June 1, 2026 • 49 mins
Ben and Ronnie from Watch What Crappens join Gia to break down their BravoCon experience, which Housewives they love to parody, and what actually makes a real Bravo moment. Plus, they weigh in on the Bethenny vs. Lexi drama and why they think Bravo deserves way more credit than it gets.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
I have two very exciting guests today, Ben and Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hey bye. How's it going good?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Good? How are you guys doing great? Ny?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What has life been looking like for the both of you?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Oh, my gosh, life. Well, we're getting a cabaret together
to do in New York. So we're writing a bunch
of really stupid songs that we're gonna sing as Bravo characters.
So that's what we're doing right now. So it's a
lot of just you know, sitting at home singing to
ourselves in ridiculous voices.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Wait, can I hear some of the people who you're
gonna be doing?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm going to do like a number as Bethany Frankel
and Meredith Marx and a few others. I think we've
got about we're each doing about four or five number
and it should be very fun.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I love that is Teresa in the cards for any
of these.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh she's in there.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I don't know she has a whole number, but of
course Teresa's in there.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
There's a ton of clips.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Yeah, there's like a of course, prostitution whore has to
make it in there somewhere, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, we're trying to get everyone in there as much
as possible. We're actually, we're constantly inspired. I'm constantly hearing
songs like, oh wait, we should do this song. We
have this housewhile, but there's actually so many we want
to do.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
What about waking up in the morning.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I've done that before, you know, and I was gonna
I might do it this time too, But I do
that as a ballad. I do her a song as
a ballad, so I might get some writing credit soon.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And now this is kind of like obligation, I mean,
an official request from the songstress herself.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, picking up in the mall man thinking about so
many things.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, the banger is it's a great song.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You guys moderated the Next Gen panel I bravocn twenty
twenty five with us, and I feel like that was
a really cool Bravo moment. What do you remember most
from being on stage with us?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
You know, I'm we're so much older than you guys,
you know, so we're like your anties because we covered
your whole show and so we were rooting for you guys.
During your whole season, and I remember thinking, oh my god,
they're so adult. I was telling Ben, I'm like, you're
so grown up, you know, because we've seen we've been
obviously watched you since you were a little baby, and
so you were just so poised and you were I
(02:28):
don't know, you were so mature. I just I really
walked off like, wow, we're a lot older than I thought,
because I was like so proud, you know, like I
wanted to smack Charlie on the top of his head
and be like, pay attention, sit up straight out your gum.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It was crazy. We'd never done something like that before.
So you know, that was our first time with an
in ear happening. We had all these cards and it
was tricky because it was like ten million of you
guys on the cast and we have to ask all
these questions and they're in our ear. There's saying things
like okay, jump to question twenty eight, and you jump
to question twenty eight and it's like a paragraph and
(03:05):
you're trying to scan this paragraph for what the question is. Well,
listen to what you guys are saying. So there's a
lot of stuff happening, but it was really really cool.
At one point, I felt so bad, like out of nowhere,
I just like dissed Georgia. And I felt so bad
because I was reading a question I was dressing. I
think I was dressing Riley, and I was like, Riley,
you had some thoughts about club Club.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You didn't think it was a good idea.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And then I just turned to Georgia and I agree,
and I'm like, why did I do that?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I felt so bad.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm like, as a moderator, I was like, why do
I just take a dig at Georgia? But and then
afterwards I said, sorry, Georgia, I don't know why I
did that. She goes, yeah, I noticed that. I was like,
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, she actually does notice everything. But I have to
give it to Georgia. She has thick skin, and I
got to give it to her because she takes a
lot of and she just owns it.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
She keeps her head up high.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Because another thing that happened on our panel as well
was I think something was asked of you know who
has changed the most since being on next Gen and
it was directed towards Georgia, whereas she knew the cast
was obviously insinuating it, probably not in the best way.
But I then, you know, looked at Georgia because we
(04:23):
talked about it obviously a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
We talked about it on season two of Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
People knew that we were obviously filming at Bravo Con
and I was like, I mean, hey, if being on
Next Gen NYC and being on TV and being within
the Bravo verse made you, you know, change your style
a little bit, get your nails done, do your hair
and makeup, I mean, I don't think that's the worst
thing in the world. I was like, I mean, hey,
(04:49):
I think everyone changes a little bit once being on TV.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah you should.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, look at Housewives, they come back looking totally
different season to season. You know, you look at yourself
yourself on TV. You're like, this nose is not working.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, Oh yeah, let's fix I mean, listen, I've
realized that and we changed it.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
No new nos, yeah, or podcasters, And I'm in there
like boatoxing whatever. I'll see something on a Monday and
be like, all right, let's change it. You know, we're
in a world where you can do that. We can
all be like like mister potato heads, now why not?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And you know, Georgia did change a lot though.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I mean like in the first season she was just
you know, Georgia, you know, just I don't know how
you just try York. Yeah, And then like in the
images leading up to Bravo Khan, it was like she
was like in a two two and had like a
smoky yeah. I was doing all these interesting pictures and
I was like, this is not the same person I
saw on TV, you know, and like it is what
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happens like season two. People are like, wait a second,
I just saw myself on TV and that wasn't exactly
how I wanted to look. That's why today I'm not
wearing a T shirt. I'm wearing a little button down
shirt because I've seen myself on camera and I'm like,
let's put a collar on.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's Gia from your side. What was that Bravo kN
energy like in the room that day?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
What's crazy?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I mean, there's nothing like Bravo listeners, you know, Dravo viewers.
Sorry I call them listeners. I view everybody as a listener.
But yeah, the Bravo energy is just so crazy, and
that whole environment is just lit and when we were backstage.
I mean, what was it like for you being backstage
with all those people, because you guys were kind of insular,
(06:31):
you know, you were at your own little table. Did
you guys get to talk to many people around there? Like,
did you make any friends outside of your group?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh? For sure.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean I think even just growing up on Bravo,
it was It's always so fun to see everybody, even
if I don't know them personally, they still come up
to me because they know my mom or they have
watched me since I was younger, and yeah, they just
everyone's so friendly. I think even just being in the
Bravo family, you don't have to know everybody. It's just
(07:02):
that instant connection where everyone is so sweet and I
love it. I mean, the Bravo Con energy is wild.
The Bravo fans are like no other. And I say
that all day every day.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That was my first Bravo Con and it was really
really amazing. I mean, it is cool to be in
a room with like thousands of people who all sort
of speak the same language of Bravo. Everyone gets all
the references, everyone gets all the jokes, and you know,
we got a lot of love as podcasters, which is
really cool, and it's kind of like one of those
weird things where like like I'm there as a podcaster
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but also as a fan, and I sort of have
to wear the dual hat of like me being just
like a Bravo Con attendee but also being like the podcaster,
And it was like, sort of it was sort of funky,
you know, but I thought it was I thought it
was incredible, and I really did have like regrets of
having not gone to one of the Bravo cons sooner.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You've both been in the Bravo world for years now
through watchrocrappns, but that moment felt like you guys were
kind of stepping into it with us. Did it feel
different for you guys compared to pass bravocns or anything
else that you guys have done within the bravoverse.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, normally what we do is kind of make comedy
shows based on the episode, so we make fun of
the episodes basically put in a less less nice way.
So it's a little weird for us walking through a
room of all of you guys, because you know, we're
making jokes about you, so we don't know who listens
and who doesn't, So it was actually kind of nice
(08:36):
because I'm always afraid of getting punched in the face
by somebody.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, I was just gonna say, has anybody like genuinely
gotten ever gotten mad at you guys are walking through Bravocon.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Was anyone like, oh I didn't really like that, or I.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Loved that, or they can screw you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah there were I mean we didn't. It wasn't anger.
People were really nice about it. But yeah, there were
people who are like, well, you know, you said this
thing and trying to maybe give their side of the story,
like well, this is stuff you didn't see on you know,
this is stuff that they didn't air, and this was
all editing, and it's like, well, yeah, but I can't go.
I would just say I can't go say what's been
(09:13):
edited out, like we have to talk about what's on
the show, which sucks for you. But yeah, there was
a lot of people pleading their case.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I guess you could say, in like a nice way.
Some people would blow us up. I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I thought more people would be like oh those two,
But people came up were very friendly and they're like,
you guys are so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Even when you're mean to me. You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, you guys really hold no prisoners, but you
guys are so funny. So they're sort of like would
register like, yeah, you made fun of me, thanks a lot,
But then they're like, but you're so funny in a
way that I was like, are you afraid to get
on our bad side?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It was weird, but it was cool.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean I would say, like, I'm always shocked to
how many people are nice to us.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I'm like, why are you nice to us? You know,
because but at the same.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Time, when we make fun of everyone, we're just responding
to what we see on TV, and we know that
there's a line between who people are on TV versus
who they are in real life. And like, across the board,
I think almost every single raw celebrity I've ever met
has been really, really friendly and nice. So then whenever
I think about that, I'm like, I just I'm like, okay,
Ben stuff then into like a deep corner of your
(10:19):
soul and then go podcast because don't remember that everyone
is really nice, because otherwise you won't be able to
make fun of people.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's kind of going to segue into the next thing
that I was going to say, like, you guys have
covered Housewives for so long, and now you're interacting with
newer generations like next sh NYC Summer House, Southern Hospitality.
