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October 3, 2024 77 mins

On this week's episode of the College Football Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden talk about SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey's comments about not wanting a college football commissioner because it would devalue the SEC.
Also, a group spearheaded by Jimmy Haslam is seeking to create a super league that takes over or the NCAA once the current TV rights contracts expire- good idea or bad idea?
George and Ralph take sides in the war of words between college football reporters Nicole Auerbach and Brett McMurphy, and discuss whether the new Pac-12 adding Gonzaga for basketball will be what is needed to convince Memphis to take all their sports to the Pac-12. 
The NCAA just issued its full report about Antonio Pierce's involvement in the scandal that took down nearly half of Herm Edwards assistants at Arizona State back in 2021- what are the details, and how is Ralph feeling as an Arizona State alum?
Finally, the guys give their picks in Michigan at Washington, Missouri at Texas A&M, Ole Miss at South Carolina, Miami at Cal, and SMU at Louisville. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Unafraid Show Daily Live College Football Apostles.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's your boy, George Riister.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
That's that man, Ralph Amsden right there, and thank you
guys for joining us again.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Today's show is hot and heavy. Ralph.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I don't know if you can see the steam coming
off of Ralph's head, but there is steam coming off
of his head. Because the ASU allegations with Antonio Piers
and all sorts of guys that I played with in
the NFL and against oh Man, this is crazy. Greg
Sanki he makes comments about the Super Team League, and

(00:41):
this is exactly why we need a college football commissioner
is because of what Greg Sankie said. Lincoln Riley talks
about eligibility and how many years that players will should
have being that we have all sorts of guys talking
about sitting out red shirtan and all of this, and
I think he makes sense the new Super Team League.

(01:04):
And how about feud. I love when people in the
media start feuding, because this is the new beef.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know, we used to have rap beefs.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
We just had Kendrick Drake, but now it is media
members going at each other. Oh and this time is
Nicole ahurback and Brett McMurphy, two people. I love their work,
but we are here for all the drama and the
Pac twelve new basketball league with Gonzaga and Grand Canyon

(01:34):
University and maybe Memphis and uh, of course we have
to talk about which new undefeateds are legit and we
got games this weekend. This is a jam packed show.
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Speaker 2 (02:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:09):
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Speaker 2 (02:15):
Are you ready to go, Ralph?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
He's mad. We're gonna get to the ASU think in
a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
But I wanted to start with Greg Sankey's comments because
Greg Sanki the commissioner of the SEC. He was asked,
well to go back to last week's show just a
little bit. The Big ten and the SEC. We're having
a meeting and having a powow about and they didn't

(02:44):
invite the Big Ten. I'm sorry they didn't invite the
ACC didn't invite the Big twelve, because this is the
big Dog's talking. And what they decided. What the news
that came out of that was is that YO, with
this new fourteen team playoff, we want foot guaranteed four
spots for the Big Ten and for the SEC.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's what we want.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
And Greg Sanki was talking also talking about the idea
of a college football commissioner, and he said, quote, I've
studied it a little bit, and I come back to
I don't want to dumb down the Southeastern Conference to
be part of some super league notion with seventy teams
that people speculate what would happen. They want to be us,

(03:29):
and that's on them to figure it out, not on
me to bring myself back down to earth. Ooh, he
was like, and so I gotta unpacked, and we gotta
unpack this statement, Ralph, because this led me down. I
was like, this is exactly why we need a commissioner

(03:50):
in college football. This what Greg Sankie said. It exposed
it's the problem when we complain about the SEC and
eight conference games. This is what This is the reason why,
because he knows it is a distinct advantage. And we
are college football fans, we love college football and the

(04:12):
but a commissioner is tasked with doing what's best for
college football. Each individual school they are mercenaries and that
are part of a conference. So each school is trying
to do something. It's crabs in a bucket to keep
everybody else down and keep themselves up. Each conference the
same thing, hold the other conferences down while you stay up.

(04:35):
But in reality, is that what's best for college football?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Is it best for college football that Vandy never ever
ever has a chance to win the SEC? Is it
better that Rutgers won't win the Big Ten?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
What's better for college football is when you have competition.
It's no different in business, it is no different in
getting better. Just in general and athletics, competition matters. And
he just exposed the fact that the SEC is trying
to stay on top and that it is not what's

(05:15):
best for college football. In fact, it's not even best
for the SEC. It's best for Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and
any other team with a historical situation. Is not best
for Missouri, not best for Vandy not best for pretty
much anybody except for the elites. And we can't have
that because the NFL model is the right model.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah. When I was typing up the outline to send
to you, I kept typing Greg Sanki and my autocorrect
kept changing it to snaky apropriate. Here's who Greg Sanki
thinks he is. Greg Sanki thinks that he is Kareem Abdulgaba.
That's what he thinks. In nineteen sixty seven, the NCAA

(06:05):
band dunking.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah because of because one dude.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, because of one dude, right, and that rule stayed
in place for nine years. Now, what happened because of
that is Louel Sender at the time. Then Kareem abdul
Jabbar developed the skyhook and was the NBA scoring champion
for like fifty years. That I mean that, that's the
evolution that came out of that. But he thinks he's Kareem.

(06:33):
But the truth of the matter is it's he doesn't
want to have to play by the same rules as
as everybody else because he's afraid.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yep, this is actually fear.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
He's just Greg sink He's just a scared little boy,
because if he had to have nine conference games, he
calls that dumbing the SEC down. The SEC teams playing
each other is dumbing the SEC down.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yes, big like uh Ralph, because that would mean and
we've done a whole study on this, is that playing
eight conference games versus playing nine conference games is a
difference of a half of loss more per team. So
you have an average of four losses per team with

(07:19):
eight conference games that have to be spread out throughout
the conference. However it happens, some people are going to
go undefeated, some are going to go lose all their
conference games, and you know, and everybody in between.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It is four and.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
A half game, four and a half losses per team.
So in a sixteen team league, that is an additional
eight losses that have to be spread out. And that's
the difference in HMM Bowl eligibility for a couple of teams.
That's the difference between college football playoff spots. That's the difference.

