7/10/26: Dems Scramble To Replace Platner, Iran Trump Assassination Claims From Israel

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It's brutal. I was going to say Ryan's outnumbered.

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Well, we're about to have another East Coaster join us.
But yes, you were all the way in California all week,
all the way at the beach, hanging us out to
dry with bro shows on quite an awkward week.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
What are timing for bro shows?

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of this show, not my choice, This was not my vision.

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We did a great job of our cup with our coverage.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Thank you. Yes, So now we have here and the
coverage continued.

Speaker 8 (01:24):
So we'll have treat de Parsi on later in the
program to talk about the latest strikes going back and forth. Uh,
the US, because it wants to constantly go for the
title of the like most vindictive and petty country on
the planet, bombed the rail lines on the way in
and out of Mashad, the city where they're holding the
funeral for the Ayatola. Like the only purpose of strikes

(01:46):
like that, could you be just to deeply inconvenience and
harm the civilians going to attend the funeral of the
supreme leader that the US assassinated to start this war.
But let's start talking about the process for replacing Graham
Platner on the main Senate ballot line. Is this has
this was the contentious decision that had Grand Platner, you know,

(02:13):
withholding his resignation. He still hasn't filed his paperwork. He
said he's going to do it on Monday. His argument was,
we won more We won more votes than any other
campaign in the history of Maine, and we did so
on the back of a populist, anti genocide, anti war message,

(02:34):
and we want to make sure that whoever replaces us
is also has a similar agenda. Otherwise it is a
coup against the kind of the people of Maine. And
the main Democratic Party pushed back, saying that they don't
want Platner's campaign to have anything to do with it.
So they've now structured and they're in the process of

(02:55):
putting together a plan that will have kind of six
hundred delegates and we're going to choose the next nominee.
Nathan Bernard, whose drop sites reporter in Maine, is going
to has some news on that is going to break
that down. But first you want to play the latest
from Devin Murphy Anderson, the Maine of.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Course executive director.

Speaker 8 (03:16):
This is the Democratic Party executive director in Maine who
last night gave an update on the process.

Speaker 9 (03:23):
As you all know, we have been absolutely committed to transparency.
So even though it is incredibly late at night, I
am coming to you live on the ground from the
main DUMS headquarters.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
We are so.

Speaker 9 (03:33):
Excited to announce that our process for US Senate candidate
is now live. Candidates now have the ability to submit
their declaration of intent and begin engaging Maine Democrats in
earnest by earning their support and collecting signatures. We are
fully committed to transparency, so we are making those candidate
rules available to everyone and you can read them at

(03:55):
maindums dot org. We are continuing to race towards the
release of our fair and inclusive process to select a
new US Senate nominee, and we are not leaving this
office until that process is in the hands of you
the people. In the meantime, you can expect more updates
like this from the ground to mainners. Thank you for
being in this effort with us.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
All right, Ryan, have you gone to Maine Dems dot org.

Speaker 8 (04:20):
I have, I have not yet. I bet Nathan has.
Do you want to bring in? Don't want to bring
in Nathan?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, let's talk to good old Nathan because things are
moving fast.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Nathan. Welcome to the show. How are you good? Good?
All right?

Speaker 10 (04:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (04:35):
No, I was just saying Nathan is breaking a lot
of news on this process along the way, including which
which candidates are running, who has the support of kind
of which which faction within the state, including you know,
Platner's erstwhile volunteers.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
But yeah, yeah, Nathan, how are you doing this morning?
Thanks for joining good.

Speaker 11 (04:53):
Yeah, people are still hitting me up this morning pretty
much constantly. And to be clear, Devin Devin Murphy Anderson
I think is her name. That is about like the
candidates that are running, not the delegates.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Right right, those are right?

Speaker 8 (05:08):
So that so the process is finalized for how candidates
can get in, but they have not yet cemented the
process for how how the delegates are going to be chosen. Now,
you reported that one county chair hosted inside information about
how this process was looking to unfold.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Griffin.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
If you have Nathan's tweet, you can put that up
and Nathan kind of it seems like this person got
ahead of their.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Skis Yeah, that guy that jumped the gun vote.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Bruce Bryant, Yeah, great name.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, Bruce Bryant. Bruce Bryant.

Speaker 11 (05:47):
I guess he was in this meeting last night with
all the different county chairs from across the state where
they're still trying definitely to decide how the delegates will
be elected. Bruce went on to his personal face book
page and posted a press release kind of leaking their
thoughts on the process.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
So in yeah, Oxford County, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, I'll read it for the audience in case you're
listening on audio. It says press release, Oxford County, Maine.
Bruce Bryant, chair of the Oxford County Democrats, is convening
a county caucus for the purpose of electing delegates to
the Nominating Convention for the United States Senate on July nineteenth,
from one pm to four pm at Oxford Hills. Comprehensive
High School. Registration will begin at one pm. All County
Democrats are encouraged to intend. And that's a Sunday, right.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's a Sunday.

Speaker 11 (06:36):
And the Cumberland County Democrats, which is by far the
biggest county that'll have the most delegates, they do not
have a process yet. The vast majority of these places
do not have a process decided. So Bruce is saying
that there's going to be caucuses. I guess on the
top level, we're going to choose six hundred delegates across

(06:59):
the state, hundred of which are just the state committee
members themselves, which are essentially super delegates.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
They're the ones that are designed.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
Yeah pause on that, Nathan, Because there's been a lot
of grassroots effort since twenty seventeen or so among kind
of normal Democrats who aren't party hacks to kind of
enter into Democratic party politics. Has that happened in Maine
Because some people might hear like one hundred party people

(07:30):
and think, oh, these are just party establishment hacks, and
maybe that's true, but it's also possible that genuine party
activists have kind of entered the ranks, Like who who
are these hundred people?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
How super are these delegates?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah? They're pretty super to me.

Speaker 11 (07:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, these are largely party stooges, hacks that
are highly involved in the establishment apparatus.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
The revolution is unfinished in Maine.

Speaker 11 (08:01):
Revolution is unfinished. Delegates very super, I would say for
those hundred.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Okay, so you got those hundred and then the other
five hundred go ahead.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Well, I was just going to say, structurally, which candidates
does that process benefit?

Speaker 11 (08:15):
I mean, I think we have to see how the
kind of there's five hundred county level delegates that are
going to be decided, and we withdrop site, we obtained
kind of the proportional breakdown of how that's going to look.
I guess the main Democratic Party looked at twenty twenty
four votes during the election and kind of spread them
out proportionally for the delegates for this, So it means

(08:38):
that like Cumberland County where Portland is, for instance, will
have almost a third of the delegates in this process.
Troy Jackson won Portland's huge, so maybe it helps him.
I've heard two different kind of stories though, of how
those delegates.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Will be chosen.

Speaker 11 (08:59):
One is the Bruce Ryan kind of line of thinking
is that there's going to be caucuses.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's going to be more democratic.

Speaker 11 (09:05):
There's going to be opportunities then for Platner volunteers, let's say,
or really every single coalition is organizing to go to
these county committee meetings, so everyone's going to be vying
for it, and if there's a caucus, it becomes a
little bit more democratic. The other way that people are
looking at this is that you're going to have to

(09:27):
file paperwork. You're going to have to be able to
obtain two hundred and fifty signatures in a small period
of time. You're going to be have to able to
navigate that process to even become a nominee to become
a delegate to then vote on who the next candidate
is going to be. So either way, it's going to

(09:49):
lean towards favoring people that know how to navigate these processes.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
Walk us through the candidates a little bit. So Troy
Jackson is this working glass logger, whereas the Northern Maine
it's an aligash who entered politics in the nineties as
a actually as a Republican candidate who was protesting the
way and Emily will like this that you know, American

(10:15):
workers main workers were in competition with kind of illegal
immigrant Canadian workers sort of to like put a gloss
on it, and they did a bunch of direct action
and then he challenged and they ended up running for
the state legislature as a Republican. Lost two years later,
ran as an independent and won and beat this guy

(10:36):
who'd been in there for decades or whatever. This seat
had been Democratic for absolutely forever. And then eventually he
switches and becomes a Democrat and eventually rises to you know,
state Senate. So he had he has the support of
Bernie Sanders yesterday he oh and Griffin, you have this
yesterday he so, and I guess I'll have to take

(10:56):
it back on the ship. On the program yesterday we
read his announcement statement. He said he's going to push
for medicare for all, fight corporate power, and I noted
that one of the things conspicuously absent was one thing
that was conspicuously present in Grand Platner's agenda, which was
ending the genocide and stopping the forever wars. He hadn't

(11:17):
mentioned that, but yesterday Troy Jackson, in response to the
oh this was in response to the killing of the
man who organized putting up TV screens so people in
Gaza could watch the World Cup. Israel killed him, which
we covered on the show. Troy Jackson comes out and says,

(11:38):
this is unconscionable. Anybody with eyes and a heart knows
the Israeli government is committing genocide in Gaza. It has
to end, and we as Americans have the power to
end it. When I'm in the US Senate, I'll never
vote in favor of US taxpayer funded military aid to Israel. So, Nathan,
he ran for governor, and running for governor, you don't

(11:59):
really ask a whole lot about foreign policy. But what
do we know about where he is on the question
of Israel's genociding in Gaza and in general kind of
the anti war agenda, since this is something that did
motivate a lot of people to get excited about Platiner.

