Britney Spears' behavior spiraling out of control has some intimating an intervention to put a stop to the slide.
As ex-husband Kevin Federline releases the book, "You Thought You Knew," about fighting Britney for his children, Britney is captured on video at an upscale restaurant, dropping items on the floor, unsteady on her feet, and wobbling, lifting her glass as if to toast the entire restaurant.
Leaving the restaurant, Britney struggles to maintain her balance as a friend holds her hand, guiding her outside. Britney gets behind the wheel of her black BMW despite protests from restaurant employees trying to prevent her from driving.
Driving erratically, ignoring road signs, and squealing her tires as she makes a U-turn against the posted "no U-turn" sign, Britney speeds away from the restaurant. She has trouble maintaining her lane, swerving onto the shoulder, and crossing the center line into oncoming traffic.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Perez Hilton - Media Personality, Blogger and Columnist, Co-Host of “The Perez Hilton Podcast” with Chris Booker, Author of “TMI: My Life in Scandal” and Children’s Book, “The Boy with Pink Hair”
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Author of upcoming novel “It Started With A Whisper”, robshuter.substack.com, IG: @naughtygossip
- Elizabeth J. McInturff - Attorney Specializing in Guardianship Issues, Partner at Selzer Gurvitch; LinkedIn @elizabethmcinturff; Facebook @elizabeth.mcinturff.12
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Ashley Wardlow - Private Investigator and Chief Operating Officer at Nathans Investigations (has experience investigating conservatorship issues); IG: @miamiprivateinvestigators, FB: nathansinvestigations
- Jessica Finn - Senior Investigative Jessica Finn - Senior Investigative Reporter at The U.S. Sun; jessicafinnnyc (Twitter/ IG) @jessicafinn.bsky.social
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Britney Spears's bizarre claim her
look alike her doppelganger is the one not her that
swerves into oncoming traffic onto a bike path as well,
and video that has now gone viral. This I mean
(00:23):
it's fears she is losing control. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Pop Icon.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Britney Spears was spotted and enjoying a night out in Westley, California,
seeking a fun evening with friends. However, the evening took
a dramatic turn when paparazzi captured her in what appeared
to be a reckless act.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is it real that looks like Britney Spears to me?
What happened? Listen?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Britney Spears behavior spiraling out of control and family seriously
considering nuclear option. An interview to put a stop to
the slide, as ex husband Kevin Fetterline releases book You
Thought You Knew About Fighting Brittany for his children. Britney
is captured on video at upscale restaurant Red Oh, looking sloppy,
(01:12):
her yellow top slipping off her shoulders, dropping items on
the floor. Unsteady on her feet and wobble's lifting her
glass as if to toast the entire restaurant.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Number one, I don't like it when mail reporters and
others describe women as looking sloppy. Somehow that's misogynistic. But
that's a whole other cannon worms. I'll get to in
a moment. Right now, I'm concerned about Britney Spears potentially
driving into oncoming traffic. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Leaving the restaurant, Britney struggles maintaining her balance as a
friend holds her hand and guiding her outside. Brittany gets
behind the wheel of her black BMW despite protests from
restaurant employees trying to prevent her from.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Driving, driving erradically, ignoring road signs, squealing her tires as
she makes a U turn against the posted no U
turn sign. Britney speeds away from the restaurant. She has
trouble maintaining her lane, swerving under the shoulder and crossing
the center line into oncoming traffic.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
With us an all Star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight, straight out to Jessica Fan,
Senior investigative reporter, You has son, Jessica, what happened exactly.
I know Brittany is now saying that wasn't me. So
should I believe her or my lion eyes? That looks
like Brittany to me. Let's see the video again, while
Jessica's reporting.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah, sure does look like Brittany. I mean, I think
it's pretty She's pretty recognizable at this point in her life.
And unfortunately it's not for all the good reasons or
the right reasons. Brittany was at the restaurant, clearly having
a good time, partying it up, stumbling around, she was
raising a glass at the restaurant, and then we see
her actually getting into her car. And this is where
(02:51):
things get a little pretty scary and dicey, for not
only Brittany, but for anybody else it might be coming
into contact with her on the road to Flipsy. You
turn in front of the restaurant after exiting, and then
she continues to drive, and the paparazzi who are following her,
you can hear them kind of quietly saying keep your distance.
