, and
they are ignoring the other people who are.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Being quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Sacrificed for their benefit, then to me, that means you know,
very very much pro white. You know, uh, Middle America,
you know, just the the platonic ideal of the all
American family.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
So when they're pro white and not anti black, they
end up butting up against that reality constantly. That the
things that they want for themselves and their family, the
policies that they espouse, the people that they vote for
are pushing a decidedly pro white agenda. But they themselves

(06:26):
don't want to feel racist. They don't want to feel
anti black, although we know that they are, they don't
want to feel that way. And what happens with people
like him, He makes them feel like, well, if this
gentleman is black and is saying the same pro white

(06:48):
stuff that I believe in, then I cannot be racist
because I like him, right, And so you're absolutely right
and that people like this absolutely can carve out a
lane for them themselves just singing white folk's greatest hits, right,
it's it's it's a cover band. You know, you got
to think of the mental gymnastics that you need to

(07:09):
do in order to praise any part of Jim Crow,
to even invoke Jim Crow into your speech when you're
attempting to convert black people to vote for your presidential candidate, right,
you got to think of how far you've gone and
then get on TV to then defend it. I was
only talking about marriage rates. Would be preposterous for me

(07:30):
to say anything else. Sure, sure, but let me let
me let me fill in some of the gaps here. Okay,
So recently I started doing a little bit of work
with the National Council for Negro Women. This is an
organization for those that are not familiar, that was founded
by Mary McLeod Bethune. Okay, so I'm gonna share a

(07:51):
bit from her bio and you can check this out
for yourself. It's on Women's Hisstory dot org. Mary McLoud
Bethune nineteen thirty five. She became the founding president of
the National Council of Negro Women. Bethune also played a
role in the transition of black voters from the Republican

(08:12):
Party or the Party of Lincoln. So you understand how
black people were initially the Republicans right to the Democratic
Party during the Great Depression.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay. This is directly from Women's History dot org.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And I'm sure you can find this elsewhere on the internet,
but this was the first thing that came up.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
In other words, she's one of the people that helped
transition black people away from the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Now, to be fair, the Republican Party and the Democratic
Party switched platforms, so that's one of the reasons why
it was very easy for black people to transition away
from the Republican Party. But here's another thing. Okay, this
is also something just google. It's up on my screen.
I googled who was the president during the Great Depression? Again,
the era in which Mary McLeod, Bethune and others were

(08:58):
helping black people transition away from the Republican Party. Herbert
Clark Hoover was an American politician and humanitarian who served
as the thirty first President of the United States from
nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty three. A member of
the Republican Party, he held office during the onset of

(09:20):
the Great Depression. Now, emir, you just taught us about
historically what was happening to black people during that time, Okay,
And I'm going to fill in some more gaps, just
for those that are uninitiated, like we both are. A
lot of the welfare programs that endure to this day

(09:43):
were created during the Great Depression. There was a very
obviously intense need for aid on the ground for human
beings who were starving, who lost businesses, lost everything. And
those policy were constructed in such a way that they

(10:04):
overwhelmingly benefited white people and did not help black people.
And what was what came after that Okay, we need
to rearrange what a family is so that we can
qualify for the same assistance that are that our white
neighbors are getting. Right, we need we need to do
something because we're hungry, okay, And this is a part

(10:29):
of how, you know, you get that deterioration of the
black family. And the funny thing is that this country
will never take responsibility for that their own role in
this quote unquote deterioration or breakdown of the black family.
But that was one of the things that helped change that.
And then, of course, when you have a Republican in
office who's spearheading this movement, black people cannot get assistance.

