June 6, 2026 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Welcome back to another episode
of Dirty Rush. I'm Daisy Kent, and today I'm joined
by Jason Mesnik. We're here to talk all things dating
and to find out will sorority situationship survive this summer. Well,
we're taking calls from sorority girls to hear their best
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and worst sorority situationship stories and giving relationship advice. Okay, so, Jason,
I know you went to the University of Washington, right,
What was the dating scene like there when you were there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So back in nineteen forty five. No, it's funny, like
I just thinking about this conversation and putting myself into
like maybe the listener's eyes or ears. I probably was
the one who's played the most the dating scene. Like
I was in a fraternity for two years and eventually,
(01:04):
you know, I had a job outside of that, so
I could I did live in more than two years.
But my recollection through all that is most people in
the Greek system date people in the Greek system, and
those who escaped that may have may or may not
have been happier at the end of the day, but
like it's it's like I have a lot of good
memories from it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. I remember because so I went to
San Diego State and I remember I was in a
sorority and the dating scene it was like what you
were saying, like, I feel like everyone in Greek life
dated people in Greek life. And then I remember it
was always like drama and stuff when people like broke
up because then like the guy would start talking to
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a girl in like like rivalry sorority talking to a
guy in like a rivalry fat So I remember just
being like all this drama and chaos, but it was
also like so fun.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well somehow for me it feels like it wasn't that
long ago. But I've got a son who's in a
fraternity now in watching and he's a good kid, don't
get me wrong. Like he had a girlfriend going into
college and then they kind of dated her on and
off a little bit at the beginning. But now the
stage he's in, well, OK, let's say it. For the
about a year and a half, he was like, I
don't want a girlfriend. I've been through too much drama.
(02:22):
So I think he was playing the field for a
little bit, but I think after a couple of years
and now he's going to be a senior next year
all of a sudden, like maybe it just takes a
while for us dudes to grow up. But I was
probably the same way. But I'm seeing it again firsthand.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's so funny. I bet that's like fun to like
look back on and also like watch him like experience
at all.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
The funny thing that I think about is and it's
not even the dating piece, Like he's twenty one now,
but right before he turned twenty one, he was like, hey, dad,
can you start buying? Bring me a couple of gallons
of vodka? And I'm like, well, hold on, bro, like
one thing like you when you could wait two weeks
and two like heck no, no, not like a beer,
but like handles of vodka.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's hilarious. I remember when I moved into college too,
like my I was honestly very lucky, me and my
roommate because her older brother was a senior at the time,
and so he would come like drop us off alcohol
at our dorm run and you would like have them
in like hydro flasks, like the big like hydros. Oh yeah,
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just like bring it up in that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But like, so when you in your in your sorority though,
did you were you in a sority where like you
didn't live in first, like you lived in the dorms
at first, and then you eventually moved in or were
you in the sorority right away?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah? So I lived in the dorms freshman year. Sophomore
year I lived on like an on campus apartment because
I was out of state and had to live in
or live on campus. And then junior year, I lived
in the sorority house for like the sororities at SCSU
at the time, it was like some girls, like a
few girls lived in when they were sophomores, but then
like everyone lived in when a lot of girls lived
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in when they were juniors. But then I went abroad
my junior second semester. But I loved living in the house.
It was like so much fun. And then senior year,
everybody moves to Pacific Beach.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh that sounds terrible. Yeah, you got to move to Pacific. Yeah,
but I think they're all so different, Like I think
about it. Like Molly, my wife, so she went to
Indiana and she's like, there were two hundred people in
her sorority. And I thought our fraternities and sororities were big.
They had about one hundred, but I'm like thinking double
the size. It's like an elementary school. You don't even
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know half the people or it seems like that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, that is it's like so crazy. I remember I
knew everyone pretty much. I want to say ours was
like probably around that size, maybe a little bigger. But
as we got like older, people like dwindled out. I
felt like. But I remember, I think like my pledge
class was like seventyish girls.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's yeah, so you busted me because I meant ours
was probably half that we had. Yeah, you probably had
two hundred people.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean I could be wrong, but I think
it was like seventy. But then I know, like, yeah,
as we got older, it dwindled down. But I knew
everyone pretty much, like in my pledge class, and I
feel like half in the grade above and half in
the grade below.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh gotcha? Yeah, do you have so you have good
memories of it?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I also actually so my fiance now Thor, we actually
dated when we were in college and he was in
one of the frats.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Did you date early on in college with him?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Or so?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We were like best friends. So we moved into the
dorm and I was on a co ed floor in
the dorm, and then we shared like a wall, like
right next to him was him and my friend Alex.
So they became like my really good guy friends, and
then we were just friends. And then the like end
of our sophomore year beginning of junior year, we dated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Did you ever ask him if he wanted to date earlier?
He's like, yeah, I want to be friends with this
really pretty girl. It'd be really cool to be just
friends with her.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, no, not.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I'd be curious what he says.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, I should ask him. But I mean one time,
like freshman year, he tried to kiss me and I.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Was like, what, see he wanted something?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I was Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like really confused. But then we like dated for a
while but then went back to being friends. But it
was kind of funny too because I remember, like freshman year,
we were such good friends, and like he was in
SIGAP and I was in Alpha FE and that was
like one of the like frats and sororities that always
hung out together. But I remember like just because like
we lived next door to them, so like a lot
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of the guys would always come over there, and like
when they would go to the frat house, like be
in my roommate Christy would go with them, so we
got to see like a lot of the drama and
the things that were happening. And I remember like learning
that like older girls were like hooking up with some
of the like freshman guys, and me and Christy felt
like we knew like all the tea about it. But
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it's just like such like or like it's such a
funny like atmosphere, like the whole frat and sorority thing.
But it's like, I'm so happy I did it. It
was so fun.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean you just meet so many really good people,
Like I always people always ask me, at least through
the years, they're like, so, did you like everybody? I'm like,
I don't know. It feels like it's like any group
of people. There's people that you really like, there's people
you don't really know or don't really care, and then
there's people you just don't get along with. But in general,
it's just a really cool atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. For sure, And I feel like college two is
such an interesting time because it's the first time you're
kind of like completely on your own, like away from
your parents, and it's like so I feel like you're
all like bonding and like learning together, which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I just think about being a freshman and going in
there and it's your really first experience. Like maybe you
were independent, you at a job in high school and
all that kind of stuff, but you're out on your own.
You could do what you want, you can stay up
as late as you want, you can drink as much
as you want, you literally whoever you want. Just that
freedom is so like intoxicating it first.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, it's like so fun. It's like terrifying, like for me,
Like I remember it because my two younger siblings, so
they're like five and six years younger than me, and
I remember when they were going to college. I was like, wait,
I'm kind of worried. I'm like, it's just it's so
like different but so fun.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, Like it's just funny going it's just funny going
through it again. And like like I know the sororities
don't do as much as are any of the hazing stuff,
but even on the flip side, like I'm sure you
talked to Thor about this at some point, and seeing
my son go through all this stuff with initiation week
and all that kind of stuff, Like did that ever
come up with? Like do girls ever talk about that
when they know the guys are going through it?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean, I feel like when I was like a
freshman and like going through like recruitment and in my sorority,
I mean girls like you don't, I mean you have
like big little but like I remember the guys just
being like so tired all the time, and like a
lot of my guy friends had to get up like
I feel like theirs was more like mentally hard, and
they would have to get up at like four or
five am and go like run this hill that was
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right by our campus like every morning or something for
like a month, and it was like a pretty like tall.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I wonder, iful, I guess I've always wonder if the
girls felt bad or they're like those guys are so
dumb they would go through this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think I didn't really realize at the time, like
what it was like all like entailing, and then as
like time went on, I was like, oh, really, like
you guys had to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So yeah, like ours was probably pretty same too, But
like the worst thing was like you started off and
it's you know, I don't even think it was a
full week. It was like five or six days. You
kind of lay on the ground. You're in this room
in the basement, and they add you bring us cardboard
box that you'd sleep on.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
First.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The first night you sleep inside this giant cardboard box,
but they played me the music like at full blast,
like bouncing off the walls, so you can't sleep. And
then the next night they're like, well, it's gonna get worse,
so you gotta like they break down the cardboard box.
