April 25, 2026 • 30 mins
Today’s guest is Kim Hunt—better known on social media as @SlaytheGOP. She is a political science major who has studied journalism and amassed a social media following of over 650,000 active supporters. Her experience in the foster care system has given her a unique perspective of various societal pitfalls and how to best remedy them.
We discuss her many issues with GOP governance, her issues with Democrats, how content creators fall short with their attempts at journalism and lists her best practices that she observes when recording.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm your host,
Ramsey's job. Big shout out to q Ward, who is
taking care of his family today on some personal business.
But have no fear. We are going to be having
a conversation with a special guest in just a few minutes,
(00:27):
and my hope is that the conversation will cover a
range of topics, notably the intersection of religion and the
Bible in politics, today's politics especially. We're also going to
talk about a lot of content creator's attempts at journalism
(00:52):
and where they fall short, and hopefully learn from someone
who knows a bit about that what best practices look like.
And you know, there's a whole lot that we do
need to talk about, So you know I won't Donald,
Let's get right to it. Today's guest is Kim Hunt,
better known on social media as at Slay the Gop.
(01:14):
She is a political science major who has studied journalism
and amassed a social media following of over six hundred
and fifty thousand active supporters. Her experience in the foster
care system has given her a unique perspective on various
societal pitfalls and how to best remedy them. Kim, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, yeah, We've been wanting to do this for some time.
I'm glad we caught you. I know that you're on
your way out of town, but it really means a
lot that you would come. We're big fans, both myself
and Q of the content that you're creating and keeping
everyone on their toes, and I'm confident that our listeners,
some of them, I'm sure know exactly who you are.
You know, I've seen some of your videos go viral
(01:53):
before we started like following you, But you know, it's
it's often the case that you're going to be brand
new to some folks. So do us a favor. Let's
start right here. First, talk about a little bit about
your background and sort of what kind of led you
to this type of activism.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Sure, so, I was born and raised in Tucson, Arizona,
and I didn't exactly have the most conventional upbringing. My
mom and dad were never married, so they had me
and my brother, and my mom left when I was
like five or six years old, and quite frankly, I
just never saw her again. And so I grew up
(02:36):
with a single dad, and I grew up seeing him
struggling to support us on his own. And as my
dad was someone who dropped out of school when he
was in middle school, he could only really take jobs
that you know, didn't have too many requisites.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So my dad was a milkman.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I remember being in elementary school embarrassed that my dad
was the same person delivering milk during school inches and
you know, everyone would be like, Oh, that's your dad,
isn't it. Like yeah, but yeah. So my dad struggled
pretty heavily with drug and alcohol addiction. There were times
when I had to shower in the dark because our
(03:19):
electricity was turned off. No one should have to know
what that's like. But there were times where I would
be watching my brother because my dad would be on
benders and he'd be gone for days at a time.
It means drinking for extended periods, so he would be
(03:41):
gone on these benders and I would just kind of
have to make sure me and my brother got to school.
And you know, if it was something as simple as
making him a bowl of cereal just you know, making
sure he's fed. So yeah, so CPS stepped in when
my aunt and uncle noticed how often we were getting
evicted from apartments. I want to say we got evicted
(04:04):
about eleven times over the span of like seven years.
So yeah, So me and my brother were taken out
of the custody of my dad and we were put
in the care of my aunt and uncle.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So my uncle was my dad's brother.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
My uncle was an evangelical Christian and I would go
as far as to say a white nationalist, which is
pretty ironic because my aunt was fully Hispanic. But my
uncle was so Christian that he forced my aunt to
denounce her Catholicism before she married my uncle.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was interesting being raised with like these hyper Christian ideologies,
and I was, as someone who is interracial myself, I
thought it was interesting. My uncle was always preaching about
interracial marriage being wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Wait, so your uncle was married to a Hispanic woman,
saying that interracial marriage is wrong, correct, Okay? Yeah, and
you yourself, you said you were Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So my mom is Mexican and my dad's white.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, all right, so I never really understood why he
was teaching these things.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I mean I was raised about like reverse racism.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Uh. And you know, now that I'm much older, I'm
like that doesn't exist. But you know, when you're like
twelve years old, you don't know what they're preaching to you.
