July 6, 2026 • 49 mins
Ryan and Emily discuss Zohran July 4th speech, AIPAC dumps millions into Michigan, Ryan cheers for FIFA corruption.
Noga Tarnopolsky: https://x.com/NTarnopolsky?lang=en
To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com
Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election,
and we are so excited about what that means for
the future of this show.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is the only place where you can find honest
perspectives from the left and the right that simply does
not exist anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So if that is something that's important to you, please
go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and
you'll access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, and
all put together for you every morning in your inbox.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We need your help to build the future of independent
news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints
dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Independence Day brought us dueling visions of America, one presented
by the Mayor of New York and the other presented
by the President of the United States, both triggering lots
of other Americans.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Let's roll Momdani.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
To start in the Mayor of New York with a
July third address, surrounded by some recent Americans.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
That legacy of every generation of Americans insisting that the
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness extends
to them too, is no relic of the past. It
carried millions of Black Americans north during the Great Migration,
it drew hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans to New
York City. After the Second World War, it invited countless
others from the West Indies and South Asia and West
(01:15):
Africa and across the world. And it is what brought
my family to the city when I was seven years old.
My family did not arrive by boat, although we saw
the statue of liberty from the window of the plane.
Even from the air, we could make out the promise
of America, the promise of the beautiful, patriotic work of
rendering America year after year a little more faithful to
(01:35):
its founding ideals. There is a term so often used
to describe our nation and those who have shaped it,
American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism that conventional wisdom tells us makes
our freedom a little more free. As how we dug
the Erie Canal and irrigated the West is why children
in far away lands grow up dreaming of one day
moving here. And yet the irony is that the story
(01:56):
of America has so often been written by those who
were told by others with power and influence and wealth
that they were anything but exceptional. For generation after generation,
we have been told that when the world has sent
its people to our shores, it has not sent its best.
It sent Puritans and Sikhs, and Quakers and Muslims and
Jewish people who were banished for praying the wrong way,
(02:18):
worshiping the wrong gods, angering the wrong people. It sent
peasants and serfs from slums and schattles who were treated
as less because they hardly owned clothes, let alone land.
It sent immigrants from whom power was something someone else had.
We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger,
(02:38):
more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is
that America is exceptional because here nothing is fixed into place.
The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on
the moon, but the work of fulfilling the values first
enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. That work endures, and
it belongs.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
To us all.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It belongs to to our newest Americans, those standing here
with me today, all of whom were recently naturalized. Nearly
a decade ago, I too felt what you feel, the
joy of no longer being just a New Yorker, but
an American too. You each hold a special power, the
power to determine what America means.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
President Trump, meanwhile, for some reason, waited until after eleven pm.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Basically, the weather was so bad here in DC. It
was raining, it's humid.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You didn't have a roof somewhere.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
People have been out on the mall forever on the
fourth of July, and so they delayed the fireworks. Although
there still was lightning during the fireworks. It was a
pretty It was kind of cool, but it was like
a very chaotic and dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was. And also this guy kills me. Fireworks are
basically for.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Children, right, I mean, adults think they're cool for like
five minutes, but it's really for the family and for
the kids.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You started them at midnight. It was wrong with you.
And one reason they started midnight is because Trump had
to give a speech.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Why forty minute speech?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Well, all of the musical acts canceled and after that
Trump said, all right, I'm just gonna I.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Was going to do it last.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They said, we have the greatest performer with the biggest paw,
So what do we need all these you know, these
has been.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Who didn't know they'd been booked, was basically the story.
And some of them, yeah, anyway, So.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Trump played the hits for us here. Let's roll some Trump.
Speaker 8 (04:22):
He vanquished fascism, Americans against the evil of communism in
the Cold War. And as they said last night at
the beautiful Mount Rushmore, what a beautiful place where Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln,
and Theodore Roosevelt loomed over my shoulder as I spoke,
America will never be a communist country.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Won't happen.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Communism is a loser and it always will be. The
communist system is the opposite of the American system. And
the communist system has never worked. Warriors did not fight
communism on battlefields across the world only to have that
menace rear its ugly head right back here in America.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We're not going to let it happen.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
We'd like to stop a threat like that immediately and
before it begins, just like a cancer, you got to
cut it out. You got to cut it out fast.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Now, hold on, we got a fact check. He says
we fought communism on the battlefield. We have met communism
on the battlefield in Vietnam, Korea.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, those are the more overt conflicts.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And you know, maybe we want to say Angola or
Central America. Where did we beat communism on the battlefield?
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Where did we beat it? The question that is not
where we met it, but we met it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
He says we beat them, right or did he just
say we fought them? He didn't mention and YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Well, we fought them.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We definitely fought them.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
He listen. I obviously we.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Won the Cold War. You can say that, but that's
a battle feeling right right, right right? Or did we Yeah,
it's just China. Still, this was forgot about China.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Well, he just referenced the speech that he gave the
day before at Mount Rushmore. He may have also mentioned
the like communist threat when he was doing the Teddy
Roosevelt Library opening. But what was rolled out this weekend
after zaramm Danni, after the Dializa victory, the milak Kiro's victory.
Clearly they have poll tested communism instead of socialism. And
(06:33):
that's the significance of bringing both of these speeches together
in the same place, because clearly they just started testing this.
And I honestly like to the extent that I don't
think we talk quite enough and audience members will hate
me for saying this, but quite enough about some of
the history of communism in the twentieth century.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
This is the politics of this.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I'm not sure are going to resonate, actually, and I
would question their poll testing of just turning people who
are saying politically things about, well, our democratic socialism is
just medica for all, and you know like that. I
don't know that turning them into the communists are trying
to transmogrify democratic socialism into communism in the American imagination
actually is the best political maneuver, which was interesting.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I don't see how it would work.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Bannon doesn't seem to think so either, Right, So let's
let's roll Steve Bannon here.
Speaker 9 (07:23):
I want to talk about the labor participation rate. That
essentially means basically thirty nine percent or thirty nine almost
forty percent of people eligible to work or out of
the labor force. Why do you think the marxisty hottest
are getting traction and men Domi's not ten feet high.
(07:44):
Don't believe that at all. In fact, I think he's
got He potentially has feet of clay if you move
and moves smartly. But here's what you can't do, Republicans
in the pundit class. He's got a ton of pundits.
You can't take a copy of Milton Friedman and throw
it at him or Atlas Shrugged. You're going to go
(08:06):
back to the Paul Ryan and to all the playbook
at Ted Cruz's entire crowd. This is how you got
in this jam. You're not going to take Atlas Shrug
and throw it at him. You're not going to take
Milton Friedman's but freedom and capitalism throw it at him.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's not going to work.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
Why is it not going to work? Because the elites
in this country have sold the country out all this
garbage and talk about free trade and free trade and
free trade, and you had a mercantilist system run by
real hardcore communists in China, of which the American business
community and most of the Republican donors underwrote to take
(08:46):
your jobs. This is why this entire situation is like
a Greek tragedy, and that the great strength of our
hero turns out to be his core weakness.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And the main the thing I've seen thrown at Mam
Donnie is this Paul Ryan line makers makers versus takers,
which is which was lame when Paul Ryan was doing it,
and they're like, Mam Donnie is a taker, and it
puts it puts the speaker in the position of saying
that they're the maker, that they're they're the ones that
(09:22):
are you know, we're the boss where we built the factory,
we built this. You're just taking from us, You're just leeches.
It's unpatriotic in the sense that it's it's denigrating, you know,
huge swaths of the of the country. And it doesn't
really delineate where the takers begin, like our union workers
(09:47):
takers because they're organizing together for bigger wages that you
think if they weren't organizing for that would just be
money that the bosses, the owners of the factory would
be able to take home. They certainly think at all
public service workers or takers. And so yeah, for Bannon,
he's like, no, this is you need a different playbook,
(10:09):
Like you try that and here we are.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So what do you think is like what would you
throw at them?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
What you were you have deming the way Paul Ryan's
God forbid.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
The way that they don't see it is they think
they can say this is going to be such a disaster.
But people think the status quo is a disaster. And
so if you are just saying what's going to happen
is going to be a disaster, it doesn't work anymore
because people feel like we are in a disaster, and
a lot of people do.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I'm not saying everybody does.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There's some people who have very comfortable lives and probably
still will be moved by the Paul Ryan language, but
it's not everyone, and it's not most people anymore. If
you're looking at polling about how socialism fares with young
people or public opinion of socialism with younger Americans particularly,
it's really not that much of a political win to
just be like, oh, Ryan Grimm's is socialist. They're like, oh, interesting,
(11:01):
tell me what you want to do to make my
life easier. And so you have to proactively explain what
you're going to do that's not the status quo. You
can't just be like that guy's a commie, that guy's
a socialist. You actually have to have a positive vision
for what would transform the status quo, which is what
the socialists are doing now.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I thought the optics.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
I actually thought the Mamdani speech itself was really, really
really interesting. Like I pulled up the transcript here and
I'm looking at it, and if I just read this,
I think it would be a fun experiment to just
go out in the street and read this to some
people and be like, who do you think gave this speech?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I mean, listen this, he says.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Here at City Hall, as I sit behind George Washington's
desk alongside New Americans who came to this country, I
cannot see all of America, but like so many who
came before, I can.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
See New York City. Then he goes on to tell
this story of the founding of the country.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
In July seventeen seventy six, our city simmered under the
yoke of oppression.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The British didn't take a while war broke out.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
He's like literally talking about George Washington leaving Brooklyn. It
sounds like Glenn Beck in the tea party ear like
talking about colonial oppression.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And I thought the optics of the speech.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He's usually so much better optically, it was kind of
like a dull aesthetic and nobody the New Americans that
were behind him weren't smiling. I actually thought some of
the criticisms of the aesthetics of it were on, and
it's a rare aestheticness from Zoron. But the speech itself
was potent, Like there was something in that that tells.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
You this is a totally new generator.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
The guy who was flipping off Columbus when he was
wearing a glove during COVID famously in his like twenty
twenty posts, is here saying I'm sitting behind George Washington's
desk and telling the history of us fighting off the
yoke of British oppression, and is like being reverential about
our founding ideals. As he put it, that is a
totally different generation of democratic socialism.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And I think a lot of people who were triggered
by the speech didn't actually listen to it agree completely
because they're like, yeah, he's just trashing America.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It's like, actually, he's not. You picked up a good part.