I mean, the list goes on, and does that change
for you guys at all with how you view the
shows and then when you meet us in person.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, a little bit, you know, but then ultimately we
know we just still have to go do the same
thing anyway. So I'll tell people right up front, like,
I still have to recap your show tomorrow, so sorry,
but yeah, you do have to kind of keep line
because you know, it's natural for people in your all's
position to be like, Okay, well you know maybe if
(11:08):
we're friends, then it'll be different tomorrow, and it's important.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, It's like if I'm nice to the watch of
Crappin's guys, maybe they won't talk about me in the
next Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
And it's also not cool because if we're out and
we do make genuine you know, if we hang out
all night and we're friends and like we leave like
texting each other, and then I go the next day
and I'm like, well, she was wrong in this fight
with whoever? And you know, bo you know, then there
is like a natural guilt there, and I still do it,
(11:38):
but I feel very guilty about doing it, so there
has to be kind of a line. I think we're
pretty good about keeping a line, you know, like we'll
go get drinks and be social, but mostly with people
who who just naturally get it and just like have
that kind of sense of humor, like have kind of
a busting ball's sense of a humor that we can
just get along with because they'll give us right back,
you know, and make of us too. So it's just
(12:00):
like in real life, you can't hang out with people
who are way more sensitive than you, and you can't
hang out with people who are way more sarcastic than
you either, because then it just starts your feelings all
the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, And I think that the newer shows have been
like actually like even more down for it, because I
think that they like understand the role that podcasts play
and really helping shows grow because a lot of the times,
like it's the podcast that are driving the conversation online,
and you know, if people are talking about the show,
then they're more likely to tune in and see what
it's all about. When we were at Bravo, Khan Joe
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Bradley from Southern Hospitality came up. He's like, oh man,
you guys like don't even know, Like we're so appreciative
because like, you guys are the all one that we're
covering aust in the beginning and like that mental world
to us that meant the world and he was being
so nice bad then Maddie came up. They were all
like very appreciative, which is really just my way of saying, honestly,
we're the real heroes here.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So but truthfully though, people do get.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It though, and especially when it is the newer shows,
because they wanted to work. You know, ultimately, they do
want their show to be successful. And the only way
your show is going to be successful is if there's
buzz around it. And I think that's why Next Gen was.
I mean, we were so shocked as a cast. We
did not expect the volume of attention that it got,
(13:19):
and we were beyond shocked about it. I mean just
also coming from being a housewife kid and filming with
real housewives in New Jersey, I know what real drama
looks like. I mean, I know what Bravo wants how
they expected to go down and like what happens. So
filming Next Gen season one, it was interesting because I'm
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like sitting there like, I don't know if we have
a show, Like, I don't know, I don't know if
this drama is good enough right now. I don't know
if this is all like clicking and for it to
turn out the way that it did, and just the
positive feedback that we got from it then going into
season too. We wrapped season two in December and I
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walked out after filming and I was like, yeah, now
we have a show.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Good good. Well.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I mean I think almost the fact that it was
that what you know, that it sort of had different
different cadence than other shows was really cool.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Fully differently than any other people, really.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Differently, And honestly, I loved like the low stakes of
the arguments. I love the low stakes of Georgia and
Charlie arguing over speaker like that was so funny to me.
But it's also so real. People have had that situation
that friend that you loan. I actively have a friend
right now who is I've loaned something too, and I'm
waiting for it back. I understand that frustration but then
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I also understand like Georgia's think of like chill out,
it's just a speaker, Like that's just in some ways
more relatable than people arguing over what someone said on Twitter,
you know after a reunion. So I think like there
was something very like enduring about the show and also
like the stuff that was happen name was stuff that
we could all kind of latch onto from our real lives.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Do you guys remember watching my mom's the first season
of Real Housewives in New Jersey?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Of course? Yeah, yes, oh yes, I mean, come.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
On, what was your first reaction of her when you
watched her on TV?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
That's well, Teresa is my favorite kind of character on TV.
Like I always love kind of a ding dong, you know,
like on Golden Girls, I really love Rose, Like that's
my favorite. That's my favorite character. Or there used to
be a show like a spinoff of Cheers. I don't
know why I remember this, it's like one hundred years old,
but there was a character anyway who cares. I kind
(15:42):
of like that, you know, airheaded character. And then it
turned around in the end with her just flipping her
And that was the thing my mom.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Because like pay like, oh, hey, I'm not listening to you.
I don't really care what you're saying. Sure I might
act like I don't understand it, but it'll be that
one moment.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That will just all bets are off. It's done.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You better run, Like when I was a little girl,
and if I like I knew it, like you know,
because you know you would, you would see how much
you could get. You know, you would just keep testing
her and testing her, and then that one day when
you set her off, it's like you better run so far.
I just remember like being a little kid, and when
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my mom would really reach her breaking point, it was
like a comedy show. My mom's yelling at me, my
dad's sitting on the couch. My dad's just sitting there
like all right, come on, Tree, I think she gets
it now, all right, ChRI, I think she's got it now.
Your dad no, literally, And I'm like I would look
at my dad and be like that's all you got,
(16:52):
Like can you stop her?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like enough?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's so crazy because in those first two seasons it
was really all about like the Manzos, and it just
felt like when season three came along after after Danielle
was off, it felt like where are they going to
get Like, how are they going to do it? Because
Danielle was such a big villain, and then when they
re centered it on your mom and your whole family
was like whoa. And then of course the christening was
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like so legendary and like who would have ever thought
that that was actually going to be the through line
of the show.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like it's sort of like you forget that.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Like the first two seasons, your mom was more of
like a supporting character. I mean, she definitely was a
main character, but like it was Caroline who was like
the center of it all. It was like Caroline Andina.
It's just crazy to think back of like where it's gone.
By the way, have you taught? Do you have any
relationship with Lexi because you know she's in the news
this week?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
She was actually just on Casual Chaos, not just on
but not too long ago, and I do have a
relationship with her. I am so proud of her. I
have new shoes. And I did see y'all all the
backlash about what Bethany Frankel was doing, and I did
not appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's like
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just saying where your shoes are from like just so
weird from.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I loved her video. I love the video that Lexi made.
I thought it was so well, is so wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh yeah, like Lexi is so Dina coated and she is.
She is obviously my Auntina's daughter, and it is just
so funny the way that she responded back and was
like excuse me, like and it was just it was like,
now I don't like you. I used to look up
to you, but now I don't like you.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, you push?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
You know how many Melissa walks cookies.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'm a push, I'm a product push. How dare you
playing the short game?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
It's like, oh god, you're going up against Lexi and
losing because Lexi is just staying so calm, like you weirdo?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Who does this? You know?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it's funny, literally, I mean it was a weird move.
I just give the girl, you know, and she is.
She's a young entrepreneur. I mean, God bless her. They're
becoming wildly successful and the brand is evolving.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But just give her the credit.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You also, Bethany, like the following that you have now
is not the fought like just I would say the
intense following of how much now people like really adore
her on TikTok and the attention that she's gotten on
social media has definitely grown in the like recently, like
pretty recently, and just give the girl some credit, like
let her like help her grow her business.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I mean it wasn't even just the not crediting. It
was the I mean, if you wear them out and
you don't credit them, Okay, that's one thing, right, that's
like one mistake. But then to wear them and then
link to another shoe on Amazon is I know, crazy behavior.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's crazy crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then to insult the shoes like come on, like yeah,
and Lexi puts in the work like they're handmade from Portugal.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, wow, who is who?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I have to say, like, do we know people who
are turning to Bethany Frankel to be influenced?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Like true? Question?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like I don't feel like I know anyone who's like,
oh my god, I just saw Bethany Frankel wearing this thing.
I just I feel like Bethany is like a little
high on her hog right now.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, And I mean the the comments that I see
the most is all right, I'm gonna start eating chicken
salad if I want to look like Bethany Frankel, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yes, it works. You see, she's got three point four
million followers.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
And that's obviously people follow her.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well listen, and we're not.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know, her following really has grown tremendously. But I
think people also more so are following her for her commentary.
You know, it was definitely the Chanelle scandal that went viral.
Obviously her chicken salad and what she eats to get
that supermodel look. I think that's more her speed and
not really like what she's wearing in her fashion.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Right, She's just fascinating. I mean, say what you will
about Bethany, you can love her or hate her, but
like she has been lessly fascinating really quite literally as
long as your mom has been endlessly fascinating. Like they're
both from literally the same generation of real housewives and
they're still at it, which is which is really what's
crazy about it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Has your opinion of my mom changed it all? After
covering her for so many years, I have.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
To say, no, it really has not. I mean it
has always been the same, because Teresa doesn't really change,
And I think that that's one funny thing about her
because a lot of people do, like they'll try to
change for the audience, or if Twitter hates them one year,
they'll be like, Okay, I'm going to totally change it
for the next year.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
She does not.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
So I agree with her some years more than other years.
You know, some years I'm just on the side of
some or some some years I just like somebody that
she hates, you know, And so it's like, well, Teresa's wrong,
you know. So I'll go on the Teresa's wrong thing.
But my opinion changes. But Teresa never changes. I mean
it is crazy, like she'll come back even during like
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after the you know, after the scandal, and she went away,
and she came back and she had like kind of
a lot of interviews where she's like, you know, this
is what I learned. And she came back with this
like calm, like Martha Stewart poncho attitude, and I was like,
give her a year and sure.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Enough, you know, God bless her, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
I think that's what makes a classic like her, classic
housewife is someone who can't change even if they wanted to.
I think those are the best you or yourself no
matter what, because you don't know how to be anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
For sure, And I think it just also shows how
authentic she is, and I think that's why her fans
ride for her so hard.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah right or wrong, You're like, Okay, well I'm rooting
for you. I'm still I'm still glued to the tv.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know, who is your favorite housewife to parody on
the podcast?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I would say that right now, I am really I
really enjoyed doing Meredith Marx. I just think she has
such a funny voice, and she has a funny way
about her when she sort of shakes her head and
shrugs her shoulders and gets mirroring upset, like how near
are you even implying that I had a meltdown on
my airplane. I just think it's just so funny. So
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I think that she's probably one of my favorites these days.
I would say, what about you, Ronnie.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
We are big fans imitation wise, of all the East
Coast ladies. I mean, we were so bummed about Jersey
being put on pause. I don't even think it deserved
to be put on pause.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I was like keeping.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Toxic, Like I loved the season finale in the rails
and the reunion that they couldn't film together. I thought
that was all so good, and I think all the
ladies had great voices to imitate. You know, there's your
Math and then there's uh Margaret, you know, like you know,
all of them I think are just so funny and
larger than life. Those are my favorites for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Now with the Forbidden Housewives live shows, it feels like
you're not just commenting on Bravo anymore. You're kind of
inside the world of it. What made you want to
take it there?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I mean, we've always we've always seen ourselves as a
comedy show through the lens of Bravo, But like, ultimately,
we just like making fun of everything. We like, we
like tearing everything apart, and we like making commentary. I
think maybe because we were, you know, for many years
kind of outsiders here to the Holly, to Hollywood and entertainment,
you know, trying to make it as rioters or performers.
