November 8, 2025 • 44 mins
Cohasset man Brian Walshe has been indicted for the murder of his wife, Ana Walshe, who vanished in January 2023, after a New Year's Eve party.
Prosecutors say the 48-year-old husband dismembered Ana Walshe and discarded her body in multiple trash cans in the area. Police have recovered blood-stained items from the home, including a hacksaw.
Walshe has pleaded 'not guilty' to first-degree murder. As he awaits his trial at the Norfolk County jail in Dedham, we learn Walshe was stabbed behind bars. He was taken to a Boston hospital to be treated for his injuries and released later that night.
According to the Norfolk County Sheriff's office, he was assaulted with a "makeshift blunt instrument." The attack was recorded on jailhouse video.
Walshe's next competency hearing is set for November 14. Jury selection is set to begin November 18.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- David Studdard - Spalding County, Ga. Assistant District Attorney; Former Police Officer
- Caryn Stark - Psychologist; X: @carnpsych
- Tom Ruskin - Private Investigator, President of the CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.; Former New York City Police Detective Investigator; Twitter: @tomruskin
- Julie Lewis - President & CEO, Digital Mountain, Inc.
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast:"Mayhem in the Morgue;" Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Bob Ward - Reporter for Boston 25 News; X: Bward3, FB: Bob Ward Boston 25
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Anna Walsh, the working mom of beautiful little boys, suddenly
just disappears. Her husband says she's on the way to
the airport, but she didn't have a flight. She never
made it to the airport, and she never ordered a car.
So where's Anna. Well, according to prosecutors, she's dead and
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dismembered because of husband Brian Walsh, a convicted art thief,
a con man, and now.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Brian Walsh, according to.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The state, has gotten a taste of his own medicine.
He was stabbed behind bars, but he lived. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That's right, just before his murder trial
and his wife's disc appearance, Brian Walsh is stabbed behind
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bars in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He was assaulted a.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Few Thursday nights ago at the Norfolk County Jail in Denham.
He was taken to a Boston hospital to be treated
and was released. Okay, so you're not getting out of trial.
Can we talk about why? This is what the state
says Brian Walch did to his wife, Anna, the mother
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of their little boys.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
New Tonight police are asking the public to help them
find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
she works during the week, but there's no record of
her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
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able to confirm that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
not board a plane this week.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Just a loving wife and mother Dave.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
She always says, three beautiful boys, three borutical boys.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
So she loves so.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You were hearing our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Where's Anna Now?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I had to take that exact flight very often, and
between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But first I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
To Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News. You
can find them at Twitter at b war three. Bob,
thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize
that a little bit better than I did? I mean,
I know, out of in New York, I would very
often have to race from Court TV to get to
the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than
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the main LaGuardia terminal because they had hourly flights not
only to Atlanta but to DC where I would go
to shoot Larry King. And believe it or not, they
were so regular, almost like a bus. For Pete's sake,
I could be there within two hours of leaving the
studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But there's so many
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flights out of Logan to New York and DC. That's
a lot of investigation to find out if she really
did get on a plane.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning,
this sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day.
This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
She had a party at her house that went until
about one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
New Year's Eve into New Year's Day.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
A mother of three who claimed there was an emergency
at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, we wait, let me, let's start right there. Bob
Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm
drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're
giving me so much information so quickly. So with the
three children. She was actually working in DC, living in
the Boston area. And what was her job in DC?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Was it a new job?
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Was it was a fairly new job. You know, we're
still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But she
had she had a job with an apartment down in
d C.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, but what was her job in DC?
Speaker 7 (04:45):
I'm not clear on what her job was. She was
not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on just
a moment. We all know about getting a new job,
you feel like you got to do whatever they want
to make that great impression so they don't say, wow,
we've got her on six months probation we're going to
can her.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David
Stuttard is with me right now, Guys.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now I think of David Stutter as a motorman, as
an APD Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is
a very well known lawyer.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
David Stutter. Do you remember your first day on the
job as a cop?
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (05:28):
I do, And it was a long long time ago,
nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day,
and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting
to get out and save the world and.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
desk assignment.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
That's right. We were on a very strict six month
probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
to get to that probationary perier.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you
remember your first day working as a lawyer? Like, man,
I'm gon unscrew this up. This is nothing like being
a cop.
Speaker 9 (06:06):
That's absolutely right, the same sort of feelings.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, Karen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Stark, you remember you would be with me on the
set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me, a
renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's
at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen, you'd
be with me on the set at Court TV, and
my stomach would be churning to figure out if I
can make that flight to get to Larry King's studios
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in Washington to get on the air, you know, and
I would make it. I don't think I ever did
not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
got to fly to d C to be on tonight,
I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman,
they go, hey you got to fly down to DC.
We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New
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Year's Day, and she would hop that plane. Would you
agree with that?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
I would agree with it. Nancy, and I remember those
days like it was yesterday. You were always doing above
and beyond what you needed to do. I used to
watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe that
you would make it, and you always made it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But what pressure?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, there were a lot of white knuckles and a
cab trying to get to La Guardian Marine. So we're
hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right, But yet
it was a new job, so people talked it off. Well,
you know, she's proving herself. But then things even went
more sideways. Take a listen to our friends at Boston
twenty five.
Speaker 11 (07:31):
A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spire. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log, on his phone last pig on
January second, at three fourteen am in cohacit and hit
the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay with me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Former NYPD investigator.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin,
I don't like it when it's your job calling to
report you missing, not your family.
