November 21, 2025 • 37 mins
Gia wasn’t the only one ‘in it to win it.’
Her ‘Special Forces’ co-star Kayla Nicole tells her side of their shared victory.
Hear why Kayla says losing wasn’t an option, why she says the show helped her handle the haters, and the reason she would NEVER put herself through it again.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This week, we have a special guest.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That is a part of a tiny club called Special Forces.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Kayla Nicole. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hey girl, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
How are you? I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's been a long week and it's only like what
Wednesday or something.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So my girlfriend I just got back from Bravocon. It's
it's exhausted.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh wow, how's that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh yeah, it's crazy a well old machine.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh yeah. They work us to the bone.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean, as they should, but it is a crazy weekend.
We're also in the midst of filming for Next Yet
m I C and then I was so I was
filming also at Bravo Con and also filming for podcast
for my podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was it was a lot doing all the things.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Did you have to do the thing where you sit
on a panel and people in the audience ask you questions?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, I would be so scared.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, Honestly, it's it's like you're like running off of
like fumes, like you are just like it's an adrenaline rush,
and like it really is so cool to see like
how much the fans love you? And everybody was talking
to me about Special Forces literally every nice I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So Kayla was also somebody who survived and won Special Forces,
So can we celebrate that everybody? Like this is pretty cool?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I love that, Like we want like women and we
won and this is pretty freaking awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yes, and I think too.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's kind of like a plot twist, like I think
going into it a lot of times I don't know
about your cast but it's usually like the athletes or
the men that they think are going to like thrive
and win. So he's pretty cool when you're like the
underdog almost or like you kind of like sneak through
and surprise people.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The DS thought that I was going to be out.
Everybody thought I was going to be out within the
first couple of.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Days and then they told you that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Oh yeah, like my castmates too, especially because my mom
left on day two, so they thought when my mom
left that I was going.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
To leave like right after her.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Can I just say that I love that you stayed.
I love that for you and that you got the
full experience. I think that they need to start handing
out trophies. To be honest, I need something to like
hang on my mantle.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I need a trophy.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I want like an additional bonus prize at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, also that cash prize.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Can we have a cash prize at the end?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Trauma?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But yeah, So you were on the season right before mine,
and you and Brody Jenner were the only two recruits
to actually make it through. What was running through your
mind when you found out that you made it?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I crack up all the time when I see the
actual clip when the staff announced that I had passed,
because it's literally zero emotion. I am a shell of
myself at that point. I looked insane. My lips were chapped,
my hair looked crazy. Physically, I probably was the most
drained in that moment. As you know, that's you've gone
(03:27):
through twelve hours, I believe yah of interrogation. We were
chased by wolves the first like five hours. Prior to that,
we hadn't eaten. That's the interrogation process, which I think,
in my personal opinion, was the hardest part of the
whole show. Every day was incredibly difficult and challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But like that last.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Day, I was literally asking myself minute by minute, why
in the hell am I.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Being missing myself?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, I completely agree with.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You, girl.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
How insane though going through my mind, I'm trying to think.
I don't even think it fully registered that they had
told me like, okay, you passed selection because I didn't
even like laugh or smile and they're like, Kayla, like
come up here, like number eight, come up here, give
me a suck, and like chill out for a second.
And I'm like, bro, I literally looked at them in
their face. I'm like, what did you just dick to me?
What did you just do to me?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Because I don't feel like myself anymore? Which has happened.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I wish that I could say I was excited, but
it took me like an hour or two to really
like calm down, to like recalibrate my nervous system. And
it really probably didn't hit me until we were like
in the back with the crew and like eating a
normal meal and I kind of like.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Got to put on chapstick and wash my face. It
didn't hit me until then.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, I completely agree because like Sean and I Sean
Johnson one with me, and she's a beast, but we
looked at each other and we were just like I
kind of smiled and I was like, but are they
And I'm like, wait, why are the DS standing there?
So if the das are standing there, maybe this is
a good sign, like they came to rescue us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But then I'm like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm like, like there's something ye like, is there more?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Is there more to come?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And then they were like and they really didn't. They
didn't show this fully, but they gave us a kind
of like a speech afterwards. And the speech like to Sean,
I was like, what do you mean? Like, because she was,
you know, she was an Olympic gymnast, so she was
she was she was very wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh she's amazing. She was.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
She was very robotic, but only when we were doing
the challenges and on our missions because that's what she
was used to. She was so disciplined from gymnastics that
that was her. But then when we were in the
barracks and we were fooling around like, she was awesome,
but when the DS saw her, yeah, she was tough.
She was, that was her and because she was in
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that competitive mode and so they were kind of beating
her down about that for a minute, and I'm like
looking around, like what the going on? Like she's a
beast when I told her she passed that, yeah, they
said that first before they said okay, eighteen and I
forget I forget Sean's number right now. But they were
like beating her down for a minute, and I'm like
(06:11):
looking at like I'm like, what the is going on?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Like what is going on? Why are you not giving
her more credit?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She was insane, like she was the.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Best on this course, Like what are you guys saying?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And they were like complimenting me and being like number eighteen,
You've come such a long way. We thought you were
going to tap out, and like, listen, I really did
improve every single day on that course.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like I improved physically.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
My mental state I think was always there because I've
always been mentally strong throughout my life, but one hundred
percent I improved every day physically. But and then they
finally like their guards went down and they were like,
number eighteen, you guys have past selection and I was
like that was incredible and hugging them and just honestly
(06:58):
like receiving that valid from the DS, I was like whoa, Okay,
we made it like I felt good after receiving the
validation from them, and that's why I think that Sean
and I felt this, And I don't know if you did,
but like Sean and I really didn't experience any like
PTSD after or like any crazy thing afterwards, because I
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think it was amazing that we received that validation and
like that sense of like we are proud of you
finally from the DS. But I think other people who
went through selection or who maybe left early or tapped
out a little early, they received that because they didn't
get that from them.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely humanized them. I
had a moment where they're like, yeah, bring it in
and like hug me. It's like I don't really like,
oh you like that yet, Okay, Like I just you
just tortured me for twelve hours. I don't know, but
it definitely humanizes them. I didn't have too much PTSD
after the show, but I do think that there was
a moment where I did have to, like I said,
like recalibrate my nervous system. I remember very vividly going
(08:02):
back to my hotel room after they released us and
I turned on the shower. I went to go call
my family to let them know that like I passed selection.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I made it to the end. Very exciting and all that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I remember, I kind of like blacked out for a moment.
