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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
You see what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Like the rock something?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm just comfortable, man, okay about Welcome to the show.
Ramp safety Cam, curl Cam. How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm doing good, and I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Appreciate you coming on the bye week. You guys are
coming off the bye week. So what did cam do
in this bye week?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
So what? So?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So take us through your bye week.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You had the whole week off, so you you got
out of town boom.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
No, I ain't even leave it. I ain't gonna lie.
I stayed here.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
I was tired, okay, because we did all that traveling
like Baltimore that whole week. Yeah, when we traveled to
London and play like within like that certain amount of time.
So I was really all right from all the travel
and we ain't get I ain't get home till like Monday,
two thirty in the morning, like I slipped all Monday Tuesday,
I went to facility a few days. You know what
(01:10):
I'm saying. But I just spent time with the family.
Really just trying to let my body rest.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Okay, you ain't doing nothing outside of that though, like
to get away, just to get away from the game
of football.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I mean yeah, like you know, I take the kids
to the park and stuff like, you know what I'm saying,
Like just a little stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I ain't do nothing, crazy, crazy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I Like, you guys are number one, the first, do
your first the red zone, defensive touchdowns allowed, thirty points
allowed eighth and takeaways. What do you think the biggest
reason you guys are having such success on the defensive
side of the football.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I mean, I feel like the system we got in
the scheme we got, it's built around our players, and
what we were able to do is like it's built
for our skill set.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And you know, we've been in this system.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Stur second, you're going on in the system, so we
all comfortable with each other, especially in the secondary, like
this is the first place, like the first time. I mean,
let's bring back a whole like secondary unit. You know
what I'm saying, You know, yeah, usually every year the
room changes, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
since we did that, that just helps us play the
faster because we more comfortable each other and you know,
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know how each other play.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Yeah, and now that you are in your second year
other's defense, how comfortable are you?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You know?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I mean I'm real comfortable, Like I'm real comfortable how
sulocus game. And I'm real comfortable with with all my teammates,
you know what I'm saying. And I just like flying
around those guys like we have to make him plays,
you know what I'm saying. You know, trying to keep
doing that.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Hey, does your coach your defensive courd there do? Does
he allow you the freedom to do things off script
that really really isn't part of X and those But
because you're the one out there on the field and
playing the game and you have a feel for stuff,
can you go off script and do stuff based on
what you've seen on film?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I mean, you know, as long as you make the place,
you know what I'm saying, it ain't gonna be too mad.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But now they do emphasize on us not being robots.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Though you know what I'm saying, they don't want to
team the football instances away from us. You know what
I'm saying. So he listened. He let's just play how
we play. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna always
go within the scheme, you know, in the play call.
But you know, he lets us go out there and
fly around.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You're known for your physical style of play. How did
you get the How do you get the nickname? Cam Bam?
Speaker 8 (03:20):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I got that name? Like in high school it was
a I ain't gonna lie, you know. The females used
to call me that. You know what I'm saying. But yeah, no,
you know, you know I bring that boom on the
field too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You know rhymes, you know, but like, yeah, it's just
it's just a little nickname.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Hey, let me let me. I got a question for you.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Since they call you cam Bam and you and you
know him for you know, coming down here coming to
the party, you think you think you you would have
been able to hit me if you were playing, Like
if I just happened to be in this area, you
think you would hit me?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah? Like, hey, hold on you laughing? You think like
you a little thing man up to twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What you talk about then?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
What what you're winning back? Then again, I was two thirty,
all right, all you got it. If you two thirty,
then you got it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I would have ran through you. But don't, man,
don't do that.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
With you.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
What was some of the factors what was so appealing
for you with signing with the Rams?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, honestly, like off the bat, just you know, Sean
y Vay, you know what I'm saying, just even before
I got here, just seeing him from Afar and you know,
hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff
like that's just off the bat, like a guy you
want to play football for. You know, It's just the
type of guy he is. And you know, I knew
it was a winning colture here. You know, they just
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won the Super Bowl not too long ago, you know
what I'm saying. You know, they always get into the playoffs,
you know, so it was just it felt like the
right fit.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
It's a bunch of young, hungry guys on the on
the defensive side with some stuff prove, and you know,
I feel like I fit right in.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You came in the league kind of like I came
in the league. I was self around draft pick. I
was one ninety two ye or self around draft pick.
And I never felt like I made it. I feel
like I had to go out there every single year
and reprove myself that, like I got to give him
one reason. And I always hit this mindset I gotta
get when I went to practice camp, I would I said,
(05:24):
I got to give him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
One reason to keep me. Just one, man.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You see that rock shop ran man, you see that
catch that he made, You see how he picked up
that blitz, Just one I needed one reason for him
to say, yeah, we got to keep him another day.
What was your mindset coming in? You got a seventh
around draft pick, but from the commanders, what was your mindset?
Because you know, normally seventh round picks don't camp bodies.
They just they just, hey, they need somebody to fill
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out the roster. They didn't really tried, they didn't really
try to give it. No look, but you got to
see me because I'm gonna make you look no.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
In fact, na my mindset. I mean I knew getting
damped in the seventh round. Like I was just talking
to stuff like you know, I gotta take everything to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, just to
try to make this team, you know, coming in because
I was the only rookie dB they had picked up
the whole like draft process, you know, they ain't picking
their frames up and nothing. So I was the only
rooki dB in a room. So like it's like I'm
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going against vets. I'm competing against vets, you know what
I'm saying, people already being in. So I just know
how to take everything to the next level. And you know,
all my vets there back then at twenty twenty season,
like they really brought me in, you know what I'm saying,
and showed me the way, and I just sat back
washing them and learned and you know, started making plays.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, you look being in too different.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Look Washington, LA, How similar or how different are the
defensive systems that where you were in DC compared to
what you are in right now in LA.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I feel like it's a difference.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
I feel like in Washington it was more of like
you know, like a like a straightforward this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know what I'm saying, We're not really.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We wasn't really doing no disguising Like you know, man, you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Just going out there. You ain't got no ski mask,
you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
You ain't got no You're just going like That's how
there real is though, Like you know, like against Jack,
you're gonna put your position. You gotta make the play,
you know, that's all that matters. And I feel like
this Rams defense, it's it's a it's a way more
complex defense, you know what I'm saying. We run tons
of different coverages, Like it's subages that I'm I'm learning
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about this year. I ain't even know it was coverage,
you know what I'm saying. So it's a real complex
defense and it fits us because we got real smart
players on our defense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
That can think on the fly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
We communicate very well, like this defense, communication is key
for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And it's funny when you talk about defenses being very
complex and you're able to do more with the defense
when you had the right players with the right skill
set and can communicate. It brings me back to that
two thousand Ravens, that two thousand, two thousand Steelers defense.
But KC they used to run defenses that weren't even
on film. They weren't on film, and people were always
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out of position, but they were so good with a
great understanding of being able to communicate, and when the
ball snaps, they'll fly back through exactly where they're supposed
to be at.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But it was so confusing for me as an offensive player.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
So the fact that you guys are able to do that,
to run complex stuff that you really don't see on film.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You really don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
What's coming, and keep an offense thinking all the time,
especially at the snap and after the snap of the ball,
you're always having an advantage, always have an advantage defensively for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, Cam, I'm looking at you. Guys are schedules.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, Bucks, Panthers, Cars, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals. Damn,
y'all got a lot of birds up in there, the Seahawks,
the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals. Y'all were
trying to put so many birds out their misery.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that for something, man, that's
the many.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Speaking of man, what has it been like man to
watch Pook and the cool Man and Davonte Adams Man
Davante Still, I know, you know, we we talked about
some of the best receivers in the game. You know,
they mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know, JS
and some of those those those younger guys. But to me,
Davonte Adams is still the best rock runner in the league.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Like playing with him.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But it's crazy, man, just starting off like at practice,
just watching them every day at practice and being able
to go against those type of guys every day.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It makes us a.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Lot better as a defense because every every team you're
not seeing that every day, you know, every day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So that's that's just making us better.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And then the ad Matthew Stafford in the mix with
those two, like it's crazy, but like it's just it's
amazing to see in practice.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And it's hard to like why follow the quarterback eyes
and Matthew Stafford looking over here and he throwing the
ball over there, over there, throw the ball over here.
You're like, coach, why you go there? Because he was
looking over that the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Yes, he doing that to some practice too. It's not
just do.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It too hey when we saw it on the tape
because in the game. You didn't know it because I
was at the Super Bowl when he threw when he
did that in the Super Bowl when he threw, Hey,
he was looking like this here and he threw the
ball and Cooper Cup ended up catching it. It was
right by because the linebacker was dead right. If he
looks at.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Him, the linebacker's gonna pick it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But because he was looking over here and he threw it,
he's like, oh, he ain't in the thought like, oh
my goodnessness.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Like that going right off his head hole.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That was nice.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's crazy. We see that every day.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Man, it's crazy to what you know, Coach Yard still
a receiver coach?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my coach at Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Really yeah. Yard is a cool dude.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Man, my guy. Man, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best of luck,
continued success, stay healthy, and hey, you guys got a
nice little schedule coming up. But hey, you done got
your buy week, you get your second win. Nice time
to hey, time to go finish the task.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Sir, already. I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Man, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of the evening to all right,
we got our special guests joining us. He just sided
with the Broncos, playing in his twentieth season. Played a
grand total of two hundred and eighty five career games
from playing University of California at Los Angeles aka u
(11:33):
C l A herreets ladies, gentlemen, mar Sades Lewis, what's up, brother.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm good man. How you doing, bro?
Speaker 10 (11:41):
I'm doing well, man. Just everything happened so fast. It
was like, obviously, I played nineteen last year, I didn't
get picked up for camp, didn't do OTAs. This is
the first time I hadn't been in camp, So it
was it was a mental It was messing with me
mint for a second because it's something that I've been
(12:01):
used to and I'm one of those that I love camp.
I love building that grizzle and getting ready for the season.
So when I didn't get picked up, it was like, Okay,
you know, how do I want to go about this?
And so I just was kind of more introspective about
it and just kind of was in a state of allowing,
meaning like not resisting nor forcing what was meant for me.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I come back from.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
Joshua Tree, I go to a place where I recover
at getting a sauna. I get a call from a
Tiver number and obviously I didn't answer it because I
didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I'm thinking of spam. I'm like, man, what is this?
Speaker 10 (12:35):
So the number calls back probably like three minutes later,
and I'm like, I still look at my phone, didn't
answer it. And then the GM left a message like, YO,
big dog, give me a call. This George Payton GM
at the Broncos want to talk to you for a second.