Speaker 12 (08:37):
Correct, I mean distinks to the high heavens. It really
does not to mention that it is a lot easier
now than when I join the force before my colleague
in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check
TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a certain
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number of airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,
and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity
to go into those records now and search for her name,
her data, birth and see if she A had a
plane reservation, B did she clear security with all the
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cameras that are in airports, and C did she actually
get on the flight?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I hadn't even thought of, because I remember.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Going in your life at this stutter, going to the
Greyhound bus station in Inner City Atlantic trying to find
out if a particular woman who always into this day
is still a Jane Dae.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
By the way, who's murdered if.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Don't worry. I got them on one one.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
But it was so hard to do to Nancy. You'll
also remember when you ran from Court TV to the
Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport. You used to be
able to run through no matinatometers. You'd run on a
Delta flight or People's Express flight or Eastern back then,
and you just jump on the flight with a random
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ticket that you could just say any hour. Nowadays, you
can't do that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh no, tsa man.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They got to justify their existence and so they will
do a full on body cavity search if they feel
like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know
who you get searched the most. My mother going in
with a wheelchair when we push her around the airport,
even though she can walk.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
couple of air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you just hate it
when people stab you? I mean that could be.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Deadly right Brian Walsh Walsh facing trial for the murder
of his wife and the dismemberment of her body, leaving
behind her little boys to be raised without a mother.
Unlike his wife Anna. He was treated at the hospital
and then released back to the custody of the local jail.
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Anna Walsh was not so lucky. The employer is reporting
Anna missing, not her family, but listen to this WBZ.
Speaker 13 (11:42):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends the same
day Anna was reported missing to police.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Said Brian Walsh, and hope all is going well. I
was just apreci out to basically everybody I could. Anna
has a in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
calling everyone. So I've heard to bother you for everything. Fine.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So we do see the husband reaching out to her
friends and leaving voicemails for all of them trying to
find out if they had heard from Anna and joining
me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
At Digital Mountain dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Julie, thank you for being with us Tom Ruskin, the
PI points out how much easier it is to check
flight records through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly,
or asking the carrier you know, like Delta to check
their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
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So according to police, she didn't make that flight. But
what Julie lewis about ride share, lift, Uber and all
the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a trail if she
had taken a ride chair to the airport.
Speaker 14 (13:04):
But you can certainly contact the custodian of records at
the ubers the lists and types of companies that she
would have taken a ride share and find out that
information with legal due process and see what you know,
what the actual fact pattern is there?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get
their right chair through their phone app.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
If you have access to her yes.
Speaker 15 (13:31):
If you have access to her phone, you knew the
whereabouts of that phone. You would have access to.
Speaker 14 (13:38):
The app, but most of that data would be stored
in the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application.
Speaker 15 (13:46):
Uh not, it might not be stored on the local phone.
Speaker 14 (13:48):
So that's something to consider.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
have her phone, but we do have her coach say
it like everybody else in America their birthday or their
children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
can we get into the iCloud that way?
Speaker 15 (14:09):
Typically you would need the user name, you would need.
Speaker 14 (14:13):
A password for the accounts, and you would also if
they have Multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the
text message.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So a little harder than I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But you know what we're talking about, her phone and
where she Where is the husband during all of this?
Take a listener Our cut thirty five, Lynn Bi Lund talking.
Speaker 16 (14:36):
If I need to indicating on January first, at three pm,
we did some memorans and which was not his house
and swamps but but lost because he didn't have his phone.
He said, you know, he was lost when he saw
a pirate ship one root one defenders stayed, stayed fifteen minutes,
then went to Whole Foods and CBS. Savannahs has checked
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and he did not enter either with those stores.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Bob Ward, Boston twenty five on this the disappearance of
Anna Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship en
route one what Okay, no, wait a.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Minute, wait, wait, wait, So he says.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The husband says he's going to visit his mother and
he gets lost on the way to his mom's home,
and when he sees a pirate ship, he knows he's lost,
but then it goes into Whole Foods and CBS even
though he's lost.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
What the pirate ship is a landmark on the rout
one area. There's that area of Swampskip where his mother lives.
There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that
sort of thing. And I think that's what it was
that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw
that told him where he was. And he said he
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got lost because he didn't have a GPS on his
phone with him because he's elected at home.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Karen Starry, I find that very unused.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it.
Why doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a
cell phone, especially if he hasn't hear from his wife.
Wouldn't you keep your cell phone with you at that
time in case she called?
Speaker 10 (16:18):
Well, let's think about this.
Speaker 14 (16:20):
Nancy.
Speaker 10 (16:20):
How many people really leave home these days without their phone.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It's it's improbable.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something
very unusual.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Take a listener to our cut forty.
Speaker 16 (16:56):
Data from the phone also practice We're boats on January through.
It locations were traveled at foot twenty seven on January
through to an apartment complex in Abington. So Veillance shows
the dependant's bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's
appearance Exeter.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Cab near the dumpster.
Speaker 16 (17:14):
He walks to the dumpster carrying in garbage bag he's
leaning and it appears to be heavy as he has
to keft it into the dumpster.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
He walks to the dumpster with the.
Speaker 16 (17:26):
Garbage bag and leaves it on full.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Forty eight.
Speaker 16 (17:30):
He hit another complex in Abington and at five ten pm,
cell phone shows records at another apartment in Brockton. Video
shows a party consistent with his appearance and his Bobbo
again he decided items in the dumpster, Bob Warren joining
us from Boston twenty five on his disappearance.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with
my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside
our house. But it starts going from one dumpster to
the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to the next dumpster,
all in within a one hour period.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That concerns me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And you know who reminds me of and you're gonna
know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut
mom of five. Remember for her husband Fotus Dillos and
his mistress, they're going all around town dropping off items
and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it, Bob,
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or maybe you can shed some light on this. Why
is it that when a woman goes missing, her husband
suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has to
throw out the trash.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Good question, Nanty, I think we know the answer to that.
And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
third incident that you just played the cut from the
dumpsters in the south Shore and Abington and Brockton. What
we're going to find out in court, that is, when
the remains of on a wallsh are being discarded in
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those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator
in the south shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour
of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed.
Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought
is that they never will be because that's where those
bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered
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in this case were brought to the north shore near
that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they
were not brought to an incinerator, but to a landfill
they were found and it's inside I don't know from
getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is
where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in
this case.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said
one more time in very slowly?
