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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the defense for the alleged
assassin Luigi Mangioni, actually gets up in court and talks
about how mangione is the victim, actually claiming with a
straight face that his quote beautiful, promising life has been
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derailed by those pesky murderer charges. Wow. I wonder how
the murder victim's family is feeling about right now. He's
leaving behind a wife and two sons, and Luigi Mangioni's
defense team claims he's the victim. And I haven't even
got started on what they are trying to have thrown
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out of evidence so a jury will never hear the truth.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No one what a the address of your emergency?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's not really an emergency.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I have a customer here that some other customers were.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Suspicious of that he looks like the CEO shooter New York.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter
at large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in
court that their client, luigim Agiani is the victim because
his quote beautiful promising life has been derailed.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, Nancy, As you mentioned, his team did paint him
as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
This was something that he went through. He went through
back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
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that is one thing that you can definitely expect his
legal team.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'll argue, Kila, can I believe you are my lion
eyes control room? Please show me him a running along
the beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting
up girls and tickling them. It's a video. They're all
giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of him lounging
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by the beach. I'd love to see those photos of
him hiking and what looks to be a jungle rainfall. Oh,
he is feeling no pain there, Keili Brantley, I hope
you don't fall for that look like and seeker. Doctor
Judy Hoe, did you know that Luigimanngioni is apparently the
victim in this scenario. Doctor Judy Hoe is joining US
clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules of
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Attachment and another bestseller, Stop Self Sabotage. You need to
write one, doctor Judy Hoe, about try to tell the
truth and then send it. You know, I'll pay for
it and we can send it to Luigi Mangioni. He
is not the victim here. But you know you can't
count out the defense attorney Agnafello. He got Sean Combs
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off on the major accusations in that indictment. So no
matter how ridiculous I may think he sounds, he essentially
won that case. Yes, his defense team that claims Luigi
Mangioni is the victim. I want to read it, doctor
Judy Hope, beautiful promising life derailed by those irritating murder charges.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And as you said, even though he's not the victim.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think this is why there has been a fan
base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe
he is a victim, that he's some type of anti hero,
that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this as individuals
who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.
And it's weird because a lot of these people who
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develop this sort of fanhood around Luigi. They're kind of thinking, well,
maybe I can be a special person in his life,
maybe he'll pay attention to me.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Maybe I can even develop a friendship with this person.
This person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting,
but some of it actually has to do with a
self centeredness of people who might actually talk to him,
that they're hoping to get something special out of it
for themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'm sorry, Doreti Gudio. I know you're the clinical and
forensic neuropsychologist, but I don't even know what you just said.
How can the defense stand up and say this is
not about the murder victim. Can we show, please, Brian
Thompson walking along and he's gunned down in cold blood,
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leaving behind two sons and a wife. That's the victim,
according to prosecutors, is Luigi Mangioni holding a three D
weapon that he made that it took dozens and dozens
of hours to make, so he can gun down a
guy walking to work in the back. You stated, I
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don't know what that was, doctor Judijo. I'm not saying
you're wrong. I'm just saying I'm just a trial lawyer
didn't understand it. But I think I know some of
the people that consider Luigi Mangioni to be the victim.
And here they are filing in to court. Okay, oh
what Luigi fights fascists. Okay, look at this line. Now,
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wait till you see the cat walk parade of sad
sack women filing in to They won't even show their
face to get a glimpse of Luigi Mangioni. Yes, keep
it going, Keep it going, because I've got hours of people. Yeah,
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that was totally walking the cat walk right there, clamoring
to get in to just bask in the glow of
Luigi Mangioni. Oh it keeps going. Yeah, on and on.
They had to turn women away, and it's not just women. Listen.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So this is who police believe was responsible for the
United Healthcare ceo PP. His name's Glubigi. All I can
say is mia, does he need a Mario? I believe
it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,
I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of
love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and
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I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe
if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better
look like one. Okay, this man clearly did that. Did
he train at the Marvel Studios with all the other
crisis Okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.
I'm so sorry. I believe if we're going to claim
to be a Christian nation, that we need to act
like one. And part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness.
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And after a lot of seconds of thinking, I have
decided I'm gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right,
but not forget, because I mean, my god, how could
you forget an angel like this? I'm not gonna For
a while thought, oh my god, we're never gonna find him,
you know. And I was wrong, because somewhere on the
way the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the
masks and no masks, this man he found a way
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into our hearts. He did.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I hardly even know where to start with that. That
is from mister William's spreck on TikTok. I'm in love
with a criminal and I forgive him After a few
seconds of consideration, Doctor gud Hoe It I can't say
it gets worse. But there's more. Listen, you can't take
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my man, his blood on his head. When you're the
one with the good who's tacking lash for fun, you
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can't take my man. And that's from Scarlett park TikTok.
So it's gone beyond calling him a spicy meatball. These
people actually consider Luigimi and Gioni their man, and they
are angry with the fans for prosecuting. What have I
gone down the rabbit hole? Am I in some crazy
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bizarre alice in Wonderland? What is happening, doctor Judy Hoe.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.
People start to idolize these potential uh. I mean, clearly
this is a defendant, right, But they're thinking, in their minds,
this person is innocent. Maybe I'm gonna be their special person,
and they're lusting after them the way that they would
lust after a celebrity, especially when they see photos and
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videos that they can start cutting into their own social media.
They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him, a fantasy and
essentially completely erasing all of the facts that have been
evident in this case. And clearly the defendant's attorneys are
trying to paint that picture as well, leaning into it
as hard as possible, because they're hoping to influence the
public opinion even before a jury is selected, so that
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they can hopefully get him the outcome that he wants,
which is apparently to escape a.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Death sentence, escape prison.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Maybe I'm not sure exactly what they think is possible,
but that's what's so scary about all the positivity that
has developed around his persona in terms of all of
these illustrations, the website they set up about and it's
really concerning.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me. Cold Case
Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,
Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the Cold Case
of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon. Cheryl, Okay,
do you remember the night that you and I were
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out until two o'clock in the morning staking out a
location where we thought Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended.
Do you remember that night? Because I sure do I do.
How has this gotten so bass ackwards, Cheryl Nancy?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It is mind boggling that anybody is trying to paint
this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's life
was not just promising, it was in full swing. He
had a wife and children, and a career at the
highest level. He had friends and extended family. He had
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everything going for him. Mangione had none of that, but
he took everything on those children. And I'm going to
tell you something, when you look at the people that
are contacting him, I hope and pray that those six
thousand letters that he's got, that one hundred and fifteen
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a day, that there's some good intel in there too,
because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and
I hope they're listing every.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Piece of it. Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down.