And I think that that's not only to not scare her,
(03:12):
but also for their own safety. She's driving down the road,
She's driving on a really dark roadway. The only lights
on in front of her are her own lights, and
she's crossing the middle line, and then she's swerving into
the shoulder, and at one point she actually almost ends
up in the dirt on the shoulder, which is super
scary because then she could have totally spun out.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
At that point, we also.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
See her actually not only in the central line, but
riding in the central line where oncoming traffic would be.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We also see her.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Riding down those reflector strips, and those reflector strips are
meant to alert the driver that there's danger, that they're
crossing into lanes that they shouldn't be in. And I
don't understand how she doesn't. She's not shaken, you know,
or made more aware of this. She seems to continue
to drive on those reflector bumps, despite despite being in them.
(04:01):
And it's just it's a really terrifying scene. And again,
just this isn't just Brittany who's in danger here. It's
anybody else that's on the road with her.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, I've covered and investigated and prosecuted vehicular homicides,
and it could be the result of anything. It could
be drunk driving, driving under the influence of drugs. It
could be distracted driving, texting while driving, looking in the
backseat while driving, putting on makeup while driving. I don't care.
(04:28):
Now Spears' camp has made a point to say that
was not her in the video and she was not drinking.
I would give that statement more credence if they just
said she wasn't drinking, because that is absolutely Britney Spears
in that video. There is her bizarre claim if anyone's
wondering to look alike, was not me? Dave Mack tell
(04:52):
me about the driving antics, the erratic driving in a
video that has now gone viral. What specifically happened with
the driving.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
Nancy?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
As she pulls out, there's a clearly marked sign saying
no U turn, which she just pulls a UI anyway
and then squeals her tires as if to pick up
speed even quicker. So she's already right off the bat,
going dangerous. But then she really has trouble maintaining her lane.
It's not just once or twice, it's constant. She is
(05:26):
never in the lane the way she's supposed to be,
and it's been pointed out as you watch the video,
it's darker. She seems to be the only car on
the road. But you know, if she hit that shoulder
and tried to overcorrect, you know what happens. The dirt
gets under the wheel, she loses control and we had
a mess. But she never is actually maintaining her lane.
(05:47):
She's constantly crossing the center line, which poses problems for
anybody because if she is that out of control, if
another car comes along at the wrong time, We're not
doing this story about her life going down the toilet.
We're actually going to be doing a story with her obituary.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The hit your homicide. That's not what we want for
Britney Spears. But let me ask you, Dave mac you've
never pulled a yui? Are you really going to go
on national TV and say that you've never done a
U turn?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Only pointing out that, hey, this is a woman who
is recognized.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Around the world.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Her ex husband has just released a book about his
life with her, and she acts like she's having to
run away from paparazzi, which she really isn't Nancy, When
you see the video, you know she's not surrounded with
just bulbs going off everywhere. She has no reason to
do something like that. But again, you know, it's you
(06:47):
got people watching your every move. This is this really
the image you want to put out there for everyone
in the entire world?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay, you know what dat did I ask you about
Britney Spears image? No, I asked you had you ever
pulled a giwie? And you kind of stuttered? So yes,
you have. Stuttering is a sign of lyne. Then you
go on about Fetterline. I don't want to hear about
Kevin Federline. He's had his fifteen minutes if iman. That
was a long time ago when he married her, before
(07:15):
he started sucking her blood. Now, the minute child support ends,
he writes a tell all book trashing the mother of
his children. I think that's enoughset about him. So you're
talking about image. Let's go to a PR duru, Rob Shooter,
star of Naughty but Nice podcast. Rob has a brand
(07:38):
new book out called It Started with a Whisper and
it's selling out on Amazon. He has worked with Britney Spears.
So Rob, are we seeing Brittany the way we want
to see her or the way she really is?
