7/13/26: Trump Says US Will Take Over Hormuz, Freedom Fuel Stations, Lindsey Graham Dead

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Classic, A lot to get to you this morning. So
bombing continues between the US and Iran, and as of now,
no market moving truth has been announced, which is a
break from previous form.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
So we'll get into all of that.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Trump is touting these freedom fuel gas stations and there's
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with these things and who is behind it, So we
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(01:14):
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(03:24):
start with these latest round of strikes. Now there's actually
strikes that were happening as of literally just a few
hours ago, so we're kind of catching up to everything,
but let's start with this. This is from Sentcom as
of five pm today, this was yesterday. US Central Command
has began launching more strikes against Iran quote to continue
degrading their ability to attack civilian mariners and commercial ships

(03:45):
freely transiting the Strait of more Moves. The Commander in
Chief has directed the strikes to hold Iranian forces accountable. Noteworthy,
these are no longer quote self defense strikes. These are
just strikes, and of course that means that we have
continued to see a breakdown here in the memorand of
understanding and of the ceasefire. Generally, let's go to the
next one. This is also very important. This was the
fresh round of strikes, and these actually included images and

(04:09):
video of US assets that were taking flight from carriers,
from different missiles and other standoff munitions that are being
used here by the United States, presumably either a Tomahawk
missile or some other sort of projectile that's being launched
by the United States against Iranian assets all along the
Strait of Hormuz. What's noteworthy here is that this is

(04:30):
now no longer a battle of regime change. This is
entirely a war, both in terms of what the US
is striking, what Iran is striking directly at the Strait
of Horn Moves and its control. So here's what sent
Kam said in this video announcement. US forces hit approximately
one hundred and forty Iranian military targets with precision munitions.

(04:51):
Launch targets included missile and drone sides, naval capabilities, ammunition storage,
communication networks, and coastal surveillance location. So this follows tit
for tat strikes from the United from Iran against multiple
commercial ships that were transiting the Straight of horm Moves. Now,
when we say transiting, what they were doing is they

(05:12):
were using this route which is coordinated between the United
States government and the government of Oman. What this comes
down to is a misunderstanding or a different understanding of
what free passage to the Straight of Hormor Moves was
supposed to, say Crystal in that memorandum of understanding, Iran's
understanding was we will, and I believe the text even
says make our best efforts to coordinate free passage. What

(05:35):
they meant by that was you coordinate with us. All
traffic now comes through the Iranian government. The United States
took that as for the next sixty days, ships can
float freely. What they're trying to do is set up
an alternative route that bypasses any Iranian control, any Iranian communication,
to bypass any future ability of Iran to say that

(05:55):
they can charge tolls, environmental fees, whatever you want to
call it, and their ability to control the Strait. So
this is now a war for the Strait. There's no
longer regime change, not even Israel, which is involved here.
It is a war for the control of the Strait itself,
which of course was free and open on February twenty
eighth before the war was.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's right, and in a sense it makes sense that
the straight Ofform moves would be almost a more difficult
issue than even the nuclear issues, because the straight Ofform
moves now is Iran's key to power and Iran's key
to deterrence. It is de facto acting like the development
of a nuclear weapon would. And so I think the
MoU it would not surprise me if that language that

(06:32):
is now being interpreted in different ways by both sides
was kept intentionally vague because there is such a difference
of view on what needs to happen in the straight
of Horm moves.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't think that there.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is any specific, clearcut language that could potentially satisfy both sides.
So that's where we are at this point. Iran is
saying absolutely none. I think the US going into with
Trump going into the MoU is like, well, we'll keep
it vague and then we'll see what we can get
away with. And the Iranians are basically saying we're not

(07:03):
letting you get away with anything.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So until this is resolved.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
You are going to continue to have this escalation trap.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Robert Paipe vindicated once again here.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Until basically the US accepts that they have lost control
Destrait Hormus Aron is going to control it, and it
is going to dramatically increase both their revenue and their
power in the region and act as a very effective deterrent.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
So that's what this is all over. Right now.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
There are some preliminary reports that carg Island may have
been struck this morning and some of the oil infrastructure there.
We don't have that confirmed at this point. That would
be a dramatic escalation. And I want to go ahead
and play because I think this is very noteworthy, Like
what is the US plan here? Okay, We've already done
the bombing campaign. We've hit this, We've hit their that,
their bridges, their railway ways, we've hit their civilian infrastructure.

(07:52):
We've bombed a girls' school, We've done all of this stuff.
It didn't amount to a victory. So what are we
going to do that is going to be different. Let's
play eight be This is a former Sentcom commander who
is floating this idea of seizing carg Island with the
notion that, oh, well, if we do that, maybe we
can't hold it indefinitely, but we can use it as
some sort of leverage in these negotiations so we can

(08:13):
get more of what the US wants.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
We certainly have the capability to control the straight of
horror moves if the President chooses to follow that course
of action. Look, what he's been trying to do is
get to a diplomatic and a political solution here, which
I applaud and I think we should all want to
see as the final instate. Nonetheless, the fact of the
matter is the Iranians generally only respond to military force
and to extreme pressure. Look, we're not talking about regime

(08:40):
change here. What we're talking about is modifying the views
and actions of an extreme, hard, hard line regime. That
is possible. We have the capability to do that. That
capability is resident in the US military. Should the President
elect to employ it. That would include opening the Straight
of Horror Moves, maintaining the Strait of Horror Moves open,
and in fact seizing carg Island should we elect to

(09:02):
do that. And I would just say, as an aside,
that's something we should think about doing because possession of
Iranian soil would be a significant factor in future negotiations
with Iran. So all those options are on the table.
I'm not sure where we're going to go with this,
but I do know we have these capabilities.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
We have those capabilities where the President has made clear
he kind of just wants a he wants a deal here.
How do you explain to the lay person when the
President says we control the Strait of War moves, but
then Sentcom says military forces are positioned to ensure freedom
of navigation, which makes it sound it isn't exactly free
flowing traffic here.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
No, it's not right now because we have not deployed
all the capabilities that we have to open the strait.
We certainly can do that. It would require putting warships
up into narrow waters. Look, the US Navy doesn't love
to do that, but they're very good at it, and
if necessary, they can do it, and they can do
it well.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So with regard Sager to the ConTroll and straight of
her moves, he says, well, we'd have to put our
warships in narrow waters. Well, why haven't we wanted to
do that, because they're going to get it, hit get it.
Because you're putting people then at massive risk, not to
mention the equipment, but the people first and foremost, and
that could be a potential massive disaster. That's why it
has not been done. And in terms of this fantasy
with regard to carg Island, let's say that you're able

(10:23):
to seize it, which potentially they could, then you have
to hold it, and once again you have an occupying
force that become sitting ducks. That's why Trump has not
wanted to go forward with any of these options.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
But I think these are ideas.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's not coming out of nowhere that this guy is
floating this on a Sunday show. I think these are
ideas that are being contemplated right now and that no
one should be shocked if they pursue.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And in terms of where Trump's had, this is breaking
the literally just happened. Trump is right right live right
now on Fox and friends. Paying homage to Lindsey Graham,
he says, quote, we are taking over the straight afore moves.
So that's a direct quote there from the President. Now
we have heard that a million times. The other quotes.
Trump was asked about Iran rebuilding, he said, Iran has
no chance. We will probably run the straight up Hoore moves.

(11:08):
Iran didn't get anything from me, and the United States
will be reimbursed for its control over the Straight. Now, again,
we have no idea whether any of that will be
backed up by action, but we do know and this
we'll talk a lot about this with Lindsay Graham, is
that there is an entire infrastructure of very highly politically
effective operatives behind the scenes who are ready are willing
to color in the lines for what it actually means.

