October 31, 2025 • 56 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down a WILD week in the NFL! Unc and Ocho react to Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski avoiding questions about Shedeur Sanders, Jonathan Taylor praising Daniel Jones while taking subtle shots at Anthony Richardson, and why the Jets’ ownership—not Justin Fields—is the real problem in New York.
0:00 - Kevin Stefanski dodges Shedeur Sanders question15:45 - Carson Wentz season ending surgery32:29 - Jonathan Taylor praises Daniel Jones but lowkey shade towards Anthony Richardson?46:55 - Eagles interested in pursuing Myles Garrett trad
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The Browns, Vinch Joe Flacko after one and three stint
as a starter rookie Dylan Gabriel's one and three. Many
in Cleveland are wondering if your Door Sanders now deserve
its own shot.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Today, Kevin Stefanski was asked by Mary Kay Cabot whether
he's considering the possibility of playing your door. His response,
the focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay,
that's not my focus. Can we stop asking the questions?
Y'all know this man don't want to play your door.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You know, you know people we know that, and people
the people you know in the chat, not not in
the chat, but this is in general when we talk
about cleating the brown Oh, it's.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
It's damn.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
What's the word when they don't like someone and they
how they're doing the wrong? I forgot the word to use.
But listen, we already know who the play was. We
already know where the play was. They didn't want him.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It was Drew Berry.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No, and Andrew Berry, Andrew with Andrew Berry's pick. It
wasn't it wasn't the owner, it wasn't the fan ski.
So this is exactly what they want. This is exactly
what they want. It seems as if they were that
someone forced their hand to take this pick and they
don't want to give him opportunity to play the game.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
From the small sample size.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That we've seen from Dylan Gabriel, he has now had
these played four games that they're won, and three he
won't push.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The ball down the field. It's hard. I can't run
the ball, and all.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You do is that you shore, you fish from you
short fish, I catch the big fish. The big fish
don't swim close along the shore. They're out the deep.
And so to get points you got to push the
ball down the field at some point.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, but maybe he's maybe he's not.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He's not that comfortable doing just that yet, because we
saw him push that push the ball down the field,
and the god damn preseason, we saw him push the
ball down the field. I see him. I saw him
throw short balls. I thought I saw him throw eating
needed I saw him throw dig rocks. I didn't really
see him throwing throw anything deep. But I think there's
a certain level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively,
they're not called him plays for him to push the
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ball down the field because obviously maybe that's not what
he's good at. That's the only thing I think of.
But if it was good at doing it, you would
call the plays that call for him to do just that.
What we're asking of, you know, to for to win games.
He's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games.
And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understands that my job
is on the line because this is the guy I
(02:22):
stood up on the table for and who I wanted
to make you know, the start of our team.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
At some point, you're gonna lose the locker room too,
huh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And you're gonna lose the locker room and just take
the right person to say something A Denzel Ward, A
Miles Garrett. You know, you know your captains, you'd be
like theyten, we need to do something.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I mean to see.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Miles Gart frustrated like that, the way he was understanding
that offensively we're not getting it done, knowing that needs
to be made. I mean, but I think that's the
heel that Kevin s Fank is willing to die on
because this is my guy and he knows that.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I mean, the job ain't a jeopardy. He's not in
the hot.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Seat in the hot seat. So you know what thing
so hell no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Joe Flacco training camp completion percentage was fifty eight point
seven in his first In his fourth start, he was
at sixty nine percent. Then he went to fifty six percent,
fifty eight, and his last game as a starter, he
was forty seven percent.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He's somebody in the chat funny as here, but Abe
did throw it down the field, but the guy in accepted.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Look, man, look, I'm just tired of like, man, push
your door.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Man it.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
They don't seem as interested in.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Putting your door in as we're interested in seeing him.
And who knows what would happen if he got in there,
But I think we want to see what it would happen. Yeah, yeah,
And my thing is he're like, well he didn't play.
He wasn't even the number two. Bailey Zaffery was the
number two on Sunday, so he had to dealer with
a backendury. Well how you heard it? Well, he just
stand on the sideline so I could get back with
(03:59):
ty hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Hi, Hi, he have a back surgery. But he was
out there throwing the ball in pregame.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'm just I've just out there.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Look even though it ain't nothing wrong, ain't nothing wrong
with him, the same way the ain't nothing wrong with J. J.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
McCarthy. There's nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's just the game that they do play.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
If you understand the game and understand what they will
do and what they report, knowing they did's nothing wrong
with you to cover there, you know what, get us
on the outside to shut up. But listen, I played
the game. I understand that similar things that you will
do when you don't really want a person to actually
be in the game and to contribute. You don't want
to look wrong, you don't want to be wrong, and
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the decisions that you've made. Of course, you're not gonna
play him because you know he probably will go in
there and succeed.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Door Sanders works and operates.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Very well in a chaotic environment, and that's the environment
that has been created for him because of who he is,
and obviously also because it's that's that's they did.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They didn't want them, but he.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Will operate very well in the type environment, and they
don't want that to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
So what do we do.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
We say, he's hurt, his back is messed up.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You tell you tell the reporter chemist defense. He says, hey,
don't ask me the focus. The focus is what it
is right now is Dylan Gabriel and doing everything we
can to make sure he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Improves week to week.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But the ticket, because the next thing that's gonna happen,
it ain't gonna be the reporter saying something and asking questions.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It's going to be the own players in your locker room.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Uh is training camp completion percentage was fifty five percent
and it's four starts. He was at fifty eight percent,
fifty six percent, seventy two percent, sixty percent, So it
looks like he's right about where he was in training camp.
And because there, they don't have the best playmakers. They
don't have they don't have the Detroit skill position players,
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they don't have Green Bay skill position and players. They
don't have h sinceies, they don't have a CD and pick.
That's not what they have. So when you don't have
that level of talent on the outside and you have
a marginal quarterback, what do you think you're going to get?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Listen, you know what?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Then the owners and the onus at that point is
on the office of coordinator, who's.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Calling the plays.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Okay, well, listen, I understand to have a quarterback right
here in Dylan Gabriel. There's certain weaknesses that he does have.
I have n't Juku Tillman, Jerry Judy. I know what
they can do. I know what they can do. I
know what their strengths are. How can I put them
in the positions? Creativity? Creativity and it creative work, creatively
(06:50):
and yeah, creatively the road.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I'm talking to damn fast creatively to hide some of
the things in the flaws that Dylan Gabriel is good at.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So now, you can't make your taller, so you can't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You can't make him grow four inches, so you can't
do anything about that.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You can't have a stronger arm, You can't do anything
about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, your offensive line is not the best if there's
not anything you can do about that because you have
what you have.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really know where you I don't know how much better
it can get for the Browns based on what you
have currently.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, I listen, I don't know. I'm all, I'm all
a lot of suggestions. I mean, everyone else is suggested.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know, do this, do that? What everybody wanted, they got.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You got what you wanted, You got your quarterback, you
got Joe Flacco gone now having success, you know, in
the air throwing to the greatest, the greatest duo in
the NFL. Now, Dylan gave us your quarterback. But you're
still in the same You're still in the same place.
You're still in the same position.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You think you think your dual better than Dallas a duo,
Come again and ask me, ask that one more time.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Wait, wait, wait before you ask me, think about what
you're asking me to Ask me again, then ask you'll.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ask you do you believe that your duo is better
then dallas Is duo?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, not only do I believe that our due is
better than Dallas's duo, But it's it's it's it's where
where where we are, we are better, We are better
as a whole. And this is no disrespect to see
the n pick. But they right below us, and it's
close to yeah, right close to meet them. To stay
with me now, it's close. But because of Jamar Chase
(08:37):
it the south Okay, and t t.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Is very good. You know, George Picking can do what T.
Higgins does.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I think you're doing a little better.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I think so
they about they about equivalent. Now he can go up
and get it, you know, uh t t get running
and routes them. The fifty fifty balls turn eighty twenty
when it's them too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And the thing I like about Pick is Pick is angry.
He get his ball, hands on the ball. He's like,
you have to tackle me. I ain't going down, I
ain't running out of bounds. You gonna have to tackle me.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I love that, And I love I love the
focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I love that, I love I love that simple.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I just.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Uh she door has been liking I G posts today
that are calling for him to start for the Browns
after the bye week.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
We'll see whatever you got to do, whatever whatever you
got to do. And obviously going into the bye week,
this is the Browns bye week, right, Yes, they definitely
not definitely not name the starters on the bye week,
but we're gonna see what happens. We're gonna Getdynan Gabriel
another week, another week to get to get better, to
improve himself based on what he's done so far with
(09:53):
the four stars he's had.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I wonder who they got coming out to buy.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Uh, that's as you coming out of the bye oh man.
And my thing is, yo is that No, you don't
have to do anything. It's just like who they got
the Jets coming out of the Byre.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Ain't no telling.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think that's as good.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's as good as any time to let you do
a start.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, I think Dylan Gabriel will be the start
against the Jets. Ain't I'm telling je Jets might come
out there and and molly walk there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
They already beat all so they got confidence.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Don't do that. Let's not bring up the past. Let's
not bring the past.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let's look forward, because in the Bible it said, uh,
do not look that behind you therefore, so you can
see where you go with.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I don't know your eyes closed the way to beat
you all up.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You know, Look, there's only so much because I think
the thing is, I think for the most part, he's done.
He said all the right things, and I'm gonna support Dylan.
You know, Hey, you know we're in that room. I
think everybody when Joe is in the room, I think
your door, saying all the right things.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think he's been coached up.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think he's been groomed to play that position, to
say all the right things, because you are corporate when
you're in that position. But I think deep down he
believes he's better than Dylan Gable.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You know, he believed that every player.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That has competition at the pacific position believes they're better
than the person that's in front.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Of Yeah, you know, and unfortunately y'all won't, he said,
Unfortunately y'all won't give me an opportunity to show you
that I'm better.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, look, there's only one way. There's only one
way to prove it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Give him go, let him go out there and give
him four stars, and let's see. I think the thing is, Oh, Joe,
I think they're gonna let this thing with Dylan Gaber
will go a little longer for the simple fact you
don't want to play. You've already moved on from Joe Flacco.
Joe Flakol got four stars. Are we really trying to
give Dylan Gaber four stars? Okay, give your door four stars.
It don't work out. What you do, go back to
Dylan Gaber. It don't work out with Dylan Gabor or
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go back And I don't know if that's where you want.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
To be at Ojo. I don't. I don't think that's
where you want to be.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The fancy is in a tough position now, he is
in a tough position.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, basically that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But I think it's okay for them to have a
quarterback carousel and being able to make those changing. Those
changes were necessary because you need to find out what
you need to do for the foresee of your future.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
They're probably going to go back into They're probably gonna
go back in the draft and get a quarterback. But
I mean, looking at the quarterbacks. I'm looking around at
college right now, I don't see anybody. I don't see
anybody that blowing my socks. I'm like, oh, I got
to get them. I got to have him.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm glad you just said that because obviously everything at
the quarterback level. There's been some great quarterback play in
college football, but there's nothing that's gonna come to the
Cleveland Browns and be.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Like, oh shoot, we found the one.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's nobody Cleveland's more than a player away with you.
That's the problem. They're more than a player away, but.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
They're more than the player away.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But if they get the right quarterback, which is yes,
the problem for the past now thirty six years, then
you're a little closer to where you want to get to.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But you can't even pass. You can't even get past
step one. No, well, you had the quarterbacks. You had
the quarterback. You just need to get some pieces around
Baker and let him heal. Yeah, but you know the
damage was done, you you you know, I guess conversation.
