7/14/26: Trump Says US Is Hormuz Guardian, Oil Crisis Looms, ICE Shootings In Maine And Texas

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Indeed, we do increasingly looking like a forever war in Uran,
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a friend. But as Crystal said, let's go ahead and
start with the situation with Iran. It looks more and
more like the United States is now going to be
in a full blown forever war. Let's go ahead and
start with Donald Trump's truth Social post yesterday. We alluded

(02:52):
this up to a bit in our Ama at the
very end, Donald Trump on Truth Social the Horror Moves
Strait is open and will remain open with or without Iran.
We are resting reinstating the Iranian blockade, so named because
it is only stopping Iran ships or customers from entering
or leaving. All other countries will have fair and open

(03:14):
use of the strait. The USA will be from this
point forward known as the Guardian of the Hormuz Straight
and as such, and as a matter of fairness, we
will be reimbursed at the rate of twenty percent on
all cargo shipped for any and all costs necessary to
do the job of providing safety and security to this
very volatile section of the world. Obviously, the major top
line news there is Trump saying that we will be

(03:36):
reinstituting the blockade against Iran, but more importantly is actually
the charging of a toll on the Strait of Hormu's
cargo because he wants twenty percent, the Iranians only want one.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeahfing a better deal here.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
The biggest problem is how much this massively undermines the
Secretary of State's position, the United Nations, everybody else who's
previously actually been on the side, not necessarily of the
blockade per se, but they're like, look, oh, we don't
want to be paying tolls to the Iranians. But Trump
just normalized tolls in the strait of Horror Moves and
made it so that every utterance by his Secretary of
State for why there needs to be a blockade or

(04:10):
why the war needs to continue in the so called
battle for horor Moves is to keep the straight open.
Whereas now Trump is saying no, no, no, no, We're going
to charge the toll. Not Iran.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
They were the charge, right, They were pretending for five
seconds they cared about international law solely when it came
to this issue of whether or not you could charge
a toll. But now Trump is like, no, we're actually
fine with tolls. We just want to charge the toll
at twenty percent versus the one percent that Iran was
offering the world.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
So that's where we are now.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
But yeah, I mean he's back to blockade, trying to
starve them economically, seeing if that will create some additional
pressure to be able to get more gains of the
negotiating table that they were not able to secure previously.
And you know, this is why you would not be
surprised if we find ourselves climbing up the next step

(04:56):
on the escalation ladder, because we know that this is
not going to succeed. We know that the US public
is not behind this war, whereas for Iran it is existential.
We know they are likely able to wait us out. Economically,
the pain is looming and is already here for the
American consumer. The midterms are right around the corner, so
the political fallout is also really close by and really near.

(05:18):
The Iranians understand all of this. So when this next
gambit of let's try the blockade again doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, what is he going to go to next?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is it going to be enough pain that he then
capitulates and basically says, okay, fine, you have control over
the straight of horror moves, which is the big sticking
point at this point, or is it going to be okay,
I guess we need to seize carg Island, or I
guess we need to do some other insane thing because
what we're trying is not working. And you know, unlike
other situations like Afghanistan, where you could kind of put
a for Ukraine, where you could kind of put a

(05:49):
forever war on the back burner, you don't have that
luxury with Iran. They might be deluding themselves into thinking
that they can basically fool the oil markets indefinitely into
keeping things in some sort of a manageable, reasonable state.
But we have hard realities that we're going to run
up against here very very soon. So this is not
the kind of thing that you can just put on

(06:11):
the back burner and hope that the American people stop
paying attention to it.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, and actually to your point about
how look, Trump says a lot of things, but I
actually want you able to watch this next interview very closely.
What you're seeing is an interview with Donald Trump and
Hugh Hewitt, who is of course a massive neocon. Hugh
Hewitt keeps pushing him to take Pickaxe Mountain, which is
an alleged Iranian nuclear facility. Trump basically says, yeah, you're right,

(06:35):
We're going to go ahead and take it, along with
all kinds of other bello cooast rhetoric.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Let's take a listen, every time they send a drone,
we hit him very hard. But we had a deal,
but nobody knows we had a deal. It was a
done deal, and then they broke it. They always break it.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
We've had ten deals with these vaiople, and so we're
just going to hit him very hard, and we're going
to keep the straight and we'll probably run it. Will
become the Guardian of the Straight. Maybe we'll call it
the Guardian Angel of the Strait. And we should be
reimbursed for that. When we do that, we're going to
be reimburrassed because the other nations are very wealthy. They're
on our side, and we can't be expected to do

(07:11):
that for nothing, unlike we had for many years.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
We're gonna hit them hard tomorrow and there's not a
damn thing they can do about it. They have nothing,
they have nothing going other than they have big mouths.
And I keep it President that I did. You got
to know them and it's a lot better. You know,
people say I was at least reasonable, but I got
to know them with this sone cold crazy people got
you great speech, mister President.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Go get Pickaxe Mountain and don't keep the speaker waiting.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I appreciate your time, sir.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Okay, and we will do that. We're going to take
out Pickaxe Mountain. Tell the Iranians to be ready coming.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
There's not a damn thing they can do about it.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Thanks to hahahaha. Yeah, it's all just so so funny.
To bomb Iranian nuclear facilities and to keep this war going.
I mean, I think that clip is very important because
that's your Trump is listening to, that's your Trump is
doing interviews with that. You know, to get Trump on
the phone, it's not so simple. You got to go
through multiple different rungs. It's not like you can just
I mean, you could directly call him. But when I'm
saying to get him due to an interview, this has

(08:10):
to be coordinated to the Press office, they know exactly
who it was. This is all coordinated specifically, not just
for the death of Lindsay Graham and all these memorials,
which I guess Lindsay would have wanted nothing else, not
only to see the war continue, the reinstitution of the blockade,
but actually some kakamami scheme now about destroying Pickaxe Mountain,
which from the air is one thing, but of course
we've talked multiple times here about it. If you actually

(08:31):
wanted to, you know, secure Iranian nuclear material, you're going
to have to go in and get it, which would
be just the disastrous military operation. Trump also into the
forever war point, is now justifying the war having lasted
several months by saying well, we were in Vietnam for
nineteen years. We're barely even in this thing. Let's take
a listen as.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Your president, you know, to the United States is bombing
Iran again.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
I mean that you've been bombing.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Around for months now.

Speaker 8 (08:54):
Is this just the new normal?

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Well, you know, we're in Vietnam for nineteen years.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
We're here for four months, so I think we've done
a lot.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
We've knocked out the navy in a period of one month.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So yeah, we were Vietnam for nineteen years. It's only
been a few months. It's like, well, actually, somehow you
managed to cram nineteen years of disaster into just four months.
Only you could have done it there, mister president, let's
put the Iranian Foreign minister's comments up here on the screen.
Potus is absolutely right. Whoever provides secure and safe passage
of commercial vessels through the Strait of horror Moves should

(09:27):
be compensated for the service. Iran has always been the
guardian of the Strait and will remain so forever. Twenty
percent is of course too much. We will be fair,
so as I said, it's literally only charging one percent.
You know. On top of that, we are watching the
escalation of what So, what we should do is we
need to reset the table, the cease fire, the memorandum

(09:48):
of understanding, the memorandum misunderstanding. That's all over. Okay, what
we're at now is basically tit for tat, a horror
moves warfare. It no longer has anything to do with nukes,
no matter what Trump will say, doesn't really have anything
to do with regime change. This is purely about resolving
a matter which was solved at the beginning of the war.
This shows you just how disastrous this all is. It

(10:10):
is also leading to a new revolution in military affairs
on the American side, copying both the Iranians and the
Ukrainians for these low cost one way suicide drones. Go
and put this video up here. I'm going to narrate
a little bit of what you can all see. This
is the first time it's ever been used in combat.
So Sentcom released this video yesterday saying using one way

(10:31):
attack surface drones, sent Coom forces successfully struck a submarine
and ship maintenance facility in Iran. Three coursair unmanned surface
vessels hit the port at the bandar Abbast Naval Base,
marketing the first time American forces have used sea drones
in combat last night strikes, degrading Iran's ability to continue
attacking commercial shipping. So this is what we're all watching

(10:52):
is a complete change and the way that Washington is
going to continue to use these one way attack drones
or these AI power drones. Remember when those pilots went
down in the Strait of more Moves and those AI
boats came to pick them up, they were completely unmanned. Effectively,
this is the Afghanistan playbook in a nutshell. If only
a few people die, or not that many people die,

(11:14):
then we can just pour hundreds of billions for years
and years to come. And so that's basically the strategy
the White House is continuing to go with. The one
thing that arches on top of all of this is,
unlike Afghanistan is we still have twenty percent of global
oil shipping which is disrupted. This strategic Petroleum Reserve near
its minimal operating levels. It will dip below that within

(11:36):
the next week or two, which will lead to some
very interesting conversations. Yesterday I was reading about China. Really,
nobody has any idea when they're going to start buying again.
If they start buying today, it'll be five dollars a gallon,
like literally within I don't even know two three weeks
if they just decide to resume buying at two thirds
or one third normal level. And so that really does
show the dramatic problem that the United States faces with

(12:00):
oil inventory and prices. And that's when stuff gets crazy.
This is not to mention all the other crazy stuff
happening across the globe. Treata is going to break down
the resumption of hostilities between Saudi Arabia and Yemen. It
does appear by the way of reporting, just came out
last night that Trump spoke to the Crown Prince and
greenlit those strikes in Yemen. I just read this morning

(12:22):
Ukrainian attacks on Russia have degraded refining capacity by twenty
one percent to some of the lowest levels in Russian history,
which will mean that you'll see even further less oil
come off the global market. Things are all ready like
the crunch is here. It has been here now for
quite some time. And the thing we always warned about,
as I said yesterday, you brought it up hurricane season.