I was like sitting on the edge of my bed
because I turned the shower on. I ordered room service,
called my family, and I just remember like kind of
like coming to and I had been sitting on my
bed for like an hour or so, just like rocking,
like self soothing and just kind of like daydreaming. Almost
my room service had come. My burger was cold, my
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shower was cold, like I'd been sitting there for so long,
just trying to come back to myself. So I would
say to that extent, maybe had a little BTSC just
because it's such an extreme and intense experience. I definitely
had to like calm myself down. I was in like
fight or flight mode the entire time. I don't know
about you, but I felt like I was literally fighting
(08:55):
for my life every single day.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, No, definitely, during this process it was just so
draining for me, Like my body was just exhausted.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Because did you lose any weight? Oh, Like I lost
like ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I lost ten pounds. I was so happy. I was
like keep it curling.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
They're like right, feed me more slop and chicken.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh literally it was And it was because like I
don't know about you guys, like are I never ate dinner,
but my breakfast, like our breakfast wasn't terrible. It was like, yeah,
the plainest freaking oatmeal I'll every in your life. That
tasted like I don't even know, like not cardboard, but
it was just like bland as hell air. Yes, And
(09:38):
then there was hard boiled eggs and there was like
toast with jam and stuff like that. Then our lunch
was my favorite part because it was like salted vegetables
with either like chicken or like oxtail.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And like I actually like the fancy yeah, like I
actually liked that tale. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was like it was like short, like short, like
short beef, short, short rip, yes, like.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like a oxtail out there.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Well I think because I think oxtail. I think oxtail
is like big in Morocco. Yeah, so I think it
might have been. But it was like the beef that
like kind of pulls apart a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, but so maybe it was an oxen we started doing.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It was like cooled pork or something like that. We
started doing things. I was like Jesus might in prison.
We started doing things like taking the jam and putting
the jam in the oatmeal to kind of make it
like a strawberry oatmeal, you know, like to jazz it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Up a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I started doing these. I told the girls that it
was like Starbucks. I would take the electrolyte packets that
they would give us and I would put it in
the hot water and it would make it like a fizzy,
pink drink. And I'm like, oh, this is kind of
like a little Starbucks coft here. Like we started just
doing anything to spice it up a bit because that food,
Like you said, I feel like I was skipping meals
(10:59):
because it's like I would rather just drink disgusted air
than eat another hard boiled egg.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Literally, So like I loved the the lunch.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Lunch was my favorite.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And then dinner they gave us these disgusting sausage links
that were white, like as white as my couch. Imagine
sausage white, and they look like pinkies, like like disgusting.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It almost like was.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Like an old tiny penis that they were feeding us
like and like imagine imagine an old man, like real,
that's what.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And I'm sitting there like I am not eating that,
Like that is disgusting, and like.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I'm sure you've been running around all day, You've been
doing all these tasks and challenges.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You're starving. You're starving. Hunger is like.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
A choice for Oh, and then they had they always
had fruit, so for dinner, I would eat fruit. And
then I'm like, nice, it's all right, I'm so exhausted.
Just I want to shower and I'll eat breakfast in
the morning, like I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It was tough sledding with the food for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh so tough.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We didn't obviously win an additional cast prize at the end.
So what really kept you motivated throughout Special Forces?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Girl?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Honestly, I told my family before I left that there's
just no other option, Like I'm not gonna speak to
you for X amount days. You're not gonna hear from me.
If you hear from me before then, it's because I've
injured myself. I have lost a limb or you know,
something very dramatic traumatic has happened, and they have kicked
me off because I'm not going home, like I just
(12:53):
I felt like too on this level of a platform,
you know, the show, it's like it's gonna be seen everywhere.
I wanted my first impression to be a true reflection
of who I am, which I feel like is really bad,
especially after completing the show, and I just didn't want
to have that on my name, Like I didn't want
(13:13):
to go home a loser. I wanted to be a winner.
And not to say that people that won Homer losers,
that's not nice. We're fair now, But I personally wanted
to have that on my resume that I completed Special Forces,
that I suck to it despite how challenging it is
physically emotionally, I really wanted to do it to do
it for myself, to prove to myself that I could
do extremely hard things, but also to show other people
(13:36):
too that I am tough as nails.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Honestly, I totally agree with you. I think that was
my mentality as well. And like, cause this was you know,
obviously now I'm on Next Gen M I see, but yeah,
which is my own show, but Special Forces was something
like that was me too, Like that was really me.
But that show also shows you at your rawest points
(14:02):
and like the rawst version of yourself. So absolutely I
was like, same as you. I want to prove this
to myself, and I also want people to see who
I really am, and this is who I am, like
I am like just like I am tough.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I want to finish. I want to.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Get through this, And it was the best feeling in
the entire world, Like the Special Forces was the best
thing I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Absolutely no, I agree.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm sure you can relate to this too, as someone
who has been, you know, a public figure for so
long in your life. Like a lot of the times
your success is attributed to you know, your family, or
your mother of course, or.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But this experience, nobody can take it from you, Like
it literally was you against you. You earned that, you
want that, and I feel exactly the same. A lot
of my success, for whatever reason, can be attributed to
whatever people want to make it about. But for Special Forces,
it literally was me. And there's nothing anybody could I
ever say, I can ever say about that other than
the fact that I did the damn thing I them
(15:05):
that you have that say we did.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We did the day.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
We did the we did the damn thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I agreed, But if.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
They ever did a Special Forces All Star no, no, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, bro okay, and I've told them, I'll tell you.
Don't call me. You want somebody to host the chow
I got you. You want a reunion, call me. I'm
not doing this again. I did it. I did it,
unless you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I would do it for the challenges, but I don't
ever want to go through interrogation again.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah. I don't even want to do the challenge. Wait,
what challenges would you? Okay? What?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
There's not one challenge that you would absolutely just never
do again. Did you guys have to do the gas challenge? Yeah,
you would do that again.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I didn't you have one?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I know I failed, but okay, I.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Didn't everything too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We only failed because we didn't we didn't get the code.
We didn't find the box with the code, but we
got the hostage out.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I didn't like smell the gas.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Oh well that's nice for you, because maybe we have
really its.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Like I almost urinated on myself, Gia from the gas.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I thought that I was going to die minute and.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Fully breathe your eyes are watering, you have not running
into your mouth as you're trying to communicate this code.
It's actually Brodie who also won the show. That was
one of the hardest challenges. Like I physically thought, like,
you know, I don't think that they would let me
die on you know, national television, but also maybe they will.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Fox is kind of crazy, like they might actually let
me black out in this gas chamber of a room.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So another task that I would never do again. Also,
I'm jumping off of the bridge. Do you have a
fear of heights at all? No?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
See that that stuff kind of me a thrill.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Okay, that's what I thought too when we were jumping
out of the helicopters and into the water like that
was very Tom Cruise double A.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Seven and bad ass.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah. They put me over dry land on a bridge
and I almost had a full blown panic attack, Like
I ended up completing it and passing that.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That was the bungee cord. Right were you?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You were on the scene. You were on the same
one as Denise Richards. That's when she popped her boob, right.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yes, allegedly Denise, but yes, she supposedly her boob that
was by far. That was the moment where I realized,
and I was very early on during the experience that
I realized, like, Okay, some of these things I might
actually have a fear. Because typically if you asked me like,
do you have a fear of heights, I would say no,
I love roller coasters and I kind of like that
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adrenaline rush type of vibe. Girl, they got me up
on that bridge, I was literally like.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, like I'm going to my bands were trading, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What people don't see.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I think that a lot of people, especially viewers, think
that it's like assimilation of an experience, but also they
think that if there's some like production element, like before
you go up the hill to jump off this bridge,
they're giving you safety protocol and they're breaking things down
to you and they're letting know how you use our safety.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Our safety prep was five minutes, look up, look up
at d S.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Rudy, that's what you gotta do, got it?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Okay, go yep and go.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And then you get up there and you have this
guy with this very heavy accent, with this very intimidating
face and all his muscles and his black T shirt
and he's like all right, you're gonna put the belt on,
you're gonna prop it down, you're gonna drop down, you
gonna booth, and you're gonna step back and you're gonna
fall back and you're gonna release three string times, drop
down and release, and that's how you complete it. And
I'm like, I'm standing over the edge of the bridge. Yeah,
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I'm on the opposite side. He's he doesn't explain things
to you before you step over the edge. I'm standing
on the edge of the bridge, shaking, trying to listen
to him, and he's like, now jump.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And I'm like, wait what he's like, or you could
take your number off. Literally when I tell you, I
was like, okay, this might be the moment that breaks me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Though, did you guys have to well, I know some
of you were buried alive, but the tunnels we had
to go through the tunnels.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I don't like that, like really really small tunnels.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And I and I had a I was claustrophobic and
had a panic attack.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And fox He's like in the tunnel.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right before going in, I already knew and Foxy looks
at me and goes, you better.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Get yours in that tunnel, I'm taking your armband and
I go okay. And when they say that to you,
it's so weird. It's like this feeling that you're like.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't want to leave though, so I just have
to do it, And that's what that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's almost it's insane.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But I think it just shows you how powerful our
minds are, because we could easily go home, right, like, oh,
youre had no difference if you if you stayed from
the beginning to the end, you get paid the same amount.
