May 12, 2025 • 17 mins
On today's podcast, Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward share the reasons as to why many intellectuals tend to lean liberal in their political beliefs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sometimes we're just as shocked or moved or energized by
the news we cover as anyone would be, but by
the time we share it, our initial reaction has settled
a bit. But for these stories, we want you to
learn about the news at the same time we do.
Welcome to another installment of and then you don't know
not you know?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right, Ce, I came across something on the Internet
and I, I really, I'm just gonna read this to
you and get your thoughts. Okay, this is this. I
will see upfront that this might be biased. I will
seed upfront that this is you know, kind of in
(00:50):
our sort of friendly chamber here where you know, we
don't really attack you know, progressive ideas and a more
liberal philosophy as often as it's challenged in other media
outlets and so forth. But I think your thoughts here
(01:12):
are going to help me further shape my thoughts. And
I think that whatever conversation we ultimately end up having
based on this would be a benefit to our listeners.
So I will share I came across this from Quora,
which I admit is just kind of a like who
(01:32):
gets content from there?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But there was a gentleman who was a Google employee.
I won't say his name because he didn't ask to
be mentioned, but I want to make sure that folks
know that this is not our original works. But you know,
I do want to share what he says because I
think it's I think there might be something here. He says.
Why do intellectuals mainly belong to the left? As Stephen
(01:58):
Colbert puts it, reality has a well known liberal bias.
It goes on to say, conservative ideology depends on disregarding, dismissing,
or simply not learning some basic facts about the world.
A trivial example of this is that conservatives still embrace
the idea that cutting taxes on the wealthy will stimulate
the economy, or create jobs, or basically do anything at
(02:18):
all to increase American standard of living. We've known that
this is not true for decades, but it's still a
foundational belief because it serves the interest of the people
who conservative conservatism sorry fundamentally serves. It's not that leftist
ideology is somehow magically free of foolishness. There's a lot
of it there, But in general, intellectuals are not immune
to argument or to change their position in response to
(02:42):
new findings about the world. In general, dogmatic Marxists are
pretty reliable about reinterpreting the facts to fit their beliefs.
Just ask one of them about the Molotov vond Ribbentrop Pact.
Conservative dogma is foundational. For instance, it's a fundamental belief
among the American Conservatives that functional public service is generally
(03:04):
impossible to attain, and where they exist at all, they
are a symptom of a socialist regime that is doomed
to collapse. These guys pull out a lot of no
true Scotsmen arguments if they ever spend time in the
Netherlands or Scandinavia. You can't be an actual intellectual if
(03:28):
you're not willing to challenge and even abandon your dogmatic beliefs.
American Conservatives who do this are immediately branded as false
conservatives by their former peers. So that's really it, and
I want to, you know, get your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, there's not much to say. There's not much
in the way of notes to add to something that's
stated so plainly and so factually. Intellectual arguments require fact.
The right wing conservative politics in this country of hyper
capitalism use this manipulation to control the population and keep
(04:11):
it poor and oppressed. So you can't present facts to
people who you need to vote, march, and organize against
their own best interest to keep you employed and rich.
So yeah, intellectuals lean to the liberal side that says
that collectively we are better and stronger, more sufficient in
(04:31):
a better overall country. We're working to help one another
and historically those around the world, some might call them allies.
So this is something that you and I have long
argued and even stated on multiple platforms.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The truth does have a liberal bias.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There's a requirement of agreeing on the reality that we
live in, and there are those in this country to
uphold themselves and their friends with immense wealth. Those who could,
without changing anything about their quality of life systematically or systemically,
I'm sorry, end world hunger and homelessness without even noticing
(05:19):
it in their bank accounts. Would rather trick people into
thinking they want to help them to make themselves richer
than anyone else in history, to only further oppress, further marginalize,
and further push out those who have less access to resources, education, healthcare, etc. So, yeah,
(05:44):
I'm hoping that we have some listeners that are hearing
this for the first time, and that their ears perked up,
and that they're going to take out their computers or
they're going to go to the library and they're going
to learn a little bit more about this way of
thinking in this ideology. But I also don't think we
just said anything ground break in a profound Now it's
been obvious to us for years, for a long time
(06:06):
that I'm hoping shall be the case moving forward for
those who are tuned in with us, So watch this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
One of the things that I've kind of started doing
is looking at things that support my view of the world.