Speaker 11 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean, certainly he's anti Israel. He wouldn't hesitate
to call what's happened in Gaza a genocide. I know
during his gubernatorial campaign there was the three fourteen pack,
which I think Dropside has done some reporting on.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
It hasn't times been used as an APEC vehicle. At
other times it's just backing scientists and public health officials.

Speaker 11 (12:49):
Yeah, and that vehicle was used as a means to
attack him and back Narav Shaw, who's another candidate now
running for Senate. So certainly against the forever wars I would,
there's no question about that.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Rov Shaw also had video released yesterday from months ago
of him calling out the genocide in Gaza as well.
So it doesn't seem like Troy is the only one
occupying this lane for well, tell me more about this
sort of.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Three fourteen that's going to be tougher for him. But yeah,
go ahead, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, tell me more about this other this other gentleman
that you mentioned and his chances compared to Troy.

Speaker 11 (13:31):
Yeah, so narov Shaw, he won the first round of
rank choice voting here for the Democratic primary for governor,
so he got the most votes, right. He ended up
losing that race because of rank choice voting. There was
a coalition that formed really through Platner of Troy Jackson,

(13:52):
Chelley Adam, Hannah Pingree, and Shanna Bellows, and that coalition
ended up being very successful in our rank choice race.
Narov Shaw ran our CDC during the COVID pandemic. He
became something of a mini celeb here. He would do

(14:14):
these kind of zoom meetings where all the kind of
fifty plus moms would tune in every single day. They
absolutely loved him. My mom loves him honestly, you know.
So it became a thing. Yeah, she before he was
even running. My mom, who very like middle of the

(14:35):
road liberal, she would tell me every time she saw
me that she wished Narovshaw would run for something because
she'd know she'd vote for him in a second right,
kind of like Cuomo. Remember how he would do those
basic video did the same thing. Yeah, Yeah, it was
a version of that for Maine and so it's a
very small state. He gained a mega celebrity through that

(14:58):
process and did do a genuinely good job of communicating
tough public health information in a very understandable manner for
people when people were really worried and scared. So his
policy platform, I would just hesitate a bit on There
is such.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I don't know how to put it.

Speaker 11 (15:21):
There's such angst of people and such worry that whoever
this next candidate is is not going to uphold what
so many people just voted for in this Senate race.
Anti establishment, ending the wars, Medicare for all, workers' rights,
housing rights, childcare shouldn't be a second mortgage you're paying

(15:45):
and completely bankrupt you. And every candidate, it feels like,
is coming out of the woodwork and just saying, well,
now I want medicare for all. Now I want to
end the genocide in Gaza. So that I would caution
Shaw stuff because of that, and especially the three fourteen pack.
It's just there's more to look into there, and everyone

(16:06):
is trying to jump on this train so that they
can say, well, look at me, I'm just I hold
the same platform as Platner without all the baggage.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
On the public health front. There's a complicating factor here.
So Tammy Duckworth just came out with a unindorsement non
endorsement of Shah. So Nirov Shaw was Republican Illinois Republican Governor,
Bruce Raners public health director, and Tammy Duckworth posted, Maine

(16:38):
deserves better than someone who put his who put his
public health image before the safety of our veterans.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Too.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
Many of our heroes lost their lives under Neurov Shah's
watch as Illinois Public Health Director. I called for his
resignation then, and I strongly oppose his run for Senate. Now.
I wonder how devastating that is to to Shaw, if
is there enough time to get that out to voters, Like,

(17:04):
what's your sense of whether that would undercut to have
a popular Democratic senator from another state saying do not
send this guy to the Senate.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
A little inside baseball here, this is mini scoop for you.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
So during the gubernatorial primary, pingree Bellows Jackson the whole cohort,
there was a lot of talk behind the scenes of
saying that there's absolutely no way Shaw could be top
of the ticket for us in this race because exactly
a the Legionaire disease outbreak that he helped oversee.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
They wanted to run ads on it.

Speaker 11 (17:43):
They were really pushing to get this information out there,
which is important information, right, especially because he's supposedly this
public health guru that led us through the pandemic perfectly.
There Also, this is an other little inside information. There
have been multiple accounts, and this was going to be

(18:04):
part of the attack ads they wanted to put out
of nurses that said he internally did a poor job
of leading the state through COVID, their voices weren't heard.
He suppressed potential care to marginalized communities, and furthermore, he

(18:24):
didn't really do anything. Everyone saw him as his great
innovator because they loved watching him on his Jewish feel
every morning and drinking their coffee in shaw we Trust
mugs were all over the state, right like pumper stickers. Yea, yeah,
so it was you know that that kind of was

(18:46):
his only innovation. People said, really, he was just taking
practices from other states to follow through on this.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So I think if he were the nominee, I know
right now.

Speaker 11 (19:00):
That the volunteers for Platinir, which are thousands of people,
and really the people backing Troy Jackson or even a
Shanna Bellows, they're not They would not organize for this
guy or work for this campaign.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So there's real risks.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
And I guess, well, Susan Collins could put up an
ad saying, you know, Tammy Duckworth says this guy shouldn't
be in the Senate, Like that's pretty bad if.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's real risks, and I just want to
make clear.

Speaker 11 (19:32):
I guess back to the overarching I can talk to
a couple more of the candidates, but overarching, there's six
hundred delegates that are now the voice for two hundred
thousand voters.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Just no one wants that. No one thinks that's good.

Speaker 11 (19:49):
Right, Even if we have these caucuses that decide five
hundred delegates, we still have one hundred super delegates that
are deciding this. There is still just this under current
feeling from all the conversations I'm having even the most
optimistic silver lining hopium, you know, pilled people that want
to get out there and organize and take over the

(20:12):
county committees, that this is extraordinarily undemocratic.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
I would I would anecdote anecdotally, like what are you
hearing from people about the charges against Platner, like the
the the successful effort to get him out by so
many in the national and local scene, Like what how
are people are people like good? He's he's a terrible
human being. I'm glad he's gone. Or is there some

(20:37):
more complicated mix of reactions from just just the people
that you've kind of interacted with and.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Nathan, can I tack onto that?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Because it does seem like at first there was total
unity Plartner, this is this is the last straw. Then
its early as days went on, there was a more
mixed opinion. So is that what it's is that also
reflected on the ground or is that just kind of
the artificial X bubble?

Speaker 11 (21:03):
No, No, that is of I have I'll say this
anecdotally because I've had so many conversations at this point.
I don't think there's any question that of the validity
of the story, the validity of the allegations. I think
that people though are they can't help but look at

(21:24):
the timing and feel cheated. They can't help look at
it and feel that establishment or the timing of it
had something to do with it. I think that that,
for better or worse, that is something that people are feeling.
I've just heard it too many times at this point.
And there's different reasons that that unity that you talk
about is fractured. I think some of it just he's

(21:47):
a terrible human being. He needs to get out right now. Right.
There's other people though that I think if you're just
talking Internet, it depends which platform you go on, for instance,
that look at it in different ways. X has overwhelmingly
won opinion. Facebook might have another opinion, Substack might have
another opinion. The people in Maine have a completely different opinion. Right,

(22:09):
And the other side of that fracture is that because
of these allegations, the severity of it electorally, it's going
to be horrible for him and it diminishes his chances
of winning a race that is so crucial.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So there's that too.

Speaker 11 (22:30):
It's mixed, right, it's this isn't people are hurt, right,
this is this is people have put a year of
time into this, not just the volunteers and staff, the
people that voted for him. It the mood is not good, folks,
just you know, period.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
So people are feeling like there's an establishment coup. People
are feeling like there's some sort of establishment coup that's
trying to get in here.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
You know, I've seen.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
A lot of established people say, oh, they didn't really care.
I mean, Platner's policies are one thing, but they really
just like Platiner the guy, is what I'm hearing from
more national sort of centrist dem liberals, whereas we've been
hearing from a lot of people on the ground that
it was really more about his policies. Do people feel

(23:19):
that Troy Jackson will be a spiritual successor that that
really embodies the things that got everyone excited about Platiner.

