November 11, 2025 • 45 mins
Is ‘Selling Sunset’ selling more lies than listings? Sofia Vergara’s sister Sandra joins Jess and Camilla to spill what’s real and what’s reality-TV fiction.
She dishes on the “crafted” chaos, “directed” drama, and her so-called friendship with Chrishell.
Plus, Sandra explains the truth behind the Friendsgiving blow-up, why Nicole was fired and whether she’ll be back on Sunset Boulevard next season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Ludington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, Hello, hello, Hello, Hello, call the crew,
and welcome to another episode of Call It What It
(00:21):
Is with our very special guest, sand.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
A girl from Selling Sunset.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hot off on a scale of one to Camilla, how
excited are you?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Twenty five? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
So amazing? Well, guess what? Can you believe this? This
is crazy?
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Camillia and Camilla and I share the same manager. We
have the same manager with Racy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes, Tracy. Shout out to Tracy.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Shout out to Tracy. Which is almost annoying because I
feel like, why hasn't she given us?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
But I have us together, I know. And I told
her yesterday and she was like, you're gonna see Camilla.
No way, no way, Oh my god, no way. And
I'm like too, so excited. She's great. We love Tray.
Tracy is such a manager.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
She's incredible. I can't believe she hasn't had dinner the
three of us. I can really dig in.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, we better pull a lounge at Tracy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, okay, to organize it. I'm so excited. This season
of Selling Sunset was your first reality show that you've
ever been on ever? Do you have regrets yet?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh, good for you, because it's still going.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
You're still filming.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
No, we're done none yea for the season.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, they're done for the season. And the reunion just aired.
So I binged it quickly before I got here to
get all the information, and of course I came. It's
funny because we get prepped before we do an episode, right,
and we we kind of like Jessica, did I not
have a new list of questions?
Speaker 7 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
She took it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
From all of it, from all of it.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
She had follow up questions.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I follow epis that was eight hours? What better reunion?
Lesson eight up?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, So I have a question of the reunion.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We know, should we start like before the reunion or like.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You no, no, no, I want I just have a
I need to know the timeline, so we know that
this this season filmed a long time ago, because you
guys are having friends giving at some point.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, we finished in March.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
When did the reunion happen?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
August?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
August? Okay, So this is very interesting to me because
now the show's out and I feel like if the
reunion happened. Now it might go down a little differently,
you think so, I.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Think so because if well, why differently?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, I'm gonna can I dive in. I'm just I'm
diving Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'm gonna keep problem.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I want to know your opinions on a bunch just okay,
of course, because your first reality show, By the way,
I can't believe your first reality show is Selling Sunset
because this is this season was rough.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I know, but the first entertainment journal is was like
People Magazine, West Coast correspondent.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I get really like big first first.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, that is big. You're interviewing everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I know, I interviewed everybody. Like my first interview ever
was shunning a Twain and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh my god, that's wow. Were you nervous the first
day shooting Selling Sunset?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know what, a little bit, but not like a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So I was going through a really hard breakup, like
by heart, I mean my heart was shattered. So I
meant to meet with Netflix because I wanted to do
they They said you'd be great for their live events,
and so I met with them coincidentially. At the time
of the breakup, I had some friends and family that
are in real estate saying you need to get into
(03:38):
real estate. Like it's like, so good for you, and
I was just you know, so coincidentially, I meet with
Netflix and then they say, we want you to meet
with Donna Nun which is the production company for selling Sunset,
and I'm like that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So when I met with them and they're like, oh
my god, like you would be perfect, and I'm like, yeah,
I was going to start the I was forgetting my license, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So I was like, okay, I guess I'm doing it. Yeah,
I'm doing this on selling songs that So it was
such a challenge.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So I chose to do it because I needed to
get out of like the emotional emotional bottom that I
was in.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So it was a good traction and a good like
like right term exactly. Did you have to meet the
twins first?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes? Of course, oh okay, And he was lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
He was in who did you meet first? Jason?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Jason?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I met with him and he's like, yeah, you're great.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
You know, did they Here's what happens, right guys, the
way they did it, the way the way I see it,
Like that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Show there's a big competition in that show. Yeah bye
bye big I mean women, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So they see me somebody fresh knew, who chance to learn,
so they thought, okay, this is kinna freshen up the
Nicole drama add some like likeness.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
To the situation.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
And I also did some counseling and stuff, so like
she can mediate and like you know, be the voice
of reason.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So it wasn't like it was It was more like,
it's cool that.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
They didn't that they gave me an opportunity because of
they saw my potential and I got my liveness right
after we started we finished filming, but also because that
was already so maddening and yeah, there's so much like
ego in that moment. So I come in and like,
you know, the producers like they create, like they create
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sort of like scenarios.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Scenes right, like so it's you're like you're gonna meet
for lunch here when you're talking exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
But they also they also like seer pods, they like
tell you things that you should ask when you're new,
and like all that. But everything was like feed you,
they feed you. But then I caught I caught it
pretty quick, and I'm like mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But I have beautiful is the feeding is the feeding
with the purpose of getting you to stir the pot,
like to start the most.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Part or like to get Yeah, for the most part,
that's what they want. Naughty, Yeah, they want naughty, they
want naughty. But yeah, I had the most amazing like
real estate scenes and like one on one like logical conversations.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That they not make the cut. Yeah, yeah, well you're screwed.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Like when you see it, you're like, all right, like
why were they eddied? You ask that's who you'll be,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
It's not by want people to know. It's not a documentary.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah show.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah that, but that goes back to what Camilla asked.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think it's such a good question, which is that
what you were not nervous, you said when you started.
But that would make me nervous. It would make me
nervous to think they were gonna cut together whatever that.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I never thought about that until I didn't think that, No,
will it?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Will you go into next set? I never feeling.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Differently, never burying my life.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Did you binge the show before you got on there?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
No? At first, no, because I wanted to have my
own opinions. Oh oh, and then after a few episodes,
I watched from five.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To to eight.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, who we wish you had you wish? Yes,
I want to know that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Did I wish Drew Haver? What watched it?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Did you wish you had watched it before you started?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No? No, because I watched it like promptly after.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Okay, I started. Okay, okay, so I let's dig in
because okay, So Krishaw's getting a lot of shit this season.
And this is why I do think the reunion would
have been a little bit different, because people are saying
that she is the mean girl of the season, and
she is the bully of the season. And very early
on when you came on, she made an accusation or
(07:45):
repeded an accusation about.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You, which she backtracked on Variety.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And yeah, so she backtracked after the show aired, right,
I have to tell I'm gonna come with my own
opinions on this. I thought it was a little like
she's the whole season, she's been very frustrated with people
repeating rumors that were not true, and I thought it
was kind of interesting that she repeated that repeated something
(08:12):
that wasn't the person who.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stole from her and for what? What did I ever
do to her? Nothing?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I thought it was bizarre. I also thought it was
weird the way like she showed you her phone and.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
First she's saying, I have nothing against you. I'd be
nothing but nice. Yes. She also said in an article
that she took me to lunch. I never had lunch
with that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Lady ever, so ever crazy like, I never had.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Lunch with her.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
The only seat I had with her one on one
was the producers for the show, and it was dinner at.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
The fair month.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's so weird.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So I don't know why she You know, she has
all the right to not like me, but like say
the reasons, don't like make up all these things.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And then afterwards she called.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Me a fake realtor. Recently she's like, okay, so the
car thing, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Not no longer viable? Yes now it's like what else?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And a scene that happened with Seen with Twinos one
that day that was so crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
She also threatened me and that didn't make the show.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But she's like yeah, and I'm like, do you have
anything else you want to talk about? And she's like,
maybe I'll save that and so I'm like horrified, telling
Amanza and Mary be Goes, they're my friends, what happened?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Like, you know these lady, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So that's what I think. That's a little I think
this is why this is the season's confusing to me
because I really like Richelle when she was first on
the show. I really like the first few seasons with her,
and then I do feel like she's sort of acting or.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Maneuvering coming and forget about me what she's done to
her own friend, Emma, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So, for those that don't know, Emma and Chrishelle have
been best friends for a few seasons now, very very tight,
and now Emma has a boyfriend that Krishelle is not
a fan, not clear and.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Listen, And that's okay that there's nothing wrong with that.
But if she's your best friend, you don't expose.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Her on a reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So now, so what krish What did she do was
take his Instagram or TikTok posts and then she put
them up on her.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Own right before the reunion?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Oh did she.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's the time?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh so right before the reunion she put them up?