(12:44):
You're one hurricane away in Texas taking out a couple
of refineries or disrupting the Gulf or the port of Houston.
And that's it, like it's curtains in terms of seven
eight dollars a gallon, shortages, all kinds of other insanity.
That's exact exactly what the SPR is designed for. This

(13:05):
is not going to end. Let's put a six finally
up here on the screen. President Trump notified Congress yesterday
of the resumption of US military activities against Iran under
the War Powers Resolution. He writes to the he writes,
the dear mister President, I write to apprise you of
military action commenced on July seven against the government of

(13:27):
the Islamic of Iran. I previously notified you of changes
in the global posture of the US Armed Forces in
relation to Iran on June eleven, twenty twenty six, and
that was in terms of the ceasefire. He is now
saying that that is effectively over. These efforts led to
my signing of a memoranding of understanding. However, at my direction,
the United States Armed Forces have responded to what he

(13:47):
says is a violation of that, and we have resumed
now quote, defensive strikes against the Islamic Republic of Iran
and so all of that together. And you know, remember
this all broke out on Monday, so that's when the
market open. Now, I would not put it off the
table that we're in some crazy ceasefire resumption of negotiations

(14:08):
by Friday, but the fact that they were willing to
go out on Monday and say, okay, we're back that
spell is very bad, I think, because that means that
they're not worried about calming the markets, They're not worried
about the price of oil, and so yeah, I mean,
you know, I've been speaking to some people around in Washington,
and not to divelge like too much of private conversations,

(14:29):
but one of the Median expectations in the security establishment
today is that the forever war and the tit for
tat Battle of Horn Moves is here to stay for
quite some time before anybody feels to pain. And nobody
is unfortunately. You know, if you read a lot of
history books, like nobody's bled enough the Iranians. You know,
they lost some stuff. You know, they still have their
their whole regime is intact. They have restored to terrence.

(14:52):
The United States we paid four point fifty a gallon.
That's high. It's not that high. It's not gas lines high.
We know our stock market is still near all time
I'm not diminishing in any way what's happened to normal people.
But Americans. You know, we've lost thirteen people, not that
high in terms of the long history. Fourteen, right, so
we have fourteen Americans who've been killed. Again, I'm not

(15:13):
diminishing these people's debts. I don't think they should be dead.
But no American truly felt like a massive pain. And
that's what it will take for Trump to actually fully buckle.
So we're locked in this now basically for they're going
to try and keep us away from that pain point.
But I would say if this continues, we probably have
another month until there's an actual full blown crisis whenever

(15:35):
it comes to oil. But that's part of the reason
why this the logic. I'm curious what you think, like,
he has to taco, He does not have a choice,
but he might he still might not, And that's the
problem is that's where the escalation ladder leads.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, that's exactly right, because again it comes back to
can his ego? Can is ego sustain it? And it's
looking right now, like no, like it's going to require
more pain. And this is what the Irani and hardliners
have been arguing, as you haven't done enough right, they're
not ready to capitulate yet, and we don't want to
end up back in the situation again, which is exactly

(16:08):
what happened. We could put the last element in this
block A nine up on the screen. This is from
Professor Muhammed Morandi, who we've had on the show multiple times,
who was involved in the negotiations back during the JC
Poway as media attache. Involved again during these negotiations, he
says iron new Trump would undermine the MoU so use

(16:29):
the agreement to outmaneuver him swiftly exporting vast quantities of
oil importing essential goods has now pulled far ahead of Trump,
who has been unable to mitigate the looming energy supply crisis.
So this is the Iranian spin and take. I don't
doubt that like they didn't trust that this would ultimately
lead to some sort of favorable resolution and that they
were doing everything that they could during this time period

(16:52):
when they were able to sell oil freely on the
international markets to accumulate revenue to import whatever it is
that they need to import and be prepared for if
there was a next round. So that is the way
that they are portraying things. But you know, I'm just
looking at the markets this morning. We've got oil now
US crewed back up over eighty dollars. Yesterday it was

(17:13):
around seventy, so you can see the trend. You've got
treasury bond yields that are up, You've got the stock
market that's down.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
So it is only a.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Matter of time and very hard to know exactly when
the shit actually hits the fan. But the other piece
of this is the people who are already suffering in
the US. You know, those people for whom paying four
dollars a gallon is genuinely ruinous. Those are the same
people who have the least power in our political system
as well, and are basically invisible to policymakers. So that's
part of why the impact that has already been felt

(17:43):
on them does not really ripple for the political system.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Let's put a seven up on the screen. So this
is about what they announced yesterday in the UAE. So
the US Consulate in the UAE has actually canceled all
consular services at the endbassy and Consulate General in Dubai
and in Abu Dhabi. The reason why is for security reasons.
So we'll remember in the very opening days of the war,

(18:09):
we saw targeted drone strikes against multiple US facilities in
the UAE, in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, in Kuwait. Many
of these embassies were actually severely damaged by these Iranian
suicide drones. And so this is a major major problem
for the United States, and that you can see that
they're already canceling preemptively consular services to make sure people

(18:32):
don't get killed. I mean, it is a bit strange,
like we have not seen the full scale retaliation in
the way that Iran was acting immediately while the resumption
of the war. And perhaps that's very strategic because right now,
basically what I do wonder is that Iran's strategy seems
to be Okay, Israel's not bombing us, so we won't

(18:53):
bomb Israel like they're trying to define it purely in
terms of self defense. This is the Battle of Hormuz.
All of our strikes will go against other commercial ships
that violate the blockade. Their blockade, the US assets in
the Strait of hormoves and to the extent that we're
striking anything in the Gulf countries, we are not going
to strike any civilian or energy infrastructure. We will simply

(19:14):
strike US assets that are in the region there because
they're fair game according to them. So it does seem
to be actually quite a measured response. It keeps the UAE,
Saudi Arabia and these other countries out of the game
at least for now because they're not striking those oil
facilities and others, which is what the full scale eruption
of the war had invited that type of retaliation. But

(19:36):
it does just seem I don't know, it just seems
like something has to break because of the energy equation
that we just keep coming back to, like there's only
a certain amount of barrels in the market. How long
can we really sustain this? And we're just a few
events away from seven or eight dollars a gallon here
in the United States. Like the precarity of that is
just so nightmarish, I think for the US economy and

(19:59):
for everything else. And that seems to be the Iranian
strategy from from Professor Morandi, I do also think on
the Iranian side, from what I was reading. This has
really empowered a lot of the critics of the deal
because they're like, seeing, you idiots, we told you not
to do this, We told you that they were going
to continue to go down this path. In the American side,
JD is you know, missing an action. Literally, haven't even

(20:20):
heard from the guy in multiple weeks. Yep, he has gone.
Rubio is back. You got Trump on, Hugh Hewitt, Mark Levin,
and everybody else is cheering like that. You know, it's
pointing in one direction right now if you want to
look at the tea leaves.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So yeah, a lot of you know, hardline nationalist sentiment
expressed at the funeral that was you know, visible through
the signs and the flags that were being waived. So
you know there is a domestic political push in that
direction in Iran as well. And then I keep thinking
from Trump's side of what he told Tucker when Tucker
was like, you really shouldn't do this, He's like, don't worry,

(20:55):
It'll work out. It always does. I think that's how
he approaches things.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
He really doesn't just coology, can't you. I mean, he
has won everything that he ever really wanted to. You know,
he like he won the election. Nobody said it was
twenty sixteen the ultimate gam.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean, even going back to all his business backankruptcies
and everything always seems to land on his feet. And
so that's the way he's operating here, is like, oh,
all these doom you know, all these Panicans saying it's
going to be eight dollars of gas, like it's going
to be fine. Like it's nothing's completely fallen apart yet,
so we'll work it out.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think he believes he's touched by God. I also
think a lot of his advisors believe that. I think
so too. If you're very scary, did you read the
Regime Change Book or some of it?