(07:53):
And he knows that, and people have been fooled into
believing that the conference, which has been rate at the top,
Like I don't want to sound like that, persons AC
is overrated. No, the idea that the SEC is so
great from top to bottom. No, they've just had the
very best team in college football more than other people have.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
And they I mean they are they are if if
you know, let's say that the you just played by
NBA rules here, the Western Conference is better than the
Eastern Conference. But it doesn't have it. It isn't what
you think it is, right, like you don't. There isn't
like a Western Conference commissioner that gets to take credit

(08:40):
for the fact that, like so many Eastern Conference teams
have been mired in mediocrity, and so many Eastern Conference
cities aren't where basketball players want to be. You know
that it has nothing to do with anything. Like the
SEC has a natural advantage in that it has access
and now especially with the inclusion of tech UH in Texas,

(09:01):
A and M. It has access to Florida, it has
access to Georgia, it has access to Alabama, it has
as access to Texas and Tennessee in North Carolina. It's
got all of them. Yeah, Louisiana, all these places where
where high school football is incredible, where the athletes are incredible.
Good for you, Good for you that you have all that,
But trying to take credit that it was like your

(09:21):
leadership or something like that. The whole thing is like,
bring me back down to earth, like I'm the I'm
the superstar, I'm the send it figure of all this. Greg,
I gotta tell you somebody, they don't need you at
all to be the best in football.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You didn't.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You didn't help Alabama win. You didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You didn't.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
You're not helping anybody win these big games. You're not
the one playing on the field. You have set up
a system where it's a little bit easier for the
rich to stay rich. That's it, and it not not
to be like it's not political like we need to
get billionaires to pay their fair share. It's not like
that at all. It's just if we're gonna call college

(10:01):
football college football, there should be some standard rules. And
instead college football is starting to look more like professional boxing,
where you've got like a WBO title and then a
different title and then all of these different weight classes. Meanwhile,
that UFC eclipses boxing and popularity because it's got a
unifying body yep, and they just.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Run in their bed fight that people want to see.
And Ralph, that is a great example comparing it to boxing.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Dude, you and you create opportunities for corruption. You create
opportunities for guys like Greg Sankee to get in there
and be the Bob Aram and say no, it's only
gonna happen the way that I want it to happen.
It reminds me, and I know we're on opposite sides
of this, but it reminds me of Floyd Mayweather spending
six years saying, you know, no, I want three extra

(10:52):
things if I'm gonna fight Manny Pacquiao, I want three
extra things that aren't in the rules, if I'm gonna
do this. A unifying body would not have let Floyd
may Whether do that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Or it would have made it it was Oh, if
it was Dana White, they would have fought a long
time ago. And if it was a drug testing issue
or whatever it was, would have been solved and they
would have fought.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
No, Dana White would have had his goons hold you
down so he could cut you take your blood himself
like that. And that's what And so I understand that
Greg Sankie probably thought that he felt like he probably
felt like Shuge Knight when that came out of his mouth.
He's probably feeling himself. But he comes off like a
scared little boy. He really does. It's not what you
think it is. It's not what you think it is

(11:37):
that you have your team's playing Mercer and Tennessee Tech
in the Citadel and Chattanooga in November.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
That and that's what I'm saying, rough, is that that's
not what's best for college football. We only get twelve
opportunities to watch our teams play, to watch college football, guarantee,
and why on Earth? And I do understand the concept
of buy games and we support that, but there should

(12:04):
not be more than two of.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Them, and they shouldn't come in November.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Correct, because them coming so late in the season messes
up the rankings and the evaluation process of teams.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
So well, and the FCS teams that have to go
to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
But first they got to worry about trying to block
Walter Nolan, Like come on, man.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, no, it's a it's a bad it's a bad setup.
It's a bad deal, and this needs to be fixed.
And this is exactly why college football needs a commissioner.
They need somebody in charge. And maybe I'm that person
at some point point in time because what I'm and

(12:45):
this is where the NFL gets it right. And I
know that college football fans, and honestly, I would hate
it too if Oregon has to go through these cycles
of being really good and then oh oh, we we
are missed on a couple recruiting classes and now we
suck again. And I'm not The NFL model is built

(13:07):
where Okay, the Baltimore Ravens, they if Lamar Jackson starts
and finishes a season, they go to the playoffs. Same
thing with the Kansas City Chiefs. That's not the same
thing for Joe Joe Burrow and the Bengals. It's not
the same for other teams where they have these fluctuations.
The Giants and the Seahawks made the playoffs a couple

(13:29):
of years ago. The Giants have been bad since. And
that's actually better for the sport to have more competition
and to have, you know, like what you have in
baseball where the the have nots, Like the Tigers just
won a series the in the in baseball after being

(13:50):
sellers at the trade that line, the Kansas City Royals
are in the playoffs. They're like, these are things that
are actually better for the sport overall. But speaking of
better for overall, for the sport. What did you think
about Lincoln Riley's comments that five that in terms of
the eligibility that not players where there was the players

(14:13):
get six years to play five or that he said
that you should get five years to play college football period.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You can.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
You can play as much as you want, as little
as you want, whatever, trying to worry about red shirt
rules and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I actually loved it.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I loved what Lincoln Riley had to say right there
because I thought it was smart, Like why are we
worried about red shirts and all of this stuff. Just
give them a standard time to play if you get
injured like Cam McCormick, and we gotta grant you extra
years and all of that. Okay, cool, but it should
be just a standard. You know, five years to play

(14:56):
five that's it. If you play every single game as
a freshman. So what because as a team, why should
the team have to try to manage like for instance,
Oregon was playing Ucla this weekend. Dante Moore played at UCLA,
so at the end of the game they brought novasad
in at quarterback instead of Dante Moore, And people wonder

(15:19):
why being that Dante Moore is the second string quarterback.
It's because Dante Moore has already played in one game,
so he has three more games that he can play
in and still preserve his red shirt. So if something
happens to Dylan Gabriel and he's got to miss a
game or two, you don't want five. You don't want

(15:39):
ten snaps in meaningless football to then burn his red
shirt and turn him into a sophomore and then he'll
be a junior next year as opposed to potentially getting
them for three years. So I think that Lincoln Riley
is one hundred percent right.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna read. I'll read the quote he said.
Lincoln Riley said, I think guys should have five years
to do whatever you want, play as much or as
little as you want. And the only way you get
an extra one is if you have two season ending
injuries and miss the whole season. I love the first
part of it. I love five years, yeah, but like,
you can't have a season ending injury and miss the

(16:20):
whole season. A season ending injury implies that you played
part of the season and then got hurt. So if
you get hurt in Game two, you can miss the
majority of a season. So I don't know, what do
you think about this, fifty games, fifty games or age

(16:43):
twenty four?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
See, I'm not going to age people out only because well.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
You have like military exceptions, missionary exception.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, but if you have people who like so like
Jayden rashaw Right he turned twenty his true freshman year, yeah,
that would still give him four or five years.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I guess the five years thing does make sense. But
I almost wonder if it's if you put a game
limit on it, right like so, because if somebody comes
in and they make a fifteen game run playing as
a true freshman to the natty, and then they turn
around and do it again, they use thirty games in
their first two two years.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now you got twenty twenty games left. See I okay.
So I learned this when I was going through custody
situations right where where we went to family court and
all of this.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Number one, the thing that makes it easier is when
both parties say, let's do what's best for the actual
kids and stop getting in our own way.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So that's the first thing. But the second most important thing.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Is, and here's the mistake that we made the first time,
is we made all of these intricate details. Okay, what
happens if if he or she is late fifteen minutes
picking up the kids, then you lose your day or
you do this, and you create all of these intricate

(18:23):
rules that then once you get into actual application in
real life, now you've got to put patches on all
these things because you realize that you can't actually fulfill
all of these things. Because what happens if you get
a flat tire, What happens if there's if the freeway
is blocked, what happens if a flight's late. You know,

