11/13/25: Trump Freaks On Epstein Vote, Full Epstein Email Breakdown

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump freaks on Epstein vote, full Epstein email breakdown.

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Epstein, Epstein Epstein. So a whole lot of stuff went
down yesterday. Emily and I covered the initial emails that
were released from the House Oversight Committee. There is a
whole lot more that has dropped since then. In fact,
people are still going through all of the material that's
been released, so we're going to go through as much
as we can. We're also going to break down for
you the White House's panic to response and how Bulkins

(01:00):
responded that discharge petition now has the requisite number of signatures,
so a whole lot for us to talk about there.

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There is other news as well, though.

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a fascinating and disturbing look at an Israeli company that
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here in the US and is just an absolutely terrible landlord,
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having on our country. We're also taking a look at

(01:31):
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New York City, and also got some interesting comments from
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So very interesting one today.

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Here the Epstein stuff here today, I know a lot
of people are interested in that who may not even
meet necessarily interest in politics. That's the perfect episode to
go ahead and send to a friend. So all right,
let's go ahead and start then with the Trump White
House panicked reaction to the Epstein files, acting guilty as hell,
if I might say, with their initial reaction, working incredibly

(02:43):
hard to try and stop a discharge petition from hitting
the House floor, which would require a release of the
Epstein files. So this was their initial reaction to those
releasing of the emails.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Here is what they had to say.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Can you address their substance?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Did the President ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house
with a victim?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
These emails proved absolutely nothing other than the fact that
President Trump did nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Why not just go ahead release the full files on Epstein?

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Get this all over with, we have this administration has
done more with respect to transparency when it comes to
Jeffrey Epstein than any administration ever. And it was CBS's
own reporting WIJA that recently wrote that Miss Guffery maintained,
and God rest her soul, that she maintained that there
was nothing inappropriate. She ever witnessed that President Trump was

(03:33):
always extremely professional and friendly to her.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
If the President is considering a pardon for a going maxwell.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Again, he's answered this repeatedly, it's not something he's talking
about or even thinking about at this moment in time.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I can assure you of that, all right. So that's
the reaction there, DVEs up there. Oh, we've done absolutely
nothing wrong. You know, these emails prove nothing other than
the fact that he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I don't know about that, all right.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I mean these are Look, I was willing to believe
here's the theory, and I think this is a reasonable one.
Trump's been on the problem the scene since what twenty fifteen, Right, You're.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Like, oh, if anything had come out, it would have
come out. Right.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
He's one of the most heavily scrutinized people. You've got
all these me too, lawsuits, etc. It's not exactly like
he was a choir boy in his tabloid lifestyle. So
it seemed like whatever was out in the open was
out in the open. But man, I mean, you read
some of this stuff and we're going to spend a
decent amount of time here.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's not looking good there for mister Trump.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
At the very least, it does prove, at the very least,
their behavior only validates what could be the theory behind it,
right about running scared, in my opinion, and I think
any reasonable person could see that we had the letter
that initially came out from Trump which said you know,
or the letter the drawing or whatever from the birthday book.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
They said it was fake. It was obviously real.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's been vindicated as real ever since then. Not that
maga's ever acknowledged that, but you know, the release a
lot of these emails just suggests like a very close
intimate relationship. AP have been bullshitting like yeah, maybe, but
you know, at this point, like you basically have no
choice but to fully release everything if you actually want
to be quote vindicated, And we're whipping this hard against it,

(05:11):
Like I don't know how a reasonable person couldn't say.
It does look like you're at trying to cover up something.
I don't really have another explanation for.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It, do you know.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean, you put together what we're going to go
through that has been revealed in these emails, which is
highly suggestive and suggestive of a longer term relationship. Remember
Trump said that he had cut off all relations all,
you know, friendship, any sort of communication with Epstein long ago.
These emails would certainly seem to indicate otherwise. That's number one.

(05:41):
So you put together, you know, some of the content
of the emails with the incredibly guilty, panicked way that
they're reacting to this vote that could potentially, in the
future lead to a further Epstein files release. And you
put that together with the cushy treatment of Goingane Maxwell,
who's sitting in club fed, playing with puppies, getting special

(06:05):
meals and filing her application for commutation of her sentence.
Why because he's afraid of what she has on him,
what she could say. It appears she was leaking to
the press. I mean, I think that's a you know,
pretty reasonable assumption at this point, not proven, but reasonable.
Those leaks stopped once she got her special treatment, and
so they're they're trying to keep her quiet, they're trying

(06:28):
to keep the Republicans in line and failing, by the way,
and you know, acting guilty as hell, while more and
more comes down as people are going through these emails
about what Trump knew, what Epstein thought he had on Trump.
I mean he outright says I could I could destroy him,
like I have you know, dirt on him that could

(06:48):
end his political career. He says, I'm the only one
effectively who could do that. So, yeah, it's and all
those you know, lives of TikTok and all these people
are very interested in this stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Suddenly they got nothing to say nothing.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
A friend of mine asked me about it yesterday and
I said, here was the stupidity of these people, is
they believe that when we said the richest and most powerful,
they were like, oh, well, that's just Democrats. And the
whole point was it was never just democrats, right, And
I mean, no, one's why watching Democrat Larry Summers, Bill
Clinton and all that stuff. We'll show all listen in

(07:23):
the next segment about emails. I'm going to go through
all of these like Titans of Industry, donors, you know,
Larry Summers, Clinton, all these other folks that were ensnared,
you know in the Epstein story. Nobody I have no
problem talking about that. I don't even think a lot
of the liberals who are now interested or have any
issues talking about that either. The issue here is the
centrality of Trump himself. And I think, you know, his