(10:51):
And the Democrats are right there saying, hey, you know what,
we'll take those votes.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Not we care about those people, but we'll take those votes.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Let's put something together that kind of centers them a
little bit more right, and then we all switch in
mass to the Democratic Party, which we are all largely
Democratic voters today. So again you see the mental gymnastics
that this gentleman has to go through in order to
say some coonishness, I'll be honest like this, and then

(11:20):
double down on it on television later it's just the
wildest thing, and he's clown shoes, and I don't want
to talk about him anymore. So let's move on, all right.
Next up, this is you man. This is you from
the Atlanta Daily World. Your words here. Programs that seek
to remedy the issue of low funding for black businesses
are in jeopardy after an Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals

(11:42):
put a halt to the Fearless Fund this week of
three judge panel, two judges appointed by Donald Trump and
won by President Barack Obama, ruled two to one that
Fearless Fund is not protected by the First Amendment in
its efforts to provide grants for black women in business.
Civil rights attorney Keana Channel provided insight on the historic ruling, quote,

(12:02):
it's a huge ruling, just going back to last year
when affirmative action was turned on its head by the
Supreme Court. As an attorney, we really look to pass
rulings to dictate what future rulings will be. So in law,
everything is built on precedent, and so when you see
a ruling like the Permanent Action ruling from last summer,
it turns fifty plus years of precedent on its head.

(12:24):
The same thing happened with roeby Wade quote. The judges
sided with Edward Bloom, president of aa ER. Bloom is
on a racially charged mission to destroy the progression of
blacks in America. Bloom has filed three lawsuits since August
challenging grant and fellowship programs designed to help black, Hispanic
and other underrepresented minority groups achieve greater career opportunities. So,

(12:49):
I know I've already said your words. There a brilliant article,
and that's not all of it. Of course, you can
check out the full rite up on Atlanta Daily World
on the website for Atlanta Daily World. But you know,
fill in the gaps for us, help us, you know,
make heads or tails of what's actually happening here.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, So this is you know, when people say that
elections have consequences, this is a prime example of how
elections have consequences. So we go back this guy, Edward Bloom,
he's from He's actually from Texas. Years ago, like nineteen ninety,
nineteen ninety one, he ran for a political office and
he lost to a black, a black man. Since that moment,

(13:28):
Edward Bloom has made his life's goal to basically destroy
every diversity program there. He is. He'd been been going
at the Affirmative Action for decades. This this didn't happen now,
but he had been going at the Affirmative Action since
the nineties, now able to get some support financially from

(13:48):
individuals who thought like him, who believed in the things
that he believed in.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
So they were able to supply people for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Anyway, Because to be clear, let me jump in to
be clear, if you read anything about what he does,
anything that he says, anything like that, he says that
he is basically seeking equality for everyone, right, But when
the systems in place benefit everyone, the systems in place

(14:17):
were designed to benefit white people. So if everyone has
equal access to a system that benefits white people, those
of those who are not white will benefit to the
same degree, then white people will Okay, So what he's
doing is attacking equity programs. Equity brings balance to where
everyone ends up with the same result. Okay, not with

(14:40):
the same opportunity, because some people are able to take
advantage of.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Opportunities that others aren't.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
If I'm born with the same intelligence as you, and
you come from a family of means, then you can
afford Harvard and I can afford community college, and that
shapes outcomes. Okay, So affirmative action was seeking to balance that,
and he's rolling that back. If you if you read
about his website, it's it's he would not say that
he's anti black, but he's pro white, and that he's

(15:06):
trying to get white people to take advantage of the
Fearless Fund as well.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So go ahead, yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's systems in place that benefit white people more so
than black people. That's just that's basically just how it
is how the country was founded. So fast Forward affirmed
the action would have never been taken down under a
normal Supreme court. And so that's why I say elections matter,
because if Trump wasn't getting in twenty sixteen, or even
if uh, you know, Obama was able to get in

(15:33):
two Supreme Court justices during during right before right before
uh he left office, then we have a different Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right now. You have a radical Supreme.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Court that's that's fully engaged in the right And so
you know, with Trump being able to get those Supreme
Court justices in, he was able to overturn basically in
affirmative action, and once a firm of action falls, then
everything else that's similar falls, and that's to the equity
and inclusion. And so when you talk about the Fearless Fund,

(16:06):
and basically the Fearless Fund was seeking, as you say,
to remedy an issue where women who own black businesses,
they get less than one percent of funding for diversity.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's less than one percent.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
So basically the Fearless Fund, they're giving grants, and the
grants aren't really significant. I mean, it's it's not like
it's like twenty twenty five thousand. It's just enough to
kind of to kind of get you going. So it's
not a it's not a real infusion. But you know,
the issue is that you know, he's he's using the
Civil Rights Act of nineteen of eighteen eighteen. It was