We can roll. Let's roll. This is how he ended
the speech. And you tell me if this sounds like
somebody who's trashing the country.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Ours is a nation working each day towards the perfection
in which it was conceived, a nation striving each day
to better itself. Therein lies the work of America. The striving,
the bettering, the reaching towards perfection. What a privilege each
of us has to live in a nation that every
one of its inhabitants can shape. What a responsibility each
(13:28):
of us possesses to prove ourselves worthy of all those
who came before. What power each of us holds to
bring America ever closer to the greatness so many have
seen when they looked upon these shores, the greatness that,
for two hundred and fifty years has been America.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Thank you. I mean, how's that anti Americans? It's very
Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Yeah, the clips from the right were saying, here's Zaramamdanni
taking the opportunity to criticize the United States on the
four of July, and that's how the R and C
was framing it and Republican groups were framing it. But interestingly,
on the left Zoron himself, the clips that were coming
out were positive about America, which is kind of fascinating
(14:13):
because there's so I pulled up poll numbers. The Cato
Institute just did an interesting poll, and as Democratic socialists
are trying to go national, when you look at polling,
overwhelming majorities CATO rights are grateful for the country eighty
six percent, and proud to be Americans seventy nine percent.
Most also believe America is a land of opportunities sixty
(14:34):
one percent, and even more believe the American Dream seventy
four percent is available to them personally.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Now you get different.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Poll results if you test like whether people think the
American Dream is dead or alive. But that's when you
ask people if it's available to them personally. Seventy six
percent say they're positive about the nation's founding. Zora Mamdani
was positive about the nation's founding, talking about the ideals,
not like wallowing in George Washington as a slave owner,
which is a real part of the history shouldn't be ignored.
(15:00):
But when you're celebrating the fourth of July, it's kind
of appropriate to focus on the ideals. And that's exactly
what he did in a country where the polling people do.
If you want to take democratic socialism out of Brooklyn
and the Commy Corridor into the rest of the country,
this is the messaging that is much much sharper, more
clever to strike.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And what he did which I loved, which was that
he said the thing that is standing between us and
the perfection of the American ideals is the billionaire class
that wants to divide us, wants to keep us fighting
so that we can't reach our common destiny together. So
(15:38):
he connects the founding of the country with an idealistic
vision and identifies the obstacle to achieving that vision accurately
as this billionaire Epstein class. And so then the task
at hand for the American people is clear, get them
out of their way and we can reach our destiny.
(16:01):
Like let's start tacting a little bit of their wealth
and start building the thing that we all want together.
Let's also and to ban his point people they're saying,
go ahead, let Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz argue against that.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I'll say the Trump speech he gave like everyone was
just ready for fireworks at that point, it was so late,
it was about to bust out into rain. He gave
like a forty minute speech, some of it where he
brought out these veterans I think one of them was
one hundred and seven years old. Just incredible for them
to then have the camera out. We had the camera
(16:37):
on them as they were watching the fireworks. That was
super fascinating and moving to watch but it was chaotic
on the National Mall.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
See four. Let's play a little bit of this.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
You can see what it looked like on the mall
as people were for waiting for fireworks. Oh my gosh,
this was like earlier in the evening, so they had
evacuated the mall. At one point in the afternoon or
early evening, they canceled the whole parade. Like imagine the
money and the months like year plus that went into
(17:06):
organizing the parade. Canceled it because it was too hot,
and then people tried to get back in, and you
can see that in the later in the evening as
people are trying to get back into the mall for
the fireworks.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Trump actually opened his.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Speech by talking about how there had been some like
three hundred four hundred thousand people evacuated and now there
were almost I think he said, like two hundred thousand
people that were there.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He started literally by.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Talking about the numbers to address it in case anybody
was thinking, wow, that crowd looks small. He wanted to
get it out of the way right away before even
getting into the speech. We had many more people, but
you know, the rain and all of that, but they
didn't have a contingency plan for any of this. They
haven't had contingency plans for the Great American State Fair,
where Julian actually from jobsite was reporting. I think on Saturday,
(17:48):
after Friday's heat, there were seven people on critical life
support in the hospital fair.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
And that's East coast wide.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I mean the actually like nationwide, the heat has been
just insane over the last couple of weeks, but the
state Fair was proceeding. They evacuated that the Great American
State Fair, in the National Mall was evacuated on Friday
for heat reasons, and they didn't have a contingency plan,
Like there weren't what I heard from people who were
out there, there weren't like misters that were keeping people cool.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
No, and they were banning water. You couldn't bring water in.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
You had to buy it inside.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right, what kind of country is this? It's a public
state fair, public event, a security thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You're right, right for this?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
They should have break death, they should have opened it
up like it actually all just should have been a
roving coming in and out. Obviously security challenges, but it's
the National Mall.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It's the National Mall, and they had, They had no
real way to evacuate the people from the mall once
the lightning started.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
What they should have done is told.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Them that Mike Pence was done the Capitol, he was
about to count the Electoral College. I don't think I
would have cleared them out immediately.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I don't think there were enough FBI people in the crowd.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Get them over there.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
They were all prepping for their Patriot Front march the
next day.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
There was a hilariously pathetic Patriot Front march on the
fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I wanted to join. They wanted to join the parade.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
The parade.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
They were going to try to disrupt the parade.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Right Patriot Front, which almost certainly is listen.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
I don't actually think January sixth was offence directually.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
That was a little joke.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Having reported on it live on the ground as it
was happening, it was like a lot of normal people
who just got whipped into a frenzy. Some of the
people who were whipping were probably FEDS, but not everybody was.
And in this case the Patriot Front guys, I mean
it looked like it looked like a FED festival, a festival.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It was crazy. They're all out there.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
With their net gators preparing with like their flags, chanting
weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I had to go on the metro instead because it
was too hot. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Wild scenes on the fourth of July, America's two hundred
and fiftieth birthday here in Washington, DC did not go
exactly as the Trump administration had planned.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Ryan, did you watch the fireworks?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I did.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
I did.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
We stayed up. I was on a rooftop.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But then about twenty minutes in like okay, like fifteen
twenty minutes, and I'm like, okay, I get it. Like
they did this kind of spectacular thing where for this
entire row along like I think it was along the Potomac,
they'd have like a dozen fireworks go up simultaneously and
create this row.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They're like, wow, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Like cost millions of dollars, no doubt, but that's looks
really cool.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And then they did it again and again and again.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It was long and again. I asked my friend. I
texted my friend. I was like, how is the finale?
Because we left before it. He's like, it was just
a giant cloud of smoke.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
That's exactly what it was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, in Trump's defense, who knew that fireworks create a
lot of smoke.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's hard to predict that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's very hard to predict that wouldn't have seen that coming.
Speaking of though, the stupidest person on the planet. I
didn't want to leave this second without talking about form
Jill Biden spokesperson Michael L.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Rossa, who I think had the He's.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Been on the show by the way, as he Yeah,
Crystal and I interviewed him.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Amazing he had.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He had most amazing comment about Mom Donnie's speech two
months shy of the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven.
This is what New York City's mayor has to say
about the fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Mom Donnie is unwell.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Unwell, And you're like, wait a minute, hold on, first
of all, it's two months and a week shy of
nine to eleven, nine to eleven, Like what is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I want to know what is the window around September
eleventh where a Muslim has to be like conscious of
what they're saying about New York City? Is it three months?
So so every from June through I guess like September, October, November,
December maybe into January. So June into January basically, but
(21:54):
then if you get into February, like you're getting close
to the sixth month by annual anniversary of nine to eleven,
so you got to be careful around that time too.
It's like, how did you bring nine to eleven into this?
I don't you know, absolutely, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Speaking of absolute morons, let's talk about the Michigan Senate race.
There we go, surprising news out of the Michigan Democratic
Senate primary yesterday, as again it's a Sunday, and Mallory
mcmorro suspended her campaign for the Michigan Senate Democratic nomination.
Let's take a listen to her announcement video today.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
I'm announcing that I am suspending my campaign for United
States Senate, and I'm doing it with a deep, deep
sense of gratitude for our thousands of volunteers, for everyone
who donated what you could building a campaign with zero
corporate pack dollars.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Okay, that was like the consultant focus group tested candidate
in this race, who I think a lot of consultant
types on the left ryn they thought with Mallard mcmorro,
who initially went viral for pushing back on quote unquote
book bands, which actually it was a lot of Muslims
in Michigan that we're upset about. It was a lot
(23:13):
of Christians, a lot of Muslims as well. But she
went viral during the pandemic era because people were saying,
here we have this normal Michigan mom making a kind
of inspirational left argument against this and look, she seems
like a normal soccer mom, and we might be able
to take her all the way to the Senate. She's
(23:34):
actually lived in California right before moving to Michigan. I
think maybe her husban's for Michigan or something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
But anyway, vote for Gawker, right, did she think so?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
After all of that, Malar mcmorro suspended her Senate campaign.
Let's take a look at this throwback conversation between Emma
Viigland and Malar mcmorroe on Medicare for all.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
A public option is an improvement, of course on the
private marketplace and the affordable care, but that would still
involve premiums and deductibles. Why not go all the way
to medicare for all?
Speaker 12 (24:05):
Yeah, I hear you on the vision, I one hundred
percent do.
Speaker 13 (24:10):
And what I know, after almost a decade, as experience
in a legislator is that you need to push as
far as you possibly can while building the coalition of
votes to actually get it across the line. And the
support for a true single payer system isn't there yet.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
I think that when we're talking about how to keep
a coalition together, the seventy seven percent of Democrats that
think Israel's committing genocide, the ninety percent of Democrats that
do that have a negative view of Israel or don't
want to send them more money, that would, I would imagine,
be the position that would be as unifying as possible,
(24:51):
because it appears like this is kind of a consensus
opinion now within the Democratic base.