You kind of just nod your head and say, Okay,
those aren't really things you want to talk about. They're
not things that you understand. But the older I got,
the more radical the teachings were. Like I was taught
(05:46):
that abortion is wrong, even in cases of maybe women
getting pregnant against their consent and being told that God
has a plan and that maybe someone was impregnated again
their will, but there's a couple down the street that
can't conceive, and you know, trying to make light of
situations like that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So I was raised with a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Of conservative ideologies heading into college, and thankfully, when I
got to college, I very quickly learned that the world
doesn't operate the way I was taught, and so thankfully
you're meeting a much more diverse group of people and
then you can come to your own conclusions. So that's yeah,
(06:31):
a lot of why I have the opinions that I do,
and the woman that I call my mother and who
so proudly calls me her daughter. She actually was my
neighbor growing up when my dad was alive and we
lived in the same apartment complex, and her son was
(06:52):
my brother's age. So back then, children used to be
able to just go outside and come back, you know,
by like six, and so my brother would run off
for the day, and you know, one day he came
home with this kid and he was like, this is
my best friend. And I ended up meeting his mom,
and she was only twenty eight at the time, and
she had a ten year old kid, and so it
(07:18):
was just interesting seeing like the dynamics between this young
black single mother and my white dad and them just
taking care of each other's children. So if she had
dates and stuff, you know, my dad would watch her son,
and if my dad had dates, she would gladly watch
me and my brother. And I'm so glad that I
(07:41):
still have her in my life. My aunt and uncle
made me stop talking to her when they got custody
of me, and I was able to reconnect with her
once I got to college, and she actually moved from
Tucson to Phoenix to be closer to me.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, well, again, we're just introducing you to our audience.
So talk a little bit about the type of content
that you create, because obviously you have not just a
massive following, but it very engaged following out I see them,
you have a lot of support. Yeah, I have a
(08:16):
lot of trolls too, but we'll get to that lead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, I will say, with the person who is currently
leading this administration, it made a lot of people being
comfortable being bigots and being racist, and so as someone
who now currently has nothing to lose, I have no
problem calling that out. I know a lot of these
(08:38):
people say things because they know it's provocative and they
know it's going to garner engagement, and I just think
it's disgusting and it's harmful and it needs to not
be normalized. So, you know, a lot of it is
just calling out hypocrisy and pointing out how dangerous certain
rhetoric can be, and calling out misinformation. I think there's
(09:01):
a lot of fear mongering that the right does a lot,
and it perpetuates violence amongst marginalized communities.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Sure. Sure, Now I want to circle back because we
did talk about you having kind of a unique perspective
on some of the pitfalls in society, and I think
that this kind of informs your opinions in the content
that you've been creating. And we mentioned that you spent
(09:31):
some time sort of in the foster care system, So
talk about that. What was that like and how did
that shape your outlook to the degree that it now
informs the content that you create.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of what I experienced and
what I endured while I was in foster care really
just reinforced my beliefs when it comes to reproductive rights,
because as a foster child who should not have ever
been placed under the care that I was in, I
(10:08):
just think that when you are trying to force people
to have children that they don't want, you also can't
be voting for policies that they can't fall back on
to support themselves. So you know, there's these safety nets
like food stamps, for example. And if someone thinks it's
(10:31):
in their best interests to have an abortion because they
know that they can't afford a child, and then you
force them to have said child, then you're forcing them
into hunger. And I think it actually increases things like
crime because people are going to do things out of
desperation and necessity and it's just a big domino effect
(10:51):
from there.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love that well, I love that you said that,
and I'm sure you know that you're not the first
to actually state that. I've seen people make that argument
masterfully in front of folks who fall back. Ultimately, it
(11:14):
either comes back to religion or this idea that you
and I aren't on the same team. So no matter
what you say, I'm going to disagree with. But that's
an excellent point that you made, is that there exists
this sort of apparatus that is designed to allow folks
(11:40):
and out if they feel like they're not prepared to
heed that responsibility. And it obviously it affects women to
a lesser degree affects men, but it's women that kind
of bear the brunt of it. And it's so funny,
as you mentioned, it's the pro life group that you know,
(12:03):
champion these odd causes when the truth is it's they
should call themselves a pro birth group, right, But you
know they will say things and I think that you
you kind of just mentioned this that you know, hey,
we it's God's plan, it's whatever, that sort of stuff,
that this baby should be here. And then once the
(12:25):
baby comes, the baby's hungry the mom's hungry, and hungry
people will seek food. Poor people relative to the rest
of society will seek to remedy that impoverished state. It
is a natural phenomenon. It occurs across races, it occurs
across faiths, it occurs across countries and so forth. And
(12:48):
that's the part where I feel conservatives tend to turn
a blind eye. Okay, the baby is here, that's what
we wanted, It's God's will. Then the baby gets older
realizes I don't have enough. My mom didn't have enough,
and you have it, so I'm gonna come take it
correct And then those same conservatives say, get this criminal
off the street.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, and it's a situation that they created, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, so yeah, And not only that, though, I mean,
aside from policies alone, think about the type of person
that you're breeding and putting into society, even if it's
just from the standpoint of the woman not wanting to have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Had the baby. Believe, as a child, if you grow.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Up knowing that your mom doesn't like you, you were
going to grow up with such psychological issues and inflict
so much pain on so many people that come across you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I've known people like that in my life, and it's
I've been able to witness in the home a mother
saying I wish that I didn't have you, And that's
like among the most heartbreaking things I've ever witnessed. And
(14:01):
I know that it's not just one instance in my life.