(16:42):
basically it was it was used to remedy slavery. Right,
it's trying to do this first thing where unfortunately these
Trump judges to Trump too, Trump appointed judges are are
are leaning on this Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty
six saying that it's basically against the law to use

(17:05):
race and contracts when it comes to any type of contract. Now,
in terms of charity, you know, we have charities for
people who are handicapped, we have charities for specifically for women.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Uh. It's all sorts of charities that.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Fund different types of individual individuals or groups. He's not
going after any of those. He's going after specifically this
this uh fund or that that helps black people. And
like I say, this is this is a real uh
wake up call, I hope for voters, because what happens

(17:39):
is if if Trump gets in in this next election,
Alito and Clarence Thomas will probably retire and Trump will
get two more judges who think just like this. Yes,
I know, you know some people are against Biden for
some of the things. I mean, it's it's been a
it's been a very turbulent uh uh tenure for for
for Biden in the last four years. But you only
have two choices. And I say, you know, when it

(18:01):
comes to Biden and Trump, there's only one significant choice
that's going to kilt black people versus destroy the entire
outcome of our future. So I said, to really think
about this next election.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well said at Well said, you know, one of the
scariest things is when I see the numbers that black
men are, you know, supporting Trump and It's not a
significant number, but it's enough to, you know, make headlines
make a difference. And I wonder to what end? I
wonder to what end? And even if you don't vote

(18:34):
for yourself, you know, you have to bear in mind
that there are other people who may not get to
the level that you got to. I was born with
a certain brain and a certain set of circumstances, and
a few people helped me along the way, and so
I was able to make a success story out of myself.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But it wasn't because I worked hard. Everybody works hard,
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
It wasn't because it was because I was lucky, right,
And then so for other people to like, imagine, if
I looked around I was like, yeah, I worked hard,
I did it. I wanted I went for it, and
it saw me and everybody else got to get theirs.
How naive I would be?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
And if I was like one of those Trump votes
and I went and like, yeah, well, you know, I
don't care about affirmative action. I didn't need it, you know,
so you know whatever, if that's one of the consequences
of voting for Trump, then cool. You know that, how
naive would I be? I want to see my people thrive.
I want to see my people have an equitable experience
in this country, and voting for Trump does not.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yield that.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
As a result, indeed, it locks us into like a
fifties era type America because of Project twenty twenty five.
And we've talked about Project twenty twenty five one hundred
times on this show. But for those who are uninitiated,
please just look up Project twenty twenty five and you
will see that there.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Is a concerted effort too.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Again indeed lock us in to like three nineteen fifties
America with all the rights and privileges that were present
in nineteen fifties America, you know, and for women too.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And this is the wildest.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Thing because you know, you mentioned that the uh, these
these diversity programs, these government back diversity programs that you
would think would benefit black women, they over what, like
you said, what is a less than one percent of
the funds end up in the hands of black women's
and the biggest benefitters of these programs are white women.

(20:37):
So the Fearless Fund was specifically trying to remedy the
fact that only one percent of Black women or one
percent of these funds were making it their way to
black women, right, And so for a minority effort, a
government backed minority effort that were only one percent of
it benefits black women, there's kind of a they're really

(20:59):
playing with the optics there. So a freedom Fund type
endeavor is necessary. And when even that's getting attacked, it's
like they want the ninety nine percent and then they
want us to have nothing on the back end. So
this is what I mean when I say they don't
want to say that they're anti black. They're comfortable enough

(21:19):
with pro white. They don't want to say that they're
anti black. But this is decidedly anti black.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It just is. And you know, for the.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
People that want to cast their vote in that direction,
you know you're investing in a compromised future for black people.
We thought so hard for equity. Equality was first. That's fair,
but equality was a lifetime ago. Equity brings us to
where we do have, indeed, that fair shot at the

(21:51):
American dream. Statistically speaking, not talking about individuals, I'm talking
about statistically to where the rates of this, the rates
of that, the rates of the other are equal or
proportional across all demographics. So sorry, sometimes I get a
little passionate, but you know this is my life's work now,
so it's needy.