Speaker 12 (24:57):
I mean, I hear that it's reflective in polls, and
reading polls and asserting how campaign should be run based
off of polls is not a way that you win
in a state like ours.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Well, I hear that, I hear the vision.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
She's so so acting, and you just get from her
that she's artificial. I'm sorry, I'm really going in on
Mellie mcmaurrow. I can't stand her, But it's more that
I can't stand.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The cat drives you crazy because it's.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
The consultant class.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
I was going to say, like, what drives me crazier
than mcmorro is that the consultant class looks at that
and says, this is what we'll connect with normal people
in Michigan. This is how we make our democratic agenda
look palatable to people in Michigan. She's inauthentically Michigan. It's
just I'm not from Michigan, from Wisconsin, so I don't give.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Like I'm not I can't speak for Michigan.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
But it's just like, come on, like it just drives
me crazy because it's like that we're ten plus years
in the Trump phenomenon and that's what they're coming up
with and thinking that.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
It's going to work.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You know, ironically, it may have if not for el
said running to running to her left, because Haley Stevens
running in the establishment lane was such a and is
such a flawed candidate that she would have I think
been a lot more appealing compared to Compared to Stevens.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
At least she sounds like she's from Michigan, and Abdul
I think comes across as much more of like a
Michigander too, Like he just seems to be much more
fluent in Michigan than.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And mcmorroe had the endorsement of Elizabeth Warren and kind
of ran in that Elizabeth Warren lane, and it'll be
very interesting to see what Warren does. She's much closer
obviously to el Sid's politics, so she goes out with
AOC and Bernie and campaigns that could be that could
be decisive. There's this there's been a lot of pressure
on McMorrow to drop out and endorse Stevens, to try
(26:46):
to stop Elside from everything.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We gather. McMorrow is no fan of Hailey Stevens, so
if she.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Does that, it will be as a favor to the
party establishment with the party bosses, not because she herself
kind is a huge fan of Haley Stevens. There was
a Politico report that Elside immediately called McMorrow thanked her
for running because now everybody's going to be trying to
court her and her supporters, but that Stevens didn't well
(27:15):
until the Politico reached out.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
As soon as Politico reached out, that's what happened. Let's
skip ahead to D five.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
This is from prem Thacker, who posted from Zteo, who
posted Haley Stevens makes no outreach to Malory McMorris supporters,
while Abdul el said explicitly welcomes them to his movement.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Put out a press release right away.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
The El said campaign and said, throughout this campaign, Center
MCMA showed what it looks like to fight back against
the politics that rigs the system against too many of us.
While we have policy disagreements, I never questioned whether Senator
mcmorro would fight for a better America for my daughters
and hers goes on to say, welcome her supporters to
our movement and stand up again to stand up against
money in politics. Finally, a couple other things we wanted
(27:54):
to mention here, the polling and the ad spending. This
is according to Ad Impact Politics AD reservations as of
July first three hundred and I'm sorry, thirty four point
four million reserve for Haley Stevens, eight point nine million
reserve for Malar McMorrow, two point eight million reserved for
Abdul l Sayed. And then finally, the Real Clear Politics
average as of yesterday we can pop up on the screen.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
This is for the al Saied campaign.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
I mean they were at thirty five point zero in
a three way race between Stevens, who was at twenty
nine point seven, and mcmarrow who was only at seven
point seven. So where that seven point seven goes that
is obviously determinative because if it all goes to one
or the other, if it goes to Stevens, you're basically
(28:41):
in a tie. And if it goes to el sayed,
the race is totally different. And he's a really really
comfortable lead. He's up five point three points in the
RCP average right now, and recent polling is all from June,
so it's not like it's sparse like that's a pretty
good indication of where the voters are.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And by the way, what's let's not leave without identifying
the wild thing that happened in this race that you're
probably not going to hear about from like CNN or
the New York Times as they cover this development. But
if you watched it in real time, you saw it happen.
And that was that. In March, the mcmorroll campaign decided,
(29:20):
and the Stevens campaign as well, but mcmorroll really taking
the lead on it, decided to make son Piker Yes
a major part of the campaign, as Abdul said had
said he was going to campaign with with Piker, the
twitch twitch leftist twitch streamer, and mcmorroll comes out and
slams him and says compared a son Piker to Nick
(29:41):
Fuentes that that was what mcmorroe did.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
And in a state, by the way, where you're running
in a primary, a Democratic primary, which means you have
to have grassroots and young voters. It's a state with
a bunch of young Muslims that are involved in the
grassroots at the Democratic primary level.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And at the time that she did this, the race
had been pretty stable for months, and that was Stevens
with a slight lead over McMorrow, and then Elsayad a
couple of points behind. They were all in the twenties,
but with Stevens in the lead. And as the weeks
(30:22):
go by and the major focus of the race becomes
this question of Hassan Piker, which then evolves into the
question of where the different candidates stand on the question
of arming Israel and whether or not they're willing to
call out it's genocide, it begins to become apparent to
voters what's going on here, and that Elsaiad is the
(30:45):
progressive left laying candidate. Like it really cemented that idea
in people's minds, and McMorrow by comparing some Hassan Piker
t Fuentes, came off as cynical and dishonest because nobody,
like nobody who knows anything about the two of them
(31:06):
thinks that there's any similarity between them other than they're
both critical of Israel. Nick this is an outspoken white
supremacist or white nationalist or whatever he says.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
He is supremacist, whatever. He's not a Bier.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He's a completely different political animal on the far right.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
And so.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It destroyed her campaign like that alone. Third Way went
to the New York Times and they made this like
third Way is this corporate centrist group saying that that
the tent needs to be drawn such that Hassan Piker
is out of the tent. And they launched this campaign
with the New York Times and CNN and all these others.
Jake Tapper doing programming a program about it, Fox News
(31:50):
covering it every single day, and the lines were drawn
and it's mcmorro that was pushed out of it because
people were pushed on the question, and when they weren't
pushed on the question, well, and.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Hailey Stephens is already in the race, like, you're not
going to out Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens, that's impossible.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And mcmorroe had the strategy going in that she was
going to try to keep and it's kind of it's
messed up how you have to strategize around a pack.
But her goal was not to win APAX support because
she knew that wouldn't be possible because Stevens had beaten
Andy Levin with millions of dollars in APAC support. She
(32:30):
was clearly APAX candidate in a previous race, so it
was very unlikely that mcmorroe was going to become APAX candidate.
But what she wanted to do is persuade APAC to
stay out of.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
The of the race.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Just let us fight this out and then we'll see
you in the general see you in the general election.
To that end, and this is where dropsite played a
role in this election. To that end, one of her
top supporters on a donor call said that mcmorroe had
submitted an excellent APACK paper because policy position paper, I
(33:07):
suspect he misspoke and he meant DMFI, which is Democratic
Majority for Israel, which is kind of an APAC offshoot.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Either way.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So mcmorroll produced this secret Israel policy paper in an
attempt to keep APACKED out That kept coming up throughout
the race with people saying this also appears cynical, like
what do you not what's in that paper? Release the paper?
What are you not telling us about your actual position.
(33:36):
Daniel Biss, who won his race against kat In and
against an APAC candidate in Chicago, he also got hit
because he met with APAC trying to keep them out.
Wasn't trying to win their support, and wasn't bending to
everything they wanted, but he met with them just to
try to because he met, he was meeting with everybody.
He said after the race, if he had to do ever,
(33:58):
to do over again, and his advice to other candidates
do not ever meet with them because it's just politically
too toxic even to take the meeting. And mcmorro I
think found that out if she had not done that
secret policy paper and if her donor hadn't, because what
good is it if you can't tell people about it?
So she the donor kind of told other donors about
(34:20):
it on this off the record call, but then they
got that got leaked. Is that really? So that really
screwed her. So it's an amazing own goal on the
part of Third Way. Who thought they were going to
make Hassan Piker the center of this campaign. They succeeded,
(34:41):
and they blew themselves.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
Up totally embarrassing, and it's just missing misreading where the
electorate is. And I just like a ridiculous way. It's
not that hard anymore, honestly, Like it's I think of
McMorrow as the type of candidate that ten years ago
actually might have been a slam dunk, or twenty years
ago it might have been a slam dunk. But even
he Stevens in this like new media environment, she's out
(35:03):
there just like riffing and saying the craziest shit ever
in a way that does feel a lot less stage
managed than McMorrow And Abdullah Sayad feels a lot less
stage managed too, Like he goes on Fox News and
answers tough questions.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
He like he just comes across as a normal guy.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
He knows how to talk on podcasts and just have
a like authentic, genuine conversation where you don't think he's
reciting talking points.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Same thing with.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Haley Stevens as like crazy as Hailey Stevens is she's out,
they're like riffing about how she dreams about Israel, like
she's just talking haunt and mcmorrow's the type of candidate
who would never she's like so risk averse.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
She can't do either of those things. So it's just
was an impossible lane with all three of them in
the race.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
And it's unfortunate because I think like there is something
likable and like there's some inherent talent behind McMorrow if
she would have been unleashed, like you know, if she
would have just been able to be herself. But she
was trying to calibrate this goldilocks thing of not the
(36:11):
establishment candidate, but I'm also not the right the super
far left it and it didn't allow her to It
made her just constantly be measuring everything that she was
saying exactly, and that that turned out to be too
difficult once she kind of deliberately polarized the race around Israel,
(36:31):
which was a huge mistake.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Huge mistake.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Well, we'll obviously continue to cover that race the primaries.
I believe August fourth ground, right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, that's right, And now, like Olside's supporters are pretty
confident at this point, but you know, there's millions and
millions and millions of dollars coming in for Stevens. This
race is not over like she could if the polls
showed that about half, maybe of Steve of mcmorroe's remaining
support could go to Stevens. So if outside can pick
up that other half and he's a really good position.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
All right, Well, let's talk about the huge This is
the huge conflict roiling FIFA at the moment and has
the United.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
States very excited.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Valerian Ballagan will play for the United States tonight against Belgium.