And what do you think the intention there was? Because
she claims like, I wasn't I wasn't trying to.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hurt you know, the intention was clear to me.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It's that she knew that the reunion wasn't going to
be a good look for her.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
By how she you know, damaged control her friend.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yes, and so she pre like she used the same
you know, like the cards that work for her and
right before the reunion to have some sort of like
damage control.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I believe so. But Emma is over it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
She Emma, I'm friends with her, Yes, she said nothing
bad about her to the media, nothing on social media.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So she it's like a one fight, like one yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
She's like to stop one sided fight.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah. All Emma is like why doesn't she says.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
It's like, why doesn't she just stop?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
She's done nothing to her.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Where do they stand in this moment today, because we
saw them from August zero, that's over. Do you think
Chrishelle will be back next season?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I have no clue.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Do you think she should be back?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I have no clue, Like literally, I have.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No Do you feel like she should be back?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I don't know how because well, nobody in the office
is friends with her except Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So it's it's it'll be weird, okay.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
But does that make for a good show.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It depends.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I don't know. It's it's too much though, like give.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I mean, I think about Christine back in the day.
Nobody like Christine. She ended up leaving the show, So
this is a tricky situation. I would love to see
them be friends again.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
But just listen, guys, I have nothing against Crouchelle, never did.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I never had.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
A problem with Yeah, I noticed that she was making
strange faces at me when I talk. And all I
did was, hey, yo, I do this with anybody, and
I do it for the.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Purpose of like if I offend you, I want to
clean my set out of the street. Sure, it's I
want to own it.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Like maybe I said something and she didn't like I want,
you know, I want to have a good energy overall.
So that's all I asked her, and she blew up
and brought the phone and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So like that was to me. No, that turned me
off completely, you know, that's it. But before that, nothing, like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Did you ever find out what the thing was that
she was kind of holding over your head?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Oh, that's I mean, that's uncomfortable to say to somebody else.
I'm saving thing on something basically.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh god, that just creates so much anxiety.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And they don't they don't put it on the show.
And then they put on the show me telling a
manzam Mary, and they're saying that I'm lying because on.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That scene, Oh they cut that piece. You were there?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh wow, Okay, did you watch Friends Giving?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, so what happened? Okay?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So I watched?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Okay, So we're going to explain to the audience what happened.
If you haven't gotten to this episode yet, just go
watch it right now. But if you want to be
spoilt it, this is what happened Amanza through a friend's thanksgiving.
That was the friend's thanksgiving from hell to be honest, right,
And they all had to go around the table and
say something that they were thankful for and Nicole. I
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feel like it started because Nicole opened a card that
said she was thankful for her eyesight. And then I
have to say as an audience member, and it's gonna
be different to you, and I think, but I think
a lot of people felt this way on social media
as soon as that happened and Krishelle opened that envelope,
it was already this, right, Like there was already like
a mean girl and already going on, and I could
(14:15):
tell that someone like Nicole, like it would make me
feel uncomfortable. Yes, and then it escalated to once again
the drug at allegations, right, yes, and then Nicole gave
her the low blow off. I think you're confusing me
with your parents because she thinks she's projecting. What did
you think of that moment when you watched it?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think that everything would have been great. Has she
not said that last part? Yeah, because it's such a
sensitive topic. Yeah, Rachelle clearly talks about it in every season.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, so as.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
A veteran of that show, Nicole, you could have not
just said that and she would have won. Yes, I
think that's what happened. And I think that you. I
don't think that she got fired just because of that.
She got fired because the season prior she said that
Emma was having an affair with a married man and
that was completely untrue. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yes. I think this is what's interesting to me as
a viewer. Though there's a lot of mudslinging and repeating
of rumors, like it doesn't look good to repeat a
(15:37):
rumor that you took a key to someone's car.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Or that you doing like calling somebody a drug out
of here?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, and odan, And I feel like what makes one
thing better than the other? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It doesn't honestly, So it's unfair.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I see why it's unfair for people to say like
that was unfair for her to.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Be Yeah, because I feel like if you're gonna be
someone about, like you know, repeating something that then isn't true,
that's it just happened to you too, So like where
does it end? Where do you draw the line?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah? I feel I feel the same.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The audience has had a really interesting reaction to it because.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
He's getting heat, like the guys.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
People all over. So I did my digging to bring
what she does? Love you? Yes? Yes, And they think.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
That you do not know that. Do you look at socials?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Oh my god, no no, no, of course I look
at social I don't look at TikTok.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But I look at my comments because I love on
your I.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Love answering comments because comedian, well I'm a comedian, so
I take up they take the place at some of them.
It's but today my favorite guys, can I tell you
yes on my picture on my photo.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Is the TM version of Sophia Vergara.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Wait say tea mobile? Oh she said, she's you don't
know what team you is? I know what it is.
It's like that she it's like basically saying like the
Walmart version of something of Sophia Gagara. Well, that's not nice.
(17:16):
I don't agree with that comment, but I mean less.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
If you won't find it larious, you have to know
what it is.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Okay, It's it's like, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You have to laugh off some of the comments. It's
usually if you're on a reality show, it's going to
be rough out there.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's terrible. But I have a lot of love.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I get a lot you do, thank God. So I
did the digging for you. Can I talk about Okay,
So I don the digging for you? And I'm going
to repeat back. This is not necessarily how I feel,
but I'm gonna repeat back. A big consensus of the
show right now, especially Friends Giving, a lot of people
felt like Krishelle was already hitting so low below the
(17:57):
belt anyway and just over and over again that can
you really be shocked when someone hits lower? Like, is
it really that shocking? If you're like jabbing jabbing, jabbing
jabbing low blow is saying you idea and then someone
hits back lower. That's just it's not necessarily my opinion.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
My opinion is I also whereh she hadn't said it
because she would have won the argument exactly like you.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's the thing, because she dropped something that it's so sensitive.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because then all the focus became on that and all
of this sort of went away.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And when I've been seeing life, like yes, when you're
having a crazy argument with someone on the person's being
horrible to you, if you snap, you lost, you lose it.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's true, man, Yes, it is true. She could have won,
but then.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
She had to just she could have said anything else,
but don't don't mess with the parents, like just don't
involve the persons.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Say something about Krishelle, yes, or like say something like
call her.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know, but I do have to say, Okay,
Chrishelle called her cancer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
By the way, that was horrible.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I actually think that like that in some ways, that's worse.
It's worse. Like to me, it's like I can't if
someone described me that way, it would like take me
out By.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
The way, I asked like the theme about the situation earlier,
because I was like, I was kind of hearing on
social media like Nicole was getting backed up. Yeah, and
I was told that it wasn't just that it was
at accumulation of fur things, that that's why she got fired.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, it's a little confused. I think it's confusing. I
think that the if the see if it comes back
next season, which I'm sure it will because it's you know,
the show is so popular. I think that Jason the
Twins need to explain exactly why, because if the reason
is that you set a low blow during the fight
and everyone hates you, well everyone the whole office should
(19:56):
be gone because everyone's always fighting and saying crazy things,
not you. But I've seen a lot over the years,
and a lot of people have stayed right, So I
think it's a little I think people feel like she
should not have been fired.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Maybe she'll come back. I guessville.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't listen. Maybe there's the Oppenheimer group in Nashville
and she'll be there.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Obviously I do not know, because that's an insight thing.
I do trust Jason, okay, and he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So maybe he has knowledge that we don't.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Just won't exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Jason's just not going to fire someone out of favoritism
and all that.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's not especially not an og like Nicole.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, Jason, that was hard for them, Like that has
to be something that you know that it was very
tough for them to make that decision.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I don't think they took it like lightly.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I think it was more of a liability having.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I guess, you know, it's just that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We're just focusing on that moment. But I guess it
was something that between them that kept happening. I like Nicole,
I met her after I never shot with her, and
she's very nice. Yeah, but the other day I saw her,
I think, saying something all Mary's reaction or something, and
I was like, that's your friend.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah. I think I think that there's a lot of
bad blood. Yes, okay, let's talk. Well, I want to know,
let's end on this on this part. Did anybody has
anybody called Krishelle out for calling someone? I believe that
she said she like she's the human like personal cancer. Yeah,
something like that. Yeah, Okay, I'm surprised it hasn't been
(21:40):
touched on because it was quite an intense comment. Maybe
she regrets it. I'd be interested to know. Mary had
some drama this season.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, she went through a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
What is your opinion on the drama there?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
A lot wasn't shown.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh really, a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Context was lost.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
So Mary looks a little bit like she was overreacting,
but a lot wasn't shown, which is kind of unfair.