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Speaker 1 (22:29):
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Shaw all Right next step from the Black Information Network.
A Democratic lawmaker reportedly used a racial slur during a
phone call to his former employer, asking for Chris the
N word. According to police reports obtained by Freebeacon, New

(22:50):
Mexico Representative Gabe Basquez, the Democrat made the racist comment
when he was a college student in two thousand and four.
During a phone conversation with a human resources employee at
the Las Crusis, New Mexico, call center, Vasquez reportedly asked
to speak with an individual named Chris. Basquez referred to
the individual as the inWORD when asked to clarify who

(23:13):
he wanted to speak to. Reports state the human resource
employee hung up and later left a message for Vasquez,
saying she planned to file a police report over the incident.
In the police report obtained by Freebeacon, the staffer said
Vasquez quote had been calling harassing employees end quote after
he was terminated for a cause for falsifying data. On

(23:34):
July twenty, two, thousand and four. At one point, Basquez
called Research Data Design and she answered the phone. She
stated that the person asked, is Chris there? She said who?

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Who?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Which Chris as apparently there are a number of Chrises there,
and he said Chris the inward and she hung up.
She stated that shortly thereafter, another telephone call was received
by another employee who ask for Chris, and he said
Chris who and the reply was Chris the black man,
the police report stays. In a statement, Vasquez denied using

(24:10):
the racial slur and accused his Republican opponents of making
up false narratives ahead of the election. Quote, I am
not and would never use language like this. This attack
is categorically false. This is another example of how desperate
Republicans are lying about my character rather than focusing on
delivering for New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So a lot there, give us your thoughts here.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't know, it's kind of
like unfortunately we live in a we live in a
space where you almost have to we know that there's
there's racism in almost every person, right, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, it's a little bit, right, I go with that. Yeah, yeah.
And so you know, for.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Him, for him to do this, now he was a
college student, not giving any excuses at all, but it
kind of is shows you where he stands and how
we how we how we truly thinks regardless of political party. Uh,
you know, racism exists, and so is what we deal
with on a day to day basis of like not
knowing who we can and cannot trust. I think that's
the biggest The biggest issue is that who do we

(25:16):
know really represents us in a in a sense not
just from a from a policy standpoint, but actually our
true ally And you know that's something that we we
never can really you know, as black people, do you
live in a space where you never really truly know?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's kind of a weird thing, and it just puts
it to the forefront. Someone who's a Democrat, who probably
uh follows the ideologies that we would think that would
help increase diversity efforts, but this is how he truly feels,
and this is you know, for him to say this
word and you know, to call someone, it just shows
you that this is the space that we live in

(25:54):
where we we never know who we can and can'tnot
trust on that level.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, you're you're absolutely right this is And for this
to be a Democrat too, it's kind of like, you know,
we we already got enough of that. What have Democrats
done for black people? The Democrats are we're on the
Democrat plantation. We got enough of that from our own people.
So when stories like this come out and it kind

(26:19):
of gives a little bit in the way of like,
maybe not credibility, but it allows people to further question.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
How Democrats are benefiting black people.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's not cool because we already have an uphill battle,
as we've established. But one of the things that I
do want to share this is an unpopular opinion, I
know because our listeners let me hear about it, but
you know, it's I believe it's important to say it
as often as I have a microphone in an audience.

(26:52):
There has to be a path to redemption, There has
to be a path to forgiveness. There has to be
a path for for people who make mistakes. Now again,
he's denying that he ever said this, and he's saying
that Republicans are making that up, which is just as
likely to be true. But if I'm speaking generally again,

(27:17):
what happens is if someone makes a mistake and they
call someone the inWORD, we'll just say or do does
something racist?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And we say that's racist, and that person says, wow,
I am very sorry.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm a different person. That was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I've changed, I've learned, I've grown, I've had friendships, I've
matured as a human being.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I say that is everyone's right.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I was doing some wild stuff in two thousand and four,
and thank god that there is a statute of limitations
because if that came out now, you know, you know,
I don't know that I would be canceled for it,
but for me to be held accountable to suffer the
consequences of the person that I was in two thousand
and four.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I was in college in O four and I.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Had no money, and I was trying to get some money,
and I did some stuff that was not smart, like
international border is not smart, you know what I mean?
And now I can look back on it and say
that was stupid. But at the time it just felt
like the best opportunity in the world, Like, how could
you know what I mean? And so again, I've had
time to mature and grow and develop as a human being. Right,

