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All Right, So let's get to what we're going to
cover in the show. We're going to start with some
new American strikes on Iran. Largely these strikes are concentrated
in the straight of Horn moves. However, Iran late last
night struck back against multiple US bases, huge censorship coming
(01:32):
out of the region. We don't have perfect video, but
we're going to show you a little bit of what
we have. Meanwhile, the price of oil continuing to spike,
the strategic Petroleum Reserve at very very critical levels.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Platner, we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Platina released some eleven minute long video late last night.
The bottom line for that, he's dropping out of the
race no conditions, and the main Democratic Party has a
new process. It's totally corrupt. I'll let Ryan break all
of that one down. Mitch McConnell, you might have seen this,
Scott Jennings, friend of the show. I guess you could
(02:03):
call it was on CNN, where previously he had tweeted
that he just spent twenty minutes on the phone with
McConnell and McConnell was so sharp and they discuss world politics,
and the CNN anchor is like, Okay, call him right now.
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He's like, oh, I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And that's after.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Multiple other people claim to have spoken with McConnell for
some twenty minutes, nobody else has. And his wife, who
was in China, just release his statement justifying why she
left his bedside two days after he had been hospitalized
from a cardiac arrest for mains in the hospital and
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(02:40):
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as Ryan said, let's go ahead and start with Iran.
We're going to put this video up here on the
screen and I'll just show you a little bit of
what US Central Command has released as of last night.
So what you guys can see in front of you
was accompanied by this Sentcom statement. US Central Command has
completed an additional round of strikes against Iran to further
(05:47):
degrade Iran's ability to attack commercial shipping and innocent civilian
mariners in the Strait of Mourmus.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
US forces struck approximately ninety Iranian military targets, including air
defense systems, coastal surveillance systems, missile and drone storage sites,
naval capabilities, and military logistics. So all of this is
now dozens of targets struck last night, dozens of targets
struck the night before. Now let's take a look here
(06:15):
at the Iranian retaliatory strikes. So here's what we seem
to have seemed to have been targeted. According to the Iranians,
the footage in front of you was all released by them.
So according to the Iranian military, they released a they
targeted a Patriot missile system in Kuwait, an early warning
(06:35):
satellite and tennis site in Qatar, a fuel storage facility
site for the US military in Bahrain. And the IRGC
said that they also struck key infrastructure facilities at Airfon
Base in Kuwait, Ali Salan Base in Kuwait, US Navy's
fifth flight in base in Bahrain, and the Sheik Esa
Base in Bahrain. It's a couple of notworthy things here,
(06:56):
Ryan Number one, No. UAE here on the lad Ua
took a huge pounding. Now, remember there's some back deals
going on between you and the UA. Some money might
have exchanged hands, be like, hey, in the future, don't
hit us.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Here's a few billion you.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Know, it's like and the only thing hit and cutter
is this early warning satellite antenna site, which is squarely
like a US military exactly like piece of material, which
is much different than like hitting Doha or something.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, part of the reason why there was some there
was a lot of bated breath as of last night
when I went to bed, was because we knew not
only would you struck military sites in Iran, but a
couple key railways actually were hit by the United States military.
So civilian infrastructure obviously the military can use it too,
but Iran previously has always relied on the horizontal escalation,
hitting civilian infrastructure in return for hitting civilian infrastructure. So
(07:47):
people still are really in this. You know, Look, we're
just in the craziest limbo of all time. We're in
a cease fire where the fire has not ceased, and
it's like we are in a memorandum of understanding where
there's no understand Like we are in a peace process
where there's no peace.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We have no peace, no war.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Really, it's like the ground where the Americans side seems
to have been very comfortable. But the part of the
problem and why it just to me is totally inevitable
the things will shift, is that is always going to
be on our side. As the Vice President said, less
fire means we restock, we need to fill up the
strategic patrol and reserve, we get more oil flowing, the
(08:26):
price is down. I mean, you know, let's be honest,
most Americans, to the extent that they're paying a lot
of attentions when gases at four fifty starts to get
around three fifty, They're like, all right, you know it's high,
but it's not that high, right, and so people kind
of move on with it. I got summer vacation plans,
those types of things. But this is exactly the type
of thing which could jolt it right back into reality.
And Trump is now really I mean, he's right back
(08:48):
to where he was before.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And yeah, he might be making the exact same mistake
as he made last time when he started this war,
which is we're going to hit him for three days
and then they're going to come back to the table
with whoever we didn't kill, and we're negotiate a better.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Deal with them instead.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
They didn't listen when Iran said, no, we're going to
significantly retaliate and create a regional war. This time around,
they're saying they're going to significantly retaliate, and they're not
and they're not going.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
To tolerate this like tit for tat stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So we'll see if they once again live up to
their threats. But so far they have, you know, reached
significant damage across the region.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yes, so here is Trump saying, you know, Iran is
now the number one target. We've got to finish the job.
We've got to force open the straight up our moves.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Let's take a.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Listen, everything's gone. The leaders are gone. The leaders they're gone,
and they had another set of leaders. They're gone. Now
they have another set of leaders. They may be gone,
who knows. And you know what I may be gone
to because I'm the number one target. I got to
know them, and I'm not sure I want to make
a deal with them. We can play games, but I'm
(09:50):
not sure I want to make it deal. Let's just
finish the job. Anything that happens is going to be
over very quickly, and we'll only and we'll only make
it safer, including for oil. Oil is going to be
very free, very easy, and it's going to happen very fast.
We have the Harmo Street, the boats have pulled out.
(10:10):
I mean, there's a gusher of oil right now. We
have a lot of oil. And no, anything that happens
is going to happen very fast.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Anything that's going to happen is going to happen. Sure
that's only on your side. It doesn't necessarily mean on
the Iranian side. Here is Trump also saying that he
may reimpose the blockade.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Let's take a listener as.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
To whether or not Steve Whitcoff, Jared and j D
and everybody.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Working and that will talk. I guess they could talk.
But I'm not seeing it with them, you know, with
the people. My whole life is deal. So I don't
see it. I don't see it with them.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
And that may be.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
A big attack, and it will knock out a lot
of stuff. We don't knock out nothing. We knock out
a lot. Pete, do you want to tell him about lessoning?
Speaker 8 (10:59):
Yes, sir as you said, a lot of small craft
that they were trying to harass shipping with. So that
was a big part of what we targeted.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Underground facilities where they were restoring drones or missiles, coastal
defense sites, radar sites, surveillance sites, anything used to harass
shipping in the straight of horror moves.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So anything they thought they had rebuilt their capability they.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Were using was a target last night and tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
If we need to, on your order, mister President, we
will hit even more and even deeper, because that's the
cops go.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We may put down to the blockade.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
We may put it back at the blockade.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
A five.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Please with some vo we can show all of you here.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The US Central Command released this yesterday, saying today more
than twenty US Navy warships are patrolling waters across the
Middle East. Scent Com forces continued promoting regional security and stability.
Last month, the US Naval warships and aircraft transited the
Arabian Sea in a close formation, demonstrating unmatched military strength
and firepower. So look very obvious signaling which is happening here,
(12:00):
and it's like a straight propaganda you know video about
the blockade. But I mean, we're really just right back
to where we started before the ceasefire, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Ryan? And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I mean, we didn't want to let Iran implement.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, their their passage system for free, Yeah, for free,
but they said you have to coordinate with us. I
really don't know where we go from here. And to
be honest, I'm a little mystified with the Iranians. They
talk a big game, but you know, everything right now
is horizontal, and I wonder, I mean, why are they
also so content with the status quo because it's not
like they're getting to sell that much oil. They did
(12:37):
take a ton of damage, I mean hundreds of billions
of dollars in damage. I guess the regime is doing
fine internally, but you know, eventually you start paying bills,
people of normal life and all of that does have
to resume.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
We're setting sanctions relief for the that's which they well,
they thought they were going to get that, but then
America just took it away.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
As of two days ago, I would have expected a
resumption of full on war now. One potential explanation for
that is that while US sanctions may be in place,
is that a whole other golf countries. Everybody sat in rooms.
Now hands have been shaked. Everybody's kind of had mutual understandings.
Maybe there's a hell of a lot of money moving
(13:13):
across different banks in China or out or bitcoin or
any of these other places where everyone's just paying them off,
but nobody really knows about it right now. And that's
one of the reasons why the Iranians aren't actually still
going forward.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We might just live in this limbo. But it's nonetheless to.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Say, like limbo is still really bad, Like it's not
as bad as a full on war, but it's still bad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, Yes, And the oil markets which had been recovering
as money was coming out and put up base seven
and now they're all they're going hey wire again.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And we mentioned on that you can put up base seven.
