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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve Fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the Truth lives here. Packed twelve Apostles.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
final Pack twelve Apostles podcast. We will be changing over
to the College Football Apostles very soon, but we wanted
to hit you Pack twelve fans with you know, some
great stuff and you know, always subscribe, always tell a
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friend about it, and make sure that you share the show.
And of course go over to the YouTube channel at
Unafraid show. New episodes dropping all over there, and I
think you're gonna like it. Latest episode interview with Dan Lanning.
We also got Reggie Bush on over there. What's the
name Josh Pate. Yeah, So we're yeah, man plugging along
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around it around this joint. But Ralph, we get we
gotta check our reviews as always, and we also have
to and on this episode we're going to talk about
since this is the end of the PAC twelve, we're
gonna discuss every single team and where they've been and
where they're going. Of course, we know what conferences are
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going to already but just a matter of, you know,
the the outlook for the future for this team, Rod,
Are you.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Said it's our Are you said that it's our last
episode in this format?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No? No, because because we're not going anywhere. We're not
going anywhere, but it is going to be interesting to
try to feel the need of our listeners while also
growing the show when the conference is going to three
different conferences and then one kind of whole.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
True. True, we did we we We finished the PAC
twelve Apostles era finished on a five star review. I
don't know if you're actually gonna like the five star
review that it finished on, but it's from Daniel in Seattle.
Title is great podcast and the review is great podcast.
Good to see the guys get humbled, go dogs forget
Packed twelve champs. I think this review was left before
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the college football playoff, so I think it was Daniel
was riding the moment of the Pack twelve championship in Vegas,
which I was out there with you for.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He should have been riding it. He philing, philing, real
good man. But uh hey, maybe Kaylin de Boor and
the Washington Huskies can win a championship next year.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Come on, man, too soon, I think so. I think
it's I think they're gonna be sore for a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, or maybe or maybe starts getting some Yeah. Hey,
if Jet gets a few more recruiting wins, Arizona comes
back as the number eleven team in the country. He's
got Noah Fafieda, He's got Team Mac, He's got a
running back coming back. Dude, Arizona is gonna be great
with Jeff fish Net next year. Bro, they got a
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chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I feel like the some just your your salt based
sprinkling salt and wounds right now, pinky up, just dropping
the salt.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And you know what is funny, though, is before we
get into the teams, I wanted to talk about for
a second this narrative about how coaches get jobs, because
we've seen so many fan bases talk about, oh, well,
that guy wasn't even offered the job. But if you notice,
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every single school for the history of time has said
we off the only person that we offered is the
guy that took the job. They consistently say that, But
the reality is what they do is they the administration
or the search firms. They contact either the coach or
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their representative and they ask are you interested at this job? No, okay,
how about at this number? Ooh maybe? Or they say nah, bro,
I'm good. And then if that's the case, no you
don't get an offer. But that does not mean that
you were not at the top of the list. It
just means that you decided to not make yourself available.
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And they'll say, well, that guy didn't even get an offer. See,
that's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, rhetorical technicalities are are how these mega corporations that
we call, you know, collegiate athletic nonprofits get away with
It's not it's not the truth. They know it's not
the truth. You start out if you don't hire a
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search firm, you start out with like a list of
five six names. You gauge interest with their agent, and
you see what's feasible and you see what's possible. Now
like the the you know, it would be like saying, like,
you know, you bought the engagement ring. You were going
to ask your girl to marry you, but you saw
some text on her phone the day before that tipped
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you off that she's not the one.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, and then and then everybody's like, yeah, but
he never asked her to marry him. Man he wrought
the ring pocket, Yeah, had to ring in his pocket.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I hate
that there was this like crazy late carousel, but you know,
it is what it is Danny Canell put out there.
You know that we're seeing all these legends drop out
of college football because of like how rapidly the game
has changed. And I think maybe there's some truth to that,
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but the idea that that there's not going to be
a million people falling all over themselves to be a
college head coach every single time one of these legends
steps down or steps aside is what Danny Canell is
leaving out here. Also, the the you know, age of
retirement in this country is supposed to be what somewhere
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between sixty five sixty eight years old. You got Nick
Saban out here at seventy two years old stepping down because.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It was somebody in the in the Republican primary that
that that that just was asked if people should start
thinking about working longer, and she was like, yeah, it
should be more considered, uh commensurate with the with with
the life.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, Nikki Haley. Yeah, But like all all the while
we're talking about that, while the like the two presidential
candidates are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
One hundred years old, Yeah, closer.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
To one hundred than they are to fifty five. So,
but like this idea that like Nick Saban stepped away
because college football got too hard. No, Nick Saban stepped
away because thirteen wins, like twelve wins is still easy
for him, but thirteen wins like the energy it takes
to get that thirteenth, fourteenth win.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, he don't don't want to do it no more.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He Yeah, it's not worth it for him to have
a twelve win season. No, which that sentence out loud
is pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, the idea that twelve wins is is not enough
because he's He's like, bro, I'm not doing this for
to just get a couple of wins, Like I'm doing
this to win a championship. Like that's it. Like there's
no in between. It's either championship or we're not doing this.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, and get ready for Alabama to realize that, Like,
yes you're Alabama, Yes you had Bear Bryant, yes you
had Nick Saban, but like you really you really are
only as good as having the greatest of all time
because it's going it is you are going to come
back down to earth.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh my god, dude, they're fans. The most delusional thing
that I've seen their fans tweet is when Caleb Downs
went to Ohio State and they tweeted, oh my god,
the rich just get richer. I was like, wait, wait,
what what Like they don't even like it's just funny
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because they have no idea. Like if you're a and
I saw Josh Pate talk about it too. He said,
if you are a an Alabama fan around the age
of thirty or under thirty, you are a trust fund.
Like you are a college football trust fund. Baby.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh for sure. Yeah. You you have your elders talking
about eight win seasons and you're like eight wins in conference. Hey.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And the funny part about that is is, honestly, that's
how newer Oregon fans are. Like people who came in
around the time that I went to Oregon in ninety nine,
Like that's when the uniforms changed. That's a two separate
eras of Oregon football. And the people who were fans
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after starting with me and on, they're like, bro, I
don't we don't do this like non playoff ten like
New Year's six Bowl. Okay, we've been to like ten
of them in the last twenty years. How about not
a big deal championship or bus fire a coach, It
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doesn't matter. Like they've gotten on that bucket where the
older Oregon fans said.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I remember the toilet bowls zero zero versus Oregon State.
You guys don't understand these good times. I mean, And
that's part of the reason why Joey Harrington won it
cal coach Justin Wilcox, because after Crystal Ball and Taggart left,
he was like, I want somebody who loves the program.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And I talked to Rob Mullins about that because I
was on that letter and everything, but I had a
different view of how the letter was supposed to be
and how it was going to be presented and received.
But the whole idea to me was find somebody who
loves Oregon yeah and won't and will reach back to
and understand how much the past made this happen and
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how special of a place it is. Right And it
appears that Dan Lanning is that guy that because he
didn't have a dream school. He was a North Kansas
city like a small town kid outside of North Kansas City,
five thousand people, and you're just like, oh, he doesn't
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have Oh he is at his dream school because this
because his dream was just to be that guy.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And yeah, and I think he very much values and
he said it to you on the last episode of
the Unafraid Show. He said he valued you know, there's
a lot of value in the fact that they took
a chance on him, which you know, you can interpret
that however you want. If you're if you're a Washington
fan and you brought in Jetfish, because that's that's kind
of what Arizona did for Jetfish. But you also have
to understand there's a generational difference between Dan Lanning and Jetfish.
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Dan Lanning wasn't an assistant in twelve different locations over
a twenty year period trying to trying to break through
to realize his dream. And so the fact that Jedfish
stepping stone to Arizona, I don't think is a surprise
to anyone. We've been talking about that possibility for a
long time, just based on the general there are coaches
out here who toiled his assistance for such a long
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time that there that their window to maximize their value
and what they've done. You're Jane Orvel's right, leaving Nevada
for Colorado State even though it was a worse school,
but there was more money involved. He's got a limited
amount of time to get paid and he believes in
himself and his ability. Tim Beck wasn't. Tim Beck was
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at Coastal Carolina this year after twenty years as as
an assistant. Would it be surprising to me that if
he has a twelve you win year at Coastal next year,
if you don't see him at a power five, that's
probably what's going to happen, you know. And Jetfish did
the same thing, Dan Lanning, you know, he he he
was what with a defensive coordinator at the highest level
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for a year. Yes, And just because you've had some
success at Oregon doesn't mean you that. I mean, maybe
you can personally forget it if you if you're a
little bit uh, you know, self aggrandizing, a little bit delusional.
But like that, he knows, he knows that it was
a risk. And even in George, I remember when I
called you and you said, you know, Chrystal Ball's leaving,
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and I remember in that moment, I was like, you
guys should go after Dan Lanning. Yeah, and you're like
you weren't like who because.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
You knew you know, Yeah, I knew who he was.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, but you you were like, are we see like
we're Oregon. That's a that's like an early thirties. Yes,
you're a defensive coordinator. And I was like, I'm telling you,
this man is built a little bit different than than
your typical person, like he will do whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, And then I remember I called Cortez Hankton, who
I played with in Jacksonville, who was on the staff
with him at Georgia, and yeah, yeah, he's now the
co offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
At l s U.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And the wide wide receiver coach, highest paid wide receiver
coach in the country, making over a million coaching white
House's hey, that ain't a bad. That ain't a bad.
We know why you wait on your head coaching job opportunity, brother,
that's not that, ain't you know? It's hard to be
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hard to be miserable when you're keeping things in perspective like, yeah,
I want that job. I want that opportunity, bro. But
I can't complain, bro, like I'm not an assistant making
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You know, able to
save fifteen to twenty thousand dollars a year. No, bro,
I can save a couple hundred a year.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, shout out, you know what, Shout out to LSU.
We're not college football apostles yet, but I want to
throw this out there. Shout out to LSU because we've
seen Texas, A and M do a lot over the
last few years. That makes it kind of feel like
some of that money's funny money, not LSU, not LSU,
not at all. Kayshawn Bouti is out here losing eighty
thousand dollars gambling because he just had it on hand.
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You got Hayley van Litz switching schools. You got Jayden
Daniel switching schools. You got Mulki, one of the highest
paid you know that what's his name? Before the NCAA
came calling Will Wade, he had some cash to throw
around and Brian Kelly to lure him from Notre Dame.
You know, he was getting paid at Notre Dame. Like, so,
shout out to LSU for actually like having cash on hand,
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being good for it. I respect that, Yeah, I do
for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
All right, let's get into nice. I stalled long enough.
I'm depressed about it. But let's get into our final
episode of the PAC twelve Apostles.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Now, if you've been listening to this podcast for a
very long time, you know the controversy about alphabetical order.