(24:29):
And finally now that we have a show and now
doing a cabaret show where we can, you know, don't
have to ask for permission to be hired, to have
our say, We're going to take advantage of it. We're
going to use our voice and we're going to make
fun of stuff. Plus also we really love making people laugh,
like we're we just want people to laugh all the time,
(24:50):
and so anything that we can do to help with that,
even if we aren't always successful at it, or I
should say, I'm not Ronnie's hilarious, I'm really good at uh,
I'm really good at starting a joke and then letting
a trail off.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But yeah, I feel like when anything.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Works, it's like going fishing, you know, it's like, well,
that worked, you know, And if it doesn't, it's like, wow,
just keep keep fishing, keep on fishing.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, coming off of that a little bit, when you
guys are going into your live shows, how much of
it is planned and how much of it is you
guys just playing off of the audience reaction.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
None of it's planned.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
We just we watch the shows, and we have people
who help us, who help us nice, who help us
with notes. Now, so they'll write basically what happened in
the show, So we'll watch it and then get these
and then we don't read them beforehand. We just go
out there and we make it up. So if we
happen on something that's really funny and we can go
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for five or ten minutes just making fun of one
little thing and going off on improvising something. Then we'll
do that and we'll just kind of wait for it
to happen, you know, and sometimes it happens a lot,
and we're really lucky, and sometimes, you know, sometimes it doesn't,
but you know, thankfully, usually it does because we're we're
ultimately just best friends out there laughing, so we just
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try to pretend that there is you know, this ultimately
starts like I think most podcasts, which is just two
friends talking on the phone and recording the conversation, you know,
So we're trying to just keep that going because as
long as it's like that, we can just keep each
other laughing. You know, we talk outside of the podcast
before the podcast, and we're always cracking up and stuff.
So I think as long as we can keep that,
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when we do start trying is when it we get trouble.
You know, we're both too like flighty honestly to plan anything,
because we'll plan it and then the other one we'll
forget that that was the plan, and then so one
of us is out here like tap dancing and the
other one.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
So we can't relate that line. Yeah, exactly, We're not.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I mean, actually, the cabaret is the big exception
to this. The cabaret is something that is going to
be fully like scripted. They'll be improvised elements to it,
but like we have to write our lyrics, like we
have to know what we're singing. We're not going to
improvise our way through songs. But but well, there'll still
be like sort of classic Watchro crap and improv But yeah,
and actually it's kind of funny what Ronnie said because
(27:08):
sort of tying back to what I said in terms
of trying to make people laugh, primarily, I'm really just
trying to make Ronnie laugh. I'm always trying to get
like a big chuckle out of Ronnie. So I'm always
thrown at the wall like NonStop. I'm like, maybe this
will be the thing that'll just like catch him like
off guard and get like a big chuckle off of him.
And I always feel like if I could make Ronnie laugh,
then like I'm sad, then everyone else will be laughing too.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
At Bravo Con in live events, you're now around Bravo
libs in a very different way than when you started,
which Bravo lbs have felt surreal for you guys.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Hmm, well, let's see surreal. There have been a few.
There have been a few.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm trying to think there have been a few where
I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh
my god. I'm trying, but there were so random. I'm
trying to remember who they were. I do remember the
first time I met the Real Housewives of New York,
some of them. This was many years ago, and it
was here in LA And at that time, I had
like Alex McCord from Ronie. We followed each other, and
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she was in town with Countess Luwan and Ramona, and
she was having lunch with them at the Ivy, which
is like a storied restaurant here in LA. And she
was like, oh, I saw that they were going to
the Ivy because I was stalked on social media. And
then I went to the restaurant across the street. And
(28:40):
then and then I messaged her and I said, oh
my god, that's so funny that you're at the Ivy.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm across the street. And so she said, oh my god,
you should come over. Says, oh sure, how funny.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So then I walked across the Street, and I was like,
oh my god, Hi, this is I did this whole
thing with my hand, like, oh my god, this is
so crazy. But the thing was I was my heart
was racing because it was like Alex, but it was Louis,
it was Ramona, and then Kelly ben Simone was there coincidentally,
and I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm meeting all four of them, and I was so so,
so so excited by it. I was like floating on
(29:12):
air afterwards. Now I can assure everyone I'm much more
chill about it. I like to think I don't know,
I don't know about that, but you know, I am.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I don't think that I felt that anybody has been surreal,
which is crazy. I mean, I am a huge fan
of the shows and stuff, but one thing I really
noticed when I started meeting people was they are exactly
like they are in real life as they are on TV.
So I didn't think anybody nobody has met has been
like whoa. It's just like larger than live. Everybody's exactly
(29:42):
the same and they're all just as crazy in real life.
When I first met Derinda, she was going to do
our live show. She was going to do our Crappy Awards.
You know, she was going to be a guest at
the Crappy Awards, and so she's like, well, I need
to tax you through some details with somebody, so I'm
going to give you a later And I was like,
all right. So I'm on the way to the airport.
(30:02):
It's an hour and a half away. So I get
on the phone with Drenda. That woman talked, I swear
to you for an hour and awf, she went through
her whole life story, just talking everything that came on
her mind. By the end, I was like, I've got
to go. I'm walking onto a plane. I've got to go,
you know, And I just I left laughing. But I
was like, oh my god, these people are as exhausting
(30:22):
in real life as they are on TV. I don't
even know how they edit stuff together to get it
in there, because.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It never stop.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
From your perspective.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But what makes something break through and become a real
Bravo moment.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
M you know, it's not trying too hard.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I think that a lot of people know how it
works now, so they come on and they try to
kind of replicate it, and they try It's like if
you're a new housewife. Specifically, it's like, Okay, I need
to fight about this stupid, little insignificant thing that's not
really even bothering me, but I need a storyline, like
everybody's chain a storyline. And these shows didn't really become
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popular chasing storylines. I mean all of them kind of
happened on accident or by accident. I guess I should
say they were kind of normal, calm shows until something's
really genuinely set somebody off that was trying to not
be set off. So it's more fun when people come
on as themselves and you slowly start watching the reality
(31:24):
machine make them crazy instead of coming in like ah,
like trying to do a show. I think the audience
can kind of figure out that that's what you're doing,
and it seems like faking it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I feel like it's very obvious, and that's why it's
so hard even going into you know, obviously Jersey just
had their reboot, but then you also watched what Bravo
tried to do with Real Hosis in New York. You
really can't take away the ogs because that's what's set
the foundation for all of these shows.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Then when you incorporate some of these new people.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I totally understand a revamp adding in new people you
want some new Energy's totally understandable, but you can't take
away the foundation that started the show, because that's why
the fans fell in love with it, and that's what
you know, held them on for so long.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't know if you agree with me on that,
but I.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Think what's tricky is the newer shows.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You have people coming on who are really savvy and
are aware of reality TV, and so they come on
sometimes winking at the audience, and so I feel like
what's tricky is finding the people who can still be
themselves while being really aware of what they are there
to do as reality stars and the ogs. What's cool
about them is that a lot of them came onto
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their shows really not knowing what was going on, and
they just were authentically themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And over the years they may have become more aware
of how the machine.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Works, but they're still able to tap into like what
it was that made us really drawn to them. But
that's also why your show is really good, because I
feel like there were a lot of people on your
show who weren't totally sure what they were getting into,
Like that was the vibe. Like being up there moderating
your panel, it still felt like there are a bunch
of you guys who were like still like wide eyed
(33:13):
taking this all in. You were I remember actually on
that panel you were really good at when we'd ask
you a question, you had like an answer ready to go.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Like you you knew what to do, you knew the
like what the what the assignment was. But everyone else
your media train, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Like yeah, your media train, and you can see everyone
else is still like rough around the edges. It's not
like if people were like, you know, idiots or anything
like that. Everyone responded and were good, but like there
was something I was like, Oh, Gia knows what she
was doing.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
She's been in the game.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
She understands when the questions asked, how to answer it
for a panel, you know, et cetera. So I think
your show was really actually benefiting a lot from having
a lot of people who were like what am I doing?
You know, and they were felt like they were being authentic.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, is there a franchise right now that feels especially
strong or interesting to you guys?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, lateies in London, it just wrapped. I think it's phenomenal.
I hope they get another season. I thought there was
really really so great. I think I think I'm quite frankly,
I think Bravo is kind of killing it right now.
I don't think there's any show on right now that
is lagging. For me, I'm enjoying all of it, even
the Valley, which some people are struggling with. Summerhouse is
(34:22):
amazing right now because there's real life drama unfolding. I
think Atlanta is having a great rebound season, so it's
all really.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Super great right now for me. Salt Lake City I
think is still the best it had. It got really
too much at the end. You know, they were all
so mad. You know, there's that line when you just
get too crazy that it's like, you know, like Jersey
had it. That's why they had a reboot, you know,
where it just gets too toxic. So maybe the last
(34:50):
few episodes of that I would say of the season,
But otherwise, I mean that one is always classically hilarious.
And they have to shoot in parking lots and on
the side of the road or in park I mean,
they don't let them shoot in a lot of places,
and so just watching the Mayhem that they can create,
you know, in the backseat of a car is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
So that's a that's a current classic for me. And
you got to give a shout out to Miami.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I mean, I actually liked Miami more than Salt Lake
City this past season, and I thought Salt Lake City
was great.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I really hope they they bring it back.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think the outcry from the fans has been really
helpful because it's been a constant thing. Everyone keeps saying,
what about Miami? What about Miami?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And I mean there's a lot of stuff going on
in a lot of their lives right now, especially.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Lisa all that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
What is something about the Bravo world that people outside
the fandom still completely misunderstand.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
How good it is? Quite frankly, they don't realize that
these are like, actually like high quality shows. There are
a lot of people who are just snobs about reality
TV and they're just like, ugh, how.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Could you watch that?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Do you know how many times people will tell us
when they ask us what do we do for work,
we said, we have a podcast and it's about Bravo TV.
People will very frequently say, oh, I don't know if
you can watch that. I'm like, how do you watch
the crap that you're watching? Our stuff is actually good.
I think Bravo shows are so sophisticatedly produced. I think
(36:17):
reality TV is like every other genre. There's great reality TV,
there's bad reality TV. There's great comedy, there's bad comedy.