We put We mentioned the.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Show yesterday that I think we were down to about
ninety million barrels. Yeah, in our petroleum strategic reserve. That
is very very little, considering just last week we released
on an emergency basis an additional six and that's even
as we had significant flow coming out of the Strait
(14:08):
of Hormuz. So now we're basically shutting down the Strait
of Hormuz again, as as long as we're doing active
combat with Iran and we're down to ninety million barrels,
and that's with inventories low across the board as well, so.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
There's no room to give.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
When Trump said I had to reach a deal because
there would be havoc and I would become Hoover if
I didn't, he was reflecting objective reality. He doesn't like
the reality, so now he's pushing against it. And how
far he pushes against the reality remains to be seen.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But that reality is still there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
So he's either going to get havoc and Hoover or
he's going to go He's going to have to go
back to capitulation and acknowledging that Iran controls the Strait
of Hormos or complete in total civilizational annihilation of Iran. Now,
treat a parsy. You can put up a eight has
been arguing. You know that they're you know that there's
(15:10):
still a way that you can get back into this,
and it's you know, effectively, you have to seed some
ground here, like Iran controls the Strait of Hormoves with
Oman right and who cares cares?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Like if they're letting the ships go through.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
If the ships go through and you got to pay
a little fake environmental fee, that still seems like a
lot better.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Than I pay all kinds of fake fees before the
gas goes into the car.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I drove from here to Maine cost me one hundred
and ten dollars in tolls.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You don't even know where the ship ship here, there
and everywhere. Most of it goes to some corrupt guy
in New Jersey. You know, it's like, it is what
it is. It happens, all right, Let's put a seven,
you know, to your point up here on the screen.
How the oil market calm is shattered by all of
these fresh hostilits. We're not exaggerating, and it's still it's
like eighty dollars a barrel or something like that. But
(16:00):
that is still the highest level that it's been actually
in weeks. And the quote chief investment officer of a
major financial services firm A based in Houston says, the
honeymoon phase is over and we're just being reminded this
is an active conflict. It is a reminder just generally
that gas, as I said earlier, three eighty four gallon
nationally I mean it's high, like it's still a ride
(16:21):
around near four dollars a gallon, California five thirty eight,
the entire West coast still in the five dollars range.
Some cheap gas in Texas and other places three forty one,
but that's still a full dollar above where it is earlier.
And get you know, diesel is still around four eighty
a gallon. So yeah, it's not the five to eighty
that it was, but it's still significant, I think in
(16:43):
terms of the overall transit costs that continues. It's a
transit tax on all Americans.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And speaking of your populist buddy, Abdullah said, you know,
he has foreshadowed that went if he challenged, if he
wins the nomination goes up against Mike Rodgers, he's planning
on calling him five dollar Rogers the entire campaign and
pinning his hawkishness to the five dollar gas that people
are going to be paying. Yeah, Trump is flirting with
pushing five dollar rogers into literal reality.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He said.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
It also has a bribery connotation that he'll do anything
for five bucks. But because we're now in July, right,
we're not talking February anymore. The elections are in just
a couple of months. And if he continues, if he
insists on pushing this war forward, we are going to
be talking about five dollar rogers all over the country.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think what's unfortunate is we all know he won't invade.
We all know he's not going to take over carg Island.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
We all know that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But we do know.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
What we do know is that he's going to live
in this weird gray area which is extremely which is bad,
but not extremely bad.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's just at that three eighty gallon, it's a couple strikes.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, markets go down as long as AI continues
to fuel our stock marketing. I just think there's no
forcing mechanism right now to actually end all of this nonsense.
And that's actually the most dangerous part. And you know
I've been trying to get more Ukraine stuff in here.
Let's put a nine up here on the screen. This
just shows to me the sheer arrogance and delusion really
of Trump where he says he supports now the Ukrainian
(18:14):
long range strikes deep inside of Russia. This was paired
with two things, so not only do so what he's
basically saying is Ukraine you take all your drones, fire
them deep in there as long as you possibly want.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, what's the risk of that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
What's currently happening right now, which is the Ukrainians will
even acknowledge their long range strikes are being met with
the heaviest ballistic missile attacks of all time on the
city of Kiev and all over the country. Why are
they doing that, because that's the only advantage that Russia has.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Trump also said yesterday, Oh, we're going to give Ukraine
a license to build patriots. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Good. We can't even build our own patriots.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're going to build them in a war torn zone
or going to outsources to Germany or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
This is all spreadsheet warfare, like, it's not how it works.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Right, And they're also they're getting hit today, yes, today,
five years last week there were two ballistic missile attacks
from Russia on Ki that killed thirty plus people like
each time, because the ballistic missile interceptor stockpile of Ukraine
has Yeah, I think they intercepted zero ballistic missiles the
first time in the last attack. And Ukraine has been
consistently complaining that we're used that we've used multiple times
(19:29):
as many ballistic missile interceptors for Israel and for American
ships in Iran, as it's been used in the entire
war between Russia and Ukraine, which yeah, which is true.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know, things have costs, And if we had.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Ended the war in Ukraine years ago, they have more
bistic missile interceptors for somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, and this is kind of well, the reason I'm
bringing it into to this is a show. So if
you're some you know, pro Ukraine head who's watching this,
you should be furious because we just blew the whole
We don't even have it. If you wanted to help you,
you can't. There's nothing left. Anything that's not nailed down
is gone.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It will take years to replace. And so yeah, oh
you want to help Ukraine, that's cute. We literally can't.
So this shows you the problem with this endless war ideology,
especially now where America has transitioned to we have no
boots on the ground, which throw a bunch of missiles
out into the air. Everybody thinks it's costless. It's costless
to the cost and that the cost is being shown
in Ukraine. The cost is shown to our bases and
(20:25):
to basically the massive strategic humiliation failure that we took
in Iran and also in the future, like if there's
a conflict which will arise in the next two to
three years, it's over. It's actually over, like it will
really basically our stockpile will go to zero in third
if Iran can deplete the stockpile by forty fifty percent
something like that, depending on which stockpile you're looking at.
(20:47):
For the weapon system. In thirty seven days, what's China
going to do five days two? I mean, you know,
and you start rationing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
We start rationing. That's what happens in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
People die, right, It's a death panel, said, literally, a
death panel every day.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
And let's finish with a little bit of fun at
the expense of our many. It's tough because like you know,
he's flying around the world, he's a very old man.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
We can still have some fun.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Let's put put up a for the Islamic.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Republic of Japan, et cetera. A four one hundred.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I told this story yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
We had one hundred and eleven missile shot by the
Islamic Republic of Japan. They were shot at the air
JC POC. What a terrible what a terrible deal. I
call it the Obama Nuclear waste deal because what he
did with that deal is he caused tremendous hardship in
(21:42):
the Middle East. It was a terrible, terrible Do.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
You have a question for President? Do you have a
question for President? Not so much, what would you like
to ask him? Because I'm going to ask him that question.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
The Islamic Republic of Japan press in putin all in two.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I like, I like his clean up.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
At the end, he's like, well, if you have a question,
putin tell me yeah, I'll ask him right and then
I'll get back to you exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
And he also called it the j C POC.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That's kind of.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
JC Joint Comprehensive People of Color.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yes, I like that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That sounds like some end of lace. The Islamic Republic
of Japan. The Japanese, you know that meme where they're like.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What weekend? Yeah, and Pernrito is like whoa, whoa, whoa wait,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Just like you know, and man, I love Japan so much.
Japanese you know, you know you did you know?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The Japanese lit up Tokyo Tower Red, white, and Blue
for July fourth.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I did not know that there's such great people. They little.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
They did a little drone show which showed their PM
next to Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
They love us.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
All we do is slight them. It's it's just disgusting, disgusting,
all right, let's get the Platinner.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Grand Platner, in an eleven minutes straight to camera video,
announced that he is dropping out of the main center.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Let's listen to some of it.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Hey, everyone, it's Cramp Platner here. I think, as many
of you know, over the past couple of days, I
have faced some very serious allegations, and I just want
to make it clear this is all false. The things
that have been claimed did not happen. It's not real.
It has placed an immense amount of weight on me
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as I think about what needs to happen now. I
just want you to think about what you would do
as a regular person in a position where a much
larger world, large forces were working against you personally to
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accuse you of the worst thing that a person could do,
and it was not remotely true. It can't be made,
and for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations. This
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is incredibly difficult because I know that some will think
it's an admission of guilt, and it most certainly is not.
We're not doing it because of the allegations. We're doing
it because of the structures that are being taken away
from us by those in power. We were asking for
real democracy, and we did it the right way and
we won. But now the ball is in the court
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of the democratic establishment. My name might be on the
ballot right now, but that ballot line belongs to the
people of Maine Osaka.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
There was also a line in there where he said,
we did it the right way, the way you're supposed
to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
We did it through elect the electoral system.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
And very like he's alluding to the kind of fringe
left wing court. No, he's alluding to this fringe left
wing debate about armed revolution versus politics.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Oh, is that what you That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I read fast to this whole kangaroo court system.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Which is what he was saying, is we wanted healthcare,
we wanted to end the genocide, and we did it
through the electoral system, which you say is the way
to bring about change.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Oh, I see, and he's strongly implying it. I'm not
enough of a comedy, right.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That was That was That was like for the for
the COMMI heads, but overall, you know, we over diagnosed
narcissm all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But it was a very like self focus.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, let's break this down.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I mean, guys, I look, we caught a decent portion
of it and we're just here to react. But you
got to go listen to the full thing. I listened
to the full thing. It's eleven and a half minutes
something like that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Me me, me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
He takes breaks, he's on the verge of tears. He's
a he's huffing, he's puffing, he's sighing. I mean it's
only maybe eight minutes in before he's like, thank you
to all of the people who signed up. I'm like, uh,
it is not about you, bro, It's supposed to be
about everybody. I actually thought it was the most Trumpian
thing possible. Uh and uh that was it was in
(26:16):
that moment Graham I was like, he's a politician, because
I can, I say eight and a half minutes, so
it's all about me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's just all this is totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He was right for politics.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, I was like, you know, he really you know,
people are always like, oh, he's a total outsider. I'm like, no,
you had this in you man, You're just like all
the rest of them, which comports, by the way, with
all of your behavior.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And so yeah, look it's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You and I we talked a decent amount over the
last two days about the accusation about people taking a beat.