As you mentioned, that's something that we've said quite a bit.
You know, the truth kind of has a liberal bias
to it. The objective truth, not our version of truth,
(06:34):
just the actual the facts. Is this a racist country?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, what do you want me to say? But
if I come across something like this, I try to think, Okay,
where are the holes in this argument? Because you know,
we need to be prepared. There are people that challenge
us all the time, and a lot of these people
(07:02):
are dumb as a rock, but some of them are not.
There are intellectuals on the right, and you know, a
lot of the things that I would say about those
intellectuals on the right are things that they conceivably could
say about me or my way of thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Give me an example.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay, I'm glad you asked. Now, this doesn't make it true.
But if I take a look at someone on the
right and their interpretation of a historical event or a
piece of legislation or something like that, and I say, hey, look,
you're warping the the intention. You're whorping the meaning, you're
(07:48):
wharping the essence. You're picking and choosing, you're cherry picking.
You're connecting the only the dots that you want to
connect to make the argument that whatever your argument is,
they it's not as well founded. I can assure you
(08:08):
that much. But they can often do the same thing here.
And it sounds reasonably intellectual, and it sounds like it's
based on facts, and it sounds you know, and it
is based on facts, you know what I mean. And
there are healthy debates that can take place from people
with you know, conservative ideologies and people with you know,
more progressive liberal lite ideologies. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The problem with that argument, however, is that they're either
not intelligent or not honest. So this straw man kind
of falls apart at that point.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, so this is something that I'm on the other.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Side of this argument. But if you're an intellectual and
actually an intelligent person, then you're being dishonest to try
to make rams just look bad in an argument arguing
things that you know aren't true, right, so presenting yourself
as unintelligent.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, so this is what I found to be true.
What you're saying is what I found to be true
with folks like you know, your Candice Owens isn't your
you know, Charlie Kirks, and being Shapiro's and things like that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Where.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You have to have a decidedly cold and unkind approach
to almost almost like to a to an inhuman level.
We are we are social creatures. We we thrive as
a species for caring for each other. This is why
(09:40):
we have such long live Grandma's are a thing and
great grandma's and great great grandma's are a thing in
our species because we care for each other. We were social,
we have that social hierarchy and and and so forth.
So you have to be intentiontionally unkind in order to
(10:03):
make a lot of the arguments that are found on
that side. It is. It goes against what I would
consider to be our human nature. But they do a
great job of making their their arguments sound intellectual, right.
And the only reason I'm saying this is to say
for people that might push back on the conversation we're
(10:23):
having that yes, you can find intellectuals on both sides.
But the person that wrote this, this response to the
question on Quora says, you know or respond is responding
to a question that asks why are more intellectuals found
on the left? Is effectively what the question and the
(10:46):
response to the question is about. And you know, we've
seen that in education, We've seen that in the voter base.
You know, the people that are less informed, less educated,
less less, less less they often tend to vote you know,
on the right. They're more susceptible to misinformation, disinformation, propaganda,
(11:08):
et cetera. People that are more informed tend to vote,
you know, more left. That's where you find, you know,
the people that are the intellectuals. And so this is
consistent with what we know. It's just I got to
be mindful of the fact that there's that pushback, and
(11:28):
I have to acknowledge that there are people who are
great debaters, that are prepared for debates, people that are
quick on their feet, people that are intellectuals, and you know,
as you mentioned that they have straw man's they have
you know, ways of and I see this a lot
(11:49):
in politics. They will you will ask a direct question
and instead of answering the question directly, they will pivot
away from the question because giving an answer my not
really help them with their political agenda. They'll pivot to
something else and say, well, look, here's what we need
to focus on. You know, I recognize that, but we
(12:11):
need to focus on this right, and then to just
kind of gloss over that. And again that's something that
happens on both sides. But you know, whenever you do
try to press conservatives maga folks in particular on these issues,
you know that their their intellectual capacity and you know,
(12:32):
I found it ultimately runs out and they deploy those
other types of tricks. And so.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The logical fallacy is a weapon of the dishonest or
the uninformed. So again, I don't want to hear about
how intellectual you are if you have to lie to
make the point you're trying to make, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Fair, or I think that I'd go a step further,
or if you have to be unkind, you have to
ignore the realities for people that there are certain factors
that affect people in this community and shape outcomes for
(13:12):
these type of people and people that are born this
way and whatever. If you ignore that, and you ignore
the artificial forces that have been present in a society
for sometimes hundreds of years in some instances, if you
ignore that and and the legacy of those artificial forces,
(13:37):
and you just say, hey, look, you were born on
this day at this time. I was born on this
day at this time, and we both had a similar
go at it. So what's the what you know, what
I mean, and you ignore all that that argument is
obtuse intellectually, and you know the intellectuals. I think that
I think what we're what we're finding out rather is
(13:58):
that the people people that we would consider intellectuals, they
don't quite cross the finish line as often on the
right because a lot of times the arguments that they
do have breakdown because of what you mentioned, or because
they just are morally inconsistent with again our shared kind
(14:20):
of human nature.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So in most cases they are more racist than they are.