I just I was able to witness it and see
how a person they try to tough it out. Ah,
you're just talking blah blah blah blah. You know, it's
like a deeply scarring thing. And so yeah, so I
think that they don't think beyond again that biblical framework,
which is in and of itself a deeply flawed interpretation
(14:24):
of the scripture. And you know, we're moving toward daily
a religious I think the term would be like religious oligarchy.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, so where the kind of the laws of this
Biblical the misinterpretation of this this Bible written two thousand
years before, you know, this time that we live in
now informs the way people feel about things that otherwise
(14:59):
are very logical and make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
The interpretation is selective and that too, Yes, yes, excellent.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So one of the other followers content creators that I
pay close attention to is a guy named Dan McClellan.
Another one is Monty Materer, and Monty's a friend of
the show, and they do their content. They go through
(15:27):
and make these biblical breakdowns of things like abortion, of
things like whatever, every almost everything that well, I would
say everything. I haven't found a major pillar upon which
conservative i'll say GOP identity rests on. I have not
(15:51):
seen one that actually stands up to a scholarly interpretation
of the Bible. Indeed, it is simply a common misinterpretation
that is shared one generation to the next, or again
selective interpretation as you mentioned. So so yeah, now, speaking
of which you know, there are a lot of content
creators like Monty. There are a lot of content creators
(16:11):
like Dan, a lot of content creators like you, And
there are a lot of content creators who, uh, if
I were to put it kindly, I would say they're
doing their best. If I was being accurate, I would
say they really don't have any business in that space.
It's just there. They might be. They're definitely causing more
(16:32):
harm than good. What are some of the problems that you,
as a person with a bit of a journalism background
and indeed a successful content creator. What are some of
the problems that you see with we'll call them influencers
who who present themselves as journalists in in you know, uh,
(16:52):
online spaces.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think a lot of people complain that or if
they conflate the two. One thing I want to note
is I've noticed that there are a lot of white
women who are very mediocre and they had no fallback
career plan. So when something that didn't pan out, like
being in Hollywood. You know, maybe you auditioned for something
(17:17):
and didn't get the part, and you were really relying
on that and you didn't go to college or you didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Develop a skill set.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
A lot of these white women are rewarded on the
basis of saying inflammatory things and then getting invited onto
Fox News. That is something that I think is on
the rise. I think it's something that needs to be
called out. I don't think it's a behavior that should
continue to get rewarded. Just my two cents about that.
(17:47):
But I will say there are a lot of content
creators who feel the need to deliver news that should
be investigative, and they're doing it in a way that
they think is entertaining, but I think is actually deeply
disrespectful to the subject matter. For example, there is a
creator named Zach Peters and he talks a lot about
(18:10):
the Nancy Gothrie case happening in Tucson with Savannah Gothri's
mother who was kidnapped in the middle of the night.
And her name is Nancy Gothrie. That's the woman that's missing.
And this guy will pop in every single day and say,
here's an update regarding Nancy Bine Ramsay, and he thinks
(18:30):
it's funny. And if my mother was missing, I wouldn't
want someone to make jokes about her name. I would
want people to take the subject very seriously. This is
an elderly woman who is most likely deceased because of
her medical issues, and we have someone who makes a
comedic joke about her name on a daily basis. There's
(18:52):
a case happening out of Peoria, Arizona, where a high
school student, a male high school student, was sleeping with
two different teachers from the same high school. And there
was a female content creator who calls herself a journalist
who has been covering this story for quite some time
as if it were like a TV series. And so
(19:13):
she records this video kind of seems like you're on
FaceTime with her, like that's the casualness of how she's
delivering this story. And so she's talking about how she
got an email from one of her followers who wanted
to provide information about one of the teachers that was
sleeping with a student. So she says, I have some
piping hot tea. Let's make some popcorn and read this email.
(19:37):
Why are we calling child sexual assault piping hot tea?
No ethical journalist is going to deliver a story in
that manner.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I would like to add real quick, I'm guessing you
would agree, but if the student at the center of
that were female and two teachers both male, perhaps this
creator might not have delivered it with that level of
(20:10):
I don't know if this creator was trying to be
comedic in that moment, but that that level of like.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Levity, Yeah, there's no there's just no discernment.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So I just think that a lot of these content
creators their goal is entertainment and it's engagement and it's
not education.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
So so how about this in your because we do
have a lot of folks that listen, and maybe they
don't have as big a platform as you or some
of these other folks that we're talking about. But they,
in their own way and in their own circles, are
providing some insight into the goings on for their you know,
(20:52):
friend group, right, And you know these are people that
they got to wake up tomorrow at six, get the
kids ready, and then they I forgot to get groceries yesterday,
I got to go to They're not tapped in like
perhaps you me to. So it's their friends, the folks
that might be listening to us right now that are
(21:14):
creating and sharing content. As a person that has that background,
what are some of the best practices that you use
before you hit send on a piece of content? What
are some self checks that keep you in compliance with
I think your idea of what is appropriate to send
(21:36):
out there versus some of the other folks you mentioned
they're sending out inappropriate content.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, I think framing is everything, right. I think that
delivery shapes perception. And so for example, this is a
very popular name, you probably know it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Aaron Parnisay, he.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is very biased, I will say so. When he was
talking about Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Putin, he said
Donald Trump met with I want to say he called
him a war criminal, but he did not use that
same verbiage when Donald Trump met with Benjamin Netnahoo.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Now why is that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Aaron Parness has always been very openly pro Israel. I
think the the most important thing is to remain morally consistent.