So I called him back and literally right there, and
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this was Monday, he was like, yo, can you fly
out here tonight?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I was like, minus you.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I've never been in this situation before, like I've always
been contracted, so it was just different, feeling this, you know,
feeling this right, and so I'm like, you know what, Yeah,
I can fly out there. So I hopped through the
flight like a room eight, got got to Denver like
rooum eleven thirty at night, sat on the tarmac for
like fifty minutes, then went to the hotel and then
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literally next day Tuesday, worked out, took my physical and
ship signed on the spot.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So it's it's definitely a different experience.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, you tell them, hell, yeah you fly, you buy
I fly? Come on now, yeah you buy I fly?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
No doubt?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Hey mer say these was it ever the thought of
your mind that you will be able to but one
make it into the league? Is one thing you want
to play, You want to have a healthy career. You
want to squeeze in as many years as you can, obviously,
But did you ever think you get to your twenty?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Man?
Speaker 10 (13:56):
I thought, you know, obviously coming out of East LA
that ten was gonna be a great career.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And you know, and it was a.
Speaker 10 (14:04):
Situation where I'm not sure you're familiar with John Embry.
He was my tight end coach at he was in
camp with me my rookie year in nineteen ninety. Okay, okay,
so you know Mbo. You know his uh, his energy
and just the type of person in is so obviously Mbo.
You know he coached Tolding, his dollars George Kettle for
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a little while, remember.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Daniel Graham.
Speaker 10 (14:28):
So as far as like that, his resume is dipped
in blood when it comes to like tight ends and
how he's able to get across to those guys, and
you know, and I remember I would say he got
to Ucla my sophomore year, then fired the tight end
coach we had he got to UCLA. In the first
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conversation we had, he was like, look, I didn't come
to Ucla to coach for Ucla.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
He said, I came to Ucla to coach.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
You gave me a whole rundown of Like, my family
knew where I was from. I'm from the east side
of Long Beach. My min had me at fifteen years old.
I've been through just a whole bunch. So he had
already done his homework and that kind of you know,
lit a fire under me. And so right after that
that formed a connection and just like that vibration that
we had, and literally he took me from He said, look,
(15:20):
this is where you are. Now you got the ability
to go through here. He was like, there's a lot
of people that can catch the ball, run and look pretty.
We know that your athlete, who.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
We get it.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
You want to play a long time in the league,
You're gonna have to learn how to get your nose dirty.
And it starts right here. And so he literally took
me from you know, just being able to catch a
pass and do nice things with it to like really
being a dog and with it to being a dog.
And so I learned how to compete under him. And
so by the time I got to the league. This
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is my rookie year. I get drafted in two thousand
and six, Freddie T fred Taylor took me under his wing. Yeah,
and fred Taylor he called me slim like at that
time I was. I was six six, like two sixty,
but I didn't have the mass right, so he just
always just caught me slim. So one the first day
of pads, we got the Oklahoma drill, right, so this
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is like my first Oklahoma drin in the NFL. We
get three d ns U Freddy T's running behind me
twice and then Maurice Drew Is running behind me. I
pancake the first two guys moved a third guy out
the way. Freddy T jumped in my back kind of
like wrestled me almost to the grass and was like, yo,
you keep blocking like that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You going me in the league for.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
A long time. So fast forward to when I signed
my contract. This morning, Freddy T text me and was like,
you remember that conversation we had.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I was like, Bro, how could I ever forget that?
Speaker 10 (16:42):
That's something that I always have with me, and it's
something that's inspired me this whole entire time. So I'm
just grateful to you know, he didn't have to take
me into his wing. He played running back like it was.
It's just been it's been smooth, man. I just take
it one day at a time and you know, just
get my personal best or whatever it is I'm doing
in that day, and I live with the results.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You you you mentioned Mercedes, bro that's still a long
time to get your body to go through the riggers. Look,
we know that you know situational now, but still you
gotta come in there and ain't Jacksonville where you got
nice warm weather.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You played it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You in Chicago, bro side, you're having to go and
you were the Green Bay outside. So so we get it.
So what is the So once you got past year,
once you got past the year ten, as you mentioned,
say I get ten, then you get to fifteen, because
once you get to ten, you take it one year
at a time. Once you got to fifteen, you had
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to be like hold On Gonzales played seventeen, went and
played seventeen. The way I feel right now, seventeen is
in the bag. Whether ever a realistic chot. Once you
got past fifteen, that twenty would be into the place
in the equation.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
Bro, you you just hit it on the nose. And like,
this conversation is something that I have pretty often with
people because they asked me like, how did you like,
like what in your mind made you think that you
can just keep going and keep jumping up to continue
your career. Fifteen was literally that magic number. Once I
passed ten. I got to fifteen, and I was like, Okay,
(18:17):
I don't want to question it because I don't want
to jinx myself, but I still feel really good, right,
And so I get to fifteen, I'm in Green Bay
and literally Green Bay is like, well, we want to
sign you to a two year deal because I was
only doing one year deals, trying to just play it
by ear yep, and like at that time in Green Bay,
obviously we had Jimmy Graham, he had signed the contract,
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he was there for a couple of years, then he
ended up leaving, and then I ended up being like
the full time why. Like, so I was the why,
which means like to do it all tight end for
the listeners out there. And then we had obviously the
pass catching tight end at that time. Robert Tellyan, So,
I was doing all the dirty work outside Ze.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Power. I saw all that, like edge man I was sitting.
I was doing all that.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
And so they I didn't expect them to offer me
a two year deal. I thought it was gonna be
one year, one year. But when they offered me a
two year deal, I felt like it was my responsibility
to go out there and continue to give them what
they know that I that I'm about, and I signed
a deal, didn't look back, got through seventeen still still
felt really good. Ay Rian ends up leaving, Davonte ends
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up leaving, cop retires. Dave Batiari les I'm like, okay,
it's only me here. I know it's about to be
my time to go too. So they hit me up
like hey, Sadi's like.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You know, we're kind of changing the regime, like you know,
you know the.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
So I'm like all right, like no doubt whatever, like
you know, I'll figure it out. And then not too
long after that, I would say, Dune Chicago hit me up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
And then we had had.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
Luke Getsi, who was the quarterback coach with Green Bay
and was familiar with you know, how to use me
as far as the play you know plays and what
I'm good at, and brought me to Chicago thinking that
was gonna be a one year deal. Played that out,
still played about forty three percent of the plays at
thirty nine years old, so I'm still rolling. Then the
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next year bring me back. So that's two years and
then here we are now. It was just like a
once I got eighteen, I was like, I have to
get twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I gotta get. I got it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I can't end, I got to get can't like this
is I literally it was like the capstone, Like twenty.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Is like when I wake up for that number.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Ain't a whole lot of players that's ever played twenty season.
You get, you get a Jacket Slater, and you get
a Tom Brady and you get a handful of guys.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
But maybe I don't think it's twenty guys.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Maybe maybe it's twenty guys, twenty five album people men
that ever played this game.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Darryl Green, Like, it ain't a whole lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So let me ask you, this is this it you
travel twenty one or you've done it twenty You stopping
on a nice, a nice round even number.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Okay, so so this will be the first time I've
ever said this, because I haven't.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
But this is it.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Like if I said that last year, Like if I
said that after nineteen, I wouldn't have felt like I
did in these months that I was not playing right
Like bro I would wake up sometime like the season started.
It was a few teams hit my Asian up, but
it was like just is he still working out? Does
he still want to play? Just a bunch of like fluff.
It wasn't nothing serious. So I told my agent, Buzz Cook.
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I told him, I said, look, if it's not serious, like,
don't hit me up, because it's messing with my head.
Like some days, some days I wake up sharp and
be like, right, I feel good, and in some days
I wake up and I feel like I'm in a
nightmare because I'm waking up. I'm watching ball there and
I'm in my mind, I'm like, there's not sixty four
tight ends better than me in this league, and I
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know I could be out there helping somebody with body. Yeah,
and like especially for what I do at this point
in my career, like I'm the best at this right,
like just point of contact setting, the edge, rock setting
and play pass like you know how it is, like
it's yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I take block up and
we're stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Whatever you want, whatever you want to do. Hey, if
y'all want to put let me be killing it. I
get on that island.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And so hey, hey, and that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
And you know, today Sean Payton pulled me aside and
was like, I've been watching you for the last eight years,
Like even when I was in Green Bay, the Saints
kept trying to get me when he was with the Saints.
He's like, I just want you to know that I've
been watching this for the last eight years. I know
what you're about. Everybody talks about how you are as
a person, like I get it, but you're not staying
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in this league for as long as you have just
for being a great leader. You've been dominant. We need
somebody like you. And so they made me feel valued.
They made me feel welcome and to be honest with
you guys, like today was the first time I felt
like like nervous because it was like, I'm forty one,
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I didn't do camp, no OTAs, what's my reaction time?
Like regardless if I'm working out right, like you play
football exactly exactly. And I really questioned myself, like the
night before, going inside my contract and then going to practice,
like I'm in there and I'm like, you know, he's
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they give it, like, you know, they give me the playbook,
all of that I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Through and I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
Every hour they went by today I felt more and
more confident. Like I get in there and it's just
like all my teammates are like, you know, you know,
just loving me up, bro, and I'm just like, damn,
like this is where I was supposed to be, you
know it? And it feels good. Once I got on
the field, Bro, it was just like riding the bike.
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So I'm I'm grateful for the moment. I've always been
in gratitude. I lead with just gratitude, man or not. Yeah,
it's special, bro, Joe.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
You had a question. Yeah, that's I wanted to say.
First all I'm gonna sayes Man, congrats on twenty years. Bro,
that's a long time, especially in the NFL. What what's
the biggest difference. What would you say the biggest difference
is from like year one to like year twenty now,
whether it be mindset, training, obviously. You know what would
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probably be the biggest difference.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
The biggest difference for me, BRO is, uh, the time
I had to form a routine is when I first
got into the league. Right like those first three years,
you're trying to figure out who you are, right Like
you you know you're athletic, you know that, Like you
can do some things, but you don't know if you
can consistently get it done at that level, right you
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playing against guys that got families that are not having it.
And when I got to Jacksonville, Dogs in Jacksonville, like
I was raised with the Wolves in Jacksonville, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
What I mean.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
So I feel like being in that environment may molded
me into who I am today. And I would say
after year three, I started to form this routine. How
like my in season workout recovery does not change for
my out of season workout and recovery. And mind you,
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I said out of season or not off season. I
don't take it off right like I it's maybe two
and a half weeks of just letting my body heal
and that means infrared and kotep. I'm still doing something
to keep the blood flow.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Right.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
Yeah, once it gets close to February, like right after
Super Bowl. I've been trying to mixed martial arts now
for fifteen years. So whether it's jiu jitsu, muy ti, wrestling, judo,
whatever it is, I would do that from February all
the way to May. I do not step on the
field until the end of May, going into July. Once
I hit the field in June, I get on the
grass straight ahead running and then we do like four
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hundred breakdowns on the track and then that's really about it.
I'll do like cone stuff, but not too many routes.