I haven't even gotten into the legal implications of what
is happening in court. I'm just so concerned that one
of these nutjobs is going to end up on the
ultimate jury and acquit Luigi Mangioni under the misconception that
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he is somehow the victim. Again in court, his lawyers
and I'm quoting, claim that his beautiful, promising life has
been derailed murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,
me me. This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew
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up with silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has
been living in a Hawaii high rise on the beach
doing nothing, and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine,
Cheryl McCollum, how hard Thompson had to work to get
to become the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed
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to him on a silver platter on top of a
Christmas tree like it was MANGIONI. He had to work
and sacrifice long, long hours to get to where he
got to to be gunned down like a dog on
the sidewalk, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I
agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not
only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.
You know what it is. You know how long David
has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,
it's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at
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the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.
Mangione was giving nothing to a family, he was giving
nothing to society. He was contributing z rows and again,
what he took cannot even be measured.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
that's you, calib Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
and picking them up just before the shooting. I can't
show it because it has the girl's faces in it.
But he was feeling no pain. But it's all about me, Me, me, me, me,
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why me? And he's certainly not the first. Let me
refresh your recollection, as we say in court with bride
killer Jamie Lee Koumarowski. Listen to her, right, just don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Why that's hard to happen to me, because bad things
happen to good people, Haney, That's why.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It's just it's just.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Something that happened to you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And we are going to deal with the best week past.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, Dave mac joining me, Crimes Stories investigative reporter. You
know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.
She's guilty. She got totally stinking drunk and plowed into
a beautiful bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom
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and killed her. And there she is behind bars, going
why is this happening to me?
Speaker 8 (14:47):
One look and listen to her father, Nancy, what does
he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No they don't.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
You just killed somebody because of your own actions. See,
we've got a whole group of people now that never
want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything is on them.
How can you possibly think man Joni is sitting here
saying his life is derailed. Well, he destroyed another life
and another family. Kamarowski sitting in jail, Why is this
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happening to me?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Why not?
Speaker 8 (15:19):
What did you expect? What happened? Sick of this? Nancy
is getting really tiresome.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,
just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komarowski.
And here's I guess this would have to be the
Miss Universe of Yme Jody Arius check her out. She
is more concerned about her makeup as she is approaching
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trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of her
fiance Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty nine times.
Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that. I
say it was more than that. Check it out, Jody Areas,
you should have at least done your makeup before you
speak to police about murdering your fiance when he broke
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up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from
forty eight hours just Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you
recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because
is they're about to question her about what could have
happened to Travis Alexander. She starts singing and there you go,
does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
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on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
what happened to Travis?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And
while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
When he turns around to defend himself to try to
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parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
spits up blood onto his stink, onto his sink, he
crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.
She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
ear and the kupdi gras she shoots him after he
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is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
at right here. She's absolutely disgusting and it's.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
All about me, me, me, Scott Morgan, you've seen it all.
I'm gonna try to say, say you something you haven't
seen yet. Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants
focusing only on themselves and not their victims. There is
the drunk, stinking drunk a d a assistant district's attorney
Devin Flanning. And listen to her as what the protocol is?
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Protocol?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you by aske youters turn off the body?
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Can you have to turn it off?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
And that's your protocol, lawyer.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
So she knows well.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Lawyers, so that's not true.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So we gotta go no it is. That's that's a law.
I'm an ag, I'm an aging.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Let's go on. Those two were kicked out of I
think it was a bar for being drunk and belligerent.
Then you've got oh gosh, she's been called a screaming
bands she and do you hear going I'm an a da,
I'm an Ada. Every cent it starts with I. I
I listen to this woman, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
He ain't needs not judge me.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He he wants to call a salt.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
We're gonna go through that row.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, he wants to go through assault. No, we're not
doing that. Then no, he he claims I assaulted him. No,
we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And then,
of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,
I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni. And he's
a beautiful life. Dearield, I'm sure you recall Shana Hubers
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that gave her ex boyfriend the quote nos jop he
always want with a handgun. Listen, Starry Vain.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
One of our last conversations we had that was good
was sitting once my best friend of the dentist to
do with the marrs and want to get a noob,
just that.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Kind of person.
Speaker 11 (19:14):
And I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I gave him his nose job.
Speaker 11 (19:17):
He wanted.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I want to marry me if they know that I
kill my boyfriend and helped.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
Not funny, but I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Know, Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics and death investigator. Your
forte is dead bodies and causes of death and modes
of death. Let me go to special guests joining us now,
Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that? I don't
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know if you saw this for yourself, but me and
Gioni's defensive team is actually arguing his life was derailed
by the murder charges.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all
they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I've seen photos of Luegia Minchioni practicing yoga, tickling multiple
girls in a hallway all at once. Every shot I
see of him, he's out in nature. He's not at work.
We keep hearing he quit his job. He was laid off. Gee,
I wonder why maybe the job interfered with the tickling
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crime stories with Nancy Grace throughout this week, Luigia Mangioni
and his defensive team have been fighting it out in
court to get a lot of evidence suppressed. Forget about
all the sad sack women lined up to get in.
Forget about the martyrdom of Luigi Mangioni. Let's talk about
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the facts and the law.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
Listen taking orders as she tells the operator, I have
a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
of them is no better. The nine one one operator,
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Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
ask for a description, with the manager replying, the only
thing you can see is the eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Joining us is Skuy Lazarro. She's a veteran criminal defense attorney.
She's practiced in both She's practiced in both state and
federal court. She is with Ray Quinny and nebecker Sky.
Thank you for being with us. If the defense is
arguing that Luigimngioni was illegally arrested, the nine to one
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one call occurred before the arrest, So what could be
the possible grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.
Speaker 14 (22:14):
I think they're going to have a really hard time
keeping the nine to one one call out. I can
understand it from a defense perspective. You have to try,
but when it comes to nine to one one calls,
as long as you can lay the foundation for it,
it's probably coming in.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I can tell you one thing I know Sky lazarro
that they hate about this nine to one one call.
We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slaghings
for Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described Brian
Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows. Listen, just remember seeing.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
This figure that was like not fat obviously, but more
of like the skinnyer tongue build.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
And some mask on.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
I don't know what the exactly was, but when I
thought about it, it was just like covering here and here.