Speaker 9 (21:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I get And so when you read that, you're like
one of the things that a lot of his advisors can.
They always defer to him because they're like, well, you
do have to give it to him. He always wriggles
his way out of something. And you know, this is
the one where there's just the perfect alchemy. I feel
like of like the war, expenditure of resources, ego, the

(21:56):
straight up horn moves oil, it all just came together
where this is the one that actually will break him.
I think ultimately because you know you're going to You're
either going to have to have defeat or we invade,
and both is a defeat in my opinion. It's basically,
you know, we talked previously months ago about how this
is the end of his presidency and this is the
definitional point of how it will just never end, like

(22:17):
it will just continue to be in the background, a
thorn for a few weeks. That may subside for a
few weeks, it may not, but we're always going to
end up back here if we don't solve the fundamental question.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And I think the other thing he's planning the speech
Thursday night that's supposed to be about the twenty twenty
election being rigged by foreign influenced blah blah blah. We
don't know all the details yet. It may have to
do with you know, Venezuela and cutting some sort of
a deal. I don't know, but I feel like that
is both an attempt to try to seize control of
the midterms. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some national

(22:49):
emergency that was declared or some powers that were grabbed
to try to change the results of what the midterms
are likely to be. But also another thing for people
to be very justifiably upset about. So they're talking about
that and not what a disaster his iron mess.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's a very obvious ploy too, because I mean, do
we really think he's gonna seize that. I mean, look,
I just honestly don't think so. I think it will
be a massive in kind donation to the Assoff campaign
and to the One campaign. But what we do know, well,
first of all, it doesn't diminish how bad it is. Like,
let's be honest, yeah, disaster. Like to go out there
and say, like, oh, the election in which I presided over,

(23:24):
by the way, because I was the president, was somehow rigged,
it's like, okay, you know, you have a better shot
at saying that about twenty twenty four. But in reality,
what it is, and we know this from him, he
wants to change the narrative. He likes when people freak out.
It's his personal project. So this though, it just you know,
you see it today, like you have to just keep

(23:45):
coming back to Iran. It is the biggest story in
the world. It will remain so now for quite some time.
There's just no getting out of it unless you basically
unless you cry uncle so all right, let's get to
doctor Tree de Parsi. He's standing by for us.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
For more analysis of the Iran war and also this
wild regime change plot involving Akmadinajad that is just too
crazy to believe. We are joined now by doctor Treta
Parsi of the Quincy Institute and also author of the
Treatah Parsi substack that you all should go subscribe to.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Great to see you, sar, Good to see you, Good
to be with you guys.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, so we've just been talking about all of the updates,
how it appears that Trump is trying to set up
some sort of forever war dynamic. You've got a new
piece up on your substack. We can put this up
on the screen. You say, a new US Iran war
would end where the last one did. The fundamentals remain unchanged.
Iran can threaten hormoves, the US can punish Iran, and
neither can secure its objectives through force. So what do

(24:44):
you make of the developments this week which seemed to
be a significant break from the previous dynamic where we
would have some limited bombing over the weekend and then
some market timed announcement of new talks and negotiations.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
Now this is a clear break from that in which
Trump has just completely shifted his position.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
I mean, we're back at war. We're back at war.

Speaker 10 (25:05):
The Ivanians that put back the closure of the strait,
Trump is putting back the today the blockade of the blockade.
We're going back to the previous dynamics without any of
the fundamentals changing in a positive way for the United States.
When you take a look at, for instance, the stockpile
and the inventory of global oil. Remember Vans made a

(25:26):
statement that the MoU would be used to stock things
up and then see where things are.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
Well.

Speaker 7 (25:32):
It hasn't stocked up.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
We're talking about a five percent recovery during the MoU
in terms of how much the global oil inventory has dropped.
The strategic petroleum reserve of the United States is still down.
So none of these things have happened, which means that
the runway for the United States, the amount of time
it would take before this war would lead to a

(25:55):
major economic crisis, is much shorter than it was back
in February. On top of that, we're only sixteen weeks
away from the midterm elections, and of course the secondary
and third level repercussions of the previous O shock have
not been fully felt yet, so to start this war
in this manner at this moment just makes absolutely zero sense.

(26:19):
Unless Trump has figured out some sort of a brilliant
military strategy that had not been used before that could
put an end to this world within a week or two,
and I very much doubt that. So this is I
think more a manifestation that there were some errors made
by both sides, some exaggerated reactions to a couple of

(26:39):
things that happened, but then this sudden, massive overreaction and
Trump just being in a bad place and decided that
this is not good enough. And I think this is
a problem that is going to be recurring if we
ever managed to get back to diplomacy. Trump seems to
need this kind of constant assembly line of positive developments,
positive feedback to stick to that line, and if he

(27:02):
doesn't get it, he just doesn't one to eighty, and
you're just not going to be able to resolve the
conflict of forty seven years between two countries with that
type of a straight line, never a bump into road
type of approach.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Or especially you know, in the middle of negotiations that
you just threatened to kill the people who are at
the table potentially doesn't help. One of the things, sir,
that you're highlighting is about the runway in the global economy,
and not enough people are paying attention. We have b
one that we can just show some of the footage,
but it does appear, you know, with the resumption of
these hostilities between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, reports are coming

(27:38):
out here of Washington that the United States Trump spoke
with MBS and Saudi Arabia to actually green light some
of these strikes. Obviously, this could bring not just the
who these into war with Saudi Arabia, but it could
bring them also into a blockade of the Bab al
Mandeb Strait, which would only further exacerbate this energy crisis.

(27:59):
What do you make of Trump's decision to green light
a resumption of hostilities with Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Why
would he do so, why would Saudi Arabia want to
do so? What are the implications for us.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
All so, First, I think it's important to understand that
the Yemeni dynamic has its own dynamic, but it's happening
in the context of this larger problem in the region.
But if we look at that dynamic, first and foremost,
there was a UN Security Council resolution I forgot which
year it was, twenty seventeen or so anach must have
been a little bit earlier in which a blockade was

(28:32):
put on the Uties. Even though the Iranians and the
Saudis normalized relations, that UN resolution was never lifted. It
sit in place, and the Saudi still want to keep
it in place, and they want to make sure that
the Juties are not using this normalization to rebuild official
logistical lines between Iran and Yemen. And during this funeral

(28:56):
of the Supreme Leader, it seems like the Iranians took
the opportunity to challenge that bit because they sent the
plane to Sona to pick up UTI officials to fly
them to the funeral. Decideri's try to stop that. They couldn't.
But now when that plane is returning, they attacked the
airport and forced the plane to land at at Weida

(29:17):
instead of landing in Sona. So I think this is
part of that dynamic, But as you pointed out, it
is taking place within the context in which you're seeing
Trump simply being in an escalatory mode.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
So you know, to be frank at this point.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
If any of the leaders in the region were to
call him right now and ask him for a green
light for some sort of a military action that they could.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Frame as being a.

Speaker 10 (29:42):
Devastating blow to Yvan, I suspect that he would say
yes to it without thinking twice.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Right, good point.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So is it your sense of that MOLU is basically
dead at this point? I mean, the thing was signed
and then they never even really got to the sixty
day negotiations, which were meant to tackle these more difficult issues,
the nuclear program involving control of the straight U wom
moves that never really even developed, and now here we
are barreling back towards full scale hostilities.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
I think the MoU is dead. That does not mean
that it cannot be revived.