Speaker 11 (23:29):
Yeah, I think it's foolish for people to the establishment
piece to look at this and assume that one hundred
and fifty eight thousand, one hundred and fifty thousand plus
people who just voted for Platner that none of those
people are going to be skeptical about this. Main is
the oldest state in the country. Right, They're not all

(23:50):
on X they're not all on Facebook. A lot more
of them are on Facebook, right.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Just gonna say they're probably on Facebook.

Speaker 11 (23:57):
Yeah, Like this book is the hub up here for
people chatting. So yeah, it's it would be foolish to
totally disregard that I think in his message, his message
leaving it was all focused on the establishment. I think
it would be it would be foolish for people not

(24:19):
to take that message seriously. Another little bit of information
his wife just did an aunt. His aunt just did
a post on Facebook that got widely shared and liked.
Maybe I'll post it at some point on Twitter. But
she basically said, Hey, I hope Graham and Amy don't
leave doing the grassworks, grass roots work that they're doing,

(24:43):
that they can get back to that. But also, hey,
if you think the establishment had a part in this,
but with your conscience, right.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So that's his aunt saying that on Facebook.

Speaker 11 (24:54):
So again I think there is a part of that
feeling that we just got screwed. Now this process is
a Kamala two point zero where we're just inserting it.
The establishment inserts a candidate, and it goes against everything
that this movement was built on, which is an anti
establishment movement at its core. I think Troy Jackson can

(25:19):
fit that anti establishment molds and the policy platform the
most closely. But again I think to discount, there's the
platform piece, and then there genuinely is Platner as a
person and what he was doing across the state as
just a forty one year old guy that was outside
the system, that represented someone who could be in this

(25:42):
office and gain seniority for years to come. I think
it would be foolish just to say that played no
part in it, right, that's not Troy Jackson.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
They cannot, I mean truly, Nathan, You'll know, this depressing
turnout is going to be a disaster. You know, if
you have depressed grassroots activists who just are disillusioned by
the party and not excited, not even just the grass
act of activists, but Democrats center left type people in

(26:15):
November who just say, I'm not showing up for this,
so I'm not excited about this person. That was the
edge that Plattner had until recently in a close race.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
That really is a disaster for Democrats.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
And I think that there are certainly there's all sorts
of talks, and I think I'll post some stuff just
about how volunteers are approaching who will be and the
people that have dedicated the most time to this race
are approaching who the next candidate will be. And Ryan
and I have texted a bit about this already, but

(26:56):
I think.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
The other people.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Is it going to be Ryan, It's it's you.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Know, actually the best Canada.

Speaker 11 (27:02):
I think miss Rachel is from Benneford Main so she
I wish you would run. But I think the other
people that are potentially going to step in here across
the board, they all just lost their primaries. They all
just lost, right, they're all loose. I hate to say it,

(27:24):
but soly like yeah, like they literally respect lost due respect,
due respect. But and one of them, uh, there's a guy,
Dan Kleeban running who runs main beer company here, fantastic beer.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Horrible candidate. Yeah, and he uh he.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
Ran for two days, he raised I think two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars and then dropped out and gave
it to Janet Mills because Chuck Schumer said, hey, Dan,
this is our girl.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Like now you gotta go.

Speaker 11 (27:55):
And he's coming out and posting all this stuff of
it's a genocide.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I want medicare for all. What are we talking about?
You know?

Speaker 11 (28:04):
So it's all that sort of stuff too, where I'd
take it same with the Shaw stuff, take it with
a gran of soul. These people all just lost their primary.
They're unemployed politicians that want to now jump at the
next race to run in was like.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
We were like one more minute.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
Shanna Bellows deserves a little time here because she, you know,
she's kind of popular across the board. She knock on
her if there is one, as she ran in twenty
fourteen against Susan Collins, so Collins has been there, done that.
Now she is much more a grown politician at this point.
Now she finished a tight what fourth in the third

(28:44):
or fourth in the governor's race, fourth, but everybody was
kind of lumped together. She was part of the trinity
of Troy Jackson, Pingree and Bellows. Quick thoughts on her.
I mean, obviously she's not the anti establishment fire brand,
but she's pretty progressive and well liked across the state.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, she's good. She's the secretary of State right now.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
She blocked Ice from getting access to our license plate information.
She's blocked Trump from getting our voter roles. She's very
pro labor. The labor unions love her. She absolutely would
be for medicare for all. I would assume that she
would call out the genocide in Gaza and be against

(29:28):
forever wars.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
So she's a good option.

Speaker 11 (29:31):
And if it's not Troy I think depending on how
these caucuses go and how this finest final county level
delegate election system is decided, someone like her probably has
the best chance, right because the party likes her, people
generally like her. And then I guess the last guy

(29:51):
that's running is Jordan Would. He lost his Senate race.
He then went and lost the Congressional District two race,
and now he's back in Senate race running it again.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
His husband is with Mothership Strategies, which is the email
firm that pioneered the panic emails in your inbox that
like try to look like utility bills and like the
sky's falling if you don't give us three dollars. So
he raises a lot of money, but he's got a shot.
He spends it all then on fundraising. Not he doesn't
use his husband's firm to his credit, but he uses.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
So there's a good drop site.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
There's a good drop site story on that, right right, Yeah, Yeah,
he's raised.

Speaker 11 (30:29):
He switched races to CD two just because he was
losing it a hurry, raised I think two million dollars
in the Senate race, and then raised another several million
dollars from doing the gun to my head, I'll vote
for Democrats email headers.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
And to raise every one of those dollars you have
to spend like ninety five cents, so like it comes
out in the FEC like, oh, look, I raised four
million dollars. It's like, yeah, but you spent three point
eight million on Facebook and on email like raising that,
so it's not as it seems.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Well, Nathan, Nathan, thank you so much for joining us
today and informing us from the trenches of Facebook. Please
continue that that reporting there for us, because I'm certainly
not on Facebook anymore, and I'm sure there'll be more
reporting from you for us to share in the future.
Where can people find you if they want to individually

(31:22):
keep tracking your updates.

Speaker 11 (31:25):
I'll keep writing for a drop site on this. You know,
Ryan and I are following the race. We've been at
this for almost a year now, So drop site you
can look for the written pieces and then Twitter, Nathan T.
Bernard you can follow me on there as well, and
I'll be posting stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
But yeah, glad I could share in Shaw we trust.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
That's the Shaw of Maine, not Iron. Thank thank you, Nathan.
We'll see you later to.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Oh that's really return of the shot.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
And just just when he thought he was out, they
pulled him back in his mug.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
They inshah lah with a little music.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Note Tata, Well, this leads us nicely to our ran
segment here, doctor Treta Parsi from the Quincy Institute, welcome
back to Breaking.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Points Crazy be with you guys.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Where do we begin Ryan, what do we want to
start with here?

Speaker 8 (32:29):
Well, Treata, we have the two major piece of news,
the bombing of the tracks and the other civilian infrastructure.
And then did you see Trump talking about arming protesters
it Jeremy seemed to think he was implying he was
arming the emy k. I thought he was referring again
to the Kords. Did you see this?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I needn't see that part, but I could, I could.
I would not be surprised that they're taking a second look,
if not the Kurds, perhaps at some other groups, the
Balucci's or others, because as you know, next week NATANIAO
is coming. These Raelis have been very much pushing this
narrative that all of this could have worked out so

(33:12):
well if just the Kurds had been armed, had it
not been for that decision, that have been pulled mainly
because they alredy Gone objected, but also because the Kurds objected,
which is kind of lost in the story. But had
that not happened, then everything would have been awesome, and
you know, this war would have been won in four days,
which is complete nonsense. I think this is an Israeli

(33:33):
effort to kind of give war another chance to secondly,
to create a narrative that allows.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
Them Griffin, let me play this. Let me play this
Trump clip for Treata. Right here we go.

Speaker 12 (33:45):
Idially, and that's an edict that's in writing. If they protest,
if they go out in the streets, they will be
immediately shot. They don't have guns. You know, we said
some guns. But the group that were supposed to give
which I said, what happened to my people? I said it.
I called it exactly. We said guns, lot of guns.

(34:05):
They were supposed to go to. The people said they
could fight back to get some ducks.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
You know what happened.

Speaker 12 (34:10):
The people that they sent them to kept him because
they said, what a beautiful gun.

Speaker 13 (34:14):
I think I'll keep it.