(18:46):
what happens if school is out on this day but
then not on this day. And what happens if there's
a fire, alarm or an earthquake, you know what I mean? Like, so, yeah,
once you make the rules so tight, you cause more
room for exceptions, and I think that you have to

(19:08):
make common sense rules and have a figure in charge
that's like, okay, yes, I know that this doesn't like
that week need to be more spirit of the law
and create letters of the law, but then create some
spirit around it as well.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, that makes sense. So if you were just to
say five years with if you get an injury waiver.
You can have a sixth yep, if you were to
do something like that, that would really simplify it. I'm
gonna throw another one out there for you. And I
think this one might be unenforceable or create lawsuits or
something like that, but I believe it. It's a kill

(19:47):
two birds with one stone thing. If you are a
running back. If you are a running back, you can
come out after two years.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
What do you think that, I'm not mad.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
We already have an issue it is. It is the
position that ages out the soonest.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yes, well see see that's not a NCAA rule, that's
an NFL rule. So the NFL says that you're not
draft eligible until after three years. Uh well sorry, well yes,
three years removed from your high school graduating class. So

(20:37):
so technically a kid who goes on his Mormon mission,
I think is eligible if he goes for two years.
I think he's eligible after his freshman year because your
three years removed from your high school graduating class, Like,
you don't actually have to play three years of college football.
You My understanding of the rule is that it's three

(20:59):
years removed from your high school graduating class.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And okay, because I remember do you remember Eric Swan Uh?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yes, And then there was a koy A kid too
who got drafted at.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Like because he started college at fifteen.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, So that just goes to show you the NFL
rule is not based on age, because Ryan Williams could
be drafted out of Alabama at like nineteen years old technically.
So I don't know, I just that's the So the
five years thing, I think is a good idea. But
also if they could come to some agreement because it's

(21:42):
the running back position has had all these issues at
the NFL level regarding commensation with you gave them an
extra year to get compensated. You don't know how the
NCAA would feel about that. I don't even know if
they have any ability to block it. I don't think
they would. But that's another change that I would like
to see is that if somebody, if somebody has two
years in college football as a running back, then you

(22:04):
know they can go. But I don't know, maybe that
creates more issues. Maybe I'm just trying to mouddy it up.
I'm like pork trying to get something into the bill
to pass that.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like North Carolina, you you are trying to block trans
athletes and then you end up stopping everybody's nil money.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Good job, Ralph, Yeah, good job.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
If you're curious about that one, definitely go to Unaffraid Show.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
We have a video on that, yeah, because I know
people are like, wait, what, yes, yes, just just search
North Carolina on Unafraid Show. All right, So Nicole Aurback
put out a tweet and and this was about the

(22:48):
and this was a press release from a group called
the Sports College Sports Tomorrow that proposed the formation of
a college student football league which would be the top
seventy two FBS teams and that they would be in it.
So and essentially, this is a league where it's a

(23:10):
it's a super conference. And this is what Greg Sankee
was against. Now, on its face, I love it, and honestly,
it's actually better for the individual schools because when you
have teams trying to get in conferences, talking about partial shares,
fool shares, all of this stuff. The reason why the
NFL makes so much money and there's money available for everybody,

(23:34):
which remember, all these schools will be like, well, Alabama
has money, Oregon has money. You know, Oregon State doesn't
have the money. There are I mean in comparison to themselves.
But Oregon State has more money than UC Davis or
you know what I mean, than all these schools. So
imagine this. Imagine a world where the SEC, the Big Ten,

(23:57):
the ACC, the Big two, Notre Dame, and you know
the other independence that when they go to Fox, ESPN, CBS,
every other NETCW, every other network, NBC, and they say, listen,

(24:18):
we have ten years of media rights available.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
If they negotiated those rights together, they would get more money.
As much money as the SEC and the Big ten
are getting now. It would be more per team if
they negotiated it together, because then you can do a
whole Imagine this a red zone for college football, Oh

(24:48):
my god, where you can just buy all of the
games together, and then that sends the revenue up further.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh oh my god.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
They can control all the commercials, the advertisement and now
you can sell advertisements two people across all the games.
So now you're gonna be able to charge advertised more
for advertising. Ralph, this is the part that makes no sense.
This is where it is crabs in a bucket. This

(25:22):
is actually a super team. A super conference is actually
better for everybody, but it's not better for the elites, which.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Is why I guess it explains why there's University of
Tennessee's fingerprints all over this. I'm not trying to insult
University of Tennessee, but they're like, what the fifth best
SEC team over the last twenty thirty years. They got
their nineteen ninety eight title. But if you look at
if you look at the people that are listed as

(25:57):
part of this, you've got d and Jimmy Haslam. Jimmy
Haslam is the uh. He is the owner of the
Cleveland Browns. He is a crook, a right guy scam
in America's truckers, trying to pay bribes to facilitate the
sale of pilot to Bircher Hathaway. A long list of

(26:20):
him just being a just a crummy dude. I hope
he has to pay out every penny of that contract
he gave to the last quarterback he signed. But he's
also owner of the Milwaukee Bucks. And guess who else
is listed as a as a founding member of the
College Student Athlete League, Mark Lazari, another co owner of
the Milwaukee Bucks. There are I think there are like

(26:43):
twelve people that are listed that are part of this.
Another one of them is Danny White, the athletic director
for University of Tennessee. Yes, yeah, so, I don't know.
There's some interesting names on here. Uh and and it's
an interesting idea. Now, would I do any thing involving
involving Jimmy Haslem? That that's too well, it's twofold. It's twofold,

(27:08):
because what do you always say? Uh uh, everything's for sale?
Everything just ain't on sale? Yes, is that you're that
you're saying? Right? So, I'm I compared to Jimmy Haslem,
I'm I'm as broke as broke gets. I'm I'm living
in the slums of moon By compared to I'm sure

(27:29):
with one phone call he could convince me to endorse
this league.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Ralph, Ralph, if you get a two million dollar checker,
you're gonna be all in on this league.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I will, Oh my gosh, I'll get Grant Hill's face
tattooed over my face. Oh my gosh, No, it would.
But it is a decent idea. It is a decent idea.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh there.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
And and we we pride ourselves on being honesty, brokers
and all of that stuff. But in being an honesty broker,
you do have to admit that, like, all right there,
like you said, everything is not for sale, well everything's
not on sale. Well everything is for sale, but everything's
not on sale, So that there is like that this

(28:18):
is not something that's going to hurt people. So there
is a price where unafraid show could get behind this idea.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
But yeah, I mean, and you know me, I think
you can speak for me on this. If there's anybody
you know who doesn't care about money, it's probably me. However,
people keep asking me for this money that I don't
care about for my kids, saxophone lessons, for football equintment.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
So this thing I don't care about people keep asking
me for.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I'm starting to realize that there might be a reason
that other people do care about this thing. At the moment,
I am not on saye. But but yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure that I'm sure that if I saw something
with a bunch of zeros behind it, I might I
might get a little hypnotized.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But it's not a bad idea. Anything that facilitates being
able to sign student athletes into enforceable contracts where they
get to share in the revenue is something I'm going
to be more interested in than the current structure. Yep,
it is.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
It just happens to be that when I see Jimmy
Haslam's name on something, I'm like, gives you the it, Okay,
hide the yeah, hide the valuables. He's leaving here with something,
so you know, it makes me wonder what he thinks
he can get out of it. But I mean, this
man is like sixty five seventy years old, Like it's
you know, maybe maybe he actually does care about the