Speaker 10 (30:16):
At some point, they're probably going to come to the
conclusion that this is not working and there needs to
be a return to some form of a ceasefire. There's
problems with the MU, there's ambiguity that were too big, clearly,
but if you want to start off from scratch, that's
going to be a very very difficult task. So I
think if there is a return to diplomacy. If we're

(30:37):
lucky enough that that happens, it's going to at least
be built on the MU some changes, obviously, but it's
not going to start off from scratch. But I think
the one thing that may change that may cause them
to go back to the table is not that the
fundamentals are change in anyone's favor in a particular way,
but rather that the allure that military action can change

(30:58):
the facts on the ground in a manner that shifts
the dynamics in the negotiations in anyone's side. That alert,
I think is going to be gone because I think
it will be clear after the second round that it
is really not going to change anything in a significant manner.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, but that's that's my question, sir. So you know
when we talk about this and get so it's not
just the United States that has to bring to cust
to come to the table. What about the Iranian side?
Because you had talked previously there are major divides in
Iranian political society. The most noteworthy statement was from the
Supreme Leader, who basically said something along the lines of

(31:34):
I didn't want to do this, but I'm going to
listen to my advisors you know, I don't know how
much agency he himself has, but how what will it
take for Iran to come back to the table after
all of these resumption of hostilities.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
It's going to be extremely difficult to get back to
the table the Iranians. First of all, I do think
that the Iranians also committed mistakes. I think it was
an old reaction to shooting at some of these ships.
I think this could have been handled different I do
think that the Iranians suspicion that the United States was
trying to build a southern corridor that would be out
of the control of the Iranians, that would be able

(32:10):
to be operational even if war resumed, essentially taking Iran's
leverage away from the Strait, is probably a plausible suspicion
that the Iranians had, because it makes perfect sense for
the United States to try to do something like that,
But nevertheless, to do it within the MORU essentially means

(32:31):
that you're not really pursuing the negotiations, You're pursuing a
different path under the guise of negotiations. Nevertheless, setting that aside,
I think what has happened here over the course of
the last three or so weeks is that I detected
a significant darkening in the mood in Iran in terms
of them becoming increasingly convinced that the United States was likely,

(32:51):
or if not inevitable, that it would attack again. They
were seeing all kinds of signs that indicated to them
that Trump was not going to follow through with the diplomacy.
I think that Israeli Lebanese agreement was one such sign.
Another one that got far less attention is that Marco Rubio,
right before mediating the Lebanese's Radi agreement, which contradicted the

(33:13):
MU and my view, also went to the GCC States,
got them all together and got even the Omanis to
sign on to an official statement that essentially rejected previous
ideas that the Omanis themselves had put forward about a
joint management of the strait of hormones. And afterwards Rubio said,
it doesn't matter. It cannot be if told, it cannot

(33:35):
be a fee. Everything has to go back to exactly
the way they were before Debra twenty seven, when the
United States started a war. That also, I think suggested
to the Yvarnians that the US is not going to
have any flexibility because it's.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
Essentially changing its position on the strait.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
That's how they perceived it and pushed them in the
direction of thinking that if there's going to be a war,
it's better for the Vannians to close the strait earlier
rather than allow the United States to choose the timing
of the war on its own. Having said that, I
think the Irania has made an assumption it may not
have been absolutely solid, and by that they may have
made the war that they thought that they could avoid inevitable.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Do you have any sense of or any theories or
do the Iranians have any theories of how long before
you know, oil really spikes and we have, you know,
massive global economic fallout in a way that becomes very
politically painful, more so than it already has been for Trump.

Speaker 10 (34:32):
I think what happened with the mus the last couple
of weeks of negotiations, we saw that the Iranians were
very slow. You know, they were neither saying yes to
the proposals nor no. They were dragging out time. And
part of the reason why they were doing so was
to actually get the global economy to suffer even further
to strengthen their hand in those negotiations. And there were

(34:52):
some last minute changes that were made to the proposal,
and there are voices in Iran that believed that they
should have held out even longer, that Trump was really
in a desperate situation and they should have pushed further
rather than agreed to it at the time. I suspect
that this time around, if this continues in the manner
that it seems to be continuing, they will intensify that.

(35:14):
They know very well that their starting point is worse
for the US. They know very well that the political
runway is even shorter. They themselves have suffered because they
have replenished a lot of oil on the waters, but
not to the same numbers that they had before the
war started, so they too are at a lower level.
But I think they believe that in the short run

(35:35):
they have a higher pain tolerance.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Than the United States does.

Speaker 10 (35:38):
If this ends up becoming a low intensity war that
goes on for a very long time, then I think
Vanyas will be in a much worse situation.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, I think we also wanted to discuss with you,
sir before let's put it up. Here is a New
York Times investigation about and is really secret operation to
cultivate Akmedinaja of all people, where it appears that for
the last several years they have been meeting with him
secretly all across the world. That part of the scheme

(36:10):
in bombing his residence was to take out his IRGC
captors to then smuggle him to some black site inside
of Iran by a MASSAD agent. Until Akmadinajohn himself appears
to have left of his own volition and decided that
the entire regime change operation that was built upon him
actually taking power and somehow becoming pro Israel decided he

(36:31):
himself that it wasn't going to work, and he now
appears to be back under IRGC protection. I guess you
could call it there's a lot going on here, But
just what does this tell us about Israel's plot to
actually have regime change in Iran?

Speaker 10 (36:48):
It's the best way of describing there's a lot going
on here.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
Look what to make of this?

Speaker 10 (36:55):
Let me start off by saying, look, I don't find
this to be completely implausible looking at the trajectory of Agnadeinejad,
the manner in which he really broke with the system.
He had this huge fallout with comedy. He was marginalized.
He was ostracized in the Iranian political system for quite
some time. And you know, this is a person of

(37:18):
significant ambition and as a result, the idea that he
could go in this direction, I don't think is implausible.
The idea that the Israelis would think that this would
be like one of the this would be the moby
dick of all flips that they could achieve getting someone
like Adnadeinjad to flip to their side. I think it
is something that is so attractive that I wouldn't at

(37:39):
all pull it beyond them that they would try.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
Now the rest of the story. Did he actually flip?

Speaker 10 (37:45):
Was it that he changed his mind after his house
accidentally got bombed, or is it that he changed This
was never sincere from his end at the outset that
this was actually a double effort. I have no idea,
and I don't know if we ever will find out,
but I do want to note that it does appear
that he is in some form of a house arrest
in Ivan. He was not seen for most of the

(38:07):
war until he was seen surrounded by bodyguards during the funeral.
People I've spoken to in Iran have also said that
they find this plausible, and I think given the penetration
that the Israelis have had of the Ivanian system, again,
it is impossible to say that this is just a
complete impossibility, this could never have happened. But nevertheless, some

(38:31):
core elements of this may be true, but rather the
larger framing of it is still unclear to me as
to whether this was really an effort by him to
flip to that side, or if this was something more
complicated than that. One thing I want to add to
I think the biggest loser, the person that probably is
feeling the worst reading that New York Times story is Rezapalaiti.

(38:53):
After everything he did to sell out to these Raelis
and find out that they were actually more inclined to
go with Agnadeineja than with him, tells you a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Incredible and just as a reminder for audience who may
be younger, don't remember the details. I mean, he was
a hardliner when he was president. He was really held
up as this global villain. We pulled a little throwback
clip of Netanyahoo talking about Achmadinajad at the UN.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

Speaker 11 (39:19):
Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust. Alie spoke from
this podium. To those who refused to come, and to
those who left in protest, I commend you. You stood

(39:40):
up from more clarity, and you brought honor to your countries.
But to those who gave this Holocaust denier a hearing,
I say, on behalf of my people, the Jewish people
and decent people everywhere. Have you know, have you no decency?

(40:09):
A mere six decades after the Holocaust? You give legitimacy
to a man who denies the murder of six million
Jews while promising to wipe out the state of Israel
the state of the Jews.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
And he's not lying there.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I mean, Amena job was slash is question mark a
Holocaust denier. It reminds me very much of the flip
of al Jelani from terrorists to hey, we'll work with him.
He's president of Syria. Come to the US. We'll lift sanctions,
you know, as long as you let Israel what they do,
what they want to do in occupying portion of Syria.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (40:45):
And look, also keep one thing in mind. The Israelis,
in the early years of them forming their state, recruited
a lot of Nazis from Germany, to help build up
their weapons systems.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
So there's a long.

Speaker 10 (40:58):
History of the Israelies setting aside those things. You can
call it pragmatic, you can say that it shows that
the accusation of anti Semitism is allow. They're okay with
them as long as they help Israel advance Israel's interest.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
But there's a long history of this. So again, there's
a lot of in this lot.

Speaker 10 (41:15):
Going on in this story, as you said, Sagara, but
at the same time, a lot of it that is
not implausible.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
The last thing that I wanted to ask you about
the story is they also talk about this plan to
arm and train Iranian Kurdish opposition. You know, they're based
in northern Iraq. They're supposed to cross into western Iran
hold territory there move toward Tehran. This is something Trump
has gestured toward multiple times. This part of the plan
also seems to have completely fallen apart for whatever reason,

(41:43):
never materialized. I'm also wondering if some of these pieces
are why Trump was so convinced that this would be
a three four day bombing campaign and then it would
be all done and dusted and New Iran congratulate new
pro American pro Israeli Iran would be bored.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
It may probably very well have been part of the
reason why he was under disillusion this would take four days.
But even if they had managed to arm the Kurds,
and even if they had gone in and and invaded
Iran from northern Iraq, it would not frankly have mattered.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
This would not have been a three to four day ordeal.

