July 6, 2026 • 60 mins
Ryan and Emily discuss Netanyahu war with Israeli courts, Iran mourns Ayatollah.
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We are going to start with Natanyahu, who did an
interview on Fox News yesterday.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
We're celebrating the fourth of July.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Who else would we talk to but Benjamin Netanya, who
the representative of our final congressional district. This might Cockabe
recently put it, so you really say that, yes he did,
we are he said, Jerusalem was. But we are going
to get into a little bit of the political problems
at home for Nazianna who as well today, right because
those are starting to mount as well.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The funeral pulled off a coup basically will so well, well, we.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Have a guest who's going to break that down for us.
But also we're going to be talking about the funeral
held in Iran this weekend, along with some updates in
Lebanon and updates and Iran as well. But you're going
to want to see the images and hear some quotes
from the funeral that was held for Comeni this weekend.
So lots to get into on that. Trump gave a
(02:45):
big Fourth of July speech. Mom Donnie also gave a
Fourth of July speech, kind of dueling speeches. It was
interesting that Mom Donnie's was so.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So right way it was. It was a huge topic
of discussion and almost to.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
The point where he became the leader of the left
as Trump is the leader of the right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Like it's almost over.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
It's almost like the dueling figures in American politics right
now Mayor of New York City. So we have lots
to break down from that big, big news out of
Michigan yesterday where Mallory mcmorro dropped out of the race.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That was kind of a spoiler for the segment the Abundance.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Well, I think since it's news, I think we can
spoil news. The Abundance candidate has has dropped out, leaving
Elsaiahed and Haley Stevens as the remaining as the remaining
candidates in the Michigan Senate race. We'll talk about how
that happened, what it means. And then Trump for once
used his powers of corruption for the United States instead
(03:41):
of robbing the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He made a.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Phone call to He is the FIFA Peace Prize winner, famous,
so he has some privileges.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So he made a.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Phone call to they had a FIFA and he got
flows red card suspended.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yep, we got that. Well, the red cards still in place.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
But this is mention that afterwards is suspended, so he
will play tonight.
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He will play.
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If Belgium shows up. They're angry. How could you not
be come on, play the best players. I agree, it's fine.
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I mean, these people spend all of the time watching
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Yes, but we have finally caught on that in order
to be serious about soccer or football, you have to
be corrupt. America has arrived football scene.
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We now understand how to play this game.
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Let's get to the show.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
We're going to start now with Netta Yahu's interview on
Fox News where he's laughing off Jade Vance's claim that
Israel is losing support around the world.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Let's go ahead and take a look at a two.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government,
I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that
I have, but anywhere left in the entire world.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
What was your reaction when you heard that?
Speaker 7 (05:06):
First of all, I respect jd Vance, we have a
very good relationship, but doesn't mean that I agree with
everything that he says, and I have to point out this,
Donald Trump is great, the greatest friend we ever had
in the White House, and I stand by that completely. Secondly,
we have some other friends, like a small country called India.
(05:28):
You know, it has one point four billion people, and
boy do we have a tremendous support there. You know,
I have this Facebook thing and I'm just funded by
these by the overwhelming support there. And we have many others.
Let me tell you where we have support, because it's
fashionable now. And you know, in many countries, because their
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media and their social media are inundated with anti Israel,
anti Semitic material, many leaders you know, call me up
and say, hey, look, I've got this problem with public opinion.
But I want you to know we respect you, and
can we make some deals, and can you teach us
some of the things that your military does, and can
we have some of your AI and cyber expertise. You know,
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Israel as the number two countries in cyber in the world,
and our technology is sure, it's so good. So the
relations are not quite as they appear. And we have
we have many, many friends, and I have to tell
you we also take care of our friends, especially the
Christians in the Middle East, the Christian villages in Lebanon,
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some of them have actually asked to be a next
to Israel because we protect them against Chris Baalah fanatics
who want to kill them, and we do the same
things with Christians everywhere Christians in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Well, meanwhile, let's go ahead and take a look at
this footage from southern Lebanon over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
We can roll the next element.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You see this on your screen, Ryan, The strikes have
continued very much.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, they're diminished, reduced.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So oftentimes what Israel means by his tease fire is
that their attacks are going to be reduced from what
they were before, certainly not go to zero. So you're
seeing and we'll talk about some of the ongoing killings
in Gaza as well. But I had to listen to
that Dnyaho comment a couple times because I was like,
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did he really say it's not true that Israel is
isolated because there are a lot of Indians on Facebook
that are supportive. I went back and watched you don't
believe me, go back, scroll back watch that again. That
is in fact the argument. Think about the superpower level
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of propaganda that has come out of the Israeli government
for decades, and compare it to what NTNA who is
now saying that they are not completely globally isolated because
there are Indian bot farms basically that are whipping up
support on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Facebook.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I mean, even just citing one additional one additional country
was quite interesting from Natsanya, who's like, we have a
little friend called India.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And you should see him on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's not nothing, but it's not undermining jd Vance's point.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The Hindu nationalism that is surging in India has as
much hatred of Islam and embedded in it as Netnyahu does.
And so it's true that there's some like ideological or
whatever you would call it, sympathy there. And it is
very true that Indian social media is very supportive of Israel.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Like the all that is true.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It is just kind of embarrassing that that's the last
thing you're hanging your hat on. When he's talking about
Christian villages in southern Lebanon. You know what he you
know what Israel did say.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
To Christian villages in southern Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
If you shelter any Muslims who are fleeing from our attacks,
we will level you too. So that is the expression
of the love that Netya who says he has for
Lebanese expisasions. Also finally, Israel's in the Middle East. It's
just so odd to me that he would be that
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transparently hostile to Muslims while being in the Middle East,
Like to just transparently say, look, Christians like us, which
isn't true because they are ruthless to Christians both in
Palestine and in southern Lebanon. But even if that were true,
like to just explicitly come out and say, you've basically
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written off relations with the population of like ninety plus
percent of the Middle East, that where you exist is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Is a choice.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So what you're saying, I mean the obvious response to that,
he would say, well, there's a lot of hostility coming
towards us, except.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, he says, he's best friends or Saudi Arabia, the UAE,
he's got friends and cuts or even though some doesn't
like all the countries.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Yeah, well that's part of his political problem.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
He has a bunch of friends in Lebanon, he's got
they fund a bunch of people in Syria. He loves
the Kurds like or he claims to like. So he
claims he's got these The Abraham Accords are based on
the idea that he can coexist with all of these
other yeap some countries. But when he's being honest, he's like,
(10:23):
you know who I really like and loves India and
you should see him on Facebook. Yeah, go ahead and
look at some of the comments that these Indians are
making on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It would make Nick Fuents blush.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Also interesting that Fox News is Jackie Heinrich got that interview.
I don't want to leave the segment without noting that
her husband, Brian Fitzpatrick, they literally just got married a
couple of weeks ago. I pulled up on track a
PAC the Pennsylvania delegation. He has taken the most money
from Pro Israel packs in the entire Pennsylvania delegation, more
than Fetterman, more than Brendan Boyle, like actually by a
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huge and he's taken nine hundred and twenty four thousand,
almost a million, And that's like actually way ahead of
everybody else in the Pennsylvania delegation, which again just to note,
includes John Fetterman.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
According to the track APAC.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Numbers, Philadelphia suburbs. He's a very talented politician. He keeps
hanging on against these democratic attacks, trying to He's one
of the remaining what you would you know, outside of
supporting an extremist, genocidal state, moderate Republican.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Let's go and talk about updates from Gaza as well,
because there were some over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Let's put a four up now.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So this is doctors Abu Sofia, who was if people
will remember here, arrested in December of twenty twenty four
at kamal Ottawan Hospital. His hospital was surrounded and he
continued operating and treating patients as the as the IDF
was sacking the hospital.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
There was this famous.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Photo of him if you remember, seeing and walking across
the rubble toured an Israeli tank in order to be detained.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So that was almost two years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
At this point, all of the information that has come
out from his family and his attorneys over the preceding
succeeding time is that he has been tortured, just relentlessly,
lost an extraordinary amount of weight, and so he finally
he's been moved. He's no charges whatsoever, just administrative detention
that they just every six months. They just keep him
(12:31):
in administrative attention. So he's just a hostage. And so
he recently met with his lawyer and he's as he
got transferred to another underground prison, and he told his
lawyer quote, this is the end.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
This is the last time you'll see me. They brought
me here to kill me.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And the lawyer said he had bruises on his eyes,
his ears, his head, and there was serious fear that
he has brain bleeding from the torture that is going
that is going to kill him. And we'll talk about
this in a little bit with an Israeli journalist. The
High Court in Israel has ordered him, has ordered the
(13:16):
Ideaf to present some information about his case because there
is like serious attention on his case. A very celebrated physician,
he wrote, he wrote a column for the New York Times,
which is not a column, an op ed, which is
what people suspect is why they've been treating him so
viciously to as a as an example, like you, you
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think you're a celebrated physician who can speak in the
New York Times about what's going on in Gaza. No,
we're going to We're going to show that We're not
afraid to torture even somebody like that, And so think
about it. If we'll torture him, you, who is a
much lesser figure, who's not in the New York Times,
is not a celebrated physician like you, have no chance
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now that the Israel is going through a either a
coup or a constitual crisis. So whether they're going to
follow the orders of the Supreme Court remains to be seen.
A couple other West Bank developments that we can get
to really quickly if you want to, like a couple
a couple of crazy things where we had, you know,
you have to just repeatedly check these to be like,
(14:24):
is this is this possible?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That this is this is really going on.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
We finished with eight a five, just so anybody who
wants this is the update from UH from drop Side
about the latest killings in Godz or you can pause
that UH and and read those if you want to.
A father was killed a year ago. They just killed
his son over over the weekend, and there they.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Continue to recover bodies.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
If you can put up four killed in over the week,
you put up a six. It's horrifying footage. It's not
graphic though, it is a gut punch. This is a
checkpoint west of Ramala where a family is trying to
take their their four month to a waiting ambulance on
the other side of the checkpoint, and the Israeli soldiers
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just won't won't let the family throw and so the
ambulance just sits there on the other side of the
checkpoint helplessly. Uh and the and the and the four
month old baby died waiting. That was Akhmed Zaid from
from dere Mar, like just as a as a parent,
like it's just it's just incomprehensible to be to be
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in a situation like that.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And and for these you.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
We've all we've all encountered bureaucrats who are just like
immune to the urgency of a situation that we're in.
Usually it's not a four month old that needs emergency treatment.
And there's an ambulance on the other side of the checkpoint.