I think Bravo has a real knack for making amazing
reality shows and finding narrative through lines that are really compelling.
They're able to find great comedy, great pathos, pathos, and
so these shows are I think are legitimately great entertainment
(36:41):
that often gets sort of pushed to the side as
like this these trifles, or sometimes they just get reduced
down to like, oh, it was just women fighting, and
they're actually.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
A conception that it's all about fighting. I don't think
it really is all about fighting. I mean, those are
kind of the classic moments, you know that people do
like that WWE element of it. But one of the
best ways I ever heard it described was these shows
are about conflict resolution. And I really like that view
on it, because it is about the conflict, but it's
also about the resolution, because when there isn't a resolution,
(37:12):
the shows get canceled or the people get fired, you know,
whoever can't make up gets fired, you know, so as
you know, because that's what's going on now with Jersey,
you know, so you've seen it many times. But it's
not all about the fighting a lot of it, and
I think why it's so popular is because we do
have problems with other idiots in our lives, and you
do want that power to just be like shut up,
(37:35):
you know what they get to do on TV. But
it's ultimately like trying to make up and get along
with a bunch of people that you wouldn't necessarily get
along with. And I think that's why a lot of
times on Real Housewives, when people think it's about fighting,
it really is ultimately about the sisterhood because it's like, Okay,
well we can get past all of this stuff to
(37:55):
still be friends and have a good time after and
then years later you'll see people become friends who are
you know, horrible enemies for years. And I think that
that's kind of the best thing about it. But a
lot of people who just see clips think, oh, it's
just about throwing tables at people.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You know, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
And I also think as well as conflict and resolution,
Like everyone on Bravo is giving, you know, the audience
and whoever's watching a full full view of their life.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean, we are.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Being so open, so vulnerable, and so honest, and I
think that's something that is really difficult and obviously the
average person person doesn't have to deal with really getting
a deep dive into this person's personal life and seeing
what they're going through or what they've had to overcome.
And I think that's also a fascinating part about it
(38:50):
because I've been dabbling into reality TV recently where I
really never watched Bravo before, and now I started with
Salt Lake, then I moved on to Jersey. Then I
obviously had a bench summer house with everything going on,
and obviously the drama is great, but then it's also
like what I find most interesting about it, and that's
why I think I love podcasting so much, is like
(39:12):
when I really see the root of you and like
what's really going on inside of you, and like that's
what I love and that's what I enjoy watching as well,
like just learning more into Carl's addiction or you know,
Kyle struggles with lover Boy, and like those are just
things that are popping up to my head right now,
but just really also.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Seeing the root of things.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
And that's also why they've reacted that way or why
that fight happened. It's, I like the backstory rather than
just seeing the explosion.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, and also, by the way, not for nothing, isn't
it nice that we have these shows where we can
and also just see women talking with each other? You know,
The Real Housewives really has an important role in our society.
I think there's been a lot of ink spilled recently
about the Manna sphere and look Smaxing and clavicular or whatever,
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all these guys who are doing all these douchey things
out there on the internet and everyone's talking about them.
And isn't it great that we can watch these shows
and see women relating to each other and just talking.
And I'm not even saying this in some sort of like,
oh look at me, trying to earn some bonus points
for pointing out women.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I think it's actually generally great to watch.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I think it's like, for me, it's like a great
antidote to like the toxicity that we're seeing in other places.
Not that these shows aren't toxic, but you know, I
prefer if I'm going to see toxicity, I want to
see it with my women, not with the guys personally.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So true.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I mean, even just watching everything, you know, even just
when I was watching Jersey, I was like, it was
just a wow moment of my mom really like we
like my mom and just like us as a family.
It's like we have given everything to Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
We've been pulling clips for this show, you know, because
I'm playing a lot of sound clips during songs and
stuff like that, and so I was going through just
a lot of Jersey moments and I was watching the
Teresa what was it? Like, I forget the name of
the show, but it was like the spinoff you have, yeah,
Teresa when she was just like call or whatever and
(41:30):
your dad was taking care of you guys, and the
clips of that were so funny and just seeing what
you I mean, it was such a serious situation, but
the fact that you guys were all going through it
on camera and just making it work. And then like
your sister shaving your dad's back and like you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Doing the that still happens today.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Was so funny.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
My dad's back's not shaved. Until Malaney arrived.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
That's so funny. I'll tell you, you, guys, I mean
like no one, no one serves up.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
A flashback, like like your family, because I'll tell you
I feel like the show sometimes gets to a place
where it's like your mom will be like, okay, guys,
well I'm going to go out to the store, and
then I'll cut to your mom saying something like I
remember going to the store fourteen years ago, and then
it's like roll the footage, a flashback to the kids growing.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Up, sitting on sushi something that lives in my head.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I didn't see remember that and everybody, you guys, all
the kids were like mayhem, you know, and especially Malania
going crazy and she's just running all over the place.
And then Teresa turns around and she's like sitting on
the shoa.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Actually, do you remember this.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, it's like that's like one of our It was
like it was like in the case, it's like you
know when you walk into supermarket.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Salad.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, yeah, and Malania just got up and just sat
in it and oh my god. Like that has been
one of the things we refer to anytime your sister
acts up on the show.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Well, remember when you sat on the sushi.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
But what is next for watch with crappens After Bravo
con season and the cabaret run, we just.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Keep going, you know, as long as there's Bravo, there's
something for us to talk crap about. So we'll just
be around doing what we do. I mean, I don't know.
I don't I don't think I knew it was going
to be going. You know, we're in our fourteenth year now,
so I didn't know it would go that long. I
can't believe it has. I can't believe Bravo went that long.
I remember thinking ten years ago, well, how long can
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housewives last? This seems like a trend, you know, that'll
be well, I'll remember the days of the Real Housewives
and the fighting ladies. But it's still going so strong,
and so were we. So I mean, it's not like
I can do anything else, you know, I have no skills.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
So we're here till you're gone.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Well I think, I mean, I just started, so I feel.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Like exactly, and we have this whole crop of fresh
stem cells.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
The journey just again.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
But in the media future though, we are we are
planning to go back on tour.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
We're fingers crossed.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
We're hoping that we can on tour in the fall,
and that's also fun. You know those live shows we
talked about before, they're just it's like such a great energy.
It's like the Bravo kN energy, sort of like it's
like a slice of that.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
You get like a theater of like a thousand people
or so in there and we're making jokes, we're talking,
we're just like having We're hamming it up on stage,
everyone's laughing and people are calling things out from the audience.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
So we're really looking forward to getting this.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
We have that, and then we have a a fiction
project coming out in the fall which we haven't announced yet,
but that's going to be really different for us and
give us something a little bit crazy to do.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Definitely anything in the Bravo world right now that you
guys are the most excited about.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Oh gosh, Ladies of London just and did this Western
Amanda stuff has been crazy. I'm almost getting fatigue from that.
But the Summerhouse reunion is coming up, so that's we've
all been back.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
That they're playing it in AMCA.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I've been saying this for a few years that Bravo
should be playing their shows in theaters, and that way
we can all the fans, we can get together and
watch these shows together because it's so much fun watch imagine,
Oh my god, it would be hilarious, like I can't know,
like you've.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Just seen to record it and like honestly aeric, and
it should be a podcast episode every.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Week, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I have a theory that that these shows have kind
of replaced sitcoms. You know, in our youth, which was
you know, about forty years before you were born, you know,
sitcoms were everything.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
It was just like NonStop.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It was like every now of the week there was
at least for citcumbs on and now there really are
not that many sitcoms left. And I think these shows
are the new comedies. They're so funny and it would
be great. I would literally love to watch one of
these shows and just hear the audience reacting from the
amc like that would like warm my heart. But that
being said, I have seen the first episode of In
the City, which is the Summerhouse spin off, and that
(45:56):
first episode I thought was great, So I'm already excited
for that one.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Have you seen next yet?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I haven't seen the We.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Have the screener, but we haven't watched yet because if
we watch it too far ahead of time, then we'll
forget when it comes time to recap.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, but like I love you.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Guys get it so early.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
That's like I think the first one, Yeah, the first
one usually they'll release really early just to make sure
all the press is covering it and stuff, and then
the other ones you don't get till a couple of
days before.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
That's awesome. I'd love nection.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I love actually, I love when Bravo dips into like
the youth.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They had that show Real Real Girlfriends in Paris, which
I adored. They had Princesses Long Island years ago, Gallery Girls.
So but they all never seem to work. I mean,
they work great for me, I love them, but they
never seem to connect with the audience. And your show
is finally the one that broke through. And by the way,
you know what, I really love I love that. Like
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in the beginning day, I feel like Bravo was really
pushing hard that the parent angle, like, look, these are
the kids of famous people. But I feel like in
the trailer for the next season, the parents were not
really there. It was really you guys, And I think
that's the way it should be, because like we cared
about you guys more than the parents, or I'll say
I cared more.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
About you guys. Yeah, and so I'm hoping that you
guys are more centered.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, no, for sure, and that definitely was a huge
part of its second season. You also have to understand,
like our parents are happy to be there and kind
of segue and help when needed, but it's not their job,
like next Gen is not.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
We're busy. Yeah, time for this. Are you guys like
the cool kids now?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Because I feel like all the rumors that we keep
hearing are all the other Bravo kids are trying to
get on like other next gens like next Gen LA,
or they're trying to get onto your next gen. Now
that you're like on next gen, and you're kind of like, yeah,
that's right, I'm on next Gen New York City.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I mean, no, you're like, I've been here for a while.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I've never had that mentality. But I do think it's funny.
How I think it's cool. I should say I think
it's cool and interesting. How obviously Bravo obviously started a
huge franchise with the Real Housewives going from New York
to OC to Jersey to now all the way. Like
they just came out with Rhode Island and they're killing it.
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So it's just crazy to see, like twenty years later
that they're still coming out with new states and cities
to produce these shows with.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And with Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I like hearing that, I was like, this is kind
of cool, Like now Next Gen might turn into the
new Real Housewives, which is.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Nothing nothing new, but Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Could franchise franchise, yeah, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, because it's like gen Z representation because you know,
millennials are all on Summer house right now, and then
you got to like gen X on The Real Housewives
or I guess it's millennials too, because like that to
be a Real housewive. I mean, Kelsey on Rhode Island's thirty,
so she's pretty young. But yeah, now finally there's like
a way in for like the young ins on Bravo,
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which is super cool.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, definitely, Well, thank you guys so much for coming
on Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
This was so fun.
Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
I have two very exciting guests today, Ben and Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hey bye. How's it going good?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Good? How are you guys doing great? Ny?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What has life been looking like for the both of you?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Oh, my gosh, life. Well, we're getting a cabaret together
to do in New York. So we're writing a bunch
of really stupid songs that we're gonna sing as Bravo characters.
So that's what we're doing right now. So it's a
lot of just you know, sitting at home singing to
ourselves in ridiculous voices.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Wait, can I hear some of the people who you're
gonna be doing?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm going to do like a number as Bethany Frankel
and Meredith Marx and a few others. I think we've
got about we're each doing about four or five number
and it should be very fun.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I love that is Teresa in the cards for any
of these.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh she's in there.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I don't know she has a whole number, but of
course Teresa's in there.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
There's a ton of clips.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Yeah, there's like a of course, prostitution whore has to
make it in there somewhere, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, we're trying to get everyone in there as much
as possible. We're actually, we're constantly inspired. I'm constantly hearing
songs like, oh wait, we should do this song. We
have this housewhile, but there's actually so many we want
to do.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
What about waking up in the morning.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
I've done that before, you know, and I was gonna
I might do it this time too, But I do
that as a ballad. I do her a song as
a ballad, so I might get some writing credit soon.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And now this is kind of like obligation, I mean,
an official request from the songstress herself.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, picking up in the mall man thinking about so
many things.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, the banger is it's a great song.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You guys moderated the Next Gen panel I bravocn twenty
twenty five with us, and I feel like that was
a really cool Bravo moment. What do you remember most
from being on stage with us?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
You know, I'm we're so much older than you guys,
you know, so we're like your anties because we covered
your whole show and so we were rooting for you guys.
During your whole season, and I remember thinking, oh my god,
they're so adult. I was telling Ben, I'm like, you're
so grown up, you know, because we've seen we've been
obviously watched you since you were a little baby, and
so you were just so poised and you were I
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don't know, you were so mature. I just I really
walked off like, wow, we're a lot older than I thought,
because I was like so proud, you know, like I
wanted to smack Charlie on the top of his head
and be like, pay attention, sit up straight out your gum.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It was crazy. We'd never done something like that before.
So you know, that was our first time with an
in ear happening. We had all these cards and it
was tricky because it was like ten million of you
guys on the cast and we have to ask all
these questions and they're in our ear. There's saying things
like okay, jump to question twenty eight, and you jump
to question twenty eight and it's like a paragraph and
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you're trying to scan this paragraph for what the question is. Well,
listen to what you guys are saying. So there's a
lot of stuff happening, but it was really really cool.
At one point, I felt so bad, like out of nowhere,
I just like dissed Georgia. And I felt so bad
because I was reading a question I was dressing. I
think I was dressing Riley, and I was like, Riley,
you had some thoughts about club Club.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You didn't think it was a good idea.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And then I just turned to Georgia and I agree,
and I'm like, why did I do that?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I felt so bad.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm like, as a moderator, I was like, why do
I just take a dig at Georgia? But and then
afterwards I said, sorry, Georgia, I don't know why I
did that. She goes, yeah, I noticed that. I was like,
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, she actually does notice everything. But I have to
give it to Georgia. She has thick skin, and I
got to give it to her because she takes a
lot of and she just owns it.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
She keeps her head up high.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Because another thing that happened on our panel as well
was I think something was asked of you know who
has changed the most since being on next Gen and
it was directed towards Georgia, whereas she knew the cast
was obviously insinuating it, probably not in the best way.
But I then, you know, looked at Georgia because we
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talked about it obviously a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
We talked about it on season two of Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
People knew that we were obviously filming at Bravo Con
and I was like, I mean, hey, if being on
Next Gen NYC and being on TV and being within
the Bravo verse made you, you know, change your style
a little bit, get your nails done, do your hair
and makeup, I mean, I don't think that's the worst
thing in the world. I was like, I mean, hey,
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I think everyone changes a little bit once being on TV.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah you should.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, look at Housewives, they come back looking totally
different season to season. You know, you look at yourself
yourself on TV. You're like, this nose is not working.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know, Oh yeah, let's fix I mean, listen, I've
realized that and we changed it.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
No new nos, yeah, or podcasters, And I'm in there
like boatoxing whatever. I'll see something on a Monday and
be like, all right, let's change it. You know, we're
in a world where you can do that. We can
all be like like mister potato heads, now why not?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And you know, Georgia did change a lot though.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I mean like in the first season she was just
you know, Georgia, you know, just I don't know how
you just try York. Yeah, And then like in the
images leading up to Bravo Khan, it was like she
was like in a two two and had like a
smoky yeah. I was doing all these interesting pictures and
I was like, this is not the same person I
saw on TV, you know, and like it is what
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happens like season two. People are like, wait a second,
I just saw myself on TV and that wasn't exactly
how I wanted to look. That's why today I'm not
wearing a T shirt. I'm wearing a little button down
shirt because I've seen myself on camera and I'm like,
let's put a collar on.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's Gia from your side. What was that Bravo kN
energy like in the room that day?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
What's crazy?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I mean, there's nothing like Bravo listeners, you know, Dravo viewers.
Sorry I call them listeners. I view everybody as a listener.
But yeah, the Bravo energy is just so crazy, and
that whole environment is just lit and when we were backstage.
I mean, what was it like for you being backstage
with all those people, because you guys were kind of insular,
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you know, you were at your own little table. Did
you guys get to talk to many people around there? Like,
did you make any friends outside of your group?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh? For sure.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean I think even just growing up on Bravo,
it was It's always so fun to see everybody, even
if I don't know them personally, they still come up
to me because they know my mom or they have
watched me since I was younger, and yeah, they just
everyone's so friendly. I think even just being in the
Bravo family, you don't have to know everybody. It's just
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that instant connection where everyone is so sweet and I
love it. I mean, the Bravo Con energy is wild.
The Bravo fans are like no other. And I say
that all day every day.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That was my first Bravo Con and it was really
really amazing. I mean, it is cool to be in
a room with like thousands of people who all sort
of speak the same language of Bravo. Everyone gets all
the references, everyone gets all the jokes, and you know,
we got a lot of love as podcasters, which is
really cool, and it's kind of like one of those
weird things where like like I'm there as a podcaster
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but also as a fan, and I sort of have
to wear the dual hat of like me being just
like a Bravo Con attendee but also being like the podcaster,
And it was like, sort of it was sort of funky,
you know, but I thought it was I thought it
was incredible, and I really did have like regrets of
having not gone to one of the Bravo cons sooner.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You've both been in the Bravo world for years now
through watchrocrappns, but that moment felt like you guys were
kind of stepping into it with us. Did it feel
different for you guys compared to pass bravocns or anything
else that you guys have done within the bravoverse.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Well, normally what we do is kind of make comedy
shows based on the episode, so we make fun of
the episodes basically put in a less less nice way.
So it's a little weird for us walking through a
room of all of you guys, because you know, we're
making jokes about you, so we don't know who listens
and who doesn't, So it was actually kind of nice
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because I'm always afraid of getting punched in the face
by somebody.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, I was just gonna say, has anybody like genuinely
gotten ever gotten mad at you guys are walking through Bravocon.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Was anyone like, oh I didn't really like that, or I.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Loved that, or they can screw you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah there were I mean we didn't. It wasn't anger.
People were really nice about it. But yeah, there were
people who are like, well, you know, you said this
thing and trying to maybe give their side of the story,
like well, this is stuff you didn't see on you know,
this is stuff that they didn't air, and this was
all editing, and it's like, well, yeah, but I can't go.
I would just say I can't go say what's been
(09:13):
edited out, like we have to talk about what's on
the show, which sucks for you. But yeah, there was
a lot of people pleading their case.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I guess you could say, in like a nice way.
Some people would blow us up. I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I thought more people would be like oh those two,
But people came up were very friendly and they're like,
you guys are so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Even when you're mean to me. You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, you guys really hold no prisoners, but you
guys are so funny. So they're sort of like would
register like, yeah, you made fun of me, thanks a lot,
But then they're like, but you're so funny in a
way that I was like, are you afraid to get
on our bad side?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It was weird, but it was cool.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean I would say, like, I'm always shocked to
how many people are nice to us.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I'm like, why are you nice to us? You know,
because but at the same.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Time, when we make fun of everyone, we're just responding
to what we see on TV, and we know that
there's a line between who people are on TV versus
who they are in real life. And like, across the board,
I think almost every single raw celebrity I've ever met
has been really, really friendly and nice. So then whenever
I think about that, I'm like, I just I'm like, okay,
Ben stuff then into like a deep corner of your
(10:19):
soul and then go podcast because don't remember that everyone
is really nice, because otherwise you won't be able to
make fun of people.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's kind of going to segue into the next thing
that I was going to say, like, you guys have
covered Housewives for so long, and now you're interacting with
newer generations like next sh NYC Summer House, Southern Hospitality.