(29:49):
about the health, or maybe it's just all about University
of Tennessee because the University of Tennessee might believe that
all other things being equal, that they would just dominate everything.
And maybe they're right, look at their recruiting lately. But
I just I don't know. It is a it is
a very very interesting idea. Would you support this model

(30:10):
over the current NC double.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
A Yes, yes, pretty pretty much anything over anything that's
going to create a single league. I am in it
in some way, shape, form, or fashion. But it was
Nicole Arbak who I first saw that tweeted that out.
But her and Brett McMurphy have been in a fight

(30:33):
this week, and this is over technicalities.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
This is a journalist fight.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Because Brett McMurphy tweeted that Gonzaga was going to be joined.
I think he tweeted it on September twenty third, if
I'm not mistaken, that Gonzaga was going to be joining
the PAC twelve and all and everybody came out of
the woodwork, Oh they're not joining the PAC twelve and
ronious report. Oh look at this dummy in this idiot.

(31:01):
I mean, it was pretty much to that extent, right,
mm hmm it was.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
And yeah, you got everyone piled on John Rothstein, Canzano, Uh,
Nicole Airbach, they they all, they all jumped on him.
And Nicole has a has a previous beef with him
over the mel Tucker firing. So he said mel Tucker

(31:29):
is gonna get fired and she was like, well, he's
not fired yet.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
So it was the exact same situation.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Oh and oh yes, yeah, yeah, because he did tweet
Oh wait is mel Tucker fired yet? Because because so.
And the reason why that's a technicality is because in
a lot of these states, the way the coach's contracts
are set up is is that you can't immediately fire them,

(31:56):
even if even if they were caught on tape punching
his wife for or pushing a baby down the steps
or anything. You can't fire him immediately. You have to
essentially put them on leave. The same thing is true
in some police departments and other sectors of the world too,
where you can't fire them immediately even though everybody in

(32:16):
they mama knows that you're going to fire them. There's
a required cooling off period or whatever it's called in
certain states where you have to put them on leave,
and then once that seven days, ten days, fourteen days,
twenty one days, whatever the requirement is, is fulfilled, then
they terminate the person. So and I don't know what

(32:40):
the mechanism, I mean, the reason for that is, but
that's the reason why it actually happens. But this beef
between the two of them over technicalities is interesting because
she's like, well, the whole point of this is were
you right at the time? And I would say that

(33:00):
Brett was right at the time, it just wasn't finalized.
And like, have you guys ever noticed that we get
these interesting that we get these very interesting tweets from
like Feldman, who when somebody is taking a job he tweets,

(33:24):
oh it looks like Oregon is considering hiring Dan Lanning
and then an hour later Oregon's hiring Dan Lanning. Like
so he words it very interesting, but he but he
won't tweet it until it's done, essentially.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, or like WOJ would be like it looks like
the seventy six ers have zeroed in on Ben Simmons, Yeah,
or something like that, like zeroed in on but they
didn't make the selection right, correct.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I like the people who say something. That's the
reason why I like Brett McMurphy. Think he does a
great job and you know, and he's not afraid to
tackle them, to tackle people. Just why I like Pete
Damil because he will go after even people Ralph that
that he has to get breaking news from.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah. And what this feels like to me is it
feels like it feels like religion. Right, it feels like
Protestants arguing with other Protestants, and you know the difference
between Baptists and Methodists. This is the church of journalism.
And technically Nicole Arbach is correct, like you don't report
something has happened until it has happened. But the problem
is that's not what Brett McMurphy did in this instance,

(34:37):
he said, Gonzaga is leaving, which is a like a
future tense thing, And it really felt like she was
probably still mad about the mel Tucker thing and brought
it up again. You know, they were going back and forth.
But it wasn't just her that that when you know,
on this whole Gonzaga thing, and the thing that made
it really funny is Nicole Arbach took a shot at

(34:58):
Brett McMurphy said, why don't you go back to wishing
coaches happy birthday? Right, Like, why don't you go back
to sucking up to get your scoops. The funny thing
is one of the people that went after Brett McMurphy
for filing this report that Gonzaga was going to the
PAC twelve was John Rothstein. And John Rothstein's emails all
got linked leaked and his text all got leaked, and

(35:21):
he wishes every coach in America happy birthday, to stay
in constant communication with them for scoops. So even the
people who were on Nicole Arbox's side of this practice
some of the things that she talked about, I'm sure
she's friendly with some of her sources.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yes, do you realize how crazy that that is and
how diabolical it is. Ralph, If I only text you
when I need something or when I want something, how
are you going to react after the first couple of times.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I'm I'm gonna feel like a lady of the night.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
So you can't just have people feel like you just hey, hey, hey,
bend over.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, no, hey I'm here today.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
No, man, you there's a certain element of it's not
sucking up, it's just oh, okay, cool, I had an it.
You have to create moments of interactions with people that
aren't when you need something.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, it feels What's what's crazy is it kind of
feels like it mirrors. And I'm sure you've had some
of these conversations in your marriage when it's like, hey,
you know, your wife's like, hey, garbage disposal and you're like, yeah,
I'm on it. Now you are going to be on it.
But there's not a timetable there. Correct, You're just gonna

(36:45):
be on it.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You believe, you believe, you know that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
You're gonna get to it. And when she asks again
in three weeks and you say I'm on it, she
canna be like, no, you're not is it done? You know,
so like, yeah, technically she's right, but I'm on it.
It's happening, It's going to happen. I'm going to get
to it, you know. I'm sure that. I'm sure that
in Brett mc murphy's desire to be first on this information,

(37:08):
breaking this news that he believed would happen, you could
say yeah, but it's not official, so can you actually
say it? And I wonder if he had changed one
or two words to say like Gonzaga's planning on leaving
or whatever. But the interesting thing is how this is
going to affect the weird new version of the Pac twelve,
which is still going to have football but seems to

(37:29):
really be gearing itself toward basketball.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, so with the addition of Gonzaga, the possible addition
of Grand Canyon and Memphis, because the reports are now
that the teams that said they were staying in the
American or the Mountain West or whoever, that they.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Are considering that they're reconsidering.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And remember the Memphis ad was like, yo, the finances
didn't make sense, But now they trying to sweeten the deal.
And yeah, so I do believe that Memphis is getting
out of the American Big because they wanted out of
the American into the ACC or the Big twelve. They
didn't like that they got snubbed when the Big twelve