I don't know if he's covering his mouth his nose
or below his mouth and nose. I just remember knowing
that he was white, but I didn't know how he
was white.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
I just knew he was and this knowing.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
There's like I knew he had looked at me because
of a Bushye, that's all I remember.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Joining me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
cold blood. You know, I have had a killer identified.
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He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
identified because he walked sleugh footed, in other words, like
a duck. They are all sorts of ways to identify someone.
It can be by voice, it could be any number
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of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said, bushy eyebrows,
and there's no doubt that's Luigi Mangioni. They hate it.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
They hate that identification, Tom, Yeah, they do, because you know,
it shows how important Nancy and we did this when
we first started talking about this case, how important the
videos and all the photos were to get out to
the public, even if his face was covered, even if
he was in a cab or.
Speaker 11 (24:32):
Whatever it was, because those eyebrows jumped off the page
to everyone who looked at it. That was the number
one thing that everyone looked at as a looking point
and identification point when it came to him, and it
just showed that the quicker they got those photos out,
the better it was.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious
about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
by his eye browse, among other things. Let's see the
pictures of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is
at McDonald's. But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the
defense should be more concerned about the fact that he
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can be identified at the time of the killing. He
showed his face repeatedly. I agree with you.
Speaker 14 (25:20):
He probably should have been a little bit more careful
at that time and that should be the stuff they're
seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
it goes to the nine to one one call. The
defenses probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
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They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
turns out to be him.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Speaking of getting to the McDonald's. The defense is arguing
that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind
of under arrest because so many police started showing up
and massing at the McDonald's. They were concerned, if this
is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed, and
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as a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
with him, so they were right. Now, what the defense
is arguing is that having multipolice multiple police officers show
up is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we
care because police engaged in a conversation with him to
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identify him, and he spilled a lot of information in
that conversation. The state says it was before his arrest.
Why does it matter, because a statement taken while you
are in custody without miranda will be suppressed. So they
want the judge to believe that because several police officers
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showed up at McDonald's, that me and Gioni was effectively
under arrest in any statement he made pre miranda should
be suppressed. That's not going to happen when I walk
into Let's just pretend Chipotle and all the Atlanta PD
are in there getting a salad. I don't feel like
I'm under arrest. Think about it. Listen.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
Mangoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's. Manjoni
sits to eat breakfast. At nine oh three. Eleven minutes later,
the nine one one call is made. Nine twenty eight
two police officers show up and begin talking to Mangoni.
The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police until nine
forty two, when at least eight officers are visible on
the recording. The defense claims packing the place with police
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amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest. Agnifilo argues
police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount to illegally
detaining the alleged killer. Agniffilo also takes exception with the
way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest, claiming it
was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In other words, they looked in his back Cheryl McCollum
joining me. She is not only a crime scene investigator
and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she
is also the star of a hit podcast which I
actually put on a loop sometimes. Cheryl McCollum, Zone seven,
Cheryl McCollum, has it ever dawned on you when you
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go into McDonald's for a cup of coffee, that you're
arresting somebody, that you're a mere presence equals an arrest,
Because that's what they're arguing and what they're trying to do, Cheryl,
is get out from under what Manngioni said to police
pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think the body cam is going to be so
critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
It's going to, you know, show the world that he
stood up and thought he was under arrest. Only a
guilty person would think that, Nancy. What the defense is
doing is there basically, look, you use newer to make
something grow, right, So they are planting and cultivating and
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trying to grow this story that he's the victim, that
he didn't do anything, that he was under arrest, and
now we can't use anything, and it's just be a.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom.
Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
Speaker 15 (29:24):
He's a young man and he is being treated like
a human ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here,
and they are literally treating him like he is like
some sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
He was on display for everyone to see in the
biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
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There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
idea it was in their arsenal. And to have all
of these these the press there, the media there, it
was like perfectly core aoreograph. And what was the New
York City mayor doing at this press conference?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
He is a walking talking contradiction.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
He supposedly is against this wealthy CEO is yet he
comes for money.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This is the guy living in a high rise in
Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning. Did you
wake up to a beach this morning? Dec I Sert
did not. The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and
nail to keep out what happened in that McDonald's, and
as Cheryl McCombs pointing out, that bodycam is going to
be so significant because It doesn't matter what the state says.
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It doesn't matter what the defense says or how much
Luigi Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what
really happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get
the nine one one call suppressed, that's not happening. But
what happened in the McDonald's Is the state going to
lose valuable evidence on illegal technicality? Why is it they
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want that backpack suppressed? Straight out to Investigator at large
for dailymail dot com kill Lebrandley. What was in the backpack? Nancy?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun
which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it, and
he also had a knife on him, which was discovered
about twenty minutes later, so he was armed and at
that point he was considered very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, hold on, what did you say was written in
Mangione's spiral notebook.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
That was in his backpack that he wanted any use
the word whack the healthcare CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
No wonder they want it suppressed to Dave mac Crime
Stories investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun
sometimes called a ghost gun.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
know it's a pistol, but we don't know the exact
name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
amount of time and filament far more than any other.
Deliberator is the most common, and it's the easiest one
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to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator
takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
Nancy thirty hours to print the easiest of all the pistols.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
made on a three D printer. Tom, It's unserialized. That's
why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
is long gun, is shotgun under the bed? You think
it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
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serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
gun is un serialized.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
And that is why so many criminals and Luigi Maggioni
of course went to the lengths that he did to
make that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation
of it. Already, he's already thinking ahead of that gun
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not being traced to him, and that is part of
this as well.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Tom Smith, you're exactly correct. To Justin Scott Morgan. Let
me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
death sayings, and he's a star of hit podcast Body.
(33:42):
Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
is silenced, it is suppressed. That means that the crack
of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,
it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So
what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
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I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
close look at that weapon. There the end of that
muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
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want to knock down the sound, so it's not going
to draw attention to you when you fired this thing.
Because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce
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the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
of this is so that you're not going to draw
attention to any one. It does reduce, say, some of
the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness
of it at a greater range. But this is this
is not a close range. As a matter of fact,
if we were to look at the body here, it
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would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to
have any kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It
will have fallen away by that time, but this is
not too distant of a shot. You'll still have that
same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl
McCollum is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns
and silencers.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Criminals, And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is
a three D printed weapon, it's still gonna lead marking
on casons and they're gonna be able to be, you know,
determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.
So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.