(07:46):
best case could probably be, well, I knew he liked
young girls.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
It was a different time.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yes, I fooled around with many women, and Epstein was
aware of that, but he chose instead to be like, oh,
I threw him out of mar A Lago because I
thought he was a creep.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Threw him I barely know. Like this is just obviously
not true.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Okay, So and that's really what the email I mean, Look,
the emails only validate.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean, there's photos, right, there's the NBC News report.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
There's the quote of like Jeffrey, like Simiongi is a
very active social ethe they gave in two thousand and two,
Like these.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Are all on the record. It was already well established.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Asked birthday book.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, the birthday book thing? When was that two thousand
and six, right, I mean, so you can see like
this wasn't that long ago. It was like twenty some
years ago. Not to mention not only the letter from
the Trump birthday book. You remember the whole like the
gifting of the girlfriend thing with the check signed by Trump,
which is also.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
This is not a reference in these emails.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Reference in the emails. Let's just get to what Trump
said here about the Epstein thing.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Let's put that up here on the screen. This was
an initial truth. Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
The Democrats are trying to bring up the Jeffrey Afterting
hoax again because they'll do anything at all to deflect
how badly they've done on the shutdown so many other subjects.
Only a very bad or stupid Republican would fall into
that trap. The Democrats cost our country some one point
five trillion dollars with their recent antics of viciously closing
our country. They should pay a fair price. There should
be no deflections to Epstein or anything else. Any Republican

(09:09):
involved should be focused only on opening up our country
and fixing the massive damage caused by the Democrats. So
this was in response to a few of those Republicans
who ended up signing that discharge petition, and that distart petition,
by the way, does now have the requisite two hundred
and eighteen votes. Thomas Massey says that even if a
representative were to die, that their signature will live.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
In the petition. So that's a distart petition.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
They can't kill anyone to fix their problem.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's actually pretty interesting about distarct justsprottestioning are quite rare.
They're famously you know, he was using this Civil Rights Act.
It's one of those things where two hundred and eighteen
votes you need a majority of people to vote in
order to circumvent leadership. It's actually very hard to do
to get two hundred and eighteen signatures on a discharge petition.
So it just shows you how extraordinary this thing is.
Massy also indicating that some forty or fifty Republicans will

(09:56):
probably end up voting for the Epstein resolution despite the
fact that White House is whipping so hard against us.
Let me put the next one up here on the screen,
just again to show you the extraordinary measures that the
Trump White House is using. So quote, Trump ramps up
the pressure on the GOP to fort in Epstein vote.
So two of the individuals, Representative Nancy Mace and Representative
Lauren Bobert, signed the vote on releasing the Epstein positions.

(10:18):
Because of course, you know, they were people who not
only ran talked about it like a lot over the
last few years, and they wanted to be consistent. They
were summoned. Bobert was summoned to the White House Situation Room.
All right, the White House situation room. That is not normal. Like,
let me just explain here, Like the situation room briefings

(10:38):
are for something that can only take place in a skiff.
Is what is a secure compartmentalized information facility. You can't
bring your phone in if you just watch House of
Dynamite right there you go. So that's what the White
House Situation Room. It has a variety of It's like
a whole complex down in there in the White House,
a lot of briefing rooms, meeting rooms. But in that
same day, she was summoned to a meeting with the
Attorney General and the f behind directors. So these are

(11:01):
the top law enforcement officials of the whole United States government.
We're sitting in the White House Situation Room providing a briefing.
I'm like, okay, so what does that all tell you? You've
got very sensitive information that being briefed here to a
member of Congress presumably you know, in a security with
a security clearance. Honestly, you know, when I see something

(11:22):
like that, I'm like, that's just flashing intell, right, anything
that's unclassified normal political meeting. There's a shitload of meetings
in the rooms in the White House. Okay, there's an
entire complicate of the EEO basis, So there's a lot
of meeting space over there.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
There's so I've been down there.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
There's so many meetings that can happen in a non
classified setting. So the fact that this happened in the
situation room really was like a whoa moment, right, because
I'm like, wow, so this goes to classified setting. They
don't want her to bran briefing, or they don't want
to bring her phone in. Presumably she probably didn't have
any staff that were allowed in there. This is like
clearance to the max of things. And I actually don't

(11:58):
think the press is doing a good job about explaining how.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Crazy it is to bring someone of the White situation.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
How absolutely extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And the reason is the clock was taking to four
o'clock because remember, first of all, Mike Johnson shut down
the House entirely.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
For four fifty something days.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Ridiculous amount of time just to forestall this potential discharge petition.
Then Adelie de Grialva was elected almost two months ago,
and he was just like, yeah, not going to swear
her in, just not going to swear her in because
she would be that two hundred and eighteenth vote. So finally,
with actually the end of the shutdown, he could no

(12:36):
longer justify putting that off. And so she was going
to be sworn in at four o'clock and sign onto
the discharge petition immediately. And so the clock was taking
down four o'clock and the Trump and you know, his
administration cronies full court press press. I can only imagine
the level of pressure that was exerted on Nancy Mace

(12:57):
and on Lauren Broke Bobert and whoever else they thought
they might be able to get to withdraw their.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Name and to cave. And at the end of the
day they did it.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
None of the Republicans took their name off, which is
an incredible sign I think of the weakness of this
White House at this point. You know, I think, but
maybe even just weeks ago before the election results, you
might have been able to bully some of your Republicans
who asside onto this petition to walk.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Away from it.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But now Trump's popularity is going down and down and down.
You've got Americans who are very unhappy with the economy.
You know, you've got so much. So many of these
people talk so much about the Epstein files and have
so much of their reputation on the line with regard
to how they handle all of this, and so all
of them held firm. Bobert put out pretty entertaining, honestly
tweet after this full court press came from.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
The White House.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
She says, I want to thank White House officials for
meeting with me today. Together, we remain committed to ensuring
transparency for the American people. With the little American flag
emoji translation being sorry, not gonna bend keeping my name
on here, and yeah, thanks for your time, thanks for
wasting your time.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I mean, I look, it's interesting Bobert has been
out of the news kind of lately over the last
two years. She was like one of our Yeah there's
no more of Beetlejuice, and yeah, she inspired my Beatle
Juice costume two years ago. Shout out to Laura for
that one. But it is interesting to me that she
is sticking with this. But also, I mean, if you're
a Republican, if you're MTG Lauren Bobert, remember Lauren berber

(14:29):
barely won reelection. You remember how close that race was.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
It was like it was nothing right.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, and her antics really I think cost her part
of the reason why she's been a little bit more silent.
But if you're MTG Bobert, any of these people, you
got to run for reelection again, like you know MTG
for example. I'm not saying she'll lose her district, but Georgia,
look at what just happened with those power elections. You
got two Democratic senators rep in the state. You got
you know, Democrats who are on the rise. You've got