He is not wrong in my opinion that this is
all being used as a pretext of a coup. And
I want to be clear, this is way bigger than Maine.
This is now the establishment using me too and shady
(26:59):
super pac five oh one C four's to basically come
in not only just take out a candidate here, but
then to discredit everyone in the movement at a national level,
from the consultants on down, to discredit them from the
Democratic establishment. You know, you have people out there, some
of these Superpack people and others saying, if you had
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not resigned before today, we're going to blacklist you from
campaign politics forever, all of your consultants, all of these
other people, the main Democratic Party coming in and saying
you will have no say whatsoever on this process. So
beyond plattners, you know, me, me, me, it's a very
cry baby honestly, like his entire video. It also is,
in my opinion, like really pathetic Ryan, because he did
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not actually demand or extract any concessions whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
People say, what power.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Do you have?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I mean, your name's on the ballot, dude, you can
you actually can demand whatever you want. I don't think
he's wrong, because everything moved so quickly that within what
eight hours of publication of the story, the DSCC, Conshumer,
Act Blue and everybody else was like, you're done. You're
cut off from the platform, like the infrastructure was over.
But I mean, I do think there's a world where
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I mean, I ultimately his line about people will say
me withdrawing has nothing to do with the admission of guilt,
like I'm sorry, Like you will be branded as a
rapist for the rest of your life, like period, end
of story. And if you didn't do it, I can
only say this, you know, for at a personal level.
But also you know, I know a decent number of
politicians or observe them all too in general, like if
you really are not guilty, you fight, you stand up
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and you fight.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Brett Kavanaugh fought, you know, many others.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Or even if you are guilty. In some cases, they
stand up and they fight and they win. Just take
a look at you. Half the people administration.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I've covered a lot of different instances where people have
been accused and they and they drop out and then
they spend like the rest of their life trying to
clear their name. One thing that I thought he failed
at in this video and in his previous one, his
like two minute video whether the story first came out,
was he just come out with this full on, these
(29:02):
are false allegations, right and then and then moves on.
He makes no space whatsoever for this woman who's been
his who he dated for like two years, to even
say something about how she felt about the experience, just a.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Straight up this is false.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
But then doesn't give his supporters anything to hang there,
to hang their support on.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Okay, it's false. How is it false?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Like you didn't go over there, it was consensual, Like,
what's the what is what is your side of the story?
If this is a he said, she said, we have
the she said like she courageously went to the press
told her story.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There is no he.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Said other than it's all absolutely false. The yesterday when
when we were talking about this people should go back
and watch our conversation. But then on Twitter, like particularly,
there was a Twitter post from a drop site that
people thought was kind of suggesting that, oh, because she
(30:15):
sent this text, therefore all of this is justified.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Which is the opposite of what we said. The opposite
of what we said.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
And I think anybody who watches the segment will understand that.
But I can understand why people like who are just
scanning quickly would come away in a.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good faith way with like, is that what they're saying. No,
of course that's not what we're saying.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
We are litigating the most serious allegation you can make
against somebody's short of murder, literally in the court of
public opinion. If we're going to do that, and if
the victim is putting forward her version of the story,
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the media should accurately present her version of the story.
She told her version on the record to Politico. Politico
selectively chose not to include some details. They included lots
of other details. Doors unlocked, a sewing machine like, lots
of details were put in. They chose not to include
the detail of the text message and then and then
(31:19):
wrote it up in an opposite way, right and if
you're going to if the public is going to hash
this out in the media, and the victim has the
courage to be transparent about what she's saying the media,
it's not up to the media to then like pick
and choose what they put forward in a deliberate and
(31:40):
calculated way. And I think I don't think anybody actually
disagrees with that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
No, they don't disagree. They all are using it again.
That's why I started with the pretext. And I look,
people are like, why are you so My wife actually
asked me, She's like, why do you even care so
much about this? And I was like, because it's not democratic.
I'm an only I don't particularly you know, I don't
love Platner, not some dsa head. I am watching twenty
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seventeen era witch hunt style journalism come back into the
fold as an establishment coup forcing mechanism to destroy a
populist movement. It's not my movement, but it is a
populist movement, a genuine populist movement. I think that's outrageous
for our country. And I mean, look, if you don't
spend a lot of time on Twitter, go take a
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look at what they're saying. About Ryan like, they really
called you and my rape apologists, They said you were disgusting.
There it's being used by the Zionists because they already
hated you for going after the New York Times rape
story that allegedly happened on October seventh, which you very
very credibly and always with extreme care have not just disputed,
(32:48):
I have discredited completely. You don't do it as a
rape apologist. You do it to set the record straight
because you also know that those accusations about rape on
October seventh were used as a pretext than to just
and to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's why you did it, right. And so then let's
step back here.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, why do I see all of this Because I
see the architecture in the same architecture and journalism which
was used to destroy people's lives, many ordinary people live,
people much less powerful than Graham Platner.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
It's right back.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So not only Ryan were you the subject of intense hatred,
but there was also I sent this to our group chat. Yesterday,
the Columbia Journalism Review ran a full interview with the
story with the reporters who were.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
On the Politico story.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And if everyone will remember, we played a video yesterday
of Mika Brazinski saying and questioning the reporter Adam Wren. Hey,
you guys have no evidence. How do you know that
this ever actually happened? What steps did you take for corroboration?
The Columbia Journalism Review, which again is supposed to defend journalism,
here's what it said about Mika's lineup questioning. Brazinski's queries
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may not be out of place in a meeting with editors,
fact checkers, and lawyers, but on air, in the absence
of context about the way sexual assault is experience are
shared with others, they display a misunderstanding of the work.
And in other words, how dare you be adversarial?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
She was not even adversarial to the victim, right, she
was not. I promise you, if Jenny Raycott was ever
here on the show, we would treat her with the
absolute utmost respect, and I would not say that I
would not call her a liar, and I would definitely
not even treat her with the way Meeki Persinski.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But the reporter who's doing the work.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, you are actually up for scrutiny. How
dare you Basically, you are completely unassailable because what you're
doing is elevating her story. And yet her story to
you included the detail about that text message and you
didn't include it. So actually you are you should be
subject to intense scrutiny and mister Jake Tapper who never responded.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
By the way to our request for her, And.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
There's there's a strong argument you made, and I actually
believe it.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I believe this argument.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That the fact that she included this detail about the
text message strengthens her critic I totally agree with you,
because it shows a confidence in her version of the story,
like she's like, look, this is what I experienced.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm telling you all of it.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
And then Politico sees all of it and they're like, actually,
we're going to leave that out because people are going
to judge that in a way we don't want them
to judge it, and so we're just not going to
include it. That's why they didn't include it, and that
was that was wrong. The blast radius of this is
like infinite almost, it's monument. So the White House cryptos
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are we could put this up in post. The White
House cryptos are thinks that crypto interests deserve to benefit
from this. He tweeted at Elizabeth Warren, I wonder how
heavily your colleagues will wait your advice on crypto legislation
after the train wreck you just orchestrated in Maine. And
this is a response to Elizabeth Warren saying, as currently drafted,
(35:59):
the Clarity is a ticket to sanctions of ASI and
the Clarity Act is the meek attempt to regulate crypto.
So the crypto industry, through the White House cryptos are
thinks that they can even exploit this at this point,
it is you know, it is it is open season
for people to use this against people that they that
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they've long.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Been going after.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Now, the way that Maine Democrats are currently planning to
replace Platner, we can put up B five here. They
have until I believe it's a twenty seventh or twenty
sixth or twenty seventh to get this done. It would
be a six hundred person convention that would vote on
a replacement. Five hundred of these people would be elected
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proportionally by county committees. In other words, the county committees
will have on a Tuesday night, they'll meet and everybody
who shows up then votes for you know who that
county is going to you know who the county is
going to send to this six hundred person convention. Now,
of course, it being the Democratic Party, one hundred of
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the six hundred will just be you know, party acts.
So if now not all of those party hacks are
are hacks. Actually, because there's been so much grassroots effort
to take over the Democratic Party, a non trivial number
of those hundred are going to be populous and progressive types.
So the movement that was behind Platner, which included fifteen
(37:34):
thousand volunteers like you were just in Maine. Yeah, that's
a staggering number of people in a state that small.
They're already planning to organize. I mean, everybody obviously is planning,
but they're the ones that are the most organized, planning
to go to these county committee meetings when they're scheduled
and get behind a particular candidate I suspect our reporting
(37:56):
in the case, that will be Troy Jackson, and then
try to send a majority of their own delegates to
the state committee and then nominate nominate Troy Jackson. Troy
Jackson put out a statement announcing that he is running
for office on a platform of Medicare for all, taking
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on corporate power, standing up for working people. Conspicuously absent
from his statement was the gods of genocide or an
anti war message. He's opposes the genocide. He has called
it out. He is an anti war candidate in the moment,
He's like, no, I don't think I'm gonna I don't
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think we're going to include that necessarily in the statement
that we're putting out here. It's like a lesson learned
type of situation.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I just I mean, I can you could see
it all coming from a mile away, right, because anytime
party apparatics get involved, we all know like they're going
to be disproportionately more establishment.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yes, I think that people can actually win this though.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You may be right, right, but but we do see
the ground already being set, you know, for I don't know,
like let's.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Put be four up here. For example.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So you have this founder of main beer company, Dan
cleban He now says he's in the race. He says,
for too long, this race has been about Susan Collins
repeated failures. But to do what's right for Maine, that's unacceptable.