It is to be objective, to stick with the facts.
I think it's normal for everyone to have a little
bit of bias, but do not spread misinformation. And yeah,
(22:42):
I just I really think that the main thing is consistency.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
One of the things that is true in this more
traditional environment in which you know, we find ourselves today
is that we recognize that we have a relationship with
our listeners, right, and we have a schedule, so we
(23:10):
don't take breaks like a person might take a break
from a social media feed, and so we're like kind
of right on top of the news cycle. And we
don't pretend that we are unbiased. That is not realistic
for a person as black as me, it just isn't.
(23:31):
And we celebrate that we are actively working toward a
future that is more inclusive, that understands that diversity is
a strength and can be a strength even more so,
and when we all work together and when we all
kind of treat each other the right way, we end
(23:54):
up living in the best version of the world. And
so we don't pretend that that bias doesn't exist. However,
we in this space from time to time. It is
infrequent because we do a lot of like we try
to do as much journalistic, journalistically credible research as we
(24:15):
can prior to going on there. We have daily meetings
about it. But you know, inevitably, sometimes either you misspeak,
or there's a bad take, or you just get bad information.
These things happen again infrequently, but it does happen, and
I think that for us one standard that we have
(24:39):
to do which I don't often see in online spaces.
And to your point, I think that a lot of
these influencers that that kind of work in that space.
They they they capitalize on I guess their followers excitement
or engagement, even if it's negative, even if it's based
(25:01):
on misinformation. However, in this platform, with these microphones, we
cannot We simply can't do that. And if we do
get something wrong, we have a responsibility to come back
on the air the next day say we got it
wrong loud, so everybody hears it, and we try to
(25:24):
dedicate as much time to fixing it as we did
creating the harm, and in that way we can continue
to be credible for the following day. And so that
level of intentionality when it comes to us making again
the infrequent mistake that we may make on this platform,
(25:45):
I think that's something that around here at least works,
and I don't really see that often online because again,
once the clicks have been received, I guess an apology
video or something taking something back might not get as
much in gas Agent. I think the platforms are a
little different too.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Any thoughts, No, I think I think what you said
is incredibly important. I think a lot of people they
won't walk back on something that they said because it
already got the virality that it needed.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So there's another aspect to this whole influencer versus journalist
thing is a journalist has to have that integrity sure,
and a content creator can be like, Okay, well I'm
going to continue to capitalize on this lie that I
knowingly spread. You may not have intended to lie when
you initially said it, but once you see that whereas
you have, you can delete the video.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But you won't.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know, as long as people are poorn in, you're counting. Okay. Now,
one of the things that I you you talk about
this in some of your videos. You talk about, you know,
women's rights being rolled back. And we've tried to have
(26:56):
these conversations on this show about some of the more
toxic male influencers, the sort of dude bros, the crypto guys,
the those type of people. And then I forget the
other guy's name, it might be uh, Andrew Tate. I
(27:19):
want to say these sorts of folk, Yes, talk to
us about because we in our opinion, it's there's a
male loneliness, loneliness epidemic that kind of has that creates
an audience for these types of people. So talk to
us about those that phenomenon if you, if you can.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah. So essentially, I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Men are being discouraged from being in touch with their
femininity and you know, having a feminine side, and that's
the side that caters to this red pill content. I
read a really interesting book called No More Mister Nice Guy,
and it was written by I want to See as
(28:11):
a therapist, and he kind.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Of touched base on how post World War two.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The divorce rate in the United States skyrocketed, and women
were the ones getting soul custody of their sons.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And whether out of spite or what have you.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Women were raising their sons in what their idea of
what a man should be versus boys no longer going
out into the fields with their fathers having male to
mail relationships. And it really just kind of bred, you know,
the type of men who do things because they want
something in return versus doing something to simply do something kind.
(28:55):
And so now we have the types of men out
in today's society. They can't handle rejection. So you know,
women aren't comfortable being approached in public spaces anymore because
they don't know how that situation is going to play out. Yeah,
because these men feel entitled to us for you know,
whatever reasons. On the same token, we have women who
(29:21):
will call it harassment if the person approaching them is
just simply not attractive. That's an interesting dichotomy. I think
that's why most people are meeting on dating apps these days.
But yeah, you know, I myself, as a woman, I
wouldn't feel comfortable telling a man that I'm not interested.