Speaker 7 (07:52):
I've known her for over twenty years. I worked in
a PR office handle Brittany. I've been on many red
carpets with Brittany, events with Brittany. I've been a photo
shoots with Britney Spears. She's always been a troubled young person,
and I think Britney hasn't changed so much in my opinion,
but rather the truth has come out. The image the
(08:15):
person that we were sold by the record company wasn't
the real Brittany. It was a more polished version, which
is often the case with celebrities. You hire publicists and
managers and agents to put forward an image, your view
that you want. But I don't think in all the
years I've worked as celebrities, have I seen somebody that
has been so different in reality than their public image.
(08:36):
Brittany hasn't changed. This is the real Brittany. Now are
finally all getting to see it.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Rob Shooter at PR Guru's side, stepping the question beautifully. Okay,
let's get to what's happening right now. Not Britney's image
and the damage to it, but is she spiraling out
of control? Is there another conservatorship on the horizon. We
also have her denial that this is her, Well it
(09:05):
is her, so, Rob Sheeter, Britney Spears claims the person
at the restaurant and driving is a doppleganger a look alike?
Is it?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
This is Britney Spears. Brittany's had a long, really unfortunate
history with the truth, and often Britney can say things
and really believe it herself. Deep down, I'm sure she
knows what's really going on, but it does a lot
easier here to blame somebody else than to take any responsibility.
And even though Brittany has struggled deeply, this is just
(09:37):
another example of why Britney so desperately needs somebody to
step in. It's impossible for Brittany to admit the truth
to herself. In fact, I would argue.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
She doesn't even believe his lyings.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
She believes the liars.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crime stores with Nancy Gray rob Sheeter. I would be
more willing to accept her camps claim that she hadn't
been drinking, but they couple that with saying that wasn't her.
In fact, Brittany said it herself that it was a
quote look alike. That's Britney Spears right there. So the
(10:20):
manager at the restaurant says she was not intoxicated, but
the video does show her on steady on her seat.
What do you think, yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
It doesn't matter. I think at the end of the
day here legally it might matter. But this is clearly
somebody that's out of control, and somebody was dangerous, not
just to herself but to other people, anybody else driving
like that in California or anywhere else. If they were stopped,
if they were spotted by the police, there would be
huge implications. And said, this video, I'm told is just
(10:52):
the tip of the iceberg. People that know Brittany, that
have worked with her, that have seen her out, have
always described this to me as a rat. This is
not somebody that is stable. And even though the manager
of the bar, the restaurants claims that they were not drinking,
Britain was not drinking. We've seen the video of this.
Clearly something going on.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, clearly you cannot prove a do UI without having
a blood test or an alcohol sobriety test or a
blow test where you blow into a breathalyzer test. So
we don't know. And if she did have one glass
of wine, that may not make her a do UI.
If it's combined with any sort of medication, then you've
(11:36):
got a whole another can of worms. We're talking to
Rob Shooter, host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of
a hit novel It started with a whisper, and he
has worked with spears. You know, I'm very curious. Do
you believe Rob Shooter that there is any way her
(12:00):
family would now help her? Would they touch her with
a ten foot poll? After the way her father was vilified,
wrongly or rightfully regarding that draconian conservatorship that he was
in charge of with his daughter. Will the family help her?
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Rob?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
My reporting is the family won't touch this. They saw
what happened to Britney's father, who was crucified in the media,
in the press, the fans absolutely how did this man
for really save in his daughter's life? And so I
think we all have a lot of soul search in
thinking to do here. We all wanted Brittany to be free,
(12:39):
but without ever thinking about what does that actually look like?
What does that actually mean? And a free Brittany is
a very dangerous one and so it's clear she needs
some help. The problem is now is who's going to
provide that knowing what happens to the last person that did.
Her dad was crucified. She had a legal team beat
(13:02):
him up day after day after day. Nobody in the
family wants to go through that again. They all want
to help Brittany, but they're all scared, and I honestly
I don't blame.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Them straight out to special guests joining us tonight. You
know him well as we all do, Perez Hilton. He
is a pop culture expert. He blogs. He's a columnist,
co host of the Perez Hilton podcast, author of TMI
My Life in Scandal, and a children's book, The Boy
(13:33):
with Pink Hair, and you can find him at Perez
Hilton dot com. Prez, it's great to see you again.