So we're gonna go in alphabetical order, see if we
can make this day work. So we'll start with the
University of Arizona. Arizona has a new coach, Brent Brennan
from San Jose State.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, and I love him.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. And when people start talking about records, they started
talking about, you know, whether guy's good or not. And
I don't think that that's the best way to do it.
The thing that they don't consider, though, is how hard
it is to win it San Jose State because they're
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playing good a good conference, I mean a good non
conference record, because they're getting by games for a money
so a lot of those are going to be losses.
But when you watched him play USC this last year,
that was not bad in any way, shape, form or fashion.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, I think it. I don't know. It was weird
because I like argued with the University of Arizona, been
arguing the University of Arizona fans all week. That's another story.
But I was arguing with the University of Arizona fan
yesterday because he was mad that they hired Dan Gonzalez
to be the linebackers coach, and he was pointing to
his one loss record at University of New Mexico's head coach.
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First of all, as a defensive coordinator, he was lights
out at San Diego State, and he gave Arizona State
its most competitive defense in like eight nine years, and
had Arizona State fans wishing that he would succeed herm Edwards.
And so the idea that he went home to try to,
you know, resurrect the college he went to at New Mexico,
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which is a very tough job. I don't think is
indicative of how he's going to do two steps down
at University of Arizona. What you have to look at
are somebody's habits. If you put somebody in a different
situation with the habits that they have and the tendencies
that they have, how will that work out? And the
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thing that University of Arizona needs most to me right
now is a steady hand, somebody who wants to be
there and someone who is a good talent evaluator. And
the one thing that I've loved about San Jose State,
whether it was when Mike McIntyre was there with Brent
Brennan on his staff or now with Brent Brannan leading
San Jose State is almost always they're the first school
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to reach out to California kids.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, because you like at Arizona it's a unique situation,
right because their donor base that they pull from is
not the same as other schools. And it's funny because
USC talks about this too, even though that they should
have way more money. I mean, every school has billionaires
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and hundreds of millionaires. It's just a matter of do
you engage them, do they care about the thing that
you care about? And I just it doesn't. Now Arizona
does have donors and boosters, but it's going to look
a little bit different than it does at other schools.
And I think that Arizona's in a very unique place
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because they are that school. Them in Arizona State have
sleeping giant potential, you know what I mean. But you
have to have the finances and the resources to support
that to get you and the success initially to get
you over the hump, Like, if you can put together
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some really good years and now provide some good nil
opportunities to retain some of your players, that's going to
give you an opportunity to be successful. So how would
you rate or you know, Arizona's Pack twelve run and
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where they're at right now going and how their position
going forward?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
They you know they so they never they never won
the conference, obviously, they you know they they finished Pack twelve,
having been part of the Packed ten since nineteen seventy eight,
never went to the Rose Bowl, and in Pac twelve play.
You know, they had two double digit win seasons. Other
teams definitely had it worse than them, but they were
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never able to really maintain momentum. You know, they had
what they had a minute of Mike Stoops and Tim
Kish before the Rich Rod era, the Kevin Sumlin disaster
and Jetfish building this team back up. So I would
give their overall Pack twelve grade, maybe like a C minus. George.
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Let's do best year, worst year? They obviously went ten
and three this year won the Alamo Bowl. The only
other season that's probably comparable to that is twenty fourteen
with rich Rod losing in the Fiesta Bowl and going
seven and two. They went seven and two in conference
this year. They went seven and two in conference that year.
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But the strength of schedule in twenty fourteen was I
think like maybe three times more than it was this year,
so maybe it was a tougher road. What would you
go best year for University of Arizona in the Pac
twelve era.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh, it's got to be this year. This year has
to be the best. Now, they did have some good
times with rich Rod, but this Alamo bowle win over
Oklahoma and just the amount of NFL talent that's on
the roster, I think that things are very very high
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now that twenty ten team. I said, twenty fourteen team
did get as high as number eight in the AP
pole and as high and their College Football Playoff final
was number ten and this one was fourteen. But it's
it's clear that this season I think is going to
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have a bigger impact on their future, where like their
worst season. Oh god, it is easy. It's twenty twenty,
the year that Kevin Sumlin got fired and mainly because
of that three hundred to seven win by Arizona State.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Oh my god, dude, yep, yep, you know, you know
it's bad when a Chinese streaming service picks up the
game to replay it because Jackson he scored the tenth
touchdown of the game. That was like the fact that
people in China know how bad twenty twenty was for
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Arizona means that, yeah, that was another level best player.
I'm down to two. I'm down to two. Even though
if there was maybe one more year of T Mac,
I might I might be willing to entertain him as
the best player of the PAC twelve era. Who is
your best player of the PAC twelve era four University
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of Arizona.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Probably, Okay, So I don't want to have recency bias,
right right, so and say T Mac. But it's hard
not to say T Mac. But I'm gonna go with
Kadem Carry.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's I mean that, That's really how I feel is
Kadem Carrey's probably because I'm not factor in NFL at all,
just pure college football. However, if it's not Kadem Carry,
I would be willing to throw Scooby right out there.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Scars Scoob two star.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Scoob his twenty fourteen hundred solo tackles, sixty four assists,
thirty one tackles for a loss and fifteen sacks with
five forced fumbles.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I believe they had a hell of a year.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
That dude to something else for sure. Yeah yeah, How
do you feel like they are positioned moving forward? Especially
being part of the Big twelve?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So being that they were able to retain the majority
of their roster, even though they lost some key key
pieces like the running back if he's his Price Sock
and a couple other kids.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I think Price Sock might come back. I think he
is coming back.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh oh, I saw I saw him post that that jersey,
but then people were concerned that he was just trolling people.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So that Kean Burnette, t Maac Fafieda, Raymond Palito was
the big one for me because that of.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, so I did lose the recruits.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Though, like the demand williams is and guys like that
to go to Washington.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So I think in the short term they are positioned
really really well. Like for this upcoming season, they are
position Big twelve favorite. Uh No, I think Utah is
going to be the Big twelve favorite, but Arizona so
it would be one A one b okay And yeah,
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so I didn't think they're in good shape.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
They feel like a Big twelve city to me. I
know they got like a million people, but but like
they they are all about that college, all about it,
and they're very passionate, sometimes angry fans that I've been
dealing with this week. I apologize for offending your your king,
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who I understand how much you value him, and I
apologize for encroaching on that man's University of Arizona kingdom,
your personal Napoleon, your five foot six hero. You don't
care that he has one bacon necked T shirt and
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spends all day, every day getting in fights with everyone
on earth. He is still your king, and I respect
his sovereignty over your town. So shout out to University
of Arizona fans. Maybe calm down. Brent Brandon's a great coach,
Dino Babers is probably gonna be cool. Danianzalez is a
hell of an ad. I think you're building a great staff,
and I think you have a good shot to win
the Big twelve. So maybe just calm down.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Huh yeah, I'm down. Now on to the next school,
because after two years of turmoil, the I guess, on
one hand, it's good that Arizona State is not being
talked about very much because that means that the chaos
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is calming down, but it's also not good to be
talked about. So you're you're running a double edged sword.
And I think that Arizona State is a team that
has to be building in silence right now. They got
to figure out their quarterback situation. Who's who's going to
be their guy? They brought into Who's that kid from
Michigan State Kim Yep, yep?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
They they they their quarterback competition probably going to be Rashada.
It's gonna be the kid from Michigan State who is
from like Westland, Oregon, right, m hm, and then and
then Borge is still in the mix. It's gonna be
They just need a functioning quarterback. And I think everything
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else they've done with this roster will be fine. Uh,
there's gonna be a dip at a tight end obviously
with Texas Tech, but I think for the most part,
the talent that they've collected, I think they have every
ability to maybe be a functional team moving forward. And
that's really all you want is like if you buy
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a DVD player, all you really care about is if
it plays DVDs, right, Like Arizona State for a minute,
was like a football team that couldn't football, and they
like it wasn't even they weren't even bad. They just
couldn't football, Like they couldn't the idea that they couldn't
even put enough lineman out to kick a field goal
to beat Washington, Like that's a broken product. So but
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coaching will like.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Women's basketball during during this season, ye had to miss
two They had to miss two basketball games because they
didn't have enough players, like they were a ranked team.
Like they were a ranked team and then lost and
then had to like forfeit games.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Or they asked their student population, hey, if you could ball,
you might coming down to the gym today. Yeah we
might need you.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah. They they had to pick up They picked up
three or four players as walk ons on the roster,
and ironically they actually had some state champions and all
of this stuff just just just walking around campus.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Now, people forget, man, people forget there's a lot of
people who are really good high school athletes that don't
pursue it at the collegiate level. But yeah, I don't know,
Arizona State was not a functioning football team. I think
they'll probably have the personnel to make that work. This year,
we are twenty one months or something cartoonish like that
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into this NCAA investigation and waiting on and oh wait, no, no, no, no,
that's not right because it started one correct. Yeah, so
that's seven months and then you have two years. That's
thirty one month. So we're thirty three months into waiting
for a notice of allegations to drop. So once that happens,
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I think the Arizona State will have the ability to
kind of move.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
On for this it's time to just stop and see
double eight like like it's like it's like if you
get in trouble and your parents are out of town
and they're not back for you know. There you you
have those absentee parents who who are gone for those
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absentee rich parents who were in the midst of their
two month summer vac vacation, and you get in trouble
and then you and then they get back and they
find out what happened and they're like, we're gonna punish you.
You're like, bro, that was like months ago. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Or even your mouth off to your mom at breakfast
and she's like, I'm telling your father when he gets home.
But he doesn't get home till nine at night, So
you got fourteen hours to sit and think about how
you're gonna get your ass whooped. That fourteen hours is
the punishment. Yes, that's the punishment, right, Like I think
I think ASU has done. It's fourteen hours, and I
think it's probably time to move on.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yes, first, for sure, Kenny Dillingham head coach. How I
am still Arrow's still up on him. To me, I
thought that this year actually proved like how good of
a coach he could be.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I'm very hopeful. I think he's the right man
for the job. I think his greatest enemy at this
point is the apathy caused by the herm era. Yeah,
because like when the excitement started, it was probably spring
twenty twenty one, and it immediately got snuffed out. So
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I think he is fighting an uphill battle with a
disengaged fan base that and a lot of the responsibility
for that belongs to the athletic administration and the president.
But if they can get this thing going, I'm not
a sleeping giant guy. I don't believe that's even a thing.
Definitely do not believe Arizona State is a sleeping giant.
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I think that Arizona State is an incredible, maybe the
best in the country, second decision you can make. And
I think that in the era of the transfer portal,
why would you not consider Arizona State like that? I
believe that I feel like I'm being objective in that
I think that Arizona State as a second chapter mirrors
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Arizona as a second chapter for all these snowbirds, like
is just a good life to live. Once you've established
like what it is you want to try to accomplish.