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think the gist is that very quickly after husband
Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned
out where the trash was picked up and taken some
to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark,
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have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny
bit of truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy
is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right,
like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke,
but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're
very adept at being able to tell a lie that
has a little bit of truth in it but a
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lot of falsehood.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I like the very abused conjure.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like a magician or a wizard, because one moment
on a Walsh is there with witnesses at a New
Year's Eve party, and the next moment she's gone. Brian
Walsh was stab behind bars, but he lived his wife,
His beautiful young wife, the only one working in supporting
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the family, was not so lucky. A week after her disappear,
as prosecutors say, investigators find blood, bloody, a bloody and
damaged knife in the basement, strongly believing he disposed of
her body near his own mother's home. Did I mention
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he had a two point seven million dollar life insurance
policy with him as a soul beneficiary. What else do
we know? Bob Ward joining me, investigative reporter of Boston
twenty five, tell me again what you just said?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
So.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, is
recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into dumpsters
in the south Shore of Boston in the towns of
Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash bags
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that he was struggling with to get into the dumpsters
contained the dismembered remains of his wife.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
On a w wash.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated
and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found.
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It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did
not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in
the case on the south Shore. The allegation is that
he took his tools, the instruments that he used to
dismember his wife's body along with some of her clothes
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and belongings, and put them in other trash bags and
discarded those things in dumpsters on the north shore of
Boston his mother's house near that pirate ship. Those trash
bags have been recovered and those items are going to
be an important part of this case, in this trial
when it takes place.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
trash bags in January?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, they found
Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
they found.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And now lawyer, what rank did you get to? Started?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
I left, there's an investigator. Nantell's a homicide detective and
I left.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
a homicide.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Without a body, Yes, I had. Can I just say
that a tough pill to swallow?
Speaker 9 (24:02):
It is, but fortunately even in those cases and this guy, look,
you know, as a homicide detective. I would have been
looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
he is contacted by her employer does he make an
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outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
I get frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
trying to call her and call her. This guy has
done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
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and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
which to my point is, you know, even the most
careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
mountain of it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, it could you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I'm gonna circle back to
you just a moment about possible nav systems on his car,
but Tom Ruskin joining me, then, don't want Karen start
to weigh in on this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's
private investigator or extraordinary President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group,
(25:25):
Tom listen, I don't like jewelry. I really don't like
fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But if you
were to take let's just say, this little ring right here,
this is made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay,
it's very thin, it's not be jeweled, but if you
(25:49):
were to take that, I would come after you.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
All right. There are just some things that would matter
to me.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
want her to fancy boots and her proud of hers
thrown out.
Speaker 12 (26:04):
No, and it would be weird if she had left
and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect,
and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of
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the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't
need a body anymore to prove a case.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It sure helps, though, man, Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as
heck helps if you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Do have a dead body to prove a murder case.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
But it also goes against him because we know that
he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
pickup's not working at his house?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And start he's so right, And Karen, again, I threw
this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do guys
turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?
And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
(27:21):
He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.
Her employer has to call looking for her. And then
he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it
at the corner at the end of the driveway or
the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why
do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And
because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody
rags and towels in a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Do something different.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to
get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean,
he gets lost going to his mother.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He didn't get lost.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
to the next.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
And also saying that he went to places where they
could check and he did not go.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
So, Nancy, can I jump in for one sec. Yes,
I just want to bring well, to bring up the
fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband
has nothing to do with her murder. This is a
woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston
to Washington on business trip. Why is her phone off?
(28:25):
No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
we go to the airport, you shut off your phone
once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
to mister Startdard's point once you land. Why is she
becoming a low a suddensereptitious or becoming covert in her actions?
Which sort of defies the logic of the husband.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Tom Ruskin private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I
don't guess any of you people on this panel have
read Don't be a Victim written by what's that girl's name, Oh,
Nancy Grace. You're suppose to take a picture of when
you're in the parking deck, which I do and send
in my family, and then when I get them on
the plane, I take a picture I'm on the plane
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and send to them. You don't even have to write
a text or write words, but just let people know
where you're going.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
JACKI I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes,
I have. Okay, guys, that's not the end of it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But I want to ask Julie Louis Something, President and
CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I like
to just say on Star as a blanket nav description,
wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were,
you know, anything older than twenty ten?
Speaker 15 (29:42):
So before I jump into that, I just you were
talking about pictures, and there was.
Speaker 14 (29:46):
Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
ring off in some of her final photos, and so
within that picture there's things called excess data that you
can look for that potentially could have g location information
about where she was when the picture was taken.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
catch that, Julie Lewis so.
Speaker 14 (30:08):
Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
a moving computer these days on most cars. With why
fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these things.
Speaker 15 (30:22):
That you can use for tracking.
Speaker 14 (30:24):
So if Brian's car has has that in it, law
enforcement could have certainly.
Speaker 15 (30:30):
Used that information.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
The other thing that happens in cars is a lot
of people think their phones and so text messages, contacts,
you know, browser history, all these things may be on
that on the car now. You know, for example, if
you rent.
Speaker 15 (30:47):
A car, even that information can be on that.
Speaker 14 (30:50):
So that's something that's really important to note.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
the car can track everything that you have written on
your phone during that time.
Speaker 15 (31:01):
It could be thinking like when you are in a
uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it could actually
down on that. So you don't want to go in
some strangers car rental car.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
And plug it in because the car and fountainment system
could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Good to know crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why was
Brian Walsh stabbed?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We know that the inmates in that facility have access
to television. There are of course iPads, so many of
them know what he is accused of doing to his
beautiful wife, who, by the way, was the only one
working in the family. His Google searches were damning. I mean,
what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough. Take
(31:58):
a listen to our cut thirty six This is Land
Bilan talking on.