(14:55):
your own political future here here to worry about. And
so the White House nearly as powerful. Trump is acting
like a real lame duck lately in a way that
I don't think a lot of people are fully appreciating.
And the fact that he lost this actually does demonstrate,
in my opinions, some of the lack of hold he's
going to lose or the hole that he's going to lose.
Increasingly a lame duck. I mean really is starting to

(15:16):
be a lame duck.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
He is quite literally a lame duck running for office.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
And then you know, the more look at w w's
hold on the party. After six people were like, yeah, thanks,
thanks for calling, mister president.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, no, I don't care what you really have to say.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
So the four Republicans who signed on were Massey, who,
of course partner with Rocannon, has really been you know,
leading the charge here, Marjorie Taylor Green, and then the
two that we just mentioned, Lauren Bohmert and Nancy May.
So I think the White House knew there was no
chance they were going to get MTG. Certainly not Thomas Massey.
That ship has hailed. So those were the two. And
apparently what it looked like is that Nancy May just

(15:49):
basically didn't answer their calls. It's just like, yeah, I'm
just not going to pick up the phone right now.
And so they were the two that made to eighteen.
There is another Democrat who's likely to be sworn in
in January. So even if they got Bobert off of
the discharge petition, which obviously they failed to do, then
in you know, another month or two, you're going to
have another Democrat who comes into the House who would

(16:11):
have still made to eighteen. But you know, it's also
interesting that they are so threatened by this because number one,
I mean, it's their government.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Who has control over these documents.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Like, does anyone here think that they would be above
like messing with it and scrubbing them of any sort
of unflattering information that could come out. I certainly don't
think that they're above that. The amount of material do
you're talking about here, though, makes that job very difficult
to be able to effectively do.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Obviously they're worried about what may be contained in whatever
government information exists about Jeffrey Epstein, which you know, given
Ryan and MOS's reporting over at Dropside about all the
Intel connections and just absolutely confirming he was an Israeli
intel asset.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Also by the way he was talking to the Russians.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean he was, you know, any sort of powerbroker
in the world that he could ingratiate himself with, he
was certainly doing that. So no doubt the CIA has files.
We know that FBI has files, like they have financial records,
like there is a lot of information that our government
has about this man. But in any case, you know,
so Number one, you think, okay, well, they've got some
time to like scrub out whatever it is they don't

(17:17):
want to come forward, and nobody thinks that they're above that.
Number two, it still has to pass the Senate. And
then even and then even if it gets through the Senate,
Trump still has to sign it, and he's not going to.
So then you have to how many votes you have
to get in the Senate to overcome a veto sixty.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Or sixty six?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, to overcomes that would.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Sixty six, right, Yeah, So I mean very unlikely that
you would be actually able to get sixty six members
of the Senate to go against Trump and override his veto.
But in the meantime, you have this story that is
just festering and more and more stories like what we're
talking about today of just incredibly guilty behavior.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
You have every Republican both.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
In the House and in the Senate, having to go
on the record of trying to like protect a pedophile,
protect a ring of global ring of pedophile elites, not
exactly votes that they want to take. So I think
that explains why, even though it is very unlikely that
we actually get to a point where you know, this
succeeds in the House, succeeds in the Senate, Trump signs it,

(18:22):
or they overcome a veto. It's very unlikely for all
of those things to happen. But in the meantime, it's
just political hell for every Republican involved.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh, I mean, obviously that's why they didn't want to
do it. Who would want to be the person who
has to vote against this?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Good luck to you.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
By the way, anybody want to remind me about some
senators who are up a reelection, let's say in a
year in twenty twenty six, Like, why would you give
that to your opponent? If you're running against Shared Brown?
Good luck you know, if you're running, if you're running
in some of these closer races, if you're John Ossof
or any of these folks, this is great for you
to be like, I voted for the release and this

(19:03):
is what again, these MAGA folks for you for weeks,
Remember they were like the MAGA Forgibbs Trump on Epstein files,
And I was like, here's what you guys didn't understand.
There is a whole cohort of people who definitely voted
MAGA or were MAGA adjacent in twenty twenty four because
Magas was seen as a revolutionary kind of insurrectiousness movement

(19:27):
against the establishment.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Epstein was actually a.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Big part of that because it was like he's different,
He's going to release the Epstein files because he's saying
I'm above the fray of this like global ring of elites, right,
And so when they started doing the cover up, that
was actually a major dissolution.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Man.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I think for a lot of younger people, I would say,
especially young men. I mean, if you already feel like
the system is rigged against you and that people in
high places do stuff that you could never imagine, and
you saw eyes white shut and your life is being disenfranchised,
it's like, not only is it easy you believe it's
actually quite literally true in this case. Well, when you
start acting like that those people, and in particularly you know,

(20:06):
covering up any of the Israel connections and any of
that stuff, you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Not the same new boss name is the old boss.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
That's I mean, if anything, you asked me where Trump's
real like fault comes from in terms of like a
lot of his political popularity, it's the new boss name
as the old boss mentality like Israel War continues, Ukraine
War unsolved. A lot of the foreign policy looks cookie cutter,
neo Khan just like out of the last administration or anything.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I keep saying, he's like Biden.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's the whole problem is if people hated by it,
they don't want anything like that.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh, actually your life is fine.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Let me show you some bullshit chart about why the
S and P five hundred is up and that means
that your life is getting better. No, that's that's quite
literally the opposite. And I could go on, you know,
in every faster this this is I'm just talking about Epstein,
Brett Weinstein, you know, a major Maha guy.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
He was recently on Rogan and he's.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Like, yeah, my husband, you know, failure like basically whenever
it comes to RFK Junior, right, And for them, mRNA
was like a big thing, like like RFK being like
I'm going to withdraw the mRNA vaccine. It's just it
has not happened, like literally period, end of story. They
can end up make all kinds of excuses and talk
about food dies and steak and shake all you want.
Like the singular thing that you said was going to

(21:13):
happen quite literally didn't happen. Tulsea's a D and I director.
She was supposed to come in and be a bomb thrower,
right yeah, oh okayah, where is she?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Everything?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
All my reporting suggests is she's out on the outs
all right, CIA director John Ratcliffe, who's like much more
an establishment guy. He sees control. She you know, Trump
is mad at her about the Hiroshima video. She's like
a side character fighting for relevance right now. So that's
just this, you know, stacking on top of each other,
like the more revolutionary parts so called Magan all that.