Speaker 10 (42:20):
This was stopped primarily by the Turks and Iraq's northern
Kurdish government themselves realizing what a disaster it would be
and the high price that Kurdistan in northern Iraq would
pay because of the Iranian retaliation.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
So it was a fantasy on all sides regardless.

Speaker 10 (42:37):
In some ways, Trump got lucky that this element of
the plan never was fully implemented, because it would probably
have made the situation worse for everyone without changing the
the final outcome.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
My last question for you, sir, the Israel you know, basically,
you know issue like that belies all of this. We
actually have not seen a resumption of the bombing between
the too. We have not seen, at least for now,
a full scale resumption of what we previously saw in Lebanon,
and with Hesbola, So that also seems to be underlying

(43:09):
this whole thing, but of course can rear its head
at any moment. How do you see the Israeli a
factor in all of this going forward? Right now we've
only talked about the United States and Iran, but what
about israel.

Speaker 11 (43:23):
I?

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Think it's a great question.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
I do wonder whether natania who wants to keep a
lower profile on this issue. I mean, if he's getting
if Trump is starting the war on its own, perfect
for NATANIAO. He doesn't have to have his fingerprints on it.
He doesn't have to be accused of having pushed Trump
in that direction. So if Trump himself is going that direction,
why would Nataniello interfere? Now can Israel at some point

(43:47):
join the war? Perhaps the thinking is that it's actually
better that it doesn't, that it leaves it as an
Ivanni in the American war that Trump himself fully owns.
But also keep in mind, he's supposedly going to come
here this week, and there's a lot on agenda, and
if he had shown up here three weeks ago, he
would have shown up as a loser, as someone who
dragged Trump into the wrong war, who told him fairy

(44:09):
tales of what would happen. Who is unpopular at home,
is facing difficulties. Was heavily criticized because the US and
Yvon signed a memorandum that really went is against Israeli
interested in Lebanon instead. He's now showing up and he's
going to say, hey, I told you so. I told
you that you can't do diplomacy with the Iranians, and
I told you shouldn't give them these things in Lebanon,
et cetera. So it's remarkable how much his fortunes have

(44:33):
shifted just in three weeks.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Right, very true, doctor Tree de Parsi, thank you, as
always for your analysis, Very much appreciated.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
Thanks so much for having me appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
We have another ice killing, this one in Maine to
sadly report on this morning. This comes on the heels
of a very similar incident that unfolded in Houston last week.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Of course, this is going to be disturbing.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
We do have some video here in some detail here
that are quite quite horrifying. Let's go ahead and put
the video up on the screen.

Speaker 11 (45:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You can see here this white car that is sort
of slowly circling, uh, This is the car that the victim,
a twenty six year old from Columbia who appears to
have been applying for asylum war on his status in
a moment. These appeared to be the moments after he
had already been shot in the head. As we learned

(45:26):
with the Renee Good case, you know, if you're shot
and killed, the car does not immediately stop. That is
why it is circling here slowly so you don't actually
hear the gunfire.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
In this video. This appears to be the.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Aftermath of what occurred here. From this stop. We have
another video that has been circulating as well, where after
they bring the car to a stop, they actually pull
him out of the vehicle and handcuff him, even though
he had already been shot in the head. There are
also reports that his wife and young child came quickly

(45:59):
to the scene and witnessed all of this. Just absolutely
horrifying situation. We're also getting details of both from authorities
of their claims of what unfolded here and also from eyewitnesses.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Let's put C three.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Up on the screen. This is the Ice statement, which
I think is quite noteworthy. Actually, Ice responds to the
officer involved shooting in Maine. On July thirteen, twenty twenty six,
at approximately seven am Eastern time, ICE was conducting targeted
surveillance on the last known address of an illegal alien
with a final order of removal. An illegal alien departed
the residence in a vehicle. ICE law enforcement attempted to

(46:36):
conduct a vehicle stop. The vehicle attempted to flee the scene,
and fearing for public safety, an officer discharged his weapon.
The reason I emphasized this is because in previous cases
they've insisted that the officer was actually in danger and
that was the justification for the shooting. Here they said

(46:57):
they feared for public safety and that they fired their
weapon because of this. Now, this is against any sort
of protocol. Also, this particular man, this twenty six year
old Columbian, he was not the target of the investigation.
So this is just some random guy that they were
aggressively pulling over. That is an extraordinary admission here that

(47:19):
the officers themselves did not claim to feel in danger. Nevertheless,
they shot him anyway. The driver of the vehicle was struck.
Emergency services were immediately contacted. He passed away from his injuries.
The Biddeford Police Department and FBI responded to the scene.
DHSOIG has been notified and like all discharge of firearms,
this will be investigated as developing situation and we will

(47:40):
update the public when more information is available. Let's go
back to C two. This is what a witness on
the scene claimed. Daniel Bouchet was getting ready for work
Monday morning when he heard what sounded like fireworks going
off outside of his home near downtown Biddeford. He rushed
to the window, where he saw an SUV trying to
ram a small white car in the intersection. Moments later,

(48:00):
agents investop the car and pulled the driver out. He
was bleeding profusely from the head, Bouchet said later Monday morning,
he was talking. He said, I tried to stop. Those
appear to have been his final words. If this account
is correct. Boucha watched in disbelief as the man's life
stop moving as he lay on the ground. He believes
he watched him die. What we know about this man

(48:23):
not that this really changes anything. Based on the details
of the incident. This would not be justified no matter
who this was. But what we know of him is
as I said before, he was not the target of
this operation, So this is just some random man that
they're pulling over. He was appears to have been applying
for asylum. He had a work permit, He had been

(48:43):
issued a Social Security number, which is typical during the
asylum process. That doesn't mean he had legal status, but
typically the way that this works is your granted a
work permitt you can work, you're paying your taxes, that's
why you get the social Security number, and then you're
waiting for your claim to be adjudicated. This of course
caused a major political uproar, major uproar in general in

(49:04):
the State of main huge protests. We've got a statement
from the Main Ag. We can put that up on
the screen C four, basically just indicating that there is
going to be an investigation, of thorough investigation. There have
also been already significant protests outside of Susan Collins's office
and she has put out sager a very sort of

(49:27):
milk toast statement here. The shooting in Biddeford requires a
full and impartial investigation of what happened. It is my
understanding that the Biddeford police have secured the site and
that the FBI is investigating. No mention of Ice here whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
You know, the.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Most Susan Collins statement you can possibly imagine. And of
course many people are pointing out she was the deciding
vote on the latest tranch of ICE seventy billion dollars
in Ice.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Hoel.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I tell you, I am so shocked by this because
I was telling you all behind the scenes. I was
in this town. I was in this town, and I'll
tell you it's the widest town I've ever been too.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
So when I saw small proportion of immigrants.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I'm and I'm not kidding, like they have a Walmart, grocery,
no offense, Spittiford, shout up. I liked it there, like
that's where I was charging my car. But it's literally
like we're talking about grocery store, a couple of restaurants.
It was not a big town. So when I saw
Ice shooting in bitter is it Bittiford? Was it? I
was just there. This is crazy. Actually, can we put
C three back up on the screen, the Ice statement,

(50:21):
These guys are hit and we all know it. This
is this is a disaster because if you parse this language,
when they say ICE was conducting targeted surveillance on a
last known address, of an illegal alien. They then say
an illegal alien. Do you notice that not the illegal alien.
So what they're saying is a different person departed a
residence in a vehicle. They then continue about the attempted

(50:44):
to conduct a vehicle stop, but this vehicle attempting to
flee the scene. Fearing for public safety, it officer discharged
this weapon. They missed. This means I was reading some
of the initial protocol the You should keep in mind
this statement was not issued until six forty one pm yesterday.
The shooting took place at seven am. There was also

(51:04):
a very noteworthy incident. Stephen Miller was on CNN in
the interim between these two. Normally he is the one too.
They deserved it. The guy fired his weapon. He said, quote,
I have not been briefed on the shooting, which I
think we all know that's bullshit. So there are two things.
The fact that Miller and the White House did not
immediately come out to try to justify it. Two that

(51:26):
this Ice statement basically acknowledges two different things. That they
were going for a final order of removal against something.
Let's explain what that is. Final order of removal means
a judge has found like you have no legitimate claim
to asylum and you got to go yeah where It's
like exactly, it's like you a final order. The legal
system has decided like you have no you have no
even more recourse, and it's you need to be arrested.