Mayners are paying the price for her destructive leadership. He says,
I've been overwhelmed by the countless calls from mayners encouraged
me to consider this race. And he says that he's
going to run in the open and transparent process to replace.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I don't know a ton about Dan, but I do
know that he was one of those candidates who had
originally considered running, but Chuck Schumer told him, hey, don't
enter the race because we need Janet Mills.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
We got to clear the field and make sure that
he wins.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm just pointing out that with all these you know,
some of these outsiders and others. The thing is about
Graham is he ran for a year, so it was
all out there, like we actually knew what he thought
about everything. And you could say that to a much
lesser extent about You could say that to a much
lesser here about Troy Jacks or some of these state
legislator but they didn't have an actually run, you know,
they ran for governor. Yeah, but that's not the same
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as a United States Senate. The votes are totally different.
Like these are national politics votes that you're going to
have to take on taxes, on healthcare, on war, how
do we know you know, how you run as a governor.
That's why states very often will choose different party governors
because they don't care necessarily about how you run the state.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
But at national level it's totally different.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You might have take an impeachment vote, you might have
to take you know, who knows there are all kinds
of Supreme Court you know in terms of a confirmation.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
What do you think about all those things? We can
infer but we don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Graham actually put it all out there and made really
the pretext of his campaign about health care, about wealth,
and about war and those three things. Obviously, we're a
very very powerful message. We don't have it's not even
possible to do the same amount of vetting that's that's required,
I think in the next two week period. Like you know,
if we put that last one B five up here
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and again I'll let you explain it better. But this
proportionality by only Committee five hundred, can they really organize
necessarily at the county level in the same way you
think so? Well, But that's my question too, because then
this is where it gets down to the state level
as well.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Let's think about you know counties are going to if
it's all county committees, isn't that going to disproportionately represent
like more rural areas as opposed to you think so
because I was in Portland in a city. It's proportional, Okay,
So it's a population right, I'm just thinking this.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
So it won't disproportionately. It'll be.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
The Portland counties and the banger and you know the
areas will have this report, they will have proportionally more
representation at the at the state level. Even so, this, uh,
this movement is much better organized than deeper in every
county in the in the state. So and as the
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volut Nathan Bernard's piece is at drop site is really
worth reading. A lot of the volunteers were saying very
quickly like this is heartbreaking to us and we feel betrayed, but.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's not about one person. Now.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
He was a kind of uniquely kind of gifted political talent,
also obviously uniquely flawed, But they were saying, it's not
about one person. All of us can still push forward.
And there's a lot of disillusionment among the kind of
progressive populist world now. But the same structural forces that
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have produced. All of the anger that has been channeled
into this movement exists today as they existed last week. Certainly,
immense damage has been done, but the structural the structural
problems that are produced by the oligarchy that created this
movement are still there and they're not going away. And
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so that's why I do think actually they have the
organizing capacity and.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
The drive and the will.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
To by the end of July have have put another
populist up, which will be interesting to see how the
establishment responds, because they've been saying nobody who has had
anything to do with Platner should ever be anywhere near
anything ever again, and that's okay for you to say,
but there are still we're still somewhat of a democracy,
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so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let's put this last thing I just sent this guy's
is a new poll actually that was fielded by Platner's
team on Tuesday, gauging the strength of the people who
could replace him on the ballot.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So their internal poll.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
This is very small sample size because a snap pole
is seven hundred and eighty five voters. They found Troy
Jackson at forty nine forty four, Susan Collins versus Graham
Plattner would have been forty seven forty two, so Graham
under five points to Susan Collins. In his own poll,
Susan Collins and Janet Mills would have been forty eight
thirty seven. Susan Collins and Jordan Wood would have been
(43:53):
forty seven and thirty eight. Bellows and Shah, they said
both essentially tied Collins at forty seven and forty five
percent respectively.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
There's going to be a huge margin of error, and
you know you should take that before before everything. No, no,
this was this was snaphole. So this was I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
It's before negative ads, right before a good point hundreds
of millions of dollars spen.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And that's part of the thing too, where you just
don't know. I mean, platinm was a known entity. So
whoever does replace him, this is not necessarily a horrible thing,
but you're gonna need, like, I mean, tens of millions
to tell the state who you are. The NRSC, I
could guarantee you they're on a high. They haven't been
in quite some time. They thought she was dead in
this race, and now they're going to fundraise dramatically and
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they're negative ads. Whoever decides they're going to run, they
will be hit with a negative ad the day that
they get announced, and then it's just going to be
blanket the entire state. So look, it's going to be
a wave year. Platiner was still only down five in
the absolute worst of it. I think he's still could
have won personally if he staid and fought. I actually
really think he could have won by maybe one or
two points. But you know, it would have been a harder,
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but I think so.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
But he decided to drop out.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
So now it's just a big question I think about
who's going to be able to replace him, and if
the process doesn't play out for the activists and the
way that they want, do they show up in November,
you know, or are they going to say screw you.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I'm just you know, politics has done for me.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
If they feel screwed, right, that could definitely hurt him
in November. I think one final thought is like a
meta thought here in this this show and also independent
media kind of allows us to do this more honest
kind of coverage and frankly just to let people in
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on it, like personally and professionally, it's not fun.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
No, I'd actually rather not.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Do it, and if you are at a kind of
corporate media outlet, you kind of just don't do it. Yeah,
and you're actually okay with that, you like, I can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Like so.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
In twenty twenty, Alex Morse's Democratic candidate arm Abraham running
in western Massachusetts got accused of all sorts of stuff
and I said, where's the evidence for this? I was
getting called a creep or a rape apologist all and
then over time it turned out, and we did the
reporting on this, that it was a actual coordinated smear
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campaign that was fabricated by people who wanted jobs in
the other guy's office, and the guy's entire reputational safety
still ended up losing. Is this damaging stuff? He's now
a Provincetown may not mayor what do you call it?
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Town manager?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Best job, best job in the world for him. In
twenty twenty one, Scott Stringer was running for mayor and
faced some really complicated and odd allegations which are now
still playing out in court. We were the only ones
that did any reporting on what are the actual allegations here?
And it's not because we want to do that, it's
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that because structurally we can there's an obligation to do it,
like because if we can do it, and we know
that there are facts out there that aren't being included
in the in the public discussion, even if it's difficult
to put those forward. If we don't do it, then
what are we doing with the space that has been
created for us by this independent audience? I agree, we
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would just be coasting on it and cynically just cashing checks.
So if you're not doing the hard thing, you're not
You're you're not living up.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
To your obligation, and you have to. That's a thank
you to the people who make this possible.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
And you have to see and look, I mean, I
don't know, this isn't this isn't about us, but we
can see. How how many dms do we get from
people in the mainstream media or like thank you for.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Doing it, yes, thank you for doing that. Yes, but
they can't do it like all day, all day yesterday. Yes,
people reaching out here like.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Good story, great story, you're totally right, but you know,
guess what they're working for, A big corporation Columbia Journalism Review.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I mean, look what happened.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I just told you, Meek a present multi millionaire hostman MSNBC,
daughter of a daughter of Heitan, Titan of the American
as as you can get in the and she's getting
hit for being semi skeptical about a me too allegation
to a reporter, not even to a victim, all right,
and so for just.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
The general principle of very serious allegations requires require serious screens.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
And you know again, you know all the people at Politico,
these reporters, they're being failed as heroes.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Maybe they are.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
I don't know, you guys can decide. Jake Tappernal, Oh
my god, what a great interview. Everything is all praise.
So if you you know, if you don't swim in
that current and you swim against it, the hatred that
you engender in them, you put your literal livelihood at risk.
And so it's easier to just stay silent.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
But they do, they do know how to scrutinize allegations.
When Tara Reid came forward with one on the rest, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Or yeah right, if anybody who is inconvenient to the system,
then they definitely know how to scrutinize a victim or
they know how or with Christine Christine Bosi for oh,
she's the greatest truth teller in history, even.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
Though I'm like or on the right, she's the biggest
liar in here or the biggest lion.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
All the same people who are saying, no, that's driving me. Yeah, exactly.
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These guys who you know, called the hag Seth accuser,
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you know it's one or the other. I'm I'm I'm consistent,
like I'm basically I'm like I basically at this point
in this day and age, if it's a racism allegation
or a rape allegation, I'm like, you got to prove
(49:35):
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All Right, So let's get to what we're going to
cover in the show. We're going to start with some
new American strikes on Iran. Largely these strikes are concentrated
in the straight of Horn moves. However, Iran late last
night struck back against multiple US bases, huge censorship coming
(01:32):
out of the region. We don't have perfect video, but
we're going to show you a little bit of what
we have. Meanwhile, the price of oil continuing to spike,
the strategic Petroleum Reserve at very very critical levels.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Platner, we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Platina released some eleven minute long video late last night.