(29:42):
I would probably give him my number and then never
talk to him again, because I think that's safer than
telling a man no to his face.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Sure, stay tuned, we're going to be back with more
with at Slay the Gop, or as she's known in
the studio Kim Hunt right after this
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I'm your host,
Ramsey's job. Big shout out to q Ward, who is
taking care of his family today on some personal business.
But have no fear. We are going to be having
a conversation with a special guest in just a few minutes,
(00:27):
and my hope is that the conversation will cover a
range of topics, notably the intersection of religion and the
Bible in politics, today's politics especially. We're also going to
talk about a lot of content creator's attempts at journalism
(00:52):
and where they fall short, and hopefully learn from someone
who knows a bit about that what best practices look like.
And you know, there's a whole lot that we do
need to talk about, So you know I won't Donald,
Let's get right to it. Today's guest is Kim Hunt,
better known on social media as at Slay the Gop.
(01:14):
She is a political science major who has studied journalism
and amassed a social media following of over six hundred
and fifty thousand active supporters. Her experience in the foster
care system has given her a unique perspective on various
societal pitfalls and how to best remedy them. Kim, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, yeah, We've been wanting to do this for some time.
I'm glad we caught you. I know that you're on
your way out of town, but it really means a
lot that you would come. We're big fans, both myself
and Q of the content that you're creating and keeping
everyone on their toes, and I'm confident that our listeners,
some of them, I'm sure know exactly who you are.
You know, I've seen some of your videos go viral
(01:53):
before we started like following you, But you know, it's
it's often the case that you're going to be brand
new to some folks. So do us a favor. Let's
start right here. First, talk about a little bit about
your background and sort of what kind of led you
to this type of activism.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Sure, so, I was born and raised in Tucson, Arizona,
and I didn't exactly have the most conventional upbringing. My
mom and dad were never married, so they had me
and my brother, and my mom left when I was
like five or six years old, and quite frankly, I
just never saw her again. And so I grew up
(02:36):
with a single dad, and I grew up seeing him
struggling to support us on his own. And as my
dad was someone who dropped out of school when he
was in middle school, he could only really take jobs
that you know, didn't have too many requisites.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So my dad was a milkman.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I remember being in elementary school embarrassed that my dad
was the same person delivering milk during school inches and
you know, everyone would be like, Oh, that's your dad,
isn't it. Like yeah, but yeah. So my dad struggled
pretty heavily with drug and alcohol addiction. There were times
when I had to shower in the dark because our
(03:19):
electricity was turned off. No one should have to know
what that's like. But there were times where I would
be watching my brother because my dad would be on
benders and he'd be gone for days at a time.
It means drinking for extended periods, so he would be
(03:41):
gone on these benders and I would just kind of
have to make sure me and my brother got to school.
And you know, if it was something as simple as
making him a bowl of cereal just you know, making
sure he's fed. So yeah, so CPS stepped in when
my aunt and uncle noticed how often we were getting
evicted from apartments. I want to say we got evicted
(04:04):
about eleven times over the span of like seven years.
So yeah, So me and my brother were taken out
of the custody of my dad and we were put
in the care of my aunt and uncle.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So my uncle was my dad's brother.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
My uncle was an evangelical Christian and I would go
as far as to say a white nationalist, which is
pretty ironic because my aunt was fully Hispanic. But my
uncle was so Christian that he forced my aunt to
denounce her Catholicism before she married my uncle.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was interesting being raised with like these hyper Christian ideologies,
and I was, as someone who is interracial myself, I
thought it was interesting. My uncle was always preaching about
interracial marriage being wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Wait, so your uncle was married to a Hispanic woman,
saying that interracial marriage is wrong, correct, Okay? Yeah, and
you yourself, you said you were Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So my mom is Mexican and my dad's white.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, all right, so I never really understood why he
was teaching these things.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I mean I was raised about like reverse racism.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Uh. And you know, now that I'm much older, I'm
like that doesn't exist. But you know, when you're like
twelve years old, you don't know what they're preaching to you.
You kind of just nod your head and say, Okay,
those aren't really things you want to talk about. They're
not things that you understand. But the older I got,
the more radical the teachings were. Like I was taught
(05:46):
that abortion is wrong, even in cases of maybe women
getting pregnant against their consent and being told that God
has a plan and that maybe someone was impregnated again
their will, but there's a couple down the street that
can't conceive, and you know, trying to make light of
situations like that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So I was raised with a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Of conservative ideologies heading into college, and thankfully, when I
got to college, I very quickly learned that the world
doesn't operate the way I was taught, and so thankfully
you're meeting a much more diverse group of people and
then you can come to your own conclusions. So that's yeah,
(06:31):
a lot of why I have the opinions that I do,
and the woman that I call my mother and who
so proudly calls me her daughter. She actually was my
neighbor growing up when my dad was alive and we
lived in the same apartment complex, and her son was
(06:52):
my brother's age. So back then, children used to be
able to just go outside and come back, you know,
by like six, and so my brother would run off
for the day, and you know, one day he came
home with this kid and he was like, this is
my best friend. And I ended up meeting his mom,
and she was only twenty eight at the time, and
she had a ten year old kid, and so it
(07:18):
was just interesting seeing like the dynamics between this young
black single mother and my white dad and them just
taking care of each other's children. So if she had
dates and stuff, you know, my dad would watch her son,
and if my dad had dates, she would gladly watch
me and my brother. And I'm so glad that I
(07:41):
still have her in my life. My aunt and uncle
made me stop talking to her when they got custody
of me, and I was able to reconnect with her
once I got to college, and she actually moved from
Tucson to Phoenix to be closer to me.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, well, again, we're just introducing you to our audience.