You get the same quote unquote exposure, you get the
same quote un experience when it comes to like press
and all those things. You're literally doing this because you
want to prove to yourself that you are stronger than
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you think that you are, that emotionally you can regulate.
At least for me, I can regulate my emotions, that
my mind and my resilience is just so much stronger
than I could have ever imagined. Because yes, you could
just take the band off and go home, Like we
have homes to go back to.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
We do not have to do this. So I think
it just says a lot about the both of us.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And I mean I commend you for doing it because
it's not easy, Like, it's not easy, and it's also
not to game, like people think that there's like okay
and seeing you guys were gonna break through thirteen and
we'll see you back at three thirty, Like oh no.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Literally, it's like forty seven.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That would just be so disrespectful to the DS, Like
this is their playground. We're entering their world. They don't
strew around, they don't give it what production says. They
want the course to run the way they want it
to run.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And if in their real life experience too.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh yeah, so if you mess with that, that's just
like that's disrespectful to them exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah. Yeah. I definitely left the experience having so much more.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I mean, I already always had respect for people in
the line of duty and service, but I left that
experience like, wait, I get that I had the chance
to go home after this. There's people who spend their
lives and dedicate their lives protecting and serving us, and
that to me was just like wow, like people do
this every single day.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And then it's like, literally, did you guys have to
write the death letters too?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, that tore me apart. I hated that tore me apart.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Horrible.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That was who did you write your letter to your family? Yeah, yeah, same.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I just, you know, just like looking at Billy
as he walked in and like told us that they
had to write these letters all the time because they
know they didn't know if after this mission, if they
were going to come home. And I'm just like, you
sit there and think, and You're like, that is terrifying
because there actually going to combat where they can actually
(22:02):
not come home. Like, yes, sure we feel like we're
in it, but no, they're actually in it. And I mean, I, oh,
but I because I agree. I didn't have anyone close
to me, like my friends or family that you know,
served in the military or were in any line of duty.
(22:23):
So I I of course appreciated it, but I I
didn't have that personal connection to it. And after doing
Special Forces, I was I was blown away.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
My respect for them just.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Was beyond oh yeah, oh yeah. You built such a
dynamic career across sports, broadcasting, entertainment, and fashion, and you're
known for so much more than one chapter of your
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personal life. But with everything that you've been through publicly.
Do you feel like special Forces came into your life
exactly at the right moment?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Oh, my gosh. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And you know, in hindsight now it's been what a
year and some change now since I had the actual
experience it aired to answer your question. In hindsight, I
think I needed this experience more than I ever knew,
especially just fast forward to where I am now in
my career and being in this very like forward facing
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public figure position. This industry is not an easy one,
and you have to have really really tough skin. You
have to be extremely resilient. And what I'm learning in
this chapter of my life and what I'm trying to
do is really just reclaim my own power and stand
in that and own that. And I think being on
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this show it allowed me a very interesting and unique
experience in a way of seeing that and manifesting that,
like physically, but also like mentally and emotionally. Like I
learned so so much about myself during this experience. And
I don't think that anything in my life could have
taught me the lessons.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That I've learned from this show.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Like there's nothing that I could possibly do that's gonna
make me feel that fight or flight emotion. But then
at the same time, I'm I'm thankful for that, right,
Like I don't need to experience that again to learn
that about myself.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But how does that translate in my everyday life now?
I think that there's.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Certainly moments where I feel very broken and defeated and
misunderstood or you know, you name it. But what I
did learn from that show is just I'm so much
more than public perception that like, I am my own individual,
And although sometimes it does feel a little bit like
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dehumanizing to be in the position that I'm in, to
feel like, you know, I'm constantly just like clickbait or
a headline, I think what that show taught me is that.
And one of the stuff I've told me this is
that you have to pay eighty percent of this life
that we live in is just a bunch of noise, right,
and twenty percent is what really matters. And that or
it's like twenty and eighty. Either way, let's just say
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it's the eighty percent is noise and the twenty percent
is what really matters. And I'm choosing to focus on
the twenty percent, and the twenty percent for that is
my family, my friends, My business is my podcast, the pregame,
whether it's my wellness brand, tripe therapy, Like I really
have been just focusing and pouring myself into the community
that loves me and that sees me and understands me,
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and that brings me the most peace and happiness and joy.
So no matter what's really going on in the world,
if I focus on those things that twenty percent that
really matters, like that's that's all that I can do.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I love that, and that that really is like what
the show teaches you, You gotta you have to focus on
and prioritize what really matters because anything else doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So and that's why they really.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Want you to lock in and tune in with yourself
and look at the bigger picture. And like Special Forces
changed me, like changed my entire life.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Though It's like I almost kind of wish more people
could experience it to some level, to some degree, because it.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is I think the whole the whole world needs to
experience it. Everyone needs a wake.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Up call for everyone. Send everybody off to war. Like
that's insane, that's an insane thing to say. But let's say,
like I wish that there was like you know how.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That not like I think everyone needs Like, no, I
just not that everyone. I think it's just an amazing experience.
Like I think every like if any if, if everybody
could have the.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Chance to experience that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I mean I think it's incredible, it's life changing.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, anyone would grow from it if you're open to it,
if you are.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Of course to seeing seeing the true benefit of it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Because I think too, like, if you go into it
with the wrong mindset, it's it's probably easy to like
leave early on, or to just like.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Quit and give up on yourself.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And you know, not to speak negatively about anyone that
chose to do that for themselves, but you definitely have
to go into it with an open mind and a
desire to learn about yourself. So if you go into
it with the outlook, I think, yeah, you can definitely
leave with with a lot and grow a lot, for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I want to talk about something that just went so
viral on the internet.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Your Halloween costume.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You posted that Tony Braxton look with the he Wasn't
man enough moment, and people immediately obviously started making their
own assumptions and their own storylines. And this is honestly
what you kind of talked about on Special Forces on
what yeah you hated And I remember watching you throughout
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the season and honest and resonating with you when you
would talk about this.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
What was your intention behind that? TikTok?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, I think Halloween every year, and I talked about
this's on my popt the pregame. I love Halloween so much.