And she got robbed, Yes, all of her family heirlooms
were taking from them. And yeah, and it was you know,
it was very It was already at the fire and
the fast when the fire, so.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Somebody took advantage of the evacuation. Yes, so it was
a lot for her.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
And then she was with Brie and she got flowers
from Chelsea and she basically just thought it was, uh,
it wasn't genuine because why send them all their shooting?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So I think Chelsea's response was she didn't know that
they were going to when they were going to be sent.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I think she didn't because okay, they if there's I mean,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know knowing all of them. Do you think intentionally the
flowers were sent to be seen on camera?
Speaker 8 (22:55):
For sure? Okay, for sure?
Speaker 5 (22:58):
All right, but it's a reality to show. Yeah, I
see both sides.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, Chelsea, that could have been an olive brunch.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, but Mary.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Didn't take it because you would have rather gotten a
message private before, like just a big like you know,
just flowers like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
But Mary is the nicest human being?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Is she frustrated that things have not been shown on
the show? And then what do you do in that situation?
Do you pop on social media and explain you're trying
to explain yourself, okay exactly.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Seems like that would be the only way that you
could the only way.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, I was wondering, like if they're contracted to maybe
not say so, then well I don't think so, because
a lot of people are on social.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Talking about no.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No, it's Look, it's like the drama is real, man,
is it? What you're watching is real?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It feels it doesn't dramas real, but.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
It changes, it flocks weight, what's not what's not in,
what's not right?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's the order of events or the scenes.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It's crazy, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
It's like how they plated it is very manipulated.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Wow, very manipulating.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
And Camila is in she's sitting on that cash.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But it's real. It's manipulated, but it's real.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But it's whatever they want to show, so you have
no control over how you want to be. See.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So you hear in reality TV that you get the
villain edit every season. Do you like not? You know,
they pick one person and kind of make them the villain.
Do you feel like Chrishelle got a villain edit this
season because people are feeling that way on social media?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
She's the villain?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, that's my nation to you. Wow, I love it.
She just was no. I mean, I I understand there
were some there were I think the Emma thing is
very confusing. I understand not liking the boyfriend, but I
think it's confusing. I think the way it's sort of
shaken out is very hurtful to the friendship.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Like she's the star of the show, she's gorgeous, has
a happy, seemingly happy relationship.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I do all that. Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Maybe you know, I don't know what's going on in
her personal life, but like be happy.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Happy. People don't do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
When you were in moments where you felt like the
drama was super intense and you walked away at the
end of the night, are you just like I often
think like oh my god, I'd spend the rest of
the night just crying into a bottle.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
No, I had a panic attack once you did Malibu
that scene when she started saying because they caught out
more stuff that she started saying, me for a bunch
of things baut the show. She's telling me that, how
dare I tell Emma to somebody to tell her later
when I'm explaining something. And I made a joke like
(25:46):
somebody will tell her later in the office, yes, and
all these things, and then she said the car thing
and then she said like and.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You're like, you know, it was very demeaning and out
of nowhere. And the producer set me up. Of course, yeah,
they told me that I was just going to look
at a house.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Of course, No, that's never how it works.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's never how it works, and so but it's it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And so you walked away from that.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I left and when I was driving my way, first
of all, I told them I quit.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I don't need this.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I created like I snapped, yeah, And in the car,
I'm like freaking out, and I sending voice and knowes
like how.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Do you sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then you know, and then I calmed down.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Have you received an apology from her for the accusations
against you? No, that that face tells me no. People.
I guess my question is is like, how do you
go back to work the next day knowing that producers
may not always be on your side or trying to
get a rise out of you or put you in
the middle of drama that is unexpected.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Look, you just how do you do it? You? You
let it go.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Because if you're controlling it, then you're gonna be all
stiff and not say anything and they're gonna be like,
get out.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Of this show. We don't need. Yeah, but just you
find with a lot of discernment, you gotta use discernment. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Oh and it's like you know, it's it's the fine
dance of like giving some but not not too much.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, are you like auto editing?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
You're like in your head like you're you're you're showing
up enough to say that the thing that is definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
You are exactly you're not having verbal diarrhea.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
But don't go too far.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What about drinking? Do you limit yourself to like I'll
go and oh you are okay, So you're not gonna
be in any drunk fights never because when alcohol gets involved,
that's when it starts to ran.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I'm so I'm a sober counselor.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Actually, Oh that's incredible. Yeah, that's amazing, Jack of Ult,
you're a dragon should have a poet. Who do you
feel closest to on the show?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I think Mary? Okay, wait, Brie, Bri and Mary? I
really actually no, no, no, no, no, we would Alana
and I are closed.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Oh really it's Alana, Mary Brie Okay, would you treat
marm to keep one of your secrets next season?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I love that?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Trust them really, I trust them for.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't know if I would trust anyone on the
reality show with secrets.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I don't know. I trust them, I trust I trust them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think that Mary definitely is a I think she's
kind of a vault because I.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Trust Mary for sure, and Alana. Elana wouldn't. Alana's not gonna. Yeah,
she's not a She's not somebody that's like she.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Means well, yeah, I think yes, so.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Alana probably will. I trust her and I trust Mary
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
If you were to start shooting the next season, I
mean it's very heated right now. I can't imagine I
didn't look at social media this morning because I watched
the reunion and I don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It was insane.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
It was insane then got it? God edited that was
that was.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Crazy, crazier than what aired ten billion times.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It got really bad. I like I was like fighting, like.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
No no, but like no, no, no, no, no, no, screaming, screaming,
and like the kind of.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Information that was. Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It was crazy, Like people could be sued for slander,
which is why it did not make the com Yeah,
they're like, we don't want a lawsuit, dude.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
It was hysterical, but also insanity.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Insanity.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I was saying that people take things knowing that you're
on a reality show and knowing that probably everyone's coming
into it, not with the same exact mindset, but similar
Like you know what you signed up for.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Do you think that that you take things left personally?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Mmmm, well you have to.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yeah, the people know that within like the castmates or
like in general.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, I think I'm I'm imagining that you that some
people feel like they have to say something crazy because
that's the environment you're in, Like, it's the only here.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
The job. I don't need that.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Yeah, No, I'm like, I'm very natural, Like if I
want to say something, I say it.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I don't want to say it. I'm not going to
say it, but I don't need to be able to Huh.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
What about the other people though, do you feel like some.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
People just are very real?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Seriously, like Breeks pretty real, and I don't know about
other people.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think it's good when people don't beat around the
bush and breathe. Definitely someone me neither.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I don't like that beating her on the bush.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's also like, that's why it gets it gets messy, messy, agreed, messy.
If you guys, when would you potentially start filming next
season if you get picked up?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I think I see like January, Oh what my.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
God, which I cannot believe you guys, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I have no idea. No I know, but I have
no clue.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, I'm just picturing you guys all back in the
office together.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
That's what I'm saying, like TVD like massive on caps TVD.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Okay, so since the reunion, have who have you seen?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I've spoken on the phone with Brelana and Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And you guys actually in the office when you're not
filming because we all think that you're.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Not sometimes oh you are.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Okay, okay, good, okay. I figured, Yeah, what is one
misconception you would like to clear up about yourself?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Misconception? Did I steer a pot? That ship was a
set like that?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It was a gumbo mumbalaya already when I get it
got in, I steered no pots.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, there was no pot stirring. I think the pots
were ready for you already.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I came.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I came with the best you can excuse me because
I thought you were smoking the pots and I was like, no.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
No, no, I came to the best intentions to get
to know these people mediate with I could they edited
the parts where like Chelsea and I were having one
on one stuff and just they made it sort of
like a little shallow, which, yeah, look I can't control it.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
But I didn't steer any pot.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I was straight, honest, and uh, I definitely didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Did you didn't keep anyone's car? We really need to
clear that up. You don't know why that rumor even started.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
No, because I guess so.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
When I was driving my car with authanicked, I was
thinking about the license, right, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I don't remember because she showed you on her tiny
and in the moment.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I'm like, and I'm like, she's talking about Rachel, like
from Phillis Avenue. I used to live in Phillies in
twenty nineteen. I moved out twenty twenty something, and there's
my neighbor. There's a neighbor Rachel. So it's her, I suppose.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
But I thought these ladies an accountant or something. She
never left the house.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
You could not imagine her being Crucielle Staff's assistant. That's
not an like neighbor. Like, but I don't know her
last name really.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And you still don't know if it's that person.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I think it's her. No, no, no thinks because but all
and I have like on my phone with her.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
The only problem was, like, for example, I'm a die
hard Radiohead fan, and she was always like to stop
the Radiohead, stop replaying lead now because her walls were thinner.