Even in my prime when I was catching a ball,
it wasn't a lot of routes and like putting that
pressure on my knees and then when I would get
to camp, I would be peeking at the perfect time,
and like, I really just feel like that regiment has
paid me back right now because I still have my legs.
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I went to Jacksonville where we would run first play
action pass right like ye, you know, Jimmy Smith was
getting out of there. Keenda McCardell had just got out
of there. It was like Freddie t, Maurice Drew. Obviously,
we had a Kyle Brady at tight end. I was
backing him up as a rookie and then I ended
up starting secondary guy exactly, And it was like we
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ran the ball, bro for at least four or five
years straight, and I was still getting my numbers. You know,
I went all pro my fifth year, Pro Bowl, all
of that, but not like I should have, right, and
I would always be like, damn man, like was I
supposed to get drafted here? Like I came out of
East La Mac your ward winner, all the records, doing.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
My thing, like I guess at Jacksonville, I'm like, Bro,
I'm blocking isold power I'm doing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Like I'm not really being used, like and they drafted
me in the first round.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
So I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's the best thing to happen for you. Marsides.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You didn't know it because had you brought up those
numbers early and now all of a sudden you're in
your ten year level, you're twelve, and they're not the
same as they were year three or four.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Not all of a sudden they gonna say you losing it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But because you didn't have eighty ninety catches in the beginning,
they were like, he's same yeap, and what we're asking
him to do hasn't changed for what he's been asked
to do the previous team, the previous twelve, the previous fifteen.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We looked it up, Marcedes.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
They've only been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen players to play at least twenty years or more.
Most of them wow as you could imagine, are kickersub.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
George Blanda play twenty six seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He was a quarterback, but his last couple of years
he was mainlank kicker Morten Anderson twenty five kicker Adam
Military twenty four, kicker Tom Brady twenty three, quarterback John
Carney twenty three kicker Gary Anderson, kicker Jeff Fiegels twenty one,
punter Earl Morrow played twenty one as a quarterback Jackets
later offensive lineman Daryl Green, quarnerback Vinnit Testa Verde quarterback,
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Brett Farr, quarterback, Jason Hanson kicker and now Marcedes Lewis
is on this list of guys that have played at
least twenty seasons of more. And you played a position now, Jackie,
I would say Jackie might have had because Jackiet had
to bang every play for twenty no doubt, for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You got to run. You got to run. You got
to run rats.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Twenty years. It's still crazy. Let me ask you this,
Are you mad, Mercedes? No, because I was gonna say,
that's an awful long time to ask somebody like, Hey,
I need you to make these sacrifices for twinty I
need you to pick up the kids. I need you
to be the pta, I need you to be the
recitals in the football game and all this and all
that other stuff. So you understand the sacrifices that you make.
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But when you have a partner, you're also asking them
to make set sacrifices.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, hey, Mercedes, what comber sports.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You do again?
Speaker 5 (29:39):
More time? Just a little bit of judo, some wrestling.
I don't really I think.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's you right, Oh Joe you oh you already.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You know, hold on, hold on, hold on man. You
know I got a black belt.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And all that, and you got a round bisiness the
whole you're paying up. Marseides. I think you ay, that's
what we want right here, Marceides, And oh.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Jo hey, were you not? I gotta I got I
got a black belt. I got a black belt in
jiu JITs.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah pretty quick, bro, what yeah, you're at it?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Hey, let me tell you something I say when I'm
When I'm done with James Harrison, I beat his ass.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean you, I'm you you welcome. We I mean
whatever you do, Joe. Somebody like say he's thick six
two sixty five to seventy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Hey, listen to me, Mercedes, I'm six four two thirty man?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
What you what you he do that? Oh Joe?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
He you not got a worry about his conditioning. He fight,
he craves like that, so you know his condemned is
through the room.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hold on, time out, time out? Man, Stop playing with
me on sweet Jesus man, I trained.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
It's just it's just different. It's just different, though, Joe.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
It's like if we were just straight boxing potentially, like
you may be at a land a couple of shots,
but I'll still fight behind my.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Jab and a week listen, hold I land. You see
you seem I am right now?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
How you gonna get Let me ask you a question, Ojo,
how you're gonna get up? You don't you never fought
from your back. You don't know how to get up.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Who you talking about man, I can fight off my
back foot front floor.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I said, your back, not your bag, your back, your back.
Oh I'm what I was?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I was the state champion grappler.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
What you talk about your ground game like no game
like that running?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, it would be.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
It would be dope to uh to roll with you
if you ever want to roll obviously, yeah, you know,
let me know.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Let me know what's wrong with my goddamn camera. I'm
gonna start me lining at your camera.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We got we got bar say talking about you know, hey,
if you want, if you want to bang a little bit?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
He hey, ht raady he got to get.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Your logging off now huh Now he spread a spread.
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I don't know, no spare me. The only thing only
SPA know about is a tire.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And so let me ask you a question. So where's home?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Mer Sherman Oaks?
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Now oh okay, okay, okay. So you stayed you stayed
in Cali? Yeah, I mean I'm in LA. I bought
my mama house in Lakewood, which was about thirty minutes
from Long Beach, where I grew up at. You spent
some time in like South Central uster relationship all that,
you know, you know how it go. And for me,
I bought a house in the Sino and then obviously
the fires happened and got close to the crib. Thank you,
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I was able to sell sell my house last year,
and then now it's more so just renting to be
more cash free because I'm not sure what I was
gonna do. Was I gonna play a twentieth year or
potentially go to the front office or whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
And so now I got to hold that off for
another two months or three months and figure that out.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But that's what sold you.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You're looking at potentially thinking the valley is got probably
gonna be where you sit drop anchor at so, but
it's gonna be California. You not necessarily the Valle because
we don't want to give about your information. Well you know,
probably California. You're a Cali kid at heart, so that's
probably where you set up shop.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, like California is uh you know.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
I feel like like me and my mom are like
best friends too. I don't know if I could just
you know, bounce on it like that and then yeah,
and so like I would probably rather stay there, but
I'm i love to travel too. So even if even
if I like got something again in California, it would
probably be like just a dope penthouse or something something
I don't have to worry about maintenes. I want the
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panoramic and I could just pull up, plug and play.
And then I traveled because having the house and all
that mortgage bro, I'm over it. I'm over paying mortgages
and interest rates.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And I'm just over it. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
So I just you know, the older you get, like
for me, I've been more of a menialist or minimalist
the older I've gotten. And so I realized that I
don't need a whole bunch to find joy, Like I'm
happy inside, you know, so all the other things.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
That like that minds you.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Playing in Jacksonville is not It wasn't the real NFL experience, right, Like,
it's not there's nothing in Jacksonville, right, No, come on,
I mean when I got to Jacksonville, they're robbing players.
It was barely Yes, dude was getting stuck up at
gas station. No, swear to god, dude's getting stuck up
at gas stations.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
It was just not I was like, you what am I?
Speaker 10 (34:31):
What am I doing out here, Like I was born
in Loan Beach. I saw all that in Loan Beach,
which is LA. That changed, right, I'm in Brentwood.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, you and Westwood, you and you and you between
Brentwood and Beverly, get to Jacksonville.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
I'm like, okay, we're going backwards now as far as
like I'm living right and so yeah, man, at this point,
I'm just like the least that I have to worry about,
least overhead that I have to worry about. Can I
just pack it back and go travel and go see
the world because playing ball, I've been playing pop Warners
since I was seven, have not stopped. I'm forty one
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when I retired.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
After this show. I just want to see the world, man,
like in a real way, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, well you know, at your size, you know,
everybody gonna think you did something. So you go to
bar Country, they're gonna be poor. They like you did something.
You ain't just big for no reason walking around nah.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
And I mean I'm low key too, like I've already
checked into it, like certain places, especially in South America,
Like I've been in Costa Rica for my birthday. But
like I'm getting the NFL to give me some security
or something like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Y yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
I'm not walking around, you know, deally dallying and not
expecting nothing to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So right, you definitely got to be on You gotta
a You gotta be on your best behavior watching six
at all times.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And the best day to do is a nfl A
hook it up for.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Your boys on man, set me up please, right hey.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
When you're at the Broncos, what number are you wearing?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I'm wearing eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Okay, you got cars. I thought you gonna get eighty four.
I said, man, make eighty four look good?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
What last time?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Mannah? You uh best to ever do it? Bro?
Speaker 10 (36:08):
And ain't no way, ain't no way. And I wouldn't even,
I just wouldn't. Just I was just the respect. And
and it was crazy because you came up like I'm
in there and they're like, what number do you want?
I'm like eighty nine, and they're looking at the thing
and I was like, yeah, there's no eighty nine. And
then I looked at Champagne and Champagne and was like, yeah,
the best tight in there play here is eighty four.
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I said, yeah, he's one of the best ever playing
in this league too.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You know what I mean. So like and that's that's
all positions, so that's not even a question.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like, I appreciate that. Hey, man, enjoy it, man, Hey,
Broncos look good.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They got a nice defense defense in the sensational Boat
Diss played really well Courtland Sutton of mems. Hey, they
got guys that can go make play, that can run
the football with Harvey and Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Hey, keep it going, man, and who knows might see
your say.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Hey, let's do up.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Man.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me brother. This
is the first time you know, me and Sharp actually
had a conversation, so I was geek for that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Oh show. We always be seeing each other out and
at each other. Joan was a pleasure, man. Respect your.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Whatever, blue tie, jitsu, whatever you want to do, whatever
you call it me say that you call it okay
and we'll get oo there.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
We have pick him up and bring you.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Back, Michelle. Man, appreciate your love. Man.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Jess Woody Johnson made headlines last week for some hardest
comments he gave them by Justin Fields. Johnson is hard
when you have a quarterback with a rating.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
That we got. If we could just complete a pass,
it would look good.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
According to former two quarterback Jordan Travis, these are the
only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the
team's quarterbacks despite dealing with his leg injury. Travis remembers
Johnson asking him, are you ever gonna get healthy?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Travis?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
There were things that were said to me, not obviulusly
to that point, because I never got in the field
to play about my leg, just slick comments. I don't
know if he was trying to be slick about it
or you know how some older men just say whatever
comes to their mind. And that kind of made me
feel a certain type of way, now how you feeling?
Never that there was always comments like that, it's either
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upoint a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron glaf for
the Jets troubles. But Robert Salad seems to be the
coach defense really well for the forty nine ers. Aaron
Rodgers looked pretty good at Pittsburgh. Sam Donald two, Oh, Joe, Joe.
How much blame should we place on hornership led by
Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets failure?
Speaker 7 (38:51):
I mean, listen, are you similar to the quarterback Situay
through the Chiago Bears for the long long history of
affairs that that position as well. I mean management is
the blame as well for the long, long long failures
for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time,
the identity for the Jets has always been their defense.