The bottom line for that, he's dropping out of the
race no conditions, and the main Democratic Party has a
new process. It's totally corrupt. I'll let Ryan break all
of that one down. Mitch McConnell, you might have seen this,
Scott Jennings, friend of the show. I guess you could
(02:03):
call it was on CNN, where previously he had tweeted
that he just spent twenty minutes on the phone with
McConnell and McConnell was so sharp and they discuss world politics,
and the CNN anchor is like, Okay, call him right now.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He's like, oh, I can't do that.
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And that's after.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Multiple other people claim to have spoken with McConnell for
some twenty minutes, nobody else has. And his wife, who
was in China, just release his statement justifying why she
left his bedside two days after he had been hospitalized
from a cardiac arrest for mains in the hospital and
she hasn't even confirmed that she has seen him. So
it's total madness out here. We're going to talk about Michigan,
(02:40):
the Michigan Democratic primary, very very fiery of Hailey Stevens
versus Abdul Elsiah.
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They threw down at a debate. There's some really interesting moments.
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I'm gonna le Ryan really break down some of the
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In our Platner coverage, I know what the numbers should be.
It's probably two thirds of what that numbered it's because
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as Ryan said, let's go ahead and start with Iran.
We're going to put this video up here on the
screen and I'll just show you a little bit of
what US Central Command has released as of last night.
So what you guys can see in front of you
was accompanied by this Sentcom statement. US Central Command has
completed an additional round of strikes against Iran to further
(05:47):
degrade Iran's ability to attack commercial shipping and innocent civilian
mariners in the Strait of Mourmus.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
US forces struck approximately ninety Iranian military targets, including air
defense systems, coastal surveillance systems, missile and drone storage sites,
naval capabilities, and military logistics. So all of this is
now dozens of targets struck last night, dozens of targets
struck the night before. Now let's take a look here
(06:15):
at the Iranian retaliatory strikes. So here's what we seem
to have seemed to have been targeted. According to the Iranians,
the footage in front of you was all released by them.
So according to the Iranian military, they released a they
targeted a Patriot missile system in Kuwait, an early warning
(06:35):
satellite and tennis site in Qatar, a fuel storage facility
site for the US military in Bahrain. And the IRGC
said that they also struck key infrastructure facilities at Airfon
Base in Kuwait, Ali Salan Base in Kuwait, US Navy's
fifth flight in base in Bahrain, and the Sheik Esa
Base in Bahrain. It's a couple of notworthy things here,
(06:56):
Ryan Number one, No. UAE here on the lad Ua
took a huge pounding. Now, remember there's some back deals
going on between you and the UA. Some money might
have exchanged hands, be like, hey, in the future, don't
hit us.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Here's a few billion you.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Know, it's like and the only thing hit and cutter
is this early warning satellite antenna site, which is squarely
like a US military exactly like piece of material, which
is much different than like hitting Doha or something.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, part of the reason why there was some there
was a lot of bated breath as of last night
when I went to bed, was because we knew not
only would you struck military sites in Iran, but a
couple key railways actually were hit by the United States military.
So civilian infrastructure obviously the military can use it too,
but Iran previously has always relied on the horizontal escalation,
hitting civilian infrastructure in return for hitting civilian infrastructure. So
(07:47):
people still are really in this. You know, Look, we're
just in the craziest limbo of all time. We're in
a cease fire where the fire has not ceased, and
it's like we are in a memorandum of understanding where
there's no understand Like we are in a peace process
where there's no peace.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We have no peace, no war.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Really, it's like the ground where the Americans side seems
to have been very comfortable. But the part of the
problem and why it just to me is totally inevitable
the things will shift, is that is always going to
be on our side. As the Vice President said, less
fire means we restock, we need to fill up the
strategic patrol and reserve, we get more oil flowing, the
(08:26):
price is down. I mean, you know, let's be honest,
most Americans, to the extent that they're paying a lot
of attentions when gases at four fifty starts to get
around three fifty, They're like, all right, you know it's high,
but it's not that high, right, and so people kind
of move on with it. I got summer vacation plans,
those types of things. But this is exactly the type
of thing which could jolt it right back into reality.
And Trump is now really I mean, he's right back
(08:48):
to where he was before.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And yeah, he might be making the exact same mistake
as he made last time when he started this war,
which is we're going to hit him for three days
and then they're going to come back to the table
with whoever we didn't kill, and we're negotiate a better.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Deal with them instead.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
They didn't listen when Iran said, no, we're going to
significantly retaliate and create a regional war. This time around,
they're saying they're going to significantly retaliate, and they're not
and they're not going.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
To tolerate this like tit for tat stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So we'll see if they once again live up to
their threats. But so far they have, you know, reached
significant damage across the region.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yes, so here is Trump saying, you know, Iran is
now the number one target. We've got to finish the job.
We've got to force open the straight up our moves.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Let's take a.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Listen, everything's gone. The leaders are gone. The leaders they're gone,
and they had another set of leaders. They're gone. Now
they have another set of leaders. They may be gone,
who knows. And you know what I may be gone
to because I'm the number one target. I got to
know them, and I'm not sure I want to make
a deal with them. We can play games, but I'm
(09:50):
not sure I want to make it deal. Let's just
finish the job. Anything that happens is going to be
over very quickly, and we'll only and we'll only make
it safer, including for oil. Oil is going to be
very free, very easy, and it's going to happen very fast.
We have the Harmo Street, the boats have pulled out.
(10:10):
I mean, there's a gusher of oil right now. We
have a lot of oil. And no, anything that happens
is going to happen very fast.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Anything that's going to happen is going to happen. Sure
that's only on your side. It doesn't necessarily mean on
the Iranian side. Here is Trump also saying that he
may reimpose the blockade.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Let's take a listener as.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
To whether or not Steve Whitcoff, Jared and j D
and everybody.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Working and that will talk. I guess they could talk.
But I'm not seeing it with them, you know, with
the people. My whole life is deal. So I don't
see it. I don't see it with them.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
And that may be.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
A big attack, and it will knock out a lot
of stuff. We don't knock out nothing. We knock out
a lot. Pete, do you want to tell him about lessoning?
Speaker 8 (10:59):
Yes, sir as you said, a lot of small craft
that they were trying to harass shipping with. So that
was a big part of what we targeted.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Underground facilities where they were restoring drones or missiles, coastal
defense sites, radar sites, surveillance sites, anything used to harass
shipping in the straight of horror moves.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So anything they thought they had rebuilt their capability they.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Were using was a target last night and tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
If we need to, on your order, mister President, we
will hit even more and even deeper, because that's the
cops go.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We may put down to the blockade.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
We may put it back at the blockade.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
A five.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Please with some vo we can show all of you here.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The US Central Command released this yesterday, saying today more
than twenty US Navy warships are patrolling waters across the
Middle East. Scent Com forces continued promoting regional security and stability.
Last month, the US Naval warships and aircraft transited the
Arabian Sea in a close formation, demonstrating unmatched military strength
and firepower. So look very obvious signaling which is happening here,
(12:00):
and it's like a straight propaganda you know video about
the blockade. But I mean, we're really just right back
to where we started before the ceasefire, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Ryan? And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I mean, we didn't want to let Iran implement.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, their their passage system for free, Yeah, for free,
but they said you have to coordinate with us. I
really don't know where we go from here. And to
be honest, I'm a little mystified with the Iranians. They
talk a big game, but you know, everything right now
is horizontal, and I wonder, I mean, why are they
also so content with the status quo because it's not
like they're getting to sell that much oil. They did
(12:37):
take a ton of damage, I mean hundreds of billions
of dollars in damage. I guess the regime is doing
fine internally, but you know, eventually you start paying bills,
people of normal life and all of that does have
to resume.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
We're setting sanctions relief for the that's which they well,
they thought they were going to get that, but then
America just took it away.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
As of two days ago, I would have expected a
resumption of full on war now. One potential explanation for
that is that while US sanctions may be in place,
is that a whole other golf countries. Everybody sat in rooms.
Now hands have been shaked. Everybody's kind of had mutual understandings.
Maybe there's a hell of a lot of money moving
(13:13):
across different banks in China or out or bitcoin or
any of these other places where everyone's just paying them off,
but nobody really knows about it right now. And that's
one of the reasons why the Iranians aren't actually still
going forward.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We might just live in this limbo. But it's nonetheless to.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Say, like limbo is still really bad, Like it's not
as bad as a full on war, but it's still bad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, Yes, And the oil markets which had been recovering
as money was coming out and put up base seven
and now they're all they're going hey wire again.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And we mentioned on that you can put up base seven.