You know, he felt like they wanted him to be
something that he wasn't. They wanted him to be more
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button up, more structured. And he's a guy that he
wants to dance.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He cool with the locker room, the guys like him,
and so that wasn't their cup of tea. Well, if
the guy's gonna win, damn your cup of tea. I'm
trying to win.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, as all that matters at the end of the day,
especially for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's based on wins, wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think,
you know, Cleveland goes quiet for a minute, there's no games,
there's nothing to report. I don't know how much they're gonna. Oh,
they get the whole week off for the by week.
They gone, what you mean gone they practicing?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They ain't practicing. You gotta get the week off.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Wait they change the rules or something.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, look up and see I think that's a rule.
You get the whole week off.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Man, I ain't never see.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Man what no, hell no, we got we got Thursday week. Man,
we got Friday. We normally we got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off.
We had a half day Thursday if everything went good,
you know, we got a half day Thursday. But it
was a whole Now we got a week in Baltimore.
But Mike Shanahan wasn't playing that. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I was like, damn, man, they man such a someth man.
Yeah we got the we getting the whole week of
I'm like, well, damn, we ain't got no week off.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They get the whole week off. Yeah that's crazy. So
they got to do any work they want to do
all by yourself. But obviously in the bye week you
want to get away from football.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you want.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To reseentmentally, you want to really get yourself away from
anything football related.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Go home, you know, get in your game.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I mean, just do whatever you need to detach from
the game of football in your bye week. That's that's
the point of it. And when you do come back,
if you ready to hit it, you ready.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
To All I know is I heal my a lot
of my own injury. You're not gonna keep me here
on the boy a week because I got something I'm nicked.
Oh you good, yep. They sells at the convenience store.
Your eyes don't have medicine and all of it got
you got that rabbit turred ice. I got to get
that QB dice. It's all all the same.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, it all at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like your quarterback cars and went and set that undergo
season ending shoulder surgery on his non throwing shoulder. Oh joe,
and we'll be placed on injured reserve. JJ McCarthy began
the season as the starter, but who has missed the
last six game with a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer.
JJ is not huh yeah exactly. He was undrafted, so
you know even less about it. JJ McCarthy is not
only played two of twenty four regular season games since
he was drafted with the number ten pick in the
(16:29):
twenty twenty fourth draft. Oh Joe, I got how bad
of the Vikings missing Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Listen?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
They missing Sam Donald very very much, so very much.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So Listen the way.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Sam Donald played last year, I still, for the life me,
can't understand why you let him walk out that door.
I just don't understand for the life of me, and
not knowing what you were getting with JJ McCarthy. I
understand he was a high round pick. I know what
he did in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But listen, there's no problem with him sitting behind and
learning from Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
With the way he played last year.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You don't let the quarterback, as hard as it is
to come by quarterbacks that you can find that can
maximize everything you want to do offensively.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He did everything well.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets,
he didn't elect the Sam Donald and god damned Carolina,
but for some reason, everything in Minnesota it looked good.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He looked very good, similar to.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
How Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn Annapolis Coats, like
a completely different person.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Oh yeah, a completely different person.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And the same person is still carried on right now
in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He's still yes.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And now you're struggling. Now you're having quarterback bulls.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
He didn't know what to do, and I think they're
not playing JJ McCarthy on purpose.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ain't it can't be nothing wrong with him, can't be.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean, he was out a long time with a
high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Normally the guys get guys were getting back in three
high end four week. This will be six weeks that
he's must I'm just saying, no, right, you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Know, goodwill. Ain't nothing wrong with the ankle. They ain't
nothing wrong with that ankle, you know that boy? Jj
A just to Jefferson, boy, he gonna cut up this week,
you hear me, Well, let let things don't go right,
Let things don't go the way they should be.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You know, they love they love calling.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Players divas and all this that are passionate and want
to win, and understand that in order for me to
have success, in order for us to have teams success,
we got to have the most important position, have a
good person, a good player with the ball, and we
don't have that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Hey, them great players that we all love.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
They start to act up now you let you laughing,
but they love they.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Hey, they love the I'm not sure where that where
that with that term diva came from.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I'm not sure you know, but you know when.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Certain when came from y'all misbehavior?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, Hey, we don't misbehave. We're just passionate about the
position that we do play. We yeah, we'd like to
show a little theater, you know, a little a little energy.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You know, we do it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
It's called divas. When they do it, it's called.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Huh called passion, it's called.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know if you word the definition
change depending on the let me, let me.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's been reported that went tore his laborer and dislocated
his shoulder in week five and it's still played.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Let that sink in.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So he's got a torn laborer and his normal non
throwing shoulder and it's just located. You're asking him to
play through that. You got a guy that you took
with a number ten pick last year that you were
so said that he was gonna be your guy. That
you let a guy walk out the door that had
thrown like thirty plus high thirty touchdown for you if
(19:34):
you would have I think fewer than fifteen interception if
I'm not mistaken. So you let that guy walk out
the door. But now you got a guy that's a journeyman.
He's turned into a journman. Yes, he was the number
two pick in the draft, and yeah he had a
nice three year run and feeling them at all fell
apart and he's bounced around every since. But so now
he's a journeyman quarterback. You willing to keep a journeman.
(19:56):
You're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn laborerm
and a different what's being I don't know, I'm just
reading what's being reported. You're asking a guy that's a
journeyman quarterback that has a torn labor and a dislocated
non throwing shoulder to go out.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
There and gut it up.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Instead of putting a guy there that was a high
draft pick that you believed so much in, a guy
that you saw go through the totality of a season
and play exceptionally well, you let him walk out the door.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Hey, I know what Sam Donald looks like before he
left might have left a bad taste in a lot
of people's mouths. But the position he puts you in
in the regular season to even be in contention to
be in the playoffs, it was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It was a great run.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And it was a kind of run where you bring
someone like that back who gives you a chance. He
puts you in position he allows you to maximize what
you want to do offensively with his decision making and
chemistry that he built with Hodginson, Addison and Justin Jefferson.
You know, walk out to throw it because now you
have a situation like you do now where we're saying,
(21:04):
God damn. JJ McCarthy has been injured on the sideline
with a high angle spring for six weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I know that's about I know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
The devil is a lot somebody lying. I don't know
who it is because now I'm not sure. Now you
really don't want to put him out there based on
what you saw already when he was when he had
the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like
it should It doesn't look like you guys made the
right choice.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So now you're lying on. Carson Wentz to say the day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, look and he look, O Joe, he's on in
this second year, so he could get better. But I
had my questions about him because they ran the ball
way more at Michigan than they threw it. So I
was always like, Okay, what happened when they're gonna require
you to throw the ball the days of you just
being able to run the football, you got to throw
it in this league. I don't care who you are,
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They're gonna come a time that you're gonna have to
make and more time than not, you're gonna need to
throw the football. And so I was always a little
leary on that part. Now I will say this, Look,
I thought they could have kept Sam Donald, but I
knew they wouldn't keep Sam Donald for the simple fact
of the money. And they tied up into JJ McCarthy.
He was the number ten pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
O joe. But it wasn't a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Now, if Minnesota had back to Brins truck up and
said okay, we got forty we got forty forty five
fifty million, I get Minnesota. But this is a very
digestible contract. This was almost like a Baker Mayfield contract.
Thirty million is the lower level of a starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And so I was a little surprised that they didn't
that they didn't go to thirty, that they didn't look
at least for another year or two. Hell if, and
I get it, this is not a very fair assessment,
But your love rode the bench. Now he's backing up
somebody much more substantial, improving. But he sought his ass
on the bench. Aaron Rodgers sought the bench, so there's
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no harm in that. And look, if Sam Donald doesn't
make it this year, but Sam Donald is not old.
Sam dollars twenty six, so if he continued to play, well,
hell I move on from JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I passed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I ship his hands out because JJ McCarthy's what how
much younger is JJ McCarthy than Sam Donald?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Ash?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Because I think Sam Dollard's twenty six years of age,
so it's not like he's thirty thirty two. And plus
you're dealing with a quarterback, so they you know, they
like dog years. That twenty that twenty six is really
like fourteen. Oh yeah, so it's not like other positions.
How old is JJ McCarthy and how old is Sam Donald? Okay,
(23:48):
Sam dollars twenty eight J J. McCarthy's twenty two only
twenty two twenty two.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, man, listen, I'm not I'm not a GM, I'm
not an owner, but I understand.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I know it gets our best chance to win, and
I'm not gambling.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Regards to him being the number ten pick, There's no
problem with him saying he has he has a team
friendly contract, even being the number six. I'm bringing Donald
back and giving him that lower tier, no disrespect. I'm
speaking in football terms, of course, in quarterback money, to
see what he can do for us the next two
or three years.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Leave the next two before I have to, because I
really don't have to make a decision on saying on
JJ McCarthy, oh Joe, until you're year four, going into
year five. I got to make a decision so I
don't have to do a deal with him. I mean, obviously,
guys that are playing get deals done after their third
year if they're that guy. So I get that. But
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theoretically I can go in there. I could go into
year four says Okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Donald.
I think we've maxed them out. Okay, JJ, I'm gonna
give you a year to prove it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
With hey, but I'm not in decision. But I think
the thing is Ojo going to that year four. Now
I got to pick up his fiftier option. And one
thing about it too, You know what I don't like.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
You know, I think it's the perfect situation for him.
You played in Michigan, so you used to being in
that type of environment. Obviously, you come from a school
where you ran the ball, you know, a high percentage
of the time.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But your quarterback, your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You're in the NFL now, and if you can throw
the ball to Geordanadison, Hockinson and Justin Jefferson, you don't belong.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You just don't. Oh there is what you just don't belong.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because that's one of the better receiving cores in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And even if even if you can't bring yourself to
their level of play, they're so good they can hide
whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And the fact that he can play.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Going at the week six and we talk about it's
still like ankle spray. Something may write and it damn
sure hangle spring that's not it. I mean we know that,
and I'm not sure what they're trying to hide. But
whatever weaknesses that he may have as a quarterback, they
have to find a way to hide it because you
had the players around them that can hide it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You have to play it around them can hide it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think the thing is, oh Joe, you can only
hide it for so long. It's like in easter egg
they might not find it, but somebody's gonna find them eggs.
So whatever your weakness is as a quarterback, o shoe,
we're gonna find it sooner or later, because as long
as you continue to play, we're gonna find out where
you're weak at. That's just that's just that's just that's
just how it is. And so uh, I agree with you.
(26:31):
I just knew based on the NFL the number ten
pick they really like this guy that But and also
I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that
he wanted to be guaranteed as his starting job. Seattle
guaranteed him a starting job.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Okay, you talked about Donald okay okay oko.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
And so under that's those circumstance answers.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But it's hard for me to believe Ojoe, somebody gonna
pay you thirty million dollars and you don't start.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, and there are there aren't very many places that
he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where
they weren't going to guarantee me.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
They guarantee him the starting job. It wasn't anybody there.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You're gonna have to look over your shoulder and understand, Okay,
their pressures on me. If I don't play well, they're
probably gonna put this guy in you. You're in a
great You're in a great spot. I think Minnesota will
have been a great spot for him to come back.