You sleep on top of the cardboard box, and then
do the same thing again with the music loud, and
eventually you're just sleeping on like a little slip of paper,
like on a hardwood floor, like and you just can't sleep.
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And I think I do think that the worst part
of as the lack of sleep. But I just always
wondered what the girls thought.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, No, I feel like I remember like looking at
some of my like family friends that are like younger
and stuff when they would come back, and I was like,
how's like recruit or rush going and they were like,
it's okay, okay, so we have Finley on right now.
Thanks for coming on, Finley.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Of course, of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You're just telling us you graduated from UC Berkeley, right, Yes,
I did. How was it there, Like, what was the
dating scene?
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Like, oh my gosh, it's definitely different. Like it's I
would say, like if you were in a Greek life,
like you kind of dated within Greek life and if
you were like an athlete, you were kind of dating
within the athletes, and so like I did both. I
was an athlete and on Greek life. But it I mean,
(10:54):
I feel like the dating scene honestly, all my friends
that I was close with were single for most of it,
so it was kind of dry.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But well, what about when somebody was an athlete and
in the Greek life, can you double dip?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, you can definitely double dip, and so, like I
probably it was more into like the athlete scene, but like,
you definitely can go into both, and I have friends
that did both. So yeah, it's kind of your preference,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But okay, cool, did you date anyone like while you were.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
At the school not from Berkeley, No, okay, cool, but.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You date people from other schools just not your own school.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah, I was like seeing people from other schools, but
I was like anti seeing anyone from Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So that was intentional. You didn't want to date and
wait from Berkeley.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
It was like unintentional, and then I realized, like in
the back of my mind, I was like, wait, no,
this is totally intentional.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So yeah, when I don't want to see you, like
I don't want to have.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
To I don't have to see you, and it's so nice.
And then they're like they're on FaceTime if you like
feel like calling them, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's okay. So like, now are you open to dating?
Are you dating?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I need to? Like, I am totally open. I'm super
single right now. And so I'm like, how am I
supposed to find someone postgrad? Like what what do we do?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Go on the Bachelor, Daisy?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Like you never know?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I know, you never know. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So do you use dating apps? Like if you don't know? Like, like,
what's what are your friends do?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
We?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Like, I've tried the dating apps, my friends have tried
the dating apps, and personally I hate it. I hate it.
I hate it. I feel like it's so superficial. The
people that I've met on there, It's like I've been
catfish before. And I'm like, I just am like I'm done.
I can't do it. I don't want to do it.
So I'm like, what do am I meeting these people
at bars? Is it like friends? Friends?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
What are people? What's the magic key to postgrad because
clearly I haven't found it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, so I think so. I Actually I was on
Hinge for like a while, like prior Bachelor, I did it,
and I would go on like Hinge dates. I agree
with you about the like dating apps and stuff. I
do know a couple of people who have like met
their like forever person and are now married or engage them.
(13:21):
But I would say I feel like the dating apps
are like good, just like if you want to start
dating and like go on random dates and they can
give you really good stories and they're really funny. But
I feel like a lot of my friends like have
met people honestly, like when they're at work things, which
like not somebody that works for like the company, like
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my best friends who my best friend who's getting married
in October, like she was like worked in San Francisco,
and then she was out in New York for work
and met this guy who's like also in finance, but
was like working at a different place and it was
just like a happy hour thing. And then my other friend.
I feel like, friends, where do you live? Are you selling?
(14:03):
Like San Francisco, California? Like San Pedro, like Pallasford's area.
Oh okay, cool, Yeah, I feel like a lot of
my friends. I've actually been setting up my one Like,
so my fiance has a friend that's like in LA,
and then a couple of my girlfriends are in LA.
So we've been like setting them up. So I feel
like a friend, like giving them plug is always good.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, is like I
need to start planning the seat of my friends. You're like,
let's get something new.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So coming from like the coming from like the big
brother side of things. Are you? Are you a like
a risk taker.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Risk taker and like career and like socially, But I
don't know, I've never like really taken big risks in dating.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So well, I'm just wondering, like I think, like from
my like being like out of the dating world for
so long and what I would do, and I think
this happened, Like so I was married before and then
got divorced, and I like, you know what, I don't
care anymore. I'm gonna ask out anybody and if they
say no, the worst thing they're going to do is
say no. And then like I think, like as as
I got you know, more great here, I think, uh,
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I think like I just learned that, like it didn't
matter what people thought. And I'm just wondering if like
if you put yourself in ten years from now or
whatever eight years from now, what would you tell yourself
to do, and if you could put your like putting
yourself out there might be like whatever sport used to play,
getting on another softball, volleyball, what you know, yeah, something
(15:34):
like that, just finding a way to meet more people. Yeah,
and then you then you'll probably get set up somehow.
Like yeah, like you're saying, okay, but that takes a risk,
you know, that's like that's putting yourself out there and
being really uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well I can talk to brick Wall,
So I'm like, honestly, maybe I could just do that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So yeah, that you should just like go for it
even if like you're out like at the bar or whatever,
just like going up to like random guys. I feel
like I remember me and my best friend, like you
used to This is gonna sound crazy when we were
both like very very single. We used to like make
bets about like who could talk to the most guys
in one night.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
But I kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Though it's crazy, but it was like so fun and
we met so many people.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Wait, I love it. That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You should. That's like, that's a good way to do.
That's a fun game.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I know. Give me to spice it up.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think just opening yourself up to more
and more people, Like you know, it's so easy to
get frustrated or uncomfortable or bummed out and whatnot. But
I think when you put yourself out there, and regardless
of what it is with through sports or volleyball or
bars or whatever, you're gonna meet some people in it
and hopefully at least they'll make you laugh and have
a good time. In best case scenario, maybe meet somebody.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, totally do you. I guess like people are like, oh,
it happens organically, and it just happens when it happens,
but like, at what point do you stop waiting for
it to happen organically or just like I'm just gonna
go for it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, I like think, like I do believe like it
happens when it's meant to happen. But I also think
that there's like a huge part of it of putting
yourself out there.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm like you, I'm like, screw it, just go
I mean I remember, I remember when it first hit me.
I was in a park I was in a parking
garage in Seattle, and this is right after my ex
and I split up, and I was like, she's cute.
Screw it. And when I you know, I didn't end
up being like, we didn't date long, but we went
on a handful of dates and it was super fun.
And yeah, I don't think it can hurt. I mean,
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the worst thing somebody's gonna say is like, nobod's gonna
say no to you unless they have a boyfriend or
girlfriend whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Yeah, makes sense, why not do mantra go for it?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Just go for it, HEARTYDM.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, honestly, Well, thank you so much Finling for coming on.