Speaker 16 (32:02):
January first, defenitive googled using.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
A son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows.
Speaker 16 (32:10):
Keep in mind that the dependant said he left at
sixty six am. At four fifty five am on January first,
he searched how long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
Speaker 13 (32:28):
Eight am?
Speaker 16 (32:29):
How to stop a body from decomposing?
Speaker 13 (32:32):
At five twenty am.
Speaker 16 (32:33):
He searched how to mount the body At five forty
seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body
if you really need to. At six twenty five am
on the first, how long for someone to be missing
to inherit? At six thirty four am on first, can
the go away body pots?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical
examin Or, Terrant County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas
Christian University Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for
being with us. Let me just ask you a couple
days and I'd like to point out also, this is
food for thought for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his
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son's iPad.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like they don't know how to read the.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Search history and there's daddy searching. How long before a
body starts to smell? How do you stop a body
from decomposing? How to get rid of a body? Ten
ways to dispose of a dead body if you really
need to. I'm glad he had to tack that on
at the end. How long before? How long for someone
to be missing to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns.
(33:47):
Can you throw away body parts? Okay? I'm starting to
agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter that you don't
really need the dead body to prove that someone is dead.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me some quick answers
to those This is a lightning round for you, how
long before a body starts to smell, doctor Crowns?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
For ten days?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
a body from decomposing?
Speaker 8 (34:15):
Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
found in the iceberg ot to see the iceman. He
was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in
the iceberg. So really, refrigeration is the best way to
prevent a body from decomposing.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
really need to.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
You have to, you know, if you don't want the
trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was
possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual
and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
human and then mix them in with other trash, and
then other good way is to put them in. I
(35:02):
think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the
body parts down into kind of a slug.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually Nancy scaring many
people that are listening to you right now putting it
in pool. Wait a minute, Karen start, I know you've
got something toad.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 8 (35:21):
There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the
bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this
kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I really am. But guess what, guys, there's more.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Take a listen again to lend Biland at nine twenty
nine AM.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
What does from Aldeheide do?
Speaker 9 (35:53):
At nine thirty four?
Speaker 10 (35:54):
You one first?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
How long does the na lift?
Speaker 16 (35:58):
At nine fifty nine A can identification be made when
passionate remains? At eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the
best ways to dispose of avoiding at eleven forty four.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
How to put blood from wooden.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Flu at eleven fifty six On the.
Speaker 16 (36:16):
First moment, all to detect blood at one oh eight?
What happens when you put body pots in a moment
at one one pm? Is the better the full clime
scene close away?
Speaker 9 (36:28):
Or wash them?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Those one the general worst?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three
little boys are left without their mother while this guy
is googling what does for meldehide do? How long does
DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?
(36:56):
And best ways to dispose of a body? What happens
when you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw
away crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor
Kendel Crown's lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last?
Speaker 8 (37:12):
You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What does from aldehyde do?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use
to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved
for a long periods of time.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl
Crowns That.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
One, I don't know. That's a new one to me,
as far as I know, I stopped.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen.
Speaker 16 (37:42):
One can ry third. That same day at one o
two pm, you did some more Google searches. What happens
to hear on a dead body at one thirteen pm?
What is the rate of decomposition of the body found
in a plastic bag compared to on a service in
the woods at one pm?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And beating soda mask?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, maybe he is not good Ken baking soda make
a body a dead body smell good. These Google searches
have led to a bombshell development in the search for
Anna Walch. Bob Were Joining Me Boston twenty five News
and indictment explain.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,
and improper disposal of a body. So his case is
being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior
Court has the authority if he is when he has
tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to
hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder
(38:46):
for life not for all, which is the maximum sentence
here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty. In Massachusetts. Naty,
Can I just say one thing about the internet searches,
and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me
when I go back over this timeline and you realize
that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there
were three people at this party. There was Brian Anna,
(39:08):
and they had one guest in the house, and that
guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one
o'clock in the morning. That first search how long before
a body starts to smell is at four fifty five
am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock
in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone,
(39:31):
and that search is done, and I just think about that,
and I think that she's in the house. They also
found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment.
They said that they found blood in the basement and
they found I think it was two bloody knives, one
broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell
(39:52):
of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know,
I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there
in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and
he finds his kids iPad and he's doing these searches
within a couple of hours of his wife being there,
someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing.
I had a story, I broke a story about how
(40:15):
he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And
here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three,
in the house with her dead body and this is
she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up
with this plan on what to do with her remains.
You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing
this for forty years, and the depravity of this case
(40:36):
to me is really just off the charts.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
why why did he do this?
Speaker 7 (40:55):
There's another detail here too, And from talking to investigators,
The New York Post had this, this picture you all
may have seen, and I talked to an investigator about this.
There was a champagne, a box of champagne from the
party that the New York Post got a picture of.
That was that was on the dining room table. I
(41:17):
went knocked on the door. When before all this blew out,
before everything happened, I was trying to talk to Brian.
I did you know when she was missing?
Speaker 9 (41:25):
And we didn't know what we.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
its box, and the New York Post got a picture
(41:47):
of this, and on the side of the box on
a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through.
Twenty twenty two was a tough year, but twenty twenty
three is going to be a great year. I love you, Anna,
and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator
(42:11):
that I spoke to said they believed that that was her.
Those are her last words to the world. And when
I look at there's another Internet search here from December
twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search
was found, so they didn't say if it was on
the kids iPad or it was on a phone or
(42:31):
a computer, but all it said was the best state
for a divorce for a man. So that's from December
twenty seventh, when Honor still alive, before the New Year's
Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this,
whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never
saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I
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think because the story that I broke about the threat
that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged,
they were just dating. She complained to DC police that
he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think,
and I know investigators think that this is a domestic
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violence case and there's an escalation that started then in
twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's
pointing at a bruise on her face and she said
that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's
on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there
was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the
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police were ever called, but something happened was going on
behind the scenes, and this is going to be one
of the things that I'm going to be watching for
to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded,
because you don't, you don't get to this kind of
and this hatred to you know, I can understand a
(43:57):
moment of passion, of murder, of a moment of anger,
but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here,
and these messages that are caught on the iPad, and
then what we've been talking about with the disposal of
the body, it's almost too much.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Do you blame the inmates for being angry with Brian Walsh?