Growing up, I grew up in a very sheltered home.
We didn't get to celebrate Halloween too much. Like I
got to be either like an angel.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Or an animal, and I got to.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Do the church trigger treating and the trunk parking lot like.
I didn't have very much freedom. So in my very
big grown age of thirty four, in my adulthood, I
do whatever I want and I love it so very much.
I've kind of found this little niche pocket of Halloween
where I choose a celebrity or artist that I really
admire and it typically involves me doing some sort of
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like performative dance number. Last year, I was Sierra and
I did specifically the Ride music video.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Which was very spicy, had a little viral moment there.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
This year, I did Tony Braxton, who wasn't man enough
for me? And I said this too. I literally grew
up on this album. This record specifically though, is like
a classic two thousands bop. I know that you're a
little bit younger than me, so you.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Probably have you ever even heard that song before?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean, I knew I knew this and viral, but
I don't need I Yeah, guys, don't kill me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't even know who Tony Braxton is.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, don't cover don't kill me.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm all I need to like educate myself more when
it comes to see.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
This is why performative Halloween costumes are important, because after
we get off of this zoom, I want you to
go and I want you to one shout out Tony braxim.
I want you to download the song, add the song
to your Apple Music. I don't know, get on TikTok
and add it to your sounds.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Okay, so her song.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
The song is now trending, by the way, it's like
top one hundred on Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Like wait, but I love. We've started a whole little movement.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So if you want to dress up in a sexy
Halloween costume and feel and do what you gotta do
and feel confident.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Little shake a little something, Yeah, do that, what's the problem.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Sometimes you got to like you got to reintroduce yourself
to people sometimes, you know, because they forget. Like you
saw me on Special Forces, I was a little crusty, dusty,
but I can get it together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I mean when I saw you at the Nile on
a d you looked absolutely stunning and you did not
look drusty dusty. We like, the the braids were a
smart move, Like, what else were you supposed to do?
My hair was getting tangled in the mud every day,
and I had hair extensions in my hair like God, and.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
My braids, my braids were dreadlocks by the end of it,
like it was giving locked in together, crazy crazy times.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Oh I love that. Throughout Special Forces.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I know when I was watching you, you've really just
wanted people to see a different side of you, and
you really did want to shut out the noise. I
know the DS told you that eighty percent of it
is the noise and twenty percent of it is what
is important.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So moving forward in.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Your life, how did you really shut out the noise
and move on and just keep going and create your
own path.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think that for me, obviously, social media is a
huge part of my life. It's a huge part of
my career as someone who is a content creator, influencer,
whatever title that you want to give me. And I
kind of laugh at it now looking but I have
come to the realization that when I close my phone,
whether it's turned off, exit out of the app, all
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of those voices and literally all of those people.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And all of those opinions are non existent.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Like we put so much weight and emphasis on the
opinions of the internet bots on the Internet, fake.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Pages with fake pictures.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I had to almost like slap myself in the face, like, girl,
get over it. Like you're never gonna you're never gonna
win everyone over.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
You're never gonna have one hundred percent support of the world.
That's just a part of life. I don't care if
you're a public figure or not. That's just life.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
More people, young people, specifically, I really want to know
this message turn the freaking phone off, like literally turn
the phone on.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean, honestly, that was the best thing of Special Forces.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Not having any of it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You're not having my phone. I loved it.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, honestly, But like more people we kind of like
do this same song and dance of like, and I
get it.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It sucks.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
It sucks to deal with online harassment or bullying. Like
I feel like that's such a universal thing that a
lot of people experience.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Turn it off.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You don't have to do it, like even a part
of my job. I don't have to look at that
every day. If I don't want to, I can do
my job, post my content, and get on the best
thing Apple started doing is sharing your screen time. If
your screen time is more than thirty minutes, something's going on, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's enough. You don't need more than thirty minutes on
them DMX.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Walk out, grass, go grocery shopping, pain a picture, talk
to your family, walk your dog, do something.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Because all that is irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, be relevant.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What do you think people have misunderstood about you the most?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Girl, I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
At this point, I don't even care anymore, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I have, Well, you don't feel like people got
a better understanding of you after Special Forces?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Honestly, Gia, I hope that they did.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But I also but you're like, I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, I couldn't care less, Like I know what I
got from that experience. I'm so proud of how I
carried my self, how I finish strong. That literally is
all that matters to me. Everybody else, I don't care.
Go do some right headline about it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I don't really care, no exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You're known for your confidence and humor online. Are you
totally an open book or do you have a private
side to you?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh? God, I'm so private.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
That's why I laugh all the time because people think
that I'm sharing one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I'm probably shared like thirty.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Percent of my truth. And people be choking on a cheerios.
This is the tip of the iceberg, sweetie.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm sparing you all. Okay, I'm sparing you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh wait, that's awesome though. Wait, you're funny choking on
your cheerios.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I'm dead.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Seriously, and I'm a scorpio to you. I'm very I
won't say secretive, but I'm very private. Yeah, and intentional
with the things that I share, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Like, I don't share a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Which is good though, because I feel like that keeps
like like that just keeps you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Grounded and like true to yourself, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Absolutely, especially living in a time where it's a part
of the culture to overshare in a sense like people
think and.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, because yeah, if you overshare, then that shows authenticity
and it gravitates and traction and everything.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, but there is there is a very delicate dance
that I have tried to master because I do always
want to be genuine. I want to show up as
my authentic self. But that doesn't mean that I have
to give everyone every part of me. I can save
some things for myself, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, what is something people wouldn't be able to know
about you from what you post on social media?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Hmmm, jeez. I think lately probably I've become quite the recluse.
Like I don't know if it's an age thing.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Like my older homegirls will always tell me like, there's
going to be a time, girl where you can't drink
the way that you do and you got the one
to go out. And I used to be like, you're
so boring, you're so boring going to the sweater And
now I don't know what happened. I turned thirty four
and all of a sudden, it's like you have to
pay me to come outside.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You are I mean, listen, I'm still twenty four, and
I'm like, uh, I can't drink like I used to
when I was in college, Like I feel horrible the
next morning.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Wait until you're thirty four.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
You're gonna literally be looking at that shot at tequila
and thinking about your next week, Like, do I really
want to ruin my Thursday of next week by.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Drinking the store shop right here? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Things change, but I'm not mad at it, Like I'm
just in a different air in my life. And I
think my presence on social media has certainly shifted. I
used to be posting this and posting that, and I'm
at the store and I'm at a party and here
in my club, and I just have become a little
more just a little more private, And I kind of
like enjoy my at home alone moments the most right now,
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my solitude, Like it's become my safe space. So maybe
that's what people might not know about me these days.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You've had such a great career words, broadcasting, fashion, fitness,
and now podcasting. Are there any lanes that you'd like
to lean into next?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I think acting is my my little pride and joy.