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They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to
a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet
was fired by that weapon.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is
like a fish in water for you. Every day you
were getting off the streets of Manhattan guns to match
with bullets, bullets that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
And Cheryl said it right. A bullet hurls down the
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barrel of a gun, that gun may look like all
the other guns in the gun store showcase. But it's
not because inside the barrel, the metal has cooled in
a certain way and it leaves ridges and imperfections on
the inside of the barrel, and as that bullet shoots
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down the barrel, it is forever marked by those imperfections.
So when you take the murder weapon to the crime
lab and you shoot a bullet through the murder weapon,
and you take the known bullet dug out of the
victim and you put it under a microscope next to
the one you just shot, it's like a fingerprint. No
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other gun, be it a three D printed gun, a
grandma's Bessie's out from under her her mattress, you can
track and identify like a fingerprint, that bullet came from
that gun. Isn't that true?
Speaker 11 (37:54):
And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
the twist and all of that is what you match up.
And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable, you know,
to anyone else. It is strictly to that weapon that
you will match up the weapon. Take the round taken
out of the victim and match it up and that
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is damaging when it comes to court.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three
day pretty gun is the murder weapon. Listen to Alvin Bragg,
the Manhattan District Attorney, For.
Speaker 16 (38:40):
Nearly an hour we alledged to the definitet waited in
the area near the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson
to appear. From six thirty eight am to six forty
four am. The defendant stood across from the entrance of
the hotel on West fifty fourth Street. When he saw
mister Thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind.
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We alleged he then took out a nine millimeter three
D printed ghost gun equipped with a three D printed
suppressor and shot him once in the back and once
in the leg.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What about his beach bum life?
Just before the assassination.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Right around the time he disappeared, he traps off to
Asia and he went on a backpacking trip.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
The beach Bumb photos and the two thousand dollars month
eye rise and the Frola King and Honolulu. Oh my goodness,
he might as well bucked up with the writz calib
Brantley Daily Mail. The defense for Luigi Maggioni is also
trying to suppress statements he allegedly made to his guards.
(39:51):
He had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen
to him like it did to Epstein. So let's first
talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was
minding Mangioni. What did Manngioni allegedly say to Rivers Nancy.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
at social media, they were really more focused about the
healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi said.
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This was really about.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Wow, sounds like a confession to me, Sky lazarro Oopsie.
Speaker 14 (40:40):
Nancy, I agree and disagree.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
They put these guys in a situation like that in
solitary where they can't talk to anybody else. And the
other thing is that we know these officers didn't document
any of this. They're supposed to be taking notes seven
times an hour about what he's doing and his well being,
and he don't write down anything like he just made
an admission.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sky Lazarro, did you say it's a problem he's being
held in solitary. You know who else is in solitary,
Brian Thompson, except his is a casket. So you're telling
me again, I can't believe you're buying into this, Sky Lazarro,
that he's the one that's being tormented. You know what else?
He told Rivers that Rivers should really read Doors a
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Perception by Aldus Huxley, which is all about psychedelic drug
trips and mystical interpretations. Needless to say, Rivers did not
read the book. But there is another guard that he
talked to. This is the one I'm really interested in listening.
Speaker 13 (41:49):
Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That
doesn't stop Man Jonny from telling Henry he was caught
with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
murder CEO Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Niphelo challenges Henry, saying,
so he just blurted out to you that he had
a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies, yes too.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Doctor Angela Arnold joining us. She's a renowned psychiatrist out
of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold dot com, foreim
Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on. Former medical director
at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has
a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses
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and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold. Why is
this so hard? I've met a jury's not going to
have a hard time believing this that Luigi Mangioni, who
has had a lifetime of entitlement, would blab to his
guards why they're his new friends. They would never betray him,
right yep?
Speaker 8 (42:50):
Oh sure.
Speaker 17 (42:51):
And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers from some sort
of personality disorder in which he thinks about him so
an awful lot. So he really doesn't He may not
see that he's done anything wrong, and he probably hasn't
suffered any consequences for any of his actions in the past,
and so that would make him more likely to almost
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be bragging about what he's done and to let other
people know what he's done. This is typical for his
behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Tom Smith joining me, Former NYPD detective thirty years now,
star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What is
wrong with rich people? Do they think they can just
get away with everything? Anything and everything they can confess
they can stay. Yeah, they caught me with the three
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D printed gun, which is the murder weapon. What is
wrong with them? Have you noticed the same sense of
entitlement sometimes does them end? Because they think they can
buy off everybody that everybody wants to be their friend,
but these two guards do not want to be his friend.
Speaker 11 (44:08):
Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You
know they've gotten what they want, did they'd neither pay
for it or the power that they have has influenced
someone's decision into what they're getting or what they're doing,
and they just think that holds true for every aspect
of their life, including killing someone. I mean, that's how
deranged they are when it comes to the entitlement that
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they believe they are are owed when it comes to
murder or you know, killing a bride. We did that show.
You know, it's just constant and it just keeps coming
up and it's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Tom, I want you to look at a picture, if
I can get the controller to put it up for me,
dig through those files. I want to see the picture
allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three day
with the silencer on it, pointing directly at Brian Thompson's back.
According to police, he waited an hour for just the
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right moment. There's his backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's.
There's his outfit which he had with him. There's the
three D weapon, and let's look at Brian Thompson walking
along early morning going to a work conference. He shot
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in the back right there. And I'm not going to
play that when he actually gets shot, because someday, somehow
his boys might look this up online and I don't
want this to be stuck in their memory. Calla Brantley.
(45:50):
Were any of me Gie Only's family members in court
and were any of the victims' family members in court
this week?
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Not that we know of Nancy, but a lot of
Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
by having hordes of fans because he is a handsome man.
That he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm sure
his defense team is happy that they have a relatively
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attractive man as a client.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Kiala, I don't find him attractive. Every time I look
at him, I see a tail swishing in the back
and two horns right here. That's what I see. What
is happening in court this week is critical. If this
evidence is suppressed, there may be no justice in this case.