I'm not sure what mentioned was there's a reason why
there's a reason why I'm not an owner because that's,
you know, the choice of the decision I would have made.
And now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is
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flourishingsn are having a fing ball.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, they and I think O Joe. When they moved
on from they moved on from Gino. Now you look
at the situation. They moved on from DK, they moved
on from Lockett. It seems like lock it with the Tennessee.
Now he's going to be reunited with Pete Carroll and
Gino and in Las Vegas. Uh, maybe a lot of
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people like, man, what do they have? They got Jackson
Smith and Jigbuck, they got js in and he is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And listen what we what we can do as well?
Because he's not too far removed from winning the Triple Crown.
I love Cooper Cup. He might not be the Cooper
Cup old yeah, Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
At they can still make plays.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can still make plays.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
He can still he's still one of the butter butter
route runners, one of the better creatives there, like to
say artistry when it comes to running routes. Yes, still,
he's still one of those despite what people may think.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's just not He's not going to be used like that.
That's not Sean mcvay's system. Sean McVay. If you look
at the way Sean McVay used Cooper Cup, you look
at the way Sean McVay look used.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Poopa Nakua, Well, yeah, that's not what he is.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
They're not going to use him like that because first
he's not the number one, that's JSN.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So now the Jay saying he's going to get the
favorable he's going to get the favorable play calls. He's
going to get me the first target and so but
if you go back and look at it, o Jo,
I think Cooper Cup only had one one thousand yard
receiving season. That was the triple Crown season season.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's that's funny how that works, right, that's funny. And
I saw that before with understandable. Damn you won the
Triple Crown. And I remember going back and looking at
some of his numbers. Me and TJ who's from Zadaw,
were talking about at one point and he told me,
we'll go look at all the stats from before that,
and it's unbelievable. With the right system, with the right coach,
and putting you in the right positions, in right position
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to make certain plays, they.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Can munipulate the offense to where you can succeed no
matter what. Yeah, no matter what, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And obviously when it was time to work and wiggle
him out that system, here comes Pooping the coolup.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, he's draft players, new draft players. You need smart players.
Those guys on the bigger side, they're not your typical slot.
You look at Pooper, you look at Cooper Cup, They're
not these they're not the Julian Edelman, They're not be
a Wes Welkers, They're not the typical slot receivers. They're
on the business on the bigger size, which means they're
gonna have to be able to take more punishment because
when you catch that many balls on Joe, you gotta
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get a damn ass load of targets. Because Cooper Cup
caught one hundred and forty something balls, that means he's
one ninety two hundred targets, nineteen hundred and what nineteen
hundred and thirty yard receiving yards. He was well over
two thousand. He was probably down. He was down near
two hundred catches on the season. When you tally up
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what he did in the postseason and you look at
the yard and he was well, he was like I
think he was like twenty three twenty four hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
He is chice.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
And you look at what he did in the playoff games.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So he probably had another thirty another thirty plus catches,
So you figure attack on another thirty thirty five catches
with another forty five fifty targets. Now you see hell,
he might have had two hundred and thirty two hundred
and fifty targets, call one hundred and ninety of them.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
When I think about it like that, as dynamic, as
dynamic of a playmaker as he was, I would always
always sit back and hypothetically think, damn, I wonder what
my numbers would look like in that situation.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Being that, you know, but we're a lot of punishment.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's a lot of punishment.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Hey, I could take punishment, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I ain't got no problem going across that middle and
doing some of it, doing some of the things that
really made me uncomfortable. I can sit there and tell
you that. I mean I wasn't comfortable, you know, sitting
there running running screens.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't like that. I like to be having a
somewhat of.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, you're not gonna catch that many balls getting pushed
down the field. O yoe, they can't throw that the
ball pushing you out.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Of No, not no.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
One hundred and you know he caught one hundred and
forty something balls. So think about how many, how many
how many screens bubble screens that he actually caught. I
don't like how many, how many, how many little smoke routes? Yeah,
I don't like those.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
I'm gonna be honest with you that it gives me
a certain level of uncertainty, a certain love of uncomfortability
with me not being able to have my eyes on
what's in front of me and me having the focus
on the ball now having.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
A runner route and understanding being able to read defenses
and knowing where everybody's going to be and with their job,
and knowing when I can get out.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Of breaks, I can protect myself.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I know what's coming, I know where you're coming from,
I know where the pursuits coming from.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But having to turn.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm
a damn pump return.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
That makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah it is, Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Through the first eight weeks of the season, the coach
and Daniel Jones have been the biggest surprise. When Andy
signed Jones this offseason, he was widely viewed as another
option behind twenty twenty three number four pick Anthony Richardson,
but Jonathan Taylor realized the job with Jones after the
first practice when he first got in the training Campany
called check has been the playbook. But if you've been
(32:55):
here one of those checks, that's like oh yeah, we
call that sometimes. The fact that he called it is like,
did this guy have the playbook six months ago?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's what I understood.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh okay, his level of preparation is different for him
to come in day one, day two and make that call,
make that check.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He's been studying.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's day one of install and he's already that far ahead.
I'm like, this guy is legit. Yes, sir, I don't
know how I'm gonna ask you. I know how I
took that. I know how I took that. He didn't
say it. He he from praised, but that was a
(33:34):
I think that was a shot at they are go ahead,
but you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think players don't intend to take shots at other
individuals that play the same position when praising another I
think just praising the fact that Daniel Jones was so
well informed with the offense to have already been there,
to know the way, to know what the ends and
outs and the nuance of it after just getting there.
(34:02):
It's like, well, god, Lee, but you also have to
understand what je Dame Jones is fighting for it.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
He's fighting for.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
A job, an opportunity to start after leaving somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It just didn't work, and maybe this could have been
a good thing for Anthony richards in the seat. Okay, No,
I have a better understanding of what I need to do,
the way to conduct myself, not only as a pro,
but as quarterback number one. Well, uh was quarterback number
one of a team. This is the stuff I needed
to do make sure I succeeded, not just in the classroom,
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not just in practice, but the results of doing so
and putting the work.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
In is going to show up on Sundays where it
mattered most.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I don't think Jonathan Taylor was intentionally trying to take
a swipe at Anthony Richardson. He was heaping praise, but
in the process of heaping praise, people gonna look like
with damn, yeah, he just got there a month ago,
and you got a court the back that's been there
for two years and he never did anything like this,
and he had the playbook. So that's the thing. No
(35:07):
o yo, No, was he out there trying to say, well, hey,
we've heard a story. He was the first the league first,
he was the last day in the first out. They
minsed it for a reason. But that's what I mean.
The quarterback the preparation has to be so intense and
if you and a lot of times that's why they
(35:28):
go ahead and get mad because they like, I can't
be out there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I need to be home.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I need to be in front of this projector and
I need to was an iPad now oyo, and I
need to be going through and I need my mind
focused on how not home? And so they're going over
and over and over and over. I told you from
day one, and once I saw what he was getting paid,
I said, we're gonna be starting.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It ain't gonna be started.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I'm not even sure when I saw that too.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Obviously, it's just having common sense and understanding the game,
understanding the business at that though.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yep, what I didn't understand. If you got a project, okay,
somebody say you got a project car, or you got
a project home. Oh Joe, you don't try to drive
the car. You say you gotta fix something. You got
a project, it's gonna take work. It's gonna take you
six months, it's gonna take you a year to get
it operational. You got a project home, You're like, oh man,
(36:22):
I got this home. I brought this home, but I'm
gonna fix it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Up. You don't try to live in it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You said this guy was a project, he had immense talent,
and he does and you started.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
What changed, babe?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Just just go back and look at his tape from
high school, look at his tape from college, and you
tell me this man should have been a starter from
day one. No, oh, Joe, No, you did him. You
did him a huge disservice. Can he go somewhere else
(36:58):
it's gonna take. I mean, he's got something he needs
to go get with someone to understand mechanics of throwing everything.
You can't be throwing the football like you're trying to
throw it through a hurricane, because nothing has touched.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Everything is one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Shallow cross is throwing it like he's throwing a far
across or deep over.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
No, bro, And look, give Daniel Jones credit.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
He's came, he's come in and like you said, the
situation didn't work out. And in New York he had
to sit the bench, and in Minnesota, but he got
an opportunity. And he says, if I get another opportunity, take.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Advantage of it, because I'm not letting I can get
too many not to be started now be a starter,
not to say, Okay, this is my team, I have
nothing to worry about.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
You don't get too many of them chances, especially coming.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
From New York.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Shoot, if you can't it done in New York, you know,
which is obviously what I would consider. I mean the
big one of the biggest markets, maybe the biggest market.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Can deal with that meeting.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
You could deal with anything you it is.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's just like you know, Trey Lance he was a project.
He played.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I just I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Where is Trey Lance at as a backup?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Is he in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Still a Houston? Because I know he wasn't. Oh no,
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
He's on the Chargers, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
He played basically he played all the preseason the Chargers.
Carl Banks, who's the radio analyst for the Giants, was
extremely critical this week of Dexter Lawrence on his podcast
with Bob Popper Pop Dexter Lawrence, nobody respects you anymore, nobody,
Banks said, before going on going in on to say
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Lawrence wasn't playing at the same level as previous seasons.
Lawrence strongly disagreed with Banks, or saying sith sciting at
the rate in which he gets double team, those are
strong words. That's how you feel, ef it, he's delusional.
Lawrence is getting double team a league high seventy five
percent of the past rate, seventy five percent of the
rate on his past rush opportunities. Yeah, I know Banks.
(39:20):
I played against Banks. Obviously he's older than me, but
I played against Banks. I think he was still at
the Giants. I know I played against him when he
was at Cleveland because when Coach Belichick went in Cleveland,
he took Banks with it. Banks was originally one of
the Giants him. It was him, PEP, Harry Carson, and LT.
(39:40):
So that's why I know him for him, So I know,
I know, I know, I know Banks. Yeah, what do
you what do you? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh Joe?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
When when analysts come out played the game, he played
the game at a high level. I think one year
Banks was the first team All Pro. As a matter
of fact, I think he beat an LT LT that
year he was the first team All Pro?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Uh what what? What?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
What what do you say when guys are critical? I mean,
you know, he just this is his opinion that he
doesn't believe that that that Dexter is is playing at
the level in what you've played in years past, and
playing got a level in which he got the big
contract that the Giants given him, which you earned.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I mean, honestly, you got three defensive defensive tackles in
the NFL that are considered the best right now. Chris
Jones is one of them. Yeah, Jeffer Jeffers is another,
and that third is in no particular order. In the
third is Dexter Lawrence. Now, I'm sure when mister Banks
(40:43):
is watching when it comes to football, especially the New
York Giants, I'm sure he probably watches all the Giants game,
being that he had.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah he's Aeless, Yeah, yeah, he and Bob Paper, yes,
and that he.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Has a podcast that he's doing with Big Paper. But
you can see and understand that they scheme ways to
stop Exter Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Everybody down, it's.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Gonna be a double team. Second down, it's gonna be
a double team. So you understand how difficult it is
for him to have the efficiency that Carl Banks is
looking for, saying that nobody's scared of you anymore.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
If they weren't scared of him anymore, they wouldn't be
double team no one.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Let me ask your question, how many times you think
AD got double? Now?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Were talking about two different dogs. We talked about two
totally different dogs.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
You and I both know when you become that guy,
you can't give excuses.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
You can't say, hey, man, get up about your man
double me. We pay you to be.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
You've been in the trenches, right, Yeah, you know what
it's like dying and now I'm not.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
I know I play around a lot. I don't hate.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I don't be dying.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
There, but I know what I'm strong. Joke you could do, and.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I know what it's like and have your That's about
the way that and having.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
To take on two of that every time, no matter
how strong you are, you mean, I gotta get I
gotta deal with two of me.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
What we do, what we do, Ojoe, is that we
don't do it every time, but we do it enough
that when we don't do it, you're anticipating it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So you hesitating. That's all I need. He who hesitated beat,
So that's all I need to do.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I'm gonna double your ass enough that now when I
don't double, you're anticipating the double to come. What did
they what do they do? To receivers that used to
get in the ball. What I'm gonna do is double
you early on. I'm gonna get you frustrated. I ain't
gonna w the whole game. I just want to do
it just the first quarter. Get you frustrated. Then I
got you.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
So I look, I get it. You look.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I think when you when you're losing. Okay, what's going on?