And then we have a nine another like absolutely shocking
video that I had to watch several times to figure
out what you just saw.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The Israeli soldier throw a stun gun inside a car,
stuff the door closed with people in it, and close
the door.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
An American people have mav and I say, is but
an American soldier who did that, it would be an
absolute scandal, Protests in the street, court martial investigations. And
anybody watching this program knows how I feel about the
American military. I am not its biggest champion or defender,
(16:30):
but think about that. In comparison, they make the American
military look like the most moral army in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Two And it's one thing.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Oh, if it's just a bad apple and they violated
their training, it turns out it's not. The training with
a stunt grenade is not to throw it into an
occupied car and close the door on the occupants. What's
shocking is we all know there will be no consequences
for that person.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And there will.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Be some brave people hand half a dozen who will
go out in protest. They'll get beaten. Those are heroic
Israelis who will do that. But you're talking about like
a half a dozen dozen people. There will not be
mass protests, and there will not be political backlash backlash.
There won't there won't be a reckoning. How did we
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get to a place where we're okay with a four
month old baby dying at a checkpoint and a soldier
throwing a stun grenade into a car with civilians in
it and then closing the door on it, Like, how
do we get there?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What's going on in the Israeli political system, which we've
been teasing here is quite incredible. Yes, Yes, the basically
Nenyah who has been trying to consolidate control of the media, which.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Is going on all over the world. This is this
is what you're seeing in countries.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
The Supreme Court, the High Court in Israel pushed back
against him.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
This blew up over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, and said, you said you can't do that, this
is this is illegal. You set up this fake second
commission that's over regulating the media.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
That's not the proper one.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
This is the official proper regulator, and we're reviewing this
deal where you're trying to concentrate wealth. Then Yahoo announced
over the weekend that is an illegal order. We're not
going to We're not going to follow it.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Those are Times of Israel headline in first government vows
to disobey high court ruling, setting up constitutional crisis.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Not even Trump has done this. Trump has disobeyed some
lower court rulings or kind of ignored them. Not completely
disobeyed them explicitly and then appeals to the Higher court.
Trump has never yet and hopefully he won't disobeyed a
Supreme Court ruling because once you do that, then all
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the guardrails are off, because then you're just then you're
just an unchecked authoritarian government.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Right. And you can see from this Haretz headline this
is Hertzog call it a red line and joined other
officials and pushing back against government decision to defy high
court order. And again we have a guest who's going
to break some of these internal political dynamics down for us.
But this the stakes for Detnahu were already high, and
certainly now Ryan, they're even higher.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yes, indeed, yes, sure are.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So let's bring in uh Noga Turnipalsky back to breaking
points to discuss. All right, So joining us now is
Noga Tarnopalski. It's rarely join us is Raeli journalists joining
us from Jerusalem. A lot a lot of Jay's there, Noga,
thanks so much for being.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Here, Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Shout out to Noga's cat and just walked into the
shot as well. We love cats on breaking points, So that.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Cat is Melissund, who's named for the twelfth century Queen
of Jerusalem, the only queen Jerusalem ever had.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
It's a powerful cat.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
There we go, and Noga just launched the substack BB
and beyond BB, already giving her a lot of news
for this. So tell us about this coup slash constitutional
crisis wires some people calling it a coup and what
is the constitutional crists layout for people who are kind
of new to this question.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah, okay, I'll do my best, although I just want
to start out by saying that the most serious people
I know who are addressing this, for example, professor of
constitutional law Hebrew University called Mota Kremnitzer, and the Attorney
General of Israel, Gali Baharavmara, they're calling this an insurrection.
(20:32):
And I'm saying that because I do think that in
useful ways it can be compared to January sixth, in
that it's an effort to illegally control some of the
power of the state. But now I'll take a step back. Sure,
there are two facets to what has happened here in
the last twenty four hours. On the one hand, what
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we had is a Supreme Court ruling about a government
decision basically removing the media regulator and allowing the government
to control almost all of the media space, very much
on the Hungarian model of how Victor Orban basically eliminated
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the free media in Hungary and took over all of
the organs of the media. That was a decision passed
by this government, and after months of deliberations, yesterday the
Supreme Court ruled that the government can't do that and
that the regulator must continue operating. So, in a narrow way,
what the government has said is, no, we're not going
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to adhere to that ruling. We're going to take control
of this regulator and we're going to control the media
in these months leading up to an election. But the
reason people are calling it a coups de'ttas isn't the
specifics of that law. It's that the government has decided
that the Supreme Court is no longer the law of
the land. Supreme Court rulings have no bearings, and so
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what that means, certainly in the eyes of the Attorney
General the state that in Israel's a civil servant. In
the eyes of former Prime Minister Yayer Lapid, who's head
of the opposition, he said that as of yesterday, this
is a criminal government, a rogue government. The reason people
are reacting that way is the expectation that the government
is going to use this as a precedent and no
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longer recognize the rule of law going forward now towards
the elections.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And that's what I was going to ask I me
in Israel, lest we forget as a fairly young country.
And so what precedent, if any, is there for this?
I mean, how significant politically and constitutionally is what's happening
right now?
Speaker 8 (22:43):
This is an earthquake. The state of Israel was established
in nineteen forty eight. It's a seventy eight year old country.
This has never happened ever, even in this most extreme
Nisayao government that made its its desire hire basically to
perpetrate a push clear, very very early on in this mandate. Now,
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the government was basically came back into power around January
first of twenty twenty three. On January fourth of twenty
twenty three, not the Attorney general, the Justice Minister of Israel,
Netsan yahu Man called Yariv Levin, announced that he was
going to hold a press conference, and he basically stood
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behind a lectern and he said he was I'm quoting
now launching the first phase in a reform of the
administration of the state. Now that is the announcement of Akuditta.
We're changing the way the state is run. We're changing
the institutional structure of the state. For reasons that are
really beyond me. The media shorthand for what the government
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did that day was judicial reform, but this was not
a judicial reform, never presented as a judicial form. The
government became very extreme also in terms of its efforts
to illegally hold onto power.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Really from the.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Start still until yesterday, the government, no government in the
history of the State of Israel has ever said an
official statement we're not adhering to the Supreme Court ruling.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I want to get into some of the broader
implications of this, but on a specific case, we earlier
in the program talked about doctor Hosam Abu Sofia, who
is in the news because telling his lawyer this is
the end. They're trying to kill me. And the High
Court has pushed the Israeli government for some answers on
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his situation. What does this ignoring of court orders, how
does you know? How does it play into the ability
of the courts to get information about doctor Abosophia's case
or the case of any Palestinian who was in administrative
detention or or otherwise in detention.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
I was going to say, anyone, you know that there
protests Jewish protesters against this government who've been held in
administrative detention for more than four months. So again, on
many levels, the Nataniel government is a rogue government and
that sort of should be framing. I think our understanding
of what's happening. The government is not yet in breach
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of a court order regarding doctor Hussam Abusafya. The government
this was another decision, but it was an appeals decision,
so it wasn't a ruling by the Supreme Court. It
was simply an order by the court yesterday accepting a
petition by an Israeli NGO called Physicians for Human Rights,
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ordering the government by tomorrow to tell the court what
is his health condition, why is it so bad, and
to explain what his treatment is. But I do want
to want the lens a little bit because doctor Kusamabusafia,
who is a well known doctor and headed the Gaza's
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Kamal re Dwan Hospital. He was detained in November twenty
twenty four. No charges have been brought against him, and
there's been no explanation by the Army of why he's
being held, despite you know, occasional repetitive kind of media requests.
He appeared to be in perfectly good health when he
(26:31):
was detained. And I mentioned all this because I did
make some inquiries yesterday. I thought we were entering to
war crime territory. It's not clear that we are, because
administrative detention during wartime isn't per se illegal. However, Israel
clearly has a duty of care towards him. There are
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a lot of rumors going around about what has made
him so unwell, but I doubt we're going to hear
anything from the Army before tomorrow, the deadline given by
the court. And until then, what we have to face
is the situation in which Netanyahu gave extraordinary powers to
two people who are on the most extreme fringes of society.
(27:15):
So the minister in charge of National Security, which means
police and the prison service, is a guy convicted thirteen
times of hate crimes and terror Itamar Benvir, and a
guy who is officially the Minister of Finance of Israel
Secretary of the Treasury of Israel was also given, like
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you know, a second job as a sort of secret
deputy Defense Minister in charge of the occupied territories of
the West Bank. Doctor Kusamabusafia is being held in a
prison in the West Bank, in offa prison. So I'm
very concerned, not only because I trust this NGO and
I trust his lawyer. I'm very concerned because the two
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men who may be exerting power in order basically to
cause extreme suffering for doctor Abusafie. You know, these are
the guys who have the power to do it, even.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Though it's not a straight line, right right, Well, can
you break downe the political dynamics of the upcoming election
as well, like how have Neatnahu's opponents reacted to this,
how has lacud reacted to this?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
What's what's it looked like in the last several days.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
So it's just really the last two days because this
happened yesterday and today. But it's a really interesting question.
So the opposition actually came out pretty good, I would say,
as I think I mentioned to the former Prime Minister,
Lapide said that as of yesterday, this is an illegal government,
a criminal government. Then the another former prime minister who
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was served with Lapide and a Ftalie Bennett said that
this is bringing Israel to anarchy. The Attorney General, who
i'm as i mentioned to as a civil servant, but
she came out with a very very powerful statement basically
saying this is an assault on the rule of law.
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That is the first person from Israeli officialdom saying this
is an insurrection. A member of the Labor Party in
the Kanesset of a congressperson in Israel now Malasimi has
already called for Nitzagnel to be arrested for sedition and
for endangering national security. This is not as crazy as
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it sounds, because under Israeli law, the Shinbeck, the Internal
Security Service, is statutorially charged with protecting the democratic institutions
of the state. Now, Nitzagnajo just a few months ago,
I think presaging the current crisis installed in a very
(30:00):
dodgy maneuver, installed a kind of messianic non democrat lowercase
D democrat as head of the shin Bet. So we
have not heard from the shin Bet. But inciting to
thwart the course of law is a crime in Israel.