(46:45):
A man shut down on the sidewalk on video and
no justice. We wait as justice of folds. But now
we remember an American Hero Reserve Deputy Sheriff John Stall,
Jefferson County Sheriff's, Indiana, killed in a line of duty
(47:05):
after fifteen years of service, leaving behind a devastated wife
turned wided American Hero Reserve Deputy Shriff John Stall. Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the defense for the alleged
assassin Luigi Mangioni, actually gets up in court and talks
about how mangione is the victim, actually claiming with a
straight face that his quote beautiful, promising life has been
(00:27):
derailed by those pesky murderer charges. Wow. I wonder how
the murder victim's family is feeling about right now. He's
leaving behind a wife and two sons, and Luigi Mangioni's
defense team claims he's the victim. And I haven't even
got started on what they are trying to have thrown
(00:49):
out of evidence so a jury will never hear the truth.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No one what a the address of your emergency?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's not really an emergency.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I have a customer here that some other customers were.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Suspicious of that he looks like the CEO shooter New York.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter
at large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in
court that their client, luigim Agiani is the victim because
his quote beautiful promising life has been derailed.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, Nancy, As you mentioned, his team did paint him
as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
This was something that he went through. He went through
back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
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that is one thing that you can definitely expect his
legal team.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'll argue, Kila, can I believe you are my lion
eyes control room? Please show me him a running along
the beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting
up girls and tickling them. It's a video. They're all
giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of him lounging
(02:18):
by the beach. I'd love to see those photos of
him hiking and what looks to be a jungle rainfall. Oh,
he is feeling no pain there, Keili Brantley, I hope
you don't fall for that look like and seeker. Doctor
Judy Hoe, did you know that Luigimanngioni is apparently the
victim in this scenario. Doctor Judy Hoe is joining US
clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules of
(02:43):
Attachment and another bestseller, Stop Self Sabotage. You need to
write one, doctor Judy Hoe, about try to tell the
truth and then send it. You know, I'll pay for
it and we can send it to Luigi Mangioni. He
is not the victim here. But you know you can't
count out the defense attorney Agnafello. He got Sean Combs
(03:05):
off on the major accusations in that indictment. So no
matter how ridiculous I may think he sounds, he essentially
won that case. Yes, his defense team that claims Luigi
Mangioni is the victim. I want to read it, doctor
Judy Hope, beautiful promising life derailed by those irritating murder charges.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And as you said, even though he's not the victim.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think this is why there has been a fan
base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe
he is a victim, that he's some type of anti hero,
that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this as individuals
who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.
And it's weird because a lot of these people who
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develop this sort of fanhood around Luigi. They're kind of thinking, well,
maybe I can be a special person in his life,
maybe he'll pay attention to me.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Maybe I can even develop a friendship with this person.
This person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting,
but some of it actually has to do with a
self centeredness of people who might actually talk to him,
that they're hoping to get something special out of it
for themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'm sorry, Doreti Gudio. I know you're the clinical and
forensic neuropsychologist, but I don't even know what you just said.
How can the defense stand up and say this is
not about the murder victim. Can we show, please, Brian
Thompson walking along and he's gunned down in cold blood,
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leaving behind two sons and a wife. That's the victim,
according to prosecutors, is Luigi Mangioni holding a three D
weapon that he made that it took dozens and dozens
of hours to make, so he can gun down a
guy walking to work in the back. You stated, I
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don't know what that was, doctor Judijo. I'm not saying
you're wrong. I'm just saying I'm just a trial lawyer
didn't understand it. But I think I know some of
the people that consider Luigi Mangioni to be the victim.
And here they are filing in to court. Okay, oh
what Luigi fights fascists. Okay, look at this line. Now,
(05:34):
wait till you see the cat walk parade of sad
sack women filing in to They won't even show their
face to get a glimpse of Luigi Mangioni. Yes, keep
it going, Keep it going, because I've got hours of people. Yeah,
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that was totally walking the cat walk right there, clamoring
to get in to just bask in the glow of
Luigi Mangioni. Oh it keeps going. Yeah, on and on.
They had to turn women away, and it's not just women. Listen.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So this is who police believe was responsible for the
United Healthcare ceo PP. His name's Glubigi. All I can
say is mia, does he need a Mario? I believe
it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,
I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of
love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and
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I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe
if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better
look like one. Okay, this man clearly did that. Did
he train at the Marvel Studios with all the other
crisis Okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.
I'm so sorry. I believe if we're going to claim
to be a Christian nation, that we need to act
like one. And part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness.
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And after a lot of seconds of thinking, I have
decided I'm gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right,
but not forget, because I mean, my god, how could
you forget an angel like this? I'm not gonna For
a while thought, oh my god, we're never gonna find him,
you know. And I was wrong, because somewhere on the
way the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the
masks and no masks, this man he found a way
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into our hearts. He did.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I hardly even know where to start with that. That
is from mister William's spreck on TikTok. I'm in love
with a criminal and I forgive him After a few
seconds of consideration, Doctor gud Hoe It I can't say
it gets worse. But there's more. Listen, you can't take
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my man, his blood on his head. When you're the
one with the good who's tacking lash for fun, you
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can't take my man. And that's from Scarlett park TikTok.
So it's gone beyond calling him a spicy meatball. These
people actually consider Luigimi and Gioni their man, and they
are angry with the fans for prosecuting. What have I
gone down the rabbit hole? Am I in some crazy
(08:40):
bizarre alice in Wonderland? What is happening, doctor Judy Hoe.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.
People start to idolize these potential uh. I mean, clearly
this is a defendant, right, But they're thinking, in their minds,
this person is innocent. Maybe I'm gonna be their special person,
and they're lusting after them the way that they would
lust after a celebrity, especially when they see photos and
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videos that they can start cutting into their own social media.
They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him, a fantasy and
essentially completely erasing all of the facts that have been
evident in this case. And clearly the defendant's attorneys are
trying to paint that picture as well, leaning into it
as hard as possible, because they're hoping to influence the
public opinion even before a jury is selected, so that
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they can hopefully get him the outcome that he wants,
which is apparently to escape a.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Death sentence, escape prison.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Maybe I'm not sure exactly what they think is possible,
but that's what's so scary about all the positivity that
has developed around his persona in terms of all of
these illustrations, the website they set up about and it's
really concerning.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me. Cold Case
Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,
Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the Cold Case
of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon. Cheryl, Okay,
do you remember the night that you and I were
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out until two o'clock in the morning staking out a
location where we thought Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended.
Do you remember that night? Because I sure do I do.
How has this gotten so bass ackwards, Cheryl Nancy?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It is mind boggling that anybody is trying to paint
this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's life
was not just promising, it was in full swing. He
had a wife and children, and a career at the
highest level. He had friends and extended family. He had
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everything going for him. Mangione had none of that, but
he took everything on those children. And I'm going to
tell you something, when you look at the people that
are contacting him, I hope and pray that those six
thousand letters that he's got, that one hundred and fifteen
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a day, that there's some good intel in there too,
because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and
I hope they're listing every.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Piece of it. Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down.