I mean, the list goes on, and does that change
for you guys at all with how you view the
shows and then when you meet us in person.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, a little bit, you know, but then ultimately we
know we just still have to go do the same
thing anyway. So I'll tell people right up front, like,
I still have to recap your show tomorrow, so sorry,
but yeah, you do have to kind of keep line
because you know, it's natural for people in your all's
position to be like, Okay, well you know maybe if
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we're friends, then it'll be different tomorrow, and it's important.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, It's like if I'm nice to the watch of
Crappin's guys, maybe they won't talk about me in the
next Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
And it's also not cool because if we're out and
we do make genuine you know, if we hang out
all night and we're friends and like we leave like
texting each other, and then I go the next day
and I'm like, well, she was wrong in this fight
with whoever? And you know, bo you know, then there
is like a natural guilt there, and I still do it,
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but I feel very guilty about doing it, so there
has to be kind of a line. I think we're
pretty good about keeping a line, you know, like we'll
go get drinks and be social, but mostly with people
who who just naturally get it and just like have
that kind of sense of humor, like have kind of
a busting ball's sense of a humor that we can
just get along with because they'll give us right back,
you know, and make of us too. So it's just
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like in real life, you can't hang out with people
who are way more sensitive than you, and you can't
hang out with people who are way more sarcastic than
you either, because then it just starts your feelings all
the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, And I think that the newer shows have been
like actually like even more down for it, because I
think that they like understand the role that podcasts play
and really helping shows grow because a lot of the times,
like it's the podcast that are driving the conversation online,
and you know, if people are talking about the show,
then they're more likely to tune in and see what
it's all about. When we were at Bravo, Khan Joe
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Bradley from Southern Hospitality came up. He's like, oh man,
you guys like don't even know, Like we're so appreciative
because like, you guys are the all one that we're
covering aust in the beginning and like that mental world
to us that meant the world and he was being
so nice bad then Maddie came up. They were all
like very appreciative, which is really just my way of saying, honestly,
we're the real heroes here.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
So but truthfully though, people do get.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It though, and especially when it is the newer shows,
because they wanted to work. You know, ultimately, they do
want their show to be successful. And the only way
your show is going to be successful is if there's
buzz around it. And I think that's why Next Gen was.
I mean, we were so shocked as a cast. We
did not expect the volume of attention that it got,
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and we were beyond shocked about it. I mean just
also coming from being a housewife kid and filming with
real housewives in New Jersey, I know what real drama
looks like. I mean, I know what Bravo wants how
they expected to go down and like what happens. So
filming Next Gen season one, it was interesting because I'm
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like sitting there like, I don't know if we have
a show, Like, I don't know, I don't know if
this drama is good enough right now. I don't know
if this is all like clicking and for it to
turn out the way that it did, and just the
positive feedback that we got from it then going into
season too. We wrapped season two in December and I
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walked out after filming and I was like, yeah, now
we have a show.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Good good. Well.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I mean I think almost the fact that it was
that what you know, that it sort of had different
different cadence than other shows was really cool.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Fully differently than any other people, really.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Differently, And honestly, I loved like the low stakes of
the arguments. I love the low stakes of Georgia and
Charlie arguing over speaker like that was so funny to me.
But it's also so real. People have had that situation
that friend that you loan. I actively have a friend
right now who is I've loaned something too, and I'm
waiting for it back. I understand that frustration but then
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I also understand like Georgia's think of like chill out,
it's just a speaker, Like that's just in some ways
more relatable than people arguing over what someone said on Twitter,
you know after a reunion. So I think like there
was something very like enduring about the show and also
like the stuff that was happen name was stuff that
we could all kind of latch onto from our real lives.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Do you guys remember watching my mom's the first season
of Real Housewives in New Jersey?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Of course? Yeah, yes, oh yes, I mean, come.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
On, what was your first reaction of her when you
watched her on TV?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
That's well, Teresa is my favorite kind of character on TV.
Like I always love kind of a ding dong, you know,
like on Golden Girls, I really love Rose, Like that's
my favorite. That's my favorite character. Or there used to
be a show like a spinoff of Cheers. I don't
know why I remember this, it's like one hundred years old,
but there was a character anyway who cares. I kind
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of like that, you know, airheaded character. And then it
turned around in the end with her just flipping her
And that was the thing my mom.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Because like pay like, oh, hey, I'm not listening to you.
I don't really care what you're saying. Sure I might
act like I don't understand it, but it'll be that
one moment.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That will just all bets are off. It's done.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You better run, Like when I was a little girl,
and if I like I knew it, like you know,
because you know you would, you would see how much
you could get. You know, you would just keep testing
her and testing her, and then that one day when
you set her off, it's like you better run so far.
I just remember like being a little kid, and when
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my mom would really reach her breaking point, it was
like a comedy show. My mom's yelling at me, my
dad's sitting on the couch. My dad's just sitting there
like all right, come on, Tree, I think she gets
it now, all right, ChRI, I think she's got it now.
Your dad no, literally, And I'm like I would look
at my dad and be like that's all you got,
(16:52):
Like can you stop her?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like enough?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's so crazy because in those first two seasons it
was really all about like the Manzos, and it just
felt like when season three came along after after Danielle
was off, it felt like where are they going to
get Like, how are they going to do it? Because
Danielle was such a big villain, and then when they
re centered it on your mom and your whole family
was like whoa. And then of course the christening was
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like so legendary and like who would have ever thought
that that was actually going to be the through line
of the show.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like it's sort of like you forget that.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Like the first two seasons, your mom was more of
like a supporting character. I mean, she definitely was a
main character, but like it was Caroline who was like
the center of it all. It was like Caroline Andina.
It's just crazy to think back of like where it's gone.
By the way, have you taught? Do you have any
relationship with Lexi because you know she's in the news
this week?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
She was actually just on Casual Chaos, not just on
but not too long ago, and I do have a
relationship with her. I am so proud of her. I
have new shoes. And I did see y'all all the
backlash about what Bethany Frankel was doing, and I did
not appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's like
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just saying where your shoes are from like just so
weird from.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I loved her video. I love the video that Lexi made.
I thought it was so well, is so wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh yeah, like Lexi is so Dina coated and she is.
She is obviously my Auntina's daughter, and it is just
so funny the way that she responded back and was
like excuse me, like and it was just it was like,
now I don't like you. I used to look up
to you, but now I don't like you.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, you push?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
You know how many Melissa walks cookies.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I'm a push, I'm a product push. How dare you
playing the short game?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
It's like, oh god, you're going up against Lexi and
losing because Lexi is just staying so calm, like you weirdo?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Who does this? You know?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it's funny, literally, I mean it was a weird move.
I just give the girl, you know, and she is.
She's a young entrepreneur. I mean, God bless her. They're
becoming wildly successful and the brand is evolving.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But just give her the credit.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You also, Bethany, like the following that you have now
is not the fought like just I would say the
intense following of how much now people like really adore
her on TikTok and the attention that she's gotten on
social media has definitely grown in the like recently, like
pretty recently, and just give the girl some credit, like
let her like help her grow her business.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I mean it wasn't even just the not crediting. It
was the I mean, if you wear them out and
you don't credit them, Okay, that's one thing, right, that's
like one mistake. But then to wear them and then
link to another shoe on Amazon is I know, crazy behavior.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's crazy crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then to insult the shoes like come on, like yeah,
and Lexi puts in the work like they're handmade from Portugal.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, wow, who is who?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I have to say, like, do we know people who
are turning to Bethany Frankel to be influenced?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Like true? Question?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like I don't feel like I know anyone who's like,
oh my god, I just saw Bethany Frankel wearing this thing.
I just I feel like Bethany is like a little
high on her hog right now.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, And I mean the the comments that I see
the most is all right, I'm gonna start eating chicken
salad if I want to look like Bethany Frankel, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yes, it works. You see, she's got three point four
million followers.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
And that's obviously people follow her.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well listen, and we're not.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know, her following really has grown tremendously. But I
think people also more so are following her for her commentary.
You know, it was definitely the Chanelle scandal that went viral.
Obviously her chicken salad and what she eats to get
that supermodel look. I think that's more her speed and
not really like what she's wearing in her fashion.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Right, She's just fascinating. I mean, say what you will
about Bethany, you can love her or hate her, but
like she has been lessly fascinating really quite literally as
long as your mom has been endlessly fascinating. Like they're
both from literally the same generation of real housewives and
they're still at it, which is which is really what's
crazy about it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Has your opinion of my mom changed it all? After
covering her for so many years, I have.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
To say, no, it really has not. I mean it
has always been the same, because Teresa doesn't really change,
And I think that that's one funny thing about her
because a lot of people do, like they'll try to
change for the audience, or if Twitter hates them one year,
they'll be like, Okay, I'm going to totally change it
for the next year.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
She does not.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
So I agree with her some years more than other years.
You know, some years I'm just on the side of
some or some some years I just like somebody that
she hates, you know, And so it's like, well, Teresa's wrong,
you know. So I'll go on the Teresa's wrong thing.
But my opinion changes. But Teresa never changes. I mean
it is crazy, like she'll come back even during like
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after the you know, after the scandal, and she went away,
and she came back and she had like kind of
a lot of interviews where she's like, you know, this
is what I learned. And she came back with this
like calm, like Martha Stewart poncho attitude, and I was like,
give her a year and sure.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Enough, you know, God bless her, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
I think that's what makes a classic like her, classic
housewife is someone who can't change even if they wanted to.
I think those are the best you or yourself no
matter what, because you don't know how to be anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
For sure, And I think it just also shows how
authentic she is, and I think that's why her fans
ride for her so hard.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah right or wrong, You're like, Okay, well I'm rooting
for you. I'm still I'm still glued to the tv.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know, who is your favorite housewife to parody on
the podcast?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I would say that right now, I am really I
really enjoyed doing Meredith Marx. I just think she has
such a funny voice, and she has a funny way
about her when she sort of shakes her head and
shrugs her shoulders and gets mirroring upset, like how near
are you even implying that I had a meltdown on
my airplane. I just think it's just so funny. So
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I think that she's probably one of my favorites these days.
I would say, what about you, Ronnie.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
We are big fans imitation wise, of all the East
Coast ladies. I mean, we were so bummed about Jersey
being put on pause. I don't even think it deserved
to be put on pause.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I was like keeping.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Toxic, Like I loved the season finale in the rails
and the reunion that they couldn't film together. I thought
that was all so good, and I think all the
ladies had great voices to imitate. You know, there's your
Math and then there's uh Margaret, you know, like you know,
all of them I think are just so funny and
larger than life. Those are my favorites for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Now with the Forbidden Housewives live shows, it feels like
you're not just commenting on Bravo anymore. You're kind of
inside the world of it. What made you want to
take it there?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I mean, we've always we've always seen ourselves as a
comedy show through the lens of Bravo, But like, ultimately,
we just like making fun of everything. We like, we
like tearing everything apart, and we like making commentary. I
think maybe because we were, you know, for many years
kind of outsiders here to the Holly, to Hollywood and entertainment,
you know, trying to make it as rioters or performers.