Another thing people might not.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Know about me. I have been a part of like.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Two projects this year that were really cool, and I
certainly hope to do that more in the future.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I've been taking acting classes.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
It's such a like humbling experience, and it's also extremely terrifying,
so I feel like I'm doing something right. You know,
whenever you're trying something new and it freaks you out
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think that it's supposed to feel uncomfortable before it
feels comfortable.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You gotta lean into that, like there's there's a lot
of freedom on the other side of fear. So I'm
I love this acting world for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I love to hear that. All right.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
K le Well, thank you so much for coming on
Casual Chaos. This was such an amazing episode and we
are the baddest ever for a winning special. Yeah period.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Thank you Ga, thank you, Bache
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Understand
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This week, we have a special guest.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That is a part of a tiny club called Special Forces.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Kayla Nicole. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hey girl, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
How are you? I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's been a long week and it's only like what
Wednesday or something.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So my girlfriend I just got back from Bravocon. It's
it's exhausted.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh wow, how's that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh yeah, it's crazy a well old machine.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh yeah. They work us to the bone.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean, as they should, but it is a crazy weekend.
We're also in the midst of filming for Next Yet
m I C and then I was so I was
filming also at Bravo Con and also filming for podcast
for my podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was it was a lot doing all the things.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Did you have to do the thing where you sit
on a panel and people in the audience ask you questions?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, I would be so scared.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, Honestly, it's it's like you're like running off of
like fumes, like you are just like it's an adrenaline rush,
and like it really is so cool to see like
how much the fans love you? And everybody was talking
to me about Special Forces literally every nice I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So Kayla was also somebody who survived and won Special Forces,
So can we celebrate that everybody? Like this is pretty cool?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I love that, Like we want like women and we
won and this is pretty freaking awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yes, and I think too.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's kind of like a plot twist, like I think
going into it a lot of times I don't know
about your cast but it's usually like the athletes or
the men that they think are going to like thrive
and win. So he's pretty cool when you're like the
underdog almost or like you kind of like sneak through
and surprise people.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The DS thought that I was going to be out.
Everybody thought I was going to be out within the
first couple of.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Days and then they told you that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Oh yeah, like my castmates too, especially because my mom
left on day two, so they thought when my mom
left that I was going.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
To leave like right after her.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Can I just say that I love that you stayed.
I love that for you and that you got the
full experience. I think that they need to start handing
out trophies. To be honest, I need something to like
hang on my mantle.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I need a trophy.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I want like an additional bonus prize at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, also that cash prize.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Can we have a cash prize at the end?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Trauma?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But yeah, So you were on the season right before mine,
and you and Brody Jenner were the only two recruits
to actually make it through. What was running through your
mind when you found out that you made it?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I crack up all the time when I see the
actual clip when the staff announced that I had passed,
because it's literally zero emotion. I am a shell of
myself at that point. I looked insane. My lips were chapped,
my hair looked crazy. Physically, I probably was the most
drained in that moment. As you know, that's you've gone
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through twelve hours, I believe yah of interrogation. We were
chased by wolves the first like five hours. Prior to that,
we hadn't eaten. That's the interrogation process, which I think,
in my personal opinion, was the hardest part of the
whole show. Every day was incredibly difficult and challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But like that last.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Day, I was literally asking myself minute by minute, why
in the hell am I.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Being missing myself?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, I completely agree with.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You, girl.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
How insane though going through my mind, I'm trying to think.
I don't even think it fully registered that they had
told me like, okay, you passed selection because I didn't
even like laugh or smile and they're like, Kayla, like
come up here, like number eight, come up here, give
me a suck, and like chill out for a second.
And I'm like, bro, I literally looked at them in
their face. I'm like, what did you just dick to me?
What did you just do to me?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Because I don't feel like myself anymore? Which has happened.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I wish that I could say I was excited, but
it took me like an hour or two to really
like calm down, to like recalibrate my nervous system. And
it really probably didn't hit me until we were like
in the back with the crew and like eating a
normal meal and I kind of like.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Got to put on chapstick and wash my face. It
didn't hit me until then.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, I completely agree because like Sean and I Sean
Johnson one with me, and she's a beast, but we
looked at each other and we were just like I
kind of smiled and I was like, but are they
And I'm like, wait, why are the DS standing there?
So if the das are standing there, maybe this is
a good sign, like they came to rescue us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But then I'm like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm like, like there's something ye like, is there more?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Is there more to come?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And then they were like and they really didn't. They
didn't show this fully, but they gave us a kind
of like a speech afterwards. And the speech like to Sean,
I was like, what do you mean? Like, because she was,
you know, she was an Olympic gymnast, so she was
she was she was very wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh she's amazing. She was.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
She was very robotic, but only when we were doing
the challenges and on our missions because that's what she
was used to. She was so disciplined from gymnastics that
that was her. But then when we were in the
barracks and we were fooling around like, she was awesome,
but when the DS saw her, yeah, she was tough.
She was, that was her and because she was in
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that competitive mode and so they were kind of beating
her down about that for a minute, and I'm like
looking around, like what the going on? Like she's a
beast when I told her she passed that, yeah, they
said that first before they said okay, eighteen and I
forget I forget Sean's number right now. But they were
like beating her down for a minute, and I'm like
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looking at like I'm like, what the is going on?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Like what is going on? Why are you not giving
her more credit?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She was insane, like she was the.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Best on this course, Like what are you guys saying?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And they were like complimenting me and being like number eighteen,
You've come such a long way. We thought you were
going to tap out, and like, listen, I really did
improve every single day on that course.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Like I improved physically.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
My mental state I think was always there because I've
always been mentally strong throughout my life, but one hundred
percent I improved every day physically. But and then they
finally like their guards went down and they were like,
number eighteen, you guys have past selection and I was
like that was incredible and hugging them and just honestly
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like receiving that valid from the DS, I was like whoa, Okay,
we made it like I felt good after receiving the
validation from them, and that's why I think that Sean
and I felt this, And I don't know if you did,
but like Sean and I really didn't experience any like
PTSD after or like any crazy thing afterwards, because I
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think it was amazing that we received that validation and
like that sense of like we are proud of you
finally from the DS. But I think other people who
went through selection or who maybe left early or tapped
out a little early, they received that because they didn't
get that from them.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely humanized them. I
had a moment where they're like, yeah, bring it in
and like hug me. It's like I don't really like,
oh you like that yet, Okay, Like I just you
just tortured me for twelve hours. I don't know, but
it definitely humanizes them. I didn't have too much PTSD
after the show, but I do think that there was
a moment where I did have to, like I said,
like recalibrate my nervous system. I remember very vividly going
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back to my hotel room after they released us and
I turned on the shower. I went to go call
my family to let them know that like I passed selection.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I made it to the end. Very exciting and all that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I remember, I kind of like blacked out for a moment.
I was like sitting on the edge of my bed
because I turned the shower on. I ordered room service,
called my family, and I just remember like kind of
like coming to and I had been sitting on my
bed for like an hour or so, just like rocking,
like self soothing and just kind of like daydreaming. Almost
my room service had come. My burger was cold, my
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shower was cold, like I'd been sitting there for so long,
just trying to come back to myself. So I would
say to that extent, maybe had a little BTSC just
because it's such an extreme and intense experience. I definitely
had to like calm myself down. I was in like
fight or flight mode the entire time. I don't know
about you, but I felt like I was literally fighting
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for my life every single day.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, No, definitely, during this process it was just so
draining for me, Like my body was just exhausted.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Because did you lose any weight? Oh, Like I lost
like ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I lost ten pounds. I was so happy. I was
like keep it curling.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
They're like right, feed me more slop and chicken.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh literally it was And it was because like I
don't know about you guys, like are I never ate dinner,
but my breakfast, like our breakfast wasn't terrible. It was like, yeah,
the plainest freaking oatmeal I'll every in your life. That
tasted like I don't even know, like not cardboard, but
it was just like bland as hell air. Yes, And
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then there was hard boiled eggs and there was like
toast with jam and stuff like that. Then our lunch
was my favorite part because it was like salted vegetables
with either like chicken or like oxtail.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And like I actually like the fancy yeah, like I
actually liked that tale. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was like it was like short, like short, like
short beef, short, short rip, yes, like.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like a oxtail out there.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Well I think because I think oxtail. I think oxtail
is like big in Morocco. Yeah, so I think it
might have been. But it was like the beef that
like kind of pulls apart a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, but so maybe it was an oxen we started doing.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It was like cooled pork or something like that. We
started doing things. I was like Jesus might in prison.