I haven't even gotten into the legal implications of what
is happening in court. I'm just so concerned that one
of these nutjobs is going to end up on the
ultimate jury and acquit Luigi Mangioni under the misconception that
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he is somehow the victim. Again in court, his lawyers
and I'm quoting, claim that his beautiful, promising life has
been derailed murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,
me me. This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew
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up with silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has
been living in a Hawaii high rise on the beach
doing nothing, and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine,
Cheryl McCollum, how hard Thompson had to work to get
to become the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed
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to him on a silver platter on top of a
Christmas tree like it was MANGIONI. He had to work
and sacrifice long, long hours to get to where he
got to to be gunned down like a dog on
the sidewalk, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I
agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not
only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.
You know what it is. You know how long David
has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,
it's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at
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the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.
Mangione was giving nothing to a family, he was giving
nothing to society. He was contributing z rows and again,
what he took cannot even be measured.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
that's you, calib Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
and picking them up just before the shooting. I can't
show it because it has the girl's faces in it.
But he was feeling no pain. But it's all about me, Me, me, me, me,
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why me? And he's certainly not the first. Let me
refresh your recollection, as we say in court with bride
killer Jamie Lee Koumarowski. Listen to her, right, just don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Why that's hard to happen to me, because bad things
happen to good people, Haney, That's why.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It's just it's just.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Something that happened to you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And we are going to deal with the best week past.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, Dave mac joining me, Crimes Stories investigative reporter. You
know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.
She's guilty. She got totally stinking drunk and plowed into
a beautiful bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom
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and killed her. And there she is behind bars, going
why is this happening to me?
Speaker 8 (14:47):
One look and listen to her father, Nancy, what does
he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No they don't.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
You just killed somebody because of your own actions. See,
we've got a whole group of people now that never
want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything is on them.
How can you possibly think man Joni is sitting here
saying his life is derailed. Well, he destroyed another life
and another family. Kamarowski sitting in jail, Why is this
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happening to me?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Why not?
Speaker 8 (15:19):
What did you expect? What happened? Sick of this? Nancy
is getting really tiresome.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,
just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komarowski.
And here's I guess this would have to be the
Miss Universe of Yme Jody Arius check her out. She
is more concerned about her makeup as she is approaching
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trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of her
fiance Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty nine times.
Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that. I
say it was more than that. Check it out, Jody Areas,
you should have at least done your makeup before you
speak to police about murdering your fiance when he broke
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up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from
forty eight hours just Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you
recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because
is they're about to question her about what could have
happened to Travis Alexander. She starts singing and there you go,
does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
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on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
what happened to Travis?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And
while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
When he turns around to defend himself to try to
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parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
spits up blood onto his stink, onto his sink, he
crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.
She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
ear and the kupdi gras she shoots him after he
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is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
at right here. She's absolutely disgusting and it's.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
All about me, me, me, Scott Morgan, you've seen it all.
I'm gonna try to say, say you something you haven't
seen yet. Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants
focusing only on themselves and not their victims. There is
the drunk, stinking drunk a d a assistant district's attorney
Devin Flanning. And listen to her as what the protocol is?
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Protocol?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And you by aske youters turn off the body?
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Can you have to turn it off?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
And that's your protocol, lawyer.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
So she knows well.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Lawyers, so that's not true.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So we gotta go no it is. That's that's a law.
I'm an ag, I'm an aging.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Let's go on. Those two were kicked out of I
think it was a bar for being drunk and belligerent.
Then you've got oh gosh, she's been called a screaming
bands she and do you hear going I'm an a da,
I'm an Ada. Every cent it starts with I. I
I listen to this woman, Joe Scott.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
He ain't needs not judge me.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He he wants to call a salt.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
We're gonna go through that row.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, he wants to go through assault. No, we're not
doing that. Then no, he he claims I assaulted him. No,
we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And then,
of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,
I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni. And he's
a beautiful life. Dearield, I'm sure you recall Shana Hubers
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that gave her ex boyfriend the quote nos jop he
always want with a handgun. Listen, Starry Vain.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
One of our last conversations we had that was good
was sitting once my best friend of the dentist to
do with the marrs and want to get a noob,
just that.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Kind of person.
Speaker 11 (19:14):
And I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I gave him his nose job.
Speaker 11 (19:17):
He wanted.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I want to marry me if they know that I
kill my boyfriend and helped.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
Not funny, but I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Know, Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics and death investigator. Your
forte is dead bodies and causes of death and modes
of death. Let me go to special guests joining us now,
Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that? I don't
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know if you saw this for yourself, but me and
Gioni's defensive team is actually arguing his life was derailed
by the murder charges.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all
they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I've seen photos of Luegia Minchioni practicing yoga, tickling multiple
girls in a hallway all at once. Every shot I
see of him, he's out in nature. He's not at work.
We keep hearing he quit his job. He was laid off. Gee,
I wonder why maybe the job interfered with the tickling
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crime stories with Nancy Grace throughout this week, Luigia Mangioni
and his defensive team have been fighting it out in
court to get a lot of evidence suppressed. Forget about
all the sad sack women lined up to get in.
Forget about the martyrdom of Luigi Mangioni. Let's talk about
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the facts and the law.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
Listen taking orders as she tells the operator, I have
a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
of them is no better. The nine one one operator,
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Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
ask for a description, with the manager replying, the only
thing you can see is the eyebrows.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Joining us is Skuy Lazarro. She's a veteran criminal defense attorney.
She's practiced in both She's practiced in both state and
federal court. She is with Ray Quinny and nebecker Sky.
Thank you for being with us. If the defense is
arguing that Luigimngioni was illegally arrested, the nine to one
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one call occurred before the arrest, So what could be
the possible grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.
Speaker 14 (22:14):
I think they're going to have a really hard time
keeping the nine to one one call out. I can
understand it from a defense perspective. You have to try,
but when it comes to nine to one one calls,
as long as you can lay the foundation for it,
it's probably coming in.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I can tell you one thing I know Sky lazarro
that they hate about this nine to one one call.
We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slaghings
for Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described Brian
Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows. Listen, just remember seeing.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
This figure that was like not fat obviously, but more
of like the skinnyer tongue build.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
And some mask on.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
I don't know what the exactly was, but when I
thought about it, it was just like covering here and here.