Say it Q straight straightforwardly. Yes, they're logical. They can't
pass logical scrutiny because they're reasoning intersects with their racism.
They either have to lie to themselves or to you
to even make the argument they're making. Even if it's
(14:41):
based in them being cruel, that still stems back to
them being racist.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, there it is. I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
The logical fallacy is weak and it is meant to
mislead and manipulate intentionally, all right, it cannot hold up
the logical scrutiny. That's why some of these right wing
intellectuals look really silly when they sit down with an
actual intellectual, because that person isn't arguing from a left
point of view, they're just arguing fact. Yeah, this person
(15:11):
is arguing from a right point of view and have
to hold that position in order.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
To justify break it down. And a lot of times
it's religious based, not always, but a lot of times
it's based on religion, and.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So then that is also based in racism. Yeah that
ain't that's not Jesus. That's stuff you just said.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's actually all anti Jesus. Opposite. I was
gonna say that, so yeah, man, what a world. So anyway,
this one I felt like, you know, there's a lot
of people that you know, even people who listen to
this show, a lot of people that you know consume,
you know, our content for the bi in, but they
do listen to folks like candicell Ands. They do listen
to you know, you know, I mean, there's there's folks
(15:53):
on the bi in who fundamentally disagree with me and
Q on almost everything. For what reason, I couldn't tell you,
but we find that they are often very insulting and hurtful,
and they're black, and that's very sad because those black
people will pick on black people. And you know, we
(16:16):
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Sometimes we're just as shocked or moved or energized by
the news we cover as anyone would be, but by
the time we share it, our initial reaction has settled
a bit. But for these stories, we want you to
learn about the news at the same time we do.
Welcome to another installment of and then you don't know
not you know?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right, Ce, I came across something on the Internet
and I, I really, I'm just gonna read this to
you and get your thoughts. Okay, this is this. I
will see upfront that this might be biased. I will
seed upfront that this is you know, kind of in
(00:50):
our sort of friendly chamber here where you know, we
don't really attack you know, progressive ideas and a more
liberal philosophy as often as it's challenged in other media
outlets and so forth. But I think your thoughts here
(01:12):
are going to help me further shape my thoughts. And
I think that whatever conversation we ultimately end up having
based on this would be a benefit to our listeners.
So I will share I came across this from Quora,
which I admit is just kind of a like who
(01:32):
gets content from there?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But there was a gentleman who was a Google employee.
I won't say his name because he didn't ask to
be mentioned, but I want to make sure that folks
know that this is not our original works. But you know,
I do want to share what he says because I
think it's I think there might be something here. He says.
Why do intellectuals mainly belong to the left? As Stephen
(01:58):
Colbert puts it, reality has a well known liberal bias.
It goes on to say, conservative ideology depends on disregarding, dismissing,
or simply not learning some basic facts about the world.
A trivial example of this is that conservatives still embrace
the idea that cutting taxes on the wealthy will stimulate
the economy, or create jobs, or basically do anything at
(02:18):
all to increase American standard of living. We've known that
this is not true for decades, but it's still a
foundational belief because it serves the interest of the people
who conservative conservatism sorry fundamentally serves. It's not that leftist
ideology is somehow magically free of foolishness. There's a lot
of it there, But in general, intellectuals are not immune
to argument or to change their position in response to
(02:42):
new findings about the world. In general, dogmatic Marxists are
pretty reliable about reinterpreting the facts to fit their beliefs.
Just ask one of them about the Molotov vond Ribbentrop Pact.