(21:41):
It's been a year like the rubber hit the road,
and now you kind of know who's running the show.
So that's just that's why I think the Epstein story
continues to matter.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's such a blow to his brand. Yeah, exactly cool.
And nobody gets how important a brand is more than
Donald Trump, and it is. I mean, it's a stating
blow to his brand as this renegade outsider going to
expose the corrupt elite, like think about the fantasies of QAnon.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
You know, and the storm is coming and all this.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Idea that all the corrupt elites were going to be
swept up and arrested, and it was going to be
a new day and the sort of moral cleansing purification
was going to occur. And then it's like, no, actually,
this guy's not only going to cover up the Epstein files,
but he is in like all over the Epstein files.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
He was this man's bestie.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
For years and years and years, and you don't think
there was going to be anything there on him obviously,
not to mention, he always acted weird and shady when
he would get asked directly about it. He could never
give a straightforward, like unequivocal answer when he would get
asked about are you going to release the JFK files? Yes, absolutely,
Are you going to release the Epstein files? Well maybe

(22:47):
less so, there may be other you know, I don't
want innocent people to be harmed, blah blah blah. So
you know, it was always there if you wanted to
open your eyes and see it, but a lot of
people did not.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
And so to your point about the damage to his.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Presidency, again, sort of like with the authoritarianism, you know
what people would put up with a lot of him
being shady and buddies with Jeffrey Epstein and all over
these emails and whatever. If they were like, but I
can buy a house, but you know, my kids' lives
look great now, their jobs are not actually going to
be stolen by a band of robots that are going
to destroy society.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
My electric bill is going down.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Actually, like life is measurably better in you know ways
that I can that I am experiencing personally. If people
felt like things were going great, and yeah, I guess
the president was like, at the very least knew about
this ring, pedophile ring, and that the worst was directly
implicated in it.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Eh, what are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's the guy we got. At least my life is
getting better.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
But when the president's a creep, the economy is cratering,
and you've got all this authoritarian bullshit, mass thugs in
the streets and all of that nonsense as well, and
the foreign policy landscape is an utter and complete disaster.
Like when you put all of that to, what are
you giving people to hang on to? Some like you know,
owning the libs quote unquote based social media videos and

(24:07):
an announcement about stake and shake, Like that's that's what
we're supposed to hang our hat on. Here is the
Golden age. Oh congratulations. So, and I think for the
podcast world in particular, you know, Epstein obviously was a
major focal point, and it just was impossible for them
to really defend. So, you know, in terms of the

(24:27):
you know, some of the podcast bros that were directly
supportive of Trump going into this election, you know, that
really was the start of them having to start to
say some critical things and having to turn in a
somewhat different.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Direction, which is influential.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, I'm not saying they're like the only reason
he got elected, but they do have power in society,
and especially with this group of.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Young men who were very important in the Trump coalition.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's what people just you know, really just don't get.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
And so, you know, bringing back to the point, I
actually think one of Trump's powers superpowers always was like
a directional honesty, is that he would lie kind of
tell the truth. And so do you remember, like in
the twenty fifteen campaign, that famous line when he was
like you think we're so innocent, you know, and it
was like wow, like nobody like that, nobody, no American

(25:12):
president has been like, yeah, we're shady, do right? And
everyone was like, yeah, exactly, He's right on a lot
of his divorces and his own conduct. You know, for years,
one of the superpowers was he had no shame. He
would just call the New York posts. I mean, don't
you remember some of those headlines like best Sex I
Ever had or whatever with Marla Maples.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
He would pretend to be Yeah, he would pretend to
he's pr guy.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Right, these are He was absolutely shameless, and that's why
people were like, oh, he's lude and cheats on his wife,
Like yeah, so you know he's like, you never hit it,
yeah right, you never hid anything. So even here if
he was like yeah, I was friends with them, I
had a you know, some line about I had a
rambunctious youth even though he's like.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Fifty five at the time of something. Remember works right now.
It happened with me.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I interviewed RFK and I was like, hey, like this
nanny says that you know, you grew up her or whatever,
and he's like, I had a crazy youth.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I was like, wow, what an answer. He was like yeah,
forty or right.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I was like, whoa, But I mean it worked, right,
and so for Trump, like that's a.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Twice divorced man who owned Miss.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Universe pageants and has a long history from you know,
from the tape of twenty sixteen and prior. Like that's
part of the reason I don't think the tape was
the hit that most people thought. He's like, he never
pretended to be anything that he wasn't, but in this
case he actually did kind of pretend, right. It was
friends with Epstein's obvious it does.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's not a good look.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It could just say something like, yeah, you know, we
party with Chase girls together, but I never soon knew
or saw anything crazy at this point though, doubling, tripling down,
and especially I think, by the way, it's not just
about Trump, because Trump, as you say, is always gonna.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Be kind of ambiguous.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I think it's like Cash, Betel, Pam Bondi and Jade,
you know, all these other people who used Epstein to
political advantage, to rally people to their cause and then
they're silent, right, and that see that I actually think really.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Rubs or directly Cash, right, And so that's what.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Really bugs I mean, I can't can I say, like
for me in particular, watching like Cash and all them
literally gone podcasts, you know, tours talking about we know
exactly where the Epstein files are. And then Bro, you
come into office and you say, believe me, I would
tell you with your bug eyes.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah you know, it's like, no, I don't believe you.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Mart Cambondidy putting them on my desk.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Right nine weeks later, Oh, actually there are no Epstein
files and there's nothing to see here when we're moving on.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So it's like, well, which when time, when were you lying?
Because you did lie.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
There's just no there's no world where you didn't lie.
Then you put some of the facts and all that
stuff together. So yeah, for year from part not years,
it's still have been a year, it feels like. But
for weeks there was this whole discourse about how MAGA
doesn't care about Epstein and.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Maybe that's true. But this is what I always say.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
MAGA did not win Trump the election, all right, MAGA
is only like thirty three percent of the country. Eighty
something million people did vote for Donald Trump. He won
a popular vote victory in the election. Not all of
them are MAGA.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Go ask them.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
They'll tell you I'm not MAGA, or I'm an independent,
or I was voting for this. That reason why the
coalition that they were the most proud of, and they
should be proud when young people vote for you. I
think that's inspiring because it's just like, oh, the next
generation believes in this stuff that I have to say.
I think this is important to them. I think it's
important to you. I think our show are long focused
on Epstein, and of course, I mean, won't lie. I've