We put We mentioned the.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Show yesterday that I think we were down to about
ninety million barrels. Yeah, in our petroleum strategic reserve. That
is very very little, considering just last week we released
on an emergency basis an additional six and that's even
as we had significant flow coming out of the Strait
(14:08):
of Hormuz. So now we're basically shutting down the Strait
of Hormuz again, as as long as we're doing active
combat with Iran and we're down to ninety million barrels,
and that's with inventories low across the board as well, so.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
There's no room to give.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
When Trump said I had to reach a deal because
there would be havoc and I would become Hoover if
I didn't, he was reflecting objective reality. He doesn't like
the reality, so now he's pushing against it. And how
far he pushes against the reality remains to be seen.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But that reality is still there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
So he's either going to get havoc and Hoover or
he's going to go He's going to have to go
back to capitulation and acknowledging that Iran controls the Strait
of Hormos or complete in total civilizational annihilation of Iran. Now,
treat a parsy. You can put up a eight has
been arguing. You know that they're you know that there's
(15:10):
still a way that you can get back into this,
and it's you know, effectively, you have to seed some
ground here, like Iran controls the Strait of Hormoves with
Oman right and who cares cares?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Like if they're letting the ships go through.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
If the ships go through and you got to pay
a little fake environmental fee, that still seems like a
lot better.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Than I pay all kinds of fake fees before the
gas goes into the car.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I drove from here to Maine cost me one hundred
and ten dollars in tolls.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You don't even know where the ship ship here, there
and everywhere. Most of it goes to some corrupt guy
in New Jersey. You know, it's like, it is what
it is. It happens, all right, Let's put a seven,
you know, to your point up here on the screen.
How the oil market calm is shattered by all of
these fresh hostilits. We're not exaggerating, and it's still it's
like eighty dollars a barrel or something like that. But
(16:00):
that is still the highest level that it's been actually
in weeks. And the quote chief investment officer of a
major financial services firm A based in Houston says, the
honeymoon phase is over and we're just being reminded this
is an active conflict. It is a reminder just generally
that gas, as I said earlier, three eighty four gallon
nationally I mean it's high, like it's still a ride
(16:21):
around near four dollars a gallon, California five thirty eight,
the entire West coast still in the five dollars range.
Some cheap gas in Texas and other places three forty one,
but that's still a full dollar above where it is earlier.
And get you know, diesel is still around four eighty
a gallon. So yeah, it's not the five to eighty
that it was, but it's still significant, I think in
(16:43):
terms of the overall transit costs that continues. It's a
transit tax on all Americans.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And speaking of your populist buddy, Abdullah said, you know,
he has foreshadowed that went if he challenged, if he
wins the nomination goes up against Mike Rodgers, he's planning
on calling him five dollar Rogers the entire campaign and
pinning his hawkishness to the five dollar gas that people
are going to be paying. Yeah, Trump is flirting with
pushing five dollar rogers into literal reality.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He said.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
It also has a bribery connotation that he'll do anything
for five bucks. But because we're now in July, right,
we're not talking February anymore. The elections are in just
a couple of months. And if he continues, if he
insists on pushing this war forward, we are going to
be talking about five dollar rogers all over the country.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I think what's unfortunate is we all know he won't invade.
We all know he's not going to take over carg Island.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
We all know that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But we do know.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
What we do know is that he's going to live
in this weird gray area which is extremely which is bad,
but not extremely bad.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's just at that three eighty gallon, it's a couple strikes.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, markets go down as long as AI continues
to fuel our stock marketing. I just think there's no
forcing mechanism right now to actually end all of this nonsense.
And that's actually the most dangerous part. And you know
I've been trying to get more Ukraine stuff in here.
Let's put a nine up here on the screen. This
just shows to me the sheer arrogance and delusion really
of Trump where he says he supports now the Ukrainian
(18:14):
long range strikes deep inside of Russia. This was paired
with two things, so not only do so what he's
basically saying is Ukraine you take all your drones, fire
them deep in there as long as you possibly want.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, what's the risk of that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
What's currently happening right now, which is the Ukrainians will
even acknowledge their long range strikes are being met with
the heaviest ballistic missile attacks of all time on the
city of Kiev and all over the country. Why are
they doing that, because that's the only advantage that Russia has.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Trump also said yesterday, Oh, we're going to give Ukraine
a license to build patriots. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Good. We can't even build our own patriots.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're going to build them in a war torn zone
or going to outsources to Germany or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
This is all spreadsheet warfare, like, it's not how it works.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Right, And they're also they're getting hit today, yes, today,
five years last week there were two ballistic missile attacks
from Russia on Ki that killed thirty plus people like
each time, because the ballistic missile interceptor stockpile of Ukraine
has Yeah, I think they intercepted zero ballistic missiles the
first time in the last attack. And Ukraine has been
consistently complaining that we're used that we've used multiple times
(19:29):
as many ballistic missile interceptors for Israel and for American
ships in Iran, as it's been used in the entire
war between Russia and Ukraine, which yeah, which is true.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You know, things have costs, And if we had.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Ended the war in Ukraine years ago, they have more
bistic missile interceptors for somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, and this is kind of well, the reason I'm
bringing it into to this is a show. So if
you're some you know, pro Ukraine head who's watching this,
you should be furious because we just blew the whole
We don't even have it. If you wanted to help you,
you can't. There's nothing left. Anything that's not nailed down
is gone.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It will take years to replace. And so yeah, oh
you want to help Ukraine, that's cute. We literally can't.
So this shows you the problem with this endless war ideology,
especially now where America has transitioned to we have no
boots on the ground, which throw a bunch of missiles
out into the air. Everybody thinks it's costless. It's costless
to the cost and that the cost is being shown
in Ukraine. The cost is shown to our bases and
(20:25):
to basically the massive strategic humiliation failure that we took
in Iran and also in the future, like if there's
a conflict which will arise in the next two to
three years, it's over. It's actually over, like it will
really basically our stockpile will go to zero in third
if Iran can deplete the stockpile by forty fifty percent
something like that, depending on which stockpile you're looking at.
(20:47):
For the weapon system. In thirty seven days, what's China
going to do five days two? I mean, you know,
and you start rationing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
We start rationing. That's what happens in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
People die, right, It's a death panel, said, literally, a
death panel every day.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
And let's finish with a little bit of fun at
the expense of our many. It's tough because like you know,
he's flying around the world, he's a very old man.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
We can still have some fun.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Let's put put up a for the Islamic.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Republic of Japan, et cetera. A four one hundred.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I told this story yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
We had one hundred and eleven missile shot by the
Islamic Republic of Japan. They were shot at the air
JC POC. What a terrible what a terrible deal. I
call it the Obama Nuclear waste deal because what he
did with that deal is he caused tremendous hardship in
(21:42):
the Middle East. It was a terrible, terrible Do.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
You have a question for President? Do you have a
question for President? Not so much, what would you like
to ask him? Because I'm going to ask him that question.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
The Islamic Republic of Japan press in putin all in two.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I like, I like his clean up.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
At the end, he's like, well, if you have a question,
putin tell me yeah, I'll ask him right and then
I'll get back to you exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
And he also called it the j C POC.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That's kind of.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
JC Joint Comprehensive People of Color.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yes, I like that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That sounds like some end of lace. The Islamic Republic
of Japan. The Japanese, you know that meme where they're like.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What weekend? Yeah, and Pernrito is like whoa, whoa, whoa wait,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Just like you know, and man, I love Japan so much.
Japanese you know, you know you did you know?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The Japanese lit up Tokyo Tower Red, white, and Blue
for July fourth.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I did not know that there's such great people. They little.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
They did a little drone show which showed their PM
next to Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
They love us.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
All we do is slight them. It's it's just disgusting, disgusting,
all right, let's get the Platinner.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Grand Platner, in an eleven minutes straight to camera video,
announced that he is dropping out of the main center.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Let's listen to some of it.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Hey, everyone, it's Cramp Platner here. I think, as many
of you know, over the past couple of days, I
have faced some very serious allegations, and I just want
to make it clear this is all false. The things
that have been claimed did not happen. It's not real.
It has placed an immense amount of weight on me
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as I think about what needs to happen now. I
just want you to think about what you would do
as a regular person in a position where a much
larger world, large forces were working against you personally to
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accuse you of the worst thing that a person could do,
and it was not remotely true. It can't be made,
and for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations. This
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is incredibly difficult because I know that some will think
it's an admission of guilt, and it most certainly is not.
We're not doing it because of the allegations. We're doing
it because of the structures that are being taken away
from us by those in power. We were asking for
real democracy, and we did it the right way and
we won. But now the ball is in the court
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of the democratic establishment. My name might be on the
ballot right now, but that ballot line belongs to the
people of Maine Osaka.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
There was also a line in there where he said,
we did it the right way, the way you're supposed
to do it.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
We did it through elect the electoral system.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
And very like he's alluding to the kind of fringe
left wing court. No, he's alluding to this fringe left
wing debate about armed revolution versus politics.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Oh, is that what you That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I read fast to this whole kangaroo court system.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Which is what he was saying, is we wanted healthcare,
we wanted to end the genocide, and we did it
through the electoral system, which you say is the way
to bring about change.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Oh, I see, and he's strongly implying it. I'm not
enough of a comedy, right.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
That was That was That was like for the for
the COMMI heads, but overall, you know, we over diagnosed
narcissm all the time.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But it was a very like self focus.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, let's break this down.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I mean, guys, I look, we caught a decent portion
of it and we're just here to react. But you
got to go listen to the full thing. I listened
to the full thing. It's eleven and a half minutes
something like that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Me me, me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
He takes breaks, he's on the verge of tears. He's
a he's huffing, he's puffing, he's sighing. I mean it's
only maybe eight minutes in before he's like, thank you
to all of the people who signed up. I'm like, uh,
it is not about you, bro, It's supposed to be
about everybody. I actually thought it was the most Trumpian
thing possible. Uh and uh that was it was in
(26:16):
that moment Graham I was like, he's a politician, because
I can, I say eight and a half minutes, so
it's all about me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's just all this is totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He was right for politics.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, I was like, you know, he really you know,
people are always like, oh, he's a total outsider. I'm like, no,
you had this in you man, You're just like all
the rest of them, which comports, by the way, with
all of your behavior.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And so yeah, look it's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You and I we talked a decent amount over the
last two days about the accusation about people taking a beat.