So talk a little bit about the type of content
that you create, because obviously you have not just a
massive following, but it very engaged following out I see them,
you have a lot of support. Yeah, I have a
(08:16):
lot of trolls too, but we'll get to that lead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, I will say, with the person who is currently
leading this administration, it made a lot of people being
comfortable being bigots and being racist, and so as someone
who now currently has nothing to lose, I have no
problem calling that out. I know a lot of these
(08:38):
people say things because they know it's provocative and they
know it's going to garner engagement, and I just think
it's disgusting and it's harmful and it needs to not
be normalized. So, you know, a lot of it is
just calling out hypocrisy and pointing out how dangerous certain
rhetoric can be, and calling out misinformation. I think there's
(09:01):
a lot of fear mongering that the right does a lot,
and it perpetuates violence amongst marginalized communities.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Sure. Sure, Now I want to circle back because we
did talk about you having kind of a unique perspective
on some of the pitfalls in society, and I think
that this kind of informs your opinions in the content
that you've been creating. And we mentioned that you spent
(09:31):
some time sort of in the foster care system, So
talk about that. What was that like and how did
that shape your outlook to the degree that it now
informs the content that you create.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of what I experienced and
what I endured while I was in foster care really
just reinforced my beliefs when it comes to reproductive rights,
because as a foster child who should not have ever
been placed under the care that I was in, I
(10:08):
just think that when you are trying to force people
to have children that they don't want, you also can't
be voting for policies that they can't fall back on
to support themselves. So you know, there's these safety nets
like food stamps, for example. And if someone thinks it's
(10:31):
in their best interests to have an abortion because they
know that they can't afford a child, and then you
force them to have said child, then you're forcing them
into hunger. And I think it actually increases things like
crime because people are going to do things out of
desperation and necessity and it's just a big domino effect
(10:51):
from there.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love that well, I love that you said that,
and I'm sure you know that you're not the first
to actually state that. I've seen people make that argument
masterfully in front of folks who fall back. Ultimately, it
(11:14):
either comes back to religion or this idea that you
and I aren't on the same team. So no matter
what you say, I'm going to disagree with. But that's
an excellent point that you made, is that there exists
this sort of apparatus that is designed to allow folks
(11:40):
and out if they feel like they're not prepared to
heed that responsibility. And it obviously it affects women to
a lesser degree affects men, but it's women that kind
of bear the brunt of it. And it's so funny,
as you mentioned, it's the pro life group that you know,
(12:03):
champion these odd causes when the truth is it's they
should call themselves a pro birth group, right, But you
know they will say things and I think that you
you kind of just mentioned this that you know, hey,
we it's God's plan, it's whatever, that sort of stuff,
that this baby should be here. And then once the
(12:25):
baby comes, the baby's hungry the mom's hungry, and hungry
people will seek food. Poor people relative to the rest
of society will seek to remedy that impoverished state. It
is a natural phenomenon. It occurs across races, it occurs
across faiths, it occurs across countries and so forth. And
(12:48):
that's the part where I feel conservatives tend to turn
a blind eye. Okay, the baby is here, that's what
we wanted, It's God's will. Then the baby gets older
realizes I don't have enough. My mom didn't have enough,
and you have it, so I'm gonna come take it
correct And then those same conservatives say, get this criminal
off the street.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, and it's a situation that they created, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, so yeah, And not only that, though, I mean,
aside from policies alone, think about the type of person
that you're breeding and putting into society, even if it's
just from the standpoint of the woman not wanting to have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Had the baby. Believe, as a child, if you grow.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Up knowing that your mom doesn't like you, you were
going to grow up with such psychological issues and inflict
so much pain on so many people that come across you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I've known people like that in my life, and it's
I've been able to witness in the home a mother
saying I wish that I didn't have you, And that's
like among the most heartbreaking things I've ever witnessed. And
(14:01):
I know that it's not just one instance in my life.