(24:29):
And finally now that we have a show and now
doing a cabaret show where we can, you know, don't
have to ask for permission to be hired, to have
our say, We're going to take advantage of it. We're
going to use our voice and we're going to make
fun of stuff. Plus also we really love making people laugh,
like we're we just want people to laugh all the time,
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and so anything that we can do to help with that,
even if we aren't always successful at it, or I
should say, I'm not Ronnie's hilarious, I'm really good at uh,
I'm really good at starting a joke and then letting
a trail off.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But yeah, I feel like when anything.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Works, it's like going fishing, you know, it's like, well,
that worked, you know, And if it doesn't, it's like, wow,
just keep keep fishing, keep on fishing.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, coming off of that a little bit, when you
guys are going into your live shows, how much of
it is planned and how much of it is you
guys just playing off of the audience reaction.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
None of it's planned.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
We just we watch the shows, and we have people
who help us, who help us nice, who help us
with notes. Now, so they'll write basically what happened in
the show, So we'll watch it and then get these
and then we don't read them beforehand. We just go
out there and we make it up. So if we
happen on something that's really funny and we can go
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for five or ten minutes just making fun of one
little thing and going off on improvising something. Then we'll
do that and we'll just kind of wait for it
to happen, you know, and sometimes it happens a lot,
and we're really lucky, and sometimes, you know, sometimes it doesn't,
but you know, thankfully, usually it does because we're we're
ultimately just best friends out there laughing, so we just
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try to pretend that there is you know, this ultimately
starts like I think most podcasts, which is just two
friends talking on the phone and recording the conversation, you know,
So we're trying to just keep that going because as
long as it's like that, we can just keep each
other laughing. You know, we talk outside of the podcast
before the podcast, and we're always cracking up and stuff.
So I think as long as we can keep that,
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when we do start trying is when it we get trouble.
You know, we're both too like flighty honestly to plan anything,
because we'll plan it and then the other one we'll
forget that that was the plan, and then so one
of us is out here like tap dancing and the
other one.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
So we can't relate that line. Yeah, exactly, We're not.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I mean, actually, the cabaret is the big exception
to this. The cabaret is something that is going to
be fully like scripted. They'll be improvised elements to it,
but like we have to write our lyrics, like we
have to know what we're singing. We're not going to
improvise our way through songs. But but well, there'll still
be like sort of classic Watchro crap and improv But yeah,
and actually it's kind of funny what Ronnie said because
(27:08):
sort of tying back to what I said in terms
of trying to make people laugh, primarily, I'm really just
trying to make Ronnie laugh. I'm always trying to get
like a big chuckle out of Ronnie. So I'm always
thrown at the wall like NonStop. I'm like, maybe this
will be the thing that'll just like catch him like
off guard and get like a big chuckle off of him.
And I always feel like if I could make Ronnie laugh,
then like I'm sad, then everyone else will be laughing too.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
At Bravo Con in live events, you're now around Bravo
libs in a very different way than when you started,
which Bravo lbs have felt surreal for you guys.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Hmm, well, let's see surreal. There have been a few.
There have been a few.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm trying to think there have been a few where
I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh
my god. I'm trying, but there were so random. I'm
trying to remember who they were. I do remember the
first time I met the Real Housewives of New York,
some of them. This was many years ago, and it
was here in LA And at that time, I had
like Alex McCord from Ronie. We followed each other, and
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she was in town with Countess Luwan and Ramona, and
she was having lunch with them at the Ivy, which
is like a storied restaurant here in LA. And she
was like, oh, I saw that they were going to
the Ivy because I was stalked on social media. And
then I went to the restaurant across the street. And
(28:40):
then and then I messaged her and I said, oh
my god, that's so funny that you're at the Ivy.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm across the street. And so she said, oh my god,
you should come over. Says, oh sure, how funny.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So then I walked across the Street, and I was like,
oh my god, Hi, this is I did this whole
thing with my hand, like, oh my god, this is
so crazy. But the thing was I was my heart
was racing because it was like Alex, but it was Louis,
it was Ramona, and then Kelly ben Simone was there coincidentally,
and I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm meeting all four of them, and I was so so,
so so excited by it. I was like floating on
(29:12):
air afterwards. Now I can assure everyone I'm much more
chill about it. I like to think I don't know,
I don't know about that, but you know, I am.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I don't think that I felt that anybody has been surreal,
which is crazy. I mean, I am a huge fan
of the shows and stuff, but one thing I really
noticed when I started meeting people was they are exactly
like they are in real life as they are on TV.
So I didn't think anybody nobody has met has been
like whoa. It's just like larger than live. Everybody's exactly
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the same and they're all just as crazy in real life.
When I first met Derinda, she was going to do
our live show. She was going to do our Crappy Awards.
You know, she was going to be a guest at
the Crappy Awards, and so she's like, well, I need
to tax you through some details with somebody, so I'm
going to give you a later And I was like,
all right. So I'm on the way to the airport.
(30:02):
It's an hour and a half away. So I get
on the phone with Drenda. That woman talked, I swear
to you for an hour and awf, she went through
her whole life story, just talking everything that came on
her mind. By the end, I was like, I've got
to go. I'm walking onto a plane. I've got to go,
you know, And I just I left laughing. But I
was like, oh my god, these people are as exhausting
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in real life as they are on TV. I don't
even know how they edit stuff together to get it
in there, because.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It never stop.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
From your perspective.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But what makes something break through and become a real
Bravo moment.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
M you know, it's not trying too hard.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
I think that a lot of people know how it
works now, so they come on and they try to
kind of replicate it, and they try It's like if
you're a new housewife. Specifically, it's like, Okay, I need
to fight about this stupid, little insignificant thing that's not
really even bothering me, but I need a storyline, like
everybody's chain a storyline. And these shows didn't really become
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popular chasing storylines. I mean all of them kind of
happened on accident or by accident. I guess I should
say they were kind of normal, calm shows until something's
really genuinely set somebody off that was trying to not
be set off. So it's more fun when people come
on as themselves and you slowly start watching the reality
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machine make them crazy instead of coming in like ah,
like trying to do a show. I think the audience
can kind of figure out that that's what you're doing,
and it seems like faking it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I feel like it's very obvious, and that's why it's
so hard even going into you know, obviously Jersey just
had their reboot, but then you also watched what Bravo
tried to do with Real Hosis in New York. You
really can't take away the ogs because that's what's set
the foundation for all of these shows.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Then when you incorporate some of these new people.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I totally understand a revamp adding in new people you
want some new Energy's totally understandable, but you can't take
away the foundation that started the show, because that's why
the fans fell in love with it, and that's what
you know, held them on for so long.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't know if you agree with me on that,
but I.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Think what's tricky is the newer shows.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
You have people coming on who are really savvy and
are aware of reality TV, and so they come on
sometimes winking at the audience, and so I feel like
what's tricky is finding the people who can still be
themselves while being really aware of what they are there
to do as reality stars and the ogs. What's cool
about them is that a lot of them came onto
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their shows really not knowing what was going on, and
they just were authentically themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And over the years they may have become more aware
of how the machine.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Works, but they're still able to tap into like what
it was that made us really drawn to them. But
that's also why your show is really good, because I
feel like there were a lot of people on your
show who weren't totally sure what they were getting into,
Like that was the vibe. Like being up there moderating
your panel, it still felt like there are a bunch
of you guys who were like still like wide eyed
(33:13):
taking this all in. You were I remember actually on
that panel you were really good at when we'd ask
you a question, you had like an answer ready to go.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Like you you knew what to do, you knew the
like what the what the assignment was. But everyone else
your media train, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Like yeah, your media train, and you can see everyone
else is still like rough around the edges. It's not
like if people were like, you know, idiots or anything
like that. Everyone responded and were good, but like there
was something I was like, Oh, Gia knows what she
was doing.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
She's been in the game.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
She understands when the questions asked, how to answer it
for a panel, you know, et cetera. So I think
your show was really actually benefiting a lot from having
a lot of people who were like what am I doing?
You know, and they were felt like they were being authentic.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, is there a franchise right now that feels especially
strong or interesting to you guys?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, lateies in London, it just wrapped. I think it's phenomenal.
I hope they get another season. I thought there was
really really so great. I think I think I'm quite frankly,
I think Bravo is kind of killing it right now.
I don't think there's any show on right now that
is lagging. For me, I'm enjoying all of it, even
the Valley, which some people are struggling with. Summerhouse is
(34:22):
amazing right now because there's real life drama unfolding. I
think Atlanta is having a great rebound season, so it's
all really.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Super great right now for me. Salt Lake City I
think is still the best it had. It got really
too much at the end. You know, they were all
so mad. You know, there's that line when you just
get too crazy that it's like, you know, like Jersey
had it. That's why they had a reboot, you know,
where it just gets too toxic. So maybe the last
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few episodes of that I would say of the season,
But otherwise, I mean that one is always classically hilarious.
And they have to shoot in parking lots and on
the side of the road or in park I mean,
they don't let them shoot in a lot of places,
and so just watching the Mayhem that they can create,
you know, in the backseat of a car is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
So that's a that's a current classic for me. And
you got to give a shout out to Miami.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I mean, I actually liked Miami more than Salt Lake
City this past season, and I thought Salt Lake City
was great.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I really hope they they bring it back.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think the outcry from the fans has been really
helpful because it's been a constant thing. Everyone keeps saying,
what about Miami? What about Miami?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And I mean there's a lot of stuff going on
in a lot of their lives right now, especially.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Lisa all that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
What is something about the Bravo world that people outside
the fandom still completely misunderstand.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
How good it is? Quite frankly, they don't realize that
these are like, actually like high quality shows. There are
a lot of people who are just snobs about reality
TV and they're just like, ugh, how.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Could you watch that?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Do you know how many times people will tell us
when they ask us what do we do for work,
we said, we have a podcast and it's about Bravo TV.
People will very frequently say, oh, I don't know if
you can watch that. I'm like, how do you watch
the crap that you're watching? Our stuff is actually good.
I think Bravo shows are so sophisticatedly produced. I think
(36:17):
reality TV is like every other genre. There's great reality TV,
there's bad reality TV. There's great comedy, there's bad comedy.
I think Bravo has a real knack for making amazing
reality shows and finding narrative through lines that are really compelling.