Thank you for joining us tonight. Thanks for having me, Perez.
Britney spears. You know I was at the forefront fighting
to free Britney, and as Oscar Will said, be careful
what you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it.
(13:54):
I still think it was right to get her out
from under the conservatorship, but there was no transition. She
went from total draconian control of her life too wild
and free and it is not working out. Tell me
about the latest incident, Perez.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Well, the very latest.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There's an update, since perhaps some of your viewers heard
that Britney. According to reports was seen driving erradically in
the Thousand Oaks area of Los Angeles, where she lives.
The paparazzi got her going to a local restaurant there and,
according to reports, having a glass of wine. However, we've
(14:38):
now heard from the manager of that restaurant, whom, according
to him, denies that Britney Spears was intoxicated. She was
not there by herself. She was accompanied by a female
friend and a fellow patron at the restaurant was the
one who bought Britney that drink, and she was very friendly.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I know a lot about Britney Spears. I have a
lot of empathy for her. She's never been a good driver,
and you might ask yourself why is she even driving.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
She does have a security team.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
An entire detail, But for some reason, Brittany, while not
being the best driver, has always loved to drive. I
remember vividly before she was placed on that psychiatric hold,
her life was so chaotic leading up to that, she
would sometimes drive in her car after her kids were
(15:38):
already taken away from her, and she would just drive
around town for hours. There's something that she finds healing
about it, and thankfully nobody was hurt, and I can't
prove that she was drunker or incapacitated in any way.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I understand that going for long drives in your car
can be a source of freedom or independence because you're
totally in control. Pre Hilton, you have three amazing children,
right How would you like to see Britney Spears come
buryling the wrong way down the street at you with
your children in the back. Think about that for a moment.
(16:14):
I'm not all hung up on did she drink the
glass of wine? Look in my world just because I
think somebody's DUI, I can't take that to a jerry.
I've got to have evidence proof. I've got to have
blood alcohol I've got to have a sobriety test. I've
got to have a blow test. If I don't have those,
(16:35):
it doesn't exist. If I can't prove it, it's not real.
What I can prove is that video for driving the
wrong way down the road control room. Can I see
the video of the Brittany look alike in the bar?
That's good video too, which Oh there you go. I'm
glad that guy behind her pulled over. Okay, right here,
(16:55):
pres Hilton, Should I believe you are my lion eyes
because she is totally toasting everybody with a big, fat drink.
So you're telling me she did not imbibe even though
she had a drink in her hand, or are you
telling me that's not Britney Spears.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What I am saying is I just wish healing for
Brittany and everybody. I have a lot of empathy not
just for her, but also for her children as well
as a victims as well.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Perez, I've known you a long time and I like you,
and I read what you right, and I'll listen to
your podcast.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I just asked you a direct question about driving the
wrong way down a highway at night into oncoming traffic,
and you said you wish for healing. Stop.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I did not answer the question.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And traffic, okay, I did watch the entire video, and
I did not see any traffic coming her way. Obviously
she was not driving as the law dictates.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
But I think the.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Bigger picture is why we're here, why we're even talking
about Britney Spears.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
It's clear that this young woman, well now she's in her.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Forties, but I think for so many of us, she's
still that little girl, and we feel like, Britney's a
part of our family and we're rooting for her and
we want her to.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Have a happy ending.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But I think unfortunately, she's only going to get better
if she wants to get.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Better, you know, Perez Hilton, I'm not quite sure why
my beloved control room is showing racy videos of Brittany
pushing her breast up. I want to talk there. You
go right there, that's like a going in. No, okay, Perez,
(18:49):
I know you can't see oncoming traffic, but would you
at least agree she's driving on the wrong side of
the road.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
More than that she was driving erratically. I would say
she she was swerving. And this is nothing new.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
As I shared with you, she's always been a bad driver.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Hey, hey, hey, put him back up for Pete's sake, Perez,
there's a big difference in a bad driver. A lot
of people are bad drivers, but ahead on collision on
the wrong side of the road. I've seen vehicular homicide
cases before where even with the jaws of life, you
can barely get the victim out of their vehicle through
(19:33):
no fault of their own. You said we're all rooting
for Brittany. I am too, do you know how much
hate mail I got for demanding that conservatorship end and
vilifying her father from making reportedly six million dollars off
that conservatorship. I did not think that was fair, working
(19:54):
her like a mule and everybody sucking on her like
a tick taking all the money. I thought that was wrong,
and it was wrong. But this is also wrong, bad
driver and vehicular homicide.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
My question, my question to you is what do you
think is the path forward?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What should happen? What would we know see? I was
asking you the questions, mister Hilton. I'm asking you the
question to say, you've worked with Brittany, You've known Brittany
for a long time, and I agree. She feels like
somebody in our family that we all grew up with.