I just I was able to witness it and see
how a person they try to tough it out. Ah,
you're just talking blah blah blah blah. You know, it's
like a deeply scarring thing. And so yeah, so I
think that they don't think beyond again that biblical framework,
which is in and of itself a deeply flawed interpretation
(14:24):
of the scripture. And you know, we're moving toward daily
a religious I think the term would be like religious oligarchy.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, so where the kind of the laws of this
Biblical the misinterpretation of this this Bible written two thousand
years before, you know, this time that we live in
now informs the way people feel about things that otherwise
(14:59):
are very logical and make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
The interpretation is selective and that too, Yes, yes, excellent.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So one of the other followers content creators that I
pay close attention to is a guy named Dan McClellan.
Another one is Monty Materer, and Monty's a friend of
the show, and they do their content. They go through
(15:27):
and make these biblical breakdowns of things like abortion, of
things like whatever, every almost everything that well, I would
say everything. I haven't found a major pillar upon which
conservative i'll say GOP identity rests on. I have not
(15:51):
seen one that actually stands up to a scholarly interpretation
of the Bible. Indeed, it is simply a common misinterpretation
that is shared one generation to the next, or again
selective interpretation as you mentioned. So so yeah, now, speaking
of which you know, there are a lot of content
creators like Monty. There are a lot of content creators
(16:11):
like Dan, a lot of content creators like you, And
there are a lot of content creators who, uh, if
I were to put it kindly, I would say they're
doing their best. If I was being accurate, I would
say they really don't have any business in that space.
It's just there. They might be. They're definitely causing more
(16:32):
harm than good. What are some of the problems that you,
as a person with a bit of a journalism background
and indeed a successful content creator. What are some of
the problems that you see with we'll call them influencers
who who present themselves as journalists in in you know, uh,
(16:52):
online spaces.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think a lot of people complain that or if
they conflate the two. One thing I want to note
is I've noticed that there are a lot of white
women who are very mediocre and they had no fallback
career plan. So when something that didn't pan out, like
being in Hollywood. You know, maybe you auditioned for something
(17:17):
and didn't get the part, and you were really relying
on that and you didn't go to college or you didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Develop a skill set.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
A lot of these white women are rewarded on the
basis of saying inflammatory things and then getting invited onto
Fox News. That is something that I think is on
the rise. I think it's something that needs to be
called out. I don't think it's a behavior that should
continue to get rewarded. Just my two cents about that.
(17:47):
But I will say there are a lot of content
creators who feel the need to deliver news that should
be investigative, and they're doing it in a way that
they think is entertaining, but I think is actually deeply
disrespectful to the subject matter. For example, there is a
creator named Zach Peters and he talks a lot about
(18:10):
the Nancy Gothrie case happening in Tucson with Savannah Gothri's
mother who was kidnapped in the middle of the night.
And her name is Nancy Gothrie. That's the woman that's missing.
And this guy will pop in every single day and say,
here's an update regarding Nancy Bine Ramsay, and he thinks
(18:30):
it's funny. And if my mother was missing, I wouldn't
want someone to make jokes about her name. I would
want people to take the subject very seriously. This is
an elderly woman who is most likely deceased because of
her medical issues, and we have someone who makes a
comedic joke about her name on a daily basis. There's
(18:52):
a case happening out of Peoria, Arizona, where a high
school student, a male high school student, was sleeping with
two different teachers from the same high school. And there
was a female content creator who calls herself a journalist
who has been covering this story for quite some time
as if it were like a TV series. And so
(19:13):
she records this video kind of seems like you're on
FaceTime with her, like that's the casualness of how she's
delivering this story. And so she's talking about how she
got an email from one of her followers who wanted
to provide information about one of the teachers that was
sleeping with a student. So she says, I have some
piping hot tea. Let's make some popcorn and read this email.
(19:37):
Why are we calling child sexual assault piping hot tea?
No ethical journalist is going to deliver a story in
that manner.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I would like to add real quick, I'm guessing you
would agree, but if the student at the center of
that were female and two teachers both male, perhaps this
creator might not have delivered it with that level of
(20:10):
I don't know if this creator was trying to be
comedic in that moment, but that that level of like.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Levity, Yeah, there's no there's just no discernment.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
So I just think that a lot of these content
creators their goal is entertainment and it's engagement and it's
not education.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
So so how about this in your because we do
have a lot of folks that listen, and maybe they
don't have as big a platform as you or some
of these other folks that we're talking about. But they,
in their own way and in their own circles, are
providing some insight into the goings on for their you know,
(20:52):
friend group, right, And you know these are people that
they got to wake up tomorrow at six, get the
kids ready, and then they I forgot to get groceries yesterday,
I got to go to They're not tapped in like
perhaps you me to. So it's their friends, the folks
that might be listening to us right now that are
(21:14):
creating and sharing content. As a person that has that background,
what are some of the best practices that you use
before you hit send on a piece of content? What
are some self checks that keep you in compliance with
I think your idea of what is appropriate to send
(21:36):
out there versus some of the other folks you mentioned
they're sending out inappropriate content.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, I think framing is everything, right. I think that
delivery shapes perception. And so for example, this is a
very popular name, you probably know it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Aaron Parnisay, he.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is very biased, I will say so. When he was
talking about Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Putin, he said
Donald Trump met with I want to say he called
him a war criminal, but he did not use that
same verbiage when Donald Trump met with Benjamin Netnahoo.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Now why is that?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Aaron Parness has always been very openly pro Israel. I
think the the most important thing is to remain morally consistent.