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, good
bye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Anna Walsh, the working mom of beautiful little boys, suddenly
just disappears. Her husband says she's on the way to
the airport, but she didn't have a flight. She never
made it to the airport, and she never ordered a car.
So where's Anna. Well, according to prosecutors, she's dead and
(00:29):
dismembered because of husband Brian Walsh, a convicted art thief,
a con man, and now.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Brian Walsh, according to.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The state, has gotten a taste of his own medicine.
He was stabbed behind bars, but he lived. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. That's right, just before his murder trial
and his wife's disc appearance, Brian Walsh is stabbed behind
(01:03):
bars in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He was assaulted a.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Few Thursday nights ago at the Norfolk County Jail in Denham.
He was taken to a Boston hospital to be treated
and was released. Okay, so you're not getting out of trial.
Can we talk about why? This is what the state
says Brian Walch did to his wife, Anna, the mother
(01:31):
of their little boys.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
New Tonight police are asking the public to help them
find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
she works during the week, but there's no record of
her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
(01:54):
able to confirm that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
not board a plane this week.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Just a loving wife and mother Dave.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
She always says, three beautiful boys, three borutical boys.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
So she loves so.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You were hearing our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Where's Anna Now?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I had to take that exact flight very often, and
between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But first I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
To Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News. You
can find them at Twitter at b war three. Bob,
thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize
that a little bit better than I did? I mean,
I know, out of in New York, I would very
often have to race from Court TV to get to
the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than
(03:17):
the main LaGuardia terminal because they had hourly flights not
only to Atlanta but to DC where I would go
to shoot Larry King. And believe it or not, they
were so regular, almost like a bus. For Pete's sake,
I could be there within two hours of leaving the
studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But there's so many
(03:39):
flights out of Logan to New York and DC. That's
a lot of investigation to find out if she really
did get on a plane.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning,
this sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day.
This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
She had a party at her house that went until
about one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
New Year's Eve into New Year's Day.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
A mother of three who claimed there was an emergency
at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, we wait, let me, let's start right there. Bob
Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm
drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're
giving me so much information so quickly. So with the
three children. She was actually working in DC, living in
the Boston area. And what was her job in DC?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Was it a new job?
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Was it was a fairly new job. You know, we're
still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But she
had she had a job with an apartment down in
d C.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, but what was her job in DC?
Speaker 7 (04:45):
I'm not clear on what her job was. She was
not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on just
a moment. We all know about getting a new job,
you feel like you got to do whatever they want
to make that great impression so they don't say, wow,
we've got her on six months probation we're going to
can her.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David
Stuttard is with me right now, Guys.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now I think of David Stutter as a motorman, as
an APD Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is
a very well known lawyer.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
David Stutter. Do you remember your first day on the
job as a cop?
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (05:28):
I do, And it was a long long time ago,
nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day,
and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting
to get out and save the world and.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
desk assignment.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
That's right. We were on a very strict six month
probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
to get to that probationary perier.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you
remember your first day working as a lawyer? Like, man,
I'm gon unscrew this up. This is nothing like being
a cop.
Speaker 9 (06:06):
That's absolutely right, the same sort of feelings.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, Karen.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Stark, you remember you would be with me on the
set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me, a
renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's
at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen, you'd
be with me on the set at Court TV, and
my stomach would be churning to figure out if I
can make that flight to get to Larry King's studios
(06:30):
in Washington to get on the air, you know, and
I would make it. I don't think I ever did
not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
got to fly to d C to be on tonight,
I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman,
they go, hey you got to fly down to DC.
We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New
(06:51):
Year's Day, and she would hop that plane. Would you
agree with that?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
I would agree with it. Nancy, and I remember those
days like it was yesterday. You were always doing above
and beyond what you needed to do. I used to
watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe that
you would make it, and you always made it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But what pressure?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, there were a lot of white knuckles and a
cab trying to get to La Guardian Marine. So we're
hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right, But yet
it was a new job, so people talked it off. Well,
you know, she's proving herself. But then things even went
more sideways. Take a listen to our friends at Boston
twenty five.
Speaker 11 (07:31):
A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spire. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
(07:51):
his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log, on his phone last pig on
January second, at three fourteen am in cohacit and hit
the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay with me.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Former NYPD investigator.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin,
I don't like it when it's your job calling to
report you missing, not your family.
Speaker 12 (08:37):
Correct, I mean distinks to the high heavens. It really
does not to mention that it is a lot easier
now than when I join the force before my colleague
in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check
TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a certain
(09:00):
number of airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,
and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity
to go into those records now and search for her name,
her data, birth and see if she A had a
plane reservation, B did she clear security with all the
(09:21):
cameras that are in airports, and C did she actually
get on the flight?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I hadn't even thought of, because I remember.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Going in your life at this stutter, going to the
Greyhound bus station in Inner City Atlantic trying to find
out if a particular woman who always into this day
is still a Jane Dae.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
By the way, who's murdered if.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Don't worry. I got them on one one.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
But it was so hard to do to Nancy. You'll
also remember when you ran from Court TV to the
Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport. You used to be
able to run through no matinatometers. You'd run on a
Delta flight or People's Express flight or Eastern back then,
and you just jump on the flight with a random
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ticket that you could just say any hour. Nowadays, you
can't do that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh no, tsa man.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They got to justify their existence and so they will
do a full on body cavity search if they feel
like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know
who you get searched the most. My mother going in
with a wheelchair when we push her around the airport,
even though she can walk.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
couple of air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you just hate it
when people stab you? I mean that could be.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Deadly right Brian Walsh Walsh facing trial for the murder
of his wife and the dismemberment of her body, leaving
behind her little boys to be raised without a mother.