But I didn't even play it loudly that you.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Think that she didn't like you as somebody came her
card though, and someone she.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Well, I guess she she used it because she knew
that was going to use it to have no idea.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Bonkers you guys, Yeah, it is just so. I thought
that scene was so wild. Okay, Chrishall told you to toughen up.
What does that look like if you go into.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Next season to tough en up?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Uh two.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Take zero things personal from really okay?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah pretty tough. Like that came left field, out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah yeah yeah. Maybe would you be more on your
toes more my toes?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mean, like more ready for like the unexpected? Oh
yeah yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I'm gonna be like if I do it, I will be.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Like I would be on in fight or flight mode
that entire season.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Can you imagine after that reality show Camela?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Can I imagine? No, because I have a I watched
her on the show and I have a panic attack
for her. Like when that phone came out and she
showed you the picture, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You have that moment. I had no idea who's that person.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
I've never keep a card, so you never think like,
oh no, wait, that neighbor. It's actually for her assistant,
who stole who lied?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Until like it's all nonsense.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Hes Sophia watched the show.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I don't know, but my nephew, her son, he convinced
me to do this. He did well, he's a massive
he loves selling somes that I told him about it,
I told nobody.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
He only told him. He say, I watched that show.
Just do it your real estate career.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And do you have any regrets right now? Right now,
like or looking back into the season, do you have
You're like, I wish that moment the last way.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I can't regret anything, because everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I also thought you had a great first season.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I think so. I mean, they edited a lot of
my fabulous parts.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But I thought that you appeared very level headed, and
I know that there's some funny and you're funny and
you're bold and you're honest.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
You not see the funny though. I'm a lot funnier
than that.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that you could tell that you're playful on
the show.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, but I'm actually hilarious.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, we need to see more house you left. I
know that is funny to say that, I got that's
my style of comedy.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
You see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, we need to see more of that, please, producers.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
No, I'm hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'm going to start a stand up called too hot
for stand up? Yeah do it?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, you can do it on Netflix stand up
you go exactly. Let's talk about the clothes on Selling Sunset.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
They're all mine man, nobody ship. Yeah, they're all. They
own everything, they own everything. All the clothes are the
cast Jessica.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
The amount of burkin these fly off the table.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
The yeah you get them?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
How do you get them?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't have a I don't I have no. They
have very rare burken very Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I mean their husbands and like they're they're.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They're not furkins. I don't think they're ferkins. I think
they look like I think they're real birkins. But I'm
I mean, I'm talking top to bottom these outfits that
like you're grabbing a sandwich at are and then when
they go and there are they going.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Hard for me? Because I'm not a rocker.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh, but I think we need that vibe.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
No, they didn't let me. They had to, didn't you
do well? Not really not my full style that I
had to match, sort of like that you did the
dresses and the high heels. Yeah, I couldn't go in
in like flats.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Jason would have been like, Okay, Okay, I had to
be t rexing all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, oh no, do you have a glam squad? Do
your hair makeup before you go?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I used to be a so I did my own makeup.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And is this you doing your own makeup right now?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, I mean so, yeah, you don't need that, thank god,
because I mean I don't know how because.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I could not have glam all the time. Where you
kidding me? No? I did my own glum.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm assuming the other girls don't.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And they have glam people.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Yeah, you're assuming they do get glam Oh no, they.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Do get lamb of course.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
But we get glammed only for the interviews, you know,
when you're.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
In the Oh really, we get hair and makeup when
we're talking, you know, when we're talking.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yes, the talking heads and they call.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It yeah in the interviews in the cubaicle, where yes,
she did this and that.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
But what about when you're like out to lunch if
you guys are going out to lunch.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
A lot of people out to lunch in that show.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
As everyone's out to lunch, are they getting full glam
going out to lunch?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you shoot in a season? How many do you think,
like total, I.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Don't know, like it because it changes every week how
many it depends. Sometimes you will have four or sometimes
you have two, sometimes you have three, sometimes you'll have one,
sometimes you have five, like a last change.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Game in mead season, Yes, you did.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Literally I got hired in the middle.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So that's why my episodes are that's in order, yeah, yeah,
that part.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
But the problem with coming in mid season is you
came in right when everything was already a ship show
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, and the vote fans take time, like you have
to wait till six episodes to watch me, And what
if they don't like the show and they get to
lose me?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh well, everyone, no one's losing your everyone's watching my show.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Because some people are like I stopped watching these on
the third episode after friends giving them.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
We're like, go to the sixth step ahead, Okay, we
want to know a little bit about how you unwind
after all this drama. Can you give.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
You do? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Religiously, but it's so your spirituality, very spiritually yeah yeah,
and I and how as spiritually hilarious and I and
I counsel people as well, so like I I think
that when you're of service to somebody else.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Everything gets better because you're not in your head. And like,
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And this is very self centered industry.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, and when you're out of self is when you
actually get peace and serenity. So I practice kabbala, I meditated, pray,
I help other people.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
And that's thank god. I went hard on.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Kabbala before doing this, so I was like, yeah, I'm
gonna need it, man.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, So it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
It's like it's just teach Kabala teaches you how to
react in a non reactive way.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
It's all about reactive versus reactive.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's what Mary needed.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
She's doing it now, Oh she is, she's doing it now,
she's like into it. I got her into a teacher.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Really well.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Mary was in a state of reactor because of what happened.
You know, a lot was edited out of context. We
made it seem more.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
But yes, everybody needs it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's because it's like it's all about getting on like
the window of tolerance.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
See. I actually think the show needs to show more
of this.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Thank you for showing it here.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Because there's no balance and to see this part of
your life would be like I would need it. Sometimes
I'm watching the episodes that I do need a break,
and if it do and it was like this, I
would be like, okay, great, I.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Agreed to do a thinking that was going to happen.
Oh really, we're gonna show more of that.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, well, hopefully they hear from people like us and
hear you're.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Talking and on my eye, yeah, yeah, you are hosting
this clip on the idea of you guys saying that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
God, no, I want to see more.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
They need it. That's my that's they convinced me like
that was a perspective.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh well, it didn't happen. We need more.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No, it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Before you go, because it's been incredible and you've given
us all the juice. I knew you were gonna tell
you what.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
I was on my way here to a podcast where
I did a podcast with a healer like this healer
that his name is Charlie Goldsmith has a booth called
Human Medicine. Pretty good check came out and I was
interviewing him. But on my way to the interview, I
found that my car in my home is freaking toad.
I'm flying to No. Yeah, I hate that. Now I
(42:31):
had to go to the place and get my card.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Okay, We're gonna let you go to the toe place
before before before you go sum up your I want
you to sum up your feelings on this season and
what you've really learned.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I learned that some people are meant to be friends
and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And I'm not talking about me and gry Show okay
at all.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
I'm talking about Chelsea Mary Mary like breing certain people
and yes, that's fine. Like I learned that by interacting
with individually with all of them, and that's okay. There
has to be some form where there's harmony, but there's
no need of like, you know, some difference are iroconcilable,
(43:19):
of course.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
And the other thing is that you gotta be prepaired. Yes,
you gotta be fair for everything, because anything.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
You're at a dinner with these people and the shoe
drops and then like all hell breaks loose and it's real,
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
For real.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's it's very stressful watching the seat and Jessica, you
have to catch up on the rest of the episodes
and finish it. It's it's bonkers. I don't want to
spoil the too much of the reunion for you. But
I mean, you guys really got into it. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
For coming, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
It's a nice pleasure.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
I learned so much.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I mean, that's why I mean, I do you know,
I don't I just playing catch the reality.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
Well I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I just I don't do the Camilla is so good
at the reality.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You do dancing with the Stars, that's your favorite us.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You did.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
That's it's great last night you did.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, I was watching this one. I guess I am. Yeah,
you gotta, you gotta, Yeah, you gotta pick.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Your reality reality.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
But Camilla is a big fan, and she was she's
You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I just came so pumped with all the questions.
God speed to you for next years. Congratulations on your
first season on reality. I think that you did an
incredible job on a very difficult show, a bunch of
women that are just so intimidating and uh and it's
(44:55):
stakes were high and emotions were Congratulations. I want to
see more of all and high.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yes, No, it wouldn't last a minute, like literally not
even thirty fives.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
No, you wouldn't last a minute. I wouldn't either. I'd
be hitting that la in two seconds and piecing out.