After an intervention by President Donald Trump, the undisputed winner
of the FIFA Peace Prize. She made a call to
the head of FIFA and said, hey, look, we just
want you go ahead and look into this red card situation.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
He made some peace, he made the peace.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He's again, he's a peace maker.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So Donald Trump, thanking FIFA for help for getting flowback
onto the field.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
We can put up E two here.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Thank you to FIFA for doing what was right and
reversing a great injustice, President Donald J.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Trump. So basically what happened is the US is striker.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Landed his foot accidentally landed on somebody else's ankle and
they gave him a red card for it, which, you know,
things happen, and when you get a red card, you
are then automatically suspended for the next game as well.
FIFA has the authority under an article something something something
to suspend the suspension. And according to all of the
different reporting that we.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Have, it was a heavily disputed call.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Disputed call, and you know heavily it can like you're
going for the ball.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
It can happen. Yeah, things can happen. Yeah, you know,
your red card.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Leg finds another man's leg.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
The legs are moving fast. Apparently.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
One thing that the Trump administration protested was the use
of super slow motion replay on the doling out of
these red cards, because it is true that it always
looks worse, almost always looks worse in slow motion. It's like, oh,
look he's aiming right for the ankle, and ooh, that
looks like it really hurt. And unlike almost every other
(38:55):
tackle in soccer where the guy's faking being heard, yeah,
that one looked like it actually did heart.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah. But also you know, it's let the boys play.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So this is the Trump for once using his powers
of corruption for the country.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Well, you were pointing.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Out earlier in the show that actually this is Americans
arriving on the soccer scene. We have learned how to
play soccer correctly, just that.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You bribe the FEVA.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Well, let's put.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Let's put the first element up on the screen. This
is confirmation that this Ben Jacobs, not the political reporter
Ben Jacobs.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, different. Ben Jacobs confirmed.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
The White House made a direct call to FIFA to
ask Gianni and Fantino to review Valigan's red card. FIFA
approach for comment referred to the findings of its independent committee.
FIFA sources insist white House influence could not affect the
decision due to the powers contained in Article twenty seven
and the independent nature of the disciplinary panel.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
But obviously the White House did take a call.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Trump has very carefully not taken credit, you notice, than
the true social He.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Didn't say anything.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
He just thanked them for making the right decision. Now
we can also put this Klay Travis post up. This
is the third element. According to Clay Travis, he's conservative
sports journalist. He says President Trump, Commerce Secretary Lutnik and
White House Task Force head Andrew Giuliani. He is the
son of Rudy Giuliani put together a team of elite
(40:23):
lawyers from outside the government to challenge the Balligan red cards. Specifically,
they challenged the use of slow motion, as Ryan mentioned,
incidant replay to give the red card, which they argued
violated FIFA rules. The President also conveyed to Gianni Infantino
that the appeal had been filed and he believed the
red card penalty was excessive. FIFA's Independent Committee reviewed the
decision and agreed the penalty was incorrectly.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Given, rescinding it under their Rule twenty seven authority.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Now, Brent, I think you can actually make an argument
that all makes sense right, that it was a bad
call and that the suspension.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Of course, we can make that case.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Now.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Don't tell me that any other country would refuse to
use this power in the World Cup. If any other
country had this level of sway, they had the FIFA
Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office in their version
of the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
You're telling me they don't make this call. I don't
buy it.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Now we should mention that Belgium is appealing. So the
CNBC headline from yesterday Belgium set to appeal as PIFA
reverses Baligan's World Cup suspension after Trump reportedly intervenes. So
Belgians are furious. No surprise there at BBC. When I
checked their website this morning, they were leading with the
headline that was integrity of game at stake over FIFA
(41:39):
Balligan decision UEFA. So they're reporting that Baligan, who was
sent off against the Bosnia Herzegovinia, should have had a
suspension for the last sixteen tie against Belgium, but FIFA offered,
not opted not to enforce that. FA said that this
is the European Soccer League said that our authority said
that intervening to effective cancel suspension at a tournament quote
(42:02):
crossed a red line and the idea.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
That FIFA has any integrity to be challenged amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Get out of here, stop it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You don't have any So Emily has been doing more
social media and so she did a direct to camera
reaction to this ruling when it first came out.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Let's put up four.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Corruption is not bad.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
Corruption is only bad if I'm not involved, Yes, but
if I'm part of that corruption.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
I defend it.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
We are all that.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Guy, How did you get that video of me?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
We are all emily, I mean, and I think this
is how where Europeans going to learn something about Americans. Like,
we like to win, and we don't. Many of us
do not like our president. We also don't like the
stupid rules that this stupid game has, and we are
I think repulsed by Belgium's anger at this. Like it's okay, fine,
(43:04):
Trump used his power illegally to get the American's best
player back in.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
But that's not your business.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Your job is to go out on the field and
beat our best team that we can put out on
the field. You're supposed to want to beat our best players.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
It's us.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
How could you be so intimidated by us.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
We're in the United States playing soccer.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
You're fine, and.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
You can beat our best players.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Hey, yes, yes, but you're right win with the best
players and not on this what was obviously a very
questionable red card call to begin with.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
So but all these stupid red card calls are pretty questionable.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
The whole the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
Brian's getting dangerously close to say, play football like a man.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
The whole sport is just a little bit ridiculous. By
how much it hinges on these on all of this
stuff and then the penalty.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Kicks and off side like it's just dumb. But whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
This is the US playing the game of soccer how
it's always been played. And now we're now we're actually
getting involved in the corruption, and so we are we're
going to we're going to defend this corruption. And so
the game will be tonight at what nine o'clock, eight
(44:19):
eight o'clock against against Belgium. And also we had to
beat two teams at once Bosnia.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
To get there.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
You're right, and you're going to say that it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
That's twenty two players against eleven.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I'm sorry, but every other country, both Bosnia and Herskovinia, would.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Be using this power if they had it at their disposal.
Everyone would be using this power.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Trump, by the way, this morning on True Social put
out a very random post where he said Harry Kane
of England is a great player.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
That's all he said.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
Amazing actually early this morning, so like to eleven oh
eight pm last night.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Actually also real quickly do people know and people who
aren't following this might not know Balligan's story. You know
how it intersects people who don't know it. His Nigerian
family was like visiting the United States and they were
on their way to London, but she was so pregnant
(45:21):
that the airline wouldn't let her get on the plane,
and so she had flow here in the United States,
and then once they were able to fly again, they
went back. And he grew up in the UK and
as a boys under seventeen always played with the UK.
(45:42):
But he has said that Americans, as they were getting
more and more into soccer, would constantly be kind of
in his mentions and comments, saying well, why don't you
play for us? Why don't you play for us rather
than the English team? And because he had their birthright citizenship,
he was able to do that. And also he's able
to start because we're not as good as England.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
So it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
He loves loves being on the field, and now we
have a president who's willing to fight for him and
get him back on the field. Meanwhile, Wild when it
went down in Mexico and put up e five here,
so this is these are Mexican fans outside of the
English players hotel, having having an all night party, setting
(46:25):
off setting off fireworks, playing music rather crass ley. I
guess we could all say trying to keep the English
team awake didn't work. Oh, I mean it might have worked.
Maybe they were pretty tired, but they beat Mexico last
night and then also Norway knocked off Brazil yesterday. I
(46:47):
don't know if you watched this game, watch it, but
the most Viking looking guy ever Norwegian scored two goals,
just this.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Absolute Norwegian specimen.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
You're like, that's comical, like that, that's what the North
Eachan guy looks like.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
I was reading.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
He's like a foot taller than the Brazilians and his
first header is just so nasty. Yeah, and his second
goal where he just blasts it into the corner like
it's brutal.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
It's a brutal way to lose.
Speaker 12 (47:14):
Now.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
I was reading an essay recently that said soccer actually
is the highest upset rate of Americans, like if you
compare it with baseball and American football, which has the
highest upset.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Rate, which I think is the knock on it from
Americans perspective, because it's like there's so much chance involved
and you can be dominating, dominating, dominating, and then then
you just get one run going the other end and both.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
So it's a tough one for Americans.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
But but the argument is that makes it fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
That's the argument.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah. Also, we need more commercial breaks like it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I think Americans feel uncomfortable if like there's live action
for ten minutes and we haven't heard from like Buffalo
Wild Wings telling us.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
About the new special for the new specials.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And so for the first time ever, FIFA added these
fake water breaks so that we can ever a so
that Buffalo Wild Wings can We're like, okay, now we
now we now we feel centered and grounded.
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Should I buy the bud light?
Speaker 7 (48:15):
And then you know, yeah, and then someone tells us yes,
and producer Mattress adds finally before we go that it
is against FIFA's own rules to use slow motion on
red cards.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Just the final point tie this all together.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well did they maybe they did? Well, yeah, that's true, producer.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
See, everyone everyone in America, left to right, left, center
and right is going to defend the corruption.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
We don't call him good soccer guy. We call him
good politic guy. Check out that channel, all right, that's going.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
To do it for us.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
On today's edition of Breaking Points. I think I think
Sager and Jetty is going to be back and in
studio tomorrow with you for a bro show.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Us?
Speaker 6 (48:55):
A bro show all week? Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
If soccer keeps showing up?
Speaker 7 (49:00):
Oh well, Tuesday, Thursday Bro show, that's right, that's right, Okay, well,
all right, fingers cross for a bro show tomorrow. Fingers Cross.
Hope everybody had a wonderful July fourth. If you haven't
sign up for the newsletter, it's Breakingpoints dot com. Just
as a reminder, it's totally free. If you want a
media version, you can get a premium subscription that also
sends the entire show into your inbox. Early uncut version
(49:21):
that's Breakingpoints dot com. If you've been having any problems,
make sure just check your spam folder first. But then
if you still need help, help at kit dot com.