Unlike his wife Anna. He was treated at the hospital
and then released back to the custody of the local jail.
(11:33):
Anna Walsh was not so lucky. The employer is reporting
Anna missing, not her family, but listen to this WBZ.
Speaker 13 (11:42):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends the same
day Anna was reported missing to police.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Said Brian Walsh, and hope all is going well. I
was just apreci out to basically everybody I could. Anna
has a in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
calling everyone. So I've heard to bother you for everything. Fine.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So we do see the husband reaching out to her
friends and leaving voicemails for all of them trying to
find out if they had heard from Anna and joining
me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
At Digital Mountain dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Julie, thank you for being with us Tom Ruskin, the
PI points out how much easier it is to check
flight records through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly,
or asking the carrier you know, like Delta to check
their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
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So according to police, she didn't make that flight. But
what Julie lewis about ride share, lift, Uber and all
the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a trail if she
had taken a ride chair to the airport.
Speaker 14 (13:04):
But you can certainly contact the custodian of records at
the ubers the lists and types of companies that she
would have taken a ride share and find out that
information with legal due process and see what you know,
what the actual fact pattern is there?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get
their right chair through their phone app.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
If you have access to her yes.
Speaker 15 (13:31):
If you have access to her phone, you knew the
whereabouts of that phone. You would have access to.
Speaker 14 (13:38):
The app, but most of that data would be stored
in the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application.
Speaker 15 (13:46):
Uh not, it might not be stored on the local phone.
Speaker 14 (13:48):
So that's something to consider.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
have her phone, but we do have her coach say
it like everybody else in America their birthday or their
children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
can we get into the iCloud that way?
Speaker 15 (14:09):
Typically you would need the user name, you would need.
Speaker 14 (14:13):
A password for the accounts, and you would also if
they have Multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the
text message.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So a little harder than I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But you know what we're talking about, her phone and
where she Where is the husband during all of this?
Take a listener Our cut thirty five, Lynn Bi Lund talking.
Speaker 16 (14:36):
If I need to indicating on January first, at three pm,
we did some memorans and which was not his house
and swamps but but lost because he didn't have his phone.
He said, you know, he was lost when he saw
a pirate ship one root one defenders stayed, stayed fifteen minutes,
then went to Whole Foods and CBS. Savannahs has checked
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and he did not enter either with those stores.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Bob Ward, Boston twenty five on this the disappearance of
Anna Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship en
route one what Okay, no, wait a.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Minute, wait, wait, wait, So he says.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The husband says he's going to visit his mother and
he gets lost on the way to his mom's home,
and when he sees a pirate ship, he knows he's lost,
but then it goes into Whole Foods and CBS even
though he's lost.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
What the pirate ship is a landmark on the rout
one area. There's that area of Swampskip where his mother lives.
There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that
sort of thing. And I think that's what it was
that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw
that told him where he was. And he said he
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got lost because he didn't have a GPS on his
phone with him because he's elected at home.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Karen Starry, I find that very unused.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it.
Why doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a
cell phone, especially if he hasn't hear from his wife.
Wouldn't you keep your cell phone with you at that
time in case she called?
Speaker 10 (16:18):
Well, let's think about this.
Speaker 14 (16:20):
Nancy.
Speaker 10 (16:20):
How many people really leave home these days without their phone.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It's it's improbable.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something
very unusual.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Take a listener to our cut forty.
Speaker 16 (16:56):
Data from the phone also practice We're boats on January through.
It locations were traveled at foot twenty seven on January
through to an apartment complex in Abington. So Veillance shows
the dependant's bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's
appearance Exeter.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Cab near the dumpster.
Speaker 16 (17:14):
He walks to the dumpster carrying in garbage bag he's
leaning and it appears to be heavy as he has
to keft it into the dumpster.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
He walks to the dumpster with the.
Speaker 16 (17:26):
Garbage bag and leaves it on full.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Forty eight.
Speaker 16 (17:30):
He hit another complex in Abington and at five ten pm,
cell phone shows records at another apartment in Brockton. Video
shows a party consistent with his appearance and his Bobbo
again he decided items in the dumpster, Bob Warren joining
us from Boston twenty five on his disappearance.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with
my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside
our house. But it starts going from one dumpster to
the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to the next dumpster,
all in within a one hour period.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That concerns me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And you know who reminds me of and you're gonna
know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut
mom of five. Remember for her husband Fotus Dillos and
his mistress, they're going all around town dropping off items
and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it, Bob,
(18:30):
or maybe you can shed some light on this. Why
is it that when a woman goes missing, her husband
suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has to
throw out the trash.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Good question, Nanty, I think we know the answer to that.
And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
third incident that you just played the cut from the
dumpsters in the south Shore and Abington and Brockton. What
we're going to find out in court, that is, when
the remains of on a wallsh are being discarded in
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those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator
in the south shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour
of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed.
Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought
is that they never will be because that's where those
bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered
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in this case were brought to the north shore near
that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they
were not brought to an incinerator, but to a landfill
they were found and it's inside I don't know from
getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is
where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in
this case.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said
one more time in very slowly?