So you stuck around, good around.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
We'll see for you you are, you're taping hilarious.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Hey, guys, more will be revealed.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Let's doll you come wait for these podcasts to where
you two are badass.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I love it. Will you come back on if the
next season comes, I'll keep you. Oh my god, I'm
sort all right, Jessica. Let's call it. Let's call it
the end of the Epito
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Ludington,
an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, Hello, hello, Hello, Hello, call the crew,
and welcome to another episode of Call It What It
(00:21):
Is with our very special guest, sand.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
A girl from Selling Sunset.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hot off on a scale of one to Camilla, how
excited are you?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Twenty five? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
So amazing? Well, guess what? Can you believe this? This
is crazy?
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Camillia and Camilla and I share the same manager. We
have the same manager with Racy.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yes, Tracy. Shout out to Tracy.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Shout out to Tracy. Which is almost annoying because I
feel like, why hasn't she given us?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
But I have us together, I know. And I told
her yesterday and she was like, you're gonna see Camilla.
No way, no way, Oh my god, no way. And
I'm like too, so excited. She's great. We love Tray.
Tracy is such a manager.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
She's incredible. I can't believe she hasn't had dinner the
three of us. I can really dig in.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, we better pull a lounge at Tracy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, okay, to organize it. I'm so excited. This season
of Selling Sunset was your first reality show that you've
ever been on ever? Do you have regrets yet?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Oh, good for you, because it's still going.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
You're still filming.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
No, we're done none yea for the season.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, they're done for the season. And the reunion just aired.
So I binged it quickly before I got here to
get all the information, and of course I came. It's
funny because we get prepped before we do an episode, right,
and we we kind of like Jessica, did I not
have a new list of questions?
Speaker 7 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
She took it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
From all of it, from all of it.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
She had follow up questions.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I follow epis that was eight hours? What better reunion?
Lesson eight up?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, So I have a question of the reunion.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
We know, should we start like before the reunion or like.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You no, no, no, I want I just have a
I need to know the timeline, so we know that
this this season filmed a long time ago, because you
guys are having friends giving at some point.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, we finished in March.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
When did the reunion happen?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
August?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
August? Okay, So this is very interesting to me because
now the show's out and I feel like if the
reunion happened. Now it might go down a little differently,
you think so, I.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Think so because if well, why differently?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, I'm gonna can I dive in. I'm just I'm
diving Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'm gonna keep problem.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I want to know your opinions on a bunch just okay,
of course, because your first reality show, By the way,
I can't believe your first reality show is Selling Sunset
because this is this season was rough.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I know, but the first entertainment journal is was like
People Magazine, West Coast correspondent.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I get really like big first first.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, that is big. You're interviewing everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I know, I interviewed everybody. Like my first interview ever
was shunning a Twain and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Oh my god, that's wow. Were you nervous the first
day shooting Selling Sunset?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
You know what, a little bit, but not like a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So I was going through a really hard breakup, like
by heart, I mean my heart was shattered. So I
meant to meet with Netflix because I wanted to do
they They said you'd be great for their live events,
and so I met with them coincidentially. At the time
of the breakup, I had some friends and family that
are in real estate saying you need to get into
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real estate. Like it's like, so good for you, and
I was just you know, so coincidentially, I meet with
Netflix and then they say, we want you to meet
with Donna Nun which is the production company for selling Sunset,
and I'm like that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So when I met with them and they're like, oh
my god, like you would be perfect, and I'm like, yeah,
I was going to start the I was forgetting my license, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So I was like, okay, I guess I'm doing it. Yeah,
I'm doing this on selling songs that So it was
such a challenge.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So I chose to do it because I needed to
get out of like the emotional emotional bottom that I
was in.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So it was a good traction and a good like
like right term exactly. Did you have to meet the
twins first?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes? Of course, oh okay, And he was lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
He was in who did you meet first? Jason?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Jason?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I met with him and he's like, yeah, you're great.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
You know, did they Here's what happens, right guys, the
way they did it, the way the way I see it,
Like that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Show there's a big competition in that show. Yeah bye
bye big I mean women, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So they see me somebody fresh knew, who chance to learn,
so they thought, okay, this is kinna freshen up the
Nicole drama add some like likeness.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
To the situation.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
And I also did some counseling and stuff, so like
she can mediate and like you know, be the voice
of reason.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So it wasn't like it was It was more like,
it's cool that.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
They didn't that they gave me an opportunity because of
they saw my potential and I got my liveness right
after we started we finished filming, but also because that
was already so maddening and yeah, there's so much like
ego in that moment. So I come in and like,
you know, the producers like they create, like they create
(05:36):
sort of like scenarios.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Scenes right, like so it's you're like you're gonna meet
for lunch here when you're talking exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
But they also they also like seer pods, they like
tell you things that you should ask when you're new,
and like all that. But everything was like feed you,
they feed you. But then I caught I caught it
pretty quick, and I'm like mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But I have beautiful is the feeding is the feeding
with the purpose of getting you to stir the pot,
like to start the most.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Part or like to get Yeah, for the most part,
that's what they want. Naughty, Yeah, they want naughty, they
want naughty. But yeah, I had the most amazing like
real estate scenes and like one on one like logical conversations.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That they not make the cut. Yeah, yeah, well you're screwed.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Like when you see it, you're like, all right, like
why were they eddied? You ask that's who you'll be,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
It's not by want people to know. It's not a documentary.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah show.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah that, but that goes back to what Camilla asked.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think it's such a good question, which is that
what you were not nervous, you said when you started.
But that would make me nervous. It would make me
nervous to think they were gonna cut together whatever that.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I never thought about that until I didn't think that, No,
will it?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Will you go into next set? I never feeling.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Differently, never burying my life.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Did you binge the show before you got on there?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
No? At first, no, because I wanted to have my
own opinions. Oh oh, and then after a few episodes,
I watched from five.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To to eight.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, who we wish you had you wish? Yes,
I want to know that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Did I wish Drew Haver? What watched it?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Did you wish you had watched it before you started?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No? No, because I watched it like promptly after.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Okay, I started. Okay, okay, so I let's dig in
because okay, So Krishaw's getting a lot of shit this season.
And this is why I do think the reunion would
have been a little bit different, because people are saying
that she is the mean girl of the season, and
she is the bully of the season. And very early
on when you came on, she made an accusation or
(07:45):
repeded an accusation about.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You, which she backtracked on Variety.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And yeah, so she backtracked after the show aired, right,
I have to tell I'm gonna come with my own
opinions on this. I thought it was a little like
she's the whole season, she's been very frustrated with people
repeating rumors that were not true, and I thought it
was kind of interesting that she repeated that repeated something
(08:12):
that wasn't the person who.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stole from her and for what? What did I ever
do to her? Nothing?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I thought it was bizarre. I also thought it was
weird the way like she showed you her phone and.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
First she's saying, I have nothing against you. I'd be
nothing but nice. Yes. She also said in an article
that she took me to lunch. I never had lunch
with that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Lady ever, so ever crazy like, I never had.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Lunch with her.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
The only seat I had with her one on one
was the producers for the show, and it was dinner at.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
The fair month.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's so weird.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
So I don't know why she You know, she has
all the right to not like me, but like say
the reasons, don't like make up all these things.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And then afterwards she called.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Me a fake realtor. Recently she's like, okay, so the
car thing, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Not no longer viable? Yes now it's like what else?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And a scene that happened with Seen with Twinos one
that day that was so crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
She also threatened me and that didn't make the show.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But she's like yeah, and I'm like, do you have
anything else you want to talk about? And she's like,
maybe I'll save that and so I'm like horrified, telling
Amanza and Mary be Goes, they're my friends, what happened?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Like, you know these lady, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So that's what I think. That's a little I think
this is why this is the season's confusing to me
because I really like Richelle when she was first on
the show. I really like the first few seasons with her,
and then I do feel like she's sort of acting or.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Maneuvering coming and forget about me what she's done to
her own friend, Emma, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So, for those that don't know, Emma and Chrishelle have
been best friends for a few seasons now, very very tight,
and now Emma has a boyfriend that Krishelle is not
a fan, not clear and.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Listen, And that's okay that there's nothing wrong with that.
But if she's your best friend, you don't expose.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Her on a reality TV show.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So now, so what krish What did she do was
take his Instagram or TikTok posts and then she put
them up on her.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Own right before the reunion?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Oh did she.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's the time?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh so right before the reunion she put them up?