(11:30):
When Trump is in a mindset of let's bomb, let's bomb,
let's continue the war, and let's actually back up you
know these actions in these words that you're taking. Let's
put a three up here just to show everybody. These
are some images that came out from Iran Kesham Island,
which is also in the Persian Gulf. We could see
the smoke that was rising there that happened yesterday. Now

(11:52):
in terms of the Iranian response, let's go ahead and
see some of those. Let's put a six for example
up here on the screen. This is very noteworthy. The
Kuwaiti government put out a statement last night saying that
three northern land border centers in the country were subjected
to an attack. Additionally, one of the offshore drilling platforms,

(12:14):
which is affiliated with Kuwait's oil company in Kuwaiti Territorial Waters,
was targeted by a hostile drone, resulting in material damage
and the injury of one worker who is receiving medical care.
So that's noteworthy because they're targeting oil infrastructure again in
Gulf countries, which are of course allies protectorates here of
the United States. So that kind of shows you that

(12:35):
we're right back to the exchange of hostilities. The only
real change here is that Israel and Iran are not
exchanging any missiles or drones or any of that as
of right now. So that does show you though that
the israelis behind this. What they're all doing is they're
pushing hard to be able to re enter the war.
You can actually see some of that. Let's put a

(12:56):
four for example up here. On the screen. This was
a threat that was issued by Trump over the weekend.
He says, one thousand missiles are locked loaded aimed at
the Islamic Republic of Iran, with thousands more to immediately
follow should the government act on its threat pronounced in
many corners of the globe to assassinate or attempt to
assassinate the sitting president of the United States. In this case,

(13:16):
me orders have been given and the US military is ready,
willing and able for one year period of time, subject
to extension, to completely decimate and destroy all areas of Iran.
So this came after Israel apparently shared intelligence with the
United States intelligence that Iran wants to assassinate Trump. So
we're right back. Remember this was a very important rhetorical

(13:40):
talking point for Lindsay Graham for Bibnat Yahoo in the
original launching of the war, they claimed that Iran was
behind these cockamami assassination plots to target Trump, and this
time around they're saying again, Hey, you actually are being
targeted right now by the Iranians. They want to kill you.
There's actually relevant to our later piece on subpoenas, which
involves air force and why Trump was forced apparently to

(14:02):
change planes because the current plane that was given by
the Nation of Katar apparently doesn't have the right defensive capabilities.
But the point remains whether any of this is real
or not, which I highly doubt. There's why would they
do that, They're going to assassinate Trump. It's like, okay,
it's your entire country's gonna get nuked to like, why
would you potentially want that? Whenever you control the straight
you basically run. You know, you're in a tit for tap,
but everything is really on your side. Regardless, Israel has

(14:26):
been pushing that. That puts something in Trump's mind. This
enables this Fox News industrial complex and others were always
very upset about the deal. Jd Vance is like missing
in action. Haven't seen them on TV in three weeks.
We all know why? Yeah, we know why. Right, nobody's
talking to Geneva, so you could see where this stuff
starts to lead.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Can I tell you also what I know with people,
I feel the same way that it's like the same
back to the rodeo every single weekend, same dynamics. Okay,
here we go bombing again. Then they're on Monday, they're talking,
and then they're back to the beast deal. And it
seems like you know, Lucy with the food football, We're
just repeating this over and over this week.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
We have not gotten that.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Monday morning, Hey guys, it's all good, you know, put bygones,
be bygones. We're close to a piece deal. We haven't
gotten that. Instead, we have Trump this morning continued to bluster.
We have stock market you know, futures are are down,
oil prices going up. So that is a significant break
in the pattern that we have been seeing. And whether

(15:21):
it was you know, Trump being convinced about this new
you know, Israeli lies about his potential assassination, whether it's
Iran forcefully asserting its control over the Strait of Horn
moves and it becoming clear that this is an irreconcilable
difference that the US and Iran have at this point.
For whatever reason, the pattern is not holding. And that's
why I think everyone should be more concerned this morning

(15:44):
that we could see some sort of really significant dramatic
escalation than we have in the past, something like an
attempt to seize carg Island, something like potentially bringing warships in,
you know, closer in and making them easier targets for
the Iranians to hit. And then you know, if you
have a bunch of dead American sailors, God only knows
what that means for the war going for.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And you know, it's very easy to just say, okay,
we're moving. Everyone did that with Ukraine. It's been going
on for five years. Snooze right, oh it's happening. Well, actually,
the war is more dangerous now than ever before, literally
than ever before. And that's the problem. People fall asleep
and then they wake up when something big really is happening,
and all the ingredients are there. So right now, actually
this morning, Saudi Arabia apparently is bombing Yemen again. All right,

(16:26):
and so the Houthis they largely stayed out of the
entire exchange. But now if the United States backing Saudi
Arabia is going to start bombing the hoo Thies, that's
a real problem because we're talking about the bab Am
Mandab strait, we're talking about the alternative you know, access
of oil. And just this morning, you know, the Hoothis
put out this statement in a flagrant and a brazen

(16:49):
act of aggression, the criminal Saudi enemy has targeted Sana
International airport, thereby ending the de escalation phase and bearing
the consequences of its aggression. We affirm that this aggression
will not pass without response and without punishment. So the
Saudist feel emboldened. Golf countries were bombing Iran recently. We
still don't even know which one. It was all done
in secret. Nobody really confirmed any of that. Well here,

(17:11):
if the Saudis are entering again in the war in Yemen,
well then Yemen and the hoo these no longer have
the incentive to stay out of it. There was an
assumption of money, a lot of money exchanged hands to
keep that straight open while the main war was going on.
Well what if that goes and gets closed. Now you
have a real catastrophe situation. And they of course could
fire against Israel, which they have previously in the past. Finally,

(17:33):
let's just put a eight up here on the screen.
From Iran's strategy. We've extensively described it. But the Financial
Times did a very good job here and they did
some reporting inside the regime. What they say is Iran
Betts Trump will blink first at the end of the day.
As we have heard it all before, so have they.
They have it all. You know, they've heard it all
and they actually have the stakes. So inside of their

(17:53):
thinking they say that they're gambling. Their aim is self preservation.
They cannot allow the even in you know, by inches
of their control, of their perceived control over the Strait
of Hormuz, and they basically think, we have to fight
to the teeth. In their view, they beat the United States,
the regime remains, it survives, is completely in power, and

(18:14):
as a result, to ensure not only regime survival but
their prosperity in the future, they have to be able
to control the strait. They think Trump will blink. I
don't think that's a bad bet necessarily, but we also
know what the structure is here in Washington where think
about the amount of political capital he expended for the
initial memorandum of understanding and the Neo kan freak out,
which are the last people who really still love Trump. Well,

(18:37):
now you know they showed and demonstrated their ability to
exert their influence, their political power. You know, they lit
him up on Fox News. The entire industrial complex went
after him. They viciously attacked the vice president. You know,
they set up everything for that, and now that he's
back potentially in their good graces, they're going to shower
him in the tongue bath, which he so desperately wants,

(18:58):
and it could very easily work. Strategy may not be bad,
but you know, it assumes you're dealing with the rational
actor and that the incentives are not equal, because with Trump,
the oil market is a serious incentive, but the neocons
are a real incentive too. Yeah, that's what worries me
more than anything.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
No, absolutely very difficult to predict what comes next. And
you know it's always been a question too of whether
he could handle the humiliation of having to effectively accept
an American defeat at the hands of Iran and accept
what would be required, which the big thing here is
allowing them to effectively control the straight or four moves
and have this increased power in the region, total change

(19:35):
in terms of you know, our ability to project force
throughout the region, you know, our basing strategy. There, all
of that being up and there can he actually accept that?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Can will his his base?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Which Zuckers right, I mean sort of ironic given the
way Trump positioned himself as the anti war candidate and
against the Iraq war. If we go back to twenty
sixteen that the last bastion of his strong support now
are the very neocons who hated him at the ging.
Lindsey Graham will talk about that in a bit, the
way that so many of them have shifted and their
orientation towards him as he's done the things.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That they have wanted him to do.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
But in any case, can you take that ego hit
And the Iranians are looking at the fact that, you know,
our strategic patrol and reserve continues to dwindle. It is
not being refilled during this time, and that has really
been an important buffer for us in terms of gas prices.
Gas prices are high, they could be higher, So you know,
I think the Iranians are looking at that.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
And the last thing I'll.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Say is at the Supreme Leaders the Ietola's funeral, you
could visually see how much hardline sentiment there is within Iran.
So we have to remember that it's not just Americans
who have domestic political considerations. The Iranians do too, and
they had to expend a lot of political capital in
order to move forward negotiations and accept this memo of