It was great chatting with you, and I thank loving me,
lots of love in the future.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Hopefully fingers crossed. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, okay, guys, So we have ava on and now
nice to meet you, Eva.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Nice to meet you. I live in Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Did you graduate or still in school?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I'm still in school, so I'm going to go into
my junior junior year next year.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh my gosh, so fun.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And are you dating?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Are you single?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's complicated, Okay, for listen, So I am single, but
I have been seeing the same guy for it's been
a little over like two months now, and.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You're recently technically exclusive. So whatever that means, Well, that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well why is that complicated?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think we haven't really talked about what that means.
And I don't think I want to be in a relationship, Okay,
And I've always thought that the term exclusive was like
kind of stupid, honestly, But now that I'm in this situation,
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I can see why, because I always thought it was
more of a cop out. Yeah, but now I'm the
one who doesn't really want to be in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Did you think he has any clue?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't know, But I also don't know if he
would be interested in being in a committed relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, so like would you be upset, Like, well, you're exclusive,
so like you wouldn't want him to like date another girl.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Right exactly. So we basically we didn't even use the
word exclusive, but.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We were kind of joking about it all the time,
like just making jokes about not wanting each other to
like see other people.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, But then one day we.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Actually like talked about it and we're like, okay, like
it would make me really uncomfortable, would make you uncomfortable
if we were like intimate in any way at all
with somebody else? And that was kind of all we said.
But it is interesting because it's the summer. We're spending
a lot of time together. A lot of my roommates
and friends are gone for the summer, and I'm staying
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your school and he's also here, so we're spending a
lot of time together and.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I think that complicates things too.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Is there anything to do with is that? Are you
spending more time because it's convenient or because you actually
really like him? Obviously you don't want to be exclusive,
but is it just a convenience?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I think it's more than convenience.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I definitely like spending time with him, you know, we
always have a good time together. It's just I really
like my independence, and I've only been in one relationship
in my life. I'm twenty, and I feel like I'm
just a busy girl.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I have a lot of things going.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm prettyious, and so I kind of have a fear
that having a boyfriend will like hold me back.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I also tend to not really trust a lot when
guys are telling me things.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So I think having that exclusive label is easier than
allowing myself to jump into a full relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, that makes it. I feel like when you're in
college too, like you have so much going on and
like so much you want to do. But I also
do think I think if it's like the last person
for sure, then it won't make those things harder, Like
in ways it can like help me get easier too.
So if you end up liking him a lot and
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you want to date and he's on the same page,
I don't think there's any harm in that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm wondering, like if you balanced out everything and if
you're like the reason I don't want to be exclusive
is because of my fear of whatever it is, projection
or trust or whatever it is what if that wasn't
would you if you didn't have that? And it's probably
hard to put yourself in that position, Like if you
didn't have that fear, do you think you would jump
in more or you still think you would want your freedom?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That's a good question. I think it's nuanced.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think that if I'm in a relationship, I want it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
To be like a serious relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So I want to talk about deep things and really
know the person and like love the person for who
they are. And I think we currently are very shallow,
and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but we've never
We've had like one or two more serious like talks
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just related to what was going on in our lives
that we like felt to share.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
But it's very shallow, and I like, I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
His friends or his family, and I like to see
the way people are with the people they love and
like care about, and so I don't think I could
get into relationship unless we actually started to get to
know each other on.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
A deeper level.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Are you curious?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And no. I think it feels easier to not try
and think about that too much and just let it
be fun. But it is something I've thought about and like,
especially with the summer, I want to continue seeing him.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
For the whole summer. I think he is too.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We've talked about, you know, doing things for the rest
of the summer, and I think it gets complicated when
deciding to like end that and make it a fun
some we are flying, you know, we had a good
time together, we respect each other, and it mellows out,
or if we do want to consider something serious, like
how do we progress into that?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So if you guys have advice.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
On where to move, how do you keep emotions out
of that? Anytime that I've spent time with people like
I remember this let's call her Jen in college that
we spent a ton of time together over like a
few few months period, and we never had those serious conversations,
and all of a sudden, like somebody would say, hey,
Sheeve's hanging out with John in another fraternity or anything.
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But after all this time, I started being building up
these feelings. And maybe I'm just like a mushy feeling guy,
but I'm just wondering, like, if you spend a whole
summer to me, it just seems like either A you
know it's good or B you're like, heck, no, Like,
how do you prevent those feelings from happening? Don't they
just happen? A M I just being dumb.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I feel like they happen. I feel like they haven't
for me. I feel like if you guys keep hanging out,
I feel like it's just gonna get deeper deeper.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And that's not bad either. Yeah, I know, as long
as he's introduces you to his friends and family and
people that so you can get to know him. Do
you think he knows that you want that? Yeah, or
that you wouldn't jump into a relationship unless you knew
more about him and his world.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't think he knows that.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I do know.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I've met a couple of his friends, but just very briefly.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And I am a pretty sensitive person, but I do
tend to be very guarded when it.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Comes to relationships.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I am very comfortable talking to like my friends
about how I feel. I'm very introspective. I write my
thoughts a lot, and I really overthink it. But when
it comes to like telling a guy, I a lot
of times just like leave it and said. And so
I don't think he knows where I stand at all.
But I also he hasn't opened up to me about
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what he thinks at all.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So it's such a thing being like through all this
stuff because like the way I think about it is
like I don't care if like my I guess my mentality.
I think you'll get there at some point hopefully, is
like if it works out, he'll he'll accept me for
what I want. And if it doesn't, and if he
doesn't accept me, there's I don't know, at least four
and a half billion other dudes out there that might
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accept me. I'm just like, do you think it's worth
asking or are you okay just kind of playing the
summer as it is.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think it's worth asking. I think he.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Might like me more than I like him, and so
I don't want to be the one to bring it
up and then have him try to progress it quickly
and me like kind of hold it back, like I
don't think I should be the one bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
But also that's just my interpretation. He could not want anything, So.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I feel like you could like feel it out a
little longer and then at some point I have that
conversation because also like I mean, college is phone and
it's good to have fun and like flings and stuff,
but like you don't want to waste too much of
your time if you're not that into it, and like
also his but I need to, like we need to
have you back on and like get an update at
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the end of summer.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I would love too. I would love to.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I feel like we want him on the show too.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I mean, I'm seeing him later.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I can get his opinion, get us a does he
know you were doing this?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah? I told him about it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
This is a great way to bring up the conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
This is awesome. Didn't say it.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I didn't tell him what it was about.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You could say this older dude who'd been through this
stuff has all these questions and put pen in on
me for why you're asking these questions. Yes, perfect, I
don't believe that dais. She's too sweet. Blame it on
the old guy.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Okay, sounds good. You could take all the blame totally.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He can get hit me up on Instagram and yell
at me all he wants, and I'll want to.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Think, how do you think I should approach like talking
about a sort of like what are we conversation?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Or like where do we see this going?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Well? I think it's almost the same thing, like if
you could be like if I'm you, I'm almost like, Okay,
I was on this podcast today and these two people
have been to dating and you may have seen date.
I'm too old, you wouldn't have seen me, but you
would have seen seen the Bachelor, And like, they brought
up something really interesting that I hadn't even thought about before.
So I think it's almost like you're blaming us for everything,
(28:28):
Like I haven't even thought about this because we're having
so much fun. Blah blah blah blah blah, We're having
so much fun. But you know what, it's crazy. What
do you think maybe with less emphastists on the salables,
but like a little more chill. But yeah, I think
you'd like it. Just sparked, sparked a thought on you,
sparked some thoughts in you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think that's I think what I've kind of been
planting scenes in his head is that my three best
friends are going through their own sort of situations, all
completely different, and so we will talk about that. And
he's also like met there situationships, and so when we
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talk about their situationships, I get a little bit in
his head about what he thinks about the way they're.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Going about things. But that might be a little toxic
of me.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I don't know, no, I mean, but I think if
you can be I think that's probably better than my idea.