And what do you think the intention there was? Because
she claims like, I wasn't I wasn't trying to.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Hurt you know, the intention was clear to me.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It's that she knew that the reunion wasn't going to
be a good look for her.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
By how she you know, damaged control her friend.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yes, and so she pre like she used the same
you know, like the cards that work for her and
right before the reunion to have some sort of like
damage control.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I believe so. But Emma is over it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
She Emma, I'm friends with her, Yes, she said nothing
bad about her to the media, nothing on social media.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So she it's like a one fight, like one yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
She's like to stop one sided fight.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah. All Emma is like why doesn't she says.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
It's like, why doesn't she just stop?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
She's done nothing to her.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Where do they stand in this moment today, because we
saw them from August zero, that's over. Do you think
Chrishelle will be back next season?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I have no clue.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Do you think she should be back?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I have no clue, Like literally, I have.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No Do you feel like she should be back?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I don't know how because well, nobody in the office
is friends with her except Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So it's it's it'll be weird, okay.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
But does that make for a good show.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It depends.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I don't know. It's it's too much though, like give.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I mean, I think about Christine back in the day.
Nobody like Christine. She ended up leaving the show, So
this is a tricky situation. I would love to see
them be friends again.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
But just listen, guys, I have nothing against Crouchelle, never did.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I never had.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
A problem with Yeah, I noticed that she was making
strange faces at me when I talk. And all I
did was, hey, yo, I do this with anybody, and
I do it for the.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Purpose of like if I offend you, I want to
clean my set out of the street. Sure, it's I
want to own it.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Like maybe I said something and she didn't like I want,
you know, I want to have a good energy overall.
So that's all I asked her, and she blew up
and brought the phone and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So like that was to me. No, that turned me
off completely, you know, that's it. But before that, nothing, like.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Did you ever find out what the thing was that
she was kind of holding over your head?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Oh, that's I mean, that's uncomfortable to say to somebody else.
I'm saving thing on something basically.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh god, that just creates so much anxiety.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And they don't they don't put it on the show.
And then they put on the show me telling a
manzam Mary, and they're saying that I'm lying because on.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That scene, Oh they cut that piece. You were there?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh wow, Okay, did you watch Friends Giving?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, so what happened? Okay?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So I watched?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Okay, So we're going to explain to the audience what happened.
If you haven't gotten to this episode yet, just go
watch it right now. But if you want to be
spoilt it, this is what happened Amanza through a friend's thanksgiving.
That was the friend's thanksgiving from hell to be honest, right,
And they all had to go around the table and
say something that they were thankful for and Nicole. I
(13:53):
feel like it started because Nicole opened a card that
said she was thankful for her eyesight. And then I
have to say as an audience member, and it's gonna
be different to you, and I think, but I think
a lot of people felt this way on social media
as soon as that happened and Krishelle opened that envelope,
it was already this, right, Like there was already like
a mean girl and already going on, and I could
(14:15):
tell that someone like Nicole, like it would make me
feel uncomfortable. Yes, and then it escalated to once again
the drug at allegations, right, yes, and then Nicole gave
her the low blow off. I think you're confusing me
with your parents because she thinks she's projecting. What did
you think of that moment when you watched it?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think that everything would have been great. Has she
not said that last part? Yeah, because it's such a
sensitive topic. Yeah, Rachelle clearly talks about it in every season.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, so as.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
A veteran of that show, Nicole, you could have not
just said that and she would have won. Yes, I
think that's what happened. And I think that you. I
don't think that she got fired just because of that.
She got fired because the season prior she said that
Emma was having an affair with a married man and
that was completely untrue. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yes. I think this is what's interesting to me as
a viewer. Though there's a lot of mudslinging and repeating
of rumors, like it doesn't look good to repeat a
(15:37):
rumor that you took a key to someone's car.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Or that you doing like calling somebody a drug out
of here?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, and odan, And I feel like what makes one
thing better than the other? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It doesn't honestly, So it's unfair.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I see why it's unfair for people to say like
that was unfair for her to.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Be Yeah, because I feel like if you're gonna be
someone about, like you know, repeating something that then isn't true,
that's it just happened to you too, So like where
does it end? Where do you draw the line?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah? I feel I feel the same.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The audience has had a really interesting reaction to it because.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
He's getting heat, like the guys.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
People all over. So I did my digging to bring
what she does? Love you? Yes? Yes, And they think.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
That you do not know that. Do you look at socials?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Oh my god, no no, no, of course I look
at social I don't look at TikTok.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But I look at my comments because I love on
your I.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Love answering comments because comedian, well I'm a comedian, so
I take up they take the place at some of them.
It's but today my favorite guys, can I tell you
yes on my picture on my photo.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Is the TM version of Sophia Vergara.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Wait say tea mobile? Oh she said, she's you don't
know what team you is? I know what it is.
It's like that she it's like basically saying like the
Walmart version of something of Sophia Gagara. Well, that's not nice.
(17:16):
I don't agree with that comment, but I mean less.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
If you won't find it larious, you have to know
what it is.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Okay, It's it's like, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You have to laugh off some of the comments. It's
usually if you're on a reality show, it's going to
be rough out there.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's terrible. But I have a lot of love.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I get a lot you do, thank God. So I
did the digging for you. Can I talk about Okay,
So I don the digging for you? And I'm going
to repeat back. This is not necessarily how I feel,
but I'm gonna repeat back. A big consensus of the
show right now, especially Friends Giving, a lot of people
felt like Krishelle was already hitting so low below the
(17:57):
belt anyway and just over and over again that can
you really be shocked when someone hits lower? Like, is
it really that shocking? If you're like jabbing jabbing, jabbing
jabbing low blow is saying you idea and then someone
hits back lower. That's just it's not necessarily my opinion.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
My opinion is I also whereh she hadn't said it
because she would have won the argument exactly like you.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's the thing, because she dropped something that it's so sensitive.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because then all the focus became on that and all
of this sort of went away.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And when I've been seeing life, like yes, when you're
having a crazy argument with someone on the person's being
horrible to you, if you snap, you lost, you lose it.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
It's true, man, Yes, it is true. She could have won,
but then.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
She had to just she could have said anything else,
but don't don't mess with the parents, like just don't
involve the persons.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Say something about Krishelle, yes, or like say something like
call her.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know, but I do have to say, Okay,
Chrishelle called her cancer.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
By the way, that was horrible.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I actually think that like that in some ways, that's worse.
It's worse. Like to me, it's like I can't if
someone described me that way, it would like take me
out By.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
The way, I asked like the theme about the situation earlier,
because I was like, I was kind of hearing on
social media like Nicole was getting backed up. Yeah, and
I was told that it wasn't just that it was
at accumulation of fur things, that that's why she got fired.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, it's a little confused. I think it's confusing. I
think that the if the see if it comes back
next season, which I'm sure it will because it's you know,
the show is so popular. I think that Jason the
Twins need to explain exactly why, because if the reason
is that you set a low blow during the fight
and everyone hates you, well everyone the whole office should
(19:56):
be gone because everyone's always fighting and saying crazy things,
not you. But I've seen a lot over the years,
and a lot of people have stayed right, So I
think it's a little I think people feel like she
should not have been fired.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Maybe she'll come back. I guessville.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I don't listen. Maybe there's the Oppenheimer group in Nashville
and she'll be there.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Obviously I do not know, because that's an insight thing.
I do trust Jason, okay, and he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So maybe he has knowledge that we don't.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Just won't exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Jason's just not going to fire someone out of favoritism
and all that.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's not especially not an og like Nicole.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, Jason, that was hard for them, Like that has
to be something that you know that it was very
tough for them to make that decision.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I don't think they took it like lightly.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I think it was more of a liability having.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I guess, you know, it's just that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We're just focusing on that moment. But I guess it
was something that between them that kept happening. I like Nicole,
I met her after I never shot with her, and
she's very nice. Yeah, but the other day I saw her,
I think, saying something all Mary's reaction or something, and
I was like, that's your friend.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah. I think I think that there's a lot of
bad blood. Yes, okay, let's talk. Well, I want to know,
let's end on this on this part. Did anybody has
anybody called Krishelle out for calling someone? I believe that
she said she like she's the human like personal cancer. Yeah,
something like that. Yeah, Okay, I'm surprised it hasn't been
(21:40):
touched on because it was quite an intense comment. Maybe
she regrets it. I'd be interested to know. Mary had
some drama this season.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, she went through a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
What is your opinion on the drama there?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
A lot wasn't shown.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh really, a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Context was lost.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
So Mary looks a little bit like she was overreacting,
but a lot wasn't shown, which is kind of unfair.
And she got robbed, Yes, all of her family heirlooms
were taking from them. And yeah, and it was you know,
it was very It was already at the fire and
the fast when the fire, so.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Somebody took advantage of the evacuation. Yes, so it was
a lot for her.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
And then she was with Brie and she got flowers
from Chelsea and she basically just thought it was, uh,
it wasn't genuine because why send them all their shooting?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So I think Chelsea's response was she didn't know that
they were going to when they were going to be sent.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I think she didn't because okay, they if there's I mean,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know knowing all of them. Do you think intentionally the
flowers were sent to be seen on camera?