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So Nittagnani's government are getting themselves into deeper and deeper
trouble with every step the liqude has begun showing some
cracks and this really is very interesting. So the Minister
of Communications, the guy behind this particular kind of media
takeover law, came out fighting and he basically was the
(30:45):
one who put out the official statement on behalf of
the cabinet saying, you know, we've decided towards the Supreme
Court screw, to put it bluntly. But then there have
been two prominent members of Nitzanio's inner circle who have
tried to backtrack, and so one is the Cabinet secretary,
not a minister of the Cabinet secretary put out a
(31:06):
very confused, bizarre statement last night basically saying, no, we
didn't say we won't adhere to Supreme Court ruling. We
said we'll use all legal tools in our hands to
go against the Supreme Court ruling. They have no legal
tools because this is a Supreme Court ruling. But you
got the sense that there were probably some difficult discussions
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being held, and I had the sense, yesdir I don't
have proof of this, but I have a lot of
experience with these people. I did have the sense last
night that there might be some n'taill ministers saying to themselves,
I don't want to go to jail for this guy,
and also saying to themselves, this is going to kill
us in the elections. And since last night there have
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been leaks today of ministers being pretty fearful. It's important
to underscore that while Nitagna whu won to take control
of the media, and while Nittagna who has really put
together an unbelievably dastardly avalanche of laws that he wants
to try and get through the Kannesset in the next
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ten days, basically before this Knesset session is automatically brought
to an end, and because we will be ninety days
before the legal deadline for elections, this government will automatically
become an acting government and its powers in Nitagna Who's
powers will be significantly curtailed again under law, assuming the
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government adheres to the law law, they're trying to pass
any number you know of laws. And it's actually today
I heard a very interesting interpretation of this situation from
the leader of the opposition. Yeah you're Lapide, who said
he thinks that Bibi Nataille is trying to get an
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invite to the White House as early as next week,
right because he doesn't want it. Yeah, he said so
on Fox News yesterday. Lapede's interpretation is that Nizagnielle doesn't
want to be in Israel for these kinetic votes because
his own voters they hate this legislation. They're the ones
who you know, obey the law and want to live
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in a state of law. Their right wing, some of
them still worship him, but they don't want any of
These are laws that you know, transfer millions and millions
of dollars to the ultra orthodox, to draft dodgers, and
so Lapede's theory of what's happening is that Nizania wants
to pass all these laws so that his coalition partners
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are happy and he can stay in power. But he
knows his voters hate it, so he wants to come
back from DC and say, well, so you know I
didn't vote for them.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Well to that, to that point, I wanted to get
your you're helping getting some contacts on an interesting exchange
on Israeli intelligence with the Lacud minister. You can put
up a ten here and you can tell me if
they if they have the translation right. But he's saying, so,
you mean ideologically you agree with Jewish Power, which is
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the Ben Gevier party, and the minister says there aren't
many differences between Jewish Power, Ben Gavier's party and Lacud.
Let's just underscore that. Let's just make sure we're clear
about that. Who is she and what should we be
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drawing from the fact that a minister in the government
is saying that actually Ben Gavier's party and the Lacud
are basically the same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And also, let's pause for a second.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
If there was a party in the US called White
Power that was as dominant as Ben Gavier's is, there
would be no mystery as to where they stood on
the kind of political spectrum.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
But so what should we draw what is she saying?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
What should we draw from her claim that actually Lakud
and Jewish Power are basically the same party At this.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Point, yes, she said they're ideologically indistinguishable. Look, I take
it very seriously. I don't take her as a person
very seriously. My Golan is basically a weaker female version
of Itamar ben Vir of Beisalid Smotrich of Yariv Levin,
the Justice Minister of Miki Zar, the Culture minister who
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today tried to clean up this mess a little bit
and he tried to kind of make it clear. He said,
we're not causing a constitutional crisis. The Supreme Court is
because they made an illegal ruling. You know, this kind
of mucking it all up. This is a government that
in its totality is very, very extreme. My Golan is
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accused herself by the way of all kinds of crimes.
She has one of these money wasting ministries just basically
intended to keep her onside. I think she's the Minister.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
For Social Acquiry and the advancement of the status of women,
Thank you very much, exactly what she dream Yes very much.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Now, notice that she just said that she, at least
or her party has no ideological differences with a party
that is theocratic, anti democratic, profoundly misogynistic, and I could
continue segregationist. I want to mention somebody who I take
more seriously and who said the same thing yesterday, and
(36:35):
maybe you can get a clip of him too, Amina
Dove Begging. He's an academic. He's not a well known
public figure, but he's the grandson of the legendary right
wing Sorry.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
No, I did see this comment. This is k Malcolm
Beggin's grandson, I believe it was, but go ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Yeah, it's Manavan Begging's grandson, I think is in his fifties,
and he he has become increasingly, I would say, a strident,
an important voice in the Israeli public sphere. And he
says that this party led by Natania, who is not
the Likud, It's not the party created by his grandfather.
Remember that his grandfather, I think his seventies and eighties
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was considered beyond the pale extremist. You know, it was
a right wing takeover of Israel the time. And yet
he was a man who believed profoundly in the institutions
of the state, who strengthened the judiciary, who spoke repeatedly
in public about the importance of democratic institutions. He wanted
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to be a right wing prime minister, but he wanted
to do it with authority. And so now we have
his grandson and he said yesterday he said this is
not a constitutional crisis. He said, this is a Kahanist kudta.
He gave a really remarkable interview that I would urge
anyone to see because he he believes that he represents
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what is truly the right wing, and he confessed in
this interview. He said that for a long time, he
himself voted for Naitanelle, that you know, he kind of
considered him a normal right wing leader, and that what's
happening now is an insurrection.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
All right, Well, thanks for.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Updating us on this quite dramatic series events Nogatanopolski and
BB and beyond is a substect that she just launched.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Israeli journalists really appreciate you being here.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
I'm flies with you, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Massive gatherings in Tehran over the weekend for the funeral
of the Supreme Leader Ali Kamini, and let's put some
of this. Let's put this New York Times headline up
on the screen. They went with this headline, mourner's chant
revenge at funeral prayers for Iran's slain Supreme leader.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Just reading a little bit from the report.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Tens of thousands of mourners, including senior Iranian officials, packed
to run on Sunday for funeral prayers for the slain
Supreme Leader, as crowds chanted calls for revenge. Conspicuously absent
was his son and successor, Moushtaba Khameni, who has not
been seen in public since succeeding his father who was
killed at the onset of the war. And these crowds
(39:15):
were rolling and massive. Let's go ahead and take a
listen to the scene in Tehran over the weekend. So
(39:37):
that was the infamous death to America, chant and Ryan,
Just what's your reaction off the bat here to what
we saw. I mean, this was massive, massive support obviously
for a supreme leader and no Mashaba Khamene. Also though
a pretty clear sign of strength from the IRGC's perspective
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into this operation where apparently the I ergycy was decimated.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, we were told that the Iranians would, just like
the Iraqis, would greet us with you know, candies and
flowers and liberties and would celebrate the our assassination of
common a. Instead, you have one of the largest gatherings
of people like in the world.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
And after one of the largest slaughterings of Iranians in January.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Right, which is probably.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Which is why we thought they were weak, right, and
it would be easy for the Kurds to come in
and people would overthrow them.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
This is what it looks like now.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Right, And the Iranians have put like have said that
they believe three thousand, at least three thousand. They put
out the names of at least three thousand people security
forces and protesters who were killed.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Or riot rioters or whatever you want to You know
that also that there.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Were some armed insurgants as well, So at least three thousand.
That is a lot of people. You see this, these
bizarre numbers of thirty thousand and sixty seventy five thousand
flowed by Trump and other people, no evidence that's anywhere
near that. Still, even three thousand is a lot. And yeah,
the Israelis and the Americans were convinced that the Iranian
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people were desperate for regime change. They wanted maybe they
wanted the Shah, who know, the Shah's son, who knows
who they wanted back in. And it's a big crowd.
Does not necessarily mean you ninety percent support, No, not
all I still have.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
That's not born out by any of the point that
people have been able to ascertain or it's I mean,
that's not an easy thing to do. But I think
I've heard Sarabamarri obviously make the point that it's it's
not like the IRGC has the support of a majority
of Iranians, but opposition to America has support of a
majority of Iranians.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's right we have united the country in that.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I've seen some people salty at the death to America
chant and the death Israel chant, but not as much
saltiness as you might have seen in the past. I
think people are starting to like approach this with a
little bit of common sense. Well, for one thing, what
people might not know it translates to death to America.
But if you heard the rhythm of it, it's it's
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just kind of a nice chant and it really means
kind They use it as it has the nice rhythm
to it, and it really means down with Like that
would be a probably more kind of accurate cultural translation,
down with America, down with Israel. That aside, Trump has
(42:35):
described this as Pearl Harbor, right. He compared it to
Pearl Harbor, right that because it was a surprise attack
in the middle of the negotiations. We are still deeply
angry in the United States about Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Pearl Harbor, they attacked the Navy in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Trump had a veteranshipman from Pearl Harbor on stage at
the fourth of July.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Did you see this miss this incredible?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, sure it was. I'm sure it was.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
But you know, they attacked it, they surprise attacked a
military target. We thought it was dastardly because it was
a sneak attack. Sneak attacks or dastardly it was it
was on a military target. Imagine if the Japanese had
also hit a girls school in Hawaii and killed you know,
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one hundred, you know, one hundred and fifty plus students
and teachers, mostly young girls, and then also killed you know,
FDR killed, the head of the military, killed the vice president,
you know, killed.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Like, how do you think we would feel at that point?
Like the chance?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I thought, and I think, but I think people in
the US are are actually much more kind of aware
of the context this time, and so they see that
chance they're like, yeah, okay, you know, what what we
did was really bad and and I get it.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Well, there are realist consequences to war, obviously, political consequences.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And being reckless and how you carry it out.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Now, I do think when you see death to America, chance,
even if it's translated into something.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
That down with.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, I think most Americans look at that and say, well,
we definitely don't want them to have a nuclear weapon.
It's just a question of like the means to the end,
And that's I think for a lot of people. When
you look at our record the last twenty years, I mean,
look at a rock right now.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Is Saddam Hussein there?
Speaker 5 (44:35):
No? Is it a much friendlier country to the United States,
Like significantly friendlier countries to the United States create a
power vacuum that created isis And so the idea that
you were going to have a war that wasn't significant
with a ground invasion and lasted for months and months
that actually truly decapitated the regime, I think a lot
of people were obviously skeptical of that, as.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
They should have been skeptical of that.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, and here's the.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
This is a show of solidarity for some chunk of
the country United against the United States. Not that that's
particularly surprising to anybody, But if you had showed scenes
of this before or as let's say, after we had
on February twenty eighth, if people showed you these scenes,
like you could fast forward and do like a time
travel jump and its like, this is what Iran is
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going to look like in July and.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
The war, by the way, it is going to be over.
We're gas but we're going to have a ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, we're gonna be getting nothing.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:29):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (45:29):
And to your point about nuclear weapons? And people do
need to include myself, need to remember this. We've done
some polling on this question about Iran having a nuclear weapon,
and the American people are very much opposed to the
idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. How much they're
willing to do just you know, see that outcome to
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the end is up for debate. But if you ask them,
it's like eighty plus percent of people Democrats, Independence, Republicans.
I'm in the minority where I'm like, I don't care.