(20:52):
understanding or call. The new Supreme Leader said basically like,
this isn't my thing, but I'm going to trust my
guys and we'll see where this goes. That was an
indication he's trying to see, Okay, which way is this
going to play out? And what is public sentiment going
to support. So both in terms of the government in
terms of the people, you have, you know, significant sentiment
in favor of going back to war and that we

(21:12):
didn't do enough and we didn't cause enough pain for
the Israelis and the American Empire for us to be
able to really secure our position and make sure that
we don't end up here again.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
So that is also it is the height of American arrogance.
Is we always assume we're the only ones with domestic politics. Yes.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Iatola literally was like, I don't know about this,
but Gallibov tells me it's good, so I'll allow him.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, And you're like, what do you think that means?
You know, you can read he doesn't take a genius
to figure it out. If they seriously went out on
a limb. A lot of these you know, non hardliners,
but even they themselves, if you look at their rhetoric,
they have to appease the IRGC. I mean, I don't
think it's false that there is a power struggle inside
of Iran, but the actions make it clear. Every time

(21:56):
that the negotiators try to throw the IRGC under the bus,
they're like, oh, it was just a few commanders who
fired into the straight they fire again. Nobody is constraining them.
You can, by the way, thank America for that, because
the last person who could actually restrain them was the
previous Iatola, who's not dead, who is the actual cautious,
you know, leader of Iran who did no war nor
peace strategy. Now you actually have people inside the regime

(22:18):
who either can't be restrained or potentially the current Iatola,
whose own father was murdered, who can just say okay, go,
let's go, and he's not going to do anything to
restrain them. So we have no idea how it's going
to happen. And let's get, as you said, to the
Freedom Fuel and the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which remains a
serious problem and gas still very stubbornly high here in

(22:38):
the United States.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So Whitehouse recently put out this video touting a chain
of quote unquote Freedom Fuel gas stations which are offering
gas prices much lower than the rest of the market.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Let's go ahead and take a look at this video.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
I save money. I had to go back and they
get my change. I thought gas was more space, but
it's not, so thanks chump, saving me some money.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
We're here at the first Freedom Fueled Network gas station
right here in Philadelphia, leading the charge to lower gas
prices three dollars and then forty seven cents. That's for
our forty seventh President, Resident Donald J.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Trump.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
The price of gas here is fifty cents lower than
the Pennsylvania average gas price. The parts of July, gas
prices are coming down, which is great.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
Tell them very happy about the cheap gas prices.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Apter fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Hopefully everyone has a great holiday, super punk the gas
prices are lowered.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
I'm just grateful right now. We're in a difficult time
in this world, but it's nice to see some stability
that we can enjoy.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
Definitely appreciate the lower gas.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
Oh yeah, and I saw it. I thought it was
a fake news, but I'm glad it's true. I definitely
couldn't leave my eyes and I just won't pass. I'm
actually taking a trip down the shore, so I wasn't
even gonna come and get the gag, but I'm glad
I did. Now they just saved me a lot of money.
Thanks a lot, chump. Let's keep going with your doing,
going a good job.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Thank you, thank you for helping our country.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's President Donald J.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
Trump leading the charge the lower gas prices right here
at Freedom Fueled Network gas stations.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay, so this went out from an official White House account,
and there's a lot to be this interesting about this.
I mean, first of all, I think soccer the politics
of it are very interesting. It exposes the fact they
see this as a major problem, like they needed to
do something. Put out some propaganda like we're bringing prices down, which,
by the way, three forty seven forty seven, of course,
an honor of our forty seventh president three pickup. Oh

(24:31):
you didn't pick up on of course, Yes, although apparently
some of the stations have already up their price a
little bit to like three fifty something according to the
latest reporting, but in any case, it was originally three
dollars forty seven cents. It's very mysterious what is going
on here? Put the New York Times reporting up on
the screen, because the White House claims they don't have

(24:53):
anything to do with this, that they're just celebrating this.
Whoever is behind this chain of like twenty five gas
stations that have lowered the price to such a point
that they are likely losing money on you know, for
every car that fills up there, they're actually losing money
at this price because of what the wholesale price for

(25:13):
oil is at this point. So they say Trump is
promising freedom fuel for three dollars and forty seven cents
a gallon. Who is behind it? These are different gas
stations that had a bunch of different branding that are
now in this Freedom Fuel Network umbrella.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
A Delaware corporation was just set.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Up for this freedom Fuel network in the past couple
of weeks. The funders, investors, whoever's behind this are being
kept secret, so no one really knows what is going
on here.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Now, it does appear that there is.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
An asset manager that owns at least some significant number
or did own potentially still does own some significant number
of these gas stations, and it is an asset manager
that Trump just happens to have millions of dollars of
investments in. So you have that tie in here. Potentially
you know, corrupt angle as well, but certainly an indication

(26:09):
that they realize this gas price thing is a major
major problem for them and they're despert to score any
kind of a propaganda win on that front.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, it's very interesting. This put B three up here.
So Politico also did the investigation like who is paying
for this? And nobody can really figure it out who's
footing the bill because I remember we're talking about almost
a fifty cent cut. And you may even ask like, okay,
so in the gas market, how come there's no race
to price And it's like because they run on a
very standard margin. The way that it all works, it

(26:39):
doesn't really enable you to do this. That's why this
is so extraordinary. And somebody out there is got this
twenty five stations which are only in southeastern Pennsylvania and
South Jersey. I think that that is a very targeted place.
Southeastern Pa is like the definition of swing country. That's
exactly where you had the classic like, oh, I'm a

(27:00):
Trump Biden Trump voter who exists and that's why it
appears to be concentrated in this region. What they say
is they quote, we've had members who have this is
like according to the New Jersey Energy Markets Group, we
had members who have reached out to ask what it is.
I have not been able to find any answers, the
executive director of their own Energy Markets Group. So, as

(27:22):
you said, it's a Delaware company that was formed on
June twenty third, that's a week before it was promoted.
The White House won't name who it is, describing it
as a private company. The officials said there is no
defined timeline for how long these discounts will be offered.
They will refuse to connect representatives of Freedom Fueld network
with Politico Freedom Fuel. They just say, is a patriotic

(27:43):
company doing a good thing for drivers. I'm sure that's
all it is. And as you said, this sketchy affiliate
something called Blue Owl, a New York based asset company.
Trump has sold millions of dollars in Blue Owl stock
through its subsidiaries. Blue Owl owns hundreds of gas stations
operated by a Georgia based gas supplier and retailer called

(28:05):
Mountain Express Oil, but it declared bankruptcy in twenty twenty
three and declined to expand nationwide. So nobody knows anything
about Blue Owl. The White House claims blue Owl has
nothing to do with Freedom Fuel, but it is one
of those stations which did previously hold a host to

(28:26):
an American Trump White House official at an unveiling ceremony
last Friday. So we could start to put some of
the pieces together here.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And Trump still has he sold some blue Owl stock
last year. He still has millions of dollars of blue
Owl holdings. They seem to be Trump friendly. It says
at least seven of these stations that are now in
the Freedom Fuel network are owned by affiliates of Blue Owl,
so that seems to be the most likely thing here.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
My own theory, and this is just a theory, is
that this is some Trump aligned billionaire talk to them,
they hatch this idea. Whoever this person is that is
fronting the cash that would be required to sustain these losses,
because that is what's going on here. They're definitely selling
this fuel at a loss at this point once some
other favor from Trump or just wants to be in

(29:15):
as good graces in general. And so this is a
you know, you scratch my back, I'll scratch or as
sort of the situation, as most things in the Trump
White House are at this point.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So that's the best I can figure.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
But you know, obviously in terms of the impact on
gas prices nationwide, it is going to be nil. I
don't know how long whoever is funding this is going
to be willing to put up with these losses. As
I mentioned before, some of the gas stations have already
increased their prices, and one theory was, well, you know,
sometimes if you have like at the larger gases like
huah Wah or Sheets, where you have a large offering,

(29:49):
you know, they're selling sandwiches and all sorts of other
stuff inside, you can lower the gas prices and you
can sustain a loss because what you're really making the
money on is then people going inside and buying a
sandwich and getting their cough be in whatever. But a
lot of these stations are just you know, the type
that you would see in neighborhoods where it's they don't
really even have a store, and they sell like a few
candy bars effectively in some gatorades or some Monster Energy drinks,