Kit dot com is the email address. Ryan's gonna be
back with you tomorrow. We will see you on the
next edition of Breaking Points
Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election,
and we are so excited about what that means for
the future of this show.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is the only place where you can find honest
perspectives from the left and the right that simply does
not exist anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So if that is something that's important to you, please
go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and
you'll access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, and
all put together for you every morning in your inbox.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We need your help to build the future of independent
news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints
dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Independence Day brought us dueling visions of America, one presented
by the Mayor of New York and the other presented
by the President of the United States, both triggering lots
of other Americans.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Let's roll Momdani.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
To start in the Mayor of New York with a
July third address, surrounded by some recent Americans.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
That legacy of every generation of Americans insisting that the
right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness extends
to them too, is no relic of the past. It
carried millions of Black Americans north during the Great Migration,
it drew hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans to New
York City. After the Second World War, it invited countless
others from the West Indies and South Asia and West
(01:15):
Africa and across the world. And it is what brought
my family to the city when I was seven years old.
My family did not arrive by boat, although we saw
the statue of liberty from the window of the plane.
Even from the air, we could make out the promise
of America, the promise of the beautiful, patriotic work of
rendering America year after year a little more faithful to
(01:35):
its founding ideals. There is a term so often used
to describe our nation and those who have shaped it,
American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism that conventional wisdom tells us makes
our freedom a little more free. As how we dug
the Erie Canal and irrigated the West is why children
in far away lands grow up dreaming of one day
moving here. And yet the irony is that the story
(01:56):
of America has so often been written by those who
were told by others with power and influence and wealth
that they were anything but exceptional. For generation after generation,
we have been told that when the world has sent
its people to our shores, it has not sent its best.
It sent Puritans and Sikhs, and Quakers and Muslims and
Jewish people who were banished for praying the wrong way,
(02:18):
worshiping the wrong gods, angering the wrong people. It sent
peasants and serfs from slums and schattles who were treated
as less because they hardly owned clothes, let alone land.
It sent immigrants from whom power was something someone else had.
We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger,
(02:38):
more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is
that America is exceptional because here nothing is fixed into place.
The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on
the moon, but the work of fulfilling the values first
enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. That work endures, and
it belongs.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
To us all.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It belongs to to our newest Americans, those standing here
with me today, all of whom were recently naturalized. Nearly
a decade ago, I too felt what you feel, the
joy of no longer being just a New Yorker, but
an American too. You each hold a special power, the
power to determine what America means.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
President Trump, meanwhile, for some reason, waited until after eleven pm.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Basically, the weather was so bad here in DC. It
was raining, it's humid.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You didn't have a roof somewhere.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
People have been out on the mall forever on the
fourth of July, and so they delayed the fireworks. Although
there still was lightning during the fireworks. It was a
pretty It was kind of cool, but it was like
a very chaotic and dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was. And also this guy kills me. Fireworks are
basically for.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Children, right, I mean, adults think they're cool for like
five minutes, but it's really for the family and for
the kids.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You started them at midnight. It was wrong with you.
And one reason they started midnight is because Trump had
to give a speech.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Why forty minute speech?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Well, all of the musical acts canceled and after that
Trump said, all right, I'm just gonna I.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Was going to do it last.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They said, we have the greatest performer with the biggest paw,
So what do we need all these you know, these
has been.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Who didn't know they'd been booked, was basically the story.
And some of them, yeah, anyway, So.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Trump played the hits for us here. Let's roll some Trump.
Speaker 8 (04:22):
He vanquished fascism, Americans against the evil of communism in
the Cold War. And as they said last night at
the beautiful Mount Rushmore, what a beautiful place where Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln,
and Theodore Roosevelt loomed over my shoulder as I spoke,
America will never be a communist country.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Won't happen.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Communism is a loser and it always will be. The
communist system is the opposite of the American system. And
the communist system has never worked. Warriors did not fight
communism on battlefields across the world only to have that
menace rear its ugly head right back here in America.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We're not going to let it happen.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
We'd like to stop a threat like that immediately and
before it begins, just like a cancer, you got to
cut it out. You got to cut it out fast.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Now, hold on, we got a fact check. He says
we fought communism on the battlefield. We have met communism
on the battlefield in Vietnam, Korea.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, those are the more overt conflicts.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And you know, maybe we want to say Angola or
Central America. Where did we beat communism on the battlefield?
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Where did we beat it? The question that is not
where we met it, but we met it.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
He says we beat them, right or did he just
say we fought them? He didn't mention and YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Well, we fought them.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We definitely fought them.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
He listen. I obviously we.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Won the Cold War. You can say that, but that's
a battle feeling right right, right right? Or did we Yeah,
it's just China. Still, this was forgot about China.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Well, he just referenced the speech that he gave the
day before at Mount Rushmore. He may have also mentioned
the like communist threat when he was doing the Teddy
Roosevelt Library opening. But what was rolled out this weekend
after zaramm Danni, after the Dializa victory, the milak Kiro's victory.
Clearly they have poll tested communism instead of socialism. And
(06:33):
that's the significance of bringing both of these speeches together
in the same place, because clearly they just started testing this.
And I honestly like to the extent that I don't
think we talk quite enough and audience members will hate
me for saying this, but quite enough about some of
the history of communism in the twentieth century.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
This is the politics of this.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I'm not sure are going to resonate, actually, and I
would question their poll testing of just turning people who
are saying politically things about, well, our democratic socialism is
just medica for all, and you know like that. I
don't know that turning them into the communists are trying
to transmogrify democratic socialism into communism in the American imagination
actually is the best political maneuver, which was interesting.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I don't see how it would work.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Bannon doesn't seem to think so either, Right, So let's
let's roll Steve Bannon here.
Speaker 9 (07:23):
I want to talk about the labor participation rate. That
essentially means basically thirty nine percent or thirty nine almost
forty percent of people eligible to work or out of
the labor force. Why do you think the marxisty hottest
are getting traction and men Domi's not ten feet high.
(07:44):
Don't believe that at all. In fact, I think he's
got He potentially has feet of clay if you move
and moves smartly. But here's what you can't do, Republicans
in the pundit class. He's got a ton of pundits.
You can't take a copy of Milton Friedman and throw
it at him or Atlas Shrugged. You're going to go
(08:06):
back to the Paul Ryan and to all the playbook
at Ted Cruz's entire crowd. This is how you got
in this jam. You're not going to take Atlas Shrug
and throw it at him. You're not going to take
Milton Friedman's but freedom and capitalism throw it at him.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's not going to work.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
Why is it not going to work? Because the elites
in this country have sold the country out all this
garbage and talk about free trade and free trade and
free trade, and you had a mercantilist system run by
real hardcore communists in China, of which the American business
community and most of the Republican donors underwrote to take
(08:46):
your jobs. This is why this entire situation is like
a Greek tragedy, and that the great strength of our
hero turns out to be his core weakness.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And the main the thing I've seen thrown at Mam
Donnie is this Paul Ryan line makers makers versus takers,
which is which was lame when Paul Ryan was doing it,
and they're like, Mam Donnie is a taker, and it
puts it puts the speaker in the position of saying
that they're the maker, that they're they're the ones that
(09:22):
are you know, we're the boss where we built the factory,
we built this. You're just taking from us, You're just leeches.
It's unpatriotic in the sense that it's it's denigrating, you know,
huge swaths of the of the country. And it doesn't
really delineate where the takers begin, like our union workers
(09:47):
takers because they're organizing together for bigger wages that you
think if they weren't organizing for that would just be
money that the bosses, the owners of the factory would
be able to take home. They certainly think at all
public service workers or takers. And so yeah, for Bannon,
he's like, no, this is you need a different playbook,
(10:09):
Like you try that and here we are.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So what do you think is like what would you
throw at them?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
What you were you have deming the way Paul Ryan's
God forbid.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
The way that they don't see it is they think
they can say this is going to be such a disaster.
But people think the status quo is a disaster. And
so if you are just saying what's going to happen
is going to be a disaster, it doesn't work anymore
because people feel like we are in a disaster, and
a lot of people do.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
I'm not saying everybody does.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There's some people who have very comfortable lives and probably
still will be moved by the Paul Ryan language, but
it's not everyone, and it's not most people anymore. If
you're looking at polling about how socialism fares with young
people or public opinion of socialism with younger Americans particularly,
it's really not that much of a political win to
just be like, oh, Ryan Grimm's is socialist. They're like, oh, interesting,
(11:01):
tell me what you want to do to make my
life easier. And so you have to proactively explain what
you're going to do that's not the status quo. You
can't just be like that guy's a commie, that guy's
a socialist. You actually have to have a positive vision
for what would transform the status quo, which is what
the socialists are doing now.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I thought the optics.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
I actually thought the Mamdani speech itself was really, really
really interesting. Like I pulled up the transcript here and
I'm looking at it, and if I just read this,
I think it would be a fun experiment to just
go out in the street and read this to some
people and be like, who do you think gave this speech?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I mean, listen this, he says.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Here at City Hall, as I sit behind George Washington's
desk alongside New Americans who came to this country, I
cannot see all of America, but like so many who
came before, I can.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
See New York City. Then he goes on to tell
this story of the founding of the country.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
In July seventeen seventy six, our city simmered under the
yoke of oppression.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
The British didn't take a while war broke out.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
He's like literally talking about George Washington leaving Brooklyn. It
sounds like Glenn Beck in the tea party ear like
talking about colonial oppression.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And I thought the optics of the speech.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He's usually so much better optically, it was kind of
like a dull aesthetic and nobody the New Americans that
were behind him weren't smiling. I actually thought some of
the criticisms of the aesthetics of it were on, and
it's a rare aestheticness from Zoron. But the speech itself
was potent, Like there was something in that that tells.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
You this is a totally new generator.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
The guy who was flipping off Columbus when he was
wearing a glove during COVID famously in his like twenty
twenty posts, is here saying I'm sitting behind George Washington's
desk and telling the history of us fighting off the
yoke of British oppression, and is like being reverential about
our founding ideals. As he put it, that is a
totally different generation of democratic socialism.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
And I think a lot of people who were triggered
by the speech didn't actually listen to it agree completely
because they're like, yeah, he's just trashing America.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It's like, actually, he's not. You picked up a good part.