I'd rather nobody had them. Yeah, but if somebody's gonna
have them, what do I care?
Speaker 6 (46:08):
But the other question is means to an end? Right?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Like again, when the war began, it was pretty obvious
people were shocked when the Chegos islands like that, that
ICBM got close to the islands.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
It's like, well, if.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
You take a look at the map of North Korea's
ability where they also say things like death to America
and sentiment. Uh, they already have like worldwide, we're in
their range.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Because that's just Europe, like the whole world is in
their range and they have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
So it's why it's good that he's Trump's best friend.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Yeah, I think we're good. Yeah, well Trump's button is bigger.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Don't forget that, that's right.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
As we learned on Twitter at one point.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
So yeah, I mean the idea that the war was
going to turn transform the country.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
Obviously, this is what.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Did just just not in the way that we but.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Not fundamentally transformed like the way Empowered.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Works empired the IRGC and brought them a lot more
revenue and lifted them out of the sanctions.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Abyss.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
Now, given what drop site has reported, what did you
make of the I told his son not being at
the funeral?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
So that's that was That was something that people have
have picked up on the reporting, was that he wanted
to be there and was really pressured, you know, not
to be there for what they say are security reasons.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
We'll talk about in a second.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Now, you know those the legitimate nature of those security concerns.
It has sparked, you know, controversy inside inside Iran as
people are jocking for power. There's also some question about,
you know, how badly he was injured in the strike
that killed comment a Comedy's fourteen year old grandson, his
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wife like his, a lot of comment Comedy's family, as
well as.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Senior leaders.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
The word that keeps coming out is that he was
significantly wounded. So perhaps they don't want to show how
badly he was wounded. But at the same time, we
can put up B three here. The US and Israel
are maniacs, like they cannot be trusted to not just
(48:23):
kill anybody the first opportunity they get. So Trump told
Axios here that they agreed to quote take a week
off and that quote neither side will shoot at the
other in order to.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Allow time for the morning.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Trump also told Axios that he was shocked at the
outpouring of support for the man he assassinated, and he
ruminated at one point.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Quote maybe it's faked tears.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
So there's hundreds of thousands of people coming out to
fake cry just to get one over on Trump, I guess.
But then Trump added, they're all there, one shot, and
we can take them all out, which isn't brackets, but
that's what he means. One shot and they can take
them all out. But we are not going to do
that because then we would have nobody to negotiate with.
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So you can see even in that moment, Trump just
kind of salivating at the opportunity of more killing, like more.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Oh, now the new people that came in, I could
kill them all.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
There's something captivating to him about the idea of just
being able to kill people with impunity. But the thing
holding him back, as he says, is well, then who
would we negotiate with.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
Well, let's put B five on the screen. Skip ahead here.
This is a report from NBC News headline, US was
concerned Israel might try to kill Iran negotiators. According to sources,
US officials were concerned that Israel might try to assassinate
Iran's negotiators during recent cease for our talks in Tehran.
Was worried about that about the possible threat, according to
a US of official and an Iranian official with knowledge
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of the matter.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
Ryan, So that got leaked from US to the press.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yes, this was crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
So you remember the Islamabad talks where Arachian Ghaliboff, and JD.
Vance all were there for like twenty four hours, and
then Vance kind of abruptly was like, we can't make
any progress. These guys aren't serious, and I'm going home.
So he goes home. The Pakistanis then escort the Iranian
delegation to the border, and as they're getting close to
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the border, the US picks up that Israel has scrambled
fighter jets in Iranian territory headed towards or headed towards
Iranian territory with the intent of shooting Arachian Golliboff's plane down,
and the US itself then scrambles and tells they say,
(50:51):
allies probably you know Turkey, Egypt Cutter, you know, they're
working the phones, and the US dimes out Israel and
says tell the Iranians that Nan Yahoo's trying to kill them.
And so their plane makes an emergency landing just over
the border inside Iran and they get in cars and
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drive like the eight hours to Tehran, which must have
been just an insane drive.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
You imagine being in those cars, like.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
You're like going through these like rugged winding mountain passes.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You're like, maybe what if we turned the headlights off.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Drivers like yeah, yeah, then we're gonna plunge off his mountain.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think we need the headlights.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
But then you're like, yeah, but if I don't want to,
you don't want to spook the drivers.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You don't exactly want to tell them why.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
I like this out.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
And everybody and you know, phones off, like everybody phones
in the bag. Yeah, turn turn your turn your satellite
devices off. So maybe if you have your phones off,
they wouldn't know which caravan to hit it. Then they're
just bombing like random, like Iranian villagers everywhere from.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
But yeah, so this is our ally.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
They So if there's any question about how hostile they
are to a cease fire and a peace deal, let's
let that disabuse any confusion.
Speaker 6 (52:21):
And on the topic actually of.
Speaker 5 (52:24):
The that's the right way to put an efficacy of
the military action.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
Let's go to B four.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
So we've also been told that Hamas is totally decimated.
This war was going to eradicate Hamas well. The speaker
of the Iranian Parliament, as you all reported here at
drop site, met with Hamas's Political Leadership Council chairman at
the Sunday delegation in Tehran during the funeral ceremonies. So Ryan,
(52:51):
that's also again it's a similar parallel. Now Hamas has
been much more what's the best way to put it,
much has has been much more damaged. Yeah, they're not
really shooting back October seventh, the post October seventh war
of course than the IRGC.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
But here they are living to negotiate and living to
talk to the.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Iranians, right, and Israel continues to violate the cease firing Gaza,
and Hamas, to your point, has not really been has
not been hitting back, and Iran has also not really
made demands about Gaza part of its negotiating strategies.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
We hadn't really covered. But that is interesting.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Yeah, they there's you know, there's a parallel track that
has a UN mandate.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
It's really interesting that.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
The Iranians, you know, have genuine respect for the UN
and you and take those processes seriously. And the fact
that the border piece got this UN blessing and has
created a negotiation track actually means something. It's funny because
we've here in the US were told that they're this
like rogue state and a bunch of terrorists. We are
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the ones that really have the most amount of hostility
to the UN and to international law. But in practice,
like you know that that's ongoing now, they're they're trying
to be as supportive as they can. And I know
a lot of supporters of Palasan have been frustrated that
that Gaza has not been more right central to the
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the cease fire negotiations whereas Lebanon has well.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
And that was a huge obviously point of disagreement with
the Abraham Accords, right, was that the Palestinian cause was
being squeezed.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Out, which was the whole Yeah, that was the whole.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
The whole idea behind the Abraham Accords was like we
can actually we don't have to solve this. We'll just
move We'll just move forward without it, right, without solving.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
It, right, right?
Speaker 5 (54:58):
Okay, So also looking at this of Hormuz market's about
to open here as we are recording this, but let's
put the next element up on the screen. It does
look like as drops reported here, according to City Bank,
crewed oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz have recovered
to about seven million barrels per day. That is up
from near zero levels, as you guys put it, during
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the height of the conflict. That's according to City analysts
who were cited by the Financial Times. But before the war,
the straight carried twenty to twenty one million bpd of oil,
that is, including fifteen million of crude and five million
of the refined petroleum products.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
That seven million estimate, as.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Dropsite put it, likely under states actual traffic because many
commercial tankers have switched off. And we can go ahead
then put B seven up on the screens to report
from CNBC that a cargo vessel in the Red Sea
coming under attack according to the UK's Maritime Trade Operations Center,
(55:54):
So shipping across the region, I was going to say
unsteady right now, Maybe that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
But moving upward, And as City Bank points out, seven
million is what they counted, and that doesn't count the
people that turned off their transponders. So if you were
carrying twenty to twenty one million barrels per day before
the war, and you've got seven million that you can see,
if you have seven million that you can't see, at
(56:23):
least you're getting back up to somewhere between half and
two thirds of the pre war shipment. The because we
are trying to fill up our strategic reserve, our inventories,
and fuel our global economy. At the same time, you'd
rather have more coming out than less relative to pre
(56:45):
war because we're so far behind. But at least this
is like the global economic ivy bag is just getting
a drip at least.
Speaker 5 (56:55):
What do you make of this Red Sea report? Given
the chaos in Yemen over the last several.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Days as well, that remains this giant wildcard and remains
Iron's additional leverage that was not played during the war,
which is, you know, the Saudis were able to move
a lot by you the pipeline over to the Red Sea,
and you know a lot of global shipping comes through
(57:21):
the Red Sea. And it does show the value of
diplomacy to the United States. If you remember, the US
cut a deal with the Houthies that said, if you
stop attacking us our American ships, we will stop attacking you.
You can still attack Israel, It's not our problem.
Speaker 6 (57:39):
That was a very pragmatic type of deal, and.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
The Houthies like it and they stuck with it.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
They made threats that they were going to join the Iranians,
and they would tell Israel, if you do x y Z,
we will join as trying to draw some red lines,
but they never fully entered, and it's because they had
this agreement with the United States.
Speaker 5 (58:01):
And just an update on what happened in Yemen over
the weekend. I'm reading from an Al Jazeera headline just
from yesterday. Uthi rebels killed sixteen Yemeni government troops and
fiercest clashes in years that took place in Western Yemen's
their governorate is how it's put. But it's the They
(58:21):
had a minister of state and a cabint member aligned
with their government saying that the soldiers died in the fighting,
and violence, according to Al Jazeera, is now escalating. So
the politics of that, like Ryan put it, that's an
insane wild card in the region right now.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
It could also and we'll see how this unfolds. Further
explain why the Huthis kind of stayed out of the
conflict because perhaps they felt so Saudi Arabia was also
cutting deals with everybody, okay, and so Saudi Arabia several
years ago cut a deal with the Houthis. They were like, look,
(58:58):
we're sorry, like this was a mistake, please stop attacking
our refineries. We will stop backing this fake government that's
in Riod now literally in a hotel.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
We're out of this war.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
And the UA kept going, kept going because that's what
they do. And so it is likely that the Saudis
leaned also on the Hoothies to say, please stay out
of this war, don't attack us.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
During that to the Red.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Sea and with another agreement that who's said, Okay, when
this dies down, we're sweeping west and we're taking more,
we're taking more territory. And so that maybe what you're
seeing happen now with the Saudis saying, okay, look fine,
like we're we wish we hadn't gotten involved in this.
(59:43):
It was a little impulsive on our part, and we're
this between y'all, and and Saudis are still mad at
the Emirates that any damage that the Hoothi's due to
the Emirates, Saudis are gleeful for because they're fighting each
other over in Sudhan too.
Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
That's a lot of uncertainty amidst these efforts to have
deals in both regions.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
We have the greatest deal maker in the history of deals.
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Thank goodness, he's here, yes, and he is focused like
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We're celebrating the fourth of July.