Why aren't we winning? Because I think you look at
got Law. They got Bibberdeau, they got Carter, they got
Brian Burns. Ain't no reason you give up thirty three
points in the fourth quarter. I don't give it that.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
What you say, squad? They got a nice squad of names.
They got a nice squad of names.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Man, Brian, Brian, Uh, what's the what's his name? Brian
Burns been to the Pro Bowl? That's the lards?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Was it all?
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Pro?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Tib fibberd? They got. They got guys that can.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Now the back end leaves a lot to be desired, okay,
because they don't get there. It's gonna be a completion. Absolutely,
he said, it's been double But it's hard o you.
I mean, people like people talking and the thing is
banks knows football.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Banks study is the game. He's a student of the game.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Anybody, No, no, no, no, it's it's not it's absolutely not.
All I can tell tell law Dex, Hey, just keep plugging, bro,
just keep plugging away.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
That's all you do.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
That's all you can do.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
But that god damn double team, boy, that's just what
the thing, hell boy.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I mean, you got to realize they got six hundred
pounds rooting your ass up out of there. You know,
he's you know, he under his shade nose. Hey, bro,
you got the center and the guard. Oh, they don't
get your ass up out of there.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And it's so funny speaking of that, and watching Aaron
Donald and some of the clips with him, and he
get off so fast and make it make yourself skinny.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
To where he's.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Dealing with one man out of the double team and
that that that's that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And every blue moon you'll see him he'll.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Grabbed one in the middle of the chest in one
hand and had the other way in the middle of
the chest with the other hand, and he and he
looking he controlling everything.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I'm like, how the hell is he doing all that?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
A lot of times you have to You have to
able to feel the double team. You see how the
guy how how if he's trying to reach me, they're
trying to scoop me, or they see they're trying to call.
You know, they're trying to power, they're trying to combo
block me. But that's instinct. That's years and years of
playing that double team and understand it because you know,
like you said, hey, you gotta make him pile, but
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he was so good at playing on the edge, so
he's not. And the same thing I tell tight ends, bro,
don't let that man square you up. You give him
a side. You give him a side, don't let him
put don't let him put his hands in your breastplate.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You're not going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
And don't let him be strong. You definitely moved.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, you better be able to war. And that's what
that's what the good detacles.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Look out. Look at Aaron donnad rush. You see he doing.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
He's doing like a wide receiver, tight End, he's up
there doing this. I trying to get skinny, trying to
trying to run the rim. What we they used to
have a circle of the guys running around it and
see how low they could get and get around there.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's frustrated when you lose, or tell you know that.
And when you lose. Okay, who makes the most money?
God God making say fifty thousand dollars? Why are we
talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Him to that?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, and listen and almost and the funny thing about
it is a lot of people will see this is
Hayden obviously when it comes to probably the best player
on the defense.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, he is next through Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
And to come out and say something like that, well,
people know, people aren't scaredy anymore when obviously you're statistically
based on the numbers that you just said that anyone
that's being blocked and the other team seventy percent of
the time or more.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I mean, there's your answer.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
There's oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
The Eagles are reportedly interested in a potential blockbuster trade
involving star pass rusher Miles Garrett. According to y'all Who's
Sports Charles Robinson, I've heard it from a couple of
other super high ranking people and other teams that are
clearly on the phones that Howie Roseman and the Eagles
are super hot at the Miles Garrett, that Hoy Roseman
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will give up like three first round picks.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
And a player.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, you know what, I think they'd probably be
willing to give up three first round picks and probably
Jordan Davis or one of those superstar you know, one
of those young players. I don't think they'd be willing
to give up Carter, but I think they'd be willing
to give up Davis.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
But it's gonna take three first rounds and.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
It's damn well is damn well worth it?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
One thing about Howie Rosevehan, if you watch the way
he maneuver him, the way he conducts business when it
comes to getting players and building a team, building a roster,
you know. And obviously right now the main thing is
the main thing with the Philadelphia Eagles, despite what everybody's
talking about, they trying to go back and repeat on
absolute back and repeat, and goddamn, Howie rosemanth is pushing
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all his chips in.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
On the table.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
I know what I need, I know what piece can
help us, and that's going to get Yeah, goddamn, what happened?
What happened if with that trade through her three first
round picks and a player, what if they want a
J Brown in exchange?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Hey, they won't you can have him?
Speaker 4 (48:21):
What what?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Because the way I look at it, Oho, if I
get him and I'm and I'm the Philadelphia Eagles that
I believe I could be. Where are we gonna be
picking the bottom half? You're gonna get somewhere between twenty
eight and thirty two. We're not gonna be in the
top ten. So it's not gonna hunters. It's not gonna
hurt us. See now you mess around and you picking
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in the top ten. All uh Chicago, who's that?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Clear?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Uh? Carolina? Remember Carolina one of the first pick.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And the next year boom that that that pick that
you gave up is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, And I honestly mean, just thinking about it, the
only thing that makes sense. Okay, you're giving us three
first round picks, and we need something of equal value
if we're letting if we're letting up.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I wouldn't give up both though, O Joe, I
would give up three first round picks. You don't you
don't get a J and Cardinal with AJ and right
you can get you can get a J. You know what,
I might be willing to give up Carter and keep
Jordan Davis.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
No, No, absolutely not, I would no, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I'm going the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
And obviously it might not be anybody defensively with with
all the smoke, with all the talking, you know, they
might let sticks go because I think that's the value
who Davante, I say, sis, I mean that be Leven?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
But I think o Jo Carter hadn't been the same player,
and the injuries he then wasn't in shape like he
was supposed to see Teams factored that in Oh Jo
your Kids twenty four. So if he's not in shape
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at twenty four, what makes me think he's gonna be
in shape at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. Cause
and now, Ojo, I got to give a big car.
I gotta put a big contract on the table. Now
he's gonna want thirty thirty two, thirty three, thirty four million?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Am I willing?
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Is that someone I can trust to invest that kind
of money in? I already know what I'm gonna be
at Miles Garrett. I'm cool with that. I already know
Miles Garret's gonna play like he's broke and he's one
of the highest played defensive players in football. So I'm
I'm not ever worried about him being in shape. Now
I got to worry about him speeding a little bit. Hey,
they amn miles slowed down. Damn bro. But uh hey,
(50:49):
I'm sure they've had they I think Andrew Barry has
had a conversation with him. I think he's got like
six speeding tickets, a couple of them excess of one
hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
That's something that he needs to work on.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But I don't have to worry about him when it
comes to being in condition and being him playing hard.
I don't have to light a fire up under oh
Joe if I pay you that kind of money, Oh Joe,
I don't need to give you no pep talk.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I don't need to say, come on, son, we need
it today. Written what.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I need you to say? Hey, Son, I don't need
you can't practice today because I don't want you to
hurt nobody. That's That's that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Look I all we can go by is O Joe.
By body language. What's being said.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Something is going on that AJ doesn't seem happy, he
doesn't feel like he's getting the targets that because he's
Oh Joe, he's looking at a what up in Cincinnati?
That man got forty two targets. I haven't got forty
two targets all year. This man got forty two targets
in two games.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Different.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
He's looking at Pookah, he's looking at Jedda, he's looking
at all the these guys that he said, I'm a
number one, and I see number one. They get their targets,
they get seven, eight, ten targets a game. I get
three or four, and I'm supposed to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, you're supposed to be okay with that when you're
win it. And that's that's what everybody says. But you
got to be careful what you wish for because you
gotta think.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
But you got to tell people think about the situation.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
Trade deadline is what the fourth.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
November fourth, So Tuesday, Tuesday at four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
You gotta be careful what you wish for because you're
coming from a perfect situation. And what happens if you
end up in Cleveland because there's inconsistent play at the
quarterback position. Yeah, I think if you put a a J.
Brown in that system, now, I think they will put
you in position to be able to get for that.
(52:51):
You got damn catches game.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
But who can get it to it? Man? You trusted,
you trusted? No no, no, no, no no. It takes
a It takes.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's a veteran quarterback to target somebody twenty three times
and the guy called, what did he catch? Like sixteen
of them? He got targeted? What six nineteen times? He
caught twelve of them? Everybody, everybody doesn't know how to
do that. But the things that I love most about
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the Eagles, and I love this about the Lions also,
is that not only are they developing players, they're not
afraid to go get somebody they feel that can really
help them get to that. You see you look at
and uh where it's uh oh, we're gonna talk about
(53:41):
it a little like I'll touch on it right now.
You look at the joint. They say, man, we need
to look Matthew Stafford, he wants to go block. Okay,
we'll make a trade that k Rams give us two
first rounders and Jered Goff. Now they gonna get Pi,
they sul, they get your mere Gibbs. Now they get
j j Mo, they get Am and Rock Saint Brown,
they get a Hutchinson and guess what they've done, O Joe.
(54:04):
We drafted them, we developed them, we paid them. Look
at the money that they paid all these guys. You
see four years to twelve four years, one, eighty four years, one,
twenty four years, won, twelve four years, ninety three. You see,
you see a real current thing. Now, guys know, now,
if I come here and I work my butt off,
I'm gonna get paid. Ain't no dealy dalling around, ain't
(54:27):
playing no mind games. And the buck stops with me
on my desk, and don't nobody get this and that
ain't about no egos, Brad.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Kudos to Brad Holmes, the general manager.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
And also kudos to him for drafting too, for drafting well,
because Brad Holmes, that's ent draft players and hope they
pan out, and they actually don't pan out. But it's
like everyone they drafted today, it always just seems to
pan out, which is why they've been able to pay
players and develop them and.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
They get the money that they get.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Because Kirby Joe drafted really well.
Speaker 6 (54:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Uh you know they I mean, they've done They've done
a great job. You look at that D line.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
You look at those linebackers Campbell and you look at uh,
what's the big D lineman that just came back. They've
done a great job of identifying a player that fits
their system. You know, Coach Cabelichick used to take a
lot of criticism for guys like who is this guy?
But Coach Belichick knew what he was looking for. He's
looking for two guys defensive linemen. You not gonna get
no sacks. Remember Chris Long left, He said, yeah, it's
(55:26):
fun to win, but I want to be a player.
I just don't want to hold up so the linebackers
can make plays. My job is a defensive as an
edge rusher. Excuse me, Chad, I want to hunt the quarterback.
I don't want to just sit on the porch and
bart let me hunt. And so you identify the player
that's gonna fit the system, a player that personality wise
(55:50):
will fit your system, because it doesn't do any good
if the guy fits the system but he's a jackass.