That has always been the better part of the successful
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part of their their their team. Obviously not this year,
and obviously offense not this year. Is well, But I thought,
I really thought this was justin fields year.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I thought it would have been his year.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
He had nothing to worry about. He had nobody eyeing
over his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
It was his team, his team to win, and his
team and lose. Uh, they're one and seven, obviously beating
my Bengals, but it is what it is. But I
think at some point they will turn it around. I
think he can be the.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Future for the New York Jets. Is he gonna get
that opportunity to be?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
After Woody Johnson came out and said some of the
things he said publicly that most owners would say to
themselves or people up stairs, you don't yeah, yeah, you
never say anything like that publicly. But it seemed like
since Jerry Jones said, what do he needs to say?
Other owners are now having the owners and the wirewithal
the say you know what, forget it.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'm just gonna say how I'm feeling and let him know.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
And it has to it has to hurt to know
that your owner feels that way, and I still got
to go out there and.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Play for him.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Hey, look, I kind of I kind of I agree
kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other
guys who can play for their franchise man quarterbacks, and
they went off and you know, play for other organizations
and well, so therefore, yeah, you gotta start up top
with the organization and how things have been ran because
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for whatever reason, they hadn't been getting you know, great outcomes. Obviously,
Justin Fields played great this past week, but man, you
hope he can build confidence from that and try to
you know, continue to you know, play at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They got to prove the roster overall, O Joe. I mean, yeah,
but that's hard. You know, how much time.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Will they give Aaron Gillion the time to improve the
right I.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Think because a played there, I think he'll probably have
a little longer. I think he'll have a little longer
lee way than most. I don't want to. I don't
want to say what we would normally say, a longer
leads because I just try to be politically correct. I
think he'll have a a longer opportunity to stay than
probably most because of this history with the organization and
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how well he's played for the organization and what he
knows him personally. So yes, I do think he'll have
a But look, I don't care who you are. If
your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to
win in this league.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
It's hard, very but a young a Joe, situations matter.
The situations on where you play surrounding you is very
very important. Joe, I can't think of it in basketball terms,
but maybe Uncle Joe, you you could probably probably relate
to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New
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York Giants in basketball terms? And then all of aus
Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going
to where else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is
succeeding in Indianapolis. Who would that be in basketball terms?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Who would that be?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Because Daniel Jones balling killing it?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I'm trying to let me.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
See the only thing is that Brunton didn't he I mean,
he left the Mavericks and went to New York and
he balling in New York as the team.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
But that was yeah, he was back.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody who overshined Luca not now? Yeah, yeah,
he was backing up Luca. But he went off and
you know, obviously you know what he's doing in New
York right now.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
But uh who.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
Because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just
they they let him walk.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
On the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and he ended up
he went to Uh didn't he go to Minnesota for year?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
He was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota
when the Minnesota then went on down to and.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Uh in basketball, I don't know, man, uh.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, but he played.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
He was good in Chicago. Who was Jimmy Butler? Yeah,
Jimmy was good.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Jimmy been good everywhere, went on Chicago, Philly. He's always
been consistent. I mean what he does well.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
See. The thing is is that we thought, we thought,
if you go back and look at Brunson when Luca
was out, he showed you what he can do if
he had his own team. Yeah yeah, go back to look,
go back and look at when Luca missed that time,
and look at what Brunton was doing. So now he
got his own team, he's gonna be the primary ball handler.
He's gonna be the primary shot taker. I don't think
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anybody is surprised by this. Now, maybe maybe the guy
averaged twenty six twenty seven points a game and as
many thirty point games he's had, But I thought he
would be really now that I think he'd be an
All NBA selection. I wouldn't go that far, but I
thought he could make the All Star team. I thought
he could make an All Star team because the guy
that playing that well in spurts when he has the
ball in his hand and they say okay and.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Uh ki kid like okay, we need you to do
more of a role and not be so boom.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
We saw that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
But look, yeah, James Harden, we saw what he was.
Remember you, six Man of the Year. I'm sure people
thought he could be good, but not averaging thirty six
point a night, good, not changing the game, good with
that step back?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
No no, uh who else was like that? Now with
Shade just didn't get a chance to play.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
If Shane got a chance to play, and plus look
he was he was not gonna do that with the
Not with Kawhi you had just gave. You had just
think about what you got with Kawhi. Kawhi was gonna
be the main ball handler. Shae's in a situation. Shade
knows he can get as many shots as he wants,
and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes. The Clippers they
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didn't want, they weren't gonna wait for No, they couldn't
because why you bringing Kawhi?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
And Kawi wants to win now?
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And he basically basically said, if you don't get me,
Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi,
Lebron and a D and then you playing in the
basement with that? No, they had to they had they
had to do it.
Speaker 7 (45:31):
O Joe, I mean, hold on, hold on, I have
a question, Joe, Joe, And if the Clippers knew what
they knew now about Shaving, how how he was traded him,
they would So how do you not see how do
you not see it?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Because because he wasn't a rookie O Joe and no
rookie because you got to realize he wasn't the first
pick in the draft. He wasn't a d he wasn't
Zion that you're running your offense through. So now he's
a SITI situation. He's the offense. So you they're away listen.
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Just like James Harden. Now, people thought James could be
good because he was a great ISO player when they
when KD and Russ went to the bitch, James Harden
was sensational. But sensational is averaging sixteen points a game.
He averaged thirty six. He had games where he went
like thirty forty games. He's average getting thirty a night,
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sixty point triple doubles, fifty point triple doubles. But he
knows it's a lot easier to play, O Joe, if
you the number one and you know you're gonna get
twelve thirteen, fourteen targets a.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Game, right, Right, But I understand that, right.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization,
those that have been watching the game, scout GMS and
understanding you have an eye for talent. There's a certain
thing that we can see called the it factor. It's
called the eye test. Even if it's not his team,
you can tell when the player is gonna be special.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You can look at it.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
There their skill set, what they can and what they
can do.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
And when you look at Shay's game on both ends
of the court, that's somebody that you say this MF
is special, not letting him go.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I think that the Clippers knew he was special. I've
seen Doc River.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
He said that was the hardest thing to put in
the trade, was to add Shay into that trade because
he knew that Shaye was gonna be pretty good. I
don't know if he thought he was gonna be in,
but he knew he was gonna be good. And then
on top of that, Ojo you never know, Like for Shae,
maybe that was great for his career because they probably
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put a little fire in him, you know what I
mean to be like, all right, they got rid of me,
I'm gonna show him, you know what I mean. And
now he's playing at at a level to where I
don't think nobody's seen this bro. He's he's a bucket.
He's thirty points every night, give a take. I don't care,
I don't care what what happened.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
He gonna have thirty and plus the biggest fridge and
available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me,
Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do
you really want Lebron James, Kawhi, Leonard and a D
in the building that you play in? Do you really
want that to happen?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Realistic?
Speaker 9 (48:17):
He was going home.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
He was going Kawhi was going back to l A.
I don't know you know what team yet, but he
was going back to l A for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
How how players, especially NBA players can control where they
want to go. They can pick and choose where they
want to go if they if they say I want to,
I want to I want to.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Trade, I don't want to be here more. The team
had no choice. But the movie.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
Superstars the way you have to because if a guy
only has one one year left on his deal Ojo,
and he's telling you you know, he ain't signing back
in so many words, then you gotta you gotta trade
him to get something back.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
What dude, OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door
and didn't get nothing.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
For him.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I imagine if you could have traded in before see
he walked out the door and you didn't get anything nothing.
Kd at his prime walks out of your door and
you don't get anything for him.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
The same thing.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Had the the Clippers could have tried to just got
the Clippers the horn the hornet, not the Hornets. The
Pelicans could have tried to play hardball. But at contract
was coming up. Do you really want Anthony Davis to
walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And you the Pelican? Ain't nobody coming to the New Orleans.
I'm sorry. It's a great city.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but
you're not getting superstars to come down of New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
You're just not.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
So you have to.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
You don't have a choice, right, So so what what
do I? What do I do? O? Joe?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that
Shay was gonna be good, But I don't know if
Doc thought he'd be this good. The reason why they
kept Tom Brad they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach
Belichick said, well, a little work, he thought he could
be good. You thought he's gonna be seven seven Super Bowls, good,
fifteen pro bows. You thought he was gonna be the
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all time leader and passes touchdowns, wins, super Bowl wins,
super Bowl MVPs. You thought he's gonna be that good
because if you did, you took him in the first round,
you wouldn't took him in the sixth round. And you
guess what, you have started him from day one, so
you didn't know, you thought he could be good. Everybody like, oh, yeah,
we knew she had bro I was saying my draft
pick me making the team was a feat in and
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of itself, let alone playing able to play fourteen years
and having the accomplishment. Everybody gets to say that after
the fact. Oh joe ya, I knew that boy was
gonna make it. Oh I knew, Oh I garvessed high school.
I thought I told something such that boy gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's a lot.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
It's a lot that has the transpiring he does. Loan
a loan that journey man, you know what I mean?
The things that mold us uh and to becoming pro
professional athletes, The things that we go through. Man, it's
it's ultimately it determines pretty much your longevity in the
game or how you you know, approach the game. So
when you look at Shaye, it's just like when I
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look at Shaye, I'm like, damn. Can you imagine him
in LA and that new arena they got over there and.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
That's and think about it, that was another reason they're
getting better to build a new arena. What do you
need to go into a new arena? Joe, Superstars?
Speaker 5 (51:27):
Yes, the Stars.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
People were talking about Kawhi ain't better than SGA?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Maybe not now if you think, if you think SGA
in his first the second year was better than Kawhi,
y'all are damn food. Y'all watch y'all damn mind that
man was a two time Defensive Player of the Year
and a two time Finals MVP.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
The man is one of the seventy seventy five graded
players of all time.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
What do you mean, Okay, if you want to say
he's not better than Shae, now, I'm not finna fight you.
As a matter of fact, I gonna put my hand
behind the chair. I ain't you know what I'm saying, Joe,
I ain't gonna find him. But come on, now, y'all
make it seem like Kawi was a ball and he
was far from he's still not is the injury from Yes,
has injury robbed him of some of his best years, Yes,
(52:13):
But to say that he was Sga was better at
that time, it's just not true because I remember for
ja Jahachief shot stuck his foot up on the Kawhi
they had.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
They had Golden State down by like eighteen.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, was Kawhi was a really Kawhi was a great player.
There's a reason why he's a two time champion. He's
a two time Defensive Player of the Year. He could
play both ends of the court and he can play
it well. But injuries have robbed him of.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Some of his best years. And I tall is ki
like six seven six
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay,
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
You see what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Like the rock something?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm just comfortable, man, okay about Welcome to the show.
Ramp safety Cam, curl Cam. How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm doing good, and I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Appreciate you coming on the bye week. You guys are
coming off the bye week. So what did cam do
in this bye week?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
So what? So?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So take us through your bye week.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You had the whole week off, so you you got
out of town boom.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
No, I ain't even leave it. I ain't gonna lie.