We can roll. Let's roll. This is how he ended
the speech. And you tell me if this sounds like
somebody who's trashing the country.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Ours is a nation working each day towards the perfection
in which it was conceived, a nation striving each day
to better itself. Therein lies the work of America. The striving,
the bettering, the reaching towards perfection. What a privilege each
of us has to live in a nation that every
one of its inhabitants can shape. What a responsibility each
(13:28):
of us possesses to prove ourselves worthy of all those
who came before. What power each of us holds to
bring America ever closer to the greatness so many have
seen when they looked upon these shores, the greatness that,
for two hundred and fifty years has been America.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Thank you. I mean, how's that anti Americans? It's very
Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Yeah, the clips from the right were saying, here's Zaramamdanni
taking the opportunity to criticize the United States on the
four of July, and that's how the R and C
was framing it and Republican groups were framing it. But interestingly,
on the left Zoron himself, the clips that were coming
out were positive about America, which is kind of fascinating
(14:13):
because there's so I pulled up poll numbers. The Cato
Institute just did an interesting poll, and as Democratic socialists
are trying to go national, when you look at polling,
overwhelming majorities CATO rights are grateful for the country eighty
six percent, and proud to be Americans seventy nine percent.
Most also believe America is a land of opportunities sixty
(14:34):
one percent, and even more believe the American Dream seventy
four percent is available to them personally.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Now you get different.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Poll results if you test like whether people think the
American Dream is dead or alive. But that's when you
ask people if it's available to them personally. Seventy six
percent say they're positive about the nation's founding. Zora Mamdani
was positive about the nation's founding, talking about the ideals,
not like wallowing in George Washington as a slave owner,
which is a real part of the history shouldn't be ignored.
(15:00):
But when you're celebrating the fourth of July, it's kind
of appropriate to focus on the ideals. And that's exactly
what he did in a country where the polling people do.
If you want to take democratic socialism out of Brooklyn
and the Commy Corridor into the rest of the country,
this is the messaging that is much much sharper, more
clever to strike.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And what he did which I loved, which was that
he said the thing that is standing between us and
the perfection of the American ideals is the billionaire class
that wants to divide us, wants to keep us fighting
so that we can't reach our common destiny together. So
(15:38):
he connects the founding of the country with an idealistic
vision and identifies the obstacle to achieving that vision accurately
as this billionaire Epstein class. And so then the task
at hand for the American people is clear, get them
out of their way and we can reach our destiny.
(16:01):
Like let's start tacting a little bit of their wealth
and start building the thing that we all want together.
Let's also and to ban his point people they're saying,
go ahead, let Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz argue against that.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I'll say the Trump speech he gave like everyone was
just ready for fireworks at that point, it was so late,
it was about to bust out into rain. He gave
like a forty minute speech, some of it where he
brought out these veterans I think one of them was
one hundred and seven years old. Just incredible for them
to then have the camera out. We had the camera
(16:37):
on them as they were watching the fireworks. That was
super fascinating and moving to watch but it was chaotic
on the National Mall.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
See four. Let's play a little bit of this.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
You can see what it looked like on the mall
as people were for waiting for fireworks. Oh my gosh,
this was like earlier in the evening, so they had
evacuated the mall. At one point in the afternoon or
early evening, they canceled the whole parade. Like imagine the
money and the months like year plus that went into
(17:06):
organizing the parade. Canceled it because it was too hot,
and then people tried to get back in, and you
can see that in the later in the evening as
people are trying to get back into the mall for
the fireworks.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Trump actually opened his.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Speech by talking about how there had been some like
three hundred four hundred thousand people evacuated and now there
were almost I think he said, like two hundred thousand
people that were there.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He started literally by.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Talking about the numbers to address it in case anybody
was thinking, wow, that crowd looks small. He wanted to
get it out of the way right away before even
getting into the speech. We had many more people, but
you know, the rain and all of that, but they
didn't have a contingency plan for any of this. They
haven't had contingency plans for the Great American State Fair,
where Julian actually from jobsite was reporting. I think on Saturday,
(17:48):
after Friday's heat, there were seven people on critical life
support in the hospital fair.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
And that's East coast wide.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I mean the actually like nationwide, the heat has been
just insane over the last couple of weeks, but the
state Fair was proceeding. They evacuated that the Great American
State Fair, in the National Mall was evacuated on Friday
for heat reasons, and they didn't have a contingency plan,
Like there weren't what I heard from people who were
out there, there weren't like misters that were keeping people cool.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
No, and they were banning water. You couldn't bring water in.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
You had to buy it inside.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right, what kind of country is this? It's a public
state fair, public event, a security thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You're right, right for this?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
They should have break death, they should have opened it
up like it actually all just should have been a
roving coming in and out. Obviously security challenges, but it's
the National Mall.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It's the National Mall, and they had, They had no
real way to evacuate the people from the mall once
the lightning started.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
What they should have done is told.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Them that Mike Pence was done the Capitol, he was
about to count the Electoral College. I don't think I
would have cleared them out immediately.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I don't think there were enough FBI people in the crowd.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Get them over there.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
They were all prepping for their Patriot Front march the
next day.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
There was a hilariously pathetic Patriot Front march on the
fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I wanted to join. They wanted to join the parade.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
The parade.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
They were going to try to disrupt the parade.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Right Patriot Front, which almost certainly is listen.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
I don't actually think January sixth was offence directually.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
That was a little joke.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Having reported on it live on the ground as it
was happening, it was like a lot of normal people
who just got whipped into a frenzy. Some of the
people who were whipping were probably FEDS, but not everybody was.
And in this case the Patriot Front guys, I mean
it looked like it looked like a FED festival, a festival.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It was crazy. They're all out there.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
With their net gators preparing with like their flags, chanting
weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I had to go on the metro instead because it
was too hot. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Wild scenes on the fourth of July, America's two hundred
and fiftieth birthday here in Washington, DC did not go
exactly as the Trump administration had planned.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Ryan, did you watch the fireworks?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I did.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
I did.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
We stayed up. I was on a rooftop.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But then about twenty minutes in like okay, like fifteen
twenty minutes, and I'm like, okay, I get it. Like
they did this kind of spectacular thing where for this
entire row along like I think it was along the Potomac,
they'd have like a dozen fireworks go up simultaneously and
create this row.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
They're like, wow, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Like cost millions of dollars, no doubt, but that's looks
really cool.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And then they did it again and again and again.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It was long and again. I asked my friend. I
texted my friend. I was like, how is the finale?
Because we left before it. He's like, it was just
a giant cloud of smoke.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
That's exactly what it was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, in Trump's defense, who knew that fireworks create a
lot of smoke.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's hard to predict that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's very hard to predict that wouldn't have seen that coming.
Speaking of though, the stupidest person on the planet. I
didn't want to leave this second without talking about form
Jill Biden spokesperson Michael L.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Rossa, who I think had the He's.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Been on the show by the way, as he Yeah,
Crystal and I interviewed him.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Amazing he had.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He had most amazing comment about Mom Donnie's speech two
months shy of the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven.
This is what New York City's mayor has to say
about the fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Mom Donnie is unwell.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Unwell, And you're like, wait a minute, hold on, first
of all, it's two months and a week shy of
nine to eleven, nine to eleven, Like what is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I want to know what is the window around September
eleventh where a Muslim has to be like conscious of
what they're saying about New York City? Is it three months?
So so every from June through I guess like September, October, November,
December maybe into January. So June into January basically, but
(21:54):
then if you get into February, like you're getting close
to the sixth month by annual anniversary of nine to eleven,
so you got to be careful around that time too.
It's like, how did you bring nine to eleven into this?
I don't you know, absolutely, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Speaking of absolute morons, let's talk about the Michigan Senate race.
There we go, surprising news out of the Michigan Democratic
Senate primary yesterday, as again it's a Sunday, and Mallory
mcmorro suspended her campaign for the Michigan Senate Democratic nomination.
Let's take a listen to her announcement video today.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
I'm announcing that I am suspending my campaign for United
States Senate, and I'm doing it with a deep, deep
sense of gratitude for our thousands of volunteers, for everyone
who donated what you could building a campaign with zero
corporate pack dollars.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Okay, that was like the consultant focus group tested candidate
in this race, who I think a lot of consultant
types on the left ryn they thought with Mallard mcmorro,
who initially went viral for pushing back on quote unquote
book bands, which actually it was a lot of Muslims
in Michigan that we're upset about. It was a lot
(23:13):
of Christians, a lot of Muslims as well. But she
went viral during the pandemic era because people were saying,
here we have this normal Michigan mom making a kind
of inspirational left argument against this and look, she seems
like a normal soccer mom, and we might be able
to take her all the way to the Senate. She's
(23:34):
actually lived in California right before moving to Michigan. I
think maybe her husban's for Michigan or something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
But anyway, vote for Gawker, right, did she think so?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
After all of that, Malar mcmorro suspended her Senate campaign.
Let's take a look at this throwback conversation between Emma
Viigland and Malar mcmorroe on Medicare for all.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
A public option is an improvement, of course on the
private marketplace and the affordable care, but that would still
involve premiums and deductibles. Why not go all the way
to medicare for all?
Speaker 12 (24:05):
Yeah, I hear you on the vision, I one hundred
percent do.
Speaker 13 (24:10):
And what I know, after almost a decade, as experience
in a legislator is that you need to push as
far as you possibly can while building the coalition of
votes to actually get it across the line. And the
support for a true single payer system isn't there yet.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
I think that when we're talking about how to keep
a coalition together, the seventy seven percent of Democrats that
think Israel's committing genocide, the ninety percent of Democrats that
do that have a negative view of Israel or don't
want to send them more money, that would, I would imagine,
be the position that would be as unifying as possible,
(24:51):
because it appears like this is kind of a consensus
opinion now within the Democratic base.