You have to identify that. You identify that that you
do your homework. Now you're gonna miss some because sometimes
guys can fool
Speaker 2 (56:03):
You, absolutely, But I just love what they do. M.
The Browns, Vinch Joe Flacko after one and three stint
as a starter rookie Dylan Gabriel's one and three. Many
in Cleveland are wondering if your Door Sanders now deserve
its own shot.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Today, Kevin Stefanski was asked by Mary Kay Cabot whether
he's considering the possibility of playing your door. His response,
the focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay,
that's not my focus. Can we stop asking the questions?
Y'all know this man don't want to play your door.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You know, you know people we know that, and people
the people you know in the chat, not not in
the chat, but this is in general when we talk
about cleating the brown Oh, it's.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
It's damn.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
What's the word when they don't like someone and they
how they're doing the wrong? I forgot the word to use.
But listen, we already know who the play was. We
already know where the play was. They didn't want him.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It was Drew Berry.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No, and Andrew Berry, Andrew with Andrew Berry's pick. It
wasn't it wasn't the owner, it wasn't the fan ski.
So this is exactly what they want. This is exactly
what they want. It seems as if they were that
someone forced their hand to take this pick and they
don't want to give him opportunity to play the game.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
From the small sample size.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That we've seen from Dylan Gabriel, he has now had
these played four games that they're won, and three he
won't push.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The ball down the field. It's hard. I can't run
the ball, and all.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You do is that you shore, you fish from you
short fish, I catch the big fish. The big fish
don't swim close along the shore. They're out the deep.
And so to get points you got to push the
ball down the field at some point.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, but maybe he's maybe he's not.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He's not that comfortable doing just that yet, because we
saw him push that push the ball down the field,
and the god damn preseason, we saw him push the
ball down the field. I see him. I saw him
throw short balls. I thought I saw him throw eating
needed I saw him throw dig rocks. I didn't really
see him throwing throw anything deep. But I think there's
a certain level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively,
they're not called him plays for him to push the
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ball down the field because obviously maybe that's not what
he's good at. That's the only thing I think of.
But if it was good at doing it, you would
call the plays that call for him to do just that.
What we're asking of, you know, to for to win games.
He's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games.
And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understands that my job
is on the line because this is the guy I
(02:22):
stood up on the table for and who I wanted
to make you know, the start of our team.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
At some point, you're gonna lose the locker room too,
huh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And you're gonna lose the locker room and just take
the right person to say something A Denzel Ward, A
Miles Garrett. You know, you know your captains, you'd be
like theyten, we need to do something.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I mean to see.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Miles Gart frustrated like that, the way he was understanding
that offensively we're not getting it done, knowing that needs
to be made. I mean, but I think that's the
heel that Kevin s Fank is willing to die on
because this is my guy and he knows that.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I mean, the job ain't a jeopardy. He's not in
the hot.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Seat in the hot seat. So you know what thing
so hell no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Joe Flacco training camp completion percentage was fifty eight point
seven in his first In his fourth start, he was
at sixty nine percent. Then he went to fifty six percent,
fifty eight, and his last game as a starter, he
was forty seven percent.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He's somebody in the chat funny as here, but Abe
did throw it down the field, but the guy in accepted.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Look, man, look, I'm just tired of like, man, push
your door.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Man it.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
They don't seem as interested in.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Putting your door in as we're interested in seeing him.
And who knows what would happen if he got in there,
But I think we want to see what it would happen. Yeah, yeah,
And my thing is he're like, well he didn't play.
He wasn't even the number two. Bailey Zaffery was the
number two on Sunday, so he had to dealer with
a backendury. Well how you heard it? Well, he just
stand on the sideline so I could get back with
(03:59):
ty hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Hi, Hi, he have a back surgery. But he was
out there throwing the ball in pregame.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'm just I've just out there.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Look even though it ain't nothing wrong, ain't nothing wrong
with him, the same way the ain't nothing wrong with J. J.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
McCarthy. There's nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's just the game that they do play.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
If you understand the game and understand what they will
do and what they report, knowing they did's nothing wrong
with you to cover there, you know what, get us
on the outside to shut up. But listen, I played
the game. I understand that similar things that you will
do when you don't really want a person to actually
be in the game and to contribute. You don't want
to look wrong, you don't want to be wrong, and
(04:39):
the decisions that you've made. Of course, you're not gonna
play him because you know he probably will go in
there and succeed.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Door Sanders works and operates.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Very well in a chaotic environment, and that's the environment
that has been created for him because of who he is,
and obviously also because it's that's that's they did.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They didn't want them, but he.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Will operate very well in the type environment, and they
don't want that to happen.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
So what do we do.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
We say, he's hurt, his back is messed up.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You tell you tell the reporter chemist defense. He says, hey,
don't ask me the focus. The focus is what it
is right now is Dylan Gabriel and doing everything we
can to make sure he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Improves week to week.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But the ticket, because the next thing that's gonna happen,
it ain't gonna be the reporter saying something and asking questions.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It's going to be the own players in your locker room.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Uh is training camp completion percentage was fifty five percent
and it's four starts. He was at fifty eight percent,
fifty six percent, seventy two percent, sixty percent, So it
looks like he's right about where he was in training camp.
And because there, they don't have the best playmakers. They
don't have they don't have the Detroit skill position players,
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they don't have Green Bay skill position and players. They
don't have h sinceies, they don't have a CD and pick.
That's not what they have. So when you don't have
that level of talent on the outside and you have
a marginal quarterback, what do you think you're going to get?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Listen, you know what?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Then the owners and the onus at that point is
on the office of coordinator, who's.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Calling the plays.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Okay, well, listen, I understand to have a quarterback right
here in Dylan Gabriel. There's certain weaknesses that he does have.
I have n't Juku Tillman, Jerry Judy. I know what
they can do. I know what they can do. I
know what their strengths are. How can I put them
in the positions? Creativity? Creativity and it creative work, creatively
(06:50):
and yeah, creatively the road.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I'm talking to damn fast creatively to hide some of
the things in the flaws that Dylan Gabriel is good at.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So now, you can't make your taller, so you can't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You can't make him grow four inches, so you can't
do anything about that.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
You can't have a stronger arm, You can't do anything
about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, your offensive line is not the best if there's
not anything you can do about that because you have
what you have.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Really know where you I don't know how much better
it can get for the Browns based on what you
have currently.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, I listen, I don't know. I'm all, I'm all
a lot of suggestions. I mean, everyone else is suggested.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know, do this, do that? What everybody wanted, they got.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You got what you wanted, You got your quarterback, you
got Joe Flacco gone now having success, you know, in
the air throwing to the greatest, the greatest duo in
the NFL. Now, Dylan gave us your quarterback. But you're
still in the same You're still in the same place.
You're still in the same position.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You think you think your dual better than Dallas a duo,
Come again and ask me, ask that one more time.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Wait, wait, wait before you ask me, think about what
you're asking me to Ask me again, then ask you'll.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ask you do you believe that your duo is better
then dallas Is duo?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, not only do I believe that our due is
better than Dallas's duo, But it's it's it's it's where
where where we are, we are better, We are better
as a whole. And this is no disrespect to see
the n pick. But they right below us, and it's
close to yeah, right close to meet them. To stay
with me now, it's close. But because of Jamar Chase
(08:37):
it the south Okay, and t t.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Is very good. You know, George Picking can do what T.
Higgins does.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I think you're doing a little better.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I think so
they about they about equivalent. Now he can go up
and get it, you know, uh t t get running
and routes them. The fifty fifty balls turn eighty twenty
when it's them too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And the thing I like about Pick is Pick is angry.
He get his ball, hands on the ball. He's like,
you have to tackle me. I ain't going down, I
ain't running out of bounds. You gonna have to tackle me.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I love that, And I love I love the
focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I love that, I love I love that simple.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I just.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Uh she door has been liking I G posts today
that are calling for him to start for the Browns
after the bye week.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
We'll see whatever you got to do, whatever whatever you
got to do. And obviously going into the bye week,
this is the Browns bye week, right, Yes, they definitely
not definitely not name the starters on the bye week,
but we're gonna see what happens. We're gonna Getdynan Gabriel
another week, another week to get to get better, to
improve himself based on what he's done so far with
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the four stars he's had.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I wonder who they got coming out to buy.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Uh, that's as you coming out of the bye oh man.
And my thing is, yo is that No, you don't
have to do anything. It's just like who they got
the Jets coming out of the Byre.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Ain't no telling.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think that's as good.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's as good as any time to let you do
a start.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, I think Dylan Gabriel will be the start
against the Jets. Ain't I'm telling je Jets might come
out there and and molly walk there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
They already beat all so they got confidence.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Now, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Don't do that. Let's not bring up the past. Let's
not bring the past.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let's look forward, because in the Bible it said, uh,
do not look that behind you therefore, so you can
see where you go with.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I don't know your eyes closed the way to beat
you all up.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
You know, Look, there's only so much because I think
the thing is, I think for the most part, he's done.
He said all the right things, and I'm gonna support Dylan.
You know, Hey, you know we're in that room. I
think everybody when Joe is in the room, I think
your door, saying all the right things.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think he's been coached up.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think he's been groomed to play that position, to
say all the right things, because you are corporate when
you're in that position. But I think deep down he
believes he's better than Dylan Gable.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You know, he believed that every player.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That has competition at the pacific position believes they're better
than the person that's in front.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Of Yeah, you know, and unfortunately y'all won't, he said,
Unfortunately y'all won't give me an opportunity to show you
that I'm better.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean, look, there's only one way. There's only one
way to prove it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Give him go, let him go out there and give
him four stars, and let's see. I think the thing is, Oh, Joe,
I think they're gonna let this thing with Dylan Gaber
will go a little longer for the simple fact you
don't want to play. You've already moved on from Joe Flacco.
Joe Flakol got four stars. Are we really trying to
give Dylan Gaber four stars? Okay, give your door four stars.
It don't work out. What you do, go back to
Dylan Gaber. It don't work out with Dylan Gabor or
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go back And I don't know if that's where you want.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
To be at Ojo. I don't. I don't think that's
where you want to be.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The fancy is in a tough position now, he is
in a tough position.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The damn if you do, damn if you don't.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, basically that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But I think it's okay for them to have a
quarterback carousel and being able to make those changing. Those
changes were necessary because you need to find out what
you need to do for the foresee of your future.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
They're probably going to go back into They're probably gonna
go back in the draft and get a quarterback. But
I mean, looking at the quarterbacks. I'm looking around at
college right now, I don't see anybody. I don't see
anybody that blowing my socks. I'm like, oh, I got
to get them. I got to have him.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm glad you just said that because obviously everything at
the quarterback level. There's been some great quarterback play in
college football, but there's nothing that's gonna come to the
Cleveland Browns and be.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Like, oh shoot, we found the one.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's nobody Cleveland's more than a player away with you.
That's the problem. They're more than a player away, but.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
They're more than the player away.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
But if they get the right quarterback, which is yes,
the problem for the past now thirty six years, then
you're a little closer to where you want to get to.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But you can't even pass. You can't even get past
step one. No, well, you had the quarterbacks. You had
the quarterback. You just need to get some pieces around
Baker and let him heal. Yeah, but you know the
damage was done, you you you know, I guess conversation.