So I think they'll be fine it, but you do
want to see what Kenny Dillingham can do with a
fully functioning roster before you make any determinations. Maybe Marcus
Arroyo is going to be a big part of that.
I know you you got feelings about you know, Marcus
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Arroyo and maybe Peter principle of like there's an area
where maybe he's really good, but if you elevate him
beyond that, maybe he's not ready. I think as an
offensive coordinator with Kenny Dillingham there, maybe he could be good.
We'll see, but it's definitely going to be interesting moving forward.
Best year, worst year for Arizona State. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I would have to say, probably the what was that
twenty nineteen, the year that they wait, actually no, no, yeah,
I think you got to pull one of the tie
Graham years. Yeah, fourteen, probably twenty fourteen because they finished
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in the top twenty. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So so that's Yeah, twenty fourteen's tough to digest because
had they not lost to Oregon State, they would have
had a shot at the College Football Playoff. But when
the wheels fell off, they really fell off hard, and
they end up losing the Territorial Cup.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So that that's definitely tough to digest. So I feel
like going eight and one in conference in the twenty
thirteen year was to me the better season because they
finished strong even though they lost a Holiday Bowl.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh and then it brought momentum to the next year.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I think so. I think so, But it has
to be one of those two for sure. I don't.
And the best herm did was eight wins. I don't.
I'm not a wins mean everything guy, but it didn't
impress me.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, and their worst year to me had to be
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah. Well, twenty twenty two was when Herm lost to
Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, then then yes,
it was twenty twenty two, because that was the year
when you were like, Arizona's State's a ten win team,
and I was like, no, they're not, Ralph, Yeah, you
weren't even saying ten win. You said we might go
undefeate it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well because well also, like Jayden left before the season,
Omar Norman Lott left, like the whole team bailed, and
then Herm quit and I'm gonna say that Capitol Q.
Herm Edwards quit after the Eastern Michigan game, and Arizona
State still found a way to pay a quitting man
half his buyout, very very strange circumstances. The highlight of
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that year, though, was I got to see my guy,
Sean Iguano, who is the head coach of the high
school that I went to. He got there the year
after I left. I got to see him spend nine
games as the head coach of Arizona State. That's a
moment I'll never forget. Them beating Washington was cool, Trent
Borgay being at the Helm for that was cool. But overall,
that was an absolutely disastrous year. I will also say
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that twenty twenty sticks out to me because of the
way in which they lost to USC and the fact that,
like the rumor is that ASU went into that game
with athletes with COVID and got everybody sick on both sides,
and so we only got three or four games from
a bunch of these different Pac twelve teams. That year
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sucked very bad. But I will give you that twenty
twenty one was very disappointing because that's the year I
believe that they'd be ten to eleven win team, and instead,
Jade Daniels had the most mediocre year of all time,
and they went from getting up to eighteenth ranked of
the country to being a five lost team with a
Vegas Bowl loss. So I don't know, man, I'm glad
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the Hermira is over best player of the PAC twelve
era for Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Easy, Nikill Harry, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, it's I'm this is gonna sound like I'm saying
something bad about Nikiel, but I do put DJ Foster
a little bit above him. He's I think he's the
most important player for Arizona State of the PAC twelve era.
I will, however, throw Will Sutton's name in there because
I feel like he's the most dominant defensive player ASU
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has had in the last twenty years. He had a
run where he was completely unstoppable, and I was a
really big fan of his, And of course that's from
the early days. Yeah, but yeah, I he had as
a noseguard in twenty twelve, thirteen sacks.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, dude, he was a problem. Major problem. Now on
to Cal as we stay in alphabetical order. Who is
headed to the act the ACC.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, I love living twelve miles from their conference headquarters
and I'm on the East coast.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So Cal who Justin Wilcox is their head coach. I mean,
there's not really a lot to talk about about this team.
I mean when we said that there was, there wasn't
a lot to talk about about Arizona State in terms
of it's been quiet. Hell, is there been any more
quiet place? I mean Washington, Washington State's been louder, but
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that's because they've been you know, their coach has been
speaking out about their players being gouged and robbed and pillaged.
And Cal is like after Mint Mendoza had a pretty
good year last year, they're bringing they brought in additional
quarterbacks and that's gonna be interesting. They have They fired
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bow Balwin, their office coordinator. The guy who ended up
calling the play for the second half of the season
is that UC Davis as head coach Tim plow.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
So.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And last year was a complete reversal of the team
in that their defense is usually good, but their offense
is usually cheeks and this year their offense actually showed
some competency and their defense was atrocious. So I honestly,
I don't know what to make of this team. They
made their first bowl game since what was that? They
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made their first bowl game since the Red Box Bowl
in twenty nineteen, and it was the Independence Bowl, which
they lost. So they didn't finish the season with a
renting record or Regger record for the first time. I mean,
but they did win six games record yep, dude, that's
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a long time to keep a job like and not
have the success. But they're I got do think have
to put an asterisk on it because the COVID stuff
just threw everything off for.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Col Maybe I don't they they had some momentum before.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Here's a deal.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
They finished thirty six games under five hundred in conference
in the PAC twelve. They never, never, never had a
winning record in conference in the Pac twelve, never, not
one time.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh my god, bro, they haven't had a winning record
in conference since Jeff Tedford in nine.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
That's right, that's right. They have been as mediocre as
mediocre gets. And so the question then becomes, how do
you think they'll fare in the ACC. Do you think
it will be more of the same, and do you
think that the col fan base will tolerate that? Because
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Cal did get rid of Sonny Dyke's after four years
and then they had to watch him take TCU to
a national championship game, but that was after Sonny Dike's
had three losing seasons in four years. Justin Wilcox has
had four losing seasons in what seven eight years? So well,
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you know, well his extension hasn't even kicked off yet,
he's still like he has five years left on his contract.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Well that's the issue, Ralph, is that that's a significant
problem because they're going to the ACC and Cal is
running at such a financial deficit. I doubt, I highly
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doubt that that Justin Wilcox's contract is like a lot
of these high paid head coaches because he's not one
of them that the majority of it is coming from
boosters and donors, So that means that you got to
buy him out and that's coming from the school and
them in UCLA are running at the biggest that deficit
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they make that that Arizona thirty million dollars. That deficit
looked like child's play.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Are they a top half team in the a CEC
with access to California athletes?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Okay, so assuming that Florida State is still in there, right,
so let's just go with for next year. I think
that Florida State's better, Clemson's better, MC State is better, yep,
NC State's better, Louisville's better, but they could be Louisville
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next year. Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Louisville is another one of those schools like LSU where
the checks clear.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
My Miami could be good. Who oh, they're they're gonna
they're gonna have the most talented roster in the ACC. Besides, lord,
they're certainly better than cal yep at this point, Duke,
North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Yeah, they'll they'll be damn. And
then you got Syracuse, Pitt Virginia Wake. Oh god, now
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they're gonna be somewhere to the middle to bottom third
of the ACC.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
So we're probably running into more of the same. Who
is the best player of the cal PAC twelve era?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yes, Uh, I'm gonna go with Cam Jordan.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I don't think he ever played in the PAC twelve.
He didn't, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
He's that old Jesus.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah in that wild I think he might have.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And you might be right because the PAC twelve era
started with twenty eleven. Yeah, I think his senior year
was the last year of the PAC tenacy. Yeah, because
he's been in the league for quite some some time.
So then let's amend that and go Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, that's a I mean, number one overall picks. Tough
to possibly about to go to a second Super Bowl. Yeah, Yeah,
it's got It's got to be him. Uh. Best year
worst year is weird because they only had the one
A two eight and five years. Do you like the
Sonny Dikes eight and five year or do you like
the the Justin Wilcox eight and five year? One of
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them had Jared Goff and uh in a better strength
of schedule. But in twenty nineteen they did get up
to number fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
A people. I'm going twenty nineteen because Sunny Dyke's team
broy they were a freeway to the to the end
zone for the opponent. They literally had to score eight
thousand points just to win. So and I will split
the baby with you.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'll go with the other one. Yeah, I mean, we're
still talking about a losing conference record, but a harder
schedule to get there. And then are we You want
to say one and eleven is the worst year the
twenty thirteen Sunny Dykes, But that's like saying that one
eleven year for Jetfish would be the worst Arizona year
because yeah, but it was the upswing. Yeah, but they
did not win a game in conference. That's very tough
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to do.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, that's very tough to it, just like going undefeated
is tough to do. Going windless, Yeah, that's tough. I
don't know. Twenty twenty two is pretty damn bad. Yeah,
I mean, they were just atrocious. They were doormat in
twenty twenty two. So I'm gonna go twenty twenty two
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is the worst year.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
All right, I'll go with the windless, even though they
did have Jared Goff and that was on the upswing.
Windless is wild as hell. Those all go with that,
all right, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Wow, I guess their their history in the PAC twelve sucks.
I mean, I mean they they did make the championship
game once and they got their doors knocked off. But
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I mean they're there. Their history is checkered at best.
I mean it's a bunch of their Their history is
a bunch of mid.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Bro Yeah, they they're they were never they really came
in to the PAC twelve and served as a tackling
dummy every year outside of one. It was it made
sense that they left. They had I mean, they had
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one really really good year under Mike McIntyre and then
fired him the next season because the wheels fell off.
Oh no, no, no, no, they waited two years. They
waited two years. I always forget that there were two
years between the ten wins and firing him for like
starting five and zero and then dropping six straight. But
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I thought I thought twenty sixteen was very special. I
think a lot of people thought that Mike McIntyre was
gonna be able to build off of that. The fact
that the slide in the back half of that Mike
McIntyre year where he got fired was so bad that
Meltucker even going five and seven made him one of
the hottest names in college football. Was very funny because
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they had the same record they had the two years before.
But I uh, yeah, I don't know that they they
only had the one good year and then they also
had the most exciting year of any Pac twelve team
in twenty twenty three, but they happened to go one
in eight in conference. So I don't know. But best
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year is very obvious, and I think worst year is
very obvious because of I mean, you sounded the alarm,
don't hire Mike Sandford. They did, then they made him
the head coach after firing Karl Durell, and now to
this day, I still believe Mike Sandford is not employed.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, it's mad. That was madness. And the funny part
about it is that, like they've had some very interesting
situations because they went through a phase where they wouldn't
give their coaches, you know, long term deals after Rick Neuheisel,
they were trying to operate under the one year thing
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and all of that. It just was not gonna work.
And they actually fired Gary Barnett, who was actually doing
a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
And they were seven and six that that year, and
they were wishing for seven and again after two thousand
and five. They were wishing for those years back until
what twenty sixteen when Mike Mcatarre won ten games and
then they were wishing for him back again. So dude,
it just that. But that mel Tucker parlay bro that
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was awesome, Like the homeboy went there for one year,
went five and seven, got a bag, and then when
won ten games in his first year at Michigan State,
got another bag and then blew the bag.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
In more than one way. But moving on, Uh, Colorado
had three very very bad years. One of them they
went winless in conference in twenty fourteen under Mike McIntyre.