(38:09):
expansion happened, because that's where they really wanted to go.
A basketball league, the best basketball league in the country,
and you would be in a good spot in football,
your revenues would go up.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
They wanted that and they didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
And they're trying to figure out if the PAC twelve
is their next stepping stone to get to where they
really want to be.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
And the PAC twelve needs what one more football school
yep to remain.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, well they.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Have one more general member one, so it can't be
football only. It's got to be another general member in
all sports. Well obviously not all sports, but there's a
certain amount of sports that you have to because you know,
all schools don't have all sports.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
So yeah, the new PAC twelve feels to me like, uh,
I don't know. I went to see Earth Wind and
Fire and it was like one original member of like
an eleven person band. That's kind of what it feels

(39:20):
like to me. Or it feels like the new Marvel Avengers,
where you're like, wait a minute, Captain America's black now
and he's the Falcon, And Robert Downey Jr. Is a
different character, He's not iron Like.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, that's what the new PAC twelve feels like. But
it will be a viable basketball league if they can,
if they can get.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's the power five status without snatching up some of
that ACC talent when the ACC breaks up, if they're
gonna get the the what they really really want. But
now the thing, oh, Ralph, I can see the steme
has cooled from your head a little bit because we
have not talked about it, and we got all these

(40:03):
other directions. You had started to light up in your
in your face, but now we got to get to
the nitty gritty, buddy, and now I can see your
your your face is starting to turn red. And it
is because Arizona State new violations, which we knew about
already have been revealed, and people called us crazy. They're like, oh,

(40:27):
it's not that big of a deal. This this and
this and and all of that. Yeah, it should be
a big deal.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Do you want to explain to the listening audience who
might be new to college football? Apostles what our particular
history is with this story.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Oh oh, so, I said.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
So we were on the show and we tweeted out
that there, well, I tweeted out that there was going
to be bombshell allegations.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I put the the.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mushroom cloud, and it would have been if there were
like a commissioner. However, the way that this has bread
crumbed out over the years, because we have now found
out that one of the investigators passed away, so that
put a reset on the investigation.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
And we're forty months out. We're forty months out from
your tweet.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Damn those three years ago, almost four months ago, so.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And so, and now today we get the show caused
violation for eight year show cause for Antonio Pierce, who
I played with with the Giants where I had a
cup of coffee up there, known him for a while.
Oh my gosh, the wide receiver coach who he played
at Arizona State de Yeah, Derek Hagan, who I know, Well,

(41:57):
what do you get a ten year show cause?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And at what did Adam Brenneman get or is he
not in there?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, he's not listed anywhere in the report, so you
can assume what that means.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
And remember Adam Brenneman is Princess Gill in there.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So sway so out of the coaches that Arizona State
actually fired, the only one that's not in the report is.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Is Adam Brenneman, someone who happens to be a very
good storyteller in his current profession.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yes, oh so Adam Brennanman went so so he got immunity,
That's what I'm not subject. This is clear he went
in there and and granted I'm not mad at him
because Adam Brennanman's career is blossoming, and he was like

(43:01):
this appears to be a guy like that. And I
have to phrase this in a way that doesn't make
things just so obvious, but uh, there.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Is a.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Let's just say it's obvious that there's a reason why
he's not named in there when he clearly participated in
things that happened. I mean, this is just a natural assumption, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
And I will say this too for context. For context,
you won't see me beating up on Adam Brenneman. And
here's why he was the same age Cam Rising is
now when all this is going down.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, and he was and when you have somebody and
remember we talked about this about Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce
is not cut out to be a college coach. Is
he cut out to an NFL like the NFL because
you don't have these sorts of rules and recruiting violations
and all of this stuff. Because he's a by any
means necessary, I gotta do what I gotta do kind

(44:04):
of got that's suited for the NFL and the professional leagues.
So he's not suited for college football. And I would
say that to his face, considering that there are so
many rules and byo, you know, intricate things surrounding it,
that just ain't the place for him. He should be
in the NFL, which is where he is. But when

(44:31):
he was, the way that he was in power in
Arizona State and the way that they were forcing things
in and forcing people to do things that they knew
were going to could come back and bite him in
the ass or put their careers in jeopardy. And it
was okay because college football coaching is one of the

(44:54):
hardest professions to break into, period. So when you get
your foot in the door, you can't just be like no,
because because if you get fired as a GA or
quality control coach, how are you.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Gonna get another job?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
You got no reference?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah none.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
If that's your first job, that's gonna be your only
job if you get fired, and.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
You could hate the person you work for.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
And there's a there's a current position coach at University
of Arizona who worked at Arizona State. He's got a
kid in the NFL. He worked at Arizona State for
a year. He hated Todd Graham so much, hated that man,
hated him and still had to go out to all
these high schools and tell kids you got to come
play for Todd Graham. That's a spot to be because

(45:43):
that's an ager of the job.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That's an ague of the job.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
But what's what was very interesting in this case is
Herm Edwards gave Antonio Pierce his shot right, made him
a position coach, and within I'm imagining this happened pretty quickly,
Antonio Pierce noticed that Herm Edwards has literally no idea
what he's doing, no idea like mister Magoo style, no clue,

(46:07):
completely clueless, And it does not it does not upset
me that Antonio Pierce took the wheel because someone's got
to take the wheel. You have to in that situation,
you have to. So I don't blame Antonio Pearce for that,
But Antonio Pierce fired a bunch of Arizona State assistants,

(46:28):
one of which Charlie Fisher was a head coach at
a college program, stepped down to compy HERM Edwards wide
receivers coach, coached back to back first rounders in Nikhil
Harry and Brandon Ayuk, and then they fired him to
bring in Prentice Gill because Antonio Pierce realized, if I
give a bunch of people their very first gig, they

(46:49):
will have to be loyal to me. So a twenty
five year old Chris Hawkins, a twenty five year old
Adam Brenneman, Prentice Gill Hawkins.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
His dad runs Ground Zero, which is a big time
seven on seven program.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Hawkins talked, and I think he's his is still twenty
twenty eight, so it's a four year deal. Prentice Gil
talked and one of the things that they mentioned is
that Antonio Pierce told them if you get caught doing
any of this, it's cool. I'm rich. I'll take the fall.
I don't need this job anyway. But then when it
actually all went down and somebody sent a dossier to

(47:27):
the NCAA, which is how you know we found out
about it. We broke the news right before Pete Damil
and that was a mess, and I don't want to
relive that.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But it.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
When that all happened, they all lost their jobs, and
he stayed on for another year with his mouth shut
and let all them take the hit. So he did
not he And what's even crazier about this and you
can read it, it's sixty seven pages. They brought in
like thirty five recruits during COVID dead periods, took them
to the gun range, took them bowling, partied with him,

(48:01):
took Jade and Daniel's mom and the parents of her
recruit to a strip club, made one of the recruiting
staffers drive them there and be the designated driver. Flew
to Florida and visited with some kids and paid for stuff,
got one of the assistant equipment managers to give free
stuff to everybody. Unbeknownst to the equipment manager at the time,