Speaker 12 (34:16):
So I'm very upset with a certain group of people,
and they're going to pay a big.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Price for that. Very poetic for it to be the
wild wild West underneath that, right.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Ridiculous, what a ridiculous timeline we live in. So there
were some who saw that clip and assumed that he
was talking about the attempt to arm the Kurds, which
is which there's been plenty of public reporting on. Others
have seen and said, No, looks like he's talking very specifically.
He's talking about January, like we were arming the protesters,

(34:49):
which would be somebody like the m EK, some anti
anti government group, and then they're saying that they kept
the guns.

Speaker 14 (34:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Treated your seeing that, your reaction to it.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
But also like, what what do we draw from the
fact that he's still kind of blustering about this their
inability to kind of sparkle uprising that is successful there.

Speaker 15 (35:13):
I do think he's talking about the Kurdish groups, because
there was an effort back then to give weapons to
Kurdish groups that would then be part of the war effort,
as well as Kurtish groups that actually were part.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Of the violent elements of the protests back in December
and January. There's a group called the Pak which actually
was trained by the United States back in twenty fourteen
to take on isis now it was supposed to be
an Iraqi Kurtish group, but it was an Iranian Kurtish group.
I don't know if the US didn't know that it

(35:48):
was an Iranian Kurtish groups, but nevertheless they trained it
and it's been a very violent group, and it was
using violence throughout the protest, even before the protest. So
I suspect that there's some Kurtish groups that he's talking about,
and he's mentioned in other intviews that is very upset
with occurs now. They didn't do it because at the
end of the day, the Turks into them, but also
some of the Kurdish leaders of the Kurdish government in

(36:09):
northern Iraq were dead set against it because they knew
that it would be a disaster and they knew that
they would end up paying the price for it because
of the round in retaliation. The Israelis are very much
pushed this narrative that everything would have been just amazing
had this Operation Will the Courage gone through, and I
don't believe that for a second. I think it would
have been a disaster in many different ways. But it's

(36:30):
an Israeli effort to essentially give war another chance to
claim this narrative that everything would have worked out well
had this just one thing been done correctly, and that
way go back and be able to say we still
can do war because we actually didn't really fully try
regime change.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
And we were talking about what that might mean, just
in terms of going back to the beginning of the war.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Natanyahu seemed to convince Trump that that was a great
plan and obviously didn't work out the way that Natahu
told the President that it would this time around Trea.
What could we see happen if that's if that attempt
at least is successful.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You know, it's interesting. On the Iranian side, there's a
lot of folks that are very worried that the whole
MoU is just used to be able to for the
United States to be able to prepare itself for another
around the war, And given how the US under Trump
has behavior, is not necessarily surprising that they would think so.
When you take a look at the fundamentals of the situation,

(37:40):
you're still seeing a scenario on which only a third
or so of the traffic of the Strait is actually
up and running. We're not seeing the strategic reserve of
oil actually being filled up in the manner that I
think the administration was hoping for. The second and third
level consequences of the previous oil shock is still being felt,
some of it has not even started yet. So to

(38:02):
under these circumstances restock the war without having at a
minimum a completely different approach and strategy, to me, does
not seem to be something that possibly could work. If
there's going to be another world, they're going to have
to think it through very differently. And the circumstances are
not such that there's been enough recuperation. And I don't
have the data on what the levels of interceptors, etc. Are,

(38:25):
but it certainly doesn't look as if that in any way,
shape or form has managed to be restocked in order
to have another war. What I think may be happening,
or ends up happening, is that if the war is
kept at this level in which it is below the
threshold for the Yvannians to close the strait of hormones,

(38:48):
then the US may find a degree of benefit in
the war because it is degrading the Vannians without paying
the price that the US and the world economy was
paying when the war actually was fully in in shape,
Because that's when the strait was closed, economies around the
world were suffering tremendously. The Iranians are aware of this
as well, but they're also looking at a different scenario,

(39:10):
which is that even if the strait is not closed,
this warfare is reducing the traffic already, and the reduction
of that traffic, combined with the very low inventory of oil,
including in the strategic reserve of the United States, which
is by the way it is not supposed to be
used in the matter that it is used, is enough

(39:31):
for the US to simply not have enough time to
be able to conduct any of these military campaigns in
a way that would strengthen its negotiating position. If this is,
at the end of the day, some sort of a
negotiating strategy, if I can take it just a step
back and say, this whole thing is just so idiotic,
because there was I mean, look, this whole thing was

(39:51):
about the fact that the MoU Article five has different interpretations.
I personally don't find the Vanian reading of MoU Article
five to be convincing. But their view is that it
essentially gives them control over the strait during this period
until it is completely reopen and the final agreement has
been signed. The GCC and the American interpretation is different

(40:16):
in the sense that the cest Varneys are responsible for
making sure that this is safe passage, but it doesn't
mean that they're the only ones that are in charge.
And has a result, the us AND is using the
Southern Corridor in the state, which is in the Omani
Waters to pass ship throughs now. The Iranians are saying,
that's fine, they can go through there as long as

(40:36):
they notify the Ranyans. The Vineys want to make sure
that all ships that are transiting the strait are notifying them,
because according to the articles, they are. Even though it
doesn't use the word responsible, there's the responsible for exactly.
So as long as those ships actually do indicate to
the Iranians that they're transitting, the Ranius are saying they're

(40:57):
not having a problem. The US position and GCC we're like, well,
hold on, that kind of gives you complete control. It's
better to have a scenario in which if there is
any type of notification and notification should go both ways.
So there should be some entity on the GCC side
that also gets the notifications and someone on the vine side,

(41:18):
and the two sides were converging towards this agreement, but
then diplomacy was paused because of the funeral of the
Supreme Leader, and during the funeral, Saudi and Katari and
I think one other ship was trying to transit through
the southern part having its transponders off, which is not

(41:41):
permitted apparently, and this caused this big conflict now because
Levanni saw that as a confrontation, as a provocation, something
that was being used by Levanni, and attention was on
the funeral and then eventually shot at these ships. And
this is what because Trump to really get infuriated, and

(42:02):
now this whole thing started. And it really doesn't matter
because at the end of the day, this is just
for about another ten days out of the thirty days
in which this was supposed to be more or less resolved.
It's not entirely the MoU. It was just like ten
days left and now we're seeing the entire Mu and
everything coming crashing down. Frankly, because both sides are overreacting.

(42:25):
I think the Iranians were overreacting in terms of using
force against these ships, even though they didn't sink any
of them. And I think the US is completely overreacting
by restarting the war over.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Decision somebody else crossed our desks that I would love
you to react to. This is from CNN, which says
that Israel shared intelligence with the US that Iran had
devised a new plan to assassinate President Donald Trump. Two
sources familiar with the matter told CNN, and how are

(42:55):
we supposed to consume this news? You know it's been
used in the past assassination attempts on Trump as one
of the reasons that we have to go to.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
War with Iran.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
What do you know about this alleged new assassination attempt?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Obviously I have no idea what they're talking about. But
let me put it this way. Someone should do a
graph of looking at the moments in which these Raelis
are releasing this type of intelligence and how it coincides
with massive Israeli campaigns to get the war restarted. I
think these Raelis are very astute at playing Trump's psychology.

(43:33):
They see that he is right now in a very
bad space. In general, he seems to have been very
upset having to spend the last week with a bunch
of EU leaders in NATO that he hates, and on
top of that the ivanis are shooting at ships and
Ukraine Russia is not going well, so he just seems
to be in a terrible, terrible position.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
And during funeral, probably the funeral clips they were all
My assumption is that those were all over Fox News
where they were saying assassinate Trump, death to America.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
That sort of thing, So it probably realizes.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Right, certainly, Yeah, But also I think the size of
those crowds may have made Trump a little bit jealous.
It may not have played very well with him either.
But you're right, there were slogans et cetera during the
funerals calling for revenge against Trump. Undoubtedly, what was important
to notice is that it was never any senior or

(44:26):
even mid level official of the government that was issuing
any of those different threats, and that difference is of
course important. But personally, you know, we've seen it before
that they have tried to say that there is these
assassination attempts, and perhaps there are. When Trump wanted to
go towards diplomacy, he completely ignored it. When he wanted

(44:46):
to go towards the military confrontation, then he apparently was
impacted by it. Are there any attempts I have no idea,
but I think if there were, I would suspect that
the US intelligence would know more about it than the Israeli.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Do you got someone Ryan right?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you about these strikes themselves.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
It appears like the US is attacking a lot of
civilians infrastructure in Iran, particularly bridges and train tracks, leading
to the latest sight of the Iatola's funeral. What do
we know about and what do we know about what
damage Iran has done to you know, Bahrain, Kuwait and
facilities there. And then there were also these reports that