I stayed here.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
I was tired, okay, because we did all that traveling
like Baltimore that whole week. Yeah, when we traveled to
London and play like within like that certain amount of time.
So I was really all right from all the travel
and we ain't get I ain't get home till like Monday,
two thirty in the morning, like I slipped all Monday Tuesday,
I went to facility a few days. You know what
(01:10):
I'm saying. But I just spent time with the family.
Really just trying to let my body rest.
Speaker 7 (01:15):
Okay, you ain't doing nothing outside of that though, like
to get away, just to get away from the game
of football.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I mean yeah, like you know, I take the kids
to the park and stuff like, you know what I'm saying,
Like just a little stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I ain't do nothing, crazy, crazy, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I Like, you guys are number one, the first, do
your first the red zone, defensive touchdowns allowed, thirty points
allowed eighth and takeaways. What do you think the biggest
reason you guys are having such success on the defensive
side of the football.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I mean, I feel like the system we got in
the scheme we got, it's built around our players, and
what we were able to do is like it's built
for our skill set.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And you know, we've been in this system.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Stur second, you're going on in the system, so we
all comfortable with each other, especially in the secondary, like
this is the first place, like the first time. I mean,
let's bring back a whole like secondary unit. You know
what I'm saying, You know, yeah, usually every year the
room changes, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
since we did that, that just helps us play the
faster because we more comfortable each other and you know,
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know how each other play.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Yeah, and now that you are in your second year
other's defense, how comfortable are you?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You know?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
I mean I'm real comfortable, Like I'm real comfortable how
sulocus game. And I'm real comfortable with with all my teammates,
you know what I'm saying. And I just like flying
around those guys like we have to make him plays,
you know what I'm saying. You know, trying to keep
doing that.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Hey, does your coach your defensive courd there do? Does
he allow you the freedom to do things off script
that really really isn't part of X and those But
because you're the one out there on the field and
playing the game and you have a feel for stuff,
can you go off script and do stuff based on
what you've seen on film?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I mean, you know, as long as you make the place,
you know what I'm saying, it ain't gonna be too mad.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But now they do emphasize on us not being robots.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Though you know what I'm saying, they don't want to
team the football instances away from us. You know what
I'm saying. So he listened. He let's just play how
we play. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna always
go within the scheme, you know, in the play call.
But you know, he lets us go out there and
fly around.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You're known for your physical style of play. How did
you get the How do you get the nickname? Cam Bam?
Speaker 8 (03:20):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I got that name? Like in high school it was
a I ain't gonna lie, you know. The females used
to call me that. You know what I'm saying. But yeah, no,
you know, you know I bring that boom on the
field too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
You know rhymes, you know, but like, yeah, it's just
it's just a little nickname.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Hey, let me let me. I got a question for you.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Since they call you cam Bam and you and you
know him for you know, coming down here coming to
the party, you think you think you you would have
been able to hit me if you were playing, Like
if I just happened to be in this area, you
think you would hit me?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah? Like, hey, hold on you laughing? You think like
you a little thing man up to twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What you talk about then?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
What what you're winning back? Then again, I was two thirty,
all right, all you got it. If you two thirty,
then you got it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I would have ran through you. But don't, man,
don't do that.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
With you.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
What was some of the factors what was so appealing
for you with signing with the Rams?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, honestly, like off the bat, just you know, Sean
y Vay, you know what I'm saying, just even before
I got here, just seeing him from Afar and you know,
hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff
like that's just off the bat, like a guy you
want to play football for. You know, It's just the
type of guy he is. And you know, I knew
it was a winning colture here. You know, they just
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won the Super Bowl not too long ago, you know
what I'm saying. You know, they always get into the playoffs,
you know, so it was just it felt like the
right fit.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
It's a bunch of young, hungry guys on the on
the defensive side with some stuff prove, and you know,
I feel like I fit right in.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You came in the league kind of like I came
in the league. I was self around draft pick. I
was one ninety two ye or self around draft pick.
And I never felt like I made it. I feel
like I had to go out there every single year
and reprove myself that, like I got to give him
one reason. And I always hit this mindset I gotta
get when I went to practice camp, I would I said,
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I got to give him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
One reason to keep me. Just one, man.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You see that rock shop ran man, you see that
catch that he made, You see how he picked up
that blitz, Just one I needed one reason for him
to say, yeah, we got to keep him another day.
What was your mindset coming in? You got a seventh
around draft pick, but from the commanders, what was your mindset?
Because you know, normally seventh round picks don't camp bodies.
They just they just, hey, they need somebody to fill
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out the roster. They didn't really tried, they didn't really
try to give it. No look, but you got to
see me because I'm gonna make you look no.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
In fact, na my mindset. I mean I knew getting
damped in the seventh round. Like I was just talking
to stuff like you know, I gotta take everything to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, just to
try to make this team, you know, coming in because
I was the only rookie dB they had picked up
the whole like draft process, you know, they ain't picking
their frames up and nothing. So I was the only
rooki dB in a room. So like it's like I'm
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going against vets. I'm competing against vets, you know what
I'm saying, people already being in. So I just know
how to take everything to the next level. And you know,
all my vets there back then at twenty twenty season,
like they really brought me in, you know what I'm saying,
and showed me the way, and I just sat back
washing them and learned and you know, started making plays.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, you look being in too different.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Look Washington, LA, How similar or how different are the
defensive systems that where you were in DC compared to
what you are in right now in LA.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I feel like it's a difference.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
I feel like in Washington it was more of like
you know, like a like a straightforward this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know what I'm saying, We're not really.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
We wasn't really doing no disguising Like you know, man, you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Just going out there. You ain't got no ski mask,
you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
You ain't got no You're just going like That's how
there real is though, Like you know, like against Jack,
you're gonna put your position. You gotta make the play,
you know, that's all that matters. And I feel like
this Rams defense, it's it's a it's a way more
complex defense, you know what I'm saying. We run tons
of different coverages, Like it's subages that I'm I'm learning
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about this year. I ain't even know it was coverage,
you know what I'm saying. So it's a real complex
defense and it fits us because we got real smart
players on our defense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
That can think on the fly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
We communicate very well, like this defense, communication is key
for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And it's funny when you talk about defenses being very
complex and you're able to do more with the defense
when you had the right players with the right skill
set and can communicate. It brings me back to that
two thousand Ravens, that two thousand, two thousand Steelers defense.
But KC they used to run defenses that weren't even
on film. They weren't on film, and people were always
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out of position, but they were so good with a
great understanding of being able to communicate, and when the
ball snaps, they'll fly back through exactly where they're supposed
to be at.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But it was so confusing for me as an offensive player.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
So the fact that you guys are able to do that,
to run complex stuff that you really don't see on film.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You really don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
What's coming, and keep an offense thinking all the time,
especially at the snap and after the snap of the ball,
you're always having an advantage, always have an advantage defensively for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, Cam, I'm looking at you. Guys are schedules.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, Bucks, Panthers, Cars, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals. Damn,
y'all got a lot of birds up in there, the Seahawks,
the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals. Y'all were
trying to put so many birds out their misery.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that for something, man, that's
the many.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Speaking of man, what has it been like man to
watch Pook and the cool Man and Davonte Adams Man
Davante Still, I know, you know, we we talked about
some of the best receivers in the game. You know,
they mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know, JS
and some of those those those younger guys. But to me,
Davonte Adams is still the best rock runner in the league.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Like playing with him.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But it's crazy, man, just starting off like at practice,
just watching them every day at practice and being able
to go against those type of guys every day.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It makes us a.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Lot better as a defense because every every team you're
not seeing that every day, you know, every day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
So that's that's just making us better.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And then the ad Matthew Stafford in the mix with
those two, like it's crazy, but like it's just it's
amazing to see in practice.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And it's hard to like why follow the quarterback eyes
and Matthew Stafford looking over here and he throwing the
ball over there, over there, throw the ball over here.
You're like, coach, why you go there? Because he was
looking over that the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Yes, he doing that to some practice too. It's not
just do.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It too hey when we saw it on the tape
because in the game. You didn't know it because I
was at the Super Bowl when he threw when he
did that in the Super Bowl when he threw, Hey,
he was looking like this here and he threw the
ball and Cooper Cup ended up catching it. It was
right by because the linebacker was dead right. If he
looks at.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Him, the linebacker's gonna pick it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
But because he was looking over here and he threw it,
he's like, oh, he ain't in the thought like, oh
my goodnessness.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Like that going right off his head hole.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That was nice.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's crazy. We see that every day.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Man, it's crazy to what you know, Coach Yard still
a receiver coach?
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my coach at Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Really yeah. Yard is a cool dude.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Man, my guy. Man, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best of luck,
continued success, stay healthy, and hey, you guys got a
nice little schedule coming up. But hey, you done got
your buy week, you get your second win. Nice time
to hey, time to go finish the task.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Sir, already. I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Man, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of the evening to all right,
we got our special guests joining us. He just sided
with the Broncos, playing in his twentieth season. Played a
grand total of two hundred and eighty five career games
from playing University of California at Los Angeles aka u
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C l A herreets ladies, gentlemen, mar Sades Lewis, what's up, brother.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'm good man. How you doing, bro?
Speaker 10 (11:41):
I'm doing well, man. Just everything happened so fast. It
was like, obviously, I played nineteen last year, I didn't
get picked up for camp, didn't do OTAs. This is
the first time I hadn't been in camp, So it
was it was a mental It was messing with me
mint for a second because it's something that I've been
(12:01):
used to and I'm one of those that I love camp.
I love building that grizzle and getting ready for the season.
So when I didn't get picked up, it was like, Okay,
you know, how do I want to go about this?
And so I just was kind of more introspective about
it and just kind of was in a state of allowing,
meaning like not resisting nor forcing what was meant for me.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I come back from.
Speaker 10 (12:23):
Joshua Tree, I go to a place where I recover
at getting a sauna. I get a call from a
Tiver number and obviously I didn't answer it because I
didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I'm thinking of spam. I'm like, man, what is this?
Speaker 10 (12:35):
So the number calls back probably like three minutes later,
and I'm like, I still look at my phone, didn't
answer it. And then the GM left a message like, YO,
big dog, give me a call. This George Payton GM
at the Broncos want to talk to you for a second.
So I called him back and literally right there, and
(12:56):
this was Monday, he was like, yo, can you fly
out here tonight?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I was like, minus you.