(28:30):
So everyone deserves that right, Every human being deserves the
right to be a human being, to learn from their mistakes,
to grow and develop. Furthermore, when we cancel a person
for making a mistake, what it ends up doing is
because people have a strong need to feel like they
belong somewhere or social creatures. Right, if we cancel a person,

(28:55):
rather than allow them a path to forgiveness, a road
to redemption, okay, we cancel them, they will find that
community in our opposition, the people who sincerely feel that
way and still feel that way today, right, And they
will go into the far right reaches of the internet,

(29:17):
and they will recess into these deep dark holes and
conversations and so forth where they feel that they will
be accepted. And what happens is they fortify the numbers
of the opposition. Then they take up the mantle and
chant and march with our opposition.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right. And so one thing he didn't do was admit
that this happened. May not have happened.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
One another thing he didn't do is apologize, okay, because
that's kind of the starting point for Okay, how does
forgiveness look for us? What do we need in order
to get past this? But you know, I say that
twenty almost twenty one year or almost twenty two years

(30:06):
of time from a mistake that you're caught making is
plenty of time to learn who you are, to develop
as a person, you know what I mean. He might
have known it was wrong then, but to know what
it means, how does it feel to say this, to

(30:27):
use this language, That's something that it might take some
time to learn. And if he's a democratic lawmaker, I
would imagine that that's not something that he says anymore,
something he feels anymore. If in fact, he did say,
I'd imagine he's grown and developed. And for us to
hold you know, the twenty one year old or nineteen

(30:47):
year old or whatever age he was at the time
person accountable for something and have the you know, forty
plus year old man suffer the consequences of that. I
feel like that might be a little bit of a reach.
That is indicative of mob mentality, which black people are

(31:08):
just as susceptible to developing mob mentality as anyone else.
And so I'm not saying just go blindly forgive people.
I'm not saying keep turning the other cheek. I'm not
saying anything like that. But I'm saying, let's be strategic
about how this looks, because we are on a mission
and we need people who are willing to learn. We

(31:29):
need people who are willing to fortify our numbers, not
the numbers of our opposition. And we need, you know,
people who understand and espouse the views that we do.
And so, you know, I say, let's not pick up

(31:50):
the pitchforks just yet, all right. For our final story,
this comes from Black Enterprise. Bernard bun B. Freeman's restaurant
Trohberger's has been entangled in a lawsuit that jedge as
Freeman and his business partners Andy Wynn and Nick Skurfield
stole the recipe for the smash burgers from their former
business partners, siblings, Patsy and Benson Vivaris. In addition, the

(32:12):
Vivaruses allege that they were pushed out of the business. Meanwhile,
Freeman and his partners alleged that the Vivaris siblings Sorry
stole forty five thousand dollars from Trilburger's following the concepts
debut at the Houston Livestock Show in Rodeo in twenty
twenty one to pay off debts at Sticky's Chicken, another

(32:33):
restaurant they owned at the time. As shran dot com reports,
on May twenty third, a judge ruled in favor of
the Vivaris siblings, granting an injunction against the restaurant and
its owners, as well as any related companies. This means
that Trilburger's remains open for business as normal, but it
will not pay out any management fees to its current
ownership group. In addition, Trilburger's has been ordered to repay

(32:56):
attorney's fees and cannot hire additional council for Freeman and
his partners. This means that the five thousand dollars monthly
payments from Trilburger's will cease penning the lawsuits resolution. Lawyers
representing Trilburgers say that this arrangement could cripple the establishment
and also makes it impossible for the company to pay
its employees, it's least and other required expenses to remain operational.