(45:30):
somebody was attacking Iran back from Bahrain and Kuwait and
it may actually have been Bahrain and Kuwait themselves. What like,
what do we know about the specifics of the fighting?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Sure, so, first of all, that remind us of those
attacking those railways, bridges, et cetera. These are war crimes, right,
not that that's something new, but unfortunately it's continuing. Those
specific railways were repatched and fixed within twenty four hours,
so the damage was not long lasting. That's different if
they if the US, if the Trump administration target bridges,

(46:02):
et cetera, that's going to be much more difficult to rebuild.
But the reason why those were very important was because
they had really gained significance during the period in which
the US was blockading the Persian Gulf. It turned out
that the Ivani has started to shift a significant amount
of trade and export of all through the railroad system

(46:24):
that had been built that was not fully operation or
had not been used to its full capacity started to
be used to its full capacity. So I think the
Yvanias probably are viewing this as a signal from the
Trump administration that if war goes back on, not only
will the US close the Persian golf again with his
blockade of the blockade, but it will take out Yvon's

(46:44):
alternative paths to export oil or to import different things.
So I think it was more of a warning or
taking mindful of the fact that VANUS could rebuild it
in twenty four hours. Clearly it was not aimed at
doing long lasting. When it comes to the idea that
the Baherraneans and the Kuwaitis are striking at Yvanias, these

(47:06):
this information came from Israeli media doesn't mean that it's false,
but I personally doubt very much that the Kuwaitis and
the Baherranneans would do that on their own, because I
would really invite a completely different type of an attack.
But the Iranians are done so far is they're going
after the US basis, and their argument is that if
there weren't US soldiers there and there weren't any US spaces,

(47:28):
that they wouldn't be attacking them. If Bahraine and Kuwait
themselves are attacking, it's a completely different story. Then. The
set of legitimate targets from the Yvonian perspectivell of course,
grows significantly, including military targets that are owned by the
Kuwaitis and the Bayherranny. So I'm skeptical at this point.

(47:48):
We have to wait to see. But this is part
of the imbalance that exists. Whenever something happens in Yvana,
we get images out of it because Yvanians are not
censoring people using their films to film the damage, whereas
that is taking place throughout the entire GCC states at
this point, certainly in Dubai and of course in Israel,

(48:09):
and which will hardly have any images coming out of
what is happening there, particularly during the exchange of fire
between Ivan and Israel. Just a couple of weeks ago,
and I really, you know, I think folks should go
back and just do searches on videos from October and
April twenty four to June twenty twenty five. The amount
of images that came out of Israel of ordinary people

(48:30):
just filming it to the essentially zero videos coming out
right now. That is because of military censorship. That is
not because damages are not done. That's not because the
missiles are not hitting. It's because there is a near
total censorship that does not allow us to see what
actually is happening.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Well, you mentioned earlier the crowds for the funeral blanketing
Fox News. Now Fox News has also recently Brian killed
Mega was on a Fox News segment saying he's not
really sure if wik Koff and Kushner are the men
for the job.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Let's take a listen for your reaction.

Speaker 16 (49:07):
Also, don't think that wik Koff and Kushner should be
the ones doing this. They're business guys. They have not
been effective in Ukraine, not been effective in Gaza.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
They have not been effective in this.

Speaker 16 (49:17):
They can have three portfolios to begin with. We have
a state department for a reason.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Marco Rubio.

Speaker 16 (49:22):
Even Democrats admit has been looked at as a genius internationally.
He's he is the guy most people would want, even
if you were if you gave truth seri to Democrats.
He should pick the lead on this because you can
this like a business deal. You have to understand the
history of the region and how distrustful the Iranians have been.
They will only make a decision if they have no

(49:42):
other choice.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Of those well, I like that of all Brian Kimmy's reasons,
the fact that they're massively corrupt and like financially tethered
to the people they're negotiating with then come up.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
But yes, your reaction our business guys.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I think the This is actually a very important clip
because the fact that he is very explicitly saying that
you know, this file should go to Rubio and the
State Department tells you something about what's going on here,
because you do have a split in the administration in
which you have a camp that is favoring the negotiations
and the one that is much more skeptical of it.

(50:19):
And he's essentially saying, take the negotiations out of the
hands of those people who believe in negotiations and put
it in the hands of those who never have believed
in negotiations with any of these people, with any of
these different countries, and that tells you something about, you know,
what they're really looking for, But it also makes me wonder.
I mean, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that it
was Hexit and Rubio that went in and informed Trump

(50:43):
of the fact that Devonians were starting to shoot at
some of these ships again for going through the Southern
Corridor without coordinating with them, and that that prompted this
whole beginning of him deciding to take military action, et cetera.
It does not appear, at least from the Wall Street
Journal reporting that actual negotiators, the ones that are in
charge of the file, were particularly participant in at least

(51:07):
in the initial discussions in which this was done. And
I think it adds to the picture in which we
have seen in the past week or so, Rubio, after
the MoU was negotiated, suddenly emerging into the scene here
both in Lebanon and in the GCC, despite the fact
that prior to that he spent most of his time

(51:28):
focusing on Venezuela and Cuba. But now suddenly he showed up.
He mediated a deal between Israel and Lebanon. That completely
contradicts the MLU, and it appears to me at least
to be an effort to sabotage the MU. He went
to the GCC States and got them to sign this
public statement that completely closes the path towards one option

(51:49):
of resolving the issue over the Strait of Hormue. So
both of those to me seemed as an effort of
undermining the negotiations. And now you have Fox Will saying
actually put the negotiations entirely into the hands of the
person who was opposed to these talks from gobsets M. Treta.
We appreciate your time.

Speaker 8 (52:09):
I know you had to get out of here pretty sharply,
but always helpful to have you on.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Thanks so much for having you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
I have a great weekend.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Check out Tree to subsecond as well.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
All right, I've got I've got something pretty fascinating for
you guys that really isn't getting enough attention. Let me
put this up on the screen here, so as well
as a bunch of people probably already realized, Germany's auto
manufacturing capacity is collapsing amid basically twin pressures. One their
energy costs have skyrocketed because somebody blew up a pipeline

(52:50):
that was supplying them with all of their cheap energy
from Russia, and so as a result, they can't compete
like they used to be able to. And secondly, Chinese
electric vehicles are just as emily. You saw it just
dominating the global market. You were recently in Brazil.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Like what tell us? Can you tell us real quickly
about the byds?

Speaker 6 (53:09):
I was all up in those byds?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
How are they?

Speaker 8 (53:12):
I've never seen one with my own naked eyes.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Yeah, no, I was actually really excited.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
It's I would say, you know, at least in Brazilia,
probably half the time, if you're getting an Uber, you're
getting a BYD. There's a big BYD dealership right outside
of the Brazilia airport.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
They're everywhere.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
They're obviously very very slick, and huge competitor to Tesla.
So that's definitely a major They're obviously not a major
player on the global EV marketplace, and you can totally
understand why I'm not an EV person in general.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
But there's they're slick, and so Germany sees the writing
on the wall and what they're doing is they're saying, okay, well,
if we can't compete when it comes to auto manufacturing,
we do need a lot of drones because we live
in fear of a Russian invasion, and so let's convert
a significant amount of our industrial automaking capacity into drone

(54:08):
making capacity. But there's an interesting hitch that just arose,
not just drone making capacity, but all kind of defense
capacity iron et cetera. Yeah, so let me put up
this Jerusalem Post article. So the headline here, Cutter veto's
Volkswagen deal with Israeli defense company Raphael in Germany. So,

(54:33):
in other words, the Germans were trying to convert a
Volkswagen plant into an iron dome manufacturing plant, and they're like,
solves all of our problems, except, oh, wait a minute,
Cutter is a golf country that was just bombed by
Israel like back, you know, back in twenty twenty four,

(54:56):
and considers them to be a geopolitical rival. And they're
the ones that have an enormous amount of investment in Germany.
And so you've got the Israeli technology, but you've got
the Qatari money, and so the Germans are kind of
caught between the two of them. So now this, this
effort to kind of rehab this Osnabruck plant into a

(55:18):
weapons maker is now stalled.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Because of that. It's a it's.

Speaker 8 (55:25):
An interesting window into way into the way that all
these kind of conflicting structural forces that we're watching play
out on a daily basis are colliding with each other
in what seems like a really unsustainable way.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
That's crazy and for the reck of Ryan surprised us
with the story and what I did not expect him
to say. There was none of those was on my
bingo card when he opened up by talking about the
German Volkswagen plant that was Florida.