I don't know if he's covering his mouth his nose
or below his mouth and nose. I just remember knowing
that he was white, but I didn't know how he
was white.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
I just knew he was and this knowing.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
There's like I knew he had looked at me because
of a Bushye, that's all I remember.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Joining me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
cold blood. You know, I have had a killer identified.
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He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
identified because he walked sleugh footed, in other words, like
a duck. They are all sorts of ways to identify someone.
It can be by voice, it could be any number
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of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said, bushy eyebrows,
and there's no doubt that's Luigi Mangioni. They hate it.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
They hate that identification, Tom, Yeah, they do, because you know,
it shows how important Nancy and we did this when
we first started talking about this case, how important the
videos and all the photos were to get out to
the public, even if his face was covered, even if
he was in a cab or.
Speaker 11 (24:32):
Whatever it was, because those eyebrows jumped off the page
to everyone who looked at it. That was the number
one thing that everyone looked at as a looking point
and identification point when it came to him, and it
just showed that the quicker they got those photos out,
the better it was.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious
about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
by his eye browse, among other things. Let's see the
pictures of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is
at McDonald's. But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the
defense should be more concerned about the fact that he
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can be identified at the time of the killing. He
showed his face repeatedly. I agree with you.
Speaker 14 (25:20):
He probably should have been a little bit more careful
at that time and that should be the stuff they're
seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
it goes to the nine to one one call. The
defenses probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
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They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
turns out to be him.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Speaking of getting to the McDonald's. The defense is arguing
that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind
of under arrest because so many police started showing up
and massing at the McDonald's. They were concerned, if this
is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed, and
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as a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
with him, so they were right. Now, what the defense
is arguing is that having multipolice multiple police officers show
up is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we
care because police engaged in a conversation with him to
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identify him, and he spilled a lot of information in
that conversation. The state says it was before his arrest.
Why does it matter, because a statement taken while you
are in custody without miranda will be suppressed. So they
want the judge to believe that because several police officers
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showed up at McDonald's, that me and Gioni was effectively
under arrest in any statement he made pre miranda should
be suppressed. That's not going to happen when I walk
into Let's just pretend Chipotle and all the Atlanta PD
are in there getting a salad. I don't feel like
I'm under arrest. Think about it. Listen.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
Mangoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's. Manjoni
sits to eat breakfast. At nine oh three. Eleven minutes later,
the nine one one call is made. Nine twenty eight
two police officers show up and begin talking to Mangoni.
The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police until nine
forty two, when at least eight officers are visible on
the recording. The defense claims packing the place with police
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amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest. Agnifilo argues
police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount to illegally
detaining the alleged killer. Agniffilo also takes exception with the
way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest, claiming it
was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In other words, they looked in his back Cheryl McCollum
joining me. She is not only a crime scene investigator
and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she
is also the star of a hit podcast which I
actually put on a loop sometimes. Cheryl McCollum, Zone seven,
Cheryl McCollum, has it ever dawned on you when you
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go into McDonald's for a cup of coffee, that you're
arresting somebody, that you're a mere presence equals an arrest,
Because that's what they're arguing and what they're trying to do, Cheryl,
is get out from under what Manngioni said to police
pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think the body cam is going to be so
critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
It's going to, you know, show the world that he
stood up and thought he was under arrest. Only a
guilty person would think that, Nancy. What the defense is
doing is there basically, look, you use newer to make
something grow, right, So they are planting and cultivating and
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trying to grow this story that he's the victim, that
he didn't do anything, that he was under arrest, and
now we can't use anything, and it's just be a.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom.
Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
Speaker 15 (29:24):
He's a young man and he is being treated like
a human ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here,
and they are literally treating him like he is like
some sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
He was on display for everyone to see in the
biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
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There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
idea it was in their arsenal. And to have all
of these these the press there, the media there, it
was like perfectly core aoreograph. And what was the New
York City mayor doing at this press conference?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
He is a walking talking contradiction.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
He supposedly is against this wealthy CEO is yet he
comes for money.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This is the guy living in a high rise in
Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning. Did you
wake up to a beach this morning? Dec I Sert
did not. The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and
nail to keep out what happened in that McDonald's, and
as Cheryl McCombs pointing out, that bodycam is going to
be so significant because It doesn't matter what the state says.
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It doesn't matter what the defense says or how much
Luigi Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what
really happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get
the nine one one call suppressed, that's not happening. But
what happened in the McDonald's Is the state going to
lose valuable evidence on illegal technicality? Why is it they
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want that backpack suppressed? Straight out to Investigator at large
for dailymail dot com kill Lebrandley. What was in the backpack? Nancy?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun
which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it, and
he also had a knife on him, which was discovered
about twenty minutes later, so he was armed and at
that point he was considered very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, hold on, what did you say was written in
Mangione's spiral notebook.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
That was in his backpack that he wanted any use
the word whack the healthcare CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
No wonder they want it suppressed to Dave mac Crime
Stories investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun
sometimes called a ghost gun.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
know it's a pistol, but we don't know the exact
name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
amount of time and filament far more than any other.
Deliberator is the most common, and it's the easiest one
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to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator
takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
Nancy thirty hours to print the easiest of all the pistols.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
made on a three D printer. Tom, It's unserialized. That's
why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
is long gun, is shotgun under the bed? You think
it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
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serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
gun is un serialized.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
And that is why so many criminals and Luigi Maggioni
of course went to the lengths that he did to
make that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation
of it. Already, he's already thinking ahead of that gun
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not being traced to him, and that is part of
this as well.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Tom Smith, you're exactly correct. To Justin Scott Morgan. Let
me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
death sayings, and he's a star of hit podcast Body.
(33:42):
Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
is silenced, it is suppressed. That means that the crack
of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,
it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So
what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
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I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
close look at that weapon. There the end of that
muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
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want to knock down the sound, so it's not going
to draw attention to you when you fired this thing.
Because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce
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the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
of this is so that you're not going to draw
attention to any one. It does reduce, say, some of
the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness
of it at a greater range. But this is this
is not a close range. As a matter of fact,
if we were to look at the body here, it
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would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to
have any kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It
will have fallen away by that time, but this is
not too distant of a shot. You'll still have that
same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl
McCollum is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns
and silencers.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Criminals, And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is
a three D printed weapon, it's still gonna lead marking
on casons and they're gonna be able to be, you know,
determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.