He is not wrong in my opinion that this is
all being used as a pretext of a coup. And
I want to be clear, this is way bigger than Maine.
This is now the establishment using me too and shady
(26:59):
super pac five oh one C four's to basically come
in not only just take out a candidate here, but
then to discredit everyone in the movement at a national level,
from the consultants on down, to discredit them from the
Democratic establishment. You know, you have people out there, some
of these Superpack people and others saying, if you had
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not resigned before today, we're going to blacklist you from
campaign politics forever, all of your consultants, all of these
other people, the main Democratic Party coming in and saying
you will have no say whatsoever on this process. So
beyond plattners, you know, me, me, me, it's a very
cry baby honestly, like his entire video. It also is,
in my opinion, like really pathetic Ryan, because he did
(27:40):
not actually demand or extract any concessions whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
People say, what power.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Do you have?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I mean, your name's on the ballot, dude, you can
you actually can demand whatever you want. I don't think
he's wrong, because everything moved so quickly that within what
eight hours of publication of the story, the DSCC, Conshumer,
Act Blue and everybody else was like, you're done. You're
cut off from the platform, like the infrastructure was over.
But I mean, I do think there's a world where
(28:08):
I mean, I ultimately his line about people will say
me withdrawing has nothing to do with the admission of guilt,
like I'm sorry, Like you will be branded as a
rapist for the rest of your life, like period, end
of story. And if you didn't do it, I can
only say this, you know, for at a personal level.
But also you know, I know a decent number of
politicians or observe them all too in general, like if
you really are not guilty, you fight, you stand up
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and you fight.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Brett Kavanaugh fought, you know, many others.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Or even if you are guilty. In some cases, they
stand up and they fight and they win. Just take
a look at you. Half the people administration.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I've covered a lot of different instances where people have
been accused and they and they drop out and then
they spend like the rest of their life trying to
clear their name. One thing that I thought he failed
at in this video and in his previous one, his
like two minute video whether the story first came out,
was he just come out with this full on, these
(29:02):
are false allegations, right and then and then moves on.
He makes no space whatsoever for this woman who's been
his who he dated for like two years, to even
say something about how she felt about the experience, just a.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Straight up this is false.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
But then doesn't give his supporters anything to hang there,
to hang their support on.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Okay, it's false. How is it false?
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Like you didn't go over there, it was consensual, Like,
what's the what is what is your side of the story?
If this is a he said, she said, we have
the she said like she courageously went to the press
told her story.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
There is no he.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Said other than it's all absolutely false. The yesterday when
when we were talking about this people should go back
and watch our conversation. But then on Twitter, like particularly,
there was a Twitter post from a drop site that
people thought was kind of suggesting that, oh, because she
(30:15):
sent this text, therefore all of this is justified.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Which is the opposite of what we said. The opposite
of what we said.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
And I think anybody who watches the segment will understand that.
But I can understand why people like who are just
scanning quickly would come away in a.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good faith way with like, is that what they're saying. No,
of course that's not what we're saying.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
We are litigating the most serious allegation you can make
against somebody's short of murder, literally in the court of
public opinion. If we're going to do that, and if
the victim is putting forward her version of the story,
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the media should accurately present her version of the story.
She told her version on the record to Politico. Politico
selectively chose not to include some details. They included lots
of other details. Doors unlocked, a sewing machine like, lots
of details were put in. They chose not to include
the detail of the text message and then and then
(31:19):
wrote it up in an opposite way, right and if
you're going to if the public is going to hash
this out in the media, and the victim has the
courage to be transparent about what she's saying the media,
it's not up to the media to then like pick
and choose what they put forward in a deliberate and
(31:40):
calculated way. And I think I don't think anybody actually
disagrees with that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
No, they don't disagree. They all are using it again.
That's why I started with the pretext. And I look,
people are like, why are you so My wife actually
asked me, She's like, why do you even care so
much about this? And I was like, because it's not democratic.
I'm an only I don't particularly you know, I don't
love Platner, not some dsa head. I am watching twenty
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seventeen era witch hunt style journalism come back into the
fold as an establishment coup forcing mechanism to destroy a
populist movement. It's not my movement, but it is a
populist movement, a genuine populist movement. I think that's outrageous
for our country. And I mean, look, if you don't
spend a lot of time on Twitter, go take a
(32:26):
look at what they're saying. About Ryan like, they really
called you and my rape apologists, They said you were disgusting.
There it's being used by the Zionists because they already
hated you for going after the New York Times rape
story that allegedly happened on October seventh, which you very
very credibly and always with extreme care have not just disputed,
(32:48):
I have discredited completely. You don't do it as a
rape apologist. You do it to set the record straight
because you also know that those accusations about rape on
October seventh were used as a pretext than to just
and to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's why you did it, right. And so then let's
step back here.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, why do I see all of this Because I
see the architecture in the same architecture and journalism which
was used to destroy people's lives, many ordinary people live,
people much less powerful than Graham Platner.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
It's right back.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So not only Ryan were you the subject of intense hatred,
but there was also I sent this to our group chat. Yesterday,
the Columbia Journalism Review ran a full interview with the
story with the reporters who were.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
On the Politico story.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And if everyone will remember, we played a video yesterday
of Mika Brazinski saying and questioning the reporter Adam Wren. Hey,
you guys have no evidence. How do you know that
this ever actually happened? What steps did you take for corroboration?
The Columbia Journalism Review, which again is supposed to defend journalism,
here's what it said about Mika's lineup questioning. Brazinski's queries
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may not be out of place in a meeting with editors,
fact checkers, and lawyers, but on air, in the absence
of context about the way sexual assault is experience are
shared with others, they display a misunderstanding of the work.
And in other words, how dare you be adversarial?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
She was not even adversarial to the victim, right, she
was not. I promise you, if Jenny Raycott was ever
here on the show, we would treat her with the
absolute utmost respect, and I would not say that I
would not call her a liar, and I would definitely
not even treat her with the way Meeki Persinski.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But the reporter who's doing the work.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, you are actually up for scrutiny. How
dare you Basically, you are completely unassailable because what you're
doing is elevating her story. And yet her story to
you included the detail about that text message and you
didn't include it. So actually you are you should be
subject to intense scrutiny and mister Jake Tapper who never responded.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
By the way to our request for her, And.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
There's there's a strong argument you made, and I actually
believe it.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I believe this argument.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
That the fact that she included this detail about the
text message strengthens her critic I totally agree with you,
because it shows a confidence in her version of the story,
like she's like, look, this is what I experienced.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm telling you all of it.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
And then Politico sees all of it and they're like, actually,
we're going to leave that out because people are going
to judge that in a way we don't want them
to judge it, and so we're just not going to
include it. That's why they didn't include it, and that
was that was wrong. The blast radius of this is
like infinite almost, it's monument. So the White House cryptos
(35:35):
are we could put this up in post. The White
House cryptos are thinks that crypto interests deserve to benefit
from this. He tweeted at Elizabeth Warren, I wonder how
heavily your colleagues will wait your advice on crypto legislation
after the train wreck you just orchestrated in Maine. And
this is a response to Elizabeth Warren saying, as currently drafted,
(35:59):
the Clarity is a ticket to sanctions of ASI and
the Clarity Act is the meek attempt to regulate crypto.
So the crypto industry, through the White House cryptos are
thinks that they can even exploit this at this point,
it is you know, it is it is open season
for people to use this against people that they that
(36:20):
they've long.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Been going after.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Now, the way that Maine Democrats are currently planning to
replace Platner, we can put up B five here. They
have until I believe it's a twenty seventh or twenty
sixth or twenty seventh to get this done. It would
be a six hundred person convention that would vote on
a replacement. Five hundred of these people would be elected
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proportionally by county committees. In other words, the county committees
will have on a Tuesday night, they'll meet and everybody
who shows up then votes for you know who that
county is going to you know who the county is
going to send to this six hundred person convention. Now,
of course, it being the Democratic Party, one hundred of
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the six hundred will just be you know, party acts.
So if now not all of those party hacks are
are hacks. Actually, because there's been so much grassroots effort
to take over the Democratic Party, a non trivial number
of those hundred are going to be populous and progressive types.
So the movement that was behind Platner, which included fifteen
(37:34):
thousand volunteers like you were just in Maine. Yeah, that's
a staggering number of people in a state that small.
They're already planning to organize. I mean, everybody obviously is planning,
but they're the ones that are the most organized, planning
to go to these county committee meetings when they're scheduled
and get behind a particular candidate I suspect our reporting
(37:56):
in the case, that will be Troy Jackson, and then
try to send a majority of their own delegates to
the state committee and then nominate nominate Troy Jackson. Troy
Jackson put out a statement announcing that he is running
for office on a platform of Medicare for all, taking
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on corporate power, standing up for working people. Conspicuously absent
from his statement was the gods of genocide or an
anti war message. He's opposes the genocide. He has called
it out. He is an anti war candidate in the moment,
He's like, no, I don't think I'm gonna I don't
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think we're going to include that necessarily in the statement
that we're putting out here. It's like a lesson learned
type of situation.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I just I mean, I can you could see
it all coming from a mile away, right, because anytime
party apparatics get involved, we all know like they're going
to be disproportionately more establishment.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yes, I think that people can actually win this though.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You may be right, right, but but we do see
the ground already being set, you know, for I don't know,
like let's.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Put be four up here. For example.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
So you have this founder of main beer company, Dan
cleban He now says he's in the race. He says,
for too long, this race has been about Susan Collins
repeated failures. But to do what's right for Maine, that's unacceptable.