(51:49):
Right I'm not. We don't know about the details. This
is a different person, as you said, But what they
say that is extremely problematic for them is fearing for
public safety. I have asked a lawyer, there is no
statute of deadly force or fearing for public safety or
I guess there has been a very different circumstance in terms.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Of it would have to be like it's a murderer
and it has a going to commit another crime right now.
This is a random guide. We don't even know who
it is who we're trying to pull over.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
So I think I think they're hit. I think this
you know this is this is like the Alex Pretty
case because and the reason why, again I talked to
somebody who was infamiliar with the internal process, is when
you took twelve hours, that means that the internal FBI
review and the turnover to OIG, they made it so
that the initial determination is like there's no way that

(52:39):
you had a legitimate fear, and I guess they didn't
even try to claim it initially. The second thing, which
is very noteworthy in this entire thing, is it took place,
as you said in the this could not have happened
at a worst possible time for Susan Collins, who was
and I'm not you know, but obviously it's a major
political issue. Yes, it's main and we're in the middle

(52:59):
of the whole Platner situation. This is a disaster for
the Republican but Susan Collins was riding high. She has
a massive war ch hat's got like thirty million dollars
in the bank. Obviously Republicans love a whole Democrats in
disarray situation. A lot of the main Democrats and who
talks to them? The Platiner people, they're all and they're
not furious, but there they feel super dejected. And then this,

(53:21):
I mean, could you have asked for a greater gift
if you are Troy Jackson, Niarofshah or any of these people,
every major candidate. I believe we have their statements, right,
don't we about all of these c seven? Can we
just to show everybody we have multiple of these potentials
who are running to replace Graham as the Democratic nominee,

(53:41):
who have all come out with Here's Dan Kleeban from
main beer company. Ice has been out of control since
Trump took office. We're seeing the devastating tragic consequences here
in Maine. Is enough is enough? While we wait to
learn what happened in Biddeford, A fatal shooting involving federal
agents is horrifying and the last thing any maner expects
to wake up to. He said, I in the Senate,
I will hoote. I will vote to hold Ice accountable

(54:03):
and finally provide accountability for murdering people. This shit has
to stop. Go to the next one. This was Shanna Bellows.
She says federal agents were involved in a fatal shooting
in Bideford this morning. Someone is dead. I want to details,
but this is the eleventh fatal shooting. It's time to
get Ice off of our streets. And then we also
have here Troy Jackson, who is the Progressive nominee who

(54:26):
straight up says abolish ize solidarity forever. Let's take a
listen to that.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
Hey, everyone, you know we just got the sad news.
That it looks like there's been yet another deadly shooting
and ICE was involved. This time was right in our
backyard in Biddeford. My heart is with the people of Biddeford,
the people of Maine. You know, they need answers. We
all need answers, and we deserve to know what happened here.

(54:52):
So we're going to go down to be with the
community in Bideford at Mechanics Pirk at noon. If you're
able to please join us.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
What we need to know is why this escalated, whether
body cameras were warn whether those body cameras were activated,
and what led to a catastrophic outcome and what has
otherwise been described as a routine stop. What must not
be allowed to happen is that deaths of this nature,
which have become all too common in Donald Trump's America

(55:23):
at the hands of federal ICE agents, that those deaths
become normalized. That must not be allowed to happen. My
question is simple, how many more people must be fatally
shot and murdered by ICE agents before we admit that
it is time for a change.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So that was ni Av Shah, who was a former
Biden CDC director. But yeah, this is a political disaster
obviously for the Republicans who are in the state, who
were riding high. And the fact is is that ICE
immediately i mean not acknowledging what exactly what they've done,
but not offering any real defense. That's part of the

(56:04):
reason why most of the time in the aftermath of
these things you can see maga people be like, oh,
you deserved it, you know, comply or don seeing some
of that, but you're gonna see yah. But you saw
it before the ICE statement. And then when ICE itself
comes out and is like, yeah, we didn't fear for
our life, You're like, okay, you're I mean, they're hit.
I think that that's it. I mean, there's no there
if they can't even claim in the initial justification but

(56:24):
they didn't fear and you shot somebody in fear of
public safety, good luck in court. I mean it's going
to be a real problem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Absolutely. And a few other things that are worth noting.
I mean, first of all, is very different than how
these Ice killings were handled under Christy Nolan. They you know,
immediately came out they're domestic terrorists. You know, this is
part of some grand Antifa plot. Just inventing details, even
knowing that there was a video out there that was

(56:52):
going to come out that did not comport with what
they were claiming.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
The facts did not matter.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
They wanted to use this, as you know, in a
tempt to incite and create this portrait of like left
wing out of control, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Here you have a delay.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And then an effective acknowledgment, not that we know that
they're being truthful, but I mean this is de facto
and acknowledgment that they completely fucked up, that this was
wildly unjustified, and so that is very different. The other
thing that's worth noting is that you know, this comes,
these two shootings back to back, now come on the
heels of a push to surge the number of arrest

(57:29):
to two thousand a day that's been you know, this
new quota that's been implemented that they've been pushing for.
And so I don't think it's any surprise that in
the heels of ICE getting a neutralansh of funding and
then the push for this aggressive arrest quota that you
have you know, horrifying killings such as this. And then
the other thing I mentioned that there were some similarities

(57:49):
between these two shootings, one in Houston and now this
one in Maine. First of all, both involved you know,
motor vehicles, and we've had other incidents as well where
ICE has fired or other you know, CBP or other
allied agencies have fired in.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
These motor vehicle stops.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
The second thing that they have in common is in
both instances, the men that they that they shot and
killed were not the target of operations. So again these
were just I see someone, they look to me like
they might be undocumented. I'm going to pull them over
in this hyper aggressive way too, which I'll come back
to in a moment. And then the third thing, and
this is really quite damning, no body cameras in either incident.

(58:31):
No body cameras. So the footage we have both from Houston,
which has been cobbled together from various like doorbell ring
cameras and other security cameras.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
In the area.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And then this footage that we have, which again happens,
you know, is from an eyewitness that happens after the
shooting has already occurred. None of this is coming from
official outlets because either they didn't have body cameras at all,
which at this point, what are we doing you have
unlimited funding for this agency and you don't even have
body cameras.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Or there's also.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Some reporting that these guys will intentionally leave the body
cameras behind or turn them off because they don't want
to face that sort of accountability.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
They don't want.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
To have that official record of here's how this all
went down. We know in a previous case in Chicago,
in the killing of Marmar that we covered that it
was the body camera footage which really proved that they
had completely invented the chain of events, that she was
thoroughly vindicated. And so they look at that and they go, Okay, well,
we just won't wear them, or we just won't we

(59:36):
just won't turn them on, and then we don't have
to worry about that level of accountability.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I also think to the point about Iran destroying Trump's presidency,
the fact is is that they're responding from a position
of total weakness. Is that ultimately they previously felt immense
popular ground to be able to fight on the issue
of immigration. To compare the difference between then and now,
but when you see now like how muted their response

(01:00:02):
is the immediate admission of city, not culpability, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Of between the lines.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Again, it's effectively an admission is we went to go
capture somebody else, We went to go arrest somebody else.
Another person came out. There's no claim of like that
that they were ever in fear for their lives. That's
usually the statement that you read, the officer fearing for
his life. It's like, no in fear of public safety,
that is, you know, I mean again, like I imagine

(01:00:28):
local PD if somebody put out a statement like that,
we all know which way that that would go. This
is also coming on the heels. I don't know if
you saw this. Renee Goods family has reported that all
of the information evidence that was in possession of the
FEDS was actually turned over to Ministate, SODA state authorities
as of yesterday. Also, I do think it's incredibly noteworthy

(01:00:52):
that in the statement that ICE initially note issued that
their only mission was a detention of somebody with a
final order of removal, which is something that they've been
accelerating and been trying to do, which is aka the
right way. Right, It's very hard to dispute here. We
have somebody who's going through asylum. People know my feelings
about asylum, but My point is like, if you have

(01:01:14):
a final removal, there's really not a lot more to discuss. Yeah,
the judge has ruled like you have no right to
be here and got to go, and so then it's
very difficult for activists and others to get all upset
about it. So I think you see that they were
already and kind of they are already gone back on
the way that they were using their tactics. Then when

(01:01:34):
the situation goes bad, they take twelve hours to issue
a statement. And then you also have it seems that
Mark Wayne Mullen, the DHS secretary, was on the phone
to Susan Collins and to Angus Kinning admitting a lot
of the problems that were there initially. So I do
think it's a huge retrenchment from where they previously were
on the issue of immigrant and this also again it
highlights to the extent to which all of this together