You know, he felt like they wanted him to be
something that he wasn't. They wanted him to be more
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button up, more structured. And he's a guy that he
wants to dance.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He cool with the locker room, the guys like him,
and so that wasn't their cup of tea. Well, if
the guy's gonna win, damn your cup of tea. I'm
trying to win.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, as all that matters at the end of the day,
especially for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's based on wins, wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think,
you know, Cleveland goes quiet for a minute, there's no games,
there's nothing to report. I don't know how much they're gonna. Oh,
they get the whole week off for the by week.
They gone, what you mean gone they practicing?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
They ain't practicing. You gotta get the week off.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Wait they change the rules or something.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, look up and see I think that's a rule.
You get the whole week off.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Man, I ain't never see.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Man what no, hell no, we got we got Thursday week. Man,
we got Friday. We normally we got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off.
We had a half day Thursday if everything went good,
you know, we got a half day Thursday. But it
was a whole Now we got a week in Baltimore.
But Mike Shanahan wasn't playing that. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I was like, damn, man, they man such a someth man.
Yeah we got the we getting the whole week of
I'm like, well, damn, we ain't got no week off.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They get the whole week off. Yeah that's crazy. So
they got to do any work they want to do
all by yourself. But obviously in the bye week you
want to get away from football.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you want.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
To reseentmentally, you want to really get yourself away from
anything football related.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Go home, you know, get in your game.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I mean, just do whatever you need to detach from
the game of football in your bye week. That's that's
the point of it. And when you do come back,
if you ready to hit it, you ready.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
To All I know is I heal my a lot
of my own injury. You're not gonna keep me here
on the boy a week because I got something I'm nicked.
Oh you good, yep. They sells at the convenience store.
Your eyes don't have medicine and all of it got
you got that rabbit turred ice. I got to get
that QB dice. It's all all the same.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, it all at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like your quarterback cars and went and set that undergo
season ending shoulder surgery on his non throwing shoulder. Oh joe,
and we'll be placed on injured reserve. JJ McCarthy began
the season as the starter, but who has missed the
last six game with a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer.
JJ is not huh yeah exactly. He was undrafted, so
you know even less about it. JJ McCarthy is not
only played two of twenty four regular season games since
he was drafted with the number ten pick in the
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twenty twenty fourth draft. Oh Joe, I got how bad
of the Vikings missing Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Listen?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
They missing Sam Donald very very much, so very much.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So Listen the way.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Sam Donald played last year, I still, for the life me,
can't understand why you let him walk out that door.
I just don't understand for the life of me, and
not knowing what you were getting with JJ McCarthy. I
understand he was a high round pick. I know what
he did in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But listen, there's no problem with him sitting behind and
learning from Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
With the way he played last year.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You don't let the quarterback, as hard as it is
to come by quarterbacks that you can find that can
maximize everything you want to do offensively.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
He did everything well.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets,
he didn't elect the Sam Donald and god damned Carolina,
but for some reason, everything in Minnesota it looked good.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He looked very good, similar to.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
How Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn Annapolis Coats, like
a completely different person.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Oh yeah, a completely different person.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And the same person is still carried on right now
in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He's still yes.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And now you're struggling. Now you're having quarterback bulls.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
He didn't know what to do, and I think they're
not playing JJ McCarthy on purpose.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ain't it can't be nothing wrong with him, can't be.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean, he was out a long time with a
high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Normally the guys get guys were getting back in three
high end four week. This will be six weeks that
he's must I'm just saying, no, right, you.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Know, goodwill. Ain't nothing wrong with the ankle. They ain't
nothing wrong with that ankle, you know that boy? Jj
A just to Jefferson, boy, he gonna cut up this week,
you hear me, Well, let let things don't go right,
Let things don't go the way they should be.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You know, they love they love calling.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Players divas and all this that are passionate and want
to win, and understand that in order for me to
have success, in order for us to have teams success,
we got to have the most important position, have a
good person, a good player with the ball, and we
don't have that.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Hey, them great players that we all love.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
They start to act up now you let you laughing,
but they love they.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Hey, they love the I'm not sure where that where
that with that term diva came from.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I'm not sure you know, but you know when.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Certain when came from y'all misbehavior?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, Hey, we don't misbehave. We're just passionate about the
position that we do play. We yeah, we'd like to
show a little theater, you know, a little a little energy.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You know, we do it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
It's called divas. When they do it, it's called.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Huh called passion, it's called.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know if you word the definition
change depending on the let me, let me.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's been reported that went tore his laborer and dislocated
his shoulder in week five and it's still played.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Let that sink in.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So he's got a torn laborer and his normal non
throwing shoulder and it's just located. You're asking him to
play through that. You got a guy that you took
with a number ten pick last year that you were
so said that he was gonna be your guy. That
you let a guy walk out the door that had
thrown like thirty plus high thirty touchdown for you if
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you would have I think fewer than fifteen interception if
I'm not mistaken. So you let that guy walk out
the door. But now you got a guy that's a journeyman.
He's turned into a journman. Yes, he was the number
two pick in the draft, and yeah he had a
nice three year run and feeling them at all fell
apart and he's bounced around every since. But so now
he's a journeyman quarterback. You willing to keep a journeman.
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You're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn laborerm
and a different what's being I don't know, I'm just
reading what's being reported. You're asking a guy that's a
journeyman quarterback that has a torn labor and a dislocated
non throwing shoulder to go out.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
There and gut it up.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Instead of putting a guy there that was a high
draft pick that you believed so much in, a guy
that you saw go through the totality of a season
and play exceptionally well, you let him walk out the door.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Hey, I know what Sam Donald looks like before he
left might have left a bad taste in a lot
of people's mouths. But the position he puts you in
in the regular season to even be in contention to
be in the playoffs, it was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It was a great run.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And it was a kind of run where you bring
someone like that back who gives you a chance. He
puts you in position he allows you to maximize what
you want to do offensively with his decision making and
chemistry that he built with Hodginson, Addison and Justin Jefferson.
You know, walk out to throw it because now you
have a situation like you do now where we're saying,
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God damn. JJ McCarthy has been injured on the sideline
with a high angle spring for six weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I know that's about I know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
The devil is a lot somebody lying. I don't know
who it is because now I'm not sure. Now you
really don't want to put him out there based on
what you saw already when he was when he had
the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like
it should It doesn't look like you guys made the
right choice.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So now you're lying on. Carson Wentz to say the day.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, look and he look, O Joe, he's on in
this second year, so he could get better. But I
had my questions about him because they ran the ball
way more at Michigan than they threw it. So I
was always like, Okay, what happened when they're gonna require
you to throw the ball the days of you just
being able to run the football, you got to throw
it in this league. I don't care who you are,
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They're gonna come a time that you're gonna have to
make and more time than not, you're gonna need to
throw the football. And so I was always a little
leary on that part. Now I will say this, Look,
I thought they could have kept Sam Donald, but I
knew they wouldn't keep Sam Donald for the simple fact
of the money. And they tied up into JJ McCarthy.
He was the number ten pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
O joe. But it wasn't a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Now, if Minnesota had back to Brins truck up and
said okay, we got forty we got forty forty five
fifty million, I get Minnesota. But this is a very
digestible contract. This was almost like a Baker Mayfield contract.
Thirty million is the lower level of a starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And so I was a little surprised that they didn't
that they didn't go to thirty, that they didn't look
at least for another year or two. Hell if, and
I get it, this is not a very fair assessment,
But your love rode the bench. Now he's backing up
somebody much more substantial, improving. But he sought his ass
on the bench. Aaron Rodgers sought the bench, so there's
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no harm in that. And look, if Sam Donald doesn't
make it this year, but Sam Donald is not old.
Sam dollars twenty six, so if he continued to play, well,
hell I move on from JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I passed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I ship his hands out because JJ McCarthy's what how
much younger is JJ McCarthy than Sam Donald?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Ash?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Because I think Sam Dollard's twenty six years of age,
so it's not like he's thirty thirty two. And plus
you're dealing with a quarterback, so they you know, they
like dog years. That twenty that twenty six is really
like fourteen. Oh yeah, so it's not like other positions.
How old is JJ McCarthy and how old is Sam Donald? Okay,
(23:48):
Sam dollars twenty eight J J. McCarthy's twenty two only
twenty two twenty two.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, man, listen, I'm not I'm not a GM, I'm
not an owner, but I understand.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I know it gets our best chance to win, and
I'm not gambling.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Regards to him being the number ten pick, There's no
problem with him saying he has he has a team
friendly contract, even being the number six. I'm bringing Donald
back and giving him that lower tier, no disrespect. I'm
speaking in football terms, of course, in quarterback money, to
see what he can do for us the next two
or three years.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Leave the next two before I have to, because I
really don't have to make a decision on saying on
JJ McCarthy, oh Joe, until you're year four, going into
year five. I got to make a decision so I
don't have to do a deal with him. I mean, obviously,
guys that are playing get deals done after their third
year if they're that guy. So I get that. But
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theoretically I can go in there. I could go into
year four says Okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Donald.
I think we've maxed them out. Okay, JJ, I'm gonna
give you a year to prove it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
With hey, but I'm not in decision. But I think
the thing is Ojo going to that year four. Now
I got to pick up his fiftier option. And one
thing about it too, You know what I don't like.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
You know, I think it's the perfect situation for him.
You played in Michigan, so you used to being in
that type of environment. Obviously, you come from a school
where you ran the ball, you know, a high percentage
of the time.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But your quarterback, your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You're in the NFL now, and if you can throw
the ball to Geordanadison, Hockinson and Justin Jefferson, you don't belong.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You just don't. Oh there is what you just don't belong.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because that's one of the better receiving cores in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And even if even if you can't bring yourself to
their level of play, they're so good they can hide
whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And the fact that he can play.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Going at the week six and we talk about it's
still like ankle spray. Something may write and it damn
sure hangle spring that's not it. I mean we know that,
and I'm not sure what they're trying to hide. But
whatever weaknesses that he may have as a quarterback, they
have to find a way to hide it because you
had the players around them that can hide it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
You have to play it around them can hide it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think the thing is, oh Joe, you can only
hide it for so long. It's like in easter egg
they might not find it, but somebody's gonna find them eggs.
So whatever your weakness is as a quarterback, o shoe,
we're gonna find it sooner or later, because as long
as you continue to play, we're gonna find out where
you're weak at. That's just that's just that's just that's
just how it is. And so uh, I agree with you.
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I just knew based on the NFL the number ten
pick they really like this guy that But and also
I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that
he wanted to be guaranteed as his starting job. Seattle
guaranteed him a starting job.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Okay, you talked about Donald okay okay oko.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
And so under that's those circumstance answers.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But it's hard for me to believe Ojoe, somebody gonna
pay you thirty million dollars and you don't start.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, and there are there aren't very many places that
he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where
they weren't going to guarantee me.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
They guarantee him the starting job. It wasn't anybody there.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You're gonna have to look over your shoulder and understand, Okay,
their pressures on me. If I don't play well, they're
probably gonna put this guy in you. You're in a
great You're in a great spot. I think Minnesota will
have been a great spot for him to come back.
I'm not sure what mentioned was there's a reason why
there's a reason why I'm not an owner because that's,
you know, the choice of the decision I would have made.
And now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is
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flourishingsn are having a fing ball.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, they and I think O Joe. When they moved
on from they moved on from Gino. Now you look
at the situation. They moved on from DK, they moved
on from Lockett. It seems like lock it with the Tennessee.