Speaker 10 (13:00):
I've never been in this situation before, like I've always
been contracted, so it was just different, feeling this, you know,
feeling this right, and so I'm like, you know what, Yeah,
I can fly out there. So I hopped through the
flight like a room eight, got got to Denver like
rooum eleven thirty at night, sat on the tarmac for
like fifty minutes, then went to the hotel and then
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literally next day Tuesday, worked out, took my physical and
ship signed on the spot.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So it's it's definitely a different experience.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, you tell them, hell, yeah you fly, you buy
I fly? Come on now, yeah you buy I fly?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
No doubt?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Hey mer say these was it ever the thought of
your mind that you will be able to but one
make it into the league? Is one thing you want
to play, You want to have a healthy career. You
want to squeeze in as many years as you can, obviously,
But did you ever think you get to your twenty?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Man?
Speaker 10 (13:56):
I thought, you know, obviously coming out of East LA
that ten was gonna be a great career.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And you know, and it was a.
Speaker 10 (14:04):
Situation where I'm not sure you're familiar with John Embry.
He was my tight end coach at he was in
camp with me my rookie year in nineteen ninety. Okay, okay,
so you know Mbo. You know his uh, his energy
and just the type of person in is so obviously Mbo.
You know he coached Tolding, his dollars George Kettle for
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a little while, remember.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Daniel Graham.
Speaker 10 (14:28):
So as far as like that, his resume is dipped
in blood when it comes to like tight ends and
how he's able to get across to those guys, and
you know, and I remember I would say he got
to Ucla my sophomore year, then fired the tight end
coach we had he got to UCLA. In the first
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conversation we had, he was like, look, I didn't come
to Ucla to coach for Ucla.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
He said, I came to Ucla to coach.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
You gave me a whole rundown of Like, my family
knew where I was from. I'm from the east side
of Long Beach. My min had me at fifteen years old.
I've been through just a whole bunch. So he had
already done his homework and that kind of you know,
lit a fire under me. And so right after that
that formed a connection and just like that vibration that
we had, and literally he took me from He said, look,
(15:20):
this is where you are. Now you got the ability
to go through here. He was like, there's a lot
of people that can catch the ball, run and look pretty.
We know that your athlete, who.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
We get it.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
You want to play a long time in the league,
You're gonna have to learn how to get your nose dirty.
And it starts right here. And so he literally took
me from you know, just being able to catch a
pass and do nice things with it to like really
being a dog and with it to being a dog.
And so I learned how to compete under him. And
so by the time I got to the league. This
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is my rookie year. I get drafted in two thousand
and six, Freddie T fred Taylor took me under his wing. Yeah,
and fred Taylor he called me slim like at that
time I was. I was six six, like two sixty,
but I didn't have the mass right, so he just
always just caught me slim. So one the first day
of pads, we got the Oklahoma drill, right, so this
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is like my first Oklahoma drin in the NFL. We
get three d ns U Freddy T's running behind me
twice and then Maurice Drew Is running behind me. I
pancake the first two guys moved a third guy out
the way. Freddy T jumped in my back kind of
like wrestled me almost to the grass and was like, yo,
you keep blocking like that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You going me in the league for.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
A long time. So fast forward to when I signed
my contract. This morning, Freddy T text me and was like,
you remember that conversation we had.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
I was like, Bro, how could I ever forget that?
Speaker 10 (16:42):
That's something that I always have with me, and it's
something that's inspired me this whole entire time. So I'm
just grateful to you know, he didn't have to take
me into his wing. He played running back like it was.
It's just been it's been smooth, man. I just take
it one day at a time and you know, just
get my personal best or whatever it is I'm doing
in that day, and I live with the results.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You you you mentioned Mercedes, bro that's still a long
time to get your body to go through the riggers. Look,
we know that you know situational now, but still you
gotta come in there and ain't Jacksonville where you got
nice warm weather.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You played it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You in Chicago, bro side, you're having to go and
you were the Green Bay outside. So so we get it.
So what is the So once you got past year,
once you got past the year ten, as you mentioned,
say I get ten, then you get to fifteen, because
once you get to ten, you take it one year
at a time. Once you got to fifteen, you had
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to be like hold On Gonzales played seventeen, went and
played seventeen. The way I feel right now, seventeen is
in the bag. Whether ever a realistic chot. Once you
got past fifteen, that twenty would be into the place
in the equation.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
Bro, you you just hit it on the nose. And like,
this conversation is something that I have pretty often with
people because they asked me like, how did you like,
like what in your mind made you think that you
can just keep going and keep jumping up to continue
your career. Fifteen was literally that magic number. Once I
passed ten. I got to fifteen, and I was like, Okay,
(18:17):
I don't want to question it because I don't want
to jinx myself, but I still feel really good, right,
And so I get to fifteen, I'm in Green Bay
and literally Green Bay is like, well, we want to
sign you to a two year deal because I was
only doing one year deals, trying to just play it
by ear yep, and like at that time in Green Bay,
obviously we had Jimmy Graham, he had signed the contract,
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he was there for a couple of years, then he
ended up leaving, and then I ended up being like
the full time why. Like, so I was the why,
which means like to do it all tight end for
the listeners out there. And then we had obviously the
pass catching tight end at that time. Robert Tellyan, So,
I was doing all the dirty work outside Ze.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Power. I saw all that, like edge man I was sitting.
I was doing all that.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
And so they I didn't expect them to offer me
a two year deal. I thought it was gonna be
one year, one year. But when they offered me a
two year deal, I felt like it was my responsibility
to go out there and continue to give them what
they know that I that I'm about, and I signed
a deal, didn't look back, got through seventeen still still
felt really good. Ay Rian ends up leaving, Davonte ends
(19:30):
up leaving, cop retires. Dave Batiari les I'm like, okay,
it's only me here. I know it's about to be
my time to go too. So they hit me up
like hey, Sadi's like.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You know, we're kind of changing the regime, like you know,
you know the.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
So I'm like all right, like no doubt whatever, like
you know, I'll figure it out. And then not too
long after that, I would say, Dune Chicago hit me up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
And then we had had.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
Luke Getsi, who was the quarterback coach with Green Bay
and was familiar with you know, how to use me
as far as the play you know plays and what
I'm good at, and brought me to Chicago thinking that
was gonna be a one year deal. Played that out,
still played about forty three percent of the plays at
thirty nine years old, so I'm still rolling. Then the
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next year bring me back. So that's two years and
then here we are now. It was just like a
once I got eighteen, I was like, I have to
get twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I gotta get. I got it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I can't end, I got to get can't like this
is I literally it was like the capstone, Like twenty.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Is like when I wake up for that number.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Ain't a whole lot of players that's ever played twenty season.
You get, you get a Jacket Slater, and you get
a Tom Brady and you get a handful of guys.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
But maybe I don't think it's twenty guys.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Maybe maybe it's twenty guys, twenty five album people men
that ever played this game.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Darryl Green, Like, it ain't a whole lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So let me ask you, this is this it you
travel twenty one or you've done it twenty You stopping
on a nice, a nice round even number.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
Okay, so so this will be the first time I've
ever said this, because I haven't.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
But this is it.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
Like if I said that last year, Like if I
said that after nineteen, I wouldn't have felt like I
did in these months that I was not playing right
Like bro I would wake up sometime like the season started.
It was a few teams hit my Asian up, but
it was like just is he still working out? Does
he still want to play? Just a bunch of like fluff.
It wasn't nothing serious. So I told my agent, Buzz Cook.
(21:43):
I told him, I said, look, if it's not serious, like,
don't hit me up, because it's messing with my head.
Like some days, some days I wake up sharp and
be like, right, I feel good, and in some days
I wake up and I feel like I'm in a
nightmare because I'm waking up. I'm watching ball there and
I'm in my mind, I'm like, there's not sixty four
tight ends better than me in this league, and I
(22:03):
know I could be out there helping somebody with body. Yeah,
and like especially for what I do at this point
in my career, like I'm the best at this right,
like just point of contact setting, the edge, rock setting
and play pass like you know how it is, like
it's yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I take block up and
we're stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Whatever you want, whatever you want to do. Hey, if
y'all want to put let me be killing it. I
get on that island.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
And so hey, hey, and that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
And you know, today Sean Payton pulled me aside and
was like, I've been watching you for the last eight years,
Like even when I was in Green Bay, the Saints
kept trying to get me when he was with the Saints.
He's like, I just want you to know that I've
been watching this for the last eight years. I know
what you're about. Everybody talks about how you are as
a person, like I get it, but you're not staying
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in this league for as long as you have just
for being a great leader. You've been dominant. We need
somebody like you. And so they made me feel valued.
They made me feel welcome and to be honest with
you guys, like today was the first time I felt
like like nervous because it was like, I'm forty one,
(23:20):
I didn't do camp, no OTAs, what's my reaction time?
Like regardless if I'm working out right, like you play
football exactly exactly. And I really questioned myself, like the
night before, going inside my contract and then going to practice,
like I'm in there and I'm like, you know, he's
(23:41):
they give it, like, you know, they give me the playbook,
all of that I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Through and I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
Every hour they went by today I felt more and
more confident. Like I get in there and it's just
like all my teammates are like, you know, you know,
just loving me up, bro, and I'm just like, damn,
like this is where I was supposed to be, you
know it? And it feels good. Once I got on
the field, Bro, it was just like riding the bike.
(24:06):
So I'm I'm grateful for the moment. I've always been
in gratitude. I lead with just gratitude, man or not. Yeah,
it's special, bro, Joe.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
You had a question. Yeah, that's I wanted to say.
First all I'm gonna sayes Man, congrats on twenty years. Bro,
that's a long time, especially in the NFL. What what's
the biggest difference. What would you say the biggest difference
is from like year one to like year twenty now,
whether it be mindset, training, obviously. You know what would
(24:41):
probably be the biggest difference.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
The biggest difference for me, BRO is, uh, the time
I had to form a routine is when I first
got into the league. Right like those first three years,
you're trying to figure out who you are, right Like
you you know you're athletic, you know that, Like you
can do some things, but you don't know if you
can consistently get it done at that level, right you
(25:04):
playing against guys that got families that are not having it.
And when I got to Jacksonville, Dogs in Jacksonville, like
I was raised with the Wolves in Jacksonville, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
What I mean.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
So I feel like being in that environment may molded
me into who I am today. And I would say
after year three, I started to form this routine. How
like my in season workout recovery does not change for
my out of season workout and recovery. And mind you,
(25:38):
I said out of season or not off season. I
don't take it off right like I it's maybe two
and a half weeks of just letting my body heal
and that means infrared and kotep. I'm still doing something
to keep the blood flow.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Right.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
Yeah, once it gets close to February, like right after
Super Bowl. I've been trying to mixed martial arts now
for fifteen years. So whether it's jiu jitsu, muy ti, wrestling, judo,
whatever it is, I would do that from February all
the way to May. I do not step on the
field until the end of May, going into July. Once
I hit the field in June, I get on the
grass straight ahead running and then we do like four
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hundred breakdowns on the track and then that's really about it.
I'll do like cone stuff, but not too many routes.