(30:12):
but not a large convenience station. So it wouldn't make
sense from an economic perspective to sell the fuel a
loss just to bring people into the convenience store.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
The majority of them are not operating on that model,
so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
There's also theoretically in New Jersey there's actually a law
against selling under the market price, because then, you know what,
you don't want a big station coming in and undercutting
all of the local retailers and being able to sustain
that long enough to push all of them out of business.
So that could be enforced at some point. But in
any case, very interesting, very mysterious, very noteworthy to me

(30:47):
that Trump is pushing this, and the White House is
pushing this from official White House.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Imagine celebrating three fifty a gallon, like, I'm sorry, that's crazy.
That's the other I already have it eighty a gallon,
like it was cheap. Can we put b five up
here just to show people like gas is still three
eighty seven a gallon? Nationally still five dollars and thirty
eight cents a gallon in California, all of those Red states,
it's either four or five dollars a gallon. All when

(31:12):
I say read like in terms of the graphic if
you're just listening, which is all on the West Coast,
in addition to New York, and to Illinois, where gas
all remains above four dollars a gallon. Nationally, the cheapest,
some of the cheapest gas in the country is in
Texas three forty two. It still not cheap, right, So
they're barely selling it in Pennsylvania for slightly below what
are slightly around what it is sold in Texas, and

(31:33):
in Pennsylvania the price person in the entire state the
average price is three ninety six accounts, so still right
around four dollars. What is that four or five months
now of almost four dollars a gallon gasoline? That's incredibly
detrimental to the overall pocketbook lasting on New Jersey, have
you experienced this where they don't let you pump your
own gas? So look, I'm usually you know, on the

(31:55):
on the side of small business and all that, but
I can't stand that. I got to be honest, It's like,
it's like New Jersey and Oregon the only two states
where they make you do it. And I'm like, this
is madness. I just let people pump their own pass and.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
When people do things for me that, I'm.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I totally agree. It's weird. Yeah, it's third world behavior,
that's what they do. In India because everybody needs a job,
you know. It's like that's what they do, which is fine.
They have overpopulation problem over there. But this is New Jersey, Like,
I don't need somebody to pump my own gap. I
haven't electric cars. It don't matter anymore. I did recently
stop in New Jersey and I was like walking through
the parking lot and there's all those you know, those

(32:30):
attendants just standing there. I'm like, what do you guys
do all day? Just pump gas? Like this is crazy anyway,
my personal soap.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Last thing here, just this new amount to the broader
geopolitical perspective. Put before Up on the screen, you can
see the Strategic Petroleum Reserve still at very very low levels,
so we have not been able to refill it to
the extent that would be necessary to provide a large buffer.
This is the sort of thing that the Iranians will
be paying close close attention to, because that is their

(32:58):
whole bet is that you know, the gas prices are
a big problem, that the oil market is a major
pain point for the US, for the global economy, and
we've been able to buffer the pain for the American
consumer somewhat through the strategic patrol and reserve, and also
by the way through China just randomly deciding that they're

(33:18):
going to import a lot less oil and we don't
know why, and we don't know how long that will last.
So that's a big question mark that hangs over this
whole thing, whether they will continue bailing us out the
way that they have effectively been doing. But that is
when the Iranians, you know, when we talk about oh,
they think Trump will bring blink first. They think that
the American you know, consumer pain and the global economic

(33:39):
pain will force concessions from the American side. This is
what they're looking at, and so this is an indication
that their logic has a lot to it, that Trump
sees this as a major, major political issue heading into
the midterm.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
This is where I wonder if the Iranians made a
big mistake because you know, Jay kind of let the game,
you can let the cut of the bag interview when
he was like, look, we're just going to take these
few months to you know, restock terms. Well, he's kind
of right. I mean, in terms of the spr we
haven't done it. It would be a huge bowl signal
for the price of oil. If the government had to
start refilling. But I would not put it past the

(34:15):
Trump administration just drain the spr as far as it
could possibly go, like the minimum to it. I know
they're at minimum operating levels, but like you know, that's
a guidance. I think they would just keep draining it, honestly,
because what are they going to do. They're going to
keep to buy oil at four dollars a gallon to refill.
It would be a disaster. I mean, there'd be billions
and billion, hundreds of billions of dollars is but basically
what it would cost it would be insane, and he would.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
And it would cost gas prices to go up, of course,
because obviously you're adding you're adding gemantic customer to the Yeah, Tomandpool,
I don't know. I mean, I'm no expert on.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
The Strategic Patrolling Reserve, but what I've been reading is
that when you get down to it, there's a theory
of what the minimum operating as is. But yeah, it's
not like it's really been tested. But you start to
have some of the you know, the stuff you're getting
at the bottom, kind of like the dregs. It's mixed
in with other things. The salt caverns that it's stored in.
If you don't have sufficient pressure, they can start to collapse.

(35:07):
So it becomes a real question mark the closer you
get to that minimum operating level, because it could be
that you could draw down even.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Further than that.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It could be that they're wrong and you actually can't
draw down even that much without causing the NATO.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
What scares for getting down to that, Well, scares me
the most is not it run, It's something else? Is that.
That's that's why it exists. That's why you don't drain it,
Like is it because you just don't know? Like full blown?
I mean, who knows. Look at Russia. Russia stopped exporting
diesel all of a sudden. It's like, oh now we
got diesel prices that are going to go up. So
Ukraine hits one wrong thing and boom, you know, a
bunch of stuff goes offline. China time one those that's

(35:41):
the predictables to North Korea, like who, no one has
any idea where like wherever the rest of the oil.
It's what if China's spr is now very low they've
been you know, using all their own supply. Tomorrow they're like, okay,
we have to buy again. I mean, all of a sudden,
you know, you go buy fifty a gallon or something.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Saudi striking in Yemen with the hooties say, you know what,
we're going to close the Babo man dab straight.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And anything can happen. It could come from anywhere around
the world. I mean, and it could even be a
natural disaster, right like some pipeline or somewhere there's an
earthquake and it takes a hit like this is why
the thing exists in the first place. And that is
when you should panic, because then you've got no slack
and you're looking at seven eight dollars.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
We're here, we're in hurricane season, all of those refineries
on the Gulf coast, all of that is and this
is the thing with Trump that we've talked about many
times before, is all of these problems are of his
own making. He has been actually tremendously lucky in terms
of not having a lot of like major outside forces
that have created crises. All the crises are just things

(36:40):
that he decided himself to do.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And all we know from history is something is going
to happen like Katrina happened. It just happened, right, and
then it becomes about your management Ukraine, it happened to Biden,
Covid happened to Trump like you have no you have
no control. And so when you create a crisis of
your own making and then an external crisis hit, that's
where if you look at the history books and things,

(37:03):
that's when things start to get into collapse territory and
then it becomes point fingers, whose problem is this? Already
Trump is already a very low approval ratings, and that's
when you have to start doing crazy shit like export
bands and you know, all kinds of absolute you know,
government takeovers of the entire industry. And if you start,
when you start to get to that, you wreck the
market for all time in the future, and it becomes

(37:26):
incredibly dangerous. This is literally why we have the SPR
in the first place, is to make sure we don't
have some crazy Middle Eastern shock that ends up what
was it like alternative license plate? Oh, if your number
ends an odd, you can fill up today. This is
a nightmare. That's why so many people were so upset
by it. There you go, all right, let's get to
Lindsay Graham. Okay, turning now to Senator Lindsey Graham. Let's

(37:49):
go ahead and start with this. Put it up here
on the screen, his office announced early on Sunday morning.
A statement from the office of Senator Graham on the
evening of Saturday, July elevens or Lindsay Graham passed away
from a brief in a sudden illness. Senator Graham's family
appreciates prayers at this time as for privacy during this
incredibly difficult period. A follow up from Senator Graham's office

(38:12):
indicates that he died from an aortic dissection after struggling
with a cardiovascular disease. So he was seventy one years
old and suffered a massive heart attack, which my medical
friends tell me is, you know, it's not unsurvivable, but
it's very, very difficult to survive.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So obviously what I saw is if you aren't in
a hospital, very unlikely you're going to make it.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Exactly. It's obviously, you know, bad situation, indicative aging, diet, etcetera.
Should do some you know, your own research. You know,
just in terms of seventy one years old, it seems young,
but if you don't take care of yourself, this is
the type of things that can happen. But bigger picture,
obviously what has done is kind of thrown a wrench
into domestic and international politics. Lindsey Graham, in my opinion,

(38:58):
was one of the most effective political operators in Washington.
I am purely describing this from a analytical level. I
don't really appreciate how good he was at his job,
but you do have to acknowledge that on his departure
in the middle of what was his heyday, there's no
there's no denying that. And I think, you know, if
we were to look and analyze his political entrepreneurship, his opportunism,

(39:22):
what exactly and how he was able to move from
twenty sixteen to twenty twenty six to probably become a
genuine whisperer to Donald Trump, That in and of itself
is the story I think of his life and of
his entire legacy really, which ultimately I mean Senator Graham
was probably the most authentic Neocon in Washington. A lot

(39:42):
of people are showing he wasn't rich, He didn't really
have a lot of money. He was one of the
poorest members of the United States Senate. He did it
for the love of the game, and I mean I
guess there's some respect in that. But what you can
see from his political career cheering on the Iraq War
John McCain is he never wavered on what he wanted.