One of them was the John Embery year of going
one and eleven and one in eight in conference, and
twenty twenty two the Carl Derell Mike Sanford year. Which
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of those do you believe.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Is the worst? Oh, I'm gonna go with the Carl
Durrell Mike sam For year because that was so pitiful
and you could see it coming. There was never any
hope because they couldn't score points. It was the worst
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offensive team I've ever seen. In my life, Ralph, I
don't think I've ever seen a more inept offense than
what I saw that that year, regardless whether you blame
blame the players, blame the coach, talk about what you
saw on the field was well whatever you think you've
seen a struggle offense as it was worse.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
But they beat Justin Wilcox, So there's that best place.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
So so so Colorado got them and Arizona got cal
Yeah but.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yes, yeah, but the Arizona game never should happen. Yeah,
best call Ratto player.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Of the PAC twelve era Christian Zales.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
That is not a fair thing to say, and you
know it. It's it's actually quite mean. Why was he
because Christian Gonzale has left and went to Oregon?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I mean he was he was an all packed pack
twelve player in both places, one of them. He just
a first round pick from I wonder what what he
identifies as.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Was he a grad transfer? You don't get to identify
as anything if you're not a grad transfer, good point,
you are what you finish at, unless.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You then he did graduate from Oregon, I believe.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Well even then, like do you think Jayden Daniels with
his ASU degree calls himself a sun devil. Do you
think Russell Wilson says, go wolf pack. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
He might because he's a politician. So he was like,
go wolf back Badgers.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
All right, So I don't. I think that that is
pretty ridiculous and invalid. So I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I'm gonna brend Brendan Rice.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Then that's also messed up. I think Leviska Chanault for
a small yeah point in time, was the most feared
player if healthy in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, Okay, so number one, My number one is Philip Lindsay.
Philip Lindsay, he I mean, that's just my favorite Colorado player.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
So I'm going with Labishka okay, since you won't let
me take Christian.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Okay, I'll go with Lindsay because he was a Colorado
boy who rushed for like five thousand year olds in
high school, went to Colorado, did it up there and
then and then did some things in the NFL too.
So shout up, Philip Lindsay, who is that? I honestly, alphabetically,
what are we onto Oregon? This is where I get lost?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yes? Correct?
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Okay, So this is gonna be a fun question for you.
What was Oregon's best year in the Pact twelve?
Speaker 2 (52:11):
There are so many options? Shut up, geez, I mean
is it? Well? Actually, I guess you have to take
the national championship year where they played in the National
Championship in twenty fourteen, okay, because twenty ten was prior
when they played in the National Championship, which, yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
It's weird because now we're in a situation where, like
arguably three of the teams we've already talked about, its
best year is twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, yeah, and Arizona beat Arizona, who we said they
beat Oregon in the regular season on a on a
Friday night when Oregon was wearing those black and pink
uniforms and they didn't wear them again for eight years, Broca,
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because that because they put the bad luck ones away.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
And do you know what your blood here came under
Mark Helfrich. How does that feel?
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Chip is? It was a chip hold over yere.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Chip old way he did turn around? When I mean,
you know what's crazy that Mark Helfrich won what was
it thirty seven games or something like that in in
four years and hasn't worked since.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Uh, I know he's worked. He's just doing announcing.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
He went to the Chicago Bears to be their OC.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
That's a guaranteed l trying to call offense in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, he went to let me make sure he went
to Yeah, he went to the Chicago Bears that as
their OC in eighteen and nineteen.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
You know why I think Mark Halfrich gets so little respect.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Because he let the team fall apart and let any
old thing happen in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
What do you mean, Well, when you're a team that
has gone to a bowl every single year since two
thousand and five and only one of those years doesn't
have a bull, I think that's why he is the
only coach since two thousand and five four to not
take Oregon to a ball game.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Dude, Oregon has been to a ball game every single
year since ninety four except for ninety six, two thousand
and four, and two thousand and fifteen. Is is is
that good?
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Shut up? Shut up, shut up?
Speaker 2 (54:49):
No, no, I'm asking is that good?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
It's probably probably.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
But you will have happen.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
And what sucks is if you read the bull names
out loud, because I wanted to be like, yeah, Vegas,
but like no, when you read them out, like its
Fiesta Fiesta Rose, Rose Fiesta Rose BCS National Championship Rose.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Man notice associated with poverty teams Man congratulations. So okay,
so there, I mean here, here's the truth is that
Oregan's at the at the point if they want to
raise any higher, they gotta win a national championship. Yeah,
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like there is no there's twelve wins is going to okay, Yeah,
we had a good year, but that's not like nobody's
gonna get excited and like they're they're gonna be excited
for the next year, but nobody's gonna be like, oh
my god, this was the greatest year ever. And you
don't hoist the trophy, not even a PAC twelve trope,
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the trophy. A Big ten championship will be celebrated because
it's the first year that they that they would be
in if they win it. But anything aside from winning
the national championship is not gonna be you know, I mean,
I guess going and losing because then you're super excited
for the next year, and you know, like that sort
of thing keeps on going. But it's like How can
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Ohio State fans be happy with this season?
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah? All right, easiest question in the world. Best player
for Oregon of the pactove era? Why? How are you
even delaying on this?
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I mean, dude, there's been a lot of really good players.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, but there's only been one.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Okay, I'm gonna go with Marcus Mariota. But the most
exciting player of the PAC twelve era out of any team,
had to be d Anthony Thomas.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Anthony Thomas, I figured I figured he was gonna give
your runner up thing. I am such a huge Pinasul
fan that I just want to mention his name.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh yep, monster.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
But uh yeah, congratulations to your PAC twelve run, which
is now over. How do you think they are set
up to fare in the Big ten?
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Better?
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yes? Yes, they got a they got a coach who stable,
The money's right, the buzz is right. I mean everything, like,
they're able to recruit. Everything looks good right now. As
long as Dan Lanning doesn't get caught up in some
sort of weirdo scandal that caused him to be immediately fired,
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then everything's okay.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
You just like find out that he collects Nazi memorabilia
like Mark Furman or something. Yeah, something just way out
of left field. I don't oh man, I've seen some
Oregon fans in your mention. He might actually like gain
points with a couple of those dudes.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Some of those people live.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
Some of those people that live out in the trees, they.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
They are they got some I live out in the
tree thoughts, Yes they do.
Speaker 3 (58:16):
They don't even like that. The bark is brown. But
let's move on. Oregon State. Oregon State, they're PAC twelve run.
It felt like they were always trying to ice skate
uphill and then at the end there they really caught
some traction. How do you feel like they I mean,
it's weird to say, how are they set up for
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the future, because what even is the future? But yeah,
I'm I'm really curious what you think about their PAC
twelve run and how they'll move forward.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Well, the first thing is their their history, Oregon State's history.
They go through these ebbs and flows, you know what
I mean, like to where they're they catch a little
wave when when the team is right and then they dip.
But that was so they had a big run in
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the right direction, like two thousand and two, three with
Dennis Ericson, and then Mike Riley had some good times.
Then he goes ten and four, nine and four, nine
and four, and I mean he had a nice little
run there at Oregon State, and then things got bad
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after he left. But but even during those years he
had some five and seven, three and nine. You know,
it's it's ebbs and flows there, the bad.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
Very amount of stability considering that the beginning of their
Pac twelve run was well, not the beginning, but the
next five six years were treacherous.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yes, and that's where if college football coach was is
what it is now, Mike Riley would have got snatched
up long before then. Yeah. Absolutely, And then Jonason Smith
gets the job in twenty eighteen, and it's just a
steady ascension. It's just every single year you're like, oh,
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they're a little bit better, a little bit better. They
got the offense figured out, they got the defense figured out,
and in places like Oregon State, Arizona, stuff like that.
If you can figure out recruiting and stop recruiting off
a list and worrying about how many stars a kid
has and all of that and just go evaluate talent,
you're going to be good because you are going to
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be able to get kids that the big schools and
the big budgets are ignoring, and they're just as good
as their players.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yep. They got the stadium upgrade. I felt like, I
felt like maybe the most brutal thing of any because
you know, Arizona fans are up in arms, Washington fans
are up in arms. I think it was maybe most
brutal that Like, if the PAC twelve stays together, I
think Jonathan Smith is still there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I think they're probably a top four team going into
next year with a chance to maybe make a serious
run surprise some people. And with twelve teams going to
the college football playoffs, all of a sudden, you start
to think of Oregon State as a contender. And so
I really feel I actually do feel for them because
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what happened cost them dearly. Could they be fine? I
don't know, because I honestly don't even know what life
looks like for them moving forward. It's one of those
things I gotta see to actually understand, oh for sure,
for sure, because there's no clear path forward.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, yes, we're not even sure what forward looks like.
In the short term, they're a Mountain West School sort of. Yeah,
and they do still get to play Oregon, but like
there's no chance that they upset Oregon, you know what
I mean, Like like that's the I think the bad
(01:02:05):
part about it for their fans and for people who
wanted that rivalry to keep on going is that when
you look at one roster compared to the other, it's
just not like I mean, it's just not gonna happen
and it and you can go into that game hoping
against hope, but unless Oregon has a bunch of turnovers
(01:02:27):
or something like that, it's it's it's not going to
be pretty.
Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I think they've a pretty obvious best year worst year
twenty twenty two. Yeah, winning ten wins, Vegas Bowl and
then the Gary Anderson getting fired in the middle of
the year, Corey Hall taking over them. Going one and
eleven feels like the worst year, but it led to
some cool things with Jonathan Smith. See best player is
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very tough.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
M what's the what's the little five five five wives?
Oh no, that's your favorite guy.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
No it's not. He's not even a top five favorite
receiver of mine. I just thought it was cool that
he was out there doing like Earl Boykins. They had
Brandon Cooks and Marcus Wheaton on the same roster.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Ooh, I'm gonna go with Brandon Cooks because that that
boy was dangerous.
Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
He was very very good. It's hard. It's also hard
to not go with someone maybe more more recent, you know,
but even then it's not like, you know, they were
given all the carries to Fenwick or all the carries
to Martinez, so nobody like really blew up, blew up.
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If you take Cooks, I'll take Wheat and we'll just
split the baby on that one. But it feels weird
not picking. Ah, it always feels weird not picking like
an Oregon State running back because it feels like they've
always been able to kind of run the ball a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
No, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Definitely nobody on defense. No, in my opinion, from the
last from their from their PAC twelve run.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, I mean all right, go for me. Their all
time best player is probably Chad Johnson.
Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, so well, Stephen Jackson was there. They had houstin
Zada for a minute. Man, Dennis Erickson really went eleven
to one with these dudes. That was wild, all right,
So I have I'm officially stumped. What follows Oregon state
in the alphabet. We've been doing this for four and
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a half years and I still don't know, Like without
pulling it up, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Uh, Stanford.
Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
For real? Yeah, all right, why not, let's go to Stanford.
If we're wrong, We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I mean, I mean, I will. I mean it is USC,
A U or A.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
It's gotta be a even though University of Oregon is
not a you whatever, Stanford it is. It feels very
weird to be talking about Stanford and being dumb at
the same time. Again, accuh, if Troy Taylor is who
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he maybe feels like he could be, maybe they have
a decent future. They're still gonna get five of the
top one hundred and fifty recruits in the country every
single year, because when Stanford offers your kid, it's very
hard to say no.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Great.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
But they just they just went three and nine three
years in a row. Yes, their last four full seasons
were all very bad.
Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, yeah, as Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Are they are they gonna be duke two point zero
in the a CC or are they going to have
like a crazy home field advantage from people having to
fly all the way across the country.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Certainly they have no home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Nobody did when they did when they had to play
in a park or whatever, or practice in a park.
Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
That's funny. When they were up at Yeah, when they
went out to Washington and they were practicing in a park. Bro,
that's wow.
Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
The best player is This is the fun This is
the most fun one because it's it's McCaffrey or Luck.
Even though they did have what like Slomon Thomas and
Toby Caerhart and uh, there's a lot of dudes to
choose from.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
He should have won the Heisman Trophy. He had things
going against him. Number Number one, he was white at
playing running back. I definitely do did that. I think
it took people a while to but because there was
already that narrative about the PAC twelve. So then it
was oh, white running back doing it in the soft
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PAC twelve, So I think that that was the narrative.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah, and now he's doing it in the soft NFC West,
home of the most Super Bowl appearances of like any
conference in the last twenty years. Yeah. I I'll say
Andrew Luck, but that's a tough one. Man. Worst year
is tough, because you know it's got to be one
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of the last three. They did have a very good
PAC twelve run. Yeah, yes, they very good. Yes they
did it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
And remember people were yelling at me, and I was
trying to I've been trying to yell at everybody since
twenty nineteen and tell them intellectual brutality is dead. And
what do they say, No, it's not, No it's not
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He'll be fine. No that's not the truth. It was
clear as day that that in twenty seventeen, that the
that the switch was flipping off twenty eighteen. Yeah, in
twenty nineteen goes from nine wins to four and then
four again to three and three more.
Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
And I thought NCAA rules always disadvantaged Stanford, which is
a dumb thing to hear yourself say out loud, because
like all those poor Stanford kids, but the early signing
day brutal, just brutal for them.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, the recruiting didn't match, Like the holdover from Hardball
was good, but then something got lost in strategy and
and like something got lost in the direction towards the
end of David Shaw's tenure and he couldn't get it
back on track. Yeah, and it was a try.
Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
You have the nine wins. The nine wins though in
twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, and some Stanford fans were like, well,
we're closer to eleven wins than we are to seven,
and there are people who felt very differently, and then
it just all fell off. It fell off really when
this podcast started. So maybe it's our fault. No, I
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mean we never got to cover a good Stanford team.
Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Don't mind that, all right, was the best year they
were side for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I mean they I mean they were them being good
is what really threw it over the top. That the
North dominated the South for the majority of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yes, yes, yep, yeah, Oregon, Oregon had USC I mean
had Stanford trauma for a while.
Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
So which Rose Bull season was their best? The twenty
fifteen twelve and two won the Rose Bowl or twenty
twelve twelve and two won the Rose Bowl?
Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You go with twenty fifteen one twenty fifteen because they
actually won the Rose Bowl that year. They won in
twenty twelve two. Oh yeah yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
So their losses in twenty fifteen were to Oregon by
two and to Northwestern in week one of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Oh, that's when they went to North Northwestern and played
that early game.
Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
And then in twenty twelve, their only losses were to
Washington by four and Notre Dame by one score, and
then they just rattled off I think eight straight to
end the season, including running through four straight ranked teams
Oregon State number one Oregon at the time, number fifteen UCLA,
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and then turn around and beat UCLA again in the
Pactal Championship one week later, six days.
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Now, they finished number number three in the nation. So
in twenty fifteen, So I'm gonna take that twenty fifteen
with the Rose Bowl win.
Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say because they beat
the number two and number three team in the country,
no Number two and number one team in the country
in twenty twelve USC and then at Oregon, I'll take
that year because the Beach of Ducks.
Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, So, how do you think that they're gonna fare
in the ACC.
Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Better than Cal? Slightly better than CAL. I do think
there'll be a top six to seven team right out
of the gate.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
And then.
Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
What will be very interesting is if the stability of
the ACC comes into play, because if you have Clemson
and Florida State breakoff, then maybe Stanford is like, hey,
we could win this thing, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, we shall see. All right, next team up is
I guess we go to from Stanford to the US. Right,
so then pose, why not you tak okay? So then
that goes UCLA.
Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Or UCLA again, can't alphabet English major from Arizona State
can't alphabet here, we go UCLA, they believe it or not,
only had three coaches in the Pac twelve era. They
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had two interims, Jetfish for two games in twenty seventeen
and Mike Johnson for two games in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Oh so they had Moura Chip and.
Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
They had one year of new Heisel the first year
of Pac twelve play.
Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
They are not better often they were. I mean it's
so hard for me because they're not recruiting.
Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yes, Mora was recruiting, but those kids would flame out
like good kids with really good evaluations, like Jalen Phillips
had to go to Miami to like do something different.
Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yeah, I just don't understand, like how they are so
bad at recruiting. I mean when you look at UCLA
in I said in twenty twenty four. Right, according to
twenty four to seven, they are, Lord, have mercy. Let
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me find them all the way down in the forties
and I can't find them. They've had continuity at head
coach for quite some time, right, like they've been living
in the portal. Oh my god, where are they? They're below?
You tell how they doing. I thought I had to
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have passed them, bro. They have eleven commits in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
And they're probably all like six foot three and a
half thirty pounds away from being able to get on
the field.
Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Ralph, they're ranked number seventy seven. They have one four
star kid, a kid, a kid kid I know named
Quasi Gilmore at wide out. He'll be good.
Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I don't wander Angelus, California.
Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
They are all very tall, jeez.
Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
That is what he with. Tall kids that sleep nine
hours a night and don't have shellfish allergies.
Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
That's that's And they have eleven transfers D line, offensive tackle, safety, cornerback,
long snapper, linebacker, edge, edge kicker, wide receiver, and safety.
(01:15:04):
That's what they got. Yeah, So, I mean, recruiting rankings
aren't everything, as we all understand. But you're going to
have more success if you put good coaching with higher
rank recruits. Yeah, so I'm not sure what the strategy is.
(01:15:29):
But then there's also talk that Chip may be headed
to the NFL, which is very strange to me, bro
because this timing would be atrocious. However, though, if he
does go to the NFL, somebody's getting that job and
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UCLA is not going to hire an inexperienced head coach.
Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
I don't think there's guys out here interviewing for jobs
right now. Now, do I think they come back to
college football? But no, But David Shaw put his name
back out there, like there's there. You know there will
be people available. Will it be the best person available?
Probably not?
Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
But like u c LA's a d Jarmond and UCLA
is clearly being very aggressive because they're going to the
Big ten. But I don't know how you leave them,
Like how do you do that? Right? I mean, how
who do you hire at UCLA of Chip leaves.
Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Man? I would I would probably, I mean I'd probably
reach out to one of these. And I know it's
hard to get people out of the NFL at this point.
I know that, But Baltimore's got a hell of an
offensive coordinator. Man, they really do, and he won a
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national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Could you take UCLA's USC's defensive coordinator back from.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Your head coach? Yes, that'd be so funny. Uh we
remember before the season, We're like Danton Lins never called
the defense. This could be disastrous for u c l A.
He was like the best hire of the year. Yeah,
I don't know, man, So here is one that I
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think maybe you'll have a tough time with. Best player
of the Pac twelve era for.
Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
U c l A. M M gotta be the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
They have three very very very good quarterbacks in this time.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
You know who I'm gonna go with? Two hold on,
let me let me google his name to make sure
the years that he played, because if so, I'm this
is an easy selection for me because on one hand
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I thought the guy was so he got drafted in
two thy fourteen perfect. Perfect Anthony Barr.
Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
He's very good. He's very good. I don't know if
i'd put him above Eric Kendricks, but he is very,
very very good. I mean he was kind of better
than Kendricks on one of the teams where they were
on the team together.
Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, correct, he was. And if you think about it,
he was doing what LA two was doing this year,
except for LAT two. He did it longer at UCLA
than LAT two did, so I think that you have
to put him above LAT two, even though that LA
two may end up being better, but Anthony barstill playing
in the League two.
Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
I will say they had some very I mean, they
probably had four of my favorite running backs in the
Pac twelve era. The fact that they still were mediocre
is wild to me. They had definitely some of my
favorite linebackers. They had both a Diggy zooas on the
on the defensive line. They had so many good players.
(01:19:17):
But it's funny because you get into the quarterback thing
and you're like, Okay, well, Dorian Thompson Robinson was a
quarterback there for five years, but I don't think you
ever had a double digit win season. So then you go, well,
what about the guy that was pick tenth overall Josh
Rosen who took the whole country by storm? Maybe, but
truly the quarterback that they had the most success with
is Brett Hunley. Yeah, and so I think I think
I have to go Brett Hunley because wasn't he part
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of the ten win teams?
Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Brett Hunley, Oh god, yes, yes, he was bro they
and he was super good.
Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
M Yeah, I when they've also had some really good
O linement and then they they had Tac McKinley too,
who I always forget what went to UCLA. But yeah,
I don't know. To me, I'm I'm gonna go Brett Huntley.
But like, that's a tough one with Rosen and uh
and Dorian Thompson Robinson there and then just all of
those linebackers running backs. It's such a surprise that they
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that they didn't put together better years. Which of the
ten win seasons do you think was better? Because they
actually I think in twenty in one of the years
they lost to like every ranked team they played. Yeah,
I know they lost to Oregon. They lost to Oregon
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both those years. Actually yeah, but they did be USC twice,
so maybe it's a tie. Maybe it's a tie between
both those seasons. But yeah, I don't know. How do
you think they'll fare in the Big Ten?
Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I think terrible, terrible, terrible. I mean they will be
what Nebraska Maryland ruggers are now. They'll have a.
Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I think it was a waste of their entire big huh.
You think four and five like I'm I'm I mean,
I think disastrous. Think about it, dude. They they spent
the last five years trying to get big for the
Pac twelve. Now they're gonna go after spending the last
five years trying to get big, go be undersized in conference.
They should like if they had they focused on speed
(01:21:25):
and athleticism, then maybe they would have some type of
like gimmick to get through this.
Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Mm okay, let's see their schedule.
Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
I think they're gonna suck. I think the only reason
you would hear Chip Kelly thinking about being an offensive
coordinator instead of getting five plus million dollars a year
to keep his job would be if he knew it too.
Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
So they play at Hawaii, so they'll win that game.
They play in Siana at LSU, yikes, Oregon at Penn State.
(01:22:15):
So what's their record through five games?
Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Two and three? Optimistically?
Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Then they play Minnesota that feels evenly matched. Yeah, at Ruggers,
toss up at Nebraska Okay, Iowa Okay, at Washington Okay,
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and USC.
Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I think that's a five win team at best. I
don't mean to be a hater. I just never thought
the Big Ten was a good place for UCLA.
Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah. Yeah, you got to have a roster bro or
you gotta have a gimmick. You have a roster or
a gimmick, which USC has Yep, UCLA does not. Okay,
now on to usc USC. I mean they are in
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the Lincoln Riley era. How are you judging them so far? Well? Actually,
I would say, first, how would you judge their PAC
twelve era?
Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Considering that they were had some sanctions. I would say
it was probably overall disappointing. They had five five double
digit win seasons in twelve years of the of the
PAC twelve. You, if you're USC, you have to consider
(01:23:55):
that a disappointment because you had five double digit win
seasons from four to eight, right, So I think overall
it was an extreme disappointment. The fact that even when
they went eleven and three, people hated Clay Hilton, the
(01:24:16):
fact that they hung on for another four years in
two games, I think upset a lot of that fan base.
And they were ready to be back back in twenty
twenty two and thought they'd be building on it in
twenty twenty three. So I think they end the PAC
twelve era with a really, really bad taste in their mouth.
There was not a single season, not a single season
(01:24:38):
in which and I know that twenty twenty being in
there probably maybe shouldn't count, but there's not a single
season in here where they didn't lose less than three
games except for the first year of the PAC twelve
when they were not allowed to participate in a bowl.
So I think overall that you based on the standard
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at USC. I think it was a really really bad
time because they were in a down PAC twelve South.
Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
The entire time as well, and they couldn't win it, Nope.
Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
And they did not play in a bowl in twenty
twenty one, did not play in a bowl in twenty eighteen,
and then we're not allowed to I believe in twenty ten,
in twenty eleven. So three of the years didn't make
a bowl. Don't count the COVID year. But that's not
USC's standard, not by a long shot. Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
That's crazy that they that they tarmac Lane at hit
three and two. That's wild. But because because he had
had a ten win season then was seven and six
and then started out the season two and three, say nara, buddy,
(01:25:52):
and went through Sark Clay Helton. Yeah, this was this
is not the move out. But I would say that
they're for USC. They're not going to feel like the
Pac twelve run was good at all because they're USC
and they believe that they are supposed to be at
the top of the mountain top and they have yeah,
(01:26:19):
and they are supposed to be at the at the
top of the mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
So and they're not going to be happy with that.
Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
And it's weird because we talk about like best year
or whatever, and even buy USC fans standards, I don't
think they have a lot of best years in here.
But you do have to point out the fact that
Clay Hilton did win a Rose Bowl in twenty sixteen,
so and they were they finished top ten. The best
they actually did was under Clay Hilton with two top
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ten finishes yep, which is probably a hard pill to
swallow because they didn't want that dude there. And yeah,
I would have to say that winning the Rose Bowl
is probably their best pack twelve year twenty sixteen, right, Yep,
for sure is the guy because I mean then then
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you're probably saying it is Caleb Williams over Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Yes, one guy has Do you remember how you brought
that Heisman Trophy thing up to me about they got
an all time great and a number one pick, Yes,
going to the College Football Hall of Fame. Everything else
they got a razy I don't think Sam Donald's going
(01:27:42):
to the College Football Hall of Fame. He's not going
to be remembered with the love that he probably should be.
Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Yeah, probably even after being a red shirt sophomore. Not great.
Uh And it was really that freshman season that was
his best.
Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
And was he an All American? I don't know, because
you can't go to the College Football Hall of Fame
if you're not if you haven't been in All America.
Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
He wells that aren't even eligible.
Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
He lost a rivalry game to Notre Dame, he lost
a rivalry game to Stanford, He lost at Utah, he
lost to Alabama, but he didn't really I mean he
didn't really play. He didn't actually play in that Stanford
and Alabama game. So that first year when he took over,
he after losing to Utah, he never lost again. It
really was a pretty magical run that lasts like nine
(01:28:43):
games of the twenty sixteen season. Skill wise, I'll give
you Caleb, but that season, the way it ended, would
they lose to like Tulane or something? Yeah, I mean,
I mean Caleb is better than Sam dark in my
He's better. Was he a better Trojan?
Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Yeah? All right, So let's let's just look at right
pro football Hall of famers that aren't in the college
football Hall of Fame, Right, Okay? Eric Dickerson, Right, Lynn Dawson,
Anthony Munos wow, who was also a pitcher for the
(01:29:27):
their national championship team as well in baseball, Bruce Matthews,
John Mackie, who the college Award for tight ends is
named after, Larry Wilson, Lou Groza, who the who the
kicking Award is named out, Uh, Joe Namath, Joe Montana,
(01:29:51):
and Vince Lombardy.
Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Yeah all right, well I'll throw I'll throw one other
name out there in the pack to era, because you
brought up to Anthony Thomas and so I think just
on the level of excitement alone, Uh, you have to
you have to say this guy's name, and that's a
Dorr Jackson. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
I think it was a little bit over over radio
compared to the hype. But like and when I and
when I say that over the word over rated. I
mean no disrespect with that. I mean he was super good,
but I think that like Robert Woods would have been better.
Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Yeah. But but Dorry, I'm talking so Dory won the
Thorpe he did. Yeah, yeah, he won Pack twelve Defensive
Player of the Year too. So I'm not even talking
about his special teams or offense.
Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Yeah he was he.
Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
The year before he came out, right.
Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Yeah, okay, yeah, because because the year he ended up
coming out. Yeah, they threw Adam at Utah. I didn't
think that was tough.
Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Yeah, well, I they you know, they have a lot
of good players. I mean they had players that were
not good in college who you knew were good that
are tearing up in the NFL, like a Monroe Saint Brown. So,
and then they had the like the rental guys like
Jordan Addison and like, yes, he deserves to be in
a conversation about just overall greatness, but maybe not no
Trojan Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Yeah, okay, so who So, how are they positioned to
go into the Big Ten?
Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Better than UCLA but still not I'm not super confident.
Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
So they're twenty twenty four schedule. So l LSU's whole
year is gonna depend on how they fare in the
beginning of the season versus H. You said USC, then
U C l A. So they got LSU win or loss.
It's an ellegial I think it's a toss up. You
(01:31:59):
want to know my primary worry about USC. That primary
worry the way that the LA and surrounding area high
school coaches talk about him, because now you're going into
the Big Ten and you should own Southern California. You should,
especially because you'd be able to say we're we're going
(01:32:20):
to go play against all of them, so you don't
have to worry about, oh, I want to go to
Ohio State. No, you get a chance to play against
them here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Yeah, Because even if you have somebody who grew up
a UCLA fan that rushes for six thousand yards at
the high school level and wants to go to UCLA,
if they're not five to nine, then chim Kelly's not
gonna take them like, so you like, there has never
been a bigger opportunity for a monopoly over some of
(01:32:49):
the best athletes in the country than there is right
now for USC. But you listen to some of the
ways that the high school coaches talk about him, and
it is not encouraging. Yeah, I think it's repairable because
you're still us.
Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
So yeah, cause, see, the problem is is that you
can't look snooty about the California kids and then want
to get more California kids. So on some level, like
you do have to scratch your back every now and then,
yeah and yeah and Okay. So they got LSU, Utah
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State at Michigan, Wisconsin at Minnesota, Penn State at Maryland,
Rutgers at Washington, Nebraska at UCLA, and Notre Dame. I
think that this, dude, they they got a chance because
Michigan's going to be down some except they probably still
(01:33:48):
will be exceptionally physical, so that could present a problem.
But this looks like a nine win team to me.
I don't see them winning seven games.
Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Again, No, but nine is also not the standard. This
is Lincoln Riley. What like nine wins at Oklahoma would
have got him strung up. So I don't know, dude,
They definitely to me seem very much better positioned than U. C.
Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
L A.
Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
And then just based on talent loss alone, I would
say probably Washington as well.
Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
If I were the love the move, if I if
I were them, the one thing I would want to
do is switch the Notre Dame game with the Maryland game,
so then we can play Penn State then Notre Dame.
If we drop those two, then on the back end
we got Rutgers Washington, who's going to be down a
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little bit, uh, Nebraska U C l A. And then
finish the season with with Maryland.
Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Like so then you got all of this momentum and
runway heading into the bowl game.
Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
I need a five minute.
Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Direction now onto the Utah youths because Ralph, I actually
think that they had the best run in the PAC
twelve from where they came from, because you would not
have expected, like if I told you when they first
entered the PAC twelve. They came in the same time
as Colorado, and they have had a much easier time
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in the PAC twelve than Colorado has.
Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Definitely that is true. Do you know how sometimes they
say that like there's a there's no better Christian than
a convert, right, Like if you were raising it, maybe
you take it for granted, but like you if you're
one of those big tent revival converts, then it's about
to become your whole life, your whole personality. You'd be
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down at the river doing baptisms every weekend. I feel
like Utah is the quintessential Pac twelve member. They embraced
it more than anybody else. They went. They left kicking
and screaming. They hate the idea of going to the
Big twelve, even though I feel like they'll fit in
fine there, and they really really finished strong. The bizarre
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stat about how strong they finished, though, is that they
are zero to five in bowl games since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, that that's actually a little bit surprising because you
would have thought that they would have been better in
bowl games considering how much success that the team had.
Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
I mean, as an Arizona State fan, I've built my
whole person personality around a nineteen ninety six Rose Bowl loss.
So I mean, I can't imagine the joy of going
to a Rose Bowl and back to back seasons like
they did in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two.
But they did lose them both. They did go ten
and four both times. But I mean, if you throw
twenty twenty out and you just say the last four
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seasons eleven and three in twenty nineteen, ten and four
in twenty twenty one, ten and four in twenty twenty
two and eight and five and twenty twenty three without
their quarterback. So I mean, yeah, I mean, I have
nothing but good to say about how Utah adapted, how
they slowly built their program to be better than UCLA,
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be better than USC. Overtake Arizona State, who they struggled
with for fifteen sixteen years. Even outside of the time
of the PAC twelve struggle with Arizona State, they overtook them.
They really were the pride of the PAC twelve South
and had won two, three, four or five, six, seven
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top twenty five finishes as a member of the PAC twelve.
Very very impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
That makes a lot of sense to me for Utah
because they in like when they were able to hire
Kyle Whittingham, they did a great job, Like that was
an excellent hire, and they found somebody who was willing
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to stay because how many times do you think that
he's been offered jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Based on your definition of offered, probably every five seconds
for the last ten years, Like the the idea that
he's on people's wish lists, I mean, and then we
were getting rumors that he was going to retire, and
he and he signed an extension, you know, yep. And
given you know, a couple of players passing away in
a short amount of time, that's a lot to deal with.