Speaker 8 (22:55):
For sure? Okay, for sure?
Speaker 5 (22:58):
All right, but it's a reality to show. Yeah, I
see both sides.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, Chelsea, that could have been an olive brunch.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, but Mary.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Didn't take it because you would have rather gotten a
message private before, like just a big like you know,
just flowers like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
But Mary is the nicest human being?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Is she frustrated that things have not been shown on
the show? And then what do you do in that situation?
Do you pop on social media and explain you're trying
to explain yourself, okay exactly.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Seems like that would be the only way that you
could the only way.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, I was wondering, like if they're contracted to maybe
not say so, then well I don't think so, because
a lot of people are on social.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Talking about no.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
No, it's Look, it's like the drama is real, man,
is it? What you're watching is real?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It feels it doesn't dramas real, but.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
It changes, it flocks weight, what's not what's not in,
what's not right?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's the order of events or the scenes.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
It's crazy, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
It's like how they plated it is very manipulated.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Wow, very manipulating.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
And Camila is in she's sitting on that cash.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But it's real. It's manipulated, but it's real.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But it's whatever they want to show, so you have
no control over how you want to be. See.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So you hear in reality TV that you get the
villain edit every season. Do you like not? You know,
they pick one person and kind of make them the villain.
Do you feel like Chrishelle got a villain edit this
season because people are feeling that way on social media?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
She's the villain?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, that's my nation to you. Wow, I love it.
She just was no. I mean, I I understand there
were some there were I think the Emma thing is
very confusing. I understand not liking the boyfriend, but I
think it's confusing. I think the way it's sort of
shaken out is very hurtful to the friendship.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Like she's the star of the show, she's gorgeous, has
a happy, seemingly happy relationship.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I do all that. Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Maybe you know, I don't know what's going on in
her personal life, but like be happy.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Happy. People don't do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
When you were in moments where you felt like the
drama was super intense and you walked away at the
end of the night, are you just like I often
think like oh my god, I'd spend the rest of
the night just crying into a bottle.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
No, I had a panic attack once you did Malibu
that scene when she started saying because they caught out
more stuff that she started saying, me for a bunch
of things baut the show. She's telling me that, how
dare I tell Emma to somebody to tell her later
when I'm explaining something. And I made a joke like
(25:46):
somebody will tell her later in the office, yes, and
all these things, and then she said the car thing
and then she said like and.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You're like, you know, it was very demeaning and out
of nowhere. And the producer set me up. Of course, yeah,
they told me that I was just going to look
at a house.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Of course, No, that's never how it works.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's never how it works, and so but it's it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And so you walked away from that.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I left and when I was driving my way, first
of all, I told them I quit.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
I don't need this.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I created like I snapped, yeah, And in the car,
I'm like freaking out, and I sending voice and knowes
like how.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Do you sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then you know, and then I calmed down.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Have you received an apology from her for the accusations
against you? No, that that face tells me no. People.
I guess my question is is like, how do you
go back to work the next day knowing that producers
may not always be on your side or trying to
get a rise out of you or put you in
the middle of drama that is unexpected.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Look, you just how do you do it? You? You
let it go.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Because if you're controlling it, then you're gonna be all
stiff and not say anything and they're gonna be like,
get out.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Of this show. We don't need. Yeah, but just you
find with a lot of discernment, you gotta use discernment. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Oh and it's like you know, it's it's the fine
dance of like giving some but not not too much.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, are you like auto editing?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
You're like in your head like you're you're you're showing
up enough to say that the thing that is definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
You are exactly you're not having verbal diarrhea.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
But don't go too far.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What about drinking? Do you limit yourself to like I'll
go and oh you are okay, So you're not gonna
be in any drunk fights never because when alcohol gets involved,
that's when it starts to ran.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I'm so I'm a sober counselor.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Actually, Oh that's incredible. Yeah, that's amazing, Jack of Ult,
you're a dragon should have a poet. Who do you
feel closest to on the show?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I think Mary? Okay, wait, Brie, Bri and Mary? I
really actually no, no, no, no, no, we would Alana
and I are closed.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Oh really it's Alana, Mary Brie Okay, would you treat
marm to keep one of your secrets next season?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I love that?
Speaker 8 (28:24):
Trust them really, I trust them for.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't know if I would trust anyone on the
reality show with secrets.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I don't know. I trust them, I trust I trust them.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think that Mary definitely is a I think she's
kind of a vault because I.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Trust Mary for sure, and Alana. Elana wouldn't. Alana's not gonna. Yeah,
she's not a She's not somebody that's like she.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Means well, yeah, I think yes, so.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Alana probably will. I trust her and I trust Mary
for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
If you were to start shooting the next season, I
mean it's very heated right now. I can't imagine I
didn't look at social media this morning because I watched
the reunion and I don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It was insane.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
It was insane then got it? God edited that was
that was.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Crazy, crazier than what aired ten billion times.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It got really bad. I like I was like fighting, like.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
No no, but like no, no, no, no, no, no, screaming, screaming,
and like the kind of.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Information that was. Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It was crazy, Like people could be sued for slander,
which is why it did not make the com Yeah,
they're like, we don't want a lawsuit, dude.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
It was hysterical, but also insanity.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Insanity.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I was saying that people take things knowing that you're
on a reality show and knowing that probably everyone's coming
into it, not with the same exact mindset, but similar
Like you know what you signed up for.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Do you think that that you take things left personally?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Mmmm, well you have to.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Yeah, the people know that within like the castmates or
like in general.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, I think I'm I'm imagining that you that some
people feel like they have to say something crazy because
that's the environment you're in, Like, it's the only here.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
The job. I don't need that.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Yeah, No, I'm like, I'm very natural, Like if I
want to say something, I say it.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I don't want to say it. I'm not going to
say it, but I don't need to be able to Huh.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
What about the other people though, do you feel like some.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
People just are very real?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Seriously, like Breeks pretty real, and I don't know about
other people.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think it's good when people don't beat around the
bush and breathe. Definitely someone me neither.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I don't like that beating her on the bush.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's also like, that's why it gets it gets messy, messy, agreed, messy.
If you guys, when would you potentially start filming next
season if you get picked up?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I think I see like January, Oh what my.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
God, which I cannot believe you guys, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I have no idea. No I know, but I have
no clue.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, I'm just picturing you guys all back in the
office together.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
That's what I'm saying, like TVD like massive on caps TVD.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Okay, so since the reunion, have who have you seen?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
I've spoken on the phone with Brelana and Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And you guys actually in the office when you're not
filming because we all think that you're.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Not sometimes oh you are.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Okay, okay, good, okay. I figured, Yeah, what is one
misconception you would like to clear up about yourself?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Misconception? Did I steer a pot? That ship was a
set like that?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It was a gumbo mumbalaya already when I get it
got in, I steered no pots.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, there was no pot stirring. I think the pots
were ready for you already.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I came.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I came with the best you can excuse me because
I thought you were smoking the pots and I was like, no.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
No, no, I came to the best intentions to get
to know these people mediate with I could they edited
the parts where like Chelsea and I were having one
on one stuff and just they made it sort of
like a little shallow, which, yeah, look I can't control it.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
But I didn't steer any pot.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
I was straight, honest, and uh, I definitely didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Did you didn't keep anyone's car? We really need to
clear that up. You don't know why that rumor even started.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
No, because I guess so.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
When I was driving my car with authanicked, I was
thinking about the license, right, Rachel.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I don't remember because she showed you on her tiny
and in the moment.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I'm like, and I'm like, she's talking about Rachel, like
from Phillis Avenue. I used to live in Phillies in
twenty nineteen. I moved out twenty twenty something, and there's
my neighbor. There's a neighbor Rachel. So it's her, I suppose.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
But I thought these ladies an accountant or something. She
never left the house.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
You could not imagine her being Crucielle Staff's assistant. That's
not an like neighbor. Like, but I don't know her
last name really.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And you still don't know if it's that person.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I think it's her. No, no, no thinks because but all
and I have like on my phone with her.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
The only problem was, like, for example, I'm a die
hard Radiohead fan, and she was always like to stop
the Radiohead, stop replaying lead now because her walls were thinner.
But I didn't even play it loudly that you.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Think that she didn't like you as somebody came her
card though, and someone she.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Well, I guess she she used it because she knew
that was going to use it to have no idea.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Bonkers you guys, Yeah, it is just so. I thought
that scene was so wild. Okay, Chrishall told you to toughen up.