Speaker 8 (55:52):
Didn't think it was going to Doha and Jerusalem. Yeah,
so no, just just wanted to share that with the audience. No, no,
you know, huge deeper thoughts, but that like this is fascinating, Like, yeah,
this will have implications for the US too, because in order,

(56:12):
you know, so in the US, you're gonna have a
bunch of weapons makers. You're gonna want to team up
with the Israeli military, which they're trying to fuse with ours.
Albit Systems in fact, which is the number one military
contractor in Israel, is in the lead to get the
American howitzer contract. So there's a multi billion dollar contract

(56:37):
for an Israeli company to be making howitzers like iconic
American weapons system, which we.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Also just authorized patriots in Ukraine right this.

Speaker 8 (56:47):
Week, right authorized, Right, they're like, oh, go ahead and
make your own because Ukraine is complaining that we're wasting
all of our patriots in this unnecessary war with Iran.
And meanwhile, all like the last ballistic missile strike from
Russia on Kiev, every single ballistic missile went through and
something like thirty two people were killed. So they're starting

(57:07):
to take significant casualties in these ballistic missile attacks from
Russia because their stockpile of interceptors is basically exhausted. And
so the US solution was, well, here's a license, you
can make your own. It's like, bro, we're getting bombed today,
like so like and you know, if they try to

(57:28):
build a factory in Ukraine right now, Russia will bomb that.
So Ukraine has moved most of its defense technology and
drone technology into Poland and Germany and elsewhere, and the
Russians have said, you know, well, if that's what you're doing,
maybe we need Maybe were then justified in hitting Poland
in Germany. So yeah, they have a license, but like

(57:49):
a license doesn't do much for you when the when
the missiles are flying, like right now, see.

Speaker 7 (57:55):
The defense stocks up on the screen here, pretty much
everybody down except for come them.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
How are they losing money?

Speaker 8 (58:02):
How do you lose money in this environment?

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (58:07):
So if I'm to get if I meant to understand
this correctly, Ryan, due to Trump's war in Iran, it
has slowed down Germany's ability to turn a car company
into a drone warfare company.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Is that what I'm supposed to get or.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
In this in this case iron Dome. But yeah, their
broad strategy is to stop, you know, move away from
some of their concentration and vehicles, which is sad.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Those were cool cars because that was a short lived thing.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
I called them the VW Bug, the Iron Dome.

Speaker 8 (58:38):
Always we'll we'll have Mercedes drones. But if Kutzer has
anything to say about it, it's not going to be
done with in coordination with Israel, and Israel helped develop
the Iron Dome with the United States, which they love
to remind us of. So they have some they have
some you know, purchase to to make these objections.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Well, Trump is slowing down the German war machine with
his own war. I think that's eligible for another peace prize.
Put it on the board for him.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
There.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
But why don't we end, Why don't we end with
another story. Let's get back home for a sec to
New York City, where Zoron Mamdani is enraging, enraging people
with a new map of immigrants or immigrant locations, immigrant
areas of the city enclaves, which has angered one Rudy Giuliani.

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Let's look at and many more.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
There is an army of Rudy Giuliani's. They are angry
at zarn over those.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
We are Rudy. Rudy says mom.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Donni's decision to leave out little Italy on his map
of enclaves within New York is beyond shameful. Italian Americans
contribute so much, not just in New York City but
the entire nation. He also left out Irish and Jewish enclaves.
We all know what's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Going on here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
And here we've got a map that they put out here,
We've got all sorts of places. We've got little India,
little Egypt, We've got a little sign little Odessa, there's
a little Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Don't worry, Ukraine. We got you Ecuador.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
You know, all sorts of stuff here, but no Little
Italy on this map. And of course our friends at
the Free Press had to dig into this and speak
to local Little Italians about uh this, Little Italians. Let's
let's say I love Little Italy. This is one of

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my favorite restaurants right here. Let's take a listen, Hey.

Speaker 14 (01:00:42):
Mon Donnie, I give you a year you want, not
a New.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
York You the mis regie.

Speaker 13 (01:00:46):
And today we are here in Little Italy asking the
locals how they feel about one of the oldest immigrant communities,
Little Italy, not being included on Mayor Mom Donnie's immigrant
enclave map.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I don't consider you to be my maya. I think
it's just right before.

Speaker 17 (01:01:01):
He's gotta be fair to everybody, and he's not fair
to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
He's not fair to the Jewish people.

Speaker 17 (01:01:06):
But she makes everybody notice he's not fair to the
Jewish people, he's not fair to the Irish people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And now he hates the Italians for what reason?

Speaker 14 (01:01:15):
What do we do?

Speaker 17 (01:01:15):
Then, n I said, ate us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
They always sort of pushed us to the side. I
got it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 16 (01:01:22):
Their own problems, and we're always pushed aside.

Speaker 15 (01:01:25):
And I think time that you have to be firm
about this, otherwise we'll totally be for done.

Speaker 10 (01:01:32):
If you understand what took place here over one hundred
years ago, between eighteen eighty and nineteen twenty, when the
mass migration of Italian immigrants first came. This was the
stepping stone for the Italians.

Speaker 14 (01:01:43):
Or the Bari family came here one hundred and twenty
years ago from Sicily. They were immigrants. They landed down
in what's known as the Five Points. Grandma started the
san Ganowa festival right up there. That is Grandma. That
is Grandma, Grandma from the Bari family. Okay, she is
the heartness all of this neighborhood.

Speaker 17 (01:01:59):
My grandfather was on the Society of Saint Gennaro, which
happens to this share one hundred years so it means
a lot to me, little Lily.

Speaker 14 (01:02:07):
You know, there's no such thing as left or right down.
Yet both sides of the street are beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
And what makes New York City such a special place
is a collage of many different cultures.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
People from all over the world.

Speaker 10 (01:02:18):
Come here and settle and they need to be recognized
for the contributions that they brought to this wonderful country.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
All right, I stand with them completely honestly, and I
think this is an inexplicable decision that's actually sort of beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
I mean, why did you leave that off?

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Honestly?

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
Yeah, they brought us. They brought us pizza, they brought
us the mob, they brought us anarchism. I mean, what
more could you ask for?

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
But what actual question? Why were they not on the map?

Speaker 8 (01:02:49):
I see how they missed. I don't know how they
left us. That's it's absurd. Maybe like somebody read like
how the Italians and Irish became white? And they're like, well,
they don't count anymore as immigrants.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
They've got a little Ukraine.

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
They put well a little more recent little Ukraine. I
don't know, put out a new map. Come on, yeah,
take Alan, put out a new map.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Breaking point stands for a new map.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
We absolutely need a new map.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
This is the most atrocious thing that he has done
in office.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
Discrimination.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
It's bad politics. So like it's actually bad politics.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Mom, Donnie misstep, huge, mom, Donnie misstep. Here we call
balls and strikes. And that most definitely was a fright
that was a wild, wild pitch outside and yeah, I
mean listen, I think we're all going to be pouring
out a Negroni in honor of the little Italy, which

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is incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Everyone should go get a slice. Sit on the streets
on Italian influence in New York. Every time I go,
I was surprised that there was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
There was a lot of you know, clearly he wanted
to owner also felt that way about his handling of.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Israel and Jewish nature stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
So it seems like the free press will be up
and down those Irish astray.

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
There was there a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Ryan every time he's in New York City.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
Yeah, that's right, Michael Scott outside Borrow.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
That would be the ultimate humiliation he did his mom.
Donnie's next video is this is to Borrow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Wow, tomorrow is not bad.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
It's an institution.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Well, uh, that's gonna do it for all of our
important news segments, uh, for this Friday. But why don't
we get into a little bit of supercast am A
questions for our members to round out this episode. All right,
and it's time for some A m A questions. If
you join at Breakingpoints dot com, you too, can submit

(01:04:55):
an incredible written question that we will read on the
Friday shows. This is my favorite part of the show,
and sorry sometimes of that run short. Let's start with
Amy Snise, who asks there's a big call on the
left for media outlets like Breaking Points to interview Kashama Sewan.
I'm sorry if I don't know if that's how I
say her name about her independent run for Congress against

(01:05:17):
Adam Smith, one of the architects of the attempt to
merge the Israeli military with the US military. I think
you all should interview her. It would be weird to
only interview Democratic candidates running against these incumbents backed by
the Israeli lobby. As a leftist in Michigan, I have
largely abandoned the Democratic Party except for a very few
local candidates like Abdul, who I'm willing to vote for
but ultimately do not trust to be better than AOC.

(01:05:39):
It would also be nice to hear from people like
Breonna joy Gray on some of these electoral issues. She
offers a left perspective that Krystal and Ryan don't often
get into.