Now he's going to be reunited with Pete Carroll and
Gino and in Las Vegas. Uh, maybe a lot of
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people like, man, what do they have? They got Jackson
Smith and Jigbuck, they got js in and he is phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And listen what we what we can do as well?
Because he's not too far removed from winning the Triple Crown.
I love Cooper Cup. He might not be the Cooper
Cup old yeah, Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
At they can still make plays.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can still make plays.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
He can still he's still one of the butter butter
route runners, one of the better creatives there, like to
say artistry when it comes to running routes. Yes, still,
he's still one of those despite what people may think.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's just not He's not going to be used like that.
That's not Sean mcvay's system. Sean McVay. If you look
at the way Sean McVay used Cooper Cup, you look
at the way Sean McVay look used.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Poopa Nakua, Well, yeah, that's not what he is.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
They're not going to use him like that because first
he's not the number one, that's JSN.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So now the Jay saying he's going to get the
favorable he's going to get the favorable play calls. He's
going to get me the first target and so but
if you go back and look at it, o Jo,
I think Cooper Cup only had one one thousand yard
receiving season. That was the triple Crown season season.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's that's funny how that works, right, that's funny. And
I saw that before with understandable. Damn you won the
Triple Crown. And I remember going back and looking at
some of his numbers. Me and TJ who's from Zadaw,
were talking about at one point and he told me,
we'll go look at all the stats from before that,
and it's unbelievable. With the right system, with the right coach,
and putting you in the right positions, in right position
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to make certain plays, they.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Can munipulate the offense to where you can succeed no
matter what. Yeah, no matter what, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And obviously when it was time to work and wiggle
him out that system, here comes Pooping the coolup.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, he's draft players, new draft players. You need smart players.
Those guys on the bigger side, they're not your typical slot.
You look at Pooper, you look at Cooper Cup, They're
not these they're not the Julian Edelman, They're not be
a Wes Welkers, They're not the typical slot receivers. They're
on the business on the bigger size, which means they're
gonna have to be able to take more punishment because
when you catch that many balls on Joe, you gotta
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get a damn ass load of targets. Because Cooper Cup
caught one hundred and forty something balls, that means he's
one ninety two hundred targets, nineteen hundred and what nineteen
hundred and thirty yard receiving yards. He was well over
two thousand. He was probably down. He was down near
two hundred catches on the season. When you tally up
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what he did in the postseason and you look at
the yard and he was well, he was like I
think he was like twenty three twenty four hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
He is chice.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
And you look at what he did in the playoff games.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So he probably had another thirty another thirty plus catches,
So you figure attack on another thirty thirty five catches
with another forty five fifty targets. Now you see hell,
he might have had two hundred and thirty two hundred
and fifty targets, call one hundred and ninety of them.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
When I think about it like that, as dynamic, as
dynamic of a playmaker as he was, I would always
always sit back and hypothetically think, damn, I wonder what
my numbers would look like in that situation.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Being that, you know, but we're a lot of punishment.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's a lot of punishment.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Hey, I could take punishment, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I ain't got no problem going across that middle and
doing some of it, doing some of the things that
really made me uncomfortable. I can sit there and tell
you that. I mean I wasn't comfortable, you know, sitting
there running running screens.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't like that. I like to be having a
somewhat of.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, you're not gonna catch that many balls getting pushed
down the field. O yoe, they can't throw that the
ball pushing you out.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Of No, not no.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
One hundred and you know he caught one hundred and
forty something balls. So think about how many, how many
how many screens bubble screens that he actually caught. I
don't like how many, how many, how many little smoke routes? Yeah,
I don't like those.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
I'm gonna be honest with you that it gives me
a certain level of uncertainty, a certain love of uncomfortability
with me not being able to have my eyes on
what's in front of me and me having the focus
on the ball now having.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
A runner route and understanding being able to read defenses
and knowing where everybody's going to be and with their job,
and knowing when I can get out.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Of breaks, I can protect myself.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I know what's coming, I know where you're coming from,
I know where the pursuits coming from.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But having to turn.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm
a damn pump return.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
That makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah it is, Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Through the first eight weeks of the season, the coach
and Daniel Jones have been the biggest surprise. When Andy
signed Jones this offseason, he was widely viewed as another
option behind twenty twenty three number four pick Anthony Richardson,
but Jonathan Taylor realized the job with Jones after the
first practice when he first got in the training Campany
called check has been the playbook. But if you've been
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here one of those checks, that's like oh yeah, we
call that sometimes. The fact that he called it is like,
did this guy have the playbook six months ago?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's what I understood.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh okay, his level of preparation is different for him
to come in day one, day two and make that call,
make that check.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
He's been studying.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's day one of install and he's already that far ahead.
I'm like, this guy is legit. Yes, sir, I don't
know how I'm gonna ask you. I know how I
took that. I know how I took that. He didn't
say it. He he from praised, but that was a
(33:34):
I think that was a shot at they are go ahead,
but you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I think players don't intend to take shots at other
individuals that play the same position when praising another I
think just praising the fact that Daniel Jones was so
well informed with the offense to have already been there,
to know the way, to know what the ends and
outs and the nuance of it after just getting there.
(34:02):
It's like, well, god, Lee, but you also have to
understand what je Dame Jones is fighting for it.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
He's fighting for.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
A job, an opportunity to start after leaving somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It just didn't work, and maybe this could have been
a good thing for Anthony richards in the seat. Okay, No,
I have a better understanding of what I need to do,
the way to conduct myself, not only as a pro,
but as quarterback number one. Well, uh was quarterback number
one of a team. This is the stuff I needed
to do make sure I succeeded, not just in the classroom,
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not just in practice, but the results of doing so
and putting the work.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
In is going to show up on Sundays where it
mattered most.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I don't think Jonathan Taylor was intentionally trying to take
a swipe at Anthony Richardson. He was heaping praise, but
in the process of heaping praise, people gonna look like
with damn, yeah, he just got there a month ago,
and you got a court the back that's been there
for two years and he never did anything like this,
and he had the playbook. So that's the thing. No
(35:07):
o yo, No, was he out there trying to say, well, hey,
we've heard a story. He was the first the league first,
he was the last day in the first out. They
minsed it for a reason. But that's what I mean.
The quarterback the preparation has to be so intense and
if you and a lot of times that's why they
(35:28):
go ahead and get mad because they like, I can't
be out there.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I need to be home.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I need to be in front of this projector and
I need to was an iPad now oyo, and I
need to be going through and I need my mind
focused on how not home? And so they're going over
and over and over and over. I told you from
day one, and once I saw what he was getting paid,
I said, we're gonna be starting.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It ain't gonna be started.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I'm not even sure when I saw that too.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Obviously, it's just having common sense and understanding the game,
understanding the business at that though.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yep, what I didn't understand. If you got a project, okay,
somebody say you got a project car, or you got
a project home. Oh Joe, you don't try to drive
the car. You say you gotta fix something. You got
a project, it's gonna take work. It's gonna take you
six months, it's gonna take you a year to get
it operational. You got a project home, You're like, oh man,
(36:22):
I got this home. I brought this home, but I'm
gonna fix it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Up. You don't try to live in it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You said this guy was a project, he had immense talent,
and he does and you started.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
What changed, babe?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Just just go back and look at his tape from
high school, look at his tape from college, and you
tell me this man should have been a starter from
day one. No, oh, Joe, No, you did him. You
did him a huge disservice. Can he go somewhere else
(36:58):
it's gonna take. I mean, he's got something he needs
to go get with someone to understand mechanics of throwing everything.
You can't be throwing the football like you're trying to
throw it through a hurricane, because nothing has touched.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Everything is one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Shallow cross is throwing it like he's throwing a far
across or deep over.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
No, bro, And look, give Daniel Jones credit.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
He's came, he's come in and like you said, the
situation didn't work out. And in New York he had
to sit the bench, and in Minnesota, but he got
an opportunity. And he says, if I get another opportunity, take.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Advantage of it, because I'm not letting I can get
too many not to be started now be a starter,
not to say, Okay, this is my team, I have
nothing to worry about.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
You don't get too many of them chances, especially coming.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
From New York.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Shoot, if you can't it done in New York, you know,
which is obviously what I would consider. I mean the
big one of the biggest markets, maybe the biggest market.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Can deal with that meeting.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
You could deal with anything you it is.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's just like you know, Trey Lance he was a project.
He played.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I just I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Where is Trey Lance at as a backup?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Is he in Dallas?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Still a Houston? Because I know he wasn't. Oh no,
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
He's on the Chargers, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
He played basically he played all the preseason the Chargers.
Carl Banks, who's the radio analyst for the Giants, was
extremely critical this week of Dexter Lawrence on his podcast
with Bob Popper Pop Dexter Lawrence, nobody respects you anymore, nobody,
Banks said, before going on going in on to say
(38:54):
Lawrence wasn't playing at the same level as previous seasons.
Lawrence strongly disagreed with Banks, or saying sith sciting at
the rate in which he gets double team, those are
strong words. That's how you feel, ef it, he's delusional.
Lawrence is getting double team a league high seventy five
percent of the past rate, seventy five percent of the
rate on his past rush opportunities. Yeah, I know Banks.
(39:20):
I played against Banks. Obviously he's older than me, but
I played against Banks. I think he was still at
the Giants. I know I played against him when he
was at Cleveland because when Coach Belichick went in Cleveland,
he took Banks with it. Banks was originally one of
the Giants him. It was him, PEP, Harry Carson, and LT.
(39:40):
So that's why I know him for him, So I know,
I know, I know, I know Banks. Yeah, what do
you what do you? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Oh Joe?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
When when analysts come out played the game, he played
the game at a high level. I think one year
Banks was the first team All Pro. As a matter
of fact, I think he beat an LT LT that
year he was the first team All Pro?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Uh what what? What?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
What what do you say when guys are critical? I mean,
you know, he just this is his opinion that he
doesn't believe that that that Dexter is is playing at
the level in what you've played in years past, and
playing got a level in which he got the big
contract that the Giants given him, which you earned.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I mean, honestly, you got three defensive defensive tackles in
the NFL that are considered the best right now. Chris
Jones is one of them. Yeah, Jeffer Jeffers is another,
and that third is in no particular order. In the
third is Dexter Lawrence. Now, I'm sure when mister Banks
(40:43):
is watching when it comes to football, especially the New
York Giants, I'm sure he probably watches all the Giants game,
being that he had.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah he's Aeless, Yeah, yeah, he and Bob Paper, yes,
and that he.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Has a podcast that he's doing with Big Paper. But
you can see and understand that they scheme ways to
stop Exter Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Everybody down, it's.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Gonna be a double team. Second down, it's gonna be
a double team. So you understand how difficult it is
for him to have the efficiency that Carl Banks is
looking for, saying that nobody's scared of you anymore.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
If they weren't scared of him anymore, they wouldn't be
double team no one.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Let me ask your question, how many times you think
AD got double? Now?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Were talking about two different dogs. We talked about two
totally different dogs.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
You and I both know when you become that guy,
you can't give excuses.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
You can't say, hey, man, get up about your man
double me. We pay you to be.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
You've been in the trenches, right, Yeah, you know what
it's like dying and now I'm not.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
I know I play around a lot. I don't hate.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I don't be dying.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
There, but I know what I'm strong. Joke you could do, and.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I know what it's like and have your That's about
the way that and having.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
To take on two of that every time, no matter
how strong you are, you mean, I gotta get I
gotta deal with two of me.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
What we do, what we do, Ojoe, is that we
don't do it every time, but we do it enough
that when we don't do it, you're anticipating it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So you hesitating. That's all I need. He who hesitated beat,
So that's all I need to do.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I'm gonna double your ass enough that now when I
don't double, you're anticipating the double to come. What did
they what do they do? To receivers that used to
get in the ball. What I'm gonna do is double
you early on. I'm gonna get you frustrated. I ain't
gonna w the whole game. I just want to do
it just the first quarter. Get you frustrated. Then I
got you.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
So I look, I get it. You look.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I think when you when you're losing. Okay, what's going on?