(01:38:30):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Yeah, it was probably very emotional.
Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
But he I mean, when people think of Utah, they
think of him. They don't think of urban Meyer anymore.
Like he took over for urban Meyer, and most of
his assistants have been with him for a very long time.
He's got more program loyalty than any college football program
that isn't you know, built in nepotism of like the
Iowa Hawkeyes or whatever He's got. He's got so.
Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Many assistants that have been with But is that really loyalty.
Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
I don't know. I don't know, because well, you're talking
about Morgan Scalley. Be hard to get a job anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
No, No, well no, no, I was I was talking
about the Iowa situation.
Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
On the only person you need to be loyal at
Iowa is whoever's signed the check. So somebody's loyal to
somebody over at Iowa, and the rest of it, you know,
is just whatever Kirk Farns wants you know. But yeah,
I think Utah is maybe a healthier situation, even though
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Iowa fans will tell you, well, we won ten games too, sure,
sure you did. Utah had a better offense than you
starting a pig farmer, So walk on, pig farmer. I
do not believe Utah to be the Iowa of the
PAC twelve, but I don't know. I can't say enough
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good about Utah objectively speaking, if you're holding every team
to the same standard, was Utah the best? No, they
might not even be in the top three. But as
far as expectations, how they acclimated, what they overcame, the
program's stability, the excitement, the fan base, Like, I just
couldn't say enough good about them. And to know that
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they hated leaving the PAC twelve more than anyone else,
I think gives me a little bit more affinity for
Utah than most of the other fan bases.
Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, and I believe that they are headed in the
right direction, and I actually think that they're actually poised
to do really well in the Big twelve. I mean,
when you look at what the Big twelve has left
Oklahoma State, can you talk compete with them? Yeah? Iowa State, Yeah,
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Kansas State, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, UCF TCU Houston, BYU, Baylor,
and Sincy. This seems exactly where they should be.
Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
It's a different welcome though. When they came to the
Pac twelve, we were like, hey, you know, cool, another
win for us. The Big Twelve. The Big twelve is
already hates them so much. There is already so much
built in animosity toward Utah. Every environment they go to
is going to be extra hostile. And I've tried to
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warn these Big Twelve fans George, like, you guys don't
know what you're getting into. This team is nasty. You
will leave a win against Utah feeling like you lost.
Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yep, that's a fact.
Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
But I don't know what would you say their best
year is and best player. They did have the eleven
win twenty nineteen, but it wasn't a Rose Bowl year.
Twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two were Rose Bowl years,
and twenty twenty one they went eight and one in conference.
Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
I think I'm going back way too far with like
with like Star to.
Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Star Lotule or whatever his name is, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
But probably Ooh or Devin Huh of the linebacker numbers
three ro yes.
Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah, so that was the twenty twenty one year. Is
was like Cam Rising's first year on the job. Twenty touchdowns,
five interceptions. You had the tavi On Thomas who is
one of the players that unfortunately lost his life. Eleven
hundred yards, twenty one touchdowns, and then you had Devin Lloyd,
who is probably the best defensive player in the Pac twelve.
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You know, twenty two tackles for lost, seven sacks, scored twice,
had four picks. That was a really, really good year,
and I think they still had some of those d
lineman like Van Fillinger, and I don't know that that
was a really really good team. I don't know, man,
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I think maybe twenty twenty one is it for me.
It's hard to believe Cole Bishop was still there at
that time.
Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Clark Phillips actually might be like he's one of those
staples of the program, or.
Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Like, didn't they have Britain Covey at like twenty five,
twenty five year old Britain Covey.
Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Yeah, I wonder you're like, get your old ass up
out of here.
Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Who would you say the best player of the PAC
twelve era was for for Utah, and it can't be
an offensive player, can it.
Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
I think it's got to be a defensive player. It
has to be because the defense that has been their
calling card and their hallmark.
Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Devin Loyd, it's pretty good, but you'd be talking about
Bradley and I you be talking about being better than
Lucky Foeto. So I don't know. I think it's a
it's a tough question, but I don't think you can
go wrong with Devin Lloyd. If you did have to
pick somebody on offense, maybe is Zach Moss.
Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Hmmm, ooh, Zach Moss was really good. I forgot about
about him. Yeah, yeah, either de Loyd or Zach Moss.
Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
De Yeah, I'll go with you. Devin Lloyd's got to be.
Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
It's got to be him, Yeah, yeah, because they because
they've had some really good defenders on that on that team.
Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
So put you on the spot if you had to.
If somebody handed you five thousand cash and they said,
all you can do with this cash is bet on
the winner of the Big Twelve next year. But you
could split up the money if you want to, but
you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
I am putting half my money on Utah. Half my
money on Arizona.
Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Man, I don't think Big twelve fans are gonna like
the new guys coming.
Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
In and mm hmm nope. Whereas in the SEC, I
think they're gonna hate Texas, but they won't mind Oklahoma
as much.
Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
It would be interesting, for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Well, but but even Oklahoma's gonna cause a little bit
of chaos if they go to nine conference games, bro,
they are gonna be miserable for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Well, Washington Husky's best year is gonna be the easiest
thing we've ever done.
Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, So all to the Washington Huskies.
Washington Huskies best year twenty twenty three. They went undefeated,
only team in past twelve history to go to a
UH to go through the conference play undefeated. They beat
Oregon again in the conference championship game, get to the playoff,
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beat Texas, end up in the Natty, and then run
out of gas versus Michigan.
Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Run out of Gaspers in Michigan. But I do want
to point out had four opportunities in the second half
to tie the game. Correct, Yes, so like they didn't
want to talk, It felt like it at the end,
but that's just because you got people playing desperate.
Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Yeah, and turning it over in your own territory and
all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Yeah. Four opportunities to tie it in the second half, though,
is a boat as close as you could hope for.
They just got punched in the mouth. Uh best? Would
you say the best player has to come from this
team then, because they their legacy of defensive back. He's
crazy in the Pac twelve era.
Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Yeah, yeah, Byron Murphy Botah Yeah, Buddha Baker. Oh god,
I forgot his name, the cornerback over at Tennessee whose
dad went to Oregon. Oh my gosh, his name is
(01:47:23):
just stearing me right in the face. Anyways, Yeah. There.
Their their defense has been, particularly at the defensive back spot,
has been special. And I look at them and hmm,
what else like that? This season was so special, But
their road has been a little bit hectic because the
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Chris Peterson years were obviously really good, but not really
like marked with the type of success that they would
have won it except for the year that obviously they
went to the College Football Playoff, but they were so
far away in that moment that it was probably hard
for them to I enjoy it because it felt like
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a little bit hollow because they were like, we weren't
even close, Like we were undefeated in that season and
we weren't even close, Like we got our like we
got everything pushed in wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
So wait, were you talking about Marcus Peters or Shaq
Thompson or Desmont Trufont Who were you?
Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Oh? Oh, Mark, Marcus Peters was was really good. Oh god,
he got drafted by the Titans two years ago. Oh oh, molding, molding, Yeah,
because his dad went to Oregon. So everybody was like, bro,
what's what's up with you?
Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
But I did like they had monsters too, They had
what Danny Shelton and Vida ba y.
Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yep. And if you're going in the NFL, then yeah
you're If you're including their NFL career, then Vitave has
been the best.
Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
He's been great, for sure. It's weird, And it's weird
because you have the different chapters. The Sark leaving for
USC pretty pretty big deal at the time, the Peterson years.
You know, I think Klein Debor even kind of eclipsed them.
You know, Jimmy Lake was only the head coach for
(01:49:31):
thirteen games, yep, And no, I didn't get him fired.
That was his fault. Every once in a while people
point out on Twitter that I was standing in my
living room video taping my TV when he popped Ruperaki
FORV in the helmet. I tweeted it out, and then
it became a thing like trust me, they were already
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Jen Cohen was already talking about it, regardless of whether
somebody put it on Twitter or not.
Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Dude, so oh and twelve. So they went oh and
twelve and eight. And I remember Reggie Williams being in
the locker room with me in Jacksonville, him and Khalif
Barnes from Washington, and I was like, oh, y'all went
defeated this season. That's where I coined the term defeated
instead of undefeated.
Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
And they that wasn't even the only time they pulled
that off. In PAC twelve play, well, they were oh
and twelve on the season. There were twelve to in
the season. They went one in ten and four and
eight and packed ten play. I still remember that.
Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Sheh Keith Gilbertson. That was the Keith Gilbertson era.
Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Yeah, they've been good though, they've been good. They got
three top ten finishes since twenty sixteen. I believe made
the College Football Playoff twice. Yep, they got a Fiesta Bowl,
they got a Rose Bowl, they got a Sugar Bowl.
(01:51:00):
Think it was a good run. I don't think it
was the best. I think you I don't. It's weird
because you want to say, like Oregon probably had a
better run than they did, maybe make the argument that
it was close, but you did have You do have
to factor in the Jimmy Lake year, and I think
that gives the edge to Oregon and the fact that
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you know they Sark had this you know, seven wins,
seven wins, eight wins, and then Peterson also had a
seven win years. So it's probably Oregon as far as
the best team of the Pac twelve era, but Washington.
Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Because there four times and Washington won at three. USC
only won at once. In the back twelve era, Stanford
run it twice and Utah won it twice. End the story.
Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Yeah, best year is is easy. Second best year would
be the fun debate because I think it could go
on forever. Worst year feels like the Jimmy Lake year.
But they were pretty pissed off on Sary raft and
I know they went eight and six the next year
(01:52:12):
four and five in conference, but they were they spent.
I remember them spending all of twenty fourteen pretty salty.
Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Oh hell yeah, Bro, they were big man, big mad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
So what about so is best player? Do you have
to ignore all those defensive studs to say Pennis or
a Donza because they went fourteen and won this year?
Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
I am going to ignore the defensive guys, not because
they shouldn't be in consideration, but just because it's very
hard to put a defensive guy and quantify his impact
compared to a quarterback. And Michael Pennock junior, Like, this
was a program potentially changing time if Kaylin de Boor
had stayed, but now it's a reset, which is crazy,
(01:53:08):
like to think that they were in this position. I mean,
it's got to feel like this is way worse, one
hundred times worse than what it was for Oregon fans
when Taggert and Cristal Ball left, because you felt like
you were in bro. I'm telling you because people liked
(01:53:30):
Crystal Ball, but it was also frustrating to watch him
because even though on paper their teams would be more talented,
you wouldn't blow people out and you would lose games.
They'd be closer than you won and all that stuff,
and like if Dan left, this is what it would
feel like for Oregon fans what it felt like with
Kayln de boor because for Washington fans, even though you
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weren't one hundred percent sure about his recruiting, you were
sure about his coaching.
Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Yeah, you want to coach dude, for sure. And will
remind people that in the early years of this podcast,
we hated that man because of what he was doing
to pack twelve teams while at Fresno. But yeah he was.