Even in my prime when I was catching a ball,
it wasn't a lot of routes and like putting that
pressure on my knees and then when I would get
to camp, I would be peeking at the perfect time,
and like, I really just feel like that regiment has
paid me back right now because I still have my legs.
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I went to Jacksonville where we would run first play
action pass right like ye, you know, Jimmy Smith was
getting out of there. Keenda McCardell had just got out
of there. It was like Freddie t, Maurice Drew. Obviously,
we had a Kyle Brady at tight end. I was
backing him up as a rookie and then I ended
up starting secondary guy exactly, And it was like we
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ran the ball, bro for at least four or five
years straight, and I was still getting my numbers. You know,
I went all pro my fifth year, Pro Bowl, all
of that, but not like I should have, right, and
I would always be like, damn man, like was I
supposed to get drafted here? Like I came out of
East La Mac your ward winner, all the records, doing.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
My thing, like I guess at Jacksonville, I'm like, Bro,
I'm blocking isold power I'm doing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Like I'm not really being used, like and they drafted
me in the first round.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
So I didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's the best thing to happen for you. Marsides.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You didn't know it because had you brought up those
numbers early and now all of a sudden you're in
your ten year level, you're twelve, and they're not the
same as they were year three or four.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Not all of a sudden they gonna say you losing it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But because you didn't have eighty ninety catches in the beginning,
they were like, he's same yeap, and what we're asking
him to do hasn't changed for what he's been asked
to do the previous team, the previous twelve, the previous fifteen.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We looked it up, Marcedes.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
They've only been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen players to play at least twenty years or more.
Most of them wow as you could imagine, are kickersub.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
George Blanda play twenty six seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He was a quarterback, but his last couple of years
he was mainlank kicker Morten Anderson twenty five kicker Adam
Military twenty four, kicker Tom Brady twenty three, quarterback John
Carney twenty three kicker Gary Anderson, kicker Jeff Fiegels twenty one,
punter Earl Morrow played twenty one as a quarterback Jackets
later offensive lineman Daryl Green, quarnerback Vinnit Testa Verde quarterback,
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Brett Farr, quarterback, Jason Hanson kicker and now Marcedes Lewis
is on this list of guys that have played at
least twenty seasons of more. And you played a position now, Jackie,
I would say Jackie might have had because Jackiet had
to bang every play for twenty no doubt, for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You got to run. You got to run. You got
to run rats.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Twenty years. It's still crazy. Let me ask you this,
Are you mad, Mercedes? No, because I was gonna say,
that's an awful long time to ask somebody like, Hey,
I need you to make these sacrifices for twinty I
need you to pick up the kids. I need you
to be the pta, I need you to be the
recitals in the football game and all this and all
that other stuff. So you understand the sacrifices that you make.
(29:28):
But when you have a partner, you're also asking them
to make set sacrifices.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, hey, Mercedes, what comber sports.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You do again?
Speaker 5 (29:39):
More time? Just a little bit of judo, some wrestling.
I don't really I think.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's you right, Oh Joe you oh you already.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You know, hold on, hold on, hold on man. You
know I got a black belt.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And all that, and you got a round bisiness the
whole you're paying up. Marseides. I think you ay, that's
what we want right here, Marceides, And oh.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Jo hey, were you not? I gotta I got I
got a black belt. I got a black belt in
jiu JITs.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah pretty quick, bro, what yeah, you're at it?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Hey, let me tell you something I say when I'm
When I'm done with James Harrison, I beat his ass.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean you, I'm you you welcome. We I mean
whatever you do, Joe. Somebody like say he's thick six
two sixty five to seventy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Hey, listen to me, Mercedes, I'm six four two thirty man?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
What you what you he do that? Oh Joe?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
He you not got a worry about his conditioning. He fight,
he craves like that, so you know his condemned is
through the room.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hold on, time out, time out? Man, Stop playing with
me on sweet Jesus man, I trained.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
It's just it's just different. It's just different, though, Joe.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
It's like if we were just straight boxing potentially, like
you may be at a land a couple of shots,
but I'll still fight behind my.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Jab and a week listen, hold I land. You see
you seem I am right now?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
How you gonna get Let me ask you a question, Ojo,
how you're gonna get up? You don't you never fought
from your back. You don't know how to get up.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Who you talking about man, I can fight off my
back foot front floor.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I said, your back, not your bag, your back, your back.
Oh I'm what I was?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I was the state champion grappler.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
What you talk about your ground game like no game
like that running?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, it would be.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
It would be dope to uh to roll with you
if you ever want to roll obviously, yeah, you know,
let me know.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Let me know what's wrong with my goddamn camera. I'm
gonna start me lining at your camera.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We got we got bar say talking about you know, hey,
if you want, if you want to bang a little bit?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
He hey, ht raady he got to get.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Your logging off now huh Now he spread a spread.
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I don't know, no spare me. The only thing only
SPA know about is a tire.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And so let me ask you a question. So where's home?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Mer Sherman Oaks?
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Now oh okay, okay, okay. So you stayed you stayed
in Cali? Yeah, I mean I'm in LA. I bought
my mama house in Lakewood, which was about thirty minutes
from Long Beach, where I grew up at. You spent
some time in like South Central uster relationship all that,
you know, you know how it go. And for me,
I bought a house in the Sino and then obviously
the fires happened and got close to the crib. Thank you,
(32:32):
I was able to sell sell my house last year,
and then now it's more so just renting to be
more cash free because I'm not sure what I was
gonna do. Was I gonna play a twentieth year or
potentially go to the front office or whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
And so now I got to hold that off for
another two months or three months and figure that out.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But that's what sold you.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You're looking at potentially thinking the valley is got probably
gonna be where you sit drop anchor at so, but
it's gonna be California. You not necessarily the Valle because
we don't want to give about your information. Well you know,
probably California. You're a Cali kid at heart, so that's
probably where you set up shop.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, like California is uh you know.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
I feel like like me and my mom are like
best friends too. I don't know if I could just
you know, bounce on it like that and then yeah,
and so like I would probably rather stay there, but
I'm i love to travel too. So even if even
if I like got something again in California, it would
probably be like just a dope penthouse or something something
I don't have to worry about maintenes. I want the
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panoramic and I could just pull up, plug and play.
And then I traveled because having the house and all
that mortgage bro, I'm over it. I'm over paying mortgages
and interest rates.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
And I'm just over it. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:52):
So I just you know, the older you get, like
for me, I've been more of a menialist or minimalist
the older I've gotten. And so I realized that I
don't need a whole bunch to find joy, Like I'm
happy inside, you know, so all the other things.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
That like that minds you.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Playing in Jacksonville is not It wasn't the real NFL experience, right, Like,
it's not there's nothing in Jacksonville, right, No, come on,
I mean when I got to Jacksonville, they're robbing players.
It was barely Yes, dude was getting stuck up at
gas station. No, swear to god, dude's getting stuck up
at gas stations.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
It was just not I was like, you what am I?
Speaker 10 (34:31):
What am I doing out here, Like I was born
in Loan Beach. I saw all that in Loan Beach,
which is LA. That changed, right, I'm in Brentwood.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, you and Westwood, you and you and you between
Brentwood and Beverly, get to Jacksonville.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
I'm like, okay, we're going backwards now as far as
like I'm living right and so yeah, man, at this point,
I'm just like the least that I have to worry about,
least overhead that I have to worry about. Can I
just pack it back and go travel and go see
the world because playing ball, I've been playing pop Warners
since I was seven, have not stopped. I'm forty one
(35:05):
when I retired.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
After this show. I just want to see the world, man,
like in a real way, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, well you know, at your size, you know,
everybody gonna think you did something. So you go to
bar Country, they're gonna be poor. They like you did something.
You ain't just big for no reason walking around nah.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
And I mean I'm low key too, like I've already
checked into it, like certain places, especially in South America,
Like I've been in Costa Rica for my birthday. But
like I'm getting the NFL to give me some security
or something like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Y yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
I'm not walking around, you know, deally dallying and not
expecting nothing to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So right, you definitely got to be on You gotta
a You gotta be on your best behavior watching six
at all times.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And the best day to do is a nfl A
hook it up for.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Your boys on man, set me up please, right hey.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
When you're at the Broncos, what number are you wearing?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I'm wearing eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Okay, you got cars. I thought you gonna get eighty four.
I said, man, make eighty four look good?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
What last time?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Mannah? You uh best to ever do it? Bro?
Speaker 10 (36:08):
And ain't no way, ain't no way. And I wouldn't even,
I just wouldn't. Just I was just the respect. And
and it was crazy because you came up like I'm
in there and they're like, what number do you want?
I'm like eighty nine, and they're looking at the thing
and I was like, yeah, there's no eighty nine. And
then I looked at Champagne and Champagne and was like, yeah,
the best tight in there play here is eighty four.
(36:28):
I said, yeah, he's one of the best ever playing
in this league too.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You know what I mean. So like and that's that's
all positions, so that's not even a question.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like, I appreciate that. Hey, man, enjoy it, man, Hey,
Broncos look good.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They got a nice defense defense in the sensational Boat
Diss played really well Courtland Sutton of mems. Hey, they
got guys that can go make play, that can run
the football with Harvey and Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Hey, keep it going, man, and who knows might see
your say.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Hey, let's do up.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Man.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me brother. This
is the first time you know, me and Sharp actually
had a conversation, so I was geek for that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Oh show. We always be seeing each other out and
at each other. Joan was a pleasure, man. Respect your.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Whatever, blue tie, jitsu, whatever you want to do, whatever
you call it me say that you call it okay
and we'll get oo there.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
We have pick him up and bring you.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Back, Michelle. Man, appreciate your love. Man.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Jess Woody Johnson made headlines last week for some hardest
comments he gave them by Justin Fields. Johnson is hard
when you have a quarterback with a rating.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
That we got. If we could just complete a pass,
it would look good.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
According to former two quarterback Jordan Travis, these are the
only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the
team's quarterbacks despite dealing with his leg injury. Travis remembers
Johnson asking him, are you ever gonna get healthy?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Travis?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
There were things that were said to me, not obviulusly
to that point, because I never got in the field
to play about my leg, just slick comments. I don't
know if he was trying to be slick about it
or you know how some older men just say whatever
comes to their mind. And that kind of made me
feel a certain type of way, now how you feeling?
Never that there was always comments like that, it's either
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upoint a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron glaf for
the Jets troubles. But Robert Salad seems to be the
coach defense really well for the forty nine ers. Aaron
Rodgers looked pretty good at Pittsburgh. Sam Donald two, Oh, Joe, Joe.
How much blame should we place on hornership led by
Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets failure?
Speaker 7 (38:51):
I mean, listen, are you similar to the quarterback Situay
through the Chiago Bears for the long long history of
affairs that that position as well. I mean management is
the blame as well for the long, long long failures
for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time,
the identity for the Jets has always been their defense.