(40:03):
But what he did is he would utilize the political system,
the wins, whatever happened to be convenient within the GOP.
Very often he would back them up on a few
domestic things to give himself some credibility, not credibility, but
some space maneuver here. On foreign policy, he never wavered
on his foreign policy views. He did a bear Hag
strategy with Donald Trump, and ultimately he won. He is

(40:26):
the person who moved Donald Trump to where he wanted
to be, which is remarkable considering where things actually started.
Here's where they were. Lindsey Graham twenty sixteen or twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, talking about Donald Trump. Let's take a listen.
What is your reaction to hearing what Donald Trump says?
And disgusted?

Speaker 10 (40:42):
He's a jackass, he's becoming a jackass, and he shouldn't
be commander in chief. We think that he's unfit for office,
that he would be a terrible commander in chief. He
doesn't have the temperament or judgment.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
What I think he's doing is being a demagogue. Here's
what I think.

Speaker 10 (40:59):
I think Donald Trump as a political car wreck, and
people slow down and look at the wreck, but they
eventually move on. At the end of the day, he
would be the most flawed nominee in the history of
the Republican Party. I think he's a wrecking ball for
the future of the Republican Party.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I think he's a kook. So that's twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
In fact, e let's put C three up here, his
infamous tweet, if we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed
and we will deserve it. That was May third, twenty sixteen. Eventually,
he of course becomes not only one of Trump's biggest defenders,
but one of his greatest allies in the United States Senate.
And my friend Sara Mamari, let's put this up here

(41:37):
on the screen he wrote, and I summarized some of
this already. The triumph of Lindsay Graham. What he talks about,
as popular should learn from the late centaer is his
extraordinary political ability. Again, is he never compromised on Iran,
on Iraq, on Ukraine, on anything that was near and
dear to his neo conservative heart. But what he did
is within the system, is that he would grab Donald Trump.

(41:58):
He would wrap himself in the veneer of it. He would,
let's say, like things like the Save America Act. Lindsay
knew it was never going to pass and he didn't care.
But what he decided to do is become one of
the chief proponents for the bill in Congress because he
knew it would give him credibility with Trump. He was
a major Cavanaugh defender. For example, he would defend Donald Trump,

(42:18):
let's say, on impeachment or various other things. So he
would back Trump on Trump on domestic political things which
he didn't particularly care about. He would never compromise though,
on immigration or on a few of these other things
which were very near and dear to his heart. And
then at the same time he would constantly use his
rhetoric and his closeness with Trump number one to get

(42:39):
Trump to endorse him. But number two is he's always
whispering in his ear. He was like an evil genius.
Is he would say things. Apparently his most common line
to Trump was, well that's something Obama would do, mister president,
whatever came to it, run or you know on Russia.
He was always using that ability to channel to Trump.
And you know, he didn't have a family. This is
literally all he actually cared about is he was always

(42:59):
golf with Trump. He's only mar Lago. He's always calling
him on the phone late at night. It seems actually
that Trump is the very last person who we spoke
to before he died, and in which he was advocating
for more war with Iran. Yeah, which is kind of incredible.
So that is ultimately I mean, you know, again, it's
not an endorsement whatsoever. It's just that there's no there's
no even thinking about Lindsay Graham without acknowledging he died

(43:23):
at the peak of his powers, which is a remarkable
story for a person like Trump who ran against Lindsey Graham,
who didn't want allegedly his own vice president. Others were
his biggest opponents, supposedly in the United States Senate. But
this was Lindsay's time.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
At the peak of his power, but also at a
time when he got what he wanted with the Iran
war and also got to see what a disaster that
policy was. Because you're right, I think he was ideologically
committed neo con I saw a Twitter joke that was like,
you know, somebody in Masada right now the leading two

(44:01):
terabytes of compromont that they have. Maybe they had it,
but no, he was in it for he was committed.
And you see all of everyone from Netna down to
Ben Gevie lamenting the loss of this great friend to Israel,
which I think is absolutely true.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
You know, this is a man.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Who supported and pushed for the Iraq war, saw what
a disaster that was. I still don't think that he
would say it was the wrong thing to do. He
never never learned from how many how much of a
disaster the foreign policy that he loved and that he
advocated for, how consistently disastrous it was for the world,

(44:38):
first and foremost for the countries that we were attacking,
but also for the US. And that has never been
more abundantly clear than right now, where we got our
ass kicked by a middle rate power that we'd had
sanctioned for decades, who now is a regional hedgemon thanks
to the very policy that Lindsey Graham pushed, hoping to
project American and power and have more say over the

(45:03):
Middle East.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
So, in spite of.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
All of the facts, and all of the pain and
all of the destruction. He never took that in. He
never adjusted one iota to the reality. And so there's
a kind of an incredible Fox clip coming around, which
is there going around which they're talking about Lindsey Graham
and his legacy blah blah blah, and they have to

(45:25):
interrupt that to announce new bombings.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Of Irun Noah could not.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Be more appropriate for who this man was, what his
ideological project was, and how even by his own conception
of like pursuing American exceptionalist and power in the world,
it was an utter and complete disaster. Let's put C
six up on the screen because it has some pretty
remarkable quotes here about the you know, the final hours

(45:51):
for Lindsay Graham. It says a person who spoke with
Graham shortly afterwards said the Center, complaining he was feeling unwell.
This is after he had just gotten back from this
trip to you where he was touring a drone factory.
I think the last photo of him alive of of
him in Ukraine holding this drone. When the person urged
him to seek medical attention, immediately said he would do
it after his Sunday morning appearance on NBC's Meet the Press.

(46:14):
He then joked, I can't die now. I still need
to do the Russia sanctions, get Iron sorted out, and
do Israeli Saudi normalization. And so we focused a lot,
obviously with Graham pushing for the Iran war and being
able to be, you know, part of this successful propaganda

(46:34):
effort to push Trump in that direction. All of the
ways that he you know, endeared himself to Trump and
going on golf trips with him and backing.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Him up at key moments, etc. Paying off.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
But we don't talk enough too about how probably influentially
he's been on the Ukraine policy as well, where Trump
during the campaign very skeptical, really wanting to cut some
sort of deal and get out of this thing. Well,
we're not out of this thing, you know, continues in
the direction that Lindsey Graham would want it to go.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
With Trump even acknowledged that on CNN Live reacting. Let's
take a listen c five.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Well, we disagreed a little bit, but overall, you know,
I'm a big Israel person. He was certainly that I
wanted to see the war with Ukraine, and very quickly
I think he was more into you know, keeping it going. Frankly,
he was very very miliant having to do with that.