He's a special guy, and I think that that brings
(01:54:19):
up the next question. They've got Jetfish yep, proven program
rebuilder yep. But they got to switch conferences while breaking
in a new head coach and trying to retain what
they can of the roster. Would you put them above
(01:54:42):
or below USC in confidence moving into the Big ten?
Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I am putting them Ooh, I am putting them above USC.
Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
They got Will Rogers. Huh they got Will Rogers. Yeah,
they got him to come back. Bringing demand Williams from
being committed to Arizona to being committed to Washington could.
Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Be yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
On the line.
Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
They found a way to recruit guys who would block
and run and all of this stuff at Arizona washing
him with the resources and shouldn't be able to do better.
Like I'm more encouraged, and like I just don't. And
with USC Lincoln Riley's obviously a really good offensive coach,
(01:55:40):
He's got to get to running the ball a little
bit more like he's got to do a little reset
on offense as well as the defense. So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
I feel like Kaylen de Bor is a better coach
than Jedfish, But I feel like, if you're gonna lose
Kaylen de Bor, maybe one of the best things that
could have happened to you is getting Jetfish. And if
any Arizona fans are still listening to this, I'm sorry,
but he was a good coach, and you know he was,
or you wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Mad, correct, bingo bingo buddy, Yeah right, you wouldn't give
a damn.
Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
That brings us to the weirdest Pac twelve run of
any team, the most nonsense by far, spent a year
competing to go to the national championship, also had some
absolute stinkers. Lost a coach for being the same religion
(01:56:41):
as his boss, but claiming that the religion told him
to do something different than his boss wanted him to
do and the state wanted.
Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Him to do.
Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Yeah, it is possibly the most bizarre tenure Washington State.
Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Oh yeah with Nick Rolovich. Yep, yep, yep. I lost
a friend over this, which is which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Over over, like somebody who worked at Washington State.
Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Yeah and so and so. Now they're sitting there with
Jake Dickard and they have not had I mean, like
the Mike Leech years look like the golden years right now,
I mean, aside from the Mike Price years. Yes, this
(01:57:29):
looks amazing, the nine eight, nine eleven wins. He figured
something something out and now with them not heading into
a conference, I just don't know how. I don't know, man,
This this just I don't know what the future looks
like for them.
Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
I hate I definitely hate it for them. They also
are going to look back on the PAC twelve era,
and I think it interestingly because they got screwed. Okay,
so let's say that you're on Nick Rolovic's side. You
believe that you got screwed three times. You got screwed
(01:58:12):
out of the opportunity to compete for the college football playoff,
by the conference, by the conference, you got screwed out
of your head coach, depending on what you believe there
in Nick Rolovich, and you got screwed out of being
in any conference at all based on the breakup of
(01:58:33):
the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Yeah, that's nasty work. Bro mm hmm. I mean that's
really that's that's nasty work. And when you look at
their schedule for twenty twenty four, they start out with
Portland State, then they got Texas Tech, Washington with the
Apple Cup, San Jose State at Oregon State, San Diego State,
(01:58:58):
Boise State, Fresnos State, New Mexico, Hawaii, Utah State, and Wyoming.
I just don't know how their fans stay engaged past
the beginning of the season, because you're not used to.
After the Oregon State game, then San Diego State, Boise State,
(01:59:19):
Fresno State, New Mexico. Like, even if they win all
of those games, is it gonna feel good.
Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
You're just always gonna be reminded that everybody left without you.
Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Yep, and you're still trying trying to find a home.
Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Yeah. That makes Roto I feel I do be and
I feel so bad and I it isn't like I
just I kind of feel like they got screwed. And
I feel the same way for for Oregon State. But
I look at the other things that happened to Washington
State while they were in the conference. Now, it wasn't
all bad. Refs gave them a fifth down and they
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beat Arizona State with it, So I don't know if
that's a good trade off. That definitely helped them, but
it I mean, I don't know, I don't It's one
of those things where we talk about, like how do
you feel about them moving forward? I don't even know
if they're going to be able to get the talent anymore,
and like if you to.
Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
Make these runs like this, Yeah, yeah, I think that
that part of it is going to be very tough.
Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
How does the Pac two factor into the auto bids?
Would you consider if Washington State went eleven and one,
are they then the top group of five team and
then they get the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
That's a good question. That's a legitimate question. Are they
the top group of five team? Because that is damn
I would say the answer to that is yes, yeah.
Could you can't call them a Power five anymore?
Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
All right, ultimate ultimate debate question because they didn't actually
have that. I think this is what made Mike Leach's
tenures so special. They didn't actually have a ton of
really good players. They had some stat pop pop in quarterbacks.
And to me, it comes down to Luke Falk or
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Gardner Minshew, and you can't factor in any NFL anything.
Gardner Minshew had the best individual year team success wise.
Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Yeah, But when I.
Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Think of Washington State, I think of Luke.
Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Falk because he was Yeah, his numbers were gotti bro,
his numbers were gotty and incredible.
Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
Fourteen four hundred and eighty one yards, one hundred and
nineteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
Yeah, and that offense is actually harder to score in
the in the red zone than it is during the
rest of the field.
Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
Yeah. Respect, I get respect to Gardner Minshew, but I
when I when I think of Washington State, it's Luke
Falk and that's that's it. To me. I think of
the Leech era and I think of Luke Falk, and
I think of the fact that like every single year
when they came to town, you knew he was going
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to put four fifty on you.
Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Yep, yeah, yeah, And the only people that could stop them,
Well that could stop that air ray was the was
was Cal was Cal and Washington were the only defenses
that figured out how to how to do it, and
it was the.
Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
Way Weddingham fits. Yeah, all right, more fun challenge, More
fun challenge. Best defensive player of the of the Washington
State PAC twelve era and is the Hercules?
Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
Uh yeah, yeah, the d lineman Hercules. I forgot his
last name.
Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
That that that'll go right there. I remember, I'll say
day on Buchanan, even though I think he probably was
just first round pick based off measurables. But yeah, man,
the stuff that Washington State was able to accomplish with
Mike Leach, with the level of talent they had. You
gotta and Mike Leach used to drive me nuts blaming
everything on everybody, but you look back to talent he
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had him. Maybe he was right, Maybe he was right
to be trashing as players all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
We got too fat and happy end and titled.
Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
Then yeah, well that brings us to to the end. Man,
favorite PAC twelve memory for you?
Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
Ooh, it's got to be PAC twelve after Dark, Okay,
just because of the instability that it caused and how
everybody knew it was a real thing and that you
couldn't trust. You couldn't trust the number one team in
the nation versus you know, the worst team in the
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conference on a Friday night or a Thursday night or
a Saturday seven thirty eight o'clock kick. You couldn't trust it.
Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
Yeah, I tell you what I'm gonna miss so much
about it, Ashley, Yogi, Mike, some of these coaches. Man,
I'll tell you my best my favorite pack to a memory.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
Twenty nineteen Packed twelve Media Day.
Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
Why Why is that?
Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
Because I told you I was thinking about starting a podcast,
and you said, I'll be your first guest, And we
sat down on a couch and recorded the first episode
right there, and it went so well that we were like,
why don't we just co host?
Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Yep? Oh, yes exactly. Yeah, because a me being your
first guest turned into us doing a podcast together.
Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
Yeah, because I told you. I was like, I offered
it to Yahoo and they don't want it, and You're like,
do it anyway. And so with a handheld recorder, we
made our first show maybe twenty yards from Larry Scott
from Rick new Heizel to a people that were sitting
in the media room. And yeah, man, I'm glad. I'm
glad that they happened.
Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
For sure, Me too, man, me too, and for more
reasons than just the PAC twelve apostles, our friendship and
everything else along along the way. But you guys, though,
you guys can hit us up with your favorite PAC
twelve memory, Oh Ralph. What we do have to do
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is there were people who tweeted some stuff to us.
Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
Yep, that is true. I will let me pull that
up right now. Promise that I would read it out loud.
Don't want to break a prompt us on the way out,
do we?
Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
No way?
Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
All right?
Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
Okay? So I see one from the best PAC twelve moments,
and this was from Alan Shuebridge. He said he has
too the twenty fifteen Rose Bowl, great game, Gape, great
weather to see Mariota in person. Also, the ninety four
to ninety five men's basketball season was his first year
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at Uo went to every game at Matt Court, saw
him beating number two years UCLA. Played pickup games with
some of the team that year. Fun times. He said,
I lived a block away from Matt Court, loved that place.
Scoreboard would shake and the noise was unbelievable. Years later,
I saw Luke Jackson score thirty one of Uo's last
thirty three points. I was watching that game, including twenty
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eight in a row against Colorado and A and it
most dominant in person performance that I've seen. And dude,
that was a time like Matt Court is one of
the most unbelievable places in the in the to watch
basketball period.
Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
Yeah, definitely better than the busy basketball court y'all have.
Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Now, Man, that thing now is it's it's it's something.
Speaker 3 (02:07:19):
My team lost to your team there last night, and
I felt like it was a loss before tipoff because
I had to stare at the floor. Uh well, I'm
gonna read Jacob Saligas to you. I think there's a
the troll comment. But my favorite moments include Diere not
being down, I Uke's eighty one yard bomb to ice
the Oregon upset, the Khalil Tate game versus Colorado, Mariota
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versus Barkley in twenty twelve, and many more.
Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
Wow, that's nasty work. That's praying. How somebody's downfall right there? Bro,
we actually got this far.
Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
In the final episode of Pack twelve Apostles Withoutklill Tate's
name being said, I love that, dude.
Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
Yes, that was the original bit Khalil Tate Amson.
Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
Yeah, he's awesome. Ariana Greeney My favorite PAC twelve memories
the PAC twelve Championship ASU hosted. I believe that was
against Andrew Luck. Even though we lost, the stadium was
electric and it was a great way to end my
first season covering college football. And then Solar Junkie my
first ASU game in Eric Guildford's muff punt that he
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picked up and took to the house against U of
A in nineteen ninety one. They broke the streak. My
mom was an X ray tech at Desert Sam and
scored those tickets from an er doc.
Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:08:36):
I love how many details people remember from like their
first Yeah, like games they go to and some yeah
from their first time. And then Brad Denny says he's
still not over your anti chocolate and peanut butter take,
which did come out through the course of making these podcasts.
Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
Oh yeah, and we should. I should definitely re revisit
that on the way back. So I have visited the
chocolate and peanut butter take, Ralph, I have revisited it,
and after careful reconsideration and recalibration and you know, just
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really just taking stock and everything. I will say that
chocolate and peanut butter is still ass.
Speaker 3 (02:09:24):
I saw that coming. I can't believe I didn cut
you off. Oh my god. All right, we might as
well in there with the worst take of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
Yep, good night friends.
Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
We'll see you in a couple of weeks as a
completely different thing.
Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
I suppose, yes, yes, love it and uh, you guys,
appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. Peace out, Catch you guys.
As college football apostles
Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Y