We started doing things like taking the jam and putting
the jam in the oatmeal to kind of make it
like a strawberry oatmeal, you know, like to jazz it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Up a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I started doing these. I told the girls that it
was like Starbucks. I would take the electrolyte packets that
they would give us and I would put it in
the hot water and it would make it like a fizzy,
pink drink. And I'm like, oh, this is kind of
like a little Starbucks coft here. Like we started just
doing anything to spice it up a bit because that food,
Like you said, I feel like I was skipping meals
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because it's like I would rather just drink disgusted air
than eat another hard boiled egg.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Literally, So like I loved the the lunch.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Lunch was my favorite.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And then dinner they gave us these disgusting sausage links
that were white, like as white as my couch. Imagine
sausage white, and they look like pinkies, like like disgusting.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It almost like was.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Like an old tiny penis that they were feeding us
like and like imagine imagine an old man, like real,
that's what.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And I'm sitting there like I am not eating that,
Like that is disgusting, and like.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I'm sure you've been running around all day, You've been
doing all these tasks and challenges.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You're starving. You're starving. Hunger is like.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
A choice for Oh, and then they had they always
had fruit, so for dinner, I would eat fruit. And
then I'm like, nice, it's all right, I'm so exhausted.
Just I want to shower and I'll eat breakfast in
the morning, like I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It was tough sledding with the food for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh so tough.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
We didn't obviously win an additional cast prize at the end.
So what really kept you motivated throughout Special Forces?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Girl?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Honestly, I told my family before I left that there's
just no other option, Like I'm not gonna speak to
you for X amount days. You're not gonna hear from me.
If you hear from me before then, it's because I've
injured myself. I have lost a limb or you know,
something very dramatic traumatic has happened, and they have kicked
me off because I'm not going home, like I just
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I felt like too on this level of a platform,
you know, the show, it's like it's gonna be seen everywhere.
I wanted my first impression to be a true reflection
of who I am, which I feel like is really bad,
especially after completing the show, and I just didn't want
to have that on my name, Like I didn't want
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to go home a loser. I wanted to be a winner.
And not to say that people that won Homer losers,
that's not nice. We're fair now, But I personally wanted
to have that on my resume that I completed Special Forces,
that I suck to it despite how challenging it is
physically emotionally, I really wanted to do it to do
it for myself, to prove to myself that I could
do extremely hard things, but also to show other people
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too that I am tough as nails.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Honestly, I totally agree with you. I think that was
my mentality as well. And like, cause this was you know,
obviously now I'm on Next Gen M I see, but yeah,
which is my own show, but Special Forces was something
like that was me too, Like that was really me.
But that show also shows you at your rawest points
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and like the rawst version of yourself. So absolutely I
was like, same as you. I want to prove this
to myself, and I also want people to see who
I really am, and this is who I am, like
I am like just like I am tough.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I want to finish. I want to.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Get through this, And it was the best feeling in
the entire world, Like the Special Forces was the best
thing I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Absolutely no, I agree.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm sure you can relate to this too, as someone
who has been, you know, a public figure for so
long in your life. Like a lot of the times
your success is attributed to you know, your family, or
your mother of course, or.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But this experience, nobody can take it from you, Like
it literally was you against you. You earned that, you
want that, and I feel exactly the same. A lot
of my success, for whatever reason, can be attributed to
whatever people want to make it about. But for Special Forces,
it literally was me. And there's nothing anybody could I
ever say, I can ever say about that other than
the fact that I did the damn thing I them
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that you have that say we did.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
We did the day.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
We did the we did the damn thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I agreed, But if.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
They ever did a Special Forces All Star no, no, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, bro okay, and I've told them, I'll tell you.
Don't call me. You want somebody to host the chow
I got you. You want a reunion, call me. I'm
not doing this again. I did it. I did it,
unless you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I would do it for the challenges, but I don't
ever want to go through interrogation again.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah. I don't even want to do the challenge. Wait,
what challenges would you? Okay? What?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
There's not one challenge that you would absolutely just never
do again. Did you guys have to do the gas challenge? Yeah,
you would do that again.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I didn't you have one?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I know I failed, but okay, I.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Didn't everything too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We only failed because we didn't we didn't get the code.
We didn't find the box with the code, but we
got the hostage out.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I didn't like smell the gas.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Oh well that's nice for you, because maybe we have
really its.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Like I almost urinated on myself, Gia from the gas.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I thought that I was going to die minute and.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Fully breathe your eyes are watering, you have not running
into your mouth as you're trying to communicate this code.
It's actually Brodie who also won the show. That was
one of the hardest challenges. Like I physically thought, like,
you know, I don't think that they would let me
die on you know, national television, but also maybe they will.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Fox is kind of crazy, like they might actually let
me black out in this gas chamber of a room.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So another task that I would never do again. Also,
I'm jumping off of the bridge. Do you have a
fear of heights at all? No?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
See that that stuff kind of me a thrill.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Okay, that's what I thought too when we were jumping
out of the helicopters and into the water like that
was very Tom Cruise double A.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Seven and bad ass.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah. They put me over dry land on a bridge
and I almost had a full blown panic attack, Like
I ended up completing it and passing that.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That was the bungee cord. Right were you?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You were on the scene. You were on the same
one as Denise Richards. That's when she popped her boob, right.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yes, allegedly Denise, but yes, she supposedly her boob that
was by far. That was the moment where I realized,
and I was very early on during the experience that
I realized, like, Okay, some of these things I might
actually have a fear. Because typically if you asked me like,
do you have a fear of heights, I would say no,
I love roller coasters and I kind of like that
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adrenaline rush type of vibe. Girl, they got me up
on that bridge, I was literally like.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, like I'm going to my bands were trading, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What people don't see.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I think that a lot of people, especially viewers, think
that it's like assimilation of an experience, but also they
think that if there's some like production element, like before
you go up the hill to jump off this bridge,
they're giving you safety protocol and they're breaking things down
to you and they're letting know how you use our safety.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Our safety prep was five minutes, look up, look up
at d S.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Rudy, that's what you gotta do, got it?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Okay, go yep and go.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
And then you get up there and you have this
guy with this very heavy accent, with this very intimidating
face and all his muscles and his black T shirt
and he's like all right, you're gonna put the belt on,
you're gonna prop it down, you're gonna drop down, you
gonna booth, and you're gonna step back and you're gonna
fall back and you're gonna release three string times, drop
down and release, and that's how you complete it. And
I'm like, I'm standing over the edge of the bridge. Yeah,
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I'm on the opposite side. He's he doesn't explain things
to you before you step over the edge. I'm standing
on the edge of the bridge, shaking, trying to listen
to him, and he's like, now jump.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And I'm like, wait what he's like, or you could
take your number off. Literally when I tell you, I
was like, okay, this might be the moment that breaks me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Though, did you guys have to well, I know some
of you were buried alive, but the tunnels we had
to go through the tunnels.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I don't like that, like really really small tunnels.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And I and I had a I was claustrophobic and
had a panic attack.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And fox He's like in the tunnel.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right before going in, I already knew and Foxy looks
at me and goes, you better.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Get yours in that tunnel, I'm taking your armband and
I go okay. And when they say that to you,
it's so weird. It's like this feeling that you're like.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't want to leave though, so I just have
to do it, And that's what that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's almost it's insane.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But I think it just shows you how powerful our
minds are, because we could easily go home, right, like, oh,
youre had no difference if you if you stayed from
the beginning to the end, you get paid the same amount.