Conservative dogma is foundational. For instance, it's a fundamental belief
among the American Conservatives that functional public service is generally
(03:04):
impossible to attain, and where they exist at all, they
are a symptom of a socialist regime that is doomed
to collapse. These guys pull out a lot of no
true Scotsmen arguments if they ever spend time in the
Netherlands or Scandinavia. You can't be an actual intellectual if
(03:28):
you're not willing to challenge and even abandon your dogmatic beliefs.
American Conservatives who do this are immediately branded as false
conservatives by their former peers. So that's really it, and
I want to, you know, get your thoughts here.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, there's not much to say. There's not much
in the way of notes to add to something that's
stated so plainly and so factually. Intellectual arguments require fact.
The right wing conservative politics in this country of hyper
capitalism use this manipulation to control the population and keep
(04:11):
it poor and oppressed. So you can't present facts to
people who you need to vote, march, and organize against
their own best interest to keep you employed and rich.
So yeah, intellectuals lean to the liberal side that says
that collectively we are better and stronger, more sufficient in
(04:31):
a better overall country. We're working to help one another
and historically those around the world, some might call them allies.
So this is something that you and I have long
argued and even stated on multiple platforms.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The truth does have a liberal bias.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There's a requirement of agreeing on the reality that we
live in, and there are those in this country to
uphold themselves and their friends with immense wealth. Those who could,
without changing anything about their quality of life systematically or systemically,
I'm sorry, end world hunger and homelessness without even noticing
(05:19):
it in their bank accounts. Would rather trick people into
thinking they want to help them to make themselves richer
than anyone else in history, to only further oppress, further marginalize,
and further push out those who have less access to resources, education, healthcare, etc. So, yeah,
(05:44):
I'm hoping that we have some listeners that are hearing
this for the first time, and that their ears perked up,
and that they're going to take out their computers or
they're going to go to the library and they're going
to learn a little bit more about this way of
thinking in this ideology. But I also don't think we
just said anything ground break in a profound Now it's
been obvious to us for years, for a long time
(06:06):
that I'm hoping shall be the case moving forward for
those who are tuned in with us, So watch this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
One of the things that I've kind of started doing
is looking at things that support my view of the world.
As you mentioned, that's something that we've said quite a bit.
You know, the truth kind of has a liberal bias
to it. The objective truth, not our version of truth,
(06:34):
just the actual the facts. Is this a racist country?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, what do you want me to say? But
if I come across something like this, I try to think, Okay,
where are the holes in this argument? Because you know,
we need to be prepared. There are people that challenge
us all the time, and a lot of these people
(07:02):
are dumb as a rock, but some of them are not.
There are intellectuals on the right, and you know, a
lot of the things that I would say about those
intellectuals on the right are things that they conceivably could
say about me or my way of thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Give me an example.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay, I'm glad you asked. Now, this doesn't make it true.
But if I take a look at someone on the
right and their interpretation of a historical event or a
piece of legislation or something like that, and I say, hey, look,
you're warping the the intention. You're whorping the meaning, you're
(07:48):
wharping the essence. You're picking and choosing, you're cherry picking.
You're connecting the only the dots that you want to
connect to make the argument that whatever your argument is,
they it's not as well founded. I can assure you
(08:08):
that much. But they can often do the same thing here.
And it sounds reasonably intellectual, and it sounds like it's
based on facts, and it sounds you know, and it
is based on facts, you know what I mean. And
there are healthy debates that can take place from people
with you know, conservative ideologies and people with you know,
more progressive liberal lite ideologies. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The problem with that argument, however, is that they're either
not intelligent or not honest. So this straw man kind
of falls apart at that point.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, so this is something that I'm on the other.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Side of this argument. But if you're an intellectual and
actually an intelligent person, then you're being dishonest to try
to make rams just look bad in an argument arguing
things that you know aren't true, right, so presenting yourself
as unintelligent.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, so this is what I found to be true.
What you're saying is what I found to be true
with folks like you know, your Candice Owens isn't your
you know, Charlie Kirks, and being Shapiro's and things like that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Where.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You have to have a decidedly cold and unkind approach
to almost almost like to a to an inhuman level.
We are we are social creatures. We we thrive as
a species for caring for each other. This is why
(09:40):
we have such long live Grandma's are a thing and
great grandma's and great great grandma's are a thing in
our species because we care for each other. We were social,
we have that social hierarchy and and and so forth.