Mayners are paying the price for her destructive leadership. He says,
I've been overwhelmed by the countless calls from mayners encouraged
me to consider this race. And he says that he's
going to run in the open and transparent process to replace.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I don't know a ton about Dan, but I do
know that he was one of those candidates who had
originally considered running, but Chuck Schumer told him, hey, don't
enter the race because we need Janet Mills.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
We got to clear the field and make sure that
he wins.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm just pointing out that with all these you know,
some of these outsiders and others. The thing is about
Graham is he ran for a year, so it was
all out there, like we actually knew what he thought
about everything. And you could say that to a much
lesser extent about You could say that to a much
lesser here about Troy Jacks or some of these state
legislator but they didn't have an actually run, you know,
they ran for governor. Yeah, but that's not the same
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as a United States Senate. The votes are totally different.
Like these are national politics votes that you're going to
have to take on taxes, on healthcare, on war, how
do we know you know, how you run as a governor.
That's why states very often will choose different party governors
because they don't care necessarily about how you run the state.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
But at national level it's totally different.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You might have take an impeachment vote, you might have
to take you know, who knows there are all kinds
of Supreme Court you know in terms of a confirmation.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
What do you think about all those things? We can
infer but we don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Graham actually put it all out there and made really
the pretext of his campaign about health care, about wealth,
and about war and those three things. Obviously, we're a
very very powerful message. We don't have it's not even
possible to do the same amount of vetting that's that's required,
I think in the next two week period. Like you know,
if we put that last one B five up here
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and again I'll let you explain it better. But this
proportionality by only Committee five hundred, can they really organize
necessarily at the county level in the same way you
think so? Well, But that's my question too, because then
this is where it gets down to the state level
as well.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Let's think about you know counties are going to if
it's all county committees, isn't that going to disproportionately represent
like more rural areas as opposed to you think so
because I was in Portland in a city. It's proportional, Okay,
So it's a population right, I'm just thinking this.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
So it won't disproportionately. It'll be.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
The Portland counties and the banger and you know the
areas will have this report, they will have proportionally more
representation at the at the state level. Even so, this, uh,
this movement is much better organized than deeper in every
county in the in the state. So and as the
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volut Nathan Bernard's piece is at drop site is really
worth reading. A lot of the volunteers were saying very
quickly like this is heartbreaking to us and we feel betrayed, but.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's not about one person. Now.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
He was a kind of uniquely kind of gifted political talent,
also obviously uniquely flawed, But they were saying, it's not
about one person. All of us can still push forward.
And there's a lot of disillusionment among the kind of
progressive populist world now. But the same structural forces that
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have produced. All of the anger that has been channeled
into this movement exists today as they existed last week. Certainly,
immense damage has been done, but the structural the structural
problems that are produced by the oligarchy that created this
movement are still there and they're not going away. And
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so that's why I do think actually they have the
organizing capacity and.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
The drive and the will.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
To by the end of July have have put another
populist up, which will be interesting to see how the
establishment responds, because they've been saying nobody who has had
anything to do with Platner should ever be anywhere near
anything ever again, and that's okay for you to say,
but there are still we're still somewhat of a democracy,
(43:21):
so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Let's put this last thing I just sent this guy's
is a new poll actually that was fielded by Platner's
team on Tuesday, gauging the strength of the people who
could replace him on the ballot.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So their internal poll.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
This is very small sample size because a snap pole
is seven hundred and eighty five voters. They found Troy
Jackson at forty nine forty four, Susan Collins versus Graham
Plattner would have been forty seven forty two, so Graham
under five points to Susan Collins. In his own poll,
Susan Collins and Janet Mills would have been forty eight
thirty seven. Susan Collins and Jordan Wood would have been
(43:53):
forty seven and thirty eight. Bellows and Shah, they said
both essentially tied Collins at forty seven and forty five
percent respectively.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
There's going to be a huge margin of error, and
you know you should take that before before everything. No, no,
this was this was snaphole. So this was I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
It's before negative ads, right before a good point hundreds
of millions of dollars spen.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And that's part of the thing too, where you just
don't know. I mean, platinm was a known entity. So
whoever does replace him, this is not necessarily a horrible thing,
but you're gonna need, like, I mean, tens of millions
to tell the state who you are. The NRSC, I
could guarantee you they're on a high. They haven't been
in quite some time. They thought she was dead in
this race, and now they're going to fundraise dramatically and
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they're negative ads. Whoever decides they're going to run, they
will be hit with a negative ad the day that
they get announced, and then it's just going to be
blanket the entire state. So look, it's going to be
a wave year. Platiner was still only down five in
the absolute worst of it. I think he's still could
have won personally if he staid and fought. I actually
really think he could have won by maybe one or
two points. But you know, it would have been a harder,
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but I think so.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
But he decided to drop out.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
So now it's just a big question I think about
who's going to be able to replace him, and if
the process doesn't play out for the activists and the
way that they want, do they show up in November,
you know, or are they going to say screw you.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I'm just you know, politics has done for me.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
If they feel screwed, right, that could definitely hurt him
in November. I think one final thought is like a
meta thought here in this this show and also independent
media kind of allows us to do this more honest
kind of coverage and frankly just to let people in
(45:39):
on it, like personally and professionally, it's not fun.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
No, I'd actually rather not.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Do it, and if you are at a kind of
corporate media outlet, you kind of just don't do it. Yeah,
and you're actually okay with that, you like, I can't
do it.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Like so.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
In twenty twenty, Alex Morse's Democratic candidate arm Abraham running
in western Massachusetts got accused of all sorts of stuff
and I said, where's the evidence for this? I was
getting called a creep or a rape apologist all and
then over time it turned out, and we did the
reporting on this, that it was a actual coordinated smear
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campaign that was fabricated by people who wanted jobs in
the other guy's office, and the guy's entire reputational safety
still ended up losing. Is this damaging stuff? He's now
a Provincetown may not mayor what do you call it?
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Town manager?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Best job, best job in the world for him. In
twenty twenty one, Scott Stringer was running for mayor and
faced some really complicated and odd allegations which are now
still playing out in court. We were the only ones
that did any reporting on what are the actual allegations here?
And it's not because we want to do that, it's
(46:56):
that because structurally we can there's an obligation to do it,
like because if we can do it, and we know
that there are facts out there that aren't being included
in the in the public discussion, even if it's difficult
to put those forward. If we don't do it, then
what are we doing with the space that has been
created for us by this independent audience? I agree, we
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would just be coasting on it and cynically just cashing checks.
So if you're not doing the hard thing, you're not
You're you're not living up.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
To your obligation, and you have to. That's a thank
you to the people who make this possible.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
And you have to see and look, I mean, I
don't know, this isn't this isn't about us, but we
can see. How how many dms do we get from
people in the mainstream media or like thank you for.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Doing it, yes, thank you for doing that. Yes, but
they can't do it like all day, all day yesterday. Yes,
people reaching out here like.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Good story, great story, you're totally right, but you know,
guess what they're working for, A big corporation Columbia Journalism Review.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I mean, look what happened.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I just told you, Meek a present multi millionaire hostman MSNBC,
daughter of a daughter of Heitan, Titan of the American
as as you can get in the and she's getting
hit for being semi skeptical about a me too allegation
to a reporter, not even to a victim, all right,
and so for just.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
The general principle of very serious allegations requires require serious screens.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
And you know again, you know all the people at Politico,
these reporters, they're being failed as heroes.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Maybe they are.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
I don't know, you guys can decide. Jake Tappernal, Oh
my god, what a great interview. Everything is all praise.
So if you you know, if you don't swim in
that current and you swim against it, the hatred that
you engender in them, you put your literal livelihood at risk.
And so it's easier to just stay silent.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
But they do, they do know how to scrutinize allegations.
When Tara Reid came forward with one on the rest, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Or yeah right, if anybody who is inconvenient to the system,
then they definitely know how to scrutinize a victim or
they know how or with Christine Christine Bosi for oh,
she's the greatest truth teller in history, even.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
Though I'm like or on the right, she's the biggest
liar in here or the biggest lion.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
All the same people who are saying, no, that's driving me. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
These guys who you know, called the hag Seth accuser,
like basically a liar, you know who are all like, oh,
this what a brave vicar. I'm like, well, which is it, guys,
you know it's one or the other. I'm I'm I'm consistent,
like I'm basically I'm like I basically at this point
in this day and age, if it's a racism allegation
or a rape allegation, I'm like, you got to prove
(49:35):
it to me first.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
Okay, Well, so people are like, what about it? What
if it's somebody you don't agree with. We scrutinized the
heg Seth allegation in a very serious way. I think
heg Seth belongs in prison for war crimes. I think
he's a despicable human being. But we scrutinize that allegation
because that's what you do with serious, exactly allegations
Speaker 3 (49:53):
And that's how you maintain a little bit of credibility,
so anyway we'll get off of our soap boxes.
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