You get the same quote unquote exposure, you get the
same quote un experience when it comes to like press
and all those things. You're literally doing this because you
want to prove to yourself that you are stronger than
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you think that you are, that emotionally you can regulate.
At least for me, I can regulate my emotions, that
my mind and my resilience is just so much stronger
than I could have ever imagined. Because yes, you could
just take the band off and go home, Like we
have homes to go back to.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
We do not have to do this. So I think
it just says a lot about the both of us.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And I mean I commend you for doing it because
it's not easy, Like, it's not easy, and it's also
not to game, like people think that there's like okay
and seeing you guys were gonna break through thirteen and
we'll see you back at three thirty, Like oh no.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Literally, it's like forty seven.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That would just be so disrespectful to the DS, Like
this is their playground. We're entering their world. They don't
strew around, they don't give it what production says. They
want the course to run the way they want it
to run.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And if in their real life experience too.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Oh yeah, so if you mess with that, that's just
like that's disrespectful to them exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah. Yeah. I definitely left the experience having so much more.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I mean, I already always had respect for people in
the line of duty and service, but I left that
experience like, wait, I get that I had the chance
to go home after this. There's people who spend their
lives and dedicate their lives protecting and serving us, and
that to me was just like wow, like people do
this every single day.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And then it's like, literally, did you guys have to
write the death letters too?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, that tore me apart. I hated that tore me apart.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Horrible.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That was who did you write your letter to your family? Yeah, yeah, same.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I just, you know, just like looking at Billy
as he walked in and like told us that they
had to write these letters all the time because they
know they didn't know if after this mission, if they
were going to come home. And I'm just like, you
sit there and think, and You're like, that is terrifying
because there actually going to combat where they can actually
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not come home. Like, yes, sure we feel like we're
in it, but no, they're actually in it. And I mean, I, oh,
but I because I agree. I didn't have anyone close
to me, like my friends or family that you know,
served in the military or were in any line of duty.
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So I I of course appreciated it, but I I
didn't have that personal connection to it. And after doing
Special Forces, I was I was blown away.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
My respect for them just.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Was beyond oh yeah, oh yeah. You built such a
dynamic career across sports, broadcasting, entertainment, and fashion, and you're
known for so much more than one chapter of your
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personal life. But with everything that you've been through publicly.
Do you feel like special Forces came into your life
exactly at the right moment?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Oh, my gosh. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And you know, in hindsight now it's been what a
year and some change now since I had the actual
experience it aired to answer your question. In hindsight, I
think I needed this experience more than I ever knew,
especially just fast forward to where I am now in
my career and being in this very like forward facing
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public figure position. This industry is not an easy one,
and you have to have really really tough skin. You
have to be extremely resilient. And what I'm learning in
this chapter of my life and what I'm trying to
do is really just reclaim my own power and stand
in that and own that. And I think being on
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this show it allowed me a very interesting and unique
experience in a way of seeing that and manifesting that,
like physically, but also like mentally and emotionally. Like I
learned so so much about myself during this experience. And
I don't think that anything in my life could have
taught me the lessons.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That I've learned from this show.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Like there's nothing that I could possibly do that's gonna
make me feel that fight or flight emotion. But then
at the same time, I'm I'm thankful for that, right,
Like I don't need to experience that again to learn
that about myself.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But how does that translate in my everyday life now?
I think that there's.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Certainly moments where I feel very broken and defeated and
misunderstood or you know, you name it. But what I
did learn from that show is just I'm so much
more than public perception that like, I am my own individual,
And although sometimes it does feel a little bit like
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dehumanizing to be in the position that I'm in, to
feel like, you know, I'm constantly just like clickbait or
a headline, I think what that show taught me is that.
And one of the stuff I've told me this is
that you have to pay eighty percent of this life
that we live in is just a bunch of noise, right,
and twenty percent is what really matters. And that or
it's like twenty and eighty. Either way, let's just say
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it's the eighty percent is noise and the twenty percent
is what really matters. And I'm choosing to focus on
the twenty percent, and the twenty percent for that is
my family, my friends, My business is my podcast, the pregame,
whether it's my wellness brand, tripe therapy, Like I really
have been just focusing and pouring myself into the community
that loves me and that sees me and understands me,
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and that brings me the most peace and happiness and joy.
So no matter what's really going on in the world,
if I focus on those things that twenty percent that
really matters, like that's that's all that I can do.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I love that, and that that really is like what
the show teaches you, You gotta you have to focus on
and prioritize what really matters because anything else doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So and that's why they really.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Want you to lock in and tune in with yourself
and look at the bigger picture. And like Special Forces
changed me, like changed my entire life.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Though It's like I almost kind of wish more people
could experience it to some level, to some degree, because it.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is I think the whole the whole world needs to
experience it. Everyone needs a wake.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Up call for everyone. Send everybody off to war. Like
that's insane, that's an insane thing to say. But let's say,
like I wish that there was like you know how.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That not like I think everyone needs Like, no, I
just not that everyone. I think it's just an amazing experience.
Like I think every like if any if, if everybody
could have the.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Chance to experience that.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I mean I think it's incredible, it's life changing.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, anyone would grow from it if you're open to it,
if you are.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Of course to seeing seeing the true benefit of it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Because I think too, like, if you go into it
with the wrong mindset, it's it's probably easy to like
leave early on, or to just like.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Quit and give up on yourself.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And you know, not to speak negatively about anyone that
chose to do that for themselves, but you definitely have
to go into it with an open mind and a
desire to learn about yourself. So if you go into
it with the outlook, I think, yeah, you can definitely
leave with with a lot and grow a lot, for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I want to talk about something that just went so
viral on the internet.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Your Halloween costume.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You posted that Tony Braxton look with the he Wasn't
man enough moment, and people immediately obviously started making their
own assumptions and their own storylines. And this is honestly
what you kind of talked about on Special Forces on
what yeah you hated And I remember watching you throughout
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the season and honest and resonating with you when you
would talk about this.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
What was your intention behind that? TikTok?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, I think Halloween every year, and I talked about
this's on my popt the pregame. I love Halloween so much.
Growing up, I grew up in a very sheltered home.
We didn't get to celebrate Halloween too much. Like I
got to be either like an angel.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Or an animal, and I got to.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Do the church trigger treating and the trunk parking lot like.