(48:22):
that person got a heavy show cause Dereck Hagen refused
to testify on behalf. He got a longer show cause
than Antonio Pierce did. He got ten years. Zach Hill
got hit with one. He ended up having to go
to the high school level. You know Zach Hill. He's
with the Seahawks now. Antonio Pierce is obviously head coach
to the Raiders. Herm Edwards is on ESPN, where Pete

(48:44):
Thamil also works, who broke this story. It seems like
everybody made out fine except for those assistants who were
brought in to do Antonio Pierce's bidding. And then the
funniest part about this is in the dossier Herm Edwards
was like, yes, I met with recruits during COVID. I
only did it to talk to them about the dangers

(49:06):
of COVID. And it reminds me of that line from
The Simpsons of like I was only in there to
get directions on how to get away from there. You know,
I don't know it's anyway, it's super, super messy. It
has me pretty pissed off in Antonio Pearce that like, yes,
it's obvious you had to take the wheel because Herman

(49:27):
Edwards had no idea what he was doing. But you
should have some loyalty to the man that gave you
a shot, and you ruined his reputation. Not that he
deserved his reputation, he didn't, but you ruined his reputation.
And you messed over a lot of young people trying
to break in and you're not going to see any
consequences for it. And and that's extraordinarily unfortunate when you

(49:49):
look at how how the justice of this situation was
doled out, the penalties for Arizona State. I'm not bitter
or mad about it. I promise when you get caught,
you get caught. It is what it is. I'm mad
that he was so bad at cheating, so ridiculously brazen
about it, that there's no way he would have not
gotten caught.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Oh yeah, and okay, so as we so. Chris Cartman
from was it the Rivals, No though the two four
seven Arizona State, he tweeted about site. He tweeted about it,
and somebody responded, Yo, makes you wonder what the elite
schools are doing, and don't get caught. That's one way

(50:28):
to recruit, taking parents to a strip club class act.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
No, no wonder. He got the good players the uh well.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So in this dos in the in the breakdown I
guess they did get a sit down to the Antonio peers,
and a lot of the stuff he got in trouble
for was lying in these interviews because they already had
testimony from other people. But one of the things he
said is like, well everybody was doing it, so I
figured why not. And it's like, but you don't know,
you don't know that for sure. And so when this broke.

(50:59):
The funny thing about it was like David Sean knew
about it. Mario Christobal knew about it. Knew because I
talked to you, so I knew.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I talked to.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Mario Christabaal the day that I tweeted that right, talked
to him that that day, and he was like, we
all we all knew, Like we all knew what was
going on, that what Arizona State was doing during COVID,
they knew. And but the coaches aren't gonna dye each

(51:33):
other out. They're just like, okay, I see you, so
you know, so if I violate something, my double dog
dare you decide? I double dog dare you to say something?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
What's interesting is not. Adam Brenneman is not the only
name that's missing from this, but Dave Christensen, who Dave
Christensen was the offensive line coach, former head coach at Wyoming,
former O C at Missouri, like one of the originators
of the spread. He was the O line coach at
Arizona State, and he had Kevin Mawai working under him. Yeah,

(52:08):
Kevin Mawai played Jets and UH and for a year. Yeah,
he's a Hall of Fame center. They said. For years,
Arizona State told every single recruit Dave Christiansen is retiring
when you get to ASU, Kevin mcwaii is going to
be your coach. And then when it came time to
make that hiring decision, understanding that Antonio Pearce is in

(52:31):
charge of all hiring and firing at Arizona State because
again HERM Edwards magoo complete McGoo, no idea what's going on,
doesn't even know what day it is, right, So when
it comes time to make the decision to replace Dave
Christiansen with Kevin mawaii, who is another close personal friend
of HERM. Edwards, Antonio Pierce makes the decision that like, no,

(52:52):
we're not, We're not going to make that switch. We've
been telling everybody who's going to happen for years. Right,
So what they did instead is they hired somebody from
the NFL to come and replace Dave Christiensen. Well, that
person came, spent two weeks, two weeks, two weeks at
ASU and was like no, thank you, and took Kevin

(53:14):
Mwai back with him to the Indianapolis Colts. So the
program when all this broke, blamed Kevin Mwai and said,
this is definitely the dude who had to have dined
us out as like a vengeance thing. Yeah, but the
truth is there was like twenty people on staff who
all hated Antonio Pearce, and Dave Christiansen was one of them.

(53:37):
Dave Christiensen spent three years telling everybody that Kevin Mwai
was going to replace him, and Dave Christiansen retired right
around the time the dossier broke, drove straight to Salt
Lake City and hung out with his buddy Kyle Whittingham. Hmm. Interesting,
So it wasn't It wasn't Kevin Mwai. It was a

(53:57):
large group of people, which is how I found for me, buddy,
And I told you there was a large group of
people that hated Antonio Piers, hated that he had multiple
cell phones, hated that he went out and did a
bunch of self promotion and photo shoots. They knew that
he was bringing recruits in. They knew that he was
effectively stealing equipment and goods and committing NCUBA violations with him.

(54:18):
They knew he had an inappropriate relationship with a very
prominent player's parent who was paying for all of the visits,
and Antonio Pierce was was giving them that money in
cash to recuperate. Shout out to Regina Jackson. And they
also knew. They also knew above everything else that when

(54:39):
Asu hired Antonio Pierce, he was in deep, deep trouble
for one hundred cars going missing at his car dealerships.
So they knew all this and they were mad at
Antonio Pierce. It was only a matter of time before
you had a fracture because Herm Edwards wasn't controlling anything.
And in the DOSSI or in this NCAA report, it
says every week her Medwands would sit down with them

(55:01):
and say, make sure you are complying to a group
of people who were all cheating under his nose at
the hest of Antonio Peers.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, yeah, this is the uh yeah, and like herm.
Edwards looks better and better as this hap like. I
think that he was just too trusting.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
He's Grandpa handing out worthers. He was he he wasn't
to anything.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
He spent the whole first two years of his tenure
at Arizona State honoring his radio commitments. He was doing
radio hits about the Kansas City Chiefs. In Kansas City,
he was getting up at four thirty am to lift
to jazz music. He had no understanding of the time
commitment it was going to take to run a college program.
Somebody was going to have to take that over. And

(55:52):
Antonio Pierce made that decision, a business decision, we'll call it.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
You know, he was not good for business in the
long run for Arizona. The truth is they him I
But for Antonio Pierce, it worked. He's now the head
coach of the Raiders. So are you ever are you
ever gonna come out with your uh Antonio Peers related
conspiracy theory? Are we gonna hold that one in the

(56:18):
back pocket?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Now, we're gonna We're gonna We're gonna hold that one
in the back pocket? Fail? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, and the cold part is See, this
is why discretion is important because there are things that
me and Ralph talk about off camera off air that
are Let's let's take for instance, remember on when Lashawn

(56:48):
McCoy and the Seawan Dashawn Jackson they're on this podcast
together and Lashawn McCoy tells this story about out the
Kimbai Mutumbo and you know, some chick and he was
cheating on his wife and all of this stuff. That's