It is to be objective, to stick with the facts.
I think it's normal for everyone to have a little
bit of bias, but do not spread misinformation. And yeah,
(22:42):
I just I really think that the main thing is consistency.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
One of the things that is true in this more
traditional environment in which you know, we find ourselves today
is that we recognize that we have a relationship with
our listeners, right, and we have a schedule, so we
(23:10):
don't take breaks like a person might take a break
from a social media feed, and so we're like kind
of right on top of the news cycle. And we
don't pretend that we are unbiased. That is not realistic
for a person as black as me, it just isn't.
(23:31):
And we celebrate that we are actively working toward a
future that is more inclusive, that understands that diversity is
a strength and can be a strength even more so,
and when we all work together and when we all
kind of treat each other the right way, we end
(23:54):
up living in the best version of the world. And
so we don't pretend that that bias doesn't exist. However,
we in this space from time to time. It is
infrequent because we do a lot of like we try
to do as much journalistic, journalistically credible research as we
(24:15):
can prior to going on there. We have daily meetings
about it. But you know, inevitably, sometimes either you misspeak,
or there's a bad take, or you just get bad information.
These things happen again infrequently, but it does happen, and
I think that for us one standard that we have
(24:39):
to do which I don't often see in online spaces.
And to your point, I think that a lot of
these influencers that that kind of work in that space.
They they they capitalize on I guess their followers excitement
or engagement, even if it's negative, even if it's based
(25:01):
on misinformation. However, in this platform, with these microphones, we
cannot We simply can't do that. And if we do
get something wrong, we have a responsibility to come back
on the air the next day say we got it
wrong loud, so everybody hears it, and we try to
(25:24):
dedicate as much time to fixing it as we did
creating the harm, and in that way we can continue
to be credible for the following day. And so that
level of intentionality when it comes to us making again
the infrequent mistake that we may make on this platform,
(25:45):
I think that's something that around here at least works,
and I don't really see that often online because again,
once the clicks have been received, I guess an apology
video or something taking something back might not get as
much in gas Agent. I think the platforms are a
little different too.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Any thoughts, No, I think I think what you said
is incredibly important. I think a lot of people they
won't walk back on something that they said because it
already got the virality that it needed.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So there's another aspect to this whole influencer versus journalist
thing is a journalist has to have that integrity sure,
and a content creator can be like, Okay, well I'm
going to continue to capitalize on this lie that I
knowingly spread. You may not have intended to lie when
you initially said it, but once you see that whereas
you have, you can delete the video.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
But you won't.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know, as long as people are poorn in, you're counting. Okay. Now,
one of the things that I you you talk about
this in some of your videos. You talk about, you know,
women's rights being rolled back. And we've tried to have
(26:56):
these conversations on this show about some of the more
toxic male influencers, the sort of dude bros, the crypto guys,
the those type of people. And then I forget the
other guy's name, it might be uh, Andrew Tate. I
(27:19):
want to say these sorts of folk, Yes, talk to
us about because we in our opinion, it's there's a
male loneliness, loneliness epidemic that kind of has that creates
an audience for these types of people. So talk to
us about those that phenomenon if you, if you can.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah. So essentially, I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Men are being discouraged from being in touch with their
femininity and you know, having a feminine side, and that's
the side that caters to this red pill content. I
read a really interesting book called No More Mister Nice Guy,
and it was written by I want to See as
(28:11):
a therapist, and he kind.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Of touched base on how post World War two.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
The divorce rate in the United States skyrocketed, and women
were the ones getting soul custody of their sons.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
And whether out of spite or what have you.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Women were raising their sons in what their idea of
what a man should be versus boys no longer going
out into the fields with their fathers having male to
mail relationships. And it really just kind of bred, you know,
the type of men who do things because they want
something in return versus doing something to simply do something kind.
(28:55):
And so now we have the types of men out
in today's society. They can't handle rejection. So you know,
women aren't comfortable being approached in public spaces anymore because
they don't know how that situation is going to play out. Yeah,
because these men feel entitled to us for you know,
whatever reasons. On the same token, we have women who
(29:21):
will call it harassment if the person approaching them is
just simply not attractive. That's an interesting dichotomy. I think
that's why most people are meeting on dating apps these days.
But yeah, you know, I myself, as a woman, I
wouldn't feel comfortable telling a man that I'm not interested.
(29:42):
I would probably give him my number and then never
talk to him again, because I think that's safer than
telling a man no to his face.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Sure, stay tuned, we're going to be back with more
with at Slay the Gop, or as she's known in
the studio Kim Hunt right after this
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