Speaker 12 (24:57):
I mean, I hear that it's reflective in polls, and
reading polls and asserting how campaign should be run based
off of polls is not a way that you win
in a state like ours.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Well, I hear that, I hear the vision.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
She's so so acting, and you just get from her
that she's artificial. I'm sorry, I'm really going in on
Mellie mcmaurrow. I can't stand her, But it's more that
I can't stand.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The cat drives you crazy because it's.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
The consultant class.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
I was going to say, like, what drives me crazier
than mcmorro is that the consultant class looks at that
and says, this is what we'll connect with normal people
in Michigan. This is how we make our democratic agenda
look palatable to people in Michigan. She's inauthentically Michigan. It's
just I'm not from Michigan, from Wisconsin, so I don't give.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Like I'm not I can't speak for Michigan.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
But it's just like, come on, like it just drives
me crazy because it's like that we're ten plus years
in the Trump phenomenon and that's what they're coming up
with and thinking that.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
It's going to work.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You know, ironically, it may have if not for el
said running to running to her left, because Haley Stevens
running in the establishment lane was such a and is
such a flawed candidate that she would have I think
been a lot more appealing compared to Compared to Stevens.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
At least she sounds like she's from Michigan, and Abdul
I think comes across as much more of like a
Michigander too, Like he just seems to be much more
fluent in Michigan than.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And mcmorroe had the endorsement of Elizabeth Warren and kind
of ran in that Elizabeth Warren lane, and it'll be
very interesting to see what Warren does. She's much closer
obviously to el Sid's politics, so she goes out with
AOC and Bernie and campaigns that could be that could
be decisive. There's this there's been a lot of pressure
on McMorrow to drop out and endorse Stevens, to try
(26:46):
to stop Elside from everything.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We gather. McMorrow is no fan of Hailey Stevens, so
if she.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Does that, it will be as a favor to the
party establishment with the party bosses, not because she herself
kind is a huge fan of Haley Stevens. There was
a Politico report that Elside immediately called McMorrow thanked her
for running because now everybody's going to be trying to
court her and her supporters, but that Stevens didn't well
(27:15):
until the Politico reached out.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
As soon as Politico reached out, that's what happened. Let's
skip ahead to D five.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
This is from prem Thacker, who posted from Zteo, who
posted Haley Stevens makes no outreach to Malory McMorris supporters,
while Abdul el said explicitly welcomes them to his movement.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Put out a press release right away.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
The El said campaign and said, throughout this campaign, Center
MCMA showed what it looks like to fight back against
the politics that rigs the system against too many of us.
While we have policy disagreements, I never questioned whether Senator
mcmorro would fight for a better America for my daughters
and hers goes on to say, welcome her supporters to
our movement and stand up again to stand up against
money in politics. Finally, a couple other things we wanted
(27:54):
to mention here, the polling and the ad spending. This
is according to Ad Impact Politics AD reservations as of
July first three hundred and I'm sorry, thirty four point
four million reserve for Haley Stevens, eight point nine million
reserve for Malar McMorrow, two point eight million reserved for
Abdul l Sayed. And then finally, the Real Clear Politics
average as of yesterday we can pop up on the screen.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
This is for the al Saied campaign.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
I mean they were at thirty five point zero in
a three way race between Stevens, who was at twenty
nine point seven, and mcmarrow who was only at seven
point seven. So where that seven point seven goes that
is obviously determinative because if it all goes to one
or the other, if it goes to Stevens, you're basically
(28:41):
in a tie. And if it goes to el sayed,
the race is totally different. And he's a really really
comfortable lead. He's up five point three points in the
RCP average right now, and recent polling is all from June,
so it's not like it's sparse like that's a pretty
good indication of where the voters are.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And by the way, what's let's not leave without identifying
the wild thing that happened in this race that you're
probably not going to hear about from like CNN or
the New York Times as they cover this development. But
if you watched it in real time, you saw it happen.
And that was that. In March, the mcmorroll campaign decided,
(29:20):
and the Stevens campaign as well, but mcmorroll really taking
the lead on it, decided to make son Piker Yes
a major part of the campaign, as Abdul said had
said he was going to campaign with with Piker, the
twitch twitch leftist twitch streamer, and mcmorroll comes out and
slams him and says compared a son Piker to Nick
(29:41):
Fuentes that that was what mcmorroe did.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
And in a state, by the way, where you're running
in a primary, a Democratic primary, which means you have
to have grassroots and young voters. It's a state with
a bunch of young Muslims that are involved in the
grassroots at the Democratic primary level.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And at the time that she did this, the race
had been pretty stable for months, and that was Stevens
with a slight lead over McMorrow, and then Elsayad a
couple of points behind. They were all in the twenties,
but with Stevens in the lead. And as the weeks
(30:22):
go by and the major focus of the race becomes
this question of Hassan Piker, which then evolves into the
question of where the different candidates stand on the question
of arming Israel and whether or not they're willing to
call out it's genocide, it begins to become apparent to
voters what's going on here, and that Elsaiad is the
(30:45):
progressive left laying candidate. Like it really cemented that idea
in people's minds, and McMorrow by comparing some Hassan Piker
t Fuentes, came off as cynical and dishonest because nobody,
like nobody who knows anything about the two of them
(31:06):
thinks that there's any similarity between them other than they're
both critical of Israel. Nick this is an outspoken white
supremacist or white nationalist or whatever he says.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
He is supremacist, whatever. He's not a Bier.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He's a completely different political animal on the far right.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
And so.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It destroyed her campaign like that alone. Third Way went
to the New York Times and they made this like
third Way is this corporate centrist group saying that that
the tent needs to be drawn such that Hassan Piker
is out of the tent. And they launched this campaign
with the New York Times and CNN and all these others.
Jake Tapper doing programming a program about it, Fox News
(31:50):
covering it every single day, and the lines were drawn
and it's mcmorro that was pushed out of it because
people were pushed on the question, and when they weren't
pushed on the question, well, and.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Hailey Stephens is already in the race, like, you're not
going to out Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens, that's impossible.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And mcmorroe had the strategy going in that she was
going to try to keep and it's kind of it's
messed up how you have to strategize around a pack.
But her goal was not to win APAX support because
she knew that wouldn't be possible because Stevens had beaten
Andy Levin with millions of dollars in APAC support. She
(32:30):
was clearly APAX candidate in a previous race, so it
was very unlikely that mcmorroe was going to become APAX candidate.
But what she wanted to do is persuade APAC to
stay out of.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
The of the race.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Just let us fight this out and then we'll see
you in the general see you in the general election.
To that end, and this is where dropsite played a
role in this election. To that end, one of her
top supporters on a donor call said that mcmorroe had
submitted an excellent APACK paper because policy position paper, I
(33:07):
suspect he misspoke and he meant DMFI, which is Democratic
Majority for Israel, which is kind of an APAC offshoot.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Either way.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So mcmorroll produced this secret Israel policy paper in an
attempt to keep APACKED out That kept coming up throughout
the race with people saying this also appears cynical, like
what do you not what's in that paper? Release the paper?
What are you not telling us about your actual position.
(33:36):
Daniel Biss, who won his race against kat In and
against an APAC candidate in Chicago, he also got hit
because he met with APAC trying to keep them out.
Wasn't trying to win their support, and wasn't bending to
everything they wanted, but he met with them just to
try to because he met, he was meeting with everybody.
He said after the race, if he had to do ever,
(33:58):
to do over again, and his advice to other candidates
do not ever meet with them because it's just politically
too toxic even to take the meeting. And mcmorro I
think found that out if she had not done that
secret policy paper and if her donor hadn't, because what
good is it if you can't tell people about it?
So she the donor kind of told other donors about
(34:20):
it on this off the record call, but then they
got that got leaked. Is that really? So that really
screwed her. So it's an amazing own goal on the
part of Third Way. Who thought they were going to
make Hassan Piker the center of this campaign. They succeeded,
(34:41):
and they blew themselves.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
Up totally embarrassing, and it's just missing misreading where the
electorate is. And I just like a ridiculous way. It's
not that hard anymore, honestly, Like it's I think of
McMorrow as the type of candidate that ten years ago
actually might have been a slam dunk, or twenty years
ago it might have been a slam dunk. But even
he Stevens in this like new media environment, she's out
(35:03):
there just like riffing and saying the craziest shit ever
in a way that does feel a lot less stage
managed than McMorrow And Abdullah Sayad feels a lot less
stage managed too, Like he goes on Fox News and
answers tough questions.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
He like he just comes across as a normal guy.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
He knows how to talk on podcasts and just have
a like authentic, genuine conversation where you don't think he's
reciting talking points.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Same thing with.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Haley Stevens as like crazy as Hailey Stevens is she's out,
they're like riffing about how she dreams about Israel, like
she's just talking haunt and mcmorrow's the type of candidate
who would never she's like so risk averse.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
She can't do either of those things. So it's just
was an impossible lane with all three of them in
the race.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
And it's unfortunate because I think like there is something
likable and like there's some inherent talent behind McMorrow if
she would have been unleashed, like you know, if she
would have just been able to be herself. But she
was trying to calibrate this goldilocks thing of not the
(36:11):
establishment candidate, but I'm also not the right the super
far left it and it didn't allow her to It
made her just constantly be measuring everything that she was
saying exactly, and that that turned out to be too
difficult once she kind of deliberately polarized the race around Israel,
(36:31):
which was a huge mistake.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Huge mistake.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Well, we'll obviously continue to cover that race the primaries.
I believe August fourth ground, right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, that's right, And now, like Olside's supporters are pretty
confident at this point, but you know, there's millions and
millions and millions of dollars coming in for Stevens. This
race is not over like she could if the polls
showed that about half, maybe of Steve of mcmorroe's remaining
support could go to Stevens. So if outside can pick
up that other half and he's a really good position.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
All right, Well, let's talk about the huge This is
the huge conflict roiling FIFA at the moment and has
the United.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
States very excited.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Valerian Ballagan will play for the United States tonight against Belgium.