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think the gist is that very quickly after husband
Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned
out where the trash was picked up and taken some
to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark,
(20:12):
have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny
bit of truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy
is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right,
like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke,
but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're
very adept at being able to tell a lie that
has a little bit of truth in it but a
(20:41):
lot of falsehood.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I like the very abused conjure.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like a magician or a wizard, because one moment
on a Walsh is there with witnesses at a New
Year's Eve party, and the next moment she's gone. Brian
Walsh was stab behind bars, but he lived his wife,
His beautiful young wife, the only one working in supporting
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the family, was not so lucky. A week after her disappear,
as prosecutors say, investigators find blood, bloody, a bloody and
damaged knife in the basement, strongly believing he disposed of
her body near his own mother's home. Did I mention
(21:26):
he had a two point seven million dollar life insurance
policy with him as a soul beneficiary. What else do
we know? Bob Ward joining me, investigative reporter of Boston
twenty five, tell me again what you just said?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
So.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, is
recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into dumpsters
in the south Shore of Boston in the towns of
Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash bags
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that he was struggling with to get into the dumpsters
contained the dismembered remains of his wife.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
On a w wash.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated
and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found.
(22:32):
It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did
not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in
the case on the south Shore. The allegation is that
he took his tools, the instruments that he used to
dismember his wife's body along with some of her clothes
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and belongings, and put them in other trash bags and
discarded those things in dumpsters on the north shore of
Boston his mother's house near that pirate ship. Those trash
bags have been recovered and those items are going to
be an important part of this case, in this trial
when it takes place.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
trash bags in January?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
a hack saw, They found a bloody rug, they found
Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
they found.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And now lawyer, what rank did you get to? Started?
Speaker 9 (23:47):
I left, there's an investigator. Nantell's a homicide detective and
I left.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
a homicide.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Without a body, Yes, I had. Can I just say
that a tough pill to swallow?
Speaker 9 (24:02):
It is, but fortunately even in those cases and this guy, look,
you know, as a homicide detective. I would have been
looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
he is contacted by her employer does he make an
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outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
I get frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
trying to call her and call her. This guy has
done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
(24:43):
and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
which to my point is, you know, even the most
careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
mountain of it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, it could you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I'm gonna circle back to
you just a moment about possible nav systems on his car,
but Tom Ruskin joining me, then, don't want Karen start
to weigh in on this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's
private investigator or extraordinary President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group,
(25:25):
Tom listen, I don't like jewelry. I really don't like
fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But if you
were to take let's just say, this little ring right here,
this is made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay,
it's very thin, it's not be jeweled, but if you
(25:49):
were to take that, I would come after you.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
All right. There are just some things that would matter
to me.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
want her to fancy boots and her proud of hers
thrown out.
Speaker 12 (26:04):
No, and it would be weird if she had left
and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect,
and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of
(26:24):
the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't
need a body anymore to prove a case.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It sure helps, though, man, Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as
heck helps if you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Do have a dead body to prove a murder case.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
But it also goes against him because we know that
he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
pickup's not working at his house?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And start he's so right, And Karen, again, I threw
this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do guys
turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?
And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
(27:21):
He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.
Her employer has to call looking for her. And then
he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it
at the corner at the end of the driveway or
the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why
do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And
because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody
rags and towels in a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Do something different.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to
get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean,
he gets lost going to his mother.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He didn't get lost.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
to the next.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
And also saying that he went to places where they
could check and he did not go.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
So, Nancy, can I jump in for one sec. Yes,
I just want to bring well, to bring up the
fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband
has nothing to do with her murder. This is a
woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston
to Washington on business trip. Why is her phone off?
(28:25):
No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
we go to the airport, you shut off your phone
once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
to mister Startdard's point once you land. Why is she
becoming a low a suddensereptitious or becoming covert in her actions?
Which sort of defies the logic of the husband.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Tom Ruskin private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I
don't guess any of you people on this panel have
read Don't be a Victim written by what's that girl's name, Oh,
Nancy Grace. You're suppose to take a picture of when
you're in the parking deck, which I do and send
in my family, and then when I get them on
the plane, I take a picture I'm on the plane
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and send to them. You don't even have to write
a text or write words, but just let people know
where you're going.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
JACKI I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes,
I have. Okay, guys, that's not the end of it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But I want to ask Julie Louis Something, President and
CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I like
to just say on Star as a blanket nav description,
wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were,
you know, anything older than twenty ten?
Speaker 15 (29:42):
So before I jump into that, I just you were
talking about pictures, and there was.
Speaker 14 (29:46):
Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
ring off in some of her final photos, and so
within that picture there's things called excess data that you
can look for that potentially could have g location information
about where she was when the picture was taken.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
catch that, Julie Lewis so.
Speaker 14 (30:08):
Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
a moving computer these days on most cars. With why
fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these things.
Speaker 15 (30:22):
That you can use for tracking.
Speaker 14 (30:24):
So if Brian's car has has that in it, law
enforcement could have certainly.
Speaker 15 (30:30):
Used that information.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
The other thing that happens in cars is a lot
of people think their phones and so text messages, contacts,
you know, browser history, all these things may be on
that on the car now. You know, for example, if
you rent.
Speaker 15 (30:47):
A car, even that information can be on that.
Speaker 14 (30:50):
So that's something that's really important to note.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
the car can track everything that you have written on
your phone during that time.
Speaker 15 (31:01):
It could be thinking like when you are in a
uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it could actually
down on that. So you don't want to go in
some strangers car rental car.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
And plug it in because the car and fountainment system
could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Good to know crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why was
Brian Walsh stabbed?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We know that the inmates in that facility have access
to television. There are of course iPads, so many of
them know what he is accused of doing to his
beautiful wife, who, by the way, was the only one
working in the family. His Google searches were damning. I mean,
what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough. Take
(31:58):
a listen to our cut thirty six This is Land
Bilan talking on.
Speaker 16 (32:02):
January first, defenitive googled using.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
A son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows.
Speaker 16 (32:10):
Keep in mind that the dependant said he left at
sixty six am. At four fifty five am on January first,
he searched how long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
Speaker 13 (32:28):
Eight am?
Speaker 16 (32:29):
How to stop a body from decomposing?
Speaker 13 (32:32):
At five twenty am.