We've been watching her shi she was on the Mickey
(20:33):
Mouse Show, I guess, and she's beautiful and wonderful and
amazingly talented. That does not excuse a potential head on collision.
And it hasn't happened yet, and this is the time
for action the family. Whitn't you agrees afraid to touch
her with a ten foot pole after the father was
(20:53):
vilified rightfully or wrongfully. So what is your experience with Britney?
Is there any way to get to her?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, I think the best way to get to her
is through her sons, who are adults now, Sean Preston
and Jaden James. They're nineteen and twenty. And unfortunately, last
week Kevin Fetterline, her ex husband, said that because of
(21:23):
things that they have observed, both of the kids, adults
now over the age of eighteen, did spend time with
Brittany this year, one more than the other, and they
don't feel.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Comfortable spending more time with her. And it's such that
we're asking so much as men.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yes, isn't it true that one of them got an
expensive car from her in the past year?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
That would not shock me. I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And so if that is true, he takes a car,
but is afraid to be with her, but not afraid
to take the car, I'm that extremely inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well, I'll give.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You an exclusive that I've heard from some of my sources.
It's more than just the car, Nancy. I'm told that Brittany,
even though she's not legally obligated to do so, still
financially supports her sons and gives them an allowance, both
of them, even the one that is more estranged from her.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know, I'm not surprised. I mean, is there anything
you would not do for any of your three children?
Because I can think of very few things I wouldn't
do for mine, So I'm not surprised she's giving money
to her children. They're her boys. But it is a
little galling that Federline is still sucking her blood writing
(22:49):
a tail all book. Coincidentally, as soon as a child support.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Ends, I expect fully that he will continue to do this.
Brittany and the people around her just decide to silence
him by giving him more money.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Perez, I think at this juncture we can expect a
long line stretching endlessly into the future, appearances by fetter
Line promoting his book, maybe getting paid appearances. Make no mistake.
Child's support is paid to the parent, and the parent
(23:27):
takes that money to support the children. So all the
child support was was a huge amount Britney Spears was
paying went to fetter Line to use as hec's fit,
and the minute that ended, he puts out the book.
Have you read the book? Do you know about the book?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I know?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Every detail about the book, and I find it hilarious
that he says he's doing.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
It for his children.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I would have more respect for him if he was
just transparent and said I'm doing this for the money.
He also claims he's releasing this book because he's concerned
about Britney. If you're really concerned about the mother of
your children, I think there are better ways to express that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You mean, shut the hell up and help her. I mean,
that's what I would have suggested. Now, this is confounding
to me. The court awarded and this is, according to him,
twenty grand a month in child support that saw two
hundred and forty thousand, nearly quarter million dollars a year,
and at the same time alimony like he can't go
(24:34):
to work of twenty thousand a month.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, the number was increased eventually, so it did go
up to forty thousand a month for a long time.
Another little bit of good news. Brittany is estranged, as
we know, from her father, from her mother, from her sister. However,
Brittany has an older brother, which a lot of people
(24:58):
don't know or the me media doesn't talk about that often.