What does that look like if you go into.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Next season to tough en up?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Uh two.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Take zero things personal from really okay?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah pretty tough. Like that came left field, out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah yeah yeah. Maybe would you be more on your
toes more my toes?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mean, like more ready for like the unexpected? Oh
yeah yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I'm gonna be like if I do it, I will be.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Like I would be on in fight or flight mode
that entire season.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Can you imagine after that reality show Camela?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Can I imagine? No, because I have a I watched
her on the show and I have a panic attack
for her. Like when that phone came out and she
showed you the picture, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You have that moment. I had no idea who's that person.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
I've never keep a card, so you never think like,
oh no, wait, that neighbor. It's actually for her assistant,
who stole who lied?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Until like it's all nonsense.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Hes Sophia watched the show.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I don't know, but my nephew, her son, he convinced
me to do this. He did well, he's a massive
he loves selling somes that I told him about it,
I told nobody.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
He only told him. He say, I watched that show.
Just do it your real estate career.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And do you have any regrets right now? Right now,
like or looking back into the season, do you have
You're like, I wish that moment the last way.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
I can't regret anything, because everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I also thought you had a great first season.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I think so. I mean, they edited a lot of
my fabulous parts.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But I thought that you appeared very level headed, and
I know that there's some funny and you're funny and
you're bold and you're honest.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
You not see the funny though. I'm a lot funnier
than that.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think that you could tell that you're playful on
the show.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, but I'm actually hilarious.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, we need to see more house you left. I
know that is funny to say that, I got that's
my style of comedy.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
You see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, we need to see more of that, please, producers.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
No, I'm hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'm going to start a stand up called too hot
for stand up? Yeah do it?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, you can do it on Netflix stand up
you go exactly. Let's talk about the clothes on Selling Sunset.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
They're all mine man, nobody ship. Yeah, they're all. They
own everything, they own everything. All the clothes are the
cast Jessica.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
The amount of burkin these fly off the table.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
The yeah you get them?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
How do you get them?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't have a I don't I have no. They
have very rare burken very Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I mean their husbands and like they're they're.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They're not furkins. I don't think they're ferkins. I think
they look like I think they're real birkins. But I'm
I mean, I'm talking top to bottom these outfits that
like you're grabbing a sandwich at are and then when
they go and there are they going.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Hard for me? Because I'm not a rocker.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh, but I think we need that vibe.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
No, they didn't let me. They had to, didn't you
do well? Not really not my full style that I
had to match, sort of like that you did the
dresses and the high heels. Yeah, I couldn't go in
in like flats.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Jason would have been like, Okay, Okay, I had to
be t rexing all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, oh no, do you have a glam squad? Do
your hair makeup before you go?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I used to be a so I did my own makeup.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And is this you doing your own makeup right now?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, I mean so, yeah, you don't need that, thank god,
because I mean I don't know how because.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
I could not have glam all the time. Where you
kidding me? No? I did my own glum.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm assuming the other girls don't.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And they have glam people.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Yeah, you're assuming they do get glam Oh no, they.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Do get lamb of course.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
But we get glammed only for the interviews, you know,
when you're.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
In the Oh really, we get hair and makeup when
we're talking, you know, when we're talking.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yes, the talking heads and they call.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It yeah in the interviews in the cubaicle, where yes,
she did this and that.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
But what about when you're like out to lunch if
you guys are going out to lunch.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
A lot of people out to lunch in that show.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
As everyone's out to lunch, are they getting full glam
going out to lunch?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you shoot in a season? How many do you think,
like total, I.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Don't know, like it because it changes every week how
many it depends. Sometimes you will have four or sometimes
you have two, sometimes you have three, sometimes you'll have one,
sometimes you have five, like a last change.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Game in mead season, Yes, you did.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Literally I got hired in the middle.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So that's why my episodes are that's in order, yeah, yeah,
that part.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
But the problem with coming in mid season is you
came in right when everything was already a ship show
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, and the vote fans take time, like you have
to wait till six episodes to watch me, And what
if they don't like the show and they get to
lose me?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh well, everyone, no one's losing your everyone's watching my show.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Because some people are like I stopped watching these on
the third episode after friends giving them.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
We're like, go to the sixth step ahead, Okay, we
want to know a little bit about how you unwind
after all this drama. Can you give.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
You do? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Religiously, but it's so your spirituality, very spiritually yeah yeah,
and I and how as spiritually hilarious and I and
I counsel people as well, so like I I think
that when you're of service to somebody else.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Everything gets better because you're not in your head. And like,
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And this is very self centered industry.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, and when you're out of self is when you
actually get peace and serenity. So I practice kabbala, I meditated, pray,
I help other people.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
And that's thank god. I went hard on.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Kabbala before doing this, so I was like, yeah, I'm
gonna need it, man.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, So it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
It's like it's just teach Kabala teaches you how to
react in a non reactive way.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
It's all about reactive versus reactive.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's what Mary needed.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
She's doing it now, Oh she is, she's doing it now,
she's like into it. I got her into a teacher.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Really well.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Mary was in a state of reactor because of what happened.
You know, a lot was edited out of context. We
made it seem more.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
But yes, everybody needs it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
It's because it's like it's all about getting on like
the window of tolerance.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
See. I actually think the show needs to show more
of this.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Thank you for showing it here.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Because there's no balance and to see this part of
your life would be like I would need it. Sometimes
I'm watching the episodes that I do need a break,
and if it do and it was like this, I
would be like, okay, great, I.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Agreed to do a thinking that was going to happen.
Oh really, we're gonna show more of that.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, well, hopefully they hear from people like us and
hear you're.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Talking and on my eye, yeah, yeah, you are hosting
this clip on the idea of you guys saying that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
God, no, I want to see more.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
They need it. That's my that's they convinced me like
that was a perspective.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh well, it didn't happen. We need more.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No, it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Before you go, because it's been incredible and you've given
us all the juice. I knew you were gonna tell
you what.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
I was on my way here to a podcast where
I did a podcast with a healer like this healer
that his name is Charlie Goldsmith has a booth called
Human Medicine. Pretty good check came out and I was
interviewing him. But on my way to the interview, I
found that my car in my home is freaking toad.
I'm flying to No. Yeah, I hate that. Now I
(42:31):
had to go to the place and get my card.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Okay, We're gonna let you go to the toe place
before before before you go sum up your I want
you to sum up your feelings on this season and
what you've really learned.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I learned that some people are meant to be friends
and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And I'm not talking about me and gry Show okay
at all.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
I'm talking about Chelsea Mary Mary like breing certain people
and yes, that's fine. Like I learned that by interacting
with individually with all of them, and that's okay. There
has to be some form where there's harmony, but there's
no need of like, you know, some difference are iroconcilable,
(43:19):
of course.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
And the other thing is that you gotta be prepaired. Yes,
you gotta be fair for everything, because anything.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
You're at a dinner with these people and the shoe
drops and then like all hell breaks loose and it's real,
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
For real.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's it's very stressful watching the seat and Jessica, you
have to catch up on the rest of the episodes
and finish it. It's it's bonkers. I don't want to
spoil the too much of the reunion for you. But
I mean, you guys really got into it. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
For coming, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
It's a nice pleasure.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
I learned so much.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I mean, that's why I mean, I do you know,
I don't I just playing catch the reality.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
Well I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I just I don't do the Camilla is so good
at the reality.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You do dancing with the Stars, that's your favorite us.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You did.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
That's it's great last night you did.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, I was watching this one. I guess I am. Yeah,
you gotta, you gotta, Yeah, you gotta pick.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Your reality reality.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
But Camilla is a big fan, and she was she's
You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I just came so pumped with all the questions.
God speed to you for next years. Congratulations on your
first season on reality. I think that you did an
incredible job on a very difficult show, a bunch of
women that are just so intimidating and uh and it's
(44:55):
stakes were high and emotions were Congratulations. I want to
see more of all and high.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yes, No, it wouldn't last a minute, like literally not
even thirty fives.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
No, you wouldn't last a minute. I wouldn't either. I'd
be hitting that la in two seconds and piecing out.
So you stuck around, good around.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
We'll see for you you are, you're taping hilarious.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Hey, guys, more will be revealed.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Let's doll you come wait for these podcasts to where
you two are badass.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I love it. Will you come back on if the
next season comes, I'll keep you. Oh my god, I'm
sort all right, Jessica. Let's call it. Let's call it
the end of the Epito
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Jessica Capshaw
Camilla Luddington
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