(57:09):
nasty work. I don't care what podcast that is nasty work.
That is despicable, low down dirty behavior. Especially like it's
different if you if you're like I'm telling this story
I love on moral high ground all the time.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
That ain't true.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
So so there are things that we talk about off
air that are not for public consumption because it's nasty
work like that. And so I have no and I'm
not talking about Arizona State in general. I'm just saying
just in general that there are things, as it relates
to college football and all of this stuff that we
keep close to the best, that we that are important

(57:50):
because that they're notable things and that people talk about
in the whispers. But these aren't things that you should
be you know, bringing up because it's just not it's
just not right. I think that there has to be
some sort of like boundaries about this thing. Even though
people do really want to know what's in the sausage factory,

(58:11):
sometimes you don't want to know what's in the sausage factory.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
So how do you feel about And because I'm I'm
a big Derrek Haagan fan. My wife had classes with
him at ASU. I was a big fan of his,
and yeah, but so he he this is his alma mater.
Right for everybody else involved, like Antonio Pierce went to
u of A. So for everybody else involved in this,

(58:36):
it wasn't necessarily like it was for Derrick Hagan, where
it was like, man, if I go and I talked
to the NC double A, it's going to make my
university look bad. So he eats a larger penalty than
everybody else. Do you respect that?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yes, dude, because h so, so do you remember when
Real Sports was doing the investigations on college football and
oh wait, whether it was Real Sports or you know,
they talk, oh guys getting paid and all of this stuff.
So I got so when I was in college, we
got investigated by the NC double A. Me Sammy Parker

(59:12):
Ontario Smith. We all had to talk to the NC
double A about some alleged like jerseys getting sold and
all of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And and then.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Fast forward years later to the real sports thing. I
get a call like, yo, do you want to come on?
Here's how much it's going to be. I'm like, listen,
I got nothing to say. I know nothing, like I
have nothing to say, and I do believe that that's
the way that Derek Hagan did it. Now, mind you,
I didn't have anything to say. Still don't have anything

(59:51):
to say. We'll never have anything to say about things,
especially things I do not know anything about, but so
speak on things that I have no knowledge of, but
of well you know so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
So I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Anyways, Yes, so I understand what Derek Hagan is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And because there's not a I don't know how much
money it would take for me to to like not
be able to go back to Oregon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Well, let's call jimmyas them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Well, and you know what, it was funny because I
saw this meme and it was talking about families and
it said Ralph, because you have siblings, so and a
brother in particular who is amazing. So it said, you
if you get five thousand dollars per week, but you

(01:00:54):
can't talk to your sibling for ten years, would you
take that money? And I sent it to my to
my sisters and they were like, George, would you would
you want me to take the money?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
That was the response back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
And then another one said that your mom has to
go to jail for a year or no, no, your yeah,
mom has to go to jail for a year, prison
for a year, but you get ten million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
What do you? What do you? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I was like, I'm gonna talk to my mom. My
mother would walk herself in jail and because she wouldn't
know when she got out in that year, my mother
would have ten million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I want you, I want you to present me with
either one of those two situations right now out Ralph, Well,
I can't with your mom because your mom passed away.
So no, but I gotta I got step mom, I
gotta step I got a replacement.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I gotta say, okay, route, your step mom has to
go to jail for a year, but you get ten
million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yes, oh, ten million dollars. Okay, I just said yes regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
All right, no you can't. You can't speak to your
sibling for ten years. But you get five thousand dollars
per week.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
That would mean that I have already fulfilled the obligation
and I will expect the amount in full in my
bank account. Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
You were like, that ain't no problem. I did that before. Yeah,
we already, we already.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Haven't talked like ten years. No, my family's cool. My
family's cool. We're just uh, we're just like, uh, just
like your family. We got we got our stuff. But
shout out to Susie. She's a nurse. She's out in
South Dakota doing her thing, and if she had to
spend a year in jail to to cash a ten
million dollar jack, she would do that time. She is

(01:03:03):
a hard worker, Yeah she would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
All right, Let's get to the games of the weekend though.
So first game up, we have Michigan at Washington and
oh actually before even met Ralph, can you give us
the totals?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Where are we at? Because am I far behind you
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
So you entered in last week at eleven and ten.
We gave you a bonus pick. You went three and three,
So you're fourteen and thirteen right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Damn. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I went two and three, which put me at sixteen
and ten. I'm a little bit concerned that I have
these numbers incorrect though. Well, you were no hold on,
so I was going in the week. I was fourteen
and seven. That's twenty one. You were eleven and nine.

(01:04:05):
You were eleven and nine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
So you went three and three, so you're fourteen and twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I am sixteen and ten. So you were two games off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Oh okay, I'm not that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
So the first game up that we're gonna pick, we
have Michigan at Washington. Washington is a two and a
half point favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Ralph.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I was shocked when I saw this line. I thought
Michigan would be favorite after talking to Jordan Reffitt on
the show, talking about the five games and really dissecting
what was going on at Washington. Their quarterback Will Rodgers
has not thrown an interception, but they have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Been terrible against the run.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Because we watched the Rutgers game, Michigan can't throw the ball,
and I do not understand why people like usc in.
The Michigan game was in two high safeties at times there.
That makes zero sense to me. I am going to
because alex Orgy either cannot throw the ball or they

(01:05:12):
refuse to throw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
The ball with him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
If I am Washington, Ralph, I am going to I
am taking Washington minus.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
To two up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Sorry plus, I'm not actually, Oh damn, that means they
gotta wines. I'm gonna take Washington for the upset, Ralph.
I believe that I hope Jed Fish in this team
is going to just play zero coverage and double dog
Dare alex Orgy to beat you with his arm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I would say that Michigan is a bad four
and one and Washington is a good three and two.
And here's what I mean by that. Washington, when they
get inside the thirty, they have no idea what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yes, they've been bad, they have no problem getting to
the exactly and so I believe they'll figure that out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
They dominated Rutgers and lost. They've depended way too much
on Grady Gross and then it turned around to bite them.
They should be five and zero right now. They have
been a very very good football team and the results
don't reflect it. They're kind of like the opposite of
Texas Tech. Texas Tech has been a bad football team,
and they're winning most of their games. I will say

(01:06:33):
that Michigan's win over Fresno State now looks ridiculous since
UNLV just dropped sixty on Fresno State. They almost choked
away the game against Minnesota and an officiating mistake kept
them from losing. Yes to Minnesota. Yes, and USC came
back on them to take the lead. And if USC

(01:06:54):
had any, you know, any ability to stop that ten
play ninety yard drive that Michigan went on to ultimately win,
then they would have won that game as well. So
I am not a big believer in Michigan right now.
They're doing what it takes to win games. That's fine,
But I believe very much that Washington is the reason

(01:07:16):
Washington has lost twice and it wasn't Rutgers. You know,
they outgained Rutgers by like two hundred some yards.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Yeah, So I think if they get their issues figured out,
like the running a pitch play against Wazoo or to
win the game, or after.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You get a missed field goal, don't run on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah yeah, So I don't know. I think I think
they'll figure it out. At Washington, and I think that
Michigan's works will start to show up. So I'm gonna
take Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
One hundred because Michigan is averaging eighty three pass yards
per game over the last three games.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Eighty three That is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Behind the Triple Option Service academies as well. So just
just so you know, all right, Uh, Missouri at Texas
A and M tex AEM is uh so when I checked,
it was a two point line. Now it is two
and a half points. Tex A and them is given. Well,