After an intervention by President Donald Trump, the undisputed winner
of the FIFA Peace Prize. She made a call to
the head of FIFA and said, hey, look, we just
want you go ahead and look into this red card situation.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
He made some peace, he made the peace.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He's again, he's a peace maker.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
So Donald Trump, thanking FIFA for help for getting flowback
onto the field.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
We can put up E two here.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Thank you to FIFA for doing what was right and
reversing a great injustice, President Donald J.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Trump. So basically what happened is the US is striker.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Landed his foot accidentally landed on somebody else's ankle and
they gave him a red card for it, which, you know,
things happen, and when you get a red card, you
are then automatically suspended for the next game as well.
FIFA has the authority under an article something something something
to suspend the suspension. And according to all of the
different reporting that we.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Have, it was a heavily disputed call.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Disputed call, and you know heavily it can like you're
going for the ball.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
It can happen. Yeah, things can happen. Yeah, you know,
your red card.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Leg finds another man's leg.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
The legs are moving fast. Apparently.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
One thing that the Trump administration protested was the use
of super slow motion replay on the doling out of
these red cards, because it is true that it always
looks worse, almost always looks worse in slow motion. It's like, oh,
look he's aiming right for the ankle, and ooh, that
looks like it really hurt. And unlike almost every other
(38:55):
tackle in soccer where the guy's faking being heard, yeah,
that one looked like it actually did heart.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah. But also you know, it's let the boys play.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So this is the Trump for once using his powers
of corruption for the country.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Well, you were pointing.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Out earlier in the show that actually this is Americans
arriving on the soccer scene. We have learned how to
play soccer correctly, just that.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You bribe the FEVA.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Well, let's put.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Let's put the first element up on the screen. This
is confirmation that this Ben Jacobs, not the political reporter
Ben Jacobs.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, different. Ben Jacobs confirmed.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
The White House made a direct call to FIFA to
ask Gianni and Fantino to review Valigan's red card. FIFA
approach for comment referred to the findings of its independent committee.
FIFA sources insist white House influence could not affect the
decision due to the powers contained in Article twenty seven
and the independent nature of the disciplinary panel.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
But obviously the White House did take a call.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
Trump has very carefully not taken credit, you notice, than
the true social He.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Didn't say anything.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
He just thanked them for making the right decision. Now
we can also put this Klay Travis post up. This
is the third element. According to Clay Travis, he's conservative
sports journalist. He says President Trump, Commerce Secretary Lutnik and
White House Task Force head Andrew Giuliani. He is the
son of Rudy Giuliani put together a team of elite
(40:23):
lawyers from outside the government to challenge the Balligan red cards. Specifically,
they challenged the use of slow motion, as Ryan mentioned,
incidant replay to give the red card, which they argued
violated FIFA rules. The President also conveyed to Gianni Infantino
that the appeal had been filed and he believed the
red card penalty was excessive. FIFA's Independent Committee reviewed the
decision and agreed the penalty was incorrectly.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Given, rescinding it under their Rule twenty seven authority.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Now, Brent, I think you can actually make an argument
that all makes sense right, that it was a bad
call and that the suspension.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Of course, we can make that case.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Now.
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Don't tell me that any other country would refuse to
use this power in the World Cup. If any other
country had this level of sway, they had the FIFA
Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office in their version
of the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
You're telling me they don't make this call. I don't
buy it.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Now we should mention that Belgium is appealing. So the
CNBC headline from yesterday Belgium set to appeal as PIFA
reverses Baligan's World Cup suspension after Trump reportedly intervenes. So
Belgians are furious. No surprise there at BBC. When I
checked their website this morning, they were leading with the
headline that was integrity of game at stake over FIFA
(41:39):
Balligan decision UEFA. So they're reporting that Baligan, who was
sent off against the Bosnia Herzegovinia, should have had a
suspension for the last sixteen tie against Belgium, but FIFA offered,
not opted not to enforce that. FA said that this
is the European Soccer League said that our authority said
that intervening to effective cancel suspension at a tournament quote
(42:02):
crossed a red line and the idea.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
That FIFA has any integrity to be challenged amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Get out of here, stop it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You don't have any So Emily has been doing more
social media and so she did a direct to camera
reaction to this ruling when it first came out.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Let's put up four.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Corruption is not bad.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
Corruption is only bad if I'm not involved, Yes, but
if I'm part of that corruption.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
I defend it.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
We are all that.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Guy, How did you get that video of me?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
We are all emily, I mean, and I think this
is how where Europeans going to learn something about Americans. Like,
we like to win, and we don't. Many of us
do not like our president. We also don't like the
stupid rules that this stupid game has, and we are
I think repulsed by Belgium's anger at this. Like it's okay, fine,
(43:04):
Trump used his power illegally to get the American's best
player back in.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
But that's not your business.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Your job is to go out on the field and
beat our best team that we can put out on
the field. You're supposed to want to beat our best players.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
It's us.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
How could you be so intimidated by us.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
We're in the United States playing soccer.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
You're fine, and.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
You can beat our best players.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Hey, yes, yes, but you're right win with the best
players and not on this what was obviously a very
questionable red card call to begin with.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
So but all these stupid red card calls are pretty questionable.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
The whole the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (43:43):
Brian's getting dangerously close to say, play football like a man.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
The whole sport is just a little bit ridiculous. By
how much it hinges on these on all of this
stuff and then the penalty.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Kicks and off side like it's just dumb. But whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
This is the US playing the game of soccer how
it's always been played. And now we're now we're actually
getting involved in the corruption, and so we are we're
going to we're going to defend this corruption. And so
the game will be tonight at what nine o'clock, eight
(44:19):
eight o'clock against against Belgium. And also we had to
beat two teams at once Bosnia.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
To get there.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
You're right, and you're going to say that it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
That's twenty two players against eleven.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I'm sorry, but every other country, both Bosnia and Herskovinia, would.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Be using this power if they had it at their disposal.
Everyone would be using this power.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Trump, by the way, this morning on True Social put
out a very random post where he said Harry Kane
of England is a great player.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
That's all he said.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
Amazing actually early this morning, so like to eleven oh
eight pm last night.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Actually also real quickly do people know and people who
aren't following this might not know Balligan's story. You know
how it intersects people who don't know it. His Nigerian
family was like visiting the United States and they were
on their way to London, but she was so pregnant
(45:21):
that the airline wouldn't let her get on the plane,
and so she had flow here in the United States,
and then once they were able to fly again, they
went back. And he grew up in the UK and
as a boys under seventeen always played with the UK.
(45:42):
But he has said that Americans, as they were getting
more and more into soccer, would constantly be kind of
in his mentions and comments, saying well, why don't you
play for us? Why don't you play for us rather
than the English team? And because he had their birthright citizenship,
he was able to do that. And also he's able
to start because we're not as good as England.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
So it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
He loves loves being on the field, and now we
have a president who's willing to fight for him and
get him back on the field. Meanwhile, Wild when it
went down in Mexico and put up e five here,
so this is these are Mexican fans outside of the
English players hotel, having having an all night party, setting
(46:25):
off setting off fireworks, playing music rather crass ley. I
guess we could all say trying to keep the English
team awake didn't work. Oh, I mean it might have worked.
Maybe they were pretty tired, but they beat Mexico last
night and then also Norway knocked off Brazil yesterday. I
(46:47):
don't know if you watched this game, watch it, but
the most Viking looking guy ever Norwegian scored two goals,
just this.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Absolute Norwegian specimen.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
You're like, that's comical, like that, that's what the North
Eachan guy looks like.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
I was reading.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
He's like a foot taller than the Brazilians and his
first header is just so nasty. Yeah, and his second
goal where he just blasts it into the corner like
it's brutal.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
It's a brutal way to lose.
Speaker 12 (47:14):
Now.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
I was reading an essay recently that said soccer actually
is the highest upset rate of Americans, like if you
compare it with baseball and American football, which has the
highest upset.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Rate, which I think is the knock on it from
Americans perspective, because it's like there's so much chance involved
and you can be dominating, dominating, dominating, and then then
you just get one run going the other end and both.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
So it's a tough one for Americans.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
But but the argument is that makes it fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
That's the argument.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Yeah. Also, we need more commercial breaks like it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I think Americans feel uncomfortable if like there's live action
for ten minutes and we haven't heard from like Buffalo
Wild Wings telling us.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
About the new special for the new specials.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And so for the first time ever, FIFA added these
fake water breaks so that we can ever a so
that Buffalo Wild Wings can We're like, okay, now we
now we now we feel centered and grounded.
Speaker 6 (48:13):
Should I buy the bud light?
Speaker 7 (48:15):
And then you know, yeah, and then someone tells us yes,
and producer Mattress adds finally before we go that it
is against FIFA's own rules to use slow motion on
red cards.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
Just the final point tie this all together.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well did they maybe they did? Well, yeah, that's true, producer.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
See, everyone everyone in America, left to right, left, center
and right is going to defend the corruption.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
We don't call him good soccer guy. We call him
good politic guy. Check out that channel, all right, that's going.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
To do it for us.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
On today's edition of Breaking Points. I think I think
Sager and Jetty is going to be back and in
studio tomorrow with you for a bro show.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Us?
Speaker 6 (48:55):
A bro show all week? Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
If soccer keeps showing up?
Speaker 7 (49:00):
Oh well, Tuesday, Thursday Bro show, that's right, that's right, Okay, well,
all right, fingers cross for a bro show tomorrow. Fingers Cross.
Hope everybody had a wonderful July fourth. If you haven't
sign up for the newsletter, it's Breakingpoints dot com. Just
as a reminder, it's totally free. If you want a
media version, you can get a premium subscription that also
sends the entire show into your inbox. Early uncut version
(49:21):
that's Breakingpoints dot com. If you've been having any problems,
make sure just check your spam folder first. But then
if you still need help, help at kit dot com.
Kit dot com is the email address. Ryan's gonna be
back with you tomorrow. We will see you on the
next edition of Breaking Points
Popular Podcasts
Betrayal Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com