(28:16):
been rewarded for it, you know, a lot, through ratings
and through all this other stuff. I think it's because
the reason why I became a podcast thing is because,
by the way, even to this day, you can't go
on CNN and just say he was an Israeli asset.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Like even then.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
People will go why you but without evidence, sir, you're
speaking right, Like That's why it goes big on the podcast,
because we can just speak the way that every normal
person can look.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
At the facts. Yeah, it's obvious.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
The New York Times, I mean, one of the things
that comes out of these emails is that you have
a New York Times reporter who worked there for like
fifteen years who's basically working with Epstein to try and
quash different stories and talk about plaque.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's like, bro, what the fuck well, and that gets
to the point of you were saying your assumption was
basically like listen, they've been ounce to get try you know,
they've been wanting to take down Trump for a long time.
They this was something. If there was there there, something
would have come out. But that discounts how much these
media outlets were implicated, you know, in terms of the
cover up. It of course erases the number of Democrats

(29:16):
who are involved here as well. And so I think
it's the case that there was just a bipartisan disinterest,
like directly, you know, to going in their own self interest,
like we're just gonna not talk about this. One of
the emails is where Epstein and Michael Wolf are going
back and forth about like, oh, I think CNN in
twenty fifteen is going to ask Trump a question about you,

(29:39):
and so they're like brainstorming, you know, well, what would
be the perfect answer. And by the way, Wolf, I
think it is suggests that hopefully Trump will say some
things that are untrue because then you'll have leverage on him.
I mean directly plotting like here's how we're gonna hear
We've this president is compromised, and it'd be good for
us with this potential president at that point, conference would

(30:00):
be good for us. If we have some dirt on him,
we can use it to our own advantage here. But
in any case, then i'd announced that question.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
So yeah, I noticed that.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
They didn't end up asking that question.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So somewhere along the way, if if they were planning to,
that particular question got spiked and didn't make it in.
So that's why we can be all these years later
and you feel like, you know it must know everything
there is to know about Donald Trump, and we.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Are learning more and more and more.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm not cynical enough because you know, intellectually, you know,
you read the Manson book, right, the Tom was I'm
totally blanking on the name, but it's an incredible book.
You read that Tom O'Neil, that's his name, the guy
who wrote the book. You read that Manson book and
you're like wow. So even forty years later, people will
cover the shit up. And intellectually, I know JFK. For example,
it's been sixty something years since the assassination, and even

(30:50):
though we like basically know you know, the cover up
and the plots and all of that, but we don't
know for sure, right, like we know enough to reasonably
guess an say, it all obviously points in one direction,
but in real time it's like even when you're a
very cynical person like me, you're like, oh, yeah, I
assume something would have.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Come out, you know, by now, And I'm like, I
don't know. Man.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
You look at the CNN stuff, the New York Times
and you're like, yeah, it's like, you know, to borrow
my own words. When we said the richest and most
powerful people, we meant it. And it really is a
conspiracy of silence, of intelligence, of just like the sketchiest
the sketchiest stuff, and you know that what comes through
to the emails to me. And again I knew this

(31:32):
at an intellectual level, but the depraved nature through which
these guys act in private is so disgusting. I don't
care what time it is, like what time period, and
even if it was twenty years ago. Like when you
read that Birthday book, remember that one about the guys
with mass On talking about raping rape fantasies, You're like,
I'm sorry, Like that's not normal, Like that's that's really

(31:56):
really not normal.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I mean and psychotic.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Ninety violent of the Birthday book entries all about his
like sex life, and I mean, yeah, and what we
was for his fiftieth birthday?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's like, I mean discussing that was like when that
came out, I was like, oh, QAnon was.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Actually that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
You're talking about directional crack.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yes, yes, they were just wrong to put Trump as
their hero at the center of that story. And I think,
you know, some of them are realizing that. I mean,
Marjorie Taylor Green was a Q and On person and
now here she is signing onto the discharge petition, very
much at odds with Trump and kind of in the
crosshairs from the administration. But you know, when you think
about Trump's life and the characters he ran with, not

(32:38):
just Epstein, John Casablancas, who was you know, pioneer in
making the modeling industry basically like a global human trafficking
industry and exploiting these young girls known pedophile himself, and
Trump was close with him. And you know, Trump had
his own modeling agency and you know, reportedly modeled some

(32:59):
of his practice. Is after Casablancis puts his own daughter,
by the way, in this industry, when she's like thirteen,
fourteen years old, which given what you had to know
about it, is so just beyond disturbing. He bragged about,
you know, in his beauty pageants, how he could go
in and since he owned them, you know, he could
go into the dressing room and check out all these girls.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
You know, there's now there's this reporting about the.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Party that he threw with that was supposed to be
with all these models, young models and a bunch of VIPs,
and then the only person he invites is Jeffrey Epstein.
All these girls who thought that this was going to
be their break and there'd be a bunch of like rich, famous,
you know, influential people that they could and you know,
get hired for gigs, et cetera. And then it's just freakin'
Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. We know without a doubt that

(33:44):
they were super close friends for years and years.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
You know, all of this is out there.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Trump himself confirmed that Virginia Gouffrey worked at mar A
Lago and Gallaine Maxwell comes in and you know, and
takes her and that's how she ends up being in
the Epstein world and herself being trafficked and abused. So,
you know, once you start to open your eyes to
all of these things, and then it just really be
and then we'll get into the emails. Here, it really

(34:12):
bears underscoring why this matters. Obviously from a moral character perspective,
it matters a lot. Okay, that's one thing. We're talking
about a president of the United States who was compromised
by an Israeli intelligence asset.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
That's what we're talking about here.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I mean, whatever Trump is afraid of coming out right now,
he knew that Jeffrey, whatever deep dark secrets he has
that he doesn't want to come out, which I think
is undeniable at this point given what we know and
his behavior. He knew that Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell,
by the way, had that information on him. And you

(34:50):
have to assume, whether it's true or not, that that
information was shared with the Israelis. You have to assume
that we know, and Ryan brought this up, that the
Israelis use the Monica Lewinsky tapes against Clinton to coerce
his behavior.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Oh, you think you think they're above.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Of course, not like that's there. That's their whole mo o.
So we have in the White House. It looks like
someone who is compromised by Israel. And you know, there
was all the Russia Gates stuff in the first administration
to theorize and by the way, you know, there's also
emails here between Epstein talking about his like you know,