But I think if you're just almost like god, whatever
your friend name is, Jenny's going through all this stuff,
like what do you think? Like I almost like the
idea of asking more questions versus like not like the
type of questions like can we get more exclusive or
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not exclusive? Almost like what do you think about this stuff?
Because then he'll innately. If you can get him opening
up about one or two things, he'll probably open up
about more things once it gets more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, totally. Well, we're gonna have to have you on
back at the end of summer for a recap. But
thank you so love that for coming on, and we're
gonna have to You're gonna have to fill us in
on how that's happens.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I will thank you guys for having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And before I go, I have to say, Daisy, I
am like a huge fan.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I love The Bachelor and I love you in your season,
so I'm fan growing a little bit trying to keep
it in.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was
great to meet you.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
It was so great meeting you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hello Georgia, nice to meet you.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Okay, Georgia, So where are you from. Where do you
go to school? Are you still in school?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yes, I'm actually about to go take my life last
final ever of college.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh congrats, Yeah, great school.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I met cal Poly in San Luis, Fispo.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
So I know this is like you guys are this
is like the Situationship episode?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Right, So are you dating? Are you seeing anyone?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I just actually on Friday said bye to a guy
I was talking to in the grade below me.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Actually, so I'm graduating.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
He left school a few weeks early to go to
an internship in New York City. So that was like
brought up in the first conversation we had when we
met earlier this year.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
He was like, oh, yeah, like you.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Know, and and then this summer, I have this internship
in New York City and I'm going to leave school
a little early. But that was like that seemed so
far in the future that like I didn't think about it,
and then it just like got really serious, really fast.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
And then all of a sudden, like on Friday, like
saying bye.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
It was just like so drama and like it was
like seemed like the biggest deal ever and like obviously
coping with it super fresh. But I think that that
was this like kind of a unique situation and the
scheme of like the situationships I've have had.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So was it like were you like by like we're
done talking, We're not going to see each other, or
was it like.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Like yeah, because just I'm I'm going and moving to
San Francisco, He's gonna come back here to school. We
both actually like this was one of like the first
kind of like bigger conversations we had. We just knew
that like we weren't long distance people, like we both
have done long distance relationships before, and I think it
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was like mature of us both to recognize, like I
he's this is what he said, Like it brought out
he was like it brought out parts of me that
like I didn't really like, Like it brought out like
jealousy and like I was or even become like controlling
over my long distance girlfriend, and like I didn't like
that side of me. And like I know that, like
jealousy would totally also come into play, Like I'm at
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my new nine to five job and like I'm checking
his location, like, oh, he's at the bars, like at
my college bars. Like I just knew like that wasn't
going to be good for my mental So.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That's really mature just to even realize, like put that
in the words yeah, because most people would just jump
into it, you know, long distance relationships and be like yeah,
we'll figure it out right, But to know your tendencies,
that's that's pretty cool that you guys both are realizing that.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
No, I was happy that he was able to like
we were able to both kind of agree on that
because like, for as good as it was, like they
were genuinely like I think it was, it was like
around a six month situationship, so we didn't really get
to the point where we like could discover like the
like bad parts yet, so it all, like in all
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was like so positive. Like I genuinely don't really have
bad things to say about it, but I think that
like this is what we actually said on Friday when
we're saying bye, We're like this is like great, it's
sending this way instead of like letting you know, if
we were to do long distance and like try it,
like we kind of know these bad things would get
in the way.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, for sure. And I feel like also too, like
you ending like college and stuff and like going into
like a job and like stuff like that, and then
him still being at college, Like I feel like it
will be a good like separation and then you never
know like maybe in the future, you know what I mean.
But I also don't wait on it, like you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Should go yeah, totally, yeah, I I'm hoping like yeah,
like we never know and like never say never, but
I'm I think, like I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I like it doesn't make me any.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Less excited to like go start my new era too,
Like it's totally sad, but oh for sure it.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Sounds I mean it's like like I really think it's
super mature. But is there any part of you that
it's like what if?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Oh for sure, Like I really like this guy, Like
he was like especially like because I will say, like
my prior situationships like my friends, and I would almost
like laugh at how night and day. It was like
he like checked boxes like I didn't even know existed
for me, Like he was great.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
He truly was.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
So I think that there is a part of me
that's like, oh my god, like of course, like this
one time, like you know, I meet this guy and
like he's like checking all these boxes that like I've
always wanted.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Like of course, I like like especially.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
This week and like with him being gone, I think
it's like now when like five days like like yeah,
I'm like playing that over in my head, like what
if we just like tried and we we we established
like we weren't gonna go no contact, like in a
weird way, like that's just been almost harder because but yeah,
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I definitely have those what ifs for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I totally get it, and like and I do
think you guys are doing the mature thing. But there's
also no right or wrong, right there are people that
figure this stuff out. And if you were the one
to say like after a month or two and you're
like you know what, I'm kind of curious, like don't
beat yourself up because there's no rule.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, I like like this whole like there's no especially
in dating you're talking to people went on TV, like
there's no black or white, Like I think dating is
mostly in the gray. It's like how you meet somebody,
what you do with them, if it's worth it, if
it's not worth it, and you know, usually it doesn't
work out right, Like you know what ninety five percent
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of the time is not going to work out. But
what if this one is the possibility? I would keep
yourself open to everything or and don't ignore those feelings,
like like if they're real feelings, you know, don't I
wouldn't sy ignore them. I'm not saying like stock him
down again, but I would bet that he would be
having similar feelings.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Yeah, that's like, yeah, definitely puts that idea in my head.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think there's kind of like this epidemic right now
of like like chill girl syndrome where like I want
to act like I don't care and like I'm not
thinking about it like if I am, and like I
want him to be the one to bring it up.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
I think that's like every girl's mentality.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
But no, you're totally right, Like I think that like
there is no playbook and it's like I don't have
to listen to that.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I think guys are just as scared as a girl.
I mean, granted there are people that they're in college
and they're like I just want to date and play
the field, like and there's a time in life that
for that, but it doesn't last forever. Like if he's
gotten through that, or you've gotten through that and you're
looking for something different, like it again, I would just
realize that it may work out still and that's cool,
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and it may not work out and that's okay, but
be open to anything. Yeah, definitely don't close off your feelings.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I would say that too, because you never know how
it's going to end up, like if you don't like
give something one hundred and ten percent, like yeah, my
older sister always told me that, but also like like
live your life too. But if you still have those feelings,
like there's no reason why you guys can't reconnect.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, yeah, I know that's that's like you guys are
getting my wheels turning.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, we don't want to. I don't want to flip
you by any means, but but what you want to do.
But like I think starting off, how mature you were
just knowing that, and if you stick with that, like hey,
like let's say you decided to try it again and
all of a sudden, like these weird feelings are coming
up and it's like destroying you. Like like I have
a friend who went through the same thing, and he
was dating this girl, you know, five hours away, and
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all of a sudden it was destroying him and she
was doing things that shouldn't have been doing but she did.
Just didn't get out of her system yet, and then
six months later she was ready to be more serious
because she finally got to that point.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So yeah, live your life. I feel like, no matter what,
it's going to work out the way it was supposed to.
But thank you so much for coming on. You're so sweet.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Oh wait, same to you, guys.