(47:26):
But I was from the standpoint of twenty five thousand
people dying every month. I didn't like that, and he
was very much He was a very strong military person,
so am I. But I think we used it a
little bit differently. We probably had a little bit of
a different attitude, but we got along on it. Essentially
we agreed, and essentially we agreed in almost everything.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And to the point about Graham's influence, guess what, Trump
greenlit those Ukrainian deep strikes into Russia. That's why Lindsay
was over there. That was literally his dying thing. His
last thing that he did was go to Ukraine to
assure them that he was going to convince Trump to
allow more deep strikes into Russia. You can support that,
not support that. You cannot say at the very least
that he wasn't incredibly influential in terms of the policy

(48:11):
which Trump originally said. And to your point, I mean, yeah,
I always find it hard. You know, when somebody dies,
especially you don't like someone, It's like, okay, how do
you handle this? You're not wrong, But the story of Washington.
For my lifetime has been that the neo cons led
the United States into the most disastrous war in American history,
only to then have a rising tide an election of

(48:33):
a candidate and a president who said explicitly that war
was a disaster, who somehow then topped that by launching
the United States into a war which is also as disastrous,
potentially even more so strategically than the current war that
we're in right now. How did that happen? He is
a central character ultimately to that story. Yeah, I mean,
it's like my entire feed after he died, Zelenski, bb Ben, givey,

(48:57):
I think we have some that C nine. Let's put
the up him. He got you know, Ben Gavier, you
got Zelenski, you got a pack, you got you know,
all of these, in my opinion, odious characters in American
politics and American influence. And meanwhile, it's like every European
leader that ever lived is like, wow, you know, the
chairman of Germany or whatever. It's like, Oh, we're gonna

(49:18):
miss Lindsay. I'm like, anybody from South Carolina, I'm gonna
miss this guy. I'm like, it's pretty obvious where his
entire interests and focus was. I don't think he particularly
cared about his own state. I really genuinely think he
saw his legacy as protecting whatever he saw as you know,
as Europe or Israel or you know whatever, all these places,
like deeply committed to this worldview, which despite Libya, despite

(49:41):
a Rock, despite Syria, despite any of these places, his
always his excuse was we didn't go far enough. That's
what it always came down to with him. And I
mean he got what he wanted, as you said, just
like we did after Iraq. If anything, his real project
today was continuing to push us even more so to
where we are. And you know, you could say, oh,
his death is a major blow to the neo conservatives.

(50:03):
I just agree. Actually, I think he will be used
as a martyr. In this current moment. Trump is processing
his death, you know, I think in the most Trumpian way.
Don't we have that thought of him going after him
a little bit? Yeah, let's take a listen to C
fifteen of Donald Trump kind of trashing him a little bit.

(50:24):
Actually this morning on Fox and Friends.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
He was totally against me. I mean, he was fighting me,
he said. He used me as the example because I
was leading in the polls by a lot, and he said,
I'll get you in South Carolina. I'm going to get
you to South Carolina. That didn't work out too well.
I joke about it and it was like it was amazing. Actually, well,
the whole thing was amazing. Hey, the whole career was amazing.

(50:47):
But Lindsay was a big part of it. Because once
that ended, he'd left the Raise, and once that ended,
I became really good friends with him.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Right, So, once that ended, I became very good friends
with him. But again to just talk here about Trump
about Lindsey. You know, Trump became the Lindsay Graham president
in a lot of ways. He really did. And I
mean it's their most remarkable political story I think in
maybe not ever, but in modern history for sure, in

(51:17):
terms of how you get elected and then what you
end up doing. And actually Trump gave us a very
good preview. Do we have that image of Donald Trump
that he posted on Trump True Social this morning where
he said, so sad President DJT. Here is Lindsay Graham,
either at Bedminster or at mar Lago, who is in
a polo shirt, wearing a Make Iran Great Again hat

(51:38):
and with a piece of cardboard that seems to be
from Wikipedia where it shows Trump and it says acting
President of Venezuela that he obviously like think about the
mechanics here. He had to get a custom make Iran
great Again hat. He had to either go or to staff,
had to go to Kinko's and create this mohotoshop image.

(51:59):
And all of this is playing at some sort of
luncheon or whatever he's doing here at Marlago. This is
an insight into how he was able to influence Donald
Trump and he won. He used the venice, of course,
cheered on the Venezuela thing, cheered on make it Ron
great again. That is how he ended up winning this
entire presidency.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I mean, Rubio is a very similar figure, another opponent
of Trump, you know, aggressively, they were like challenging each
other based on their manhood, size and whatever and the
primary and now here he is sectuary of state and
got what he wanted with Venezuela, and it's very much yeah,
I might be very likely to get what he wants
with regard to Cuba. All it required was for them

(52:35):
to abandon any other principle that they ever had in
terms of like moral character.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Integrity and suck up to this.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Guy and both of them for completely odious ends that
they were pursuing. You know, I want to play C eight,
which just a reminder of how like it's I appreciate
Soccers and Allison, I think is true of how effective
he was in getting what he wanted from Trump and
persuading Trump to pursue this hardline neo coon path. I

(53:02):
think it's also worth, you know, judging the nature of
that political project. And so Blue Georgia put together a
compilation of some of the utterly disgusting and you know,
sociopathic things that Lindsey Graham has said about his own
ideology and the ends that he was pursuing.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Let's take a listen to that.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
America first is to kill people who wish us ill.
I feel good about the Republican Party. We're killing all
the right people, and we're cutting your Texas. We've run
out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs in
World War Two. You just wait to see what comes
in the next two weeks. We're gonna blow the hell
out of these people. We're in a religious war here.
I am with Israel. Do whatever the hell you have

(53:44):
to do to defend yourself.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Level of the place.

Speaker 10 (53:46):
Why is it okay for America to not to to
drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end
their existential threat war?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Why was it okay for us to do that?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I thought it was okay to Israel do whatever you
have to do.

Speaker 10 (54:00):
To survive as a Jewish state.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Aron's going to have a choice in two to three weeks.

Speaker 10 (54:05):
You either do a deal where you get out of
the business you're in, or We're going to blow your
stuff up. Our friends in Israel surrounded by people that
want to kill them, destroy them, a second Holocaust in
the making. What is the proportional response to people want
to kill.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
You and your family.

Speaker 10 (54:21):
They're running out of ammunition in Israel. We have to
help our friends. I go back to South Carolina. I'm
asking them to send their sons and daughters over to
the Mid East to our friends in Israel.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
God bless you.

Speaker 10 (54:32):
I'm with you in every way. To all the anti Seminites,
to all the isolationists, forget it. I'm not with you.
I'm with Israel. I will be with Israel to our
dying day. There's no better partner on the planet.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Than Israel. God Bless is right. We should move all
our stuff to Israel.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Oh, he didn't lie. He was with Israel till his
dying day.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
In this past year, he's been back and forth to
Ukraine and Israel, probably spending more time in this country
than he has been in South Carolina. Wouldn't doubt that
contributed to the negative health outcomes. It's very hard on you,
certainly at a certain age, but you know, this is
this is what he was pursuing and what he's been
fairly successful at pursuing, and now he gets to see

(55:12):
the wreckage. Not that I think it caused him to
question for a second the policy that he would he
would be you know, if you live for another five years,
he'd be the one pushing us through war with Turkey
or whatever would be would be next. So I don't
think that it was causing him to reckon at all.
With what a monstrous disaster this ideology has right amount.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And this is more of a mainstream media thing because
like I get it, you know, one of the things
like what's one of the what's one of the worst
things Trump did recently? And I know this is like
might be selective that Rob Reiner post, it was like, oh,
that's horrible, right, So, like you don't want to piss
on someone's grave immediately after they die. But there is
like a mainstream media like hay Geography. Remember when Dick
Cheney died and they were like, oh, Dick Chene he

(55:50):
was a protector of democracy. I'm like democracy, Like, okay, look,
we can just say the guy died. Let's leave it
at that. But then whenever it comes to discussion of legacy,
if you're only going to highlight one thing, it's like, well,
you got to highlight the rest too. And that's how
I feel about Lindsay Graham. Like again, I don't want
to disparage too much, and like I get it's distasteful,
but yeah, you take a look at that. Lindsey Graham

(56:11):
reveled in death who he would define as America's enemies.
I think it killed a lot of Americans and it
killed a lot of foreigners too. So that's ideology. And
you know, that really was a bedrock like belief of
his that that was a good. Ultimately, I dramatically disagree
with that. And there's no assessing him without There's no

(56:35):
assessing him period without looking at that, and you have
all these Democratic senators and others who were posting selfies
of him with him and Zelensky being like, oh, he
was such a champion for democracy. And that's part of why,
you know, to assess Lindsay. He is the ultimate Washington creature.
I met him a couple of times. Hey is the
nicest guy. Everybody has a story about how funny he is,
how disarming he is. I would disagree with him, you know,