I didn't have very much freedom. So in my very
big grown age of thirty four, in my adulthood, I
do whatever I want and I love it so very much.
I've kind of found this little niche pocket of Halloween
where I choose a celebrity or artist that I really
admire and it typically involves me doing some sort of
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like performative dance number. Last year, I was Sierra and
I did specifically the Ride music video.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Which was very spicy, had a little viral moment there.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
This year, I did Tony Braxton, who wasn't man enough
for me? And I said this too. I literally grew
up on this album. This record specifically though, is like
a classic two thousands bop. I know that you're a
little bit younger than me, so you.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Probably have you ever even heard that song before?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean, I knew I knew this and viral, but
I don't need I Yeah, guys, don't kill me.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't even know who Tony Braxton is.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, don't cover don't kill me.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm all I need to like educate myself more when
it comes to see.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
This is why performative Halloween costumes are important, because after
we get off of this zoom, I want you to
go and I want you to one shout out Tony braxim.
I want you to download the song, add the song
to your Apple Music. I don't know, get on TikTok
and add it to your sounds.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Okay, so her song.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
The song is now trending, by the way, it's like
top one hundred on Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Like wait, but I love. We've started a whole little movement.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So if you want to dress up in a sexy
Halloween costume and feel and do what you gotta do
and feel confident.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Little shake a little something, Yeah, do that, what's the problem.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Sometimes you got to like you got to reintroduce yourself
to people sometimes, you know, because they forget. Like you
saw me on Special Forces, I was a little crusty, dusty,
but I can get it together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I mean when I saw you at the Nile on
a d you looked absolutely stunning and you did not
look drusty dusty. We like, the the braids were a
smart move, Like, what else were you supposed to do?
My hair was getting tangled in the mud every day,
and I had hair extensions in my hair like God, and.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
My braids, my braids were dreadlocks by the end of it,
like it was giving locked in together, crazy crazy times.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Oh I love that. Throughout Special Forces.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I know when I was watching you, you've really just
wanted people to see a different side of you, and
you really did want to shut out the noise. I
know the DS told you that eighty percent of it
is the noise and twenty percent of it is what
is important.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So moving forward in.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Your life, how did you really shut out the noise
and move on and just keep going and create your
own path.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I think that for me, obviously, social media is a
huge part of my life. It's a huge part of
my career as someone who is a content creator, influencer,
whatever title that you want to give me. And I
kind of laugh at it now looking but I have
come to the realization that when I close my phone,
whether it's turned off, exit out of the app, all
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of those voices and literally all of those people.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And all of those opinions are non existent.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Like we put so much weight and emphasis on the
opinions of the internet bots on the Internet, fake.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Pages with fake pictures.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I had to almost like slap myself in the face, like, girl,
get over it. Like you're never gonna you're never gonna
win everyone over.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
You're never gonna have one hundred percent support of the world.
That's just a part of life. I don't care if
you're a public figure or not. That's just life.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
More people, young people, specifically, I really want to know
this message turn the freaking phone off, like literally turn
the phone on.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean, honestly, that was the best thing of Special Forces.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Not having any of it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You're not having my phone. I loved it.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, honestly, But like more people we kind of like
do this same song and dance of like, and I
get it.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It sucks.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
It sucks to deal with online harassment or bullying. Like
I feel like that's such a universal thing that a
lot of people experience.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Turn it off.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You don't have to do it, like even a part
of my job. I don't have to look at that
every day. If I don't want to, I can do
my job, post my content, and get on the best
thing Apple started doing is sharing your screen time. If
your screen time is more than thirty minutes, something's going on, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That's enough. You don't need more than thirty minutes on
them DMX.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Walk out, grass, go grocery shopping, pain a picture, talk
to your family, walk your dog, do something.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Because all that is irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, be relevant.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
What do you think people have misunderstood about you the most?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Girl, I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
At this point, I don't even care anymore, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I have, Well, you don't feel like people got
a better understanding of you after Special Forces?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Honestly, Gia, I hope that they did.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But I also but you're like, I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, I couldn't care less, Like I know what I
got from that experience. I'm so proud of how I
carried my self, how I finish strong. That literally is
all that matters to me. Everybody else, I don't care.
Go do some right headline about it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I don't really care, no exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You're known for your confidence and humor online. Are you
totally an open book or do you have a private
side to you?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh? God, I'm so private.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
That's why I laugh all the time because people think
that I'm sharing one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I'm probably shared like thirty.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Percent of my truth. And people be choking on a cheerios.
This is the tip of the iceberg, sweetie.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm sparing you all. Okay, I'm sparing you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh wait, that's awesome though. Wait, you're funny choking on
your cheerios.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I'm dead.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Seriously, and I'm a scorpio to you. I'm very I
won't say secretive, but I'm very private. Yeah, and intentional
with the things that I share, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Like, I don't share a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Which is good though, because I feel like that keeps
like like that just keeps you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Grounded and like true to yourself, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Absolutely, especially living in a time where it's a part
of the culture to overshare in a sense like people
think and.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, because yeah, if you overshare, then that shows authenticity
and it gravitates and traction and everything.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, but there is there is a very delicate dance
that I have tried to master because I do always
want to be genuine. I want to show up as
my authentic self. But that doesn't mean that I have
to give everyone every part of me. I can save
some things for myself, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, what is something people wouldn't be able to know
about you from what you post on social media?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Hmmm, jeez. I think lately probably I've become quite the recluse.
Like I don't know if it's an age thing.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Like my older homegirls will always tell me like, there's
going to be a time, girl where you can't drink
the way that you do and you got the one
to go out. And I used to be like, you're
so boring, you're so boring going to the sweater And
now I don't know what happened. I turned thirty four
and all of a sudden, it's like you have to
pay me to come outside.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You are I mean, listen, I'm still twenty four, and
I'm like, uh, I can't drink like I used to
when I was in college, Like I feel horrible the
next morning.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Wait until you're thirty four.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
You're gonna literally be looking at that shot at tequila
and thinking about your next week, Like, do I really
want to ruin my Thursday of next week by.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Drinking the store shop right here? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Things change, but I'm not mad at it, Like I'm
just in a different air in my life. And I
think my presence on social media has certainly shifted. I
used to be posting this and posting that, and I'm
at the store and I'm at a party and here
in my club, and I just have become a little
more just a little more private, And I kind of
like enjoy my at home alone moments the most right now,
(35:52):
my solitude, Like it's become my safe space. So maybe
that's what people might not know about me these days.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You've had such a great career words, broadcasting, fashion, fitness,
and now podcasting. Are there any lanes that you'd like
to lean into next?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I think acting is my my little pride and joy.
Another thing people might not.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Know about me. I have been a part of like.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Two projects this year that were really cool, and I
certainly hope to do that more in the future.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I've been taking acting classes.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
It's such a like humbling experience, and it's also extremely terrifying,
so I feel like I'm doing something right. You know,
whenever you're trying something new and it freaks you out
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think that it's supposed to feel uncomfortable before it
feels comfortable.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You gotta lean into that, like there's there's a lot
of freedom on the other side of fear. So I'm
I love this acting world for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I love to hear that. All right.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
K le Well, thank you so much for coming on
Casual Chaos. This was such an amazing episode and we
are the baddest ever for a winning special. Yeah period.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Thank you Ga, thank you, Bache
Speaker 4 (37:03):
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