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Who else would we talk to but Benjamin Netanya, who
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recently put it, so you really say that, yes he did,
we are he said, Jerusalem was. But we are going
to get into a little bit of the political problems
at home for Nazianna who as well today, right because
those are starting to mount as well.
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The funeral pulled off a coup basically will so well, well, we.
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Have a guest who's going to break that down for us.
But also we're going to be talking about the funeral
held in Iran this weekend, along with some updates in
Lebanon and updates and Iran as well. But you're going
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from the funeral that was held for Comeni this weekend.
So lots to get into on that. Trump gave a
(02:45):
big Fourth of July speech. Mom Donnie also gave a
Fourth of July speech, kind of dueling speeches. It was
interesting that Mom Donnie's was so.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So right way it was. It was a huge topic
of discussion and almost to.
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The point where he became the leader of the left
as Trump is the leader of the right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Like it's almost over.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
It's almost like the dueling figures in American politics right
now Mayor of New York City. So we have lots
to break down from that big, big news out of
Michigan yesterday where Mallory mcmorro dropped out of the race.
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That was kind of a spoiler for the segment the Abundance.
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Well, I think since it's news, I think we can
spoil news. The Abundance candidate has has dropped out, leaving
Elsaiahed and Haley Stevens as the remaining as the remaining
candidates in the Michigan Senate race. We'll talk about how
that happened, what it means. And then Trump for once
used his powers of corruption for the United States instead
(03:41):
of robbing the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He made a.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Phone call to He is the FIFA Peace Prize winner, famous,
so he has some privileges.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So he made a.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Phone call to they had a FIFA and he got
flows red card suspended.
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Yep, we got that. Well, the red cards still in place.
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But this is mention that afterwards is suspended, so he
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He will play.
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If Belgium shows up. They're angry. How could you not
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I mean, these people spend all of the time watching
soccer and we just dipped in.
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Yes, but we have finally caught on that in order
to be serious about soccer or football, you have to
be corrupt. America has arrived football scene.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
We now understand how to play this game.
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Speaker 5 (04:39):
We're going to start now with Netta Yahu's interview on
Fox News where he's laughing off Jade Vance's claim that
Israel is losing support around the world.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Let's go ahead and take a look at a two.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government,
I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that
I have, but anywhere left in the entire world.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
What was your reaction when you heard that?
Speaker 7 (05:06):
First of all, I respect jd Vance, we have a
very good relationship, but doesn't mean that I agree with
everything that he says, and I have to point out this,
Donald Trump is great, the greatest friend we ever had
in the White House, and I stand by that completely. Secondly,
we have some other friends, like a small country called India.
(05:28):
You know, it has one point four billion people, and
boy do we have a tremendous support there. You know,
I have this Facebook thing and I'm just funded by
these by the overwhelming support there. And we have many others.
Let me tell you where we have support, because it's
fashionable now. And you know, in many countries, because their
(05:51):
media and their social media are inundated with anti Israel,
anti Semitic material, many leaders you know, call me up
and say, hey, look, I've got this problem with public opinion.
But I want you to know we respect you, and
can we make some deals, and can you teach us
some of the things that your military does, and can
we have some of your AI and cyber expertise. You know,
(06:14):
Israel as the number two countries in cyber in the world,
and our technology is sure, it's so good. So the
relations are not quite as they appear. And we have
we have many, many friends, and I have to tell
you we also take care of our friends, especially the
Christians in the Middle East, the Christian villages in Lebanon,
(06:35):
some of them have actually asked to be a next
to Israel because we protect them against Chris Baalah fanatics
who want to kill them, and we do the same
things with Christians everywhere Christians in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Well, meanwhile, let's go ahead and take a look at
this footage from southern Lebanon over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
We can roll the next element.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
You see this on your screen, Ryan, The strikes have
continued very much.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, they're diminished, reduced.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So oftentimes what Israel means by his tease fire is
that their attacks are going to be reduced from what
they were before, certainly not go to zero. So you're
seeing and we'll talk about some of the ongoing killings
in Gaza as well. But I had to listen to
that Dnyaho comment a couple times because I was like,
(07:25):
did he really say it's not true that Israel is
isolated because there are a lot of Indians on Facebook
that are supportive. I went back and watched you don't
believe me, go back, scroll back watch that again. That
is in fact the argument. Think about the superpower level
(07:46):
of propaganda that has come out of the Israeli government
for decades, and compare it to what NTNA who is
now saying that they are not completely globally isolated because
there are Indian bot farms basically that are whipping up
support on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Facebook.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I mean, even just citing one additional one additional country
was quite interesting from Natsanya, who's like, we have a
little friend called India.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And you should see him on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's not nothing, but it's not undermining jd Vance's point.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The Hindu nationalism that is surging in India has as
much hatred of Islam and embedded in it as Netnyahu does.
And so it's true that there's some like ideological or
whatever you would call it, sympathy there. And it is
very true that Indian social media is very supportive of Israel.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Like the all that is true.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It is just kind of embarrassing that that's the last
thing you're hanging your hat on. When he's talking about
Christian villages in southern Lebanon. You know what he you
know what Israel did say.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
To Christian villages in southern Lebanon.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
If you shelter any Muslims who are fleeing from our attacks,
we will level you too. So that is the expression
of the love that Netya who says he has for
Lebanese expisasions. Also finally, Israel's in the Middle East. It's
just so odd to me that he would be that
(09:17):
transparently hostile to Muslims while being in the Middle East,
Like to just transparently say, look, Christians like us, which
isn't true because they are ruthless to Christians both in
Palestine and in southern Lebanon. But even if that were true,
like to just explicitly come out and say, you've basically
(09:39):
written off relations with the population of like ninety plus
percent of the Middle East, that where you exist is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Is a choice.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So what you're saying, I mean the obvious response to that,
he would say, well, there's a lot of hostility coming
towards us, except.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, he says, he's best friends or Saudi Arabia, the UAE,
he's got friends and cuts or even though some doesn't
like all the countries.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Yeah, well that's part of his political problem.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
He has a bunch of friends in Lebanon, he's got
they fund a bunch of people in Syria. He loves
the Kurds like or he claims to like. So he
claims he's got these The Abraham Accords are based on
the idea that he can coexist with all of these
other yeap some countries. But when he's being honest, he's like,
(10:23):
you know who I really like and loves India and
you should see him on Facebook. Yeah, go ahead and
look at some of the comments that these Indians are
making on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It would make Nick Fuents blush.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Also interesting that Fox News is Jackie Heinrich got that interview.
I don't want to leave the segment without noting that
her husband, Brian Fitzpatrick, they literally just got married a
couple of weeks ago. I pulled up on track a
PAC the Pennsylvania delegation. He has taken the most money
from Pro Israel packs in the entire Pennsylvania delegation, more
than Fetterman, more than Brendan Boyle, like actually by a
(10:59):
huge and he's taken nine hundred and twenty four thousand,
almost a million, And that's like actually way ahead of
everybody else in the Pennsylvania delegation, which again just to note,
includes John Fetterman.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
According to the track APAC.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Numbers, Philadelphia suburbs. He's a very talented politician. He keeps
hanging on against these democratic attacks, trying to He's one
of the remaining what you would you know, outside of
supporting an extremist, genocidal state, moderate Republican.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Let's go and talk about updates from Gaza as well,
because there were some over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Let's put a four up now.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So this is doctors Abu Sofia, who was if people
will remember here, arrested in December of twenty twenty four
at kamal Ottawan Hospital. His hospital was surrounded and he
continued operating and treating patients as the as the IDF
was sacking the hospital.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
There was this famous.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Photo of him if you remember, seeing and walking across
the rubble toured an Israeli tank in order to be detained.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So that was almost two years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
At this point, all of the information that has come
out from his family and his attorneys over the preceding
succeeding time is that he has been tortured, just relentlessly,
lost an extraordinary amount of weight, and so he finally
he's been moved. He's no charges whatsoever, just administrative detention
that they just every six months. They just keep him
(12:31):
in administrative attention. So he's just a hostage. And so
he recently met with his lawyer and he's as he
got transferred to another underground prison, and he told his
lawyer quote, this is the end.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
This is the last time you'll see me. They brought
me here to kill me.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And the lawyer said he had bruises on his eyes,
his ears, his head, and there was serious fear that
he has brain bleeding from the torture that is going
that is going to kill him. And we'll talk about
this in a little bit with an Israeli journalist. The
High Court in Israel has ordered him, has ordered the
(13:16):
Ideaf to present some information about his case because there
is like serious attention on his case. A very celebrated physician,
he wrote, he wrote a column for the New York Times,
which is not a column, an op ed, which is
what people suspect is why they've been treating him so
viciously to as a as an example, like you, you
(13:38):
think you're a celebrated physician who can speak in the
New York Times about what's going on in Gaza. No,
we're going to We're going to show that We're not
afraid to torture even somebody like that, And so think
about it. If we'll torture him, you, who is a
much lesser figure, who's not in the New York Times,
is not a celebrated physician like you, have no chance
(14:02):
now that the Israel is going through a either a
coup or a constitual crisis. So whether they're going to
follow the orders of the Supreme Court remains to be seen.
A couple other West Bank developments that we can get
to really quickly if you want to, like a couple
a couple of crazy things where we had, you know,
you have to just repeatedly check these to be like,
(14:24):
is this is this possible?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That this is this is really going on.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
We finished with eight a five, just so anybody who
wants this is the update from UH from drop Side
about the latest killings in Godz or you can pause
that UH and and read those if you want to.
A father was killed a year ago. They just killed
his son over over the weekend, and there they.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Continue to recover bodies.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
If you can put up four killed in over the week,
you put up a six. It's horrifying footage. It's not
graphic though, it is a gut punch. This is a
checkpoint west of Ramala where a family is trying to
take their their four month to a waiting ambulance on
the other side of the checkpoint, and the Israeli soldiers
(15:14):
just won't won't let the family throw and so the
ambulance just sits there on the other side of the
checkpoint helplessly. Uh and the and the and the four
month old baby died waiting. That was Akhmed Zaid from
from dere Mar, like just as a as a parent,
like it's just it's just incomprehensible to be to be
(15:37):
in a situation like that.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And and for these you.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
We've all we've all encountered bureaucrats who are just like
immune to the urgency of a situation that we're in.
Usually it's not a four month old that needs emergency treatment.
And there's an ambulance on the other side of the checkpoint.