(35:27):
diplomacy with Russian leaders as well. So I think it
actually is fair for to assume that Trump thinks that
they probably do have something on him as well. But
you know, in a lot of ways, everybody was looking
in the wrong direction. So that's why, you know, the
Trump focus here is so important, because this is such
an incredit. I mean, this is the president of the

(35:48):
United States, maybe the most powerful person in the world,
and you have to assume that he thinks Israel has
some sort of devastating dirt on him.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
There's only one way to prove that you don't, which
is by releasing it.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
All.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
That's the only way at this point to prove that
you don't. And I think that's why, I mean, I
get extraordinarily I know that the stuff sounds O spiandish,
but it's like, dude, you know, if you look like
you're in full blown cover up here, you know, either
for yourself or your friends or whatever, it's like, yeah,
this is politics. People are going to assume the absolute worst,
like you set up the conditions through which people are
going to assume that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
So I don't know, I mean, it's it's dark. It's
very very dark.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Turning out of the emails themselves, which we've been teasing
here for a little while, let's actually get into some
of them. Crystal and Emily went into the three big
ones that happened yesterday, which you'll recall, but it's actually
worth knowing. The House Oversight Committee ended up releasing some
twenty two thousand new pages. Now, I want to say
at the top. Part of the difficulty for people like
us is that they have put them out as individual images,

(36:51):
not as searchable PDFs.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
So we have to individually go through all.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Twenty two thousand files and it would take weeks, if
not months to actually go and read on my best,
and we have collated a lot of stuff here that
various researchers and all of them have flagged. We're going
to give you a fullsome taste here of some of
the Trump stuff that remains in the email.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So let's put the first one up here on the screen.
This is B two.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Actually, guys, let's just jump ahead to there. Jeffrey Epstein was.
This was a June of twenty nineteen email where they
Epstein says specifically, quote, recall Prince Andrew's accuser came out
of mar A Lago. So this is Virginia Gouffrey. And
this is in a text chain that was with Steve Bannon.
So this is from July of two thousand and June

(37:34):
of twenty nineteen, and saying, quote, can't believe nobody is
making you the connective tissue. And he says specifically Prince
Andrew and Trump today too funny. So presumably there was
some meeting was happening between and that day, right, So
that's what Epstein and Bannon are like joking about. I mean,
this is only months before he's dead in federal prison

(37:56):
and indicted. Just flagging that one. Let's go to the
next one. This is nuts, okay. So this was a
email chain with Landon Thomas Junior, who is a New
York Times reporter who worked there for years, who it
turns out, had this deep and long relationship with Jeffrey Epstein,

(38:17):
and he's sending him some stuff specifically about the Trump campaign,
kind of asking him for some questions here about previous
BuzzFeed nude articles about Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and what
he says is my twenty year old girlfriend in ninety
three comma that after two years I gave to Donald.
So what that shows is you'll recall Michael Wolfe and

(38:40):
others had talked specifically about this girlfriend that they appear
to have shared or whatever, who is twenty years old
in the year nineteen ninety three. There were several jokes
about that and being depreciated in the birthday book, which
you will also recall. Just again, you know, to show
some other relationship. Let's go to the next one. This
one is in emails with Michael Wolfe. The quote unquote journalist.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I mean the emails from wolf here are like a
secondary conversation how discussing that is. But anyway, he says, well,
I guess if there's anybody who can wave this away,
it's Donald. Let me know if there's anything I can do.
This is from Michael wolf This was about the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
This is in relationship to the lawsuit from an accuser
I believe named Katie Johnson, who alleged that both Trump
and Epstein had raped her when she was twelve thirteen
years old.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, that's right. So this was in a lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He's talking about, Well, if anyone could wave this lawsuit away,
it's Donald.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
I guess he was right.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Okay time anyway, next time, let's put this up here
on the screen. This is from Epstein to on Donald
Trump quote he feels alone and is nuts. I told
every day one evil beyond belief mad. So it sounds
like he had TDS. Most thought I was speaking metaphorically.
It's obvious he could crack Stormy Daniel's question mark lies
after lies.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, Jeffrey Epste lecturing you on morality, like what you
have gone seriously wrong somewhere in your life?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Next one, this is from twenty fifteen. Again landon Thomas Junior.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I think was fired because of his relationship with Epstein.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Right, And so he emails him about the infamous quote.
I've known Jeffrey Epstein for fifteen years and Epstein replies,
read the.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Uzzfeed must be buzzy BuzzFeed.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Ari airplane logs Hawaiian contest have them ask my houseman
about Donald Donald presumably almost walking through the door, leaving
his nose print on the glass as young women were
swimming in the pool.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
He was so focused it walks straight into the door.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Pause on that one for a second because he's talking
about so they're talking about Trump.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Landon.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Thomas Junior says, now everyone coming to me thinking I
have juicy info on you and Trump. Because of this,
the story will never die, and then Epstein replies, read
the BuzzFeed, read my airplane logs and Hawaiian Trump contest,
so some sort of a jauty contest. And then have
them ask my houseman about Donald almost walking through and
leave as young girls blah blah blah. So anyway, he's

(41:08):
gesturing towards like some of the dirt that he would
have right that one.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
In Trump exchange about that. Okay, yeah, that's that's what
Let's go to the next one. This was about Gilaine
and more or Sorry. This one was a very weird
email from a victim where they say I'm at the door.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I will wait for my time.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I don't want to come early to find Trump in
your house laughing emoji, laughing emoji. This is from twenty
seventeen in December. There is no evidence because Trump was
president at this time, about a visit. I mean you know,
you can't really go anywhere without the White House Press Corps.
But I guess they were still joking about it or
alluding to something while this at this time period with

(41:49):
one of the victims. Again it's this, I've seen these
being passed around. But I'm telling you, I mean, I
was covering the White House at this time. It's literally impossible,
like you can't go anywhere without the White House Press
Corps that was tagging along. So I don't think it's
likely at all. I mean, he was definitely at mar
A Lago a ton but Jeffrey Epstein, if he had
been at mar Alago at that time, that actually would

(42:09):
have been a story. Was under secret Service control. I mean, theoretically,
I guess possible, but very unlikely. This just seems to
me there's a lot of winking, nodding, joking, and Epstein
in the emails to me, he loves how important he
is of his relationship with everybody else, and he's constantly
alluding to the dirt that he has on everybody around him,