Speaker 16 (32:33):
He searched how to mount the body At five forty
seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body
if you really need to. At six twenty five am
on the first, how long for someone to be missing
to inherit? At six thirty four am on first, can
the go away body pots?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical
examin Or, Terrant County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas
Christian University Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for
being with us. Let me just ask you a couple
days and I'd like to point out also, this is
food for thought for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his
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son's iPad.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like they don't know how to read the.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Search history and there's daddy searching. How long before a
body starts to smell? How do you stop a body
from decomposing? How to get rid of a body? Ten
ways to dispose of a dead body if you really
need to. I'm glad he had to tack that on
at the end. How long before? How long for someone
to be missing to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns.
(33:47):
Can you throw away body parts? Okay? I'm starting to
agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter that you don't
really need the dead body to prove that someone is dead.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me some quick answers
to those This is a lightning round for you, how
long before a body starts to smell, doctor Crowns?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
For ten days?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
a body from decomposing?
Speaker 8 (34:15):
Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
found in the iceberg ot to see the iceman. He
was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in
the iceberg. So really, refrigeration is the best way to
prevent a body from decomposing.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
really need to.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
You have to, you know, if you don't want the
trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was
possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual
and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
human and then mix them in with other trash, and
then other good way is to put them in. I
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think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the
body parts down into kind of a slug.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually Nancy scaring many
people that are listening to you right now putting it
in pool. Wait a minute, Karen start, I know you've
got something toad.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
What did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 8 (35:21):
There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the
bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this
kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I really am. But guess what, guys, there's more.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Take a listen again to lend Biland at nine twenty
nine AM.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
What does from Aldeheide do?
Speaker 9 (35:53):
At nine thirty four?
Speaker 10 (35:54):
You one first?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
How long does the na lift?
Speaker 16 (35:58):
At nine fifty nine A can identification be made when
passionate remains? At eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the
best ways to dispose of avoiding at eleven forty four.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
How to put blood from wooden.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Flu at eleven fifty six On the.
Speaker 16 (36:16):
First moment, all to detect blood at one oh eight?
What happens when you put body pots in a moment
at one one pm? Is the better the full clime
scene close away?
Speaker 9 (36:28):
Or wash them?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Those one the general worst?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three
little boys are left without their mother while this guy
is googling what does for meldehide do? How long does
DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?
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And best ways to dispose of a body? What happens
when you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw
away crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor
Kendel Crown's lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last?
Speaker 8 (37:12):
You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What does from aldehyde do?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use
to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved
for a long periods of time.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl
Crowns That.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
One, I don't know. That's a new one to me,
as far as I know, I stopped.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen.
Speaker 16 (37:42):
One can ry third. That same day at one o
two pm, you did some more Google searches. What happens
to hear on a dead body at one thirteen pm?
What is the rate of decomposition of the body found
in a plastic bag compared to on a service in
the woods at one pm?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And beating soda mask?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, maybe he is not good Ken baking soda make
a body a dead body smell good. These Google searches
have led to a bombshell development in the search for
Anna Walch. Bob Were Joining Me Boston twenty five News
and indictment explain.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,
and improper disposal of a body. So his case is
being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior
Court has the authority if he is when he has
tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to
hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder
(38:46):
for life not for all, which is the maximum sentence
here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty. In Massachusetts. Naty,
Can I just say one thing about the internet searches,
and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me
when I go back over this timeline and you realize
that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there
were three people at this party. There was Brian Anna,
(39:08):
and they had one guest in the house, and that
guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one
o'clock in the morning. That first search how long before
a body starts to smell is at four fifty five
am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock
in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone,
(39:31):
and that search is done, and I just think about that,
and I think that she's in the house. They also
found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment.
They said that they found blood in the basement and
they found I think it was two bloody knives, one
broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell
(39:52):
of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know,
I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there
in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and
he finds his kids iPad and he's doing these searches
within a couple of hours of his wife being there,
someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing.
I had a story, I broke a story about how
(40:15):
he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And
here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three,
in the house with her dead body and this is
she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up
with this plan on what to do with her remains.
You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing
this for forty years, and the depravity of this case
(40:36):
to me is really just off the charts.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
why why did he do this?
Speaker 7 (40:55):
There's another detail here too, And from talking to investigators,
The New York Post had this, this picture you all
may have seen, and I talked to an investigator about this.
There was a champagne, a box of champagne from the
party that the New York Post got a picture of.
That was that was on the dining room table. I
(41:17):
went knocked on the door. When before all this blew out,
before everything happened, I was trying to talk to Brian.
I did you know when she was missing?
Speaker 9 (41:25):
And we didn't know what we.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
its box, and the New York Post got a picture
(41:47):
of this, and on the side of the box on
a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through.
Twenty twenty two was a tough year, but twenty twenty
three is going to be a great year. I love you, Anna,
and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator
(42:11):
that I spoke to said they believed that that was her.
Those are her last words to the world. And when
I look at there's another Internet search here from December
twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search
was found, so they didn't say if it was on
the kids iPad or it was on a phone or
(42:31):
a computer, but all it said was the best state
for a divorce for a man. So that's from December
twenty seventh, when Honor still alive, before the New Year's
Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this,
whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never
saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I
(42:54):
think because the story that I broke about the threat
that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged,
they were just dating. She complained to DC police that
he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think,
and I know investigators think that this is a domestic
(43:15):
violence case and there's an escalation that started then in
twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's
pointing at a bruise on her face and she said
that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's
on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there
was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the
(43:36):
police were ever called, but something happened was going on
behind the scenes, and this is going to be one
of the things that I'm going to be watching for
to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded,
because you don't, you don't get to this kind of
and this hatred to you know, I can understand a
(43:57):
moment of passion, of murder, of a moment of anger,
but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here,
and these messages that are caught on the iPad, and
then what we've been talking about with the disposal of
the body, it's almost too much.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Do you blame the inmates for being angry with Brian Walsh?
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, good
bye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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