(01:01:58):
leads to. I mean, you know, in Maine, obviously it's
a tiny little state. I was just there literally the
you know Rocanna was talking about feeling is race. I'm
not saying I discriminated again, obviously it was not, but
you feel it when you're in the grod. When you're
walking around a grocery store in Beddeford, You're like, man,
there any anybody else?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
It's like, I'm from Texas, where forty percent of the
people are not white, so it's it's it's a weird situation.
So yeah, to see an ice situated like happen this
in Maine, I'm like, oh, man, I can only imagine
how this will activate the local population. Yea there, because
I mean there were not a ton of political signs
up in Maine that I tended to notice, but it

(01:02:37):
is a unique place with a real identity of kind
of like leave us alone. You know, we live in
this gorgeous homeland and all this is like don't come
and bottom wants come to live in New Hampshire, live
free or die, almost type five. So to have something
like this, I think it's going to be a huge,
huge problem. Yeah, on the heels of Platinum dry.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Well because it also it also just reminds of why
Susan Collins for all of her you know, her main
niceness and the way that she knows so many people
in the state personally, which is what has really been
her political teflon is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
When it comes down to it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
She provides these key votes for Trump on things like
ice funding that the majority of mayners, which is generally
a blue state, the majority of maynors overwhelmingly opposed. I mean,
this is a state that did not vote for Trump,
and it was not particularly close. So when you have
a reminder of hey, this is the these are the
sorts of things. This lady, who may seem kind of

(01:03:33):
nice and you may have met her before, this is
what she's enabling. Yeah, it's you know, it's it's dire politically,
and you know, not that that's the most important thing,
but that is an obvious outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Right, But the tian just can't be ignored. And then
that's kind of what I meant, is that the problem
for the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Because he sticks up on the screenwall Soccer's pocket just
so you can see the protests that we're talking about
here outside of Collins office.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
So this is I think these were actually at Bitddeford
at her local Senate office. The reason why I'm bringing
this up is because the base, the greatest fear of
the Trump administration is not losing the House. They know
that's going to happen, but if they lose the House
and the Senate, and they really were riding high this
week after Platnir dropped out. Is they know not only

(01:04:21):
is impeachment on the table, but that they will never
pass a budget period whenever it comes to anything right
in tern like war ice, anything that they possibly want
to do. So to have an incident like this and
so invigorating for the Democrats in Maine at this exact
critical moment. It will be used not only to get

(01:04:44):
the nomination, but it will also be boosted for a
Maine Democratic Party till up until November and we already
still have high gas prices. You also mentioned the incident
in Houston where guess what, we just had Ken Paxton
get the nomination, who himself is a devunt i say,
divisive controversial figure. Well apparently it was in the UK
on July fourth. What's up with that? And some Texan

(01:05:07):
in London spotted him in the middle of London on
July fourth. What's going on here? Ken?

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
James Tallarico also I just saw yesterday had put out
some new border plan. It's very you know, it's classic.
You know, we're going to hire more classic like lib
immigration stuff. But my point is that sounds okay to
a lot of the Democrats currently in Texas, in the
middle of what just happened in Houston and without you know,

(01:05:34):
John Cornyn and the respectability and all. This is not
a justification. I'm just saying that. Politically same in Texas,
that's the true nightmare scenario if things were to go
that way. I still don't think they will. I don't
think I don't think he's gonna win, but things like this,
he has raised tens of millions of dollars. And this
also means that the new main candidate, whoever it is,
Troy Jackson, who be it, they themselves also will be

(01:05:57):
massively like a massive investment, not just from the Democratic
Senatorial Committee, but from grassroots activists and others. So these
two things, it's it's a huge problem because a lot,
a lot of it had faded up until now. I
Ron had been the yeah, yes, it's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
They also, you know, I think you're right about Iran
killing his presidency. We've talked about that before, but also
post Minneapolis.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
You know, I mean that's really true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
That really was a turning point significantly. I mean that's
when you saw his numbers, which he'd kind of held
on on immigration, they were like roughly fifty to fifty.
It's still his best app Yeah, but now he's underwater
and everything including that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I mean, maybe on if you said just border security,
he might still be above water. But on the issue
of immigration, that's where you really saw a public change
in the way that they were seeing this, because it
was unfolding before their eyes in a way that they
found to be thoroughly unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
And you know, this man in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Who was here, he was who was killed by ice,
Like I said, in a similar situation. You know, I
don't think the vast majority of Americans, when they were
moving in a more hardline immigration direction, even that. And
I don't think they thought, like we should prioritize this
guy who's been here for thirty six years, who has
American citizen kids, who's been you know, a no criminal record,
upstanding citizen, et cetera. But even if it was someone

(01:07:11):
who was a recent arrival and who the public might
be more comfortable with deportation, they certainly aren't comfortable with,
you know, shooting him dead in his in his vehicle.
And you know, I've just been thinking about, like if
I'm you know, a normal person driving my car and
I have these unmarked cars aggressively, you know, pull up
in front of you and chasing you and trying I

(01:07:33):
don't know that I would be thinking like, oh, it's immigration,
I need to pull over. I might be thinking like, what,
you know, this person's trying to rob me. They're trying
to crash my car. I don't you know. And so
that's another dynamic here. We shouldn't be surprised when some
of the people who are being targeted, who are again
not like there's not a warn now, they're not a target.
They're just random people like going about their lives that

(01:07:56):
they don't react in the precise ideal manner because because
the approach to them is so aggressive and out of
the norms of what they've ever experienced before.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Like, I don't know how I would handle that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Either, I get it, and I have to be honest,
you know, I've had to sit and really think about
all this a lot because I believe in very hardline
immigration enforcement. I do, and you know, it drives me
crazy when people talk about, oh, twenty six year old
Biteford man, I'm like, no, he's from Columbia, and he
was applying for a asylum like, you're not from Biddeford,
actually you move there and you're claiming asylum. And by

(01:08:29):
the way, in my opinion, ninety nine point five percent
of asylum claims are bullshit. Now at the same time,
and this gets to the ultimate tension. I think for
a lot of my politics is a protection of American liberty,
but also order, an order lee society, and I don't
I'm part of the reason why I was so upset

(01:08:50):
about the Biden situation was it was disorderly, not just
at the border. There is chaos when tens of millions
of people are running around your country illegally. It's insanity.
And not to even mention this social chaos of like
people who don't speak English and all that. And I've
gotten into all of this like over and over again.
The Federal Reserve report which recently came out talking about
immigration's effect on housing not the number one issue, but

(01:09:10):
it was certainly was in terms of supply and demand.
At the same time, you know, the way these guys
act is absolutely insane, and that's part of the problem
that we've seen. There are a lot of social ills
as well. Whenever it comes to the way I mean
in terms of the media coverage. And remember even the
whole Alex Peretti situation, I said it was a disaster,

(01:09:31):
not disaster, was a completely undusified They executed him in
the street undustly. He also was like a genuine violent
left wing activist, like it was on camera of him
kicking and destroying property. That part I will never be
and find acceptable. So it is an ultimate tension. I
do think a lot of people who share my politics
and feelings on this situation. Whenever it comes to Trump,

(01:09:52):
there's just no longer a benefit of the doubt right
whenever it comes to Ice and to the administration. Because
in early days we could say look, not only we
like literally we voted for this, like the sign said
mass deportation. We've also know that many of these activists
and others will lie flagrantly about the way that things

(01:10:14):
go down. They'll never you know, they'll find a guy
who's a murdered rapist and still say, oh, he was
an angel or whatever and never should have gone anywhere.
But now after you know, Houston and Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Seacott,
that was my personal breaking point. You're like guys like,
you know, you can't take any of this shit to
the bank. So then, now where do we go from here?

(01:10:36):
I don't know. I mean my greatest fear is I
think we're gonna swing completely in the other direction, like
literal anarchy. And you're like, okay, I mean, you know,
abolish ice, fine, but you know, somebody's got arrest the
criminal who's supposed to be here illegally. How's that going
to work? Is there going to be a political constituency
for that? Are we just going to allow people across
the border? Are we just going to give everybody's citizenship,
We're not going to give a shit if anybody speaks
English anymore. That seems to be the way that things

(01:10:58):
are trending. And I do think, you know, that's a look,
that's a Democratic party problem. They got to figure all
of that out. But I don't know. It has really
made me reassess though, because like Flock, for example, I
think fifteen years ago I would have supported flock cameras.
I really do, because yeah, I mean even today, I
passed two fent heads on the way here. It drives
me crazy when you walk my kid around and there's

(01:11:18):
a guy taking a shit in the middle of the
street literally fills me with rage. I'm like, why do
I pay property tax and income tax? And this is
the nonsense that I have around here. But I also
know with the resumpt of this surveillance state and others,
it's like, how do we have the balance where we
have a private company and shot what is it called
shot spotter or whatever? Again ten years ago would have

(01:11:39):
been like, yeah, that's good, But I also know that
we're all literally under mass AI surveillance. Yeah, and under
oligarical capitalism where these private companies have it's not even
the state necessarily with any democratic input. I know this
is all very long winded, but this I mean, I
don't know. I mean, this is how we are and
have to talk in the future because we all got
to live together.