(33:20):
So this is kind of a sad one because Trilburger's
is kind of like everyone coast to coast is like
championing Bunbee and Trilburgers. That's kind of a must hit,
you know, mus must see place when you get to Houston. So,
I don't know, give us an idea on how this
one hits you. I know, the temperature in the hip

(33:41):
hop community is kind of like a little a little
depressed because of this one.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
But but you know, minside, when it comes to you know,
business and like you know, the legal front from you know,
former business partners, it can get very ugly, right, So
we're really just seeing this play out in real time,
and you know, you talk about the Trio Burgers. He

(34:08):
was actually in Atlanta for the Rick Ross Car Show
last weekend, and so you know, that was one of
the biggest things that Trio Burgers, Uh was was in Atlanta.
And of course, you know, it's been it's been you know,
promoted by people like Beyonce and multiple celebrities have have
really gravitated towards uh his establishment, and it's always good

(34:30):
to see someone have you know, a life after you
know that initial uh you know phase of music or
things of that nature. And I just know my thing
is I just hope that they can come to a
resolution at some point.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
We don't really know the behind the scenes things that
happened because we just we weren't there. We don't know,
you know, from either side, you know what's the what's
the truth. But if you go by the you know,
what happened with the rulings, it can definitely destroy Trio
Burgers and and what's been established. But at the same time,
I think bun B has a name, and I think

(35:05):
when you have a name, you can kind of pivot
in a way where you can create another you can
do something in another another concept that can still be
successful because he just has that that reach and uh,
you know, he has the resources to do it again.
I do want to. I do want to kind of
pivot though, just you know, uh, because bun b was
in the news for something.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Else last year.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, being in court he testified against the individual
who broke into his home and put a gun to
his wife's wife and bun Bee was able to chase
him down. Uh, but he chased him down and he
was able to to kind of hold him there until
the cops came, and you know, I've just been seeing

(35:49):
a lot of back and forth online about you know,
you just have these individuals who just unfortunately, we you know,
with with with social media, anyone can say anything that's stupid, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And it gets a lot of play.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
And so what was happening with with this Bunbee situation
was like some people were saying, oh, he's snitching because
he's testifying against the person who put a gun to
his wife's head. And I'm just like, first of all,
is not a he's not a criminal. He's not in
a criminal organization exactly, So there's no you know, there

(36:22):
should not be any issue with him testifying against someone
who put a gun to his wife's head.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
And so I just think we just have this you know,
unfortunate uh, you know, notion that you know that everyone
has to play by some street rules and and and
most of the people who are tweeting these things aren't
in the streets, they're not involved in any criminal organization,
They have no sway over anybody, but they want to
have an opinion about someone who went through a traumatic situation.

(36:49):
And so just definitely want to you know, pray for
for Bumbee and his family because you know, that was
a traumatic ordeal. And the individual who who who was arrested,
he ended up being sentenced to forty years in prison.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Sure, and that's and that's appropriate. I mean, bad people
come in all colors, and good people come in all colors, right,
and you know, desperate people come in all colors, and
so forth and so on. And you know, as you mentioned,
if you and I are both doing some dirt together
in the street and you get caught and then you

(37:27):
tell the.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Police that I was doing it with you, that's snitching.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
If you and I are two individuals living our lives
separately and I rob you or I cause harm to you,
and you tell the police that I did, you're still
operating in the framework of a traditional society.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's how things work. That is not snitching.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And it's not all atwis about, you know, protect black
men from police or whatever. I'm one hundred percent on
board with that when it makes the most sense. Little
stuff people that's desperate, little you know, property crimes. You know,
you don't need people with guns. If you can work
that out yourself. I mean you could see me, so
you know, if you can work that out yourself. You
work it out yourself, you know what I'm saying. But

(38:09):
you know, somebody breaking into your house with a gun,
a home invasion, you know you're you're now vulnerable. You
know again you have to do something to protect your home.
And you know he had his gun and all that
sort of stuff. I'm not a gun person, but you
know he has to make sure that his wife feels
comfortable in their home and that this sort of thing
doesn't happen again. Right, And then you know, I'm not
mad at that man making the decision that was right

(38:29):
for his family. And no matter what, I wouldn't call
that snitching because he didn't know this guy. Again, you
if you know somebody and you get caught and you
take them down so that you have less time or
less consequences, that's snitching.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
We'll stop outside of that.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know, don't don't don't knock a poor chop off
my plate, and I want knock one off of yours,
or however the state statement goes anyway. Yeah, indeed, all
those that know and love him, let's pray for Bunbee.
But we'll leave it all right there. So thank you
very much for your time and your insight once again.
Today's guest is the author of the book Trap History
and the executive editor of Atlanta Daily World, mister A. R.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Shaw.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
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