Why aren't we winning? Because I think you look at
got Law. They got Bibberdeau, they got Carter, they got
Brian Burns. Ain't no reason you give up thirty three
points in the fourth quarter. I don't give it that.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
What you say, squad? They got a nice squad of names.
They got a nice squad of names.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Man, Brian, Brian, Uh, what's the what's his name? Brian
Burns been to the Pro Bowl? That's the lards?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Was it all?
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Pro?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Tib fibberd? They got. They got guys that can.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Now the back end leaves a lot to be desired, okay,
because they don't get there. It's gonna be a completion. Absolutely,
he said, it's been double But it's hard o you.
I mean, people like people talking and the thing is
banks knows football.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Banks study is the game. He's a student of the game.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Anybody, No, no, no, no, it's it's not it's absolutely not.
All I can tell tell law Dex, Hey, just keep plugging, bro,
just keep plugging away.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
That's all you do.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
That's all you can do.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
But that god damn double team, boy, that's just what
the thing, hell boy.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I mean, you got to realize they got six hundred
pounds rooting your ass up out of there. You know,
he's you know, he under his shade nose. Hey, bro,
you got the center and the guard. Oh, they don't
get your ass up out of there.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And it's so funny speaking of that, and watching Aaron
Donald and some of the clips with him, and he
get off so fast and make it make yourself skinny.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
To where he's.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Dealing with one man out of the double team and
that that that's that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And every blue moon you'll see him he'll.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Grabbed one in the middle of the chest in one
hand and had the other way in the middle of
the chest with the other hand, and he and he
looking he controlling everything.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I'm like, how the hell is he doing all that?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
A lot of times you have to You have to
able to feel the double team. You see how the
guy how how if he's trying to reach me, they're
trying to scoop me, or they see they're trying to call.
You know, they're trying to power, they're trying to combo
block me. But that's instinct. That's years and years of
playing that double team and understand it because you know,
like you said, hey, you gotta make him pile, but
(45:21):
he was so good at playing on the edge, so
he's not. And the same thing I tell tight ends, bro,
don't let that man square you up. You give him
a side. You give him a side, don't let him
put don't let him put his hands in your breastplate.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You're not going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
And don't let him be strong. You definitely moved.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, you better be able to war. And that's what
that's what the good detacles.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Look out. Look at Aaron donnad rush. You see he doing.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
He's doing like a wide receiver, tight End, he's up
there doing this. I trying to get skinny, trying to
trying to run the rim. What we they used to
have a circle of the guys running around it and
see how low they could get and get around there.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's frustrated when you lose, or tell you know that.
And when you lose. Okay, who makes the most money?
God God making say fifty thousand dollars? Why are we
talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Him to that?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, and listen and almost and the funny thing about
it is a lot of people will see this is
Hayden obviously when it comes to probably the best player
on the defense.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, he is next through Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
And to come out and say something like that, well,
people know, people aren't scaredy anymore when obviously you're statistically
based on the numbers that you just said that anyone
that's being blocked and the other team seventy percent of
the time or more.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
I mean, there's your answer.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
There's oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
The Eagles are reportedly interested in a potential blockbuster trade
involving star pass rusher Miles Garrett. According to y'all Who's
Sports Charles Robinson, I've heard it from a couple of
other super high ranking people and other teams that are
clearly on the phones that Howie Roseman and the Eagles
are super hot at the Miles Garrett, that Hoy Roseman
(47:17):
will give up like three first round picks.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
And a player.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, you know what, I think they'd probably be
willing to give up three first round picks and probably
Jordan Davis or one of those superstar you know, one
of those young players. I don't think they'd be willing
to give up Carter, but I think they'd be willing
to give up Davis.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
But it's gonna take three first rounds and.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
It's damn well is damn well worth it?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
One thing about Howie Rosevehan, if you watch the way
he maneuver him, the way he conducts business when it
comes to getting players and building a team, building a roster,
you know. And obviously right now the main thing is
the main thing with the Philadelphia Eagles, despite what everybody's
talking about, they trying to go back and repeat on
absolute back and repeat, and goddamn, Howie rosemanth is pushing
(48:03):
all his chips in.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
On the table.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
I know what I need, I know what piece can
help us, and that's going to get Yeah, goddamn, what happened?
What happened if with that trade through her three first
round picks and a player, what if they want a
J Brown in exchange?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Hey, they won't you can have him?
Speaker 4 (48:21):
What what?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Because the way I look at it, Oho, if I
get him and I'm and I'm the Philadelphia Eagles that
I believe I could be. Where are we gonna be
picking the bottom half? You're gonna get somewhere between twenty
eight and thirty two. We're not gonna be in the
top ten. So it's not gonna hunters. It's not gonna
hurt us. See now you mess around and you picking
(48:45):
in the top ten. All uh Chicago, who's that?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Clear?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Uh? Carolina? Remember Carolina one of the first pick.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And the next year boom that that that pick that
you gave up is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, And I honestly mean, just thinking about it, the
only thing that makes sense. Okay, you're giving us three
first round picks, and we need something of equal value
if we're letting if we're letting up.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I wouldn't give up both though, O Joe, I
would give up three first round picks. You don't you
don't get a J and Cardinal with AJ and right
you can get you can get a J. You know what,
I might be willing to give up Carter and keep
Jordan Davis.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
No, No, absolutely not, I would no, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I'm going the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
And obviously it might not be anybody defensively with with
all the smoke, with all the talking, you know, they
might let sticks go because I think that's the value
who Davante, I say, sis, I mean that be Leven?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
But I think o Jo Carter hadn't been the same player,
and the injuries he then wasn't in shape like he
was supposed to see Teams factored that in Oh Jo
your Kids twenty four. So if he's not in shape
(50:14):
at twenty four, what makes me think he's gonna be
in shape at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. Cause
and now, Ojo, I got to give a big car.
I gotta put a big contract on the table. Now
he's gonna want thirty thirty two, thirty three, thirty four million?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Am I willing?
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Is that someone I can trust to invest that kind
of money in? I already know what I'm gonna be
at Miles Garrett. I'm cool with that. I already know
Miles Garret's gonna play like he's broke and he's one
of the highest played defensive players in football. So I'm
I'm not ever worried about him being in shape. Now
I got to worry about him speeding a little bit. Hey,
they amn miles slowed down. Damn bro. But uh hey,
(50:49):
I'm sure they've had they I think Andrew Barry has
had a conversation with him. I think he's got like
six speeding tickets, a couple of them excess of one
hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
That's something that he needs to work on.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But I don't have to worry about him when it
comes to being in condition and being him playing hard.
I don't have to light a fire up under oh
Joe if I pay you that kind of money, Oh Joe,
I don't need to give you no pep talk.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I don't need to say, come on, son, we need
it today. Written what.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I need you to say? Hey, Son, I don't need
you can't practice today because I don't want you to
hurt nobody. That's That's that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Look I all we can go by is O Joe.
By body language. What's being said.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Something is going on that AJ doesn't seem happy, he
doesn't feel like he's getting the targets that because he's
Oh Joe, he's looking at a what up in Cincinnati?
That man got forty two targets. I haven't got forty
two targets all year. This man got forty two targets
in two games.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Different.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
He's looking at Pookah, he's looking at Jedda, he's looking
at all the these guys that he said, I'm a
number one, and I see number one. They get their targets,
they get seven, eight, ten targets a game. I get
three or four, and I'm supposed to be okay with that.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, you're supposed to be okay with that when you're
win it. And that's that's what everybody says. But you
got to be careful what you wish for because you
gotta think.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
But you got to tell people think about the situation.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
Trade deadline is what the fourth.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
November fourth, So Tuesday, Tuesday at four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
You gotta be careful what you wish for because you're
coming from a perfect situation. And what happens if you
end up in Cleveland because there's inconsistent play at the
quarterback position. Yeah, I think if you put a a J.
Brown in that system, now, I think they will put
you in position to be able to get for that.
(52:51):
You got damn catches game.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
But who can get it to it? Man? You trusted,
you trusted? No no, no, no, no no. It takes
a It takes.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's a veteran quarterback to target somebody twenty three times
and the guy called, what did he catch? Like sixteen
of them? He got targeted? What six nineteen times? He
caught twelve of them? Everybody, everybody doesn't know how to
do that. But the things that I love most about
(53:21):
the Eagles, and I love this about the Lions also,
is that not only are they developing players, they're not
afraid to go get somebody they feel that can really
help them get to that. You see you look at
and uh where it's uh oh, we're gonna talk about
(53:41):
it a little like I'll touch on it right now.
You look at the joint. They say, man, we need
to look Matthew Stafford, he wants to go block. Okay,
we'll make a trade that k Rams give us two
first rounders and Jered Goff. Now they gonna get Pi,
they sul, they get your mere Gibbs. Now they get
j j Mo, they get Am and Rock Saint Brown,
they get a Hutchinson and guess what they've done, O Joe.
(54:04):
We drafted them, we developed them, we paid them. Look
at the money that they paid all these guys. You
see four years to twelve four years, one, eighty four years, one,
twenty four years, won, twelve four years, ninety three. You see,
you see a real current thing. Now, guys know, now,
if I come here and I work my butt off,
I'm gonna get paid. Ain't no dealy dalling around, ain't
(54:27):
playing no mind games. And the buck stops with me
on my desk, and don't nobody get this and that
ain't about no egos, Brad.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Kudos to Brad Holmes, the general manager.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
And also kudos to him for drafting too, for drafting well,
because Brad Holmes, that's ent draft players and hope they
pan out, and they actually don't pan out. But it's
like everyone they drafted today, it always just seems to
pan out, which is why they've been able to pay
players and develop them and.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
They get the money that they get.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Because Kirby Joe drafted really well.
Speaker 6 (54:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Uh you know they I mean, they've done They've done
a great job. You look at that D line.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
You look at those linebackers Campbell and you look at uh,
what's the big D lineman that just came back. They've
done a great job of identifying a player that fits
their system. You know, Coach Cabelichick used to take a
lot of criticism for guys like who is this guy?
But Coach Belichick knew what he was looking for. He's
looking for two guys defensive linemen. You not gonna get
no sacks. Remember Chris Long left, He said, yeah, it's
(55:26):
fun to win, but I want to be a player.
I just don't want to hold up so the linebackers
can make plays. My job is a defensive as an
edge rusher. Excuse me, Chad, I want to hunt the quarterback.
I don't want to just sit on the porch and
bart let me hunt. And so you identify the player
that's gonna fit the system, a player that personality wise
(55:50):
will fit your system, because it doesn't do any good
if the guy fits the system but he's a jackass.
You have to identify that. You identify that that you
do your homework. Now you're gonna miss some because sometimes
guys can fool
Speaker 2 (56:03):
You, absolutely, But I just love what they do. M.
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