So you have to be intentiontionally unkind in order to
(10:03):
make a lot of the arguments that are found on
that side. It is. It goes against what I would
consider to be our human nature. But they do a
great job of making their their arguments sound intellectual, right.
And the only reason I'm saying this is to say
for people that might push back on the conversation we're
(10:23):
having that yes, you can find intellectuals on both sides.
But the person that wrote this, this response to the
question on Quora says, you know or respond is responding
to a question that asks why are more intellectuals found
on the left? Is effectively what the question and the
(10:46):
response to the question is about. And you know, we've
seen that in education, We've seen that in the voter base.
You know, the people that are less informed, less educated,
less less, less less they often tend to vote you know,
on the right. They're more susceptible to misinformation, disinformation, propaganda,
(11:08):
et cetera. People that are more informed tend to vote,
you know, more left. That's where you find, you know,
the people that are the intellectuals. And so this is
consistent with what we know. It's just I got to
be mindful of the fact that there's that pushback, and
(11:28):
I have to acknowledge that there are people who are
great debaters, that are prepared for debates, people that are
quick on their feet, people that are intellectuals, and you know,
as you mentioned that they have straw man's they have
you know, ways of and I see this a lot
(11:49):
in politics. They will you will ask a direct question
and instead of answering the question directly, they will pivot
away from the question because giving an answer my not
really help them with their political agenda. They'll pivot to
something else and say, well, look, here's what we need
to focus on. You know, I recognize that, but we
(12:11):
need to focus on this right, and then to just
kind of gloss over that. And again that's something that
happens on both sides. But you know, whenever you do
try to press conservatives maga folks in particular on these issues,
you know that their their intellectual capacity and you know,
(12:32):
I found it ultimately runs out and they deploy those
other types of tricks. And so.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The logical fallacy is a weapon of the dishonest or
the uninformed. So again, I don't want to hear about
how intellectual you are if you have to lie to
make the point you're trying to make, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Fair, or I think that I'd go a step further,
or if you have to be unkind, you have to
ignore the realities for people that there are certain factors
that affect people in this community and shape outcomes for
(13:12):
these type of people and people that are born this
way and whatever. If you ignore that, and you ignore
the artificial forces that have been present in a society
for sometimes hundreds of years in some instances, if you
ignore that and and the legacy of those artificial forces,
(13:37):
and you just say, hey, look, you were born on
this day at this time. I was born on this
day at this time, and we both had a similar
go at it. So what's the what you know, what
I mean, and you ignore all that that argument is
obtuse intellectually, and you know the intellectuals. I think that
I think what we're what we're finding out rather is
(13:58):
that the people people that we would consider intellectuals, they
don't quite cross the finish line as often on the
right because a lot of times the arguments that they
do have breakdown because of what you mentioned, or because
they just are morally inconsistent with again our shared kind
(14:20):
of human nature.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So in most cases they are more racist than they are.
Say it Q straight straightforwardly. Yes, they're logical. They can't
pass logical scrutiny because they're reasoning intersects with their racism.
They either have to lie to themselves or to you
to even make the argument they're making. Even if it's
(14:41):
based in them being cruel, that still stems back to
them being racist.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, there it is. I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
The logical fallacy is weak and it is meant to
mislead and manipulate intentionally, all right, it cannot hold up
the logical scrutiny. That's why some of these right wing
intellectuals look really silly when they sit down with an
actual intellectual, because that person isn't arguing from a left
point of view, they're just arguing fact. Yeah, this person
(15:11):
is arguing from a right point of view and have
to hold that position in order.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
To justify break it down. And a lot of times
it's religious based, not always, but a lot of times
it's based on religion, and.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So then that is also based in racism. Yeah that
ain't that's not Jesus. That's stuff you just said.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's actually all anti Jesus. Opposite. I was
gonna say that, so yeah, man, what a world. So anyway,
this one I felt like, you know, there's a lot
of people that you know, even people who listen to
this show, a lot of people that you know consume,
you know, our content for the bi in, but they
do listen to folks like candicell Ands. They do listen
to you know, you know, I mean, there's there's folks
(15:53):
on the bi in who fundamentally disagree with me and
Q on almost everything. For what reason, I couldn't tell you,
but we find that they are often very insulting and hurtful,
and they're black, and that's very sad because those black
people will pick on black people. And you know, we
(16:16):
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