And Britney's brother, Brian Spears is, to my understanding, the
only family member in regular and close contact with Britney.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So you know, I do believe in the.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Value and importance of family, and hopefully he is a
positive influence for his sister.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Perez. Federline was getting around a half a million dollars
a year from Brittany, and according to you more, I'm
using a conservative calculation, and the minute that money ends,
suddenly he has a tell all but which totally trashes
the mother of his children to clear his name? What
(25:48):
does his name need to be cleared? Who wants to
clear the name of Kevin Federline? Does anyone even think
about Kevin Federline?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, listen, like you, Nan, I'm all about keeping
it real and being honest.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
A couple of years ago, Brittany came.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Out with her own memoir, So I do think it
is absolutely valid and fair for Kevin to release.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
His Now, oh so that's surprised, Hill to the name
is fair, Nanny, Nini boo boo. Please, it's only fair.
You did it if you are if I am this, so,
are you are you crazy? No? You're not crazy, I
know that for a fact. But your reasoning is a
non sequitur. It doesn't follow. He's the one making all
(26:32):
the money off of her, and now that the money ends,
he's trashing her. He has used her from day one
and used her children against her. Was she the best mom?
I can clearly say with no doubt, no, she was not.
But this book, okay, I just find it to be
I hate using this word triggering. He puts the book out,
(26:55):
and now this incident happens with her driving. She can't
blame anyone but herself for the driving, but he knows
how fragile she is and put this book out. Anyway,
He's just looking for another payday. But he's not my concern.
My concern is a future vehicular homicide victim. So you
(27:15):
think the brother can talk sense into her?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I don't know if anybody can talk sense into Brittany, sadly,
but the good thing is outside of the brother, every
other person in Britney's.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Life is on the payroll. So they're just another form
of Kevin fetterline. And that's sad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Let me be clear, Are you telling me that's not
Brittany that I'm looking at right there? Driving that car?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
The wrong one? Brittany it's her.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay, and are you also telling me she did not
drink alcohol at the bar?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I didn't say that, I said according to the manager
of the restaurant, he alleges that Brittany was not drunk.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know what, you know us a little about you.
You throw in enough allegedly's reportedly's and according tos. I mean,
it's amazing. I should take a page out of your book,
for sure. What were you going to say?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
But you know, listen, I'm on teen truth and just
one drink can have a really bad reaction if you're
also taking medication, and I don't know, perhaps Brittany is
on medication. So it was an unfortunate incident and hopefully
it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I very often call unfortunate incidents felonies, and that's
what I don't want Britney Spears to be involved in.
You think anybody would come to her aid if she's
charged with a hic homicide. No, everybody would be piling
on and then you'd have the victim totally destroyed. Okay,
what's your most vivid memory, your most vivid personal memory
(28:55):
of Britney.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I mean, I remember.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It sucks because it was during the conservatorship, but her
life was stable and she was performing and doing what
she loves. And I went to go see her show
in Las Vegas, and this was after I was in
her Circus tour opening and for this.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
One song, she brought me up on stage and put
me on a leash.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And walked me around and that was a fun moment
for me, definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. I'd like to
say for us, Hilton, please, Britney Spears put you on
a leash and walked you across the stage like a dog,
and that's your best memory. Okay, I think I'll leave
on that point. Thank you, mister Hulton. No further comments.
Cross examination has now ended. An erradic driving video of
(29:50):
Britney Spears has gone viral. Her response, that was a
look alike, It wasn't me. Here's the concern. If that's
what we're seeing in public, what is happening and private?
I want you to see a video posted by we
believe none other than her loving ex husband Kevin Fetterline
(30:15):
in his attempt to trash the mother of his children.
But this is a harsh reality. If this is to
be believed. Listen, I'm in here while we're trying to
go to bed, and and you just this is my house.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
If I want to come in here and give you
lotion for your face because it is coarse, and all you.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Tell me now he's fine? Is fine?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, it's not fine. You all better start respecting me.
Are we clear?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Yeah? And when Robin calls an you're all.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
You're all, even Robin's a kid, she says, what have
you been giving to your kids?
Speaker 6 (30:49):
You're all?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You own?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
You to start treating me like a woman with worth.
I am a woman. Okay, be nice to me. Do
you understand?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Straight out to our all star panel of a guest.
That video, as I mentioned earlier, was from Kevin Federline.
Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us from La, author of
deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock and find
her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Before I tank
(31:20):
the water, I'd like to hear your response to that video,
Nancy is heartbreaking. Those kids are being verbally abused.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
She's telling them that they need to respect her, but
not in the way that a parent says.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know, I cook dinner for you.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
So you could.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Appreciate what I've done.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
It's more like she's exploiting them for her own narcissistic gratification,
getting them to admire her and look up to her,
and that is really the use of the relationship with
her children.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I don't know quite what to make of it. There
is more video, and let me go out to our
lawyer joining us is a conservatorship specialist, and of course
I'm going to go to her on conservatorships, but she's
probably just other sorts of law as well. Elizabeth J. Mcinturffe,
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specializing in guardianship issues, partner at Selzer Gervich. Elizabeth, thank
you for being with us. Whenever you, I assume like me,
would put a witness on the stand, I would have
to judge the credibility. Can they be believed? I put
everything on the stand, from a nun, a priest, possibly
(32:35):
a virgin, to strippers, prostitutes, drug addicts, you name it,
and I can tell you this much. Every witness you
put on the stand will be cross examined, so you've
got to be ready. My point, consider the source. This
is a video posted by her ex who is sucking
her blood with his tell all book. Coincidentally, the moment
(32:59):
his child support ends, then he writes a book. He
posted this, But even though I'm considering the source, Elizabeth McInturff,
I can't argue with its authenticity.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
The video itself may be authentic, but what doesn't matter
if it was, you know, nearly twenty years ago. Now
we're talking about Brittany in the present sense and whether
or not she needs additional help, whether or not a
conservatorship is appropriate, what may or may not happened fifteen
years ago with her then, you know, younger children shouldn't
(33:33):
matter as it stands right now as to whether or
not she needs a guardianship. In fact, that was likely
already considered during her first guardianship.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Elizabeth McInturff, are you telling me that when you don't
know a horse, you cannot judge her track record?
Speaker 12 (33:51):
The track record that the court is going to be
looking at is going to be the track record that's
happening right now, what has happened since the last guardianship.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So I don't know if you've ever been to a race,
but certainly seen the Kentucky Derby on TV. A track
record is what has happened in the past not what
is happening right now. I'm sure you're familiar with similar
transactions in the law that tend to prove or disprove
the case in chief. What I'm talking about, and the
(34:20):
reason I showed that video is we see the erratic
driving in the here and now, but what happens behind
closed doors. What I'm saying is there is a move
afoot to revive her conservatorship after this erratic driving video
(34:40):
went viral, and there is a track record of bizarre
behavior in the past, but the bizarre doesn't necessarily require
a conservatorship. Everybody thinks everybody else is bizarre, right, So
who are we to step and say she needs a conservatorship?
(35:01):
But Elizabeth mcinturf, who I'd like to see while I'm
talking to her, Elizabeth, when you begin to threaten other
people and put them in danger, that changes everything.
Speaker 12 (35:13):
Correct, And her putting people in danger is something that
the court may consider, but it's really is whether or
not she's putting herself in danger. The fact that she
put other people in danger the other night is horrifying.
And I also just question why no one called the
police if they're behind this car for miles presumably I
(35:34):
can tell you that shining a foolish.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Until they call you that. I'll tell you why, because
this video was not taken by a concerned citizen. It's
my belief, which has not been corroborated, that it's taken
by the paparazzi and they wanted to get the whole shot.
They'd probably be thrilled if she had a crash, because
then they'd have the video. That's why they didn't call police.
They thought their video would end. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I think you're probably right on that.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
And whether or not though that that driving incident means
that she needs a guardianship is maybe something in the
court would look at, but it wouldn't be kind of
the end all be all of the guardianship. And like
you mentioned, it's the guardianship is a nuclear action. It's
kind of the last thing you.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Want to do. Oh, so they should be consaying a
number of steps. Are you watching the video at all
while you're talking? I'm sure the paparazzi are chasing her
as usual. No, there you go. Now watch this she
veers from one side into oncoming traffic in the next.
So okay. People have argued there was no oncoming traffic,
(36:38):
slams on breaks and then keeps going. That's dangerous, oh, Elizabeth, Yeah,
horrifying the driving itself, and that is again something that
they may consider, But any of itself does not mean
a guardianship.