Speaker 8 (01:05:48):
Your response, Yeah, so on Kashama Sawant, So the way
that we think about what having candidates honor is basically
two things. One there has to be let's say there's
something very interesting going on in their race, like we
have some news on the race, there's some particular influence

(01:06:09):
in the race, there's a particular issue that this candidate
relates to. Even if that candidate isn't like neck and
neck with the other opponent, with their opponent like that,
that could be a reason to get onto the to
do an interview with someone who we don't necessarily think
even has a shot of winning, but they're very interesting

(01:06:30):
and newsworthy in their own right. And then the second
is if they have a realistic shot of winning and
represent some newsworthy kind of movement in our politics. And
you know, we're happy to have people from all all
spectrums like on it's not just the lefties or not

(01:06:50):
just the you know, megatypes. Happy to have the establishing
folks on to like go back and forth with them
and you know, pressure test their own arguments. So those
are the the two buckets that they fit into. So
want doesn't quite fit the first one. You could cover
Adam Smith and his role infusing the military without you know,

(01:07:15):
needing to talk to the opponent and maybe fits into
the second, but we would need some evidence of it.
I was I was actually talking to Sabby Sabs just
about this yesterday and I was asking her.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
She was saying, why don't you guys have Kashamas want on?

Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
And I was like, you have do you have any like,
do you have any evidence that this is a this
is a real race, because what we don't want to
do is tell our audience this is a serious candidate
who is in this election, and then election day comes
and they get seven percent of the vote, because then

(01:07:52):
the audience is like, you guys have no idea what
you're talking about. Next time you tell me that this
is a serious challenge, I'm not going to believe you.
So there's a threshold factor there. But we had point
not to interrupt to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
You know, some people would then say, but wait a second,
you had Zoron on when he was at like one
percent in the polls, Like, how do you make the
delineation there? And also some people also feel like a
lot of people also feel like when people request us
to have candidates on, they're like, that would be the
thing that changes everything if they get that Breaking Points
interview that's going to create a big avalanche that's going

(01:08:32):
to change an entire race and boost a candidate from
obscurity to the mainstream.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
That it's an interesting dynamic because it does have this
reverse chicken and egg type of feel to it, like
the same way that candidates have a hard time raising
money if they're not considered to be viable, but it
can't be considered to be viable until they've raised money.
It's the same problem that kids often confront right out college, like, well,

(01:09:01):
we'd like to hire you, you don't have any experience. Well,
how can I get experience if you won't hire me.
So there has to be an art to it as well,
to say, you know what, for a variety of reasons,
we think this particular candidate, if given a little bit
of attention, actually we'll catch fire. Mam Donnie fit that bucket.
But Mom, Donnie also fit the bucket that he was

(01:09:21):
doing something that was interesting on its own. He was
out in the street interviewing Trump voters about why they
voted for Trump in New York and and he was
incorporating that into his message. So even if he flamed
out in his election, like that was interesting in its
own right. In twenty eighteen, when I decided to kind

(01:09:44):
of go all in on covering AOC's primary, I didn't
suspect that she would beat him. I thought it would
be more competitive than people thought. But Joe Crowley was
in line to be the Speaker of the House, might
even have challenged Pelosi, or Pelosi may even have stepped
down at that point. And so I saw it as

(01:10:04):
a vehicle to tell people who Joe Crowley was because
at the time, he had a national name idea of
like five percent, he had a he had a DC
name idea of one hundred percent, was extremely powerful, but
nobody nationally knew who he was. So I was thinking, like, hey,
this is a way to like just let people know
who Joe Crowley is through covering this election. But then
as we covered the election, she starts to catch fire.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Yeah, he was way high up in the Pelosi chain
of succession.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
So that so the short answer to that is, it's
about it's an art. It's guessing. We had Chuck park
On in New York City. He ended up running a
very close race. People didn't get behind him. If they had,
he probably wins, and people regret. I think at this
point not getting behind him, he'll probably he'll probably run again.

(01:10:53):
So what I said to Sabby Sabs was there any polling?
And she said, I don't know about it, but there's
you know, she's raised like four hundred thousand dollar. That's
a lot of money. You know she's going to be
facing millions if she gets serious. So if there's polling,
this is what I would say to to this a
want campaign. If there's polling that shows that this is

(01:11:14):
a serious race, then you know we're then we're interested
in covering it absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Uh. If she raised four hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
You know, a pole is only five or ten grand nowadays,
like they're you know, they're they're much cheaper. You can
go ahead and run a pole. She had savvy was like,
you know, I know you guys have beefed in the past.
I was like, actually, we haven't beefed like she has.
It's been a one way beef. If she's dumped on me,
I don't have any problem with her at all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
And that's that's also not how it's okay to We
would still have them on if they absolutely like the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
The whole world at some point or other has dunked
on me at one point or another.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
It's fine like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
That's what I'm That's what I'm here fort like have
at it. We're absolutely fine.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Have people on who had dunked on me two years
ago or today, Like, it's fine on the show near
Tannan is welcome like today on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
That'd be a lit Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
This morning, I was saying that she should apologize or
resign for her comment that she's talked about Abdul el Siad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Uh, she's welcome to welcome to come on anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
And she's retweeted somebody calling me a scumbag. She's still
welcome to come on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, I retweeted exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:12:37):
Griffin liked it. He thought his like was secret I haven't,
I know, yeah, special access to likes. So anyway, So
that's that's what I would say. Bring us, bring us
some data that shows us that this is a serious race.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
And then we'll talk absolutely all right. I think that
was a great insight in how we make all of
these decisions. And then also, you know, there are other
candidates that you know, we might find sort of interesting
but don't really have like a big hook that the
audience cares about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
I'm not saying that about Kashama.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
But you know, we for you know, for opening up
the kimono or parting it for a second. You know,
we probably get like twenty requests a day, right in
different candidates and different stuff. And if it was just
candidates for two hours every single day, people will want
to watch that, Yeah, it would be tough. So we
try to wrap it into a story that people care about.

(01:13:33):
So that's another right, So.

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
The pitch was Zorn literally was he had just been
out in I think it was Queen's I remember, Yeah,
he had just been out that weekend after Trump won,
talking to Trump voters, and so that's where we're like, oh,
this would be super interesting to talk to him. And
it was a I don't remember if they pitched it
or if we just knew that that was happening, but
that's how the segment was booked.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
And I guess our instincts were right on that one.
All right. This next one is from Brent Combs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Ryan, appreciate your courage to have hard conversations and report
on sensitive topics. I'm sorry for all the misguided hate
and commentary you're getting lately from reporting on.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
The Platinum story and such.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
How do you deal with this kind of stress and
what motivates you to keep going? You are one of
my heroes. Man, keep up the great work.

Speaker 8 (01:14:20):
Oh, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Well, you motivate me. We talked briefly about this on
the show yesterday. We have a independent source of support
and revenue here at breaking points and also at drop site,
just from regular people. And as a result, we don't
have bosses who wear suits and down the hall who

(01:14:47):
tell us what we can say. We don't have corporate
or other sponsors that can threaten to withhold money, and
that gives us a unique ability to just say what
we believe, to search out the truth and report the truth.

(01:15:07):
And very few people have that opportunity to do that.
Most people, most reporters, have to go through layers of
complications to get from the gathering of news to the
reporting of news. Because we don't have to do that,
I just feel this moral obligation to do it, especially

(01:15:30):
when it's uncomfortable, because the audience has put so much.
The audience has built this because they want us to
do that. So if they've built that and then we
shrink from it. All we're doing is grifting. All we're
doing is like producing some entertaining content and cashing people's

(01:15:52):
checks who believe that they're funding something that is going
to have the courage and the strength to stand up
up when it's difficult, but actually doesn't do it when
when the chips are down. So that's why I feel
like an extra obligation to do it, even if it's
not terribly pleasant.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
What would the process have been like or how would
it may maybe have been different reporting out that political
story if you were still at Interceptor or huff Post
or other places that you've worked rain.

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
Intercept probably would have been fine, Probably could have probably
could have done that just the same at the Intercept,
because you know then, you know, when we left it
was because we felt like that might be changing. But
during the time that we were there, I don't think
I would have had a problem. And I did a
you know, a bunch of stories at the time that
were you know, controversial, and we and we published them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Proudly the Huffington Post.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
It was interesting like that, that's kind of stuff didn't
really come up in the same way at the time, Right, Yeah,
I had full free reign of the Washington Bureau Areana
had you know, just complete had just delegated complete authority.
So I could have done it, but it was a
different time and like that, Yeah, you just didn't have

(01:17:12):
stories like that really that came up. Yeah, it makes
sense now today it would be completely different at what
remains I think of the Huffington Post. Yeah, so I
mean that's that's basically Ah, that's basically how I how
I see that that like, because we've been given this

(01:17:32):
opportunity by the audience we have, we have to deliver
on it or we're or we're basically ripping them off
and defrauding them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
Mm hm.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
And that's what I've told everyone on Blue Sky.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
So my first so when I was a college student
I was doing at the time and Griffin, you're the
same age as us, You remember this, and Ryan will
remember it well.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
It was the era of the rape culture discourse.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
And so my first journalism work is when I was
a college student reporting out some what we would now
call me too stories but at the time were kind
of rape culture stories.