And then we have a nine another like absolutely shocking
video that I had to watch several times to figure
out what you just saw.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The Israeli soldier throw a stun gun inside a car,
stuff the door closed with people in it, and close
the door.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
An American people have mav and I say, is but
an American soldier who did that, it would be an
absolute scandal, Protests in the street, court martial investigations. And
anybody watching this program knows how I feel about the
American military. I am not its biggest champion or defender,
(16:30):
but think about that. In comparison, they make the American
military look like the most moral army in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Two And it's one thing.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Oh, if it's just a bad apple and they violated
their training, it turns out it's not. The training with
a stunt grenade is not to throw it into an
occupied car and close the door on the occupants. What's
shocking is we all know there will be no consequences
for that person.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And there will.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Be some brave people hand half a dozen who will
go out in protest. They'll get beaten. Those are heroic
Israelis who will do that. But you're talking about like
a half a dozen dozen people. There will not be
mass protests, and there will not be political backlash backlash.
There won't there won't be a reckoning. How did we
(17:19):
get to a place where we're okay with a four
month old baby dying at a checkpoint and a soldier
throwing a stun grenade into a car with civilians in
it and then closing the door on it, Like, how
do we get there?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
What's going on in the Israeli political system, which we've
been teasing here is quite incredible. Yes, Yes, the basically
Nenyah who has been trying to consolidate control of the media, which.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Is going on all over the world. This is this
is what you're seeing in countries.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
The Supreme Court, the High Court in Israel pushed back
against him.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
This blew up over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, and said, you said you can't do that, this
is this is illegal. You set up this fake second
commission that's over regulating the media.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
That's not the proper one.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
This is the official proper regulator, and we're reviewing this
deal where you're trying to concentrate wealth. Then Yahoo announced
over the weekend that is an illegal order. We're not
going to We're not going to follow it.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Those are Times of Israel headline in first government vows
to disobey high court ruling, setting up constitutional crisis.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Not even Trump has done this. Trump has disobeyed some
lower court rulings or kind of ignored them. Not completely
disobeyed them explicitly and then appeals to the Higher court.
Trump has never yet and hopefully he won't disobeyed a
Supreme Court ruling because once you do that, then all
(18:46):
the guardrails are off, because then you're just then you're
just an unchecked authoritarian government.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Right. And you can see from this Haretz headline this
is Hertzog call it a red line and joined other
officials and pushing back against government decision to defy high
court order. And again we have a guest who's going
to break some of these internal political dynamics down for us.
But this the stakes for Detnahu were already high, and
certainly now Ryan, they're even higher.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yes, indeed, yes, sure are.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So let's bring in uh Noga Turnipalsky back to breaking
points to discuss. All right, So joining us now is
Noga Tarnopalski. It's rarely join us is Raeli journalists joining
us from Jerusalem. A lot a lot of Jay's there, Noga,
thanks so much for being.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Here, Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Shout out to Noga's cat and just walked into the
shot as well. We love cats on breaking points, So that.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Cat is Melissund, who's named for the twelfth century Queen
of Jerusalem, the only queen Jerusalem ever had.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
It's a powerful cat.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
There we go, and Noga just launched the substack BB
and beyond BB, already giving her a lot of news
for this. So tell us about this coup slash constitutional
crisis wires some people calling it a coup and what
is the constitutional crists layout for people who are kind
of new to this question.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah, okay, I'll do my best, although I just want
to start out by saying that the most serious people
I know who are addressing this, for example, professor of
constitutional law Hebrew University called Mota Kremnitzer, and the Attorney
General of Israel, Gali Baharavmara, they're calling this an insurrection.
(20:32):
And I'm saying that because I do think that in
useful ways it can be compared to January sixth, in
that it's an effort to illegally control some of the
power of the state. But now I'll take a step back. Sure,
there are two facets to what has happened here in
the last twenty four hours. On the one hand, what
(20:54):
we had is a Supreme Court ruling about a government
decision basically removing the media regulator and allowing the government
to control almost all of the media space, very much
on the Hungarian model of how Victor Orban basically eliminated
(21:17):
the free media in Hungary and took over all of
the organs of the media. That was a decision passed
by this government, and after months of deliberations, yesterday the
Supreme Court ruled that the government can't do that and
that the regulator must continue operating. So, in a narrow way,
what the government has said is, no, we're not going
(21:40):
to adhere to that ruling. We're going to take control
of this regulator and we're going to control the media
in these months leading up to an election. But the
reason people are calling it a coups de'ttas isn't the
specifics of that law. It's that the government has decided
that the Supreme Court is no longer the law of
the land. Supreme Court rulings have no bearings, and so
(22:03):
what that means, certainly in the eyes of the Attorney
General the state that in Israel's a civil servant. In
the eyes of former Prime Minister Yayer Lapid, who's head
of the opposition, he said that as of yesterday, this
is a criminal government, a rogue government. The reason people
are reacting that way is the expectation that the government
is going to use this as a precedent and no
(22:24):
longer recognize the rule of law going forward now towards
the elections.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And that's what I was going to ask I me
in Israel, lest we forget as a fairly young country.
And so what precedent, if any, is there for this?
I mean, how significant politically and constitutionally is what's happening
right now?
Speaker 8 (22:43):
This is an earthquake. The state of Israel was established
in nineteen forty eight. It's a seventy eight year old country.
This has never happened ever, even in this most extreme
Nisayao government that made its its desire hire basically to
perpetrate a push clear, very very early on in this mandate. Now,
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the government was basically came back into power around January
first of twenty twenty three. On January fourth of twenty
twenty three, not the Attorney general, the Justice Minister of Israel,
Netsan yahu Man called Yariv Levin, announced that he was
going to hold a press conference, and he basically stood
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behind a lectern and he said he was I'm quoting
now launching the first phase in a reform of the
administration of the state. Now that is the announcement of Akuditta.
We're changing the way the state is run. We're changing
the institutional structure of the state. For reasons that are
really beyond me. The media shorthand for what the government
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did that day was judicial reform, but this was not
a judicial reform, never presented as a judicial form. The
government became very extreme also in terms of its efforts
to illegally hold onto power.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Really from the.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Start still until yesterday, the government, no government in the
history of the State of Israel has ever said an
official statement we're not adhering to the Supreme Court ruling.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I want to get into some of the broader
implications of this, but on a specific case, we earlier
in the program talked about doctor Hosam Abu Sofia, who
is in the news because telling his lawyer this is
the end. They're trying to kill me. And the High
Court has pushed the Israeli government for some answers on
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his situation. What does this ignoring of court orders, how
does you know? How does it play into the ability
of the courts to get information about doctor Abosophia's case
or the case of any Palestinian who was in administrative
detention or or otherwise in detention.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
I was going to say, anyone, you know that there
protests Jewish protesters against this government who've been held in
administrative detention for more than four months. So again, on
many levels, the Nataniel government is a rogue government and
that sort of should be framing. I think our understanding
of what's happening. The government is not yet in breach
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of a court order regarding doctor Hussam Abusafya. The government
this was another decision, but it was an appeals decision,
so it wasn't a ruling by the Supreme Court. It
was simply an order by the court yesterday accepting a
petition by an Israeli NGO called Physicians for Human Rights,
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ordering the government by tomorrow to tell the court what
is his health condition, why is it so bad, and
to explain what his treatment is. But I do want
to want the lens a little bit because doctor Kusamabusafia,
who is a well known doctor and headed the Gaza's
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Kamal re Dwan Hospital. He was detained in November twenty
twenty four. No charges have been brought against him, and
there's been no explanation by the Army of why he's
being held, despite you know, occasional repetitive kind of media requests.
He appeared to be in perfectly good health when he
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was detained. And I mentioned all this because I did
make some inquiries yesterday. I thought we were entering to
war crime territory. It's not clear that we are, because
administrative detention during wartime isn't per se illegal. However, Israel
clearly has a duty of care towards him. There are
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a lot of rumors going around about what has made
him so unwell, but I doubt we're going to hear
anything from the Army before tomorrow, the deadline given by
the court. And until then, what we have to face
is the situation in which Netanyahu gave extraordinary powers to
two people who are on the most extreme fringes of society.
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So the minister in charge of National Security, which means
police and the prison service, is a guy convicted thirteen
times of hate crimes and terror Itamar Benvir, and a
guy who is officially the Minister of Finance of Israel
Secretary of the Treasury of Israel was also given, like
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you know, a second job as a sort of secret
deputy Defense Minister in charge of the occupied territories of
the West Bank. Doctor Kusamabusafia is being held in a
prison in the West Bank, in offa prison. So I'm
very concerned, not only because I trust this NGO and
I trust his lawyer. I'm very concerned because the two
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men who may be exerting power in order basically to
cause extreme suffering for doctor Abusafie. You know, these are
the guys who have the power to do it, even.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Though it's not a straight line, right right, Well, can
you break downe the political dynamics of the upcoming election
as well, like how have Neatnahu's opponents reacted to this,
how has lacud reacted to this?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
What's what's it looked like in the last several days.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
So it's just really the last two days because this
happened yesterday and today. But it's a really interesting question.
So the opposition actually came out pretty good, I would say,
as I think I mentioned to the former Prime Minister,
Lapide said that as of yesterday, this is an illegal government,
a criminal government. Then the another former prime minister who
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was served with Lapide and a Ftalie Bennett said that
this is bringing Israel to anarchy. The Attorney General, who
i'm as i mentioned to as a civil servant, but
she came out with a very very powerful statement basically
saying this is an assault on the rule of law.
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That is the first person from Israeli officialdom saying this
is an insurrection. A member of the Labor Party in
the Kanesset of a congressperson in Israel now Malasimi has
already called for Nitzagnel to be arrested for sedition and
for endangering national security. This is not as crazy as
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it sounds, because under Israeli law, the Shinbeck, the Internal
Security Service, is statutorially charged with protecting the democratic institutions
of the state. Now, Nitzagnajo just a few months ago,
I think presaging the current crisis installed in a very
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dodgy maneuver, installed a kind of messianic non democrat lowercase
D democrat as head of the shin Bet. So we
have not heard from the shin Bet. But inciting to
thwart the course of law is a crime in Israel.