(56:56):
always just agree to disagree or something like that, and
everybody he's got a story like that, But that doesn't
mean that what he was saying is good, Like he
used those powers for bad.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I think when you're talking about a powerful person, you
have to be honest about their legacy and not pull punches.
Because it's important that we set the record. You know,
this will be, you know, one of the last times
we think about or talk about Lindsay Gram. It's important
to set the record of what this man's life was
actually dedicated to. And you know, certainly playing him in
his own words with regard to the impact on Trump,
I just have to There was one clip of him

(57:28):
almost seeming to like get choked up talking about Lindsey Graham,
which is not he barely.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Cares about his own son.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, he didn't even go to his own son's wedding.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
True, true, So I mean I think he was genuinely
close to him.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
But also Trump is such a.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Narcissist, which is what you can see with him posting
that Lindsay Graham holding up you know, the Trump picture,
that Trump clearly is thinking about his own mortality a lot.
Lindsay is a decade younger than he is, was a
decade younger than he is, and part of I think
how he got persuaded to go to war with Iran
was about what is the legacy that you're going to

(58:03):
leave behind? And he's not going to be the one
who wants to be here to deal with the fallout
from it. So I think it probably feeds into that
sense of his own mortality as natural. Anytime someone who's
close to you dies that you start contemplating those things
more so, it wouldn't be surprised, It would not surprise
me if it just further fuels his sense of his

(58:23):
limited time and how much he wants to leave his
mark on this town and on the world.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I mean, they're very securely a good thing.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
They're both very similar in their late seventies. Obviously Lindsay
was is not as obese, but he was like, you know,
he's not like working out. Obviously, he was seventy one.
He flew all over the world. He was totally dedicated
to his work, didn't sleep a lot, a total creature
of politics. Trump looks at that and he's like, wait,
I could be like that. Yeah, no, serious as an
eighty nights and look at if you look at Lindsey Graham,
you could actually see his degradation over the years in

(58:52):
terms of his like his face looks more haggard. That's
how cardiovascular disease, hard disease works. So Trump and any
older person, Sam Neil, we were talking about that before
the shit he died today. He's seventy eight. He's younger
than Trump. So you know, once you start out to
that age, a lot of people, you know, start dying,
especially who are old, who are only obsessed with themselves,
who are you know, totally dedicated to the work of politics.

(59:13):
I mean the fact that one of the very last
things that Lindsay Graham ever said was I can't die
now because I have to go do X Y and
z and not you know, hang out with my wife
or my children or something that's I just don't want
to go out that way I can put it. I
could put it like that. And then now what you
also see, you know, without Trump is South Carolina. I
believe Lindsay Graham was running for his fifth term, which

(59:35):
is crazy, his fifth term, a long history of senators
from South Carolina dying from old age in office, which
that's your business, I guess. And now we have, like
the race to replace him will just be, you know,
the grifting race for the age. So let's put C
ten up here on the screen. The disgraced gubernatorial former
congress candidate, former Congresswoman Nancy Mace says, just when I

(59:59):
thought I was out, they pulled me back in. Scott Bessent,
the Treasury secretary. Let's put see eleven up here on
the screen. Apparently as a native son of South Carolina
who has maintained a house there during Washington, he's been
fielding calls they want him to run potentially even though
he's a Treasury secretary. And so you had at one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Pointm actually did succeed strom Thurman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I know that was Yeah, that's my refen who died
of How old was strom is like one hundred and
two something when he died something like that. Yeah, and
then we found out about his black daughter after he died.
If I'm doing my math correctly about anyway, if you
don't know who strom Thurman is, he was. He was
a segrege. He like did the filibuster against the segregation. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Anyways, I went to Clemson.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
There were buildings still like named after him because I
think grandson was at school there when I was there too. Anyway, Yes, okay,
I digress.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I met someone here in Washington once, the older person.
They're like, I came to work from the Senate. I
was like, oh for who oh for a Southern senator.
I was like, well, which one. I was like, oh okay,
and then I did the math in terms of the
year and I was like sixty one. Huh. Interesting nice
start there, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
So anyways, zooming out the race to replace Lindsay Graham,
it will be a Titanic one. I'm gonna call it.
I'm calling Nikki Haley, that's my call. I think she's
gonna make a deal with Trump. Trump has said I
want to, He said I have somebody in mind. Already
she's been stucking up to him on Iran. She's going
to have more money than humanly possible. That would be

(01:01:33):
a natural place I think for her to end up.
The only reason she never did it was because those
seats are really, really hard to get, and so I
could see, I could.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
See you don't think Scott Bessant, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Here's the rate and reason Lindsay just died. It's gonna
be very hot. What's fifty to fifty right there in
the Senate McConnell is God knows what is up with him.
If you replace Scott Bessant, you got to get a confirmation.
Is a single Democrat going to vote for confirmation? This
is part of the reason why no member of the
South Carolina delegation is going to get it from the
House of Representatives because they can't afford the margin.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, they talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
So what happens is the governor nominate someone and then
they have a special primary election to figure out who
the nominee is going to be because they've already had
the primaries Instagram obviously one there's a Democrat, a woman
I care remember a name right now who also one,
So she will remain the Democratic nominee, and now you
have to have a special primary to figure out who
is going to be the Republican who will stand for
election in the fall. Joe Wilson, who is the like, yeah,

(01:02:29):
who's young sprite from Chicus seventy eight, not even close
to the oldest person in the House of Representatives. Anyway,
he was being contemplated, but then he seemed to say, hey,
we shouldn't do this because we got to protect our
majority in the House, which is extremely slim at this point.
This also, it does have huge repercussions for what the
Senate will be able to get anything. This Trump's fantasy

(01:02:51):
give the Save America Act not going to happen because
you've got Mitch McConnell maybe alive, but certainly not in
the Senate voting. I don't know we'll get to that.
Like I said in a moment, Lindsey Graham now dead.
So you have no one in that seat you have,
And then you've got a couple of people Tom Tillis,
Cassidy who u in uh uh uh not foon, I'm

(01:03:12):
at Cornyn down in Texas. Who are you know their
primary primary down care They don't care, so they can
do whatever they want. Now the on the other side,
you do have John Fetterman, who also does whatever he wants,
so maybe you could get him for some things. But no,
their their majority in the Senate is sort of de
facto gone at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
This it's a it's a very That's part of the
reason why with Besson, i mean, Treasure Secretary such an
important position, why would they gear up for confirmation right there?
You know, there was that other you remember, I think
I was off that whole Alito resigning thing, which might
have been happening. Yeah, it's not gonna happen now because
you can have that confirmation battle's he's got to wait
till the next He.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Should have gone with the NPR announcement.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
No, I'm dead serious. If he had, let well, we
wouldn't have time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
But now, I mean, now, if the Senate goes blue,
you're going to see there are a lot of guys
like Clarence Thomas and all those people. You better hope
nothing happens to them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
If you're they were talking about doing a reconciliation bill
for the Save America Act because it only requires a
majority vote. But now you don't even you can't even
count on that. So I don't even if they get
rid of the filibuster at this point that there's no
guarantee that you're going to be able to cobble together
a majority for literally anything, because some of these guys
that Trump went against Gornyon at all would love to

(01:04:28):
stick it to them and get some vengeance for being
for losing their political powers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, this really does have like some serious serious implications
here in Washington, even in terms of like funding the
government ICE, I mean, DHS, I mean, who knows, right,
Like there's all kinds of crazy stuff that happens. McConnell
proof of life. Maybe let's put see thirteen up here
on the screen. Here it is. Here's a photo released yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Leave this up for a good but let's take a
look at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Let's analyze the picture. So here is Senator Mitch McConnell.
It's very nice to see his wife by his side
after she took from China trip to China two days
after he went to the hospital. I joked that it's
like a story out of the notebook. It's the love
affair that you like to see two elderly people separated
by continents. You can just feel the passion. What you
can see in this photo is bottom left very strategically

(01:05:21):
places that newspaper so you can see the modern day newspaper.
So when we see Mitch, he's smiling kind of, he's
got his glass, his eyes are open. The what is
that the left hand? There a lot of bruising there
on the left hand, usually indicative of an ivy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Very trump looking very trump.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
And we'll all remember the photo of the Queen from
like the day before that she died, where she also
had a lot of the bruising there. Usually that's where
they place an ivy. So obviously in a hospital bed.
I recognize that those types of chairs from my time
when my wife was giving birth. So okay, so that's
where Mitch is. He's propped up there on a pillow.
Now let's keep in mind nothing of him talking, but

(01:06:03):
he disappear to be sent in semi or whatever. His
eyes are open, that's what we know. And his wife
is there by side. I mean, it's all we can
that's all we can assess from this photo, right, is
that he is alive.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I mean, maybe I don't like Also, it's the age
of AI and you accept us just to accept a
photo at face value, like, oh, see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
The newspaper here. I mean, it's just it's too much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
It is too much, and then it's too much that
they have to do this right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
And so if you if you actually want a proof
of life, all these Republicans are Oh I talked to
Misch McConnell for twenty minutes. He's great a problem. Okay, Well,
then talk to someone who's not a Republican like talk
to in his refer call up many Democratic friends in
the Senate, you know, I mean, someone who might have
a little more credibility to vouch for what's going on here.