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Welcome back to another episode
of Dirty Rush. I'm Daisy Kent, and today I'm joined
by Jason Mesnik. We're here to talk all things dating
and to find out will sorority situationship survive this summer. Well,
we're taking calls from sorority girls to hear their best
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and worst sorority situationship stories and giving relationship advice. Okay, so, Jason,
I know you went to the University of Washington, right,
What was the dating scene like there when you were there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So back in nineteen forty five. No, it's funny, like
I just thinking about this conversation and putting myself into
like maybe the listener's eyes or ears. I probably was
the one who's played the most the dating scene. Like
I was in a fraternity for two years and eventually,
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you know, I had a job outside of that, so
I could I did live in more than two years.
But my recollection through all that is most people in
the Greek system date people in the Greek system, and
those who escaped that may have may or may not
have been happier at the end of the day, but
like it's it's like I have a lot of good
memories from it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. I remember because so I went to
San Diego State and I remember I was in a
sorority and the dating scene it was like what you
were saying, like, I feel like everyone in Greek life
dated people in Greek life. And then I remember it
was always like drama and stuff when people like broke
up because then like the guy would start talking to
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a girl in like like rivalry sorority talking to a
guy in like a rivalry fat So I remember just
being like all this drama and chaos, but it was
also like so fun.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well somehow for me it feels like it wasn't that
long ago. But I've got a son who's in a
fraternity now in watching and he's a good kid, don't
get me wrong. Like he had a girlfriend going into
college and then they kind of dated her on and
off a little bit at the beginning. But now the
stage he's in, well, OK, let's say it. For the
about a year and a half, he was like, I
don't want a girlfriend. I've been through too much drama.
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So I think he was playing the field for a
little bit, but I think after a couple of years
and now he's going to be a senior next year
all of a sudden, like maybe it just takes a
while for us dudes to grow up. But I was
probably the same way. But I'm seeing it again firsthand.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's so funny. I bet that's like fun to like
look back on and also like watch him like experience
at all.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
The funny thing that I think about is and it's
not even the dating piece, Like he's twenty one now,
but right before he turned twenty one, he was like, hey, dad,
can you start buying? Bring me a couple of gallons
of vodka? And I'm like, well, hold on, bro, like
one thing like you when you could wait two weeks
and two like heck no, no, not like a beer,
but like handles of vodka.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's hilarious. I remember when I moved into college too,
like my I was honestly very lucky, me and my
roommate because her older brother was a senior at the time,
and so he would come like drop us off alcohol
at our dorm run and you would like have them
in like hydro flasks, like the big like hydros. Oh yeah,
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just like bring it up in that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But like, so when you in your in your sorority though,
did you were you in a sority where like you
didn't live in first, like you lived in the dorms
at first, and then you eventually moved in or were
you in the sorority right away?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah? So I lived in the dorms freshman year. Sophomore
year I lived on like an on campus apartment because
I was out of state and had to live in
or live on campus. And then junior year, I lived
in the sorority house for like the sororities at SCSU
at the time, it was like some girls, like a
few girls lived in when they were sophomores, but then
like everyone lived in when a lot of girls lived
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in when they were juniors. But then I went abroad
my junior second semester. But I loved living in the house.
It was like so much fun. And then senior year,
everybody moves to Pacific Beach.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh that sounds terrible. Yeah, you got to move to Pacific. Yeah,
but I think they're all so different, Like I think
about it. Like Molly, my wife, so she went to
Indiana and she's like, there were two hundred people in
her sorority. And I thought our fraternities and sororities were big.
They had about one hundred, but I'm like thinking double
the size. It's like an elementary school. You don't even
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know half the people or it seems like that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, that is it's like so crazy. I remember I
knew everyone pretty much. I want to say ours was
like probably around that size, maybe a little bigger. But
as we got like older, people like dwindled out. I
felt like. But I remember, I think like my pledge
class was like seventyish girls.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's yeah, so you busted me because I meant ours
was probably half that we had. Yeah, you probably had
two hundred people.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean I could be wrong, but I think
it was like seventy. But then I know, like, yeah,
as we got older, it dwindled down. But I knew
everyone pretty much, like in my pledge class, and I
feel like half in the grade above and half in
the grade below.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh gotcha? Yeah, do you have so you have good
memories of it?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I also actually so my fiance now Thor, we actually
dated when we were in college and he was in
one of the frats.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Did you date early on in college with him?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Or so?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We were like best friends. So we moved into the
dorm and I was on a co ed floor in
the dorm, and then we shared like a wall, like
right next to him was him and my friend Alex.
So they became like my really good guy friends, and
then we were just friends. And then the like end
of our sophomore year beginning of junior year, we dated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Did you ever ask him if he wanted to date earlier?
He's like, yeah, I want to be friends with this
really pretty girl. It'd be really cool to be just
friends with her.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, no, not.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I'd be curious what he says.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, I should ask him. But I mean one time,
like freshman year, he tried to kiss me and I.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Was like, what, see he wanted something?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I was Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like really confused. But then we like dated for a
while but then went back to being friends. But it
was kind of funny too because I remember, like freshman year,
we were such good friends, and like he was in
SIGAP and I was in Alpha FE and that was
like one of the like frats and sororities that always
hung out together. But I remember like just because like
we lived next door to them, so like a lot
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of the guys would always come over there, and like
when they would go to the frat house, like be
in my roommate Christy would go with them, so we
got to see like a lot of the drama and
the things that were happening. And I remember like learning
that like older girls were like hooking up with some
of the like freshman guys, and me and Christy felt
like we knew like all the tea about it. But
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it's just like such like or like it's such a
funny like atmosphere, like the whole frat and sorority thing.
But it's like, I'm so happy I did it. It
was so fun.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, I mean you just meet so many really good people,
Like I always people always ask me, at least through
the years, they're like, so, did you like everybody? I'm like,
I don't know. It feels like it's like any group
of people. There's people that you really like, there's people
you don't really know or don't really care, and then
there's people you just don't get along with. But in general,
it's just a really cool atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. For sure, And I feel like college two is
such an interesting time because it's the first time you're
kind of like completely on your own, like away from
your parents, and it's like so I feel like you're
all like bonding and like learning together, which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I just think about being a freshman and going in
there and it's your really first experience. Like maybe you
were independent, you at a job in high school and
all that kind of stuff, but you're out on your own.
You could do what you want, you can stay up
as late as you want, you can drink as much
as you want, you literally whoever you want. Just that
freedom is so like intoxicating it first.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, it's like so fun. It's like terrifying, like for me,
Like I remember it because my two younger siblings, so
they're like five and six years younger than me, and
I remember when they were going to college. I was like, wait,
I'm kind of worried. I'm like, it's just it's so
like different but so fun.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, Like it's just funny going it's just funny going
through it again. And like like I know the sororities
don't do as much as are any of the hazing stuff,
but even on the flip side, like I'm sure you
talked to Thor about this at some point, and seeing
my son go through all this stuff with initiation week
and all that kind of stuff, Like did that ever
come up with? Like do girls ever talk about that
when they know the guys are going through it?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean, I feel like when I was like a
freshman and like going through like recruitment and in my sorority,
I mean girls like you don't, I mean you have
like big little but like I remember the guys just
being like so tired all the time, and like a
lot of my guy friends had to get up like
I feel like theirs was more like mentally hard, and
they would have to get up at like four or
five am and go like run this hill that was
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right by our campus like every morning or something for
like a month, and it was like a pretty like tall.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I wonder, iful, I guess I've always wonder if the
girls felt bad or they're like those guys are so
dumb they would go through this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I think I didn't really realize at the time, like
what it was like all like entailing, and then as
like time went on, I was like, oh, really, like
you guys had to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So yeah, like ours was probably pretty same too, But
like the worst thing was like you started off and
it's you know, I don't even think it was a
full week. It was like five or six days. You
kind of lay on the ground. You're in this room
in the basement, and they add you bring us cardboard
box that you'd sleep on.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
First.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The first night you sleep inside this giant cardboard box,
but they played me the music like at full blast,
like bouncing off the walls, so you can't sleep. And
then the next night they're like, well, it's gonna get worse,
so you gotta like they break down the cardboard box.