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So Nittagnani's government are getting themselves into deeper and deeper
trouble with every step the liqude has begun showing some
cracks and this really is very interesting. So the Minister
of Communications, the guy behind this particular kind of media
takeover law, came out fighting and he basically was the
(30:45):
one who put out the official statement on behalf of
the cabinet saying, you know, we've decided towards the Supreme
Court screw, to put it bluntly. But then there have
been two prominent members of Nitzanio's inner circle who have
tried to backtrack, and so one is the Cabinet secretary,
not a minister of the Cabinet secretary put out a
(31:06):
very confused, bizarre statement last night basically saying, no, we
didn't say we won't adhere to Supreme Court ruling. We
said we'll use all legal tools in our hands to
go against the Supreme Court ruling. They have no legal
tools because this is a Supreme Court ruling. But you
got the sense that there were probably some difficult discussions
(31:28):
being held, and I had the sense, yesdir I don't
have proof of this, but I have a lot of
experience with these people. I did have the sense last
night that there might be some n'taill ministers saying to themselves,
I don't want to go to jail for this guy,
and also saying to themselves, this is going to kill
us in the elections. And since last night there have
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been leaks today of ministers being pretty fearful. It's important
to underscore that while Nitagna whu won to take control
of the media, and while Nittagna who has really put
together an unbelievably dastardly avalanche of laws that he wants
to try and get through the Kannesset in the next
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ten days, basically before this Knesset session is automatically brought
to an end, and because we will be ninety days
before the legal deadline for elections, this government will automatically
become an acting government and its powers in Nitagna Who's
powers will be significantly curtailed again under law, assuming the
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government adheres to the law law, they're trying to pass
any number you know of laws. And it's actually today
I heard a very interesting interpretation of this situation from
the leader of the opposition. Yeah you're Lapide, who said
he thinks that Bibi Nataille is trying to get an
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invite to the White House as early as next week,
right because he doesn't want it. Yeah, he said so
on Fox News yesterday. Lapede's interpretation is that Nizagnielle doesn't
want to be in Israel for these kinetic votes because
his own voters they hate this legislation. They're the ones
who you know, obey the law and want to live
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in a state of law. Their right wing, some of
them still worship him, but they don't want any of
These are laws that you know, transfer millions and millions
of dollars to the ultra orthodox, to draft dodgers, and
so Lapede's theory of what's happening is that Nizania wants
to pass all these laws so that his coalition partners
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are happy and he can stay in power. But he
knows his voters hate it, so he wants to come
back from DC and say, well, so you know I
didn't vote for them.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Well to that, to that point, I wanted to get
your you're helping getting some contacts on an interesting exchange
on Israeli intelligence with the Lacud minister. You can put
up a ten here and you can tell me if
they if they have the translation right. But he's saying, so,
you mean ideologically you agree with Jewish Power, which is
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the Ben Gevier party, and the minister says there aren't
many differences between Jewish Power, Ben Gavier's party and Lacud.
Let's just underscore that. Let's just make sure we're clear
about that. Who is she and what should we be
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drawing from the fact that a minister in the government
is saying that actually Ben Gavier's party and the Lacud
are basically the same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
And also, let's pause for a second.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
If there was a party in the US called White
Power that was as dominant as Ben Gavier's is, there
would be no mystery as to where they stood on
the kind of political spectrum.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
But so what should we draw what is she saying?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
What should we draw from her claim that actually Lakud
and Jewish Power are basically the same party At this.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Point, yes, she said they're ideologically indistinguishable. Look, I take
it very seriously. I don't take her as a person
very seriously. My Golan is basically a weaker female version
of Itamar ben Vir of Beisalid Smotrich of Yariv Levin,
the Justice Minister of Miki Zar, the Culture minister who
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today tried to clean up this mess a little bit
and he tried to kind of make it clear. He said,
we're not causing a constitutional crisis. The Supreme Court is
because they made an illegal ruling. You know, this kind
of mucking it all up. This is a government that
in its totality is very, very extreme. My Golan is
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accused herself by the way of all kinds of crimes.
She has one of these money wasting ministries just basically
intended to keep her onside. I think she's the Minister.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
For Social Acquiry and the advancement of the status of women,
Thank you very much, exactly what she dream Yes very much.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Now, notice that she just said that she, at least
or her party has no ideological differences with a party
that is theocratic, anti democratic, profoundly misogynistic, and I could
continue segregationist. I want to mention somebody who I take
more seriously and who said the same thing yesterday, and
(36:35):
maybe you can get a clip of him too, Amina
Dove Begging. He's an academic. He's not a well known
public figure, but he's the grandson of the legendary right
wing Sorry.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
No, I did see this comment. This is k Malcolm
Beggin's grandson, I believe it was, but go ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
Yeah, it's Manavan Begging's grandson, I think is in his fifties,
and he he has become increasingly, I would say, a strident,
an important voice in the Israeli public sphere. And he
says that this party led by Natania, who is not
the Likud, It's not the party created by his grandfather.
Remember that his grandfather, I think his seventies and eighties
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was considered beyond the pale extremist. You know, it was
a right wing takeover of Israel the time. And yet
he was a man who believed profoundly in the institutions
of the state, who strengthened the judiciary, who spoke repeatedly
in public about the importance of democratic institutions. He wanted
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to be a right wing prime minister, but he wanted
to do it with authority. And so now we have
his grandson and he said yesterday he said this is
not a constitutional crisis. He said, this is a Kahanist kudta.
He gave a really remarkable interview that I would urge
anyone to see because he he believes that he represents
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what is truly the right wing, and he confessed in
this interview. He said that for a long time, he
himself voted for Naitanelle, that you know, he kind of
considered him a normal right wing leader, and that what's
happening now is an insurrection.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
All right, Well, thanks for.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Updating us on this quite dramatic series events Nogatanopolski and
BB and beyond is a substect that she just launched.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Israeli journalists really appreciate you being here.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
I'm flies with you, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Massive gatherings in Tehran over the weekend for the funeral
of the Supreme Leader Ali Kamini, and let's put some
of this. Let's put this New York Times headline up
on the screen. They went with this headline, mourner's chant
revenge at funeral prayers for Iran's slain Supreme leader.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Just reading a little bit from the report.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Tens of thousands of mourners, including senior Iranian officials, packed
to run on Sunday for funeral prayers for the slain
Supreme Leader, as crowds chanted calls for revenge. Conspicuously absent
was his son and successor, Moushtaba Khameni, who has not
been seen in public since succeeding his father who was
killed at the onset of the war. And these crowds
(39:15):
were rolling and massive. Let's go ahead and take a
listen to the scene in Tehran over the weekend. So
(39:37):
that was the infamous death to America, chant and Ryan,
Just what's your reaction off the bat here to what
we saw. I mean, this was massive, massive support obviously
for a supreme leader and no Mashaba Khamene. Also though
a pretty clear sign of strength from the IRGC's perspective
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into this operation where apparently the I ergycy was decimated.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, we were told that the Iranians would, just like
the Iraqis, would greet us with you know, candies and
flowers and liberties and would celebrate the our assassination of
common a. Instead, you have one of the largest gatherings
of people like in the world.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
And after one of the largest slaughterings of Iranians in January.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Right, which is probably.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Which is why we thought they were weak, right, and
it would be easy for the Kurds to come in
and people would overthrow them.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
This is what it looks like now.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Right, And the Iranians have put like have said that
they believe three thousand, at least three thousand. They put
out the names of at least three thousand people security
forces and protesters who were killed.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Or riot rioters or whatever you want to You know
that also that there.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Were some armed insurgants as well, So at least three thousand.
That is a lot of people. You see this, these
bizarre numbers of thirty thousand and sixty seventy five thousand
flowed by Trump and other people, no evidence that's anywhere
near that. Still, even three thousand is a lot. And yeah,
the Israelis and the Americans were convinced that the Iranian
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people were desperate for regime change. They wanted maybe they
wanted the Shah, who know, the Shah's son, who knows
who they wanted back in. And it's a big crowd.
Does not necessarily mean you ninety percent support, No, not
all I still have.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
That's not born out by any of the point that
people have been able to ascertain or it's I mean,
that's not an easy thing to do. But I think
I've heard Sarabamarri obviously make the point that it's it's
not like the IRGC has the support of a majority
of Iranians, but opposition to America has support of a
majority of Iranians.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's right we have united the country in that.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I've seen some people salty at the death to America
chant and the death Israel chant, but not as much
saltiness as you might have seen in the past. I
think people are starting to like approach this with a
little bit of common sense. Well, for one thing, what
people might not know it translates to death to America.
But if you heard the rhythm of it, it's it's
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just kind of a nice chant and it really means
kind They use it as it has the nice rhythm
to it, and it really means down with Like that
would be a probably more kind of accurate cultural translation,
down with America, down with Israel. That aside, Trump has
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described this as Pearl Harbor, right. He compared it to
Pearl Harbor, right that because it was a surprise attack
in the middle of the negotiations. We are still deeply
angry in the United States about Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Pearl Harbor, they attacked the Navy in Hawaii.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Trump had a veteranshipman from Pearl Harbor on stage at
the fourth of July.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Did you see this miss this incredible?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, sure it was. I'm sure it was.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
But you know, they attacked it, they surprise attacked a
military target. We thought it was dastardly because it was
a sneak attack. Sneak attacks or dastardly it was it
was on a military target. Imagine if the Japanese had
also hit a girls school in Hawaii and killed you know,
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one hundred, you know, one hundred and fifty plus students
and teachers, mostly young girls, and then also killed you know,
FDR killed, the head of the military, killed the vice president,
you know, killed.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Like, how do you think we would feel at that point?
Like the chance?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I thought, and I think, but I think people in
the US are are actually much more kind of aware
of the context this time, and so they see that
chance they're like, yeah, okay, you know, what what we
did was really bad and and I get it.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Well, there are realist consequences to war, obviously, political consequences.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And being reckless and how you carry it out.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Now, I do think when you see death to America, chance,
even if it's translated into something.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
That down with.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, I think most Americans look at that and say, well,
we definitely don't want them to have a nuclear weapon.
It's just a question of like the means to the end,
And that's I think for a lot of people. When
you look at our record the last twenty years, I mean,
look at a rock right now.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Is Saddam Hussein there?
Speaker 5 (44:35):
No? Is it a much friendlier country to the United States,
Like significantly friendlier countries to the United States create a
power vacuum that created isis And so the idea that
you were going to have a war that wasn't significant
with a ground invasion and lasted for months and months
that actually truly decapitated the regime, I think a lot
of people were obviously skeptical of that, as.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
They should have been skeptical of that.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, and here's the.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
This is a show of solidarity for some chunk of
the country United against the United States. Not that that's
particularly surprising to anybody, But if you had showed scenes
of this before or as let's say, after we had
on February twenty eighth, if people showed you these scenes,
like you could fast forward and do like a time
travel jump and its like, this is what Iran is
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going to look like in July and.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
The war, by the way, it is going to be over.
We're gas but we're going to have a ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, we're gonna be getting nothing.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:29):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (45:29):
And to your point about nuclear weapons? And people do
need to include myself, need to remember this. We've done
some polling on this question about Iran having a nuclear weapon,
and the American people are very much opposed to the
idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. How much they're
willing to do just you know, see that outcome to
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the end is up for debate. But if you ask them,
it's like eighty plus percent of people Democrats, Independence, Republicans.
I'm in the minority where I'm like, I don't care.
I'd rather nobody had them. Yeah, but if somebody's gonna
have them, what do I care?
Speaker 6 (46:08):
But the other question is means to an end? Right?