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
And then went on to do a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
Of like media criticism of me too and have like
reported out some of the stuff in the past, and
I just think, you know, it's a nontroversy the criticism
that Ryan and to something except Sager got this week
for including a perfectly relevant detail because people read into
it projected onto it their own position on X, Y

(01:18:37):
or Z. So I wasn't on this week except for Monday,
so I just wanted to put.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
That out there too.

Speaker 8 (01:18:43):
Yeah, and for people who missed that, we reported that
Politico was aware that Jenny Rascott had texted grand Platner
that evening about saying I need a glue massage, and
he's like, I'll come right over, and she's and then
she says, she said no, no, no, don't come over.

(01:19:05):
And Politico reported it as they exchange text messages and
she told him not to come over. Our point is
that those are different scenarios. Yeah, the Politico version supports
a breaking and entering. The one that Jenny told truthfully
and transparently supports possibly believing he saw that text message,

(01:19:30):
he jumped in the car, he came over and didn't
see the follow up text messages. If and we don't
know the wording of those follow up text messages either.
So if you're going to try an allegation in the
court of public opinion, then you put forward as many
facts as you have for the public. And the reason
I'm not too bothered by the criticism is that anybody

(01:19:53):
who looks at this reasonably agrees with that, Like, there's
just this context, and you don't have to believe it's
relevant context to believe it should still be shared, because
you're not the only person in a democracy. A democracy
includes all of us, and it is unquestionably the fact
that many people do believe it is relevant, and so

(01:20:18):
it's for them, then it's not for you. If we
were just a dictatorship and there's just one person making
the decision and it's you who's offended by the inclusion
of this detail, then okay, fine, but that's not what
we are. We are a democracy.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
Goes to the.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Credibility of Rassacoon as well, that she was willing to
say that to Political That's a point Political ironed it out, so.

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
Like if she was like, yep, right, she it shows
a level of confidence in her own condition of the
events that she was willing to include that, and it
shows something else on Politico's part to withhold it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Yep, Yeah, are the hard question.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Yeah, our final question comes from m mcri Plattner. I
took one look at this guy's Wikipedia, which I'd not
read before this morning, with the trust fund background, that
being kicked out of Hotchkiss, the dropping out of GW,
the bartending at the tune in, that getting the job
farming oysters due to his mother's fancy food connections. Who
in God's name thought this person was a reliable person

(01:21:19):
to put forward as a paragon of progressivism or as
a person we thought was capable of completing any kind
of structured process. There is no evidence this person has
ever completed anything of substance. Ever, What were we thinking?
And I guess if you're saying weed, does that mean
you live in Maine? Because the Maners they didn't really
care about any of that. I mean, this guy got

(01:21:40):
the most votes in any primary in Maine in history,
and it does seem trumping in the sense that I like,
I see so many centrist liberals trying to nail people
like Emma Vigland and other people who are supporting Platner
on this and being like, all, well, the Maners liked

(01:22:01):
him just because he had a deep voice and because
of all of his personal bona fides, but it seemed
like it was more trumpy and they're like, yeah, I
don't like everything about this guy, but I like the
policies that he is so loudly, you know, pushing. So
that seems to me to be what the majority of
mayners felt about Platner.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I don't know if you guys have anything else to that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:25):
There was an Axios article dunking on some progressive media.
I've seen this in other quarters as well, including US.
I don't know if we were mentioned in the Axios story,
but I know, Brian, you've probably gotten some of this
over the course of the week.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
It's an interesting criticism.

Speaker 7 (01:22:47):
He did complete four combat tours of duty, which is
what actually turned some of the hard left against Grand Platner.
And it's one of those things also where if you're
going to criticize a guy for not having true working
class bonafides, I think it's fair to say to give
scrutiny of where that loan actually came from. Looks like

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it was from his dad, like two hundred thousand dollars
from his dad. I think it's perfectly fair to be
to scrutinize his record. I think it's fair to say
he went to Hotchkiss, even though, as he explained to us,
he dropped out because he didn't like it. All of
those things totally relevant context that the voters of Maine
had in front of them, and so did the progressive

(01:23:30):
journalists and the independent media outlets that were covering the guy.
I just think when you serve for combat tours of
duty in those wars, for better or worse, and I
really mean that, it can give you a totally I mean,
you can't define that as blue collar or white collar,
but I can tell you that it's not white collar, right.
That's an enormous physical sacrifice, human sacrifice tragically in many cases,

(01:23:59):
and it just does give you a perspective on these
things that is absolutely worthwhile. It doesn't mean it's the
only qualification anybody should have, but I do think it
was a major source of and he talked about it constantly,
He talked about foreign policy constantly. I think it was
a major source of people's attraction to him, to be honest,
and I consistently think when you have you know, DC

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journalists being like he went to Hotchkiss or okay, like
he went to hotch Kiss, or his grandfather was a
famous architect.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
I get it. I do think that's relevant. But he
served four combat tours of duty in the Middle East.

Speaker 7 (01:24:36):
That does completely change the story if you just want
to say he's some little hotchkiss drop out, rich little
hotchkiss drop out who had his mom's you know, restaurant
to serve with the oyster farm, Do I think that
his consultants and probably him played also him played into
building a character.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Yes, of course, that's that's politics.

Speaker 7 (01:24:57):
And so if some people were overly credulous about it,
I hear the criticism, but also again, like he had
that chunk of what was it, run like fifteen years
of his life dedicated to that. That's a significant wrinkle
in the story that he's just some rich kid, right
plus bartending, plus plus the oystering, which people.

Speaker 8 (01:25:18):
Say, oh, this is just a hobby, blah blah, like
he's been doing it for five or six years.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
I grew up on the Eastern Shore, which is you know,
as a very hot, strong waterman economy. I went out
with my buddy, one of my best friends was a
crabber a couple times, and twenty years later, I still
remember how.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Hard that work was like you know, you're waking up.

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
At three am, You're you're out on the water before
the sun rises. You're you're you're pulling out of the
water like extraordinarily heavy. You know, this was trotlining. It's dangerous,
like the whole thing is dangerous. And then but you're

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sometimes done, you know, for at least crabbing, you can
be done by like nine or ten am and you
just completely wrecked for the rest of the day. And
this is the eastern shore of Maryland. He's up in
Maine where it's like absolutely freezing. He is every single
day going out on the water before the sun rises,
pulling up you know, fifty sixty pounds, you know, like

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gigantic oyster crates and doing that for hours in frigid,
miserable conditions for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Years, like.

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
You can call it, like people have hobbies like hebby,
Like does that sounds like something you're doing for fun.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
He's also in the infantry, by the way, that's also
worth benching, so like he.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Was it was the infantry. He was not.

Speaker 8 (01:26:55):
Jad Van says it was like a spokesperson for like
Stars and Stripes or whatever. What was his job?

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
I mean, great going to.

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
Buddha judge who like just went to cobble for like,
you know, five months and didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Anywhere that had Wi fi right, and you to talk
about how hard it is to fish them, then you
got to shock them, which which is equally hard if
anyone's ever tried to shock an oyster, also incredibly dangerous
and respect.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
When did you shuck an oyster?

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
I've worked in restaurants for a long time. I was
a dishpit guy. You were shocking oysters, not in the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Dishpit, but you know, I got behind I got behind
the counter for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
You know, I've shocked.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Fair share of oyster.

Speaker 8 (01:27:39):
Think about that, like Griffin remembers like viscerally, you know
the difficulty and the danger of of that. And and
he's maybe done it, you know, days or weeks, he's
doing it for like five six years, Like that's not nothing,
And I think people just don't really think that's what
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
I just remember getting yelled at by the oysterman at
Sager's wedding for briefly putting my drink on the table
where he was shucking his oysters.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Oh you were going to get some oyster guts in
your uh, your drink. There he was.

Speaker 8 (01:28:13):
He was looking out for you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:14):
M M.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Probably share all right, And we'll end with sebas one
on one saying for wonderful BP, given the betrayals of
Platnir and Fetterman, should Progresses avoid ogre looking candidates.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
For a while. To me, he looks a little bit
more like the Lora Axe.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Like, yeah, but yeah, Shrek is out.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Shrek is out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Yeah, I guess that's gonna be an indication of it's
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Yeah, yes, it really is.

Speaker 7 (01:28:44):
It's not just Main that's gonna have a ripple effect
for all of these indeed startup candidates.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
So mm hmm okay, well with that, we are going
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