You sleep on top of the cardboard box, and then
do the same thing again with the music loud, and
eventually you're just sleeping on like a little slip of paper,
like on a hardwood floor, like and you just can't sleep.
(09:57):
And I think I do think that the worst part
of as the lack of sleep. But I just always
wondered what the girls thought.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, No, I feel like I remember like looking at
some of my like family friends that are like younger
and stuff when they would come back, and I was like,
how's like recruit or rush going and they were like,
it's okay, okay, so we have Finley on right now.
Thanks for coming on, Finley.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Of course, of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You're just telling us you graduated from UC Berkeley, right, Yes,
I did. How was it there, Like, what was the
dating scene?
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Like, oh my gosh, it's definitely different. Like it's I
would say, like if you were in a Greek life,
like you kind of dated within Greek life and if
you were like an athlete, you were kind of dating
within the athletes, and so like I did both. I
was an athlete and on Greek life. But it I mean,
(10:54):
I feel like the dating scene honestly, all my friends
that I was close with were single for most of it,
so it was kind of dry.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But well, what about when somebody was an athlete and
in the Greek life, can you double dip?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, you can definitely double dip, and so, like I
probably it was more into like the athlete scene, but like,
you definitely can go into both, and I have friends
that did both. So yeah, it's kind of your preference,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But okay, cool, did you date anyone like while you were.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
At the school not from Berkeley, No, okay, cool, but.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You date people from other schools just not your own school.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah, I was like seeing people from other schools, but
I was like anti seeing anyone from Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So that was intentional. You didn't want to date and
wait from Berkeley.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
It was like unintentional, and then I realized, like in
the back of my mind, I was like, wait, no,
this is totally intentional.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So yeah, when I don't want to see you, like
I don't want to have.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
To I don't have to see you, and it's so nice.
And then they're like they're on FaceTime if you like
feel like calling them, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's okay. So like, now are you open to dating?
Are you dating?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I need to? Like, I am totally open. I'm super
single right now. And so I'm like, how am I
supposed to find someone postgrad? Like what what do we do?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Go on the Bachelor, Daisy?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Like you never know?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I know, you never know. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So do you use dating apps? Like if you don't know? Like, like,
what's what are your friends do?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
We?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Like, I've tried the dating apps, my friends have tried
the dating apps, and personally I hate it. I hate it.
I hate it. I feel like it's so superficial. The
people that I've met on there, It's like I've been
catfish before. And I'm like, I just am like I'm done.
I can't do it. I don't want to do it.
So I'm like, what do am I meeting these people
at bars? Is it like friends? Friends?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
What are people? What's the magic key to postgrad because
clearly I haven't found it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, so I think so. I Actually I was on
Hinge for like a while, like prior Bachelor, I did it,
and I would go on like Hinge dates. I agree
with you about the like dating apps and stuff. I
do know a couple of people who have like met
their like forever person and are now married or engage them.
(13:21):
But I would say I feel like the dating apps
are like good, just like if you want to start
dating and like go on random dates and they can
give you really good stories and they're really funny. But
I feel like a lot of my friends like have
met people honestly, like when they're at work things, which
like not somebody that works for like the company, like
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my best friends who my best friend who's getting married
in October, like she was like worked in San Francisco,
and then she was out in New York for work
and met this guy who's like also in finance, but
was like working at a different place and it was
just like a happy hour thing. And then my other friend.
I feel like, friends, where do you live? Are you selling?
(14:03):
Like San Francisco, California? Like San Pedro, like Pallasford's area.
Oh okay, cool, Yeah, I feel like a lot of
my friends. I've actually been setting up my one Like,
so my fiance has a friend that's like in LA,
and then a couple of my girlfriends are in LA.
So we've been like setting them up. So I feel
like a friend, like giving them plug is always good.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, is like I
need to start planning the seat of my friends. You're like,
let's get something new.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So coming from like the coming from like the big
brother side of things. Are you? Are you a like
a risk taker.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Risk taker and like career and like socially, But I
don't know, I've never like really taken big risks in dating.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So well, I'm just wondering, like I think, like from
my like being like out of the dating world for
so long and what I would do, and I think
this happened, Like so I was married before and then
got divorced, and I like, you know what, I don't
care anymore. I'm gonna ask out anybody and if they
say no, the worst thing they're going to do is
say no. And then like I think, like as as
I got you know, more great here, I think, uh,
(15:13):
I think like I just learned that, like it didn't
matter what people thought. And I'm just wondering if like
if you put yourself in ten years from now or
whatever eight years from now, what would you tell yourself
to do, and if you could put your like putting
yourself out there might be like whatever sport used to play,
getting on another softball, volleyball, what you know, yeah, something
(15:34):
like that, just finding a way to meet more people. Yeah,
and then you then you'll probably get set up somehow.
Like yeah, like you're saying, okay, but that takes a risk,
you know, that's like that's putting yourself out there and
being really uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well I can talk to brick Wall,
So I'm like, honestly, maybe I could just do that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So yeah, that you should just like go for it
even if like you're out like at the bar or whatever,
just like going up to like random guys. I feel
like I remember me and my best friend, like you
used to This is gonna sound crazy when we were
both like very very single. We used to like make
bets about like who could talk to the most guys
in one night.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
But I kind of love it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Though it's crazy, but it was like so fun and
we met so many people.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Wait, I love it. That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You should. That's like, that's a good way to do.
That's a fun game.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I know. Give me to spice it up.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think just opening yourself up to more
and more people, Like you know, it's so easy to
get frustrated or uncomfortable or bummed out and whatnot. But
I think when you put yourself out there, and regardless
of what it is with through sports or volleyball or
bars or whatever, you're gonna meet some people in it
and hopefully at least they'll make you laugh and have
a good time. In best case scenario, maybe meet somebody.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, totally do you. I guess like people are like, oh,
it happens organically, and it just happens when it happens,
but like, at what point do you stop waiting for
it to happen organically or just like I'm just gonna
go for it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, I like think, like I do believe like it
happens when it's meant to happen. But I also think
that there's like a huge part of it of putting
yourself out there.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I'm like you, I'm like, screw it, just go
I mean I remember, I remember when it first hit me.
I was in a park I was in a parking
garage in Seattle, and this is right after my ex
and I split up, and I was like, she's cute.
Screw it. And when I you know, I didn't end
up being like, we didn't date long, but we went
on a handful of dates and it was super fun.
And yeah, I don't think it can hurt. I mean,
(17:34):
the worst thing somebody's gonna say is like, nobod's gonna
say no to you unless they have a boyfriend or
girlfriend whatever.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Yeah, makes sense, why not do mantra go for it?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Just go for it, HEARTYDM.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, honestly, Well, thank you so much Finling for coming on.
It was great chatting with you, and I thank loving me,
lots of love in the future.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Hopefully fingers crossed. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, okay, guys, So we have ava on and now
nice to meet you, Eva.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Nice to meet you. I live in Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Did you graduate or still in school?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I'm still in school, so I'm going to go into
my junior junior year next year.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh my gosh, so fun.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And are you dating?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Are you single?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's complicated, Okay, for listen, So I am single, but
I have been seeing the same guy for it's been
a little over like two months now, and.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You're recently technically exclusive. So whatever that means, Well, that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well why is that complicated?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think we haven't really talked about what that means.