So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.
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They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to
a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet
was fired by that weapon.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is
like a fish in water for you. Every day you
were getting off the streets of Manhattan guns to match
with bullets, bullets that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
And Cheryl said it right. A bullet hurls down the
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barrel of a gun, that gun may look like all
the other guns in the gun store showcase. But it's
not because inside the barrel, the metal has cooled in
a certain way and it leaves ridges and imperfections on
the inside of the barrel, and as that bullet shoots
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down the barrel, it is forever marked by those imperfections.
So when you take the murder weapon to the crime
lab and you shoot a bullet through the murder weapon,
and you take the known bullet dug out of the
victim and you put it under a microscope next to
the one you just shot, it's like a fingerprint. No
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other gun, be it a three D printed gun, a
grandma's Bessie's out from under her her mattress, you can
track and identify like a fingerprint, that bullet came from
that gun. Isn't that true?
Speaker 11 (37:54):
And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
the twist and all of that is what you match up.
And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable, you know,
to anyone else. It is strictly to that weapon that
you will match up the weapon. Take the round taken
out of the victim and match it up and that
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is damaging when it comes to court.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three
day pretty gun is the murder weapon. Listen to Alvin Bragg,
the Manhattan District Attorney, For.
Speaker 16 (38:40):
Nearly an hour we alledged to the definitet waited in
the area near the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson
to appear. From six thirty eight am to six forty
four am. The defendant stood across from the entrance of
the hotel on West fifty fourth Street. When he saw
mister Thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind.
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We alleged he then took out a nine millimeter three
D printed ghost gun equipped with a three D printed
suppressor and shot him once in the back and once
in the leg.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What about his beach bum life?
Just before the assassination.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Right around the time he disappeared, he traps off to
Asia and he went on a backpacking trip.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
The beach Bumb photos and the two thousand dollars month
eye rise and the Frola King and Honolulu. Oh my goodness,
he might as well bucked up with the writz calib
Brantley Daily Mail. The defense for Luigi Maggioni is also
trying to suppress statements he allegedly made to his guards.
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He had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen
to him like it did to Epstein. So let's first
talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was
minding Mangioni. What did Manngioni allegedly say to Rivers Nancy.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
at social media, they were really more focused about the
healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi said.
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This was really about.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Wow, sounds like a confession to me, Sky lazarro Oopsie.
Speaker 14 (40:40):
Nancy, I agree and disagree.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
They put these guys in a situation like that in
solitary where they can't talk to anybody else. And the
other thing is that we know these officers didn't document
any of this. They're supposed to be taking notes seven
times an hour about what he's doing and his well being,
and he don't write down anything like he just made
an admission.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sky Lazarro, did you say it's a problem he's being
held in solitary. You know who else is in solitary,
Brian Thompson, except his is a casket. So you're telling
me again, I can't believe you're buying into this, Sky Lazarro,
that he's the one that's being tormented. You know what else?
He told Rivers that Rivers should really read Doors a
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Perception by Aldus Huxley, which is all about psychedelic drug
trips and mystical interpretations. Needless to say, Rivers did not
read the book. But there is another guard that he
talked to. This is the one I'm really interested in listening.
Speaker 13 (41:49):
Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That
doesn't stop Man Jonny from telling Henry he was caught
with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
murder CEO Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Niphelo challenges Henry, saying,
so he just blurted out to you that he had
a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies, yes too.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Doctor Angela Arnold joining us. She's a renowned psychiatrist out
of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold dot com, foreim
Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on. Former medical director
at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has
a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses
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and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold. Why is
this so hard? I've met a jury's not going to
have a hard time believing this that Luigi Mangioni, who
has had a lifetime of entitlement, would blab to his
guards why they're his new friends. They would never betray him,
right yep?
Speaker 8 (42:50):
Oh sure.
Speaker 17 (42:51):
And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers from some sort
of personality disorder in which he thinks about him so
an awful lot. So he really doesn't He may not
see that he's done anything wrong, and he probably hasn't
suffered any consequences for any of his actions in the past,
and so that would make him more likely to almost
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be bragging about what he's done and to let other
people know what he's done. This is typical for his
behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Tom Smith joining me, Former NYPD detective thirty years now,
star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What is
wrong with rich people? Do they think they can just
get away with everything? Anything and everything they can confess
they can stay. Yeah, they caught me with the three
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D printed gun, which is the murder weapon. What is
wrong with them? Have you noticed the same sense of
entitlement sometimes does them end? Because they think they can
buy off everybody that everybody wants to be their friend,
but these two guards do not want to be his friend.
Speaker 11 (44:08):
Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You
know they've gotten what they want, did they'd neither pay
for it or the power that they have has influenced
someone's decision into what they're getting or what they're doing,
and they just think that holds true for every aspect
of their life, including killing someone. I mean, that's how
deranged they are when it comes to the entitlement that
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they believe they are are owed when it comes to
murder or you know, killing a bride. We did that show.
You know, it's just constant and it just keeps coming
up and it's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Tom, I want you to look at a picture, if
I can get the controller to put it up for me,
dig through those files. I want to see the picture
allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three day
with the silencer on it, pointing directly at Brian Thompson's back.
According to police, he waited an hour for just the
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right moment. There's his backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's.
There's his outfit which he had with him. There's the
three D weapon, and let's look at Brian Thompson walking
along early morning going to a work conference. He shot
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in the back right there. And I'm not going to
play that when he actually gets shot, because someday, somehow
his boys might look this up online and I don't
want this to be stuck in their memory. Calla Brantley.
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Were any of me Gie Only's family members in court
and were any of the victims' family members in court
this week?
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Not that we know of Nancy, but a lot of
Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
by having hordes of fans because he is a handsome man.
That he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm sure
his defense team is happy that they have a relatively
(46:22):
attractive man as a client.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Kiala, I don't find him attractive. Every time I look
at him, I see a tail swishing in the back
and two horns right here. That's what I see. What
is happening in court this week is critical. If this
evidence is suppressed, there may be no justice in this case.
(46:45):
A man shut down on the sidewalk on video and
no justice. We wait as justice of folds. But now
we remember an American Hero Reserve Deputy Sheriff John Stall,
Jefferson County Sheriff's, Indiana, killed in a line of duty
(47:05):
after fifteen years of service, leaving behind a devastated wife
turned wided American Hero Reserve Deputy Shriff John Stall. Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye friend,
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