That has always been the better part of the successful
(39:12):
part of their their their team. Obviously not this year,
and obviously offense not this year. Is well, But I thought,
I really thought this was justin fields year.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I thought it would have been his year.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
He had nothing to worry about. He had nobody eyeing
over his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
It was his team, his team to win, and his
team and lose. Uh, they're one and seven, obviously beating
my Bengals, but it is what it is. But I
think at some point they will turn it around. I
think he can be the.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Future for the New York Jets. Is he gonna get
that opportunity to be?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
After Woody Johnson came out and said some of the
things he said publicly that most owners would say to
themselves or people up stairs, you don't yeah, yeah, you
never say anything like that publicly. But it seemed like
since Jerry Jones said, what do he needs to say?
Other owners are now having the owners and the wirewithal
the say you know what, forget it.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'm just gonna say how I'm feeling and let him know.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
And it has to it has to hurt to know
that your owner feels that way, and I still got
to go out there and.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Play for him.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Hey, look, I kind of I kind of I agree
kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other
guys who can play for their franchise man quarterbacks, and
they went off and you know, play for other organizations
and well, so therefore, yeah, you gotta start up top
with the organization and how things have been ran because
(40:34):
for whatever reason, they hadn't been getting you know, great outcomes. Obviously,
Justin Fields played great this past week, but man, you
hope he can build confidence from that and try to
you know, continue to you know, play at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They got to prove the roster overall, O Joe. I mean, yeah,
but that's hard. You know, how much time.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Will they give Aaron Gillion the time to improve the
right I.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Think because a played there, I think he'll probably have
a little longer. I think he'll have a little longer
lee way than most. I don't want to. I don't
want to say what we would normally say, a longer
leads because I just try to be politically correct. I
think he'll have a a longer opportunity to stay than
probably most because of this history with the organization and
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how well he's played for the organization and what he
knows him personally. So yes, I do think he'll have
a But look, I don't care who you are. If
your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to
win in this league.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
It's hard, very but a young a Joe, situations matter.
The situations on where you play surrounding you is very
very important. Joe, I can't think of it in basketball terms,
but maybe Uncle Joe, you you could probably probably relate
to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New
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York Giants in basketball terms? And then all of aus
Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going
to where else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is
succeeding in Indianapolis. Who would that be in basketball terms?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Who would that be?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Because Daniel Jones balling killing it?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I'm trying to let me.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
See the only thing is that Brunton didn't he I mean,
he left the Mavericks and went to New York and
he balling in New York as the team.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
But that was yeah, he was back.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody who overshined Luca not now? Yeah, yeah,
he was backing up Luca. But he went off and
you know, obviously you know what he's doing in New
York right now.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
But uh who.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
Because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just
they they let him walk.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
On the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and he ended up
he went to Uh didn't he go to Minnesota for year?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
He was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota
when the Minnesota then went on down to and.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Uh in basketball, I don't know, man, uh.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, but he played.
Speaker 9 (43:14):
He was good in Chicago. Who was Jimmy Butler? Yeah,
Jimmy was good.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Jimmy been good everywhere, went on Chicago, Philly. He's always
been consistent. I mean what he does well.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
See. The thing is is that we thought, we thought,
if you go back and look at Brunson when Luca
was out, he showed you what he can do if
he had his own team. Yeah yeah, go back to look,
go back and look at when Luca missed that time,
and look at what Brunton was doing. So now he
got his own team, he's gonna be the primary ball handler.
He's gonna be the primary shot taker. I don't think
(43:51):
anybody is surprised by this. Now, maybe maybe the guy
averaged twenty six twenty seven points a game and as
many thirty point games he's had, But I thought he
would be really now that I think he'd be an
All NBA selection. I wouldn't go that far, but I
thought he could make the All Star team. I thought
he could make an All Star team because the guy
that playing that well in spurts when he has the
ball in his hand and they say okay and.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Uh ki kid like okay, we need you to do
more of a role and not be so boom.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
We saw that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
But look, yeah, James Harden, we saw what he was.
Remember you, six Man of the Year. I'm sure people
thought he could be good, but not averaging thirty six
point a night, good, not changing the game, good with
that step back?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
No no, uh who else was like that? Now with
Shade just didn't get a chance to play.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
If Shane got a chance to play, and plus look
he was he was not gonna do that with the
Not with Kawhi you had just gave. You had just
think about what you got with Kawhi. Kawhi was gonna
be the main ball handler. Shae's in a situation. Shade
knows he can get as many shots as he wants,
and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes. The Clippers they
(45:11):
didn't want, they weren't gonna wait for No, they couldn't
because why you bringing Kawhi?
Speaker 1 (45:16):
And Kawi wants to win now?
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And he basically basically said, if you don't get me,
Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi,
Lebron and a D and then you playing in the
basement with that? No, they had to they had they
had to do it.
Speaker 7 (45:31):
O Joe, I mean, hold on, hold on, I have
a question, Joe, Joe, And if the Clippers knew what
they knew now about Shaving, how how he was traded him,
they would So how do you not see how do
you not see it?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Because because he wasn't a rookie O Joe and no
rookie because you got to realize he wasn't the first
pick in the draft. He wasn't a d he wasn't
Zion that you're running your offense through. So now he's
a SITI situation. He's the offense. So you they're away listen.
(46:05):
Just like James Harden. Now, people thought James could be
good because he was a great ISO player when they
when KD and Russ went to the bitch, James Harden
was sensational. But sensational is averaging sixteen points a game.
He averaged thirty six. He had games where he went
like thirty forty games. He's average getting thirty a night,
(46:26):
sixty point triple doubles, fifty point triple doubles. But he
knows it's a lot easier to play, O Joe, if
you the number one and you know you're gonna get
twelve thirteen, fourteen targets a.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Game, right, Right, But I understand that, right.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization,
those that have been watching the game, scout GMS and
understanding you have an eye for talent. There's a certain
thing that we can see called the it factor. It's
called the eye test. Even if it's not his team,
you can tell when the player is gonna be special.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You can look at it.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
There their skill set, what they can and what they
can do.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
And when you look at Shay's game on both ends
of the court, that's somebody that you say this MF
is special, not letting him go.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I think that the Clippers knew he was special. I've
seen Doc River.
Speaker 8 (47:14):
He said that was the hardest thing to put in
the trade, was to add Shay into that trade because
he knew that Shaye was gonna be pretty good. I
don't know if he thought he was gonna be in,
but he knew he was gonna be good. And then
on top of that, Ojo you never know, Like for Shae,
maybe that was great for his career because they probably
(47:35):
put a little fire in him, you know what I
mean to be like, all right, they got rid of me,
I'm gonna show him, you know what I mean. And
now he's playing at at a level to where I
don't think nobody's seen this bro. He's he's a bucket.
He's thirty points every night, give a take. I don't care,
I don't care what what happened.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
He gonna have thirty and plus the biggest fridge and
available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me,
Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do
you really want Lebron James, Kawhi, Leonard and a D
in the building that you play in? Do you really
want that to happen?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Realistic?
Speaker 9 (48:17):
He was going home.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
He was going Kawhi was going back to l A.
I don't know you know what team yet, but he
was going back to l A for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
How how players, especially NBA players can control where they
want to go. They can pick and choose where they
want to go if they if they say I want to,
I want to I want to.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Trade, I don't want to be here more. The team
had no choice. But the movie.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
Superstars the way you have to because if a guy
only has one one year left on his deal Ojo,
and he's telling you you know, he ain't signing back
in so many words, then you gotta you gotta trade
him to get something back.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
What dude, OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door
and didn't get nothing.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
For him.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I imagine if you could have traded in before see
he walked out the door and you didn't get anything nothing.
Kd at his prime walks out of your door and
you don't get anything for him.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
The same thing.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Had the the Clippers could have tried to just got
the Clippers the horn the hornet, not the Hornets. The
Pelicans could have tried to play hardball. But at contract
was coming up. Do you really want Anthony Davis to
walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And you the Pelican? Ain't nobody coming to the New Orleans.
I'm sorry. It's a great city.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but
you're not getting superstars to come down of New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
You're just not.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
So you have to.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
You don't have a choice, right, So so what what
do I? What do I do? O? Joe?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that
Shay was gonna be good, But I don't know if
Doc thought he'd be this good. The reason why they
kept Tom Brad they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach
Belichick said, well, a little work, he thought he could
be good. You thought he's gonna be seven seven Super Bowls, good,
fifteen pro bows. You thought he was gonna be the
(50:10):
all time leader and passes touchdowns, wins, super Bowl wins,
super Bowl MVPs. You thought he's gonna be that good
because if you did, you took him in the first round,
you wouldn't took him in the sixth round. And you
guess what, you have started him from day one, so
you didn't know, you thought he could be good. Everybody like, oh, yeah,
we knew she had bro I was saying my draft
pick me making the team was a feat in and
(50:33):
of itself, let alone playing able to play fourteen years
and having the accomplishment. Everybody gets to say that after
the fact. Oh joe ya, I knew that boy was
gonna make it. Oh I knew, Oh I garvessed high school.
I thought I told something such that boy gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's a lot.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
It's a lot that has the transpiring he does. Loan
a loan that journey man, you know what I mean?
The things that mold us uh and to becoming pro
professional athletes, The things that we go through. Man, it's
it's ultimately it determines pretty much your longevity in the
game or how you you know, approach the game. So
when you look at Shaye, it's just like when I
(51:14):
look at Shaye, I'm like, damn. Can you imagine him
in LA and that new arena they got over there and.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
That's and think about it, that was another reason they're
getting better to build a new arena. What do you
need to go into a new arena? Joe, Superstars?
Speaker 5 (51:27):
Yes, the Stars.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
People were talking about Kawhi ain't better than SGA?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Maybe not now if you think, if you think SGA
in his first the second year was better than Kawhi,
y'all are damn food. Y'all watch y'all damn mind that
man was a two time Defensive Player of the Year
and a two time Finals MVP.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
The man is one of the seventy seventy five graded
players of all time.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
What do you mean, Okay, if you want to say
he's not better than Shae, now, I'm not finna fight you.
As a matter of fact, I gonna put my hand
behind the chair. I ain't you know what I'm saying, Joe,
I ain't gonna find him. But come on, now, y'all
make it seem like Kawi was a ball and he
was far from he's still not is the injury from Yes,
has injury robbed him of some of his best years, Yes,
(52:13):
But to say that he was Sga was better at
that time, it's just not true because I remember for
ja Jahachief shot stuck his foot up on the Kawhi
they had.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
They had Golden State down by like eighteen.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, was Kawhi was a really Kawhi was a great player.
There's a reason why he's a two time champion. He's
a two time Defensive Player of the Year. He could
play both ends of the court and he can play
it well. But injuries have robbed him of.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Some of his best years. And I tall is ki
like six seven six
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay,
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