And I don't think I want to be in a relationship, Okay,
And I've always thought that the term exclusive was like
kind of stupid, honestly, But now that I'm in this situation,
(19:24):
I can see why, because I always thought it was
more of a cop out. Yeah, but now I'm the
one who doesn't really want to be in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Did you think he has any clue?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't know, But I also don't know if he
would be interested in being in a committed relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, so like would you be upset, Like, well, you're exclusive,
so like you wouldn't want him to like date another girl.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Right exactly. So we basically we didn't even use the
word exclusive, but.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We were kind of joking about it all the time,
like just making jokes about not wanting each other to
like see other people.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, But then one day we.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Actually like talked about it and we're like, okay, like
it would make me really uncomfortable, would make you uncomfortable
if we were like intimate in any way at all
with somebody else? And that was kind of all we said.
But it is interesting because it's the summer. We're spending
a lot of time together. A lot of my roommates
and friends are gone for the summer, and I'm staying
(20:35):
your school and he's also here, so we're spending a
lot of time together and.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I think that complicates things too.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Is there anything to do with is that? Are you
spending more time because it's convenient or because you actually
really like him? Obviously you don't want to be exclusive,
but is it just a convenience?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I think it's more than convenience.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I definitely like spending time with him, you know, we
always have a good time together. It's just I really
like my independence, and I've only been in one relationship
in my life. I'm twenty, and I feel like I'm
just a busy girl.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
I have a lot of things going.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm prettyious, and so I kind of have a fear
that having a boyfriend will like hold me back.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I also tend to not really trust a lot when
guys are telling me things.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
So I think having that exclusive label is easier than
allowing myself to jump into a full relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, that makes it. I feel like when you're in
college too, like you have so much going on and
like so much you want to do. But I also
do think I think if it's like the last person
for sure, then it won't make those things harder, Like
in ways it can like help me get easier too.
So if you end up liking him a lot and
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you want to date and he's on the same page,
I don't think there's any harm in that.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm wondering, like if you balanced out everything and if
you're like the reason I don't want to be exclusive
is because of my fear of whatever it is, projection
or trust or whatever it is what if that wasn't
would you if you didn't have that? And it's probably
hard to put yourself in that position, Like if you
didn't have that fear, do you think you would jump
in more or you still think you would want your freedom?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That's a good question. I think it's nuanced.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think that if I'm in a relationship, I want it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
To be like a serious relationship.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So I want to talk about deep things and really
know the person and like love the person for who
they are. And I think we currently are very shallow,
and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but we've never
We've had like one or two more serious like talks
(23:03):
just related to what was going on in our lives
that we like felt to share.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
But it's very shallow, and I like, I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
His friends or his family, and I like to see
the way people are with the people they love and
like care about, and so I don't think I could
get into relationship unless we actually started to get to
know each other on.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
A deeper level.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Are you curious?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And no. I think it feels easier to not try
and think about that too much and just let it
be fun. But it is something I've thought about and like,
especially with the summer, I want to continue seeing him.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
For the whole summer. I think he is too.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
We've talked about, you know, doing things for the rest
of the summer, and I think it gets complicated when
deciding to like end that and make it a fun
some we are flying, you know, we had a good
time together, we respect each other, and it mellows out,
or if we do want to consider something serious, like
how do we progress into that?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So if you guys have advice.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
On where to move, how do you keep emotions out
of that? Anytime that I've spent time with people like
I remember this let's call her Jen in college that
we spent a ton of time together over like a
few few months period, and we never had those serious conversations,
and all of a sudden, like somebody would say, hey,
Sheeve's hanging out with John in another fraternity or anything.
(24:33):
But after all this time, I started being building up
these feelings. And maybe I'm just like a mushy feeling guy,
but I'm just wondering, like, if you spend a whole
summer to me, it just seems like either A you
know it's good or B you're like, heck, no, Like,
how do you prevent those feelings from happening? Don't they
just happen? A M I just being dumb.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I feel like they happen. I feel like they haven't
for me. I feel like if you guys keep hanging out,
I feel like it's just gonna get deeper deeper.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And that's not bad either. Yeah, I know, as long
as he's introduces you to his friends and family and
people that so you can get to know him. Do
you think he knows that you want that? Yeah, or
that you wouldn't jump into a relationship unless you knew
more about him and his world.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I don't think he knows that.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I do know.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I've met a couple of his friends, but just very briefly.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And I am a pretty sensitive person, but I do
tend to be very guarded when it.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Comes to relationships.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I am very comfortable talking to like my friends
about how I feel. I'm very introspective. I write my
thoughts a lot, and I really overthink it. But when
it comes to like telling a guy, I a lot
of times just like leave it and said. And so
I don't think he knows where I stand at all.
But I also he hasn't opened up to me about
(25:56):
what he thinks at all.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So it's such a thing being like through all this
stuff because like the way I think about it is
like I don't care if like my I guess my mentality.
I think you'll get there at some point hopefully, is
like if it works out, he'll he'll accept me for
what I want. And if it doesn't, and if he
doesn't accept me, there's I don't know, at least four
and a half billion other dudes out there that might
(26:20):
accept me. I'm just like, do you think it's worth
asking or are you okay just kind of playing the
summer as it is.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think it's worth asking. I think he.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Might like me more than I like him, and so
I don't want to be the one to bring it
up and then have him try to progress it quickly
and me like kind of hold it back, like I
don't think I should be the one bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
But also that's just my interpretation. He could not want anything, So.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I feel like you could like feel it out a
little longer and then at some point I have that
conversation because also like I mean, college is phone and
it's good to have fun and like flings and stuff,
but like you don't want to waste too much of
your time if you're not that into it, and like
also his but I need to, like we need to
have you back on and like get an update at
(27:14):
the end of summer.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I would love too. I would love to.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I feel like we want him on the show too.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I mean, I'm seeing him later.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I can get his opinion, get us a does he
know you were doing this?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah? I told him about it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
This is a great way to bring up the conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
This is awesome. Didn't say it.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I didn't tell him what it was about.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You could say this older dude who'd been through this
stuff has all these questions and put pen in on
me for why you're asking these questions. Yes, perfect, I
don't believe that dais. She's too sweet. Blame it on
the old guy.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Okay, sounds good. You could take all the blame totally.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He can get hit me up on Instagram and yell
at me all he wants, and I'll want to.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Think, how do you think I should approach like talking
about a sort of like what are we conversation?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Or like where do we see this going?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Well? I think it's almost the same thing, like if
you could be like if I'm you, I'm almost like, Okay,
I was on this podcast today and these two people
have been to dating and you may have seen date.
I'm too old, you wouldn't have seen me, but you
would have seen seen the Bachelor, And like, they brought
up something really interesting that I hadn't even thought about before.
So I think it's almost like you're blaming us for everything,
(28:28):
Like I haven't even thought about this because we're having
so much fun. Blah blah blah blah blah, We're having
so much fun. But you know what, it's crazy. What
do you think maybe with less emphastists on the salables,
but like a little more chill. But yeah, I think
you'd like it. Just sparked, sparked a thought on you,
sparked some thoughts in you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think that's I think what I've kind of been
planting scenes in his head is that my three best
friends are going through their own sort of situations, all
completely different, and so we will talk about that. And
he's also like met there situationships, and so when we
(29:16):
talk about their situationships, I get a little bit in
his head about what he thinks about the way they're.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Going about things. But that might be a little toxic
of me.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I don't know, no, I mean, but I think if
you can be I think that's probably better than my idea.