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Like again, when the war began, it was pretty obvious
people were shocked when the Chegos islands like that, that
ICBM got close to the islands.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
It's like, well, if.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
You take a look at the map of North Korea's
ability where they also say things like death to America
and sentiment. Uh, they already have like worldwide, we're in
their range.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Because that's just Europe, like the whole world is in
their range and they have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
So it's why it's good that he's Trump's best friend.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Yeah, I think we're good. Yeah, well Trump's button is bigger.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Don't forget that, that's right.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
As we learned on Twitter at one point.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
So yeah, I mean the idea that the war was
going to turn transform the country.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
Obviously, this is what.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Did just just not in the way that we but.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Not fundamentally transformed like the way Empowered.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Works empired the IRGC and brought them a lot more
revenue and lifted them out of the sanctions.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Abyss.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
Now, given what drop site has reported, what did you
make of the I told his son not being at
the funeral?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
So that's that was That was something that people have
have picked up on the reporting, was that he wanted
to be there and was really pressured, you know, not
to be there for what they say are security reasons.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
We'll talk about in a second.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Now, you know those the legitimate nature of those security concerns.
It has sparked, you know, controversy inside inside Iran as
people are jocking for power. There's also some question about,
you know, how badly he was injured in the strike
that killed comment a Comedy's fourteen year old grandson, his
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wife like his, a lot of comment Comedy's family, as
well as.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Senior leaders.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
The word that keeps coming out is that he was
significantly wounded. So perhaps they don't want to show how
badly he was wounded. But at the same time, we
can put up B three here. The US and Israel
are maniacs, like they cannot be trusted to not just
(48:23):
kill anybody the first opportunity they get. So Trump told
Axios here that they agreed to quote take a week
off and that quote neither side will shoot at the
other in order to.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Allow time for the morning.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Trump also told Axios that he was shocked at the
outpouring of support for the man he assassinated, and he
ruminated at one point.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Quote maybe it's faked tears.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
So there's hundreds of thousands of people coming out to
fake cry just to get one over on Trump, I guess.
But then Trump added, they're all there, one shot, and
we can take them all out, which isn't brackets, but
that's what he means. One shot and they can take
them all out. But we are not going to do
that because then we would have nobody to negotiate with.
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So you can see even in that moment, Trump just
kind of salivating at the opportunity of more killing, like more.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Oh, now the new people that came in, I could
kill them all.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
There's something captivating to him about the idea of just
being able to kill people with impunity. But the thing
holding him back, as he says, is well, then who
would we negotiate with.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
Well, let's put B five on the screen. Skip ahead here.
This is a report from NBC News headline, US was
concerned Israel might try to kill Iran negotiators. According to sources,
US officials were concerned that Israel might try to assassinate
Iran's negotiators during recent cease for our talks in Tehran.
Was worried about that about the possible threat, according to
a US of official and an Iranian official with knowledge
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of the matter.
Speaker 6 (50:03):
Ryan, So that got leaked from US to the press.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yes, this was crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
So you remember the Islamabad talks where Arachian Ghaliboff, and JD.
Vance all were there for like twenty four hours, and
then Vance kind of abruptly was like, we can't make
any progress. These guys aren't serious, and I'm going home.
So he goes home. The Pakistanis then escort the Iranian
delegation to the border, and as they're getting close to
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the border, the US picks up that Israel has scrambled
fighter jets in Iranian territory headed towards or headed towards
Iranian territory with the intent of shooting Arachian Golliboff's plane down,
and the US itself then scrambles and tells they say,
(50:51):
allies probably you know Turkey, Egypt Cutter, you know, they're
working the phones, and the US dimes out Israel and
says tell the Iranians that Nan Yahoo's trying to kill them.
And so their plane makes an emergency landing just over
the border inside Iran and they get in cars and
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drive like the eight hours to Tehran, which must have
been just an insane drive.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
You imagine being in those cars, like.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
You're like going through these like rugged winding mountain passes.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You're like, maybe what if we turned the headlights off.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Drivers like yeah, yeah, then we're gonna plunge off his mountain.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think we need the headlights.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
But then you're like, yeah, but if I don't want to,
you don't want to spook the drivers.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You don't exactly want to tell them why.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
I like this out.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
And everybody and you know, phones off, like everybody phones
in the bag. Yeah, turn turn your turn your satellite
devices off. So maybe if you have your phones off,
they wouldn't know which caravan to hit it. Then they're
just bombing like random, like Iranian villagers everywhere from.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
But yeah, so this is our ally.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
They So if there's any question about how hostile they
are to a cease fire and a peace deal, let's
let that disabuse any confusion.
Speaker 6 (52:21):
And on the topic actually of.
Speaker 5 (52:24):
The that's the right way to put an efficacy of
the military action.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
Let's go to B four.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
So we've also been told that Hamas is totally decimated.
This war was going to eradicate Hamas well. The speaker
of the Iranian Parliament, as you all reported here at
drop site, met with Hamas's Political Leadership Council chairman at
the Sunday delegation in Tehran during the funeral ceremonies. So Ryan,
(52:51):
that's also again it's a similar parallel. Now Hamas has
been much more what's the best way to put it,
much has has been much more damaged. Yeah, they're not
really shooting back October seventh, the post October seventh war
of course than the IRGC.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
But here they are living to negotiate and living to
talk to the.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Iranians, right, and Israel continues to violate the cease firing Gaza,
and Hamas, to your point, has not really been has
not been hitting back, and Iran has also not really
made demands about Gaza part of its negotiating strategies.
Speaker 6 (53:37):
We hadn't really covered. But that is interesting.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Yeah, they there's you know, there's a parallel track that
has a UN mandate.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
It's really interesting that.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
The Iranians, you know, have genuine respect for the UN
and you and take those processes seriously. And the fact
that the border piece got this UN blessing and has
created a negotiation track actually means something. It's funny because
we've here in the US were told that they're this
like rogue state and a bunch of terrorists. We are
(54:09):
the ones that really have the most amount of hostility
to the UN and to international law. But in practice,
like you know that that's ongoing now, they're they're trying
to be as supportive as they can. And I know
a lot of supporters of Palasan have been frustrated that
that Gaza has not been more right central to the
(54:32):
the cease fire negotiations whereas Lebanon has well.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
And that was a huge obviously point of disagreement with
the Abraham Accords, right, was that the Palestinian cause was
being squeezed.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Out, which was the whole Yeah, that was the whole.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
The whole idea behind the Abraham Accords was like we
can actually we don't have to solve this. We'll just
move We'll just move forward without it, right, without solving.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
It, right, right?
Speaker 5 (54:58):
Okay, So also looking at this of Hormuz market's about
to open here as we are recording this, but let's
put the next element up on the screen. It does
look like as drops reported here, according to City Bank,
crewed oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz have recovered
to about seven million barrels per day. That is up
from near zero levels, as you guys put it, during
(55:18):
the height of the conflict. That's according to City analysts
who were cited by the Financial Times. But before the war,
the straight carried twenty to twenty one million bpd of oil,
that is, including fifteen million of crude and five million
of the refined petroleum products.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
That seven million estimate, as.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Dropsite put it, likely under states actual traffic because many
commercial tankers have switched off. And we can go ahead
then put B seven up on the screens to report
from CNBC that a cargo vessel in the Red Sea
coming under attack according to the UK's Maritime Trade Operations Center,
(55:54):
So shipping across the region, I was going to say
unsteady right now, Maybe that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
But moving upward, And as City Bank points out, seven
million is what they counted, and that doesn't count the
people that turned off their transponders. So if you were
carrying twenty to twenty one million barrels per day before
the war, and you've got seven million that you can see,
if you have seven million that you can't see, at
(56:23):
least you're getting back up to somewhere between half and
two thirds of the pre war shipment. The because we
are trying to fill up our strategic reserve, our inventories,
and fuel our global economy. At the same time, you'd
rather have more coming out than less relative to pre
(56:45):
war because we're so far behind. But at least this
is like the global economic ivy bag is just getting
a drip at least.
Speaker 5 (56:55):
What do you make of this Red Sea report? Given
the chaos in Yemen over the last several.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Days as well, that remains this giant wildcard and remains
Iron's additional leverage that was not played during the war,
which is, you know, the Saudis were able to move
a lot by you the pipeline over to the Red Sea,
and you know a lot of global shipping comes through
(57:21):
the Red Sea. And it does show the value of
diplomacy to the United States. If you remember, the US
cut a deal with the Houthies that said, if you
stop attacking us our American ships, we will stop attacking you.
You can still attack Israel, It's not our problem.
Speaker 6 (57:39):
That was a very pragmatic type of deal, and.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
The Houthies like it and they stuck with it.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
They made threats that they were going to join the Iranians,
and they would tell Israel, if you do x y Z,
we will join as trying to draw some red lines,
but they never fully entered, and it's because they had
this agreement with the United States.
Speaker 5 (58:01):
And just an update on what happened in Yemen over
the weekend. I'm reading from an Al Jazeera headline just
from yesterday. Uthi rebels killed sixteen Yemeni government troops and
fiercest clashes in years that took place in Western Yemen's
their governorate is how it's put. But it's the They
(58:21):
had a minister of state and a cabint member aligned
with their government saying that the soldiers died in the fighting,
and violence, according to Al Jazeera, is now escalating. So
the politics of that, like Ryan put it, that's an
insane wild card in the region right now.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
It could also and we'll see how this unfolds. Further
explain why the Huthis kind of stayed out of the
conflict because perhaps they felt so Saudi Arabia was also
cutting deals with everybody, okay, and so Saudi Arabia several
years ago cut a deal with the Houthis. They were like, look,
(58:58):
we're sorry, like this was a mistake, please stop attacking
our refineries. We will stop backing this fake government that's
in Riod now literally in a hotel.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
We're out of this war.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
And the UA kept going, kept going because that's what
they do. And so it is likely that the Saudis
leaned also on the Hoothies to say, please stay out
of this war, don't attack us.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
During that to the Red.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Sea and with another agreement that who's said, Okay, when
this dies down, we're sweeping west and we're taking more,
we're taking more territory. And so that maybe what you're
seeing happen now with the Saudis saying, okay, look fine,
like we're we wish we hadn't gotten involved in this.
(59:43):
It was a little impulsive on our part, and we're
this between y'all, and and Saudis are still mad at
the Emirates that any damage that the Hoothi's due to
the Emirates, Saudis are gleeful for because they're fighting each
other over in Sudhan too.
Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
That's a lot of uncertainty amidst these efforts to have
deals in both regions.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
We have the greatest deal maker in the history of deals.
Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Thank goodness, he's here, yes, and he is focused like
a laser on communism.
Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
So let's talk about that Ryan
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