(42:30):
including Trump. Trump was one of the figures well that
he constily alludes to in.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And in confirmation of you know, one of the things
that has been posited about Jeffrey Epstein is basically like
he was using blackmail to make money, ingratiate himself with
the rich and powerful, keep himself out of trouble. And
you can see him using those tactics in this email,
saying basically, I've got you know, I could take down

(42:54):
this person. I've got information on that person. And then
you also see him having these high level meetings with
you know, heads of state and leaders from countries around
the world, so you really get you know, Trump included
in this, but even separate apart from Trump, you do
see how he really operates and the way that he

(43:14):
presents himself in these emails. You know, back to the
question about his connectivity with Trump, what's the year that
Trump claims he cut off all contact with Epstein was
like two thousand and four or something like that. Early Yeah,
early two thousands is when they supposedly, I think they
did actually have some kind of falling out over like
this mansion that they both wanted or some sort.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Of well it was that and also of Virginia Gouffrey being.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Stolen stolen from mar A Lago.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, don't believe me, Trump said that.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Trump in Epstein.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
You know, well he.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Literally terms it in these emails effectively in any case.
But you have some indications in these emails, this one
being one of them, but others as well, that Epstein
still wasn't in direct contact with Trump. He was certainly
in contact with Steve Bannon, who was you know, obviously
Trump World insider, a lot of questions for Bannon. We

(44:03):
knew that Bannon had all of these hours of Epstein
footage that has never been released. And then you see
him regularly texting back and forth with Epstein. Again, this
is you know, this is a long time Trump World
insider that is clearly continuing to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein
right up until he is dead. So you know that

(44:27):
exchange with regard to Prince Andrew that is I think
like a month before he ends up dead in a
prison cell. So all the way up to the end,
he was certainly connected directly to Trump World.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
There's another email where.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Someone is asking him to pass some sort of a
video along to Donald Trump, suggesting that they at least
thought that he still had that kind of access. So
I think that's a really important piece of this too.
As we you know, put these pieces together, and you know,
you may I like what's going on with the Steve
Bannon thing. I mean think the most logical conclusion and
is that he wanted to keep Epstein close because reportedly

(45:04):
he had said that he knew that Epstein was the
one guy who could take Trump down and that he
was worried about going back to twenty sixteen. So I
think the probably logical conclusion is that he wanted to
keep this guy close and keep tabs on him to
make sure that nothing that was going to be damaging
to Trump was going to going to be coming out.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Let's good to be a this. This might be the
craziest one. Let's put it up here all the green. Okay,
Trump said he asked me to resign. Never remember ever.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Of course he knew about the girls, as he asked
Elaine to stop. That was one of those that was real.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Of course he knew about the girls.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, of course he knew about that.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And that seems to confirm the Virginia Guffray at Marlatt
like that dovetails with that story about Virginia Guffray being cooed.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
To be fair, I will say what the MAGA people
are all showing is what Virginia Guffray did testify under
oath that she never saw Trump do anything wrong, which
I don't think is all that exculpatory I get because
for Trump, per se, because that's not really the alleged accusation.
The accusation here was about knowing about this and some
of the relationship that preceded. But did want to throw.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
But read this part from Michael wolf too, though, because
so the first part of the exchange is this is
when I believe they're talking about this potential CNN debate.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh no, this is later. This is twenty two. Oh yeah,
twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Okay, so twenty fifteen, they're talking about this potential CNN
debate exchange and brainstorming how they would want Trump to respond,
which again indicates that there's some way to get this
information to him and to press him to respond when
with or another And Michael Wolfe says, I think you
should let.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Him hang himself. Interesting choice of worts.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
If he says he hasn't been on the plane or
to the house, then that gives you a valuable pr
and political currency. You can hang him in a way
that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if
it really looks like he could win, you could save
him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that
when asked, I'll say, Jeffrey's a great guy and has

(46:57):
gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness,
which is to be laud in a Trump regime. So
here you have Michael Wolfe saying we should hope that
Trump lies because then you have leverage over him, you
have valuable pr and political currency, and if he wins,
you could save him generating a debt. So again strategizing

(47:18):
about how basically to wield this information against Trump and
have power over him. And so that email was in
twenty fifteen, and then the one above it is from
a separate exchange about of course he knew Corstrup knew
about the girls.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
He asked Elaine to stop.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So extremely revealing there in terms of how how they
were talking internally and how Epstein operates.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Let's go to the next one, shall we. This was
another pretty extraordinary one. This was this is a joke
where he talks about it may not be a joke.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
He's sick.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Quote Hillary doing naughties with Vince. So this is about
Vince Foster. This is some nineteen nineties stuff if you've
never gone down the road of the Vince Foster suicide.
But he is alluding there body count well, I mean
going to read it for yourself. It is objectively a
crazy death. There's no getting around that. Let's get to
be eleven, shall we? This was from Jeffrey Epstein to

(48:12):
Peter Teel. Quote, subject that was fun, see you in
three weeks. Just put a pin in that I will return,
because it actually just tells you about how crazy his
inner circle was.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Go to B twelve? Shall we?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
This was another one, quote would you like photos of
Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen? This is
from December of twenty fifteen. Let's go ahead and skip
to BE fourteen, just because I want to show everybody
how deep he was still in DC. This is an
October twenty seventeen email from Larry Summers, who remember is
like former president of Harvard World Bank, Treasury secretary under Clinton,

(48:49):
like as respected as a gats in liberal establishment circles,
and Epstein's says, when we meet, I will endeavor to
mesmerize you with stories of DC wild exclamation, exclamation, exclamation
interesting B fifteen? Please these were all some of the
ones that I was noting that I dug out. So

(49:10):
here is Epstein keeping tabs on alex Acosta before alex
Acosta's hearing. He says who will represent Acosta at hearing?
And his lawyer, Roy Black, who by the way, helped
Epstein with the sweetheart deal with Acosta, says he will
be by himself, perhaps Trumpet maid to assist and to
accompany him. The reason why that's noteworthy to me is
number one, he's keeping tabs on Acosta at the hearing.