(01:08:20):
tex ANEM is favored by two and a half points. Uh,
this game is in college station. I don't trust Texas
A and M, but I also trust Missouri less Like
they didn't look good versus Vanderbilt, they didn't look good
versus Boston College either, And I think that obviously that

(01:08:45):
that they're better that Tech A M is better than
both of those two teams. This I dropped Missouri in
the Unaffraid Show rankings, And yeah, I think that this
is gonna be a big fat l They're of a
few and it's time to get them up out of
the out of that even playoff conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, Brady Cook is by far the best quarterback in
this matchup, Missouri has the better running game. They pressure
the passer better. Texas A and M is great, great
at home, but they are depending on a backup quarterback,
a young quarterback, and Brady Cook just yeah, and Brady

(01:09:32):
Cook just kind of took a dump on Kyle Field.
I don't know if you saw that what he say.
He's like, our practices are louder than their games or
something like that. So if if Missouri's coming in with
that attitude and they have not looked as good as
i'd hope that they would look, but the defense is
still even losing their DC. The defense is still legit,

(01:09:53):
so h And Brady Cook has yet to have that
breakout game. He's only got four touchdown passes so far,
but he's not turning ball over. I hate picking against
Texas A and M at home, but you kind of
have to, if you just being logical, you kind of
have to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah. I want to go with Missouri.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I just don't trust him and but I trust Texas
and them even less so. But I still am gonna
take Texas A and M and just cross my fingers. Okay,
all right, next game up Old miss at South Carolina.
Oh lord, have mercy, Ralph, uh, this line has fallen.

(01:10:31):
It started at ten and a half. I believe for Texas.
For Old Miss, they fall into number twelve, even though
that they are number twenty two in the Unafraid Show rankings.
And South Carolina they get their quarterback Sellers back after
he got hurt in the oh that game that they
should have won against LSU, and that was another game

(01:10:56):
that South Carolina just literally blew.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
That game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
They had a pick got called back because you hit
the quarterback that was the game sealer. And now Old Miss,
after losing to Kentucky last week, is headed out there, Ralph,
give me South Carolina and give me them nine points.
Everything about it said screams a lock of the week
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
I want to believe in Ole Miss. I think you
picked them to be one of your college football playoff representatives,
but they're not. Jackson Dart had the opportunity to have
his Heisman moment, he didn't ye. I don't know they're

(01:11:44):
gonna have to deal with a mobile quarterback either way.
I don't think the North Sellers is playing. But Robbie
ash Ford, that's a big dude, and he you know,
he'll he'll run with the ball. It's not an easy
place to go and get a win. Give me, I
just want to be opposite. You will give me all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Miss Okay, So right now Leonora's Sellers is listed as questionable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I think your camera went out, George.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Next game up, Miami at Cal Ralph. This is a
game that I'm looking forward to because this is essentially
pac twelve after dark, and I know it's gonna get freaky.
Like Miami fans think that they're just gonna walk in
there with a seven thirty pm Pacific time kick and
it all be good. Listen, it took days for their

(01:12:39):
equipment truck to just get across. They they gonna have
to they even gonna get their equipment back until the
middle of next week. And they think that everything is fine,
that everything is okay, that you're just gonna walk over
there with a ten thirty body clock kick and nothing
weird is gonna happen. They don't understand, Ralph. They don't
understand they have stepped in to the calgarithm and this

(01:13:03):
is a their favorite by ten points and this is
upset city. Buddy, this game. I give me cal give
me the plus ten. Actually, this is the lock of
the day that I got two. I got a double lock.
You're in a bad neighborhood, huh, I got to double

(01:13:24):
lock the car.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Yes, So I'm I'm with you. I'm going with Cal
just on vibes. I know cam Ward tore up tore
up this Cal defense twice when he was with Washington State,
but he made a lot of mistakes in those games too,
and one of them he actually cost them the game.
But like you said, that's the full cam Ward experience.

(01:13:45):
He is as good as it gets.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
They have not experienced it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Nope. And on the road at Cal with college game
day there, that might actually be the time. It's not
gonna hurt my feelings if Camboard and Miami stay on
this tear though, because it's it's a it's an awesome story,
and I love Camboard, but I like Cal. I like
Cal a lot. I like Fernando Mendoza, Miami native. For
Fernando Mendoza, Jay not hasn't got going yet. He hasn't

(01:14:13):
had his game that he needs to have this year
to prove that he's the man. And I think that
this is going to be the game where they do it.
So give me cal plus ten.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Ooh ooh, all right, I'm taking cal plus ten. This
feels like a layup to me, wide open layup, dude,
and next game up s MU at Louisville.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Our guy, Tyler Shuck. Tyler's damn it? Did? I did
I say it correctly?

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
You did? You did?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
It's confusing, dude, because I don't want to mess up
his name anymore. I promised I would get it right.
Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
You're shuk about Shuck.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yes, I'm shook about Shuck and his Louisville team is
six and a half point favorites in this game. I
like Louisville to win this football game. SMU has been
on a tear since they switched their quarterback to Kevin Jennings.
And but I think this Louisville team is too much
and like they lost to Notre Dame by a touchdown

(01:15:16):
and it's because they turned the ball over. Like they
didn't even allow Louisville's offense to be great, I mean, sorry,
Notre Dame's offense to be great. And SMU's offense has
been completely different with the switch at quarterback. But I
do believe that they come back down to Earth today, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, I mean they made the switch at quarterback, but
it's not like Kevin Jennings is doing much. They're running
the ball. They're running the ball like crazy. They have
one hundred and eight points over the last two weeks,
and that's not necessarily a Kevin Jennings thing. So I'm
a Tyler Shuck fan obviously. I think that Louisville is
very good. They only surrendered two hundred and eighty yards
to Notre Dame. They should probably feel like they should

(01:15:55):
have won that game. Yes, Louisville is awesome at home.
They are just awesome at home. And a really cool
thing about this game is this is the first time
that Tyler Shuck has played five straight regular season games
since twenty twenty since he was at Oregon. Injury kept
him from doing that in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
and twenty twenty three at Texas Tech. It's the reason

(01:16:16):
that he's still in college football because he's been beat
up a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Oh my god, I've made it over the If he
makes it out of his game healthy, he will probably
feel like a relief, like, oh my god, I made
it past the Mason Dixon line.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yeah, and I I you know, it's funny because we
kind of had written SMU off after looking bad against
Nevada and getting beat by BYU.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
What turns out b Yu is very good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, so yes, actually, like a premier college football game,
give me the line one more time. I'm just gonna
do it right off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Louisville and a half. Louisville favored by six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Do it, give me SMUs Louisville wins by Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
That could very well happen. That little hook got me
hooked up too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
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