But I think if you're just almost like god, whatever
your friend name is, Jenny's going through all this stuff,
like what do you think? Like I almost like the
idea of asking more questions versus like not like the
type of questions like can we get more exclusive or
(29:46):
not exclusive? Almost like what do you think about this stuff?
Because then he'll innately. If you can get him opening
up about one or two things, he'll probably open up
about more things once it gets more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, totally. Well, we're gonna have to have you on
back at the end of summer for a recap. But
thank you so love that for coming on, and we're
gonna have to You're gonna have to fill us in
on how that's happens.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I will thank you guys for having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And before I go, I have to say, Daisy, I
am like a huge fan.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I love The Bachelor and I love you in your season,
so I'm fan growing a little bit trying to keep
it in.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was
great to meet you.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
It was so great meeting you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hello Georgia, nice to meet you.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Okay, Georgia, So where are you from. Where do you
go to school? Are you still in school?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yes, I'm actually about to go take my life last
final ever of college.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh congrats, Yeah, great school.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I met cal Poly in San Luis, Fispo.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
So I know this is like you guys are this
is like the Situationship episode?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Right, So are you dating? Are you seeing anyone?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I just actually on Friday said bye to a guy
I was talking to in the grade below me.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Actually, so I'm graduating.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
He left school a few weeks early to go to
an internship in New York City. So that was like
brought up in the first conversation we had when we
met earlier this year.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
He was like, oh, yeah, like you.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Know, and and then this summer, I have this internship
in New York City and I'm going to leave school
a little early. But that was like that seemed so
far in the future that like I didn't think about it,
and then it just like got really serious, really fast.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
And then all of a sudden, like on Friday, like
saying bye.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
It was just like so drama and like it was
like seemed like the biggest deal ever and like obviously
coping with it super fresh. But I think that that
was this like kind of a unique situation and the
scheme of like the situationships I've have had.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So was it like were you like by like we're
done talking, We're not going to see each other, or
was it like.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Like yeah, because just I'm I'm going and moving to
San Francisco, He's gonna come back here to school. We
both actually like this was one of like the first
kind of like bigger conversations we had. We just knew
that like we weren't long distance people, like we both
have done long distance relationships before, and I think it
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was like mature of us both to recognize, like I
he's this is what he said, Like it brought out
he was like it brought out parts of me that
like I didn't really like, Like it brought out like
jealousy and like I was or even become like controlling
over my long distance girlfriend, and like I didn't like
that side of me. And like I know that, like
jealousy would totally also come into play, Like I'm at
(33:09):
my new nine to five job and like I'm checking
his location, like, oh, he's at the bars, like at
my college bars. Like I just knew like that wasn't
going to be good for my mental So.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That's really mature just to even realize, like put that
in the words yeah, because most people would just jump
into it, you know, long distance relationships and be like yeah,
we'll figure it out right, But to know your tendencies,
that's that's pretty cool that you guys both are realizing that.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
No, I was happy that he was able to like
we were able to both kind of agree on that
because like, for as good as it was, like they
were genuinely like I think it was, it was like
around a six month situationship, so we didn't really get
to the point where we like could discover like the
like bad parts yet, so it all, like in all
(33:54):
was like so positive. Like I genuinely don't really have
bad things to say about it, but I think that
like this is what we actually said on Friday when
we're saying bye, We're like this is like great, it's
sending this way instead of like letting you know, if
we were to do long distance and like try it,
like we kind of know these bad things would get
in the way.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, for sure. And I feel like also too, like
you ending like college and stuff and like going into
like a job and like stuff like that, and then
him still being at college, Like I feel like it
will be a good like separation and then you never
know like maybe in the future, you know what I mean.
But I also don't wait on it, like you.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Should go yeah, totally, yeah, I I'm hoping like yeah,
like we never know and like never say never, but
I'm I think, like I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I like it doesn't make me any.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Less excited to like go start my new era too,
Like it's totally sad, but oh for sure it.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Sounds I mean it's like like I really think it's
super mature. But is there any part of you that
it's like what if?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Oh for sure, Like I really like this guy, Like
he was like especially like because I will say, like
my prior situationships like my friends, and I would almost
like laugh at how night and day. It was like
he like checked boxes like I didn't even know existed
for me, Like he was great.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
He truly was.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
So I think that there is a part of me
that's like, oh my god, like of course, like this
one time, like you know, I meet this guy and
like he's like checking all these boxes that like I've
always wanted.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Like of course, I like like especially.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
This week and like with him being gone, I think
it's like now when like five days like like yeah,
I'm like playing that over in my head, like what
if we just like tried and we we we established
like we weren't gonna go no contact, like in a
weird way, like that's just been almost harder because but yeah,
(35:56):
I definitely have those what ifs for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I totally get it, and like and I do
think you guys are doing the mature thing. But there's
also no right or wrong, right there are people that
figure this stuff out. And if you were the one
to say like after a month or two and you're
like you know what, I'm kind of curious, like don't
beat yourself up because there's no rule.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, I like like this whole like there's no especially
in dating you're talking to people went on TV, like
there's no black or white, Like I think dating is
mostly in the gray. It's like how you meet somebody,
what you do with them, if it's worth it, if
it's not worth it, and you know, usually it doesn't
work out right, Like you know what ninety five percent
(36:38):
of the time is not going to work out. But
what if this one is the possibility? I would keep
yourself open to everything or and don't ignore those feelings,
like like if they're real feelings, you know, don't I
wouldn't sy ignore them. I'm not saying like stock him
down again, but I would bet that he would be
having similar feelings.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Yeah, that's like, yeah, definitely puts that idea in my head.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think there's kind of like this epidemic right now
of like like chill girl syndrome where like I want
to act like I don't care and like I'm not
thinking about it like if I am, and like I
want him to be the one to bring it up.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
I think that's like every girl's mentality.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
But no, you're totally right, Like I think that like
there is no playbook and it's like I don't have
to listen to that.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I think guys are just as scared as a girl.
I mean, granted there are people that they're in college
and they're like I just want to date and play
the field, like and there's a time in life that
for that, but it doesn't last forever. Like if he's
gotten through that, or you've gotten through that and you're
looking for something different, like it again, I would just
realize that it may work out still and that's cool,
(37:48):
and it may not work out and that's okay, but
be open to anything. Yeah, definitely don't close off your feelings.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I would say that too, because you never know how
it's going to end up, like if you don't like
give something one hundred and ten percent, like yeah, my
older sister always told me that, but also like like
live your life too. But if you still have those feelings,
like there's no reason why you guys can't reconnect.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, yeah, I know that's that's like you guys are
getting my wheels turning.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, we don't want to. I don't want to flip
you by any means, but but what you want to do.
But like I think starting off, how mature you were
just knowing that, and if you stick with that, like hey,
like let's say you decided to try it again and
all of a sudden, like these weird feelings are coming
up and it's like destroying you. Like like I have
a friend who went through the same thing, and he
was dating this girl, you know, five hours away, and
(38:42):
all of a sudden it was destroying him and she
was doing things that shouldn't have been doing but she did.
Just didn't get out of her system yet, and then
six months later she was ready to be more serious
because she finally got to that point.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So yeah, live your life. I feel like, no matter what,
it's going to work out the way it was supposed to.
But thank you so much for coming on. You're so sweet.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Oh wait, same to you, guys.
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