(49:31):
Number Two, the alleged he belonged to intelligence quote about
Acosta happened while he was being vetted. Allegedly, according to
whoever leaked that story, that he belonged to intelligence quote
happened while he was being vetted for his potential confirmation hearing,
in the belief that he may have been asked about
it at some point during that confirmation. So that's why

(49:52):
it was important to me that he is keeping tabs
on Epstein.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
B sixteen.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Please, this just this is the perfect one for me
because this just shows like, yeah, look, obviously Trump is
headline because he's a president.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
But this is how deep the stufffall goes.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
So this is just twenty fourteen, just twenty fourteen, September
twenty fourteen, during the UNNGA, when.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
You know the global elite is all in New York City.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
These were all of his meetings that he lists out,
and please keep this on screen so I can read
from them. Petertiel, Larry Summers, Bill Burns, CIA director, Gordon Brown,
the Prime Minister of Britain, Jaglin, who is a nobel
committee person from Norway, the Mongolian president, the UAE leader,
Katari leaders, Leon Black, that Apollo Hedge Fund guy who
you know they had a long relationship with. That correspondence

(50:35):
that he has back and forth is with Obama's recently
departed White House Council, and he's listing like the Clinton people,
the Security Council. He talks about the Climate summit that's
happening there for the Clinton Global Initiative. Woody Allen right,
Fairweather friends, I guess there between the two. But my
point is just like you can see how deeply interconnected

(50:57):
that he was into this global elite. Like it's not
just Trump, it's like everybody, Indian prime Indian energy ministers,
and just to flag here, the Mongolian president part is
Remember one of the first stories that Ryan reported is
that Epstein helped broker in Israeli security agreement between Israel
and Mongolia. So here you have him meeting with this

(51:20):
head of state around the same time that he's working
on behalf of Israel to broker this security So this
just confirmation of the drop site story number one.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But number two. Look at the level of access that
this guy just had. I mean, it's just so crazy.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
From prime ministers, CIA directors, billionaires, Nobel Committee, sultans of Dubai,
people at Harvard, Woody.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Allen, I mean, it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
It's entertainment, it's the presidency, it's finance, it's like at
the highest levels of government, including you know, many of
these people they never even answered, like Bill Burns when
those stories came out. He was literally our CI director
under Biden, and everyone was like, oh yeah, you know,
and he was asking for career advice from Empstein in
a lot of his emails. So it goes deep. Man,

(52:06):
it's an actual like this is a full blown conspiracy.
And I want to be clear, I'm not alleging that
they all have compromond or any of that stuff on them.
I really actually don't think that's the case. I think
a lot of it was money influenced and power.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
That's enough.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
You and I have lived here long enough we know
and people will just look past it. But what you
I think I would hope most moral people are above
is you usually google the people that you're associated with.
They're just a registered sex offender at the end of
the day, and none of them cared as long as
you know you can get access to money into power.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
And to use the fact that other wealthy, famous people
continue to associate with him to be like, well, I
mean Bill Gates still hangs out with yea exactly, it.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Can't be that bad.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like you know, these like Larry Summers or whoever, they
still think that I'm cool, so it can't be that bad.
One more that I just saw here this morning, because
by the way, it's important to remember, as Soccer was saying,
two thousand emails and messages got dropped yesterday and none
of them are in a searchable format.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
So there's in a Google drive in image folders which
are unsearchable, just so everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So what we just went through is the sampling of
what has come out so far. There is going to
be more okay. And so here's another one that I
just am seeing for the first time, where it's Michael
Wolf again going back and forth with Epstein talking about Trump.
This is in early twenty eighteen, and so Epstein replies

(53:32):
to him, the rich and powerful always send lawyers letters.
A book about any one of them takes more time
to publish as I must be, and I am meticulous
about documentation. And backup, now again, maybe that's not true.
There are some you know, indications from the FBI search
of his townhouse and you know, victims saying that there

(53:53):
were video recording, that there was cameras everywhere, et cetera.
There are some indication that that is actually the case,
but that that was the perception he wanted people to have,
was that he was meticulous about documentation, that he was
recording everything, that he was keeping track of everything, And
so the reality of what he actually had or didn't
have doesn't really matter. What matters is what powerful individuals

(54:17):
like Trump think that he may have and assume that
he must have, and assume that he must be sharing
with various entities that he's also associated with. So, you know,
I found I thought, I think that one is significant
as well in terms of the way that he's portraying
himself as this sort of like all knowing, all powerful

(54:38):
with all the receipts to.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Back it up kind of a guy.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
And so there's, you know, the power, the proximity to power,
the genuine influence. I mean, the amount of now we've
seen it honestly goes beyond what I expected. The amount
of globe trotting power that he had to shape world
events is mind boggling to contemplate. So you have wealth,

(55:02):
you have power, you have proximity to all of these elites,
and then you throw in that you have dirt on
any number of people that can make your life very difficult.
Then you see how this conspiracy of silence develops and
is sustained over so many years. And the last point
I wanted to make here and by like I said before, there's.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Going to be stuff that continues to come out. Whatever's new.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
We'll also put in the show tomorrow, the Friday Show
tomorrow as well. But Jill Philippovic made a good point
about these emails with this New York Times reporter.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
These were from his work account.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
So New York Times fired him because he had an
inappropriate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, so they knew that he
was having this personal relationship. And these emails about Epstein
and Trump have been sitting on New York Times servers
presumably for all these years, and they just I guess,

(55:58):
never bothered to think of that, never bothered to search
the emails, never bothered to see if there was anything
relevant there that they might want to look into and
report out. And that is wild and gets to what
you were saying, Sager about, like, how is it possible
that none of this has.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Come out before?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
You literally had the email sitting on New York Time
servers and they did.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Nothing with it.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, weird. Interesting?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And look at Ryan right now reporting out all this
stuff that any any reporter could get access to and
report out, but they are the only ones who are
doing it.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Tells you a lot.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I mean, this goes to the heart of the Epstein
story from the day one. Remember Amy Roebach Morning America.
Oh yeah, add the story couldn't cover it. Actually, in
some of those files, he is giving advice about how
to help quash stories for the Royal Palace.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
When the Duke Andrew is in his emails being.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Like please, I have nothing to do with this, Please
quash this story for me and Epstein is like, if
we help this, then we're going to be at you know,
parties in Buckingham Palace for the next for the rest
of our life.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
He literally says that in

Speaker 3 (57:01):
The emails Stark crazy stuff, crazy stuff, wild,