They're able to find great comedy, great pathos, pathos, and
so these shows are I think are legitimately great entertainment
(36:41):
that often gets sort of pushed to the side as
like this these trifles, or sometimes they just get reduced
down to like, oh, it was just women fighting, and
they're actually.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
A conception that it's all about fighting. I don't think
it really is all about fighting. I mean, those are
kind of the classic moments, you know that people do
like that WWE element of it. But one of the
best ways I ever heard it described was these shows
are about conflict resolution. And I really like that view
on it, because it is about the conflict, but it's
also about the resolution, because when there isn't a resolution,
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the shows get canceled or the people get fired, you know,
whoever can't make up gets fired, you know, so as
you know, because that's what's going on now with Jersey,
you know, so you've seen it many times. But it's
not all about the fighting a lot of it, and
I think why it's so popular is because we do
have problems with other idiots in our lives, and you
do want that power to just be like shut up,
(37:35):
you know what they get to do on TV. But
it's ultimately like trying to make up and get along
with a bunch of people that you wouldn't necessarily get
along with. And I think that's why a lot of
times on Real Housewives, when people think it's about fighting,
it really is ultimately about the sisterhood because it's like, Okay,
well we can get past all of this stuff to
(37:55):
still be friends and have a good time after and
then years later you'll see people become friends who are
you know, horrible enemies for years. And I think that
that's kind of the best thing about it. But a
lot of people who just see clips think, oh, it's
just about throwing tables at people.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You know, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
And I also think as well as conflict and resolution,
Like everyone on Bravo is giving, you know, the audience
and whoever's watching a full full view of their life.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean, we are.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Being so open, so vulnerable, and so honest, and I
think that's something that is really difficult and obviously the
average person person doesn't have to deal with really getting
a deep dive into this person's personal life and seeing
what they're going through or what they've had to overcome.
And I think that's also a fascinating part about it
(38:50):
because I've been dabbling into reality TV recently where I
really never watched Bravo before, and now I started with
Salt Lake, then I moved on to Jersey. Then I
obviously had a bench summer house with everything going on,
and obviously the drama is great, but then it's also
like what I find most interesting about it, and that's
why I think I love podcasting so much, is like
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when I really see the root of you and like
what's really going on inside of you, and like that's
what I love and that's what I enjoy watching as well,
like just learning more into Carl's addiction or you know,
Kyle struggles with lover Boy, and like those are just
things that are popping up to my head right now,
but just really also.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Seeing the root of things.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
And that's also why they've reacted that way or why
that fight happened. It's, I like the backstory rather than
just seeing the explosion.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, and also, by the way, not for nothing, isn't
it nice that we have these shows where we can
and also just see women talking with each other? You know,
The Real Housewives really has an important role in our society.
I think there's been a lot of ink spilled recently
about the Manna sphere and look Smaxing and clavicular or whatever,
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all these guys who are doing all these douchey things
out there on the internet and everyone's talking about them.
And isn't it great that we can watch these shows
and see women relating to each other and just talking.
And I'm not even saying this in some sort of like,
oh look at me, trying to earn some bonus points
for pointing out women.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I think it's actually generally great to watch.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I think it's like, for me, it's like a great
antidote to like the toxicity that we're seeing in other places.
Not that these shows aren't toxic, but you know, I
prefer if I'm going to see toxicity, I want to
see it with my women, not with the guys personally.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So true.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I mean, even just watching everything, you know, even just
when I was watching Jersey, I was like, it was
just a wow moment of my mom really like we
like my mom and just like us as a family.
It's like we have given everything to Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
We've been pulling clips for this show, you know, because
I'm playing a lot of sound clips during songs and
stuff like that, and so I was going through just
a lot of Jersey moments and I was watching the
Teresa what was it? Like, I forget the name of
the show, but it was like the spinoff you have, yeah,
Teresa when she was just like call or whatever and
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your dad was taking care of you guys, and the
clips of that were so funny and just seeing what
you I mean, it was such a serious situation, but
the fact that you guys were all going through it
on camera and just making it work. And then like
your sister shaving your dad's back and like you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Doing the that still happens today.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Was so funny.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
My dad's back's not shaved. Until Malaney arrived.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
That's so funny. I'll tell you, you, guys, I mean
like no one, no one serves up.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
A flashback, like like your family, because I'll tell you
I feel like the show sometimes gets to a place
where it's like your mom will be like, okay, guys,
well I'm going to go out to the store, and
then I'll cut to your mom saying something like I
remember going to the store fourteen years ago, and then
it's like roll the footage, a flashback to the kids growing.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Up, sitting on sushi something that lives in my head.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I didn't see remember that and everybody, you guys, all
the kids were like mayhem, you know, and especially Malania
going crazy and she's just running all over the place.
And then Teresa turns around and she's like sitting on
the shoa.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Actually, do you remember this.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, it's like that's like one of our It was
like it was like in the case, it's like you
know when you walk into supermarket.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Salad.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, yeah, and Malania just got up and just sat
in it and oh my god. Like that has been
one of the things we refer to anytime your sister
acts up on the show.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Well, remember when you sat on the sushi.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
But what is next for watch with crappens After Bravo
con season and the cabaret run, we just.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Keep going, you know, as long as there's Bravo, there's
something for us to talk crap about. So we'll just
be around doing what we do. I mean, I don't know.
I don't I don't think I knew it was going
to be going. You know, we're in our fourteenth year now,
so I didn't know it would go that long. I
can't believe it has. I can't believe Bravo went that long.
I remember thinking ten years ago, well, how long can
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housewives last? This seems like a trend, you know, that'll
be well, I'll remember the days of the Real Housewives
and the fighting ladies. But it's still going so strong,
and so were we. So I mean, it's not like
I can do anything else, you know, I have no skills.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
So we're here till you're gone.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Well I think, I mean, I just started, so I feel.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Like exactly, and we have this whole crop of fresh
stem cells.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
The journey just again.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
But in the media future though, we are we are
planning to go back on tour.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
We're fingers crossed.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
We're hoping that we can on tour in the fall,
and that's also fun. You know those live shows we
talked about before, they're just it's like such a great energy.
It's like the Bravo kN energy, sort of like it's
like a slice of that.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
You get like a theater of like a thousand people
or so in there and we're making jokes, we're talking,
we're just like having We're hamming it up on stage,
everyone's laughing and people are calling things out from the audience.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
So we're really looking forward to getting this.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
We have that, and then we have a a fiction
project coming out in the fall which we haven't announced yet,
but that's going to be really different for us and
give us something a little bit crazy to do.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Definitely anything in the Bravo world right now that you
guys are the most excited about.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Oh gosh, Ladies of London just and did this Western
Amanda stuff has been crazy. I'm almost getting fatigue from that.
But the Summerhouse reunion is coming up, so that's we've
all been back.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
That they're playing it in AMCA.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I've been saying this for a few years that Bravo
should be playing their shows in theaters, and that way
we can all the fans, we can get together and
watch these shows together because it's so much fun watch imagine,
Oh my god, it would be hilarious, like I can't know,
like you've.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Just seen to record it and like honestly aeric, and
it should be a podcast episode every.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Week, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I have a theory that that these shows have kind
of replaced sitcoms. You know, in our youth, which was
you know, about forty years before you were born, you know,
sitcoms were everything.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
It was just like NonStop.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It was like every now of the week there was
at least for citcumbs on and now there really are
not that many sitcoms left. And I think these shows
are the new comedies. They're so funny and it would
be great. I would literally love to watch one of
these shows and just hear the audience reacting from the
amc like that would like warm my heart. But that
being said, I have seen the first episode of In
the City, which is the Summerhouse spin off, and that
(45:56):
first episode I thought was great, So I'm already excited
for that one.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Have you seen next yet?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I haven't seen the We.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Have the screener, but we haven't watched yet because if
we watch it too far ahead of time, then we'll
forget when it comes time to recap.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, but like I love you.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Guys get it so early.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
That's like I think the first one, Yeah, the first
one usually they'll release really early just to make sure
all the press is covering it and stuff, and then
the other ones you don't get till a couple of
days before.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
That's awesome. I'd love nection.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I love actually, I love when Bravo dips into like
the youth.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They had that show Real Real Girlfriends in Paris, which
I adored. They had Princesses Long Island years ago, Gallery Girls.
So but they all never seem to work. I mean,
they work great for me, I love them, but they
never seem to connect with the audience. And your show
is finally the one that broke through. And by the way,
you know what, I really love I love that. Like
(46:50):
in the beginning day, I feel like Bravo was really
pushing hard that the parent angle, like, look, these are
the kids of famous people. But I feel like in
the trailer for the next season, the parents were not
really there. It was really you guys, And I think
that's the way it should be, because like we cared
about you guys more than the parents, or I'll say
I cared more.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
About you guys. Yeah, and so I'm hoping that you
guys are more centered.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, no, for sure, and that definitely was a huge
part of its second season. You also have to understand,
like our parents are happy to be there and kind
of segue and help when needed, but it's not their job,
like next Gen is not.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
We're busy. Yeah, time for this. Are you guys like
the cool kids now?
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Because I feel like all the rumors that we keep
hearing are all the other Bravo kids are trying to
get on like other next gens like next Gen LA,
or they're trying to get onto your next gen. Now
that you're like on next gen, and you're kind of like, yeah,
that's right, I'm on next Gen New York City.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I mean, no, you're like, I've been here for a while.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I've never had that mentality. But I do think it's funny.
How I think it's cool. I should say I think
it's cool and interesting. How obviously Bravo obviously started a
huge franchise with the Real Housewives going from New York
to OC to Jersey to now all the way. Like
they just came out with Rhode Island and they're killing it.
(48:10):
So it's just crazy to see, like twenty years later
that they're still coming out with new states and cities
to produce these shows with.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And with Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I like hearing that, I was like, this is kind
of cool, Like now Next Gen might turn into the
new Real Housewives, which is.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Nothing nothing new, but Next Gen.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Could franchise franchise, yeah, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, because it's like gen Z representation because you know,
millennials are all on Summer house right now, and then
you got to like gen X on The Real Housewives
or I guess it's millennials too, because like that to
be a Real housewive. I mean, Kelsey on Rhode Island's thirty,
so she's pretty young. But yeah, now finally there's like
a way in for like the young ins on Bravo,
(48:59):
which is super cool.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, definitely, Well, thank you guys so much for coming
on Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
This was so fun.
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