(01:06:47):
And then we get this statement from him, puts up
on this screen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I'll read this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It's length. I'm sorry, but let me read this whole
thing just so. I don't, you know, don't paraphrase in
a way that's that doesn't fully capture all of the
sentiments expressed here to my fellow Kentuckians. And this was
put out alongside that photo when you elected me to
seventh term, made me our Commonwew's longest serving center. You
did so trusting I keep showing up to fight for
you every day over the past several weeks, Elaine and

(01:07:13):
I have appreciated both your well wishes and your honest
questions about what was keeping me away from the Senate.
You all know how folks of my generation often hesitate
to share the vulnerability that comes with growing older, even
in the public eye. I feel that same instinct. I
can't help it. Keep in mind, guys, he has been
gone for a month. A month we have heard nothing.
This is all we've gotten is this one photo.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
In this statement.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
But at the same time, I've had more than my
share of experience with physical vulnerability. Surviving childhood polio meant
spending my entire life with mobility challenges. This is reminding
me very much of the Joe Biden stutter discourse. They
haven't exactly gotten easier to manage with age, and last
month I took a fall which landed me in the hospital.
My doctors confirmed I didn't break any bones or suffer

(01:07:57):
a concussion. I did not have a heart or a stroke.
I don't have any tumors or hamorrhages. But I was
briefly unconscious and was taken to the hospital or receiving
excellent care. Over the past several weeks, I've also had
to deal with a mild case of pneumonia.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Let me just pause there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
He's claiming that a fall, a mild fall that did
not cause a concussion, that was not caused by a
heart attack or stroke, that he doesn't have any tumors
or hemorrhages, but somehow left him unconscious but didn't cause
a concussion, is what led to him being hospitalized for
a month. And by the way, they're still not releasing

(01:08:35):
him and letting him go. So what exactly happened with
this alleged fall that was so severe that all you
can do is put out this photo and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Have to be in the hospital for a month.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Allow me to continue, he says, I can assure you
that I've been a good patient and my age.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
I tend to do what my doctors told me to do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I've submitted to every test they can think of to
help figure out what caused this incident. I'm continuing to
do everything that asked to speed my recovery. In fact,
with signs of continued progress, I've been able to move
from hospital care to a rehabilitation center where I'll keep
regaining my strength. As much as it frustrates me, this
process takes time, and on the advice of my doctors,
I will not be able to return to the Senate
floor to vote quite yet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Rest assured.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
In the meantime, I'm not taking a break from the
Senate business that matters to you. I've been working closely
with my legislative staff on current issues, with my Kentucky team,
who helped me provide timely constituent services across our commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Your right to expect your representatives to work hard for you,
et cetera, et cetera. I'll keep working hard to get
back on the Senate floor as soon as possible. Keep
you posted on the progress of my recovery. N til then,
So grateful for your prayers and well wishes. This still
makes absolutely no sense, Occer. So if you no concussion
and no stroke, no problem, everything's good. Why are you
still in the hospital. Yes, Why don't we have a video?

(01:09:46):
Why can't you talk to reporters? Like, what is going
on here? Why do we just get this one photo well,
which the newspaper.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
What is also weird is remember the EMS call had
set cardiac arrest. That's part of the reason a lot
of people are like oh my god, it might be dead.
Because Ryan had looked up the status like if you
have cardiac arrest and again CPR and they're coming to
get you. You're eighty four years old at your home,
you have like a two percent survival rate. So this
it does make a little bit more sense now that
he didn't suffer a heart attack, at least according to him,

(01:10:13):
he suffered a fall. Now that said fall is one
of the leading causes of death for people who are
his age, so it's not uncommon a lot of hip breaking.
It leads to rapid deterioration. But he's pairing it here
with the mild pneumonia. I mean, I feel insane even
talking about this. You're eighty four years old. This is bonkers. Like,
you're eighty four, you're falling. You've had multiple incidents where
you can't speak on cameraide he literally freeze up completely.

(01:10:37):
You're spending weeks in the if you have to spend
weeks in the hospital, weeks in the hospital because of
your old age, How can you be a public servant?
How could you run again? You know? And he say, oh,
I retired, Why didn't Sorry, I'm retiring at the end
of chance leave now like you can't, you're not doing
your job. Allegedly, you're talking your staff. You've been multiple
weeks here in the hospital. I mean, it's just did

(01:10:59):
you hear end up hearing by the remember that missing
congressman we found out what happened? Oh yeah, he had depression.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Depression yeah mm hmm and again month, you know, yeah, months.
And by the way, he is not telling the truth either,
because you're not hospitalized for months with depression without something very.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Severe, maybe had a schizophrenic break line, which in either case,
I'm sorry. You got to go, dude. You can't be
taken three and a half months off work.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
You are usually kept if you are hospitalized with mental
illness for months at a time, it means you are
risk to yourself or others. Right, So yeah, I mean
we're definitely not getting the straight story there, and we're
definitely not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Getting the straight story here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
And the reason why people were and still are very
much speculating that he, you know, maybe not there at
all at this point, is that they would want to
drag out the process past I think it's August third,
because if he's you know, out of the Senate or
dead before August third, then they have to call a
special election. Oh and then Tom's Massy might run and

(01:11:57):
that could cause some problems for them because if he
runs as a Republican, he could win the nomination and
then that's another senator that Trump can't control. Or if
he runs as an independent, then he could serve as
a spoiler. So that was the reason why there would
be some motivation to cover up the reality of what
is going on here. But look, I mean, it's yeah,
we're being lied to. It's in your face. They're not

(01:12:18):
giving the whole story. What he's saying doesn't make sense.
And I don't think anyone should be convinced of anything
from this photo that they're putting, the single singular photo
that they are putting out at this point, the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Fact that they have to put the photo out in
and of itself. We're in crazy town, you know when
you're I'm eighty four. I just fell. Don't worry about it.
I'm totally fine. But I've spent here weeks in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I need to spend an unspecified amount of time more
in the hospital, but more how cleared too? And this
was something did you see Lauren Bobert reacting to that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Tom Keane guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
She was kissed. She was like, oh, she was disgusted.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
She was absolutely discussed, and she was like, you had
to be out for months because you're a little sad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
She went.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
But she made a point and she was like, this
job is not that hard, Like we can roll you
in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Doors over vote.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
And you leave right. You can make it a lot,
you can do a lot more with it. But if
you're just doing the bare minimum, it takes you like
ten minutes a day, it's really not that big a deal.
You can't do that. You can't do that. That tells
you how dire the situation is. That you can't even
roll his wheelchair in the back door to cast a

(01:13:28):
vote and roll.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Him back out. He is not in a condition even
to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I remember reading some book where they used to
do that. There was some senator who was basically on
his deathbed and they forced him to come vote, and
they never he never forgave the whipper snapper who forced
him to come vote, like from his deathbed. Yeah, where
they had to, but literally they wheeled him in from
his hospital bed or from his hotel room or something
where he was hold up. He voted and then he
went back. But that and that's apparently the norm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Remember Feinstein like voted and then hours later died, didn't
she crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Yeah? And what did Amy Klovich was like just fot, yes, okay,
I can't live like this.

Speaker 10 (01:14:20):
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