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
I appreciate you taking the time to explain the way
your thinking has evolved over the course of the administration.
And I don't know if this is the case or
this is just me projecting my own cares and concerns
about the country onto other people. But you mention the
way that you're you know, you're thinking on this AI
German surveillance is different from how it might have been
in a previous time. And I also think that the

(01:12:19):
rise of AI and the clear demonstration of the power
of these tech oligarchs, I think it also diminishes the
the the I guess animated impact of immigration, the sense
that this is like the top issue, because when you
look at these tech oligarchs, they're out there saying like,
we literally want to replace all of human labor. That

(01:12:42):
takes some of the staying out of like Jose is
going to take your job in the kitchen. You know,
It's like, okay, we could debate that whether that's true
or not, but we know for sure these guys are
like out and out telling us and they have way
more power than Jose in the kitchen does. So I
think that that also shifts the landscape. I've also said
that I think that the Epstein files and the way
that that created sort of a weird class consciousness also

(01:13:03):
changes things. But the aipiece in general, when you have
the richest and most powerful people, not just in the country,
in the world who are like, our mission in life
is to make it so you don't have a job,
and we're going to buy up all the assets so
you have to run from US and you have no choice.
Then it's sort of like, Okay, well, you know, I
immigration is no longer my top issue. Dealing with these

(01:13:26):
people seems like the number one priority for now. So
I don't know if that changes the landscape of the
sense around this either.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
But I don't know to class consciousness point. I mean,
it's going to be hard to have class consciousness if
we don't all speak the same language. And I know
people get uncomfortable about this, but it's true, like if
you don't speak English in my I mean, I think
you've said before there should be English language requirement for citizenship,
Like I just see how I do not see how
we can all live together. I wouldn't don't speak the

(01:13:53):
same lefe if.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
It was me designing it, I wouldn't require it. But
it would be a compromise I'm willing to make, is
what I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
But like talk to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
You know, But here's what I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It's like, you know what we've seen over the past,
and I you know, I'm not looking to get in
enough yet another immigration by with you here, because I
am just interested in hearing the way you're thinking is evolved.
But what we've seen over the course of the past
number of decades is that actually the assimilation process happens
more rapidly than it did in previous generations. You have
fewer of these ethnic enclaves where people just live in

(01:14:26):
their own world and they never learn the language, et cetera. Usually,
you know, the parents are immigrants, they may not learn
the language fully. The kids are American and basically assimilate
completely to American culture, for better or worse, by the way,
which you know, sometimes American culture loses something from the
original immigrant tradition.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Yeah, but if you don't want it, then don't come here.
You know, this is this is who we are. Yeah again,
I don't. It doesn't need to get into a whole debate.
The problem I have is that when we have vast
enclaves and then no expectation around English, then you end
up in Miami people who are literally born and raised Myami.
They don't speak English when you land in Miami, and yeah, look,
maybe this is just me. I feel like I should

(01:15:05):
drive everybody crazy. And you call an uber and the
guys like, I've lived here for forty years and I
don't speak a lick of English. You're like, this is insane.
I mean, is that going to be all of America?

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I don't want it to be that way. I used to.
I thought most of us agreed it shouldn't be that way,
Like there should be some expectation of citizenship and of
common like understanding that usually is how the citizenship process
has been for all time. I don't think it's going
to be like that in the next administration if it's
a democratic administration, and I mean, honestly, that scares the
shit out of me. But that's the question ultimately of

(01:15:37):
in the future, we are going to have to come
to some sort of understanding of what public order of citizenship,
of what public order citizenship and immigration itself as an
understanding of what it means to be American. That will
be the biggest fight ever I think actually in politics,
and the fact that I will always be enraged to
the Trump administration for doing this is for handling not

(01:15:59):
just on war, because I mean, war was the ultimate
betrayal in my opinion, but here in this one particular
one which is under discussed is just like the George W.
Bush administration by invading a rocket destroying its entire cause,
like there are genuine people out there who had supported
the Bush administration and the other things that have freely
admitted that the war in Iraq killed any of their
ability to make a case for many of the other

(01:16:21):
things that w had run on. I feel like that's
now the case with immigrat. It's been so disaster, like
people are basically going to say, well, we tried it
your way, the hard line way, and this is what happened,
so we have to go in another direction. And I
don't think it needed to be like this at all.
In fact, I know it didn't need to be like this.
I've spoken with some people in the Admin, and by

(01:16:41):
doing this, they have created a situation where I actually think,
you know, crazily enough, the worst case scenarios that they
would always say that they're like the Left is going
to do in twenty twenty three. I'm like, you made
that a reality, dude, Like you actually made it so
that that is now probably what is going to happen.
And I don't know if there's come back from it,
to be honest, after seeing things like this, because I

(01:17:03):
don't blame people who are like, hey, we voted and
then we listened to the way you said, and people
started getting shot, and it was it all became totally nuts.
And you know, the current right wing response to a
lot of people who are like myself is you're a pussy.
You know, this is what it takes. And I'm like, well, actually,
I don't really think. So there's a lot of different
ways that you could have gone about this, which I've

(01:17:23):
outlined here many times here on the show. And they're like, oh,
that would have been you know, oh that's you know,
cuck behavior or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I'm like, all right, well, congratually by handing the reins
over to Stephen Miller really gave a lot of credence
to liberal argument that this is like, you know, white
nationalists to its core when the only asylum seekers that
you're admitting are white South Africans. And even Trump is
like Steven Miller would want the entire country to look
like him effectively, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
That even as a Jew. So it's like it's complicated
whenever it comes to Steven. I actually think it's a
little too reductive. What I would say the bigger problem
with the administration on immigration is is they went for
all out enforcement without actually doing without without in the
most convenient for the way for them possible. What I
mean by that is super easy to go and arrest people.

(01:18:11):
You know, it's not easy is to is to either
indict and or audit Marriott Hotels and say why are
you guys employing all of these illegals all their big donors, or.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
To build up the government apparatus mechanisms that would be
required to for example, handle asylum in like a reasonable
time frame where it's not just you know, we're going
to go, let's just go round people up at the
Lowser home depot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
The other the mandatory verify guess what that would destroy
multiple fortune five hundred companies. I still support it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I don't care, but you know, and you know who
would oppose that Trump No, I know that Immer Labor. Yeah,
And just to one Lingering thought that to go back
to your Texas point, you know, there is an assumption,
was an assumption in Texas that Republicans would hang on
to something approaching the Trump margins with Latinos in Texas.
That's what the jerrymander was based on. And there was

(01:19:01):
just this poll of Hispanic business owners in Texas who
now favor Talla Rico and part of what they're saying
is basically like, yeah, the immigration stuff is a problem
for me as as a business owner, but also, you know,
in sort of like cultural solidarity. So in any case,
you know, very too tragic, unnecessary and criminal killings of

(01:19:24):
immigrants here once again, and very much potential political backlash.
I think unfolding in states that are crucial for the
Republicans cimat.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
It will be a big, big problem. I actually think
this could be. I'm not going to call it on
Susan Collins because she's always been wiye and able to
but I don't see a path, you know, if they not, I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Feel the same way. I think things are two partisan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Kyle and I disagree on this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
He's he's concerned that, you know, with Platiner being pulled
in the messiness, et cetera. But I just think she
was able to hang on for a long time based
on just person only knowing people in the state. I
just think partisan like hardening has gotten to the point
now where that is not going to be sufficient, and
almost no matter who they nominate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
That works if you're a governor. It doesn't work when
you're in the US Senate and you've got to take
national votes, like, that's the problem is because everything is
national now, this whole Oh but I got a bridge
built in Augusta. People are like, listen, I don't give
a shuit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yeah, And how many more Trump insanities is she going
to have to? Like, I'm concerned her way through were
probably going to get another one on Thursday when he
does whatever he's going to do with the election. Shit
and New War, I mean all this stuff. So and
she's going to have to answer for all of that
throughout the campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
It's going to be very

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Difficult for her to She supports the wars, Yeah, I
guess that one's not a problem for

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