Speaker 12 (36:54):
If it did, what in her ex justin Timberlake have
a guardianship? He himself had a DUI And so.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What the is looking really good point? That's a really
good point, Elizabeth mcinturf. I was just arguing with our
Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack who called her out
for making a euwie? Is there anybody on this panel,
let your voice be heard that has never pulled a
yui before. Just because there's one incident of erratic driving
does not a conservatorship make, But coupled with other behavior,
(37:25):
there may be a case Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Shouldn't there be another conservatorship before anyone else is hurt?
The video we showed you earlier Britney Spears fussing at
(37:46):
her children about as they're trying to go to bed,
about putting on lotion and demanding they respect her as
a woman. Here is another video posted by Fetterline. Have
you lost your.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
Mind care, But I'm shocked as with you, and I
don't know what to do. And I'm scared of you
because you're weird, because you're going through puberty. I don't
know what to say, but I do care more than
you know, Sha, But don't be my little body can't
handle all of that. But it's like sometimes I just
don't even know what to say with you. I was
in shock and I do care. Literally, I was in
(38:22):
shocked in the store when I look down and Jayden.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
How are you so cool about that?
Speaker 10 (38:25):
Your brother being mc barron's big feat Sin's thirteen, Now,
well he's my brother often all the more exposed his
feet your blood in ice cream shop in Alaska weather.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Don't you think that's a little odd?
Speaker 12 (38:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, I think your fond should be gone, Okay for
very long? Yeah, that's what I was posted by Kevin
Federline on Insta via page six.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
During her outing with a friend at Red Oh in Westlake, California,
Spears reportedly displayed unusual behavior, including knocking over glasses and
eyebrows among onlookers.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Straight out to a private investigator, Chief Operation Officer Nathan's Investigations,
who specializes in conservatorship issue investigations. Ashley word Law joining us. Ashley,
thanks for being with us. I find the timing unusual
that this talk of should there be a new conservatorship
(39:24):
exactly when the leech Kevin Federline puts out his tell
all book. I find it coincidental that that happens right
when his child support about forty grand a month combined
with alimony ends. Now he writes a tell all book,
(39:45):
and then suddenly there is this viral video and then
suddenly there's a snowball effect, and we're talking about a
conservatorship in that video. I don't see her doing anything
that a lot of people haven't done.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
As a private investigator, our job would be to get
factual evidence. So yes, we are going to look for
videos that show her behavior, but we can't speak to
what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, we're going to look for past videos.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
We're going to look for financial records and interview people,
you know, those who were present at the time and see,
you know, what their thoughts were and what was going
on with her while she was out in public. Okay,
we can only go and get what's happening outside of
our household.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So, for example, we do surveillance on her for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
We want to show a consistent.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Pattern for her.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
It can't just be one viral moment or one bad
moment and we take it.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
And run with it.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
We need to be able to build a historical timeline
and show from point A up until this point, this
is what's been going.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
On with her, and we need that footage.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
We need things like videos and photos so that we
can present this to those decision makers.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well put how she Wardlaw joining us from Nathan's investigations.
You know, Yessica Fan, it's just all fitting together a
little too neatly, Jessica Fan joining US Senior investigative reporter
Us Son that all of this emerges, it bubbles up
right when Federal Line's book comes out.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Yeah, you know, I have mixed feelings about kay Fed
coming out with this book. I mean, on the one hand,
it seems like it was well timed for Brittany to
not be doing well.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But on the other hand, is this.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
New depth of her spiraling result of his book. You know,
it's kind of like what came first, the chicken or
the egg here, Brittany doesn't seem to have been doing
well for a little while now, I think we've all
been witnessed to her Instagram and dancing with knives and.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Jessica Fan Jessica Fan. Yeah, if I had a body
like that, I might dance around in Pacey's too. Yeah,
you know, so, so it's easy for us to say
that's bad. It is shend but naked. Who cares?
Speaker 12 (42:03):
I don't gobbled?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Do you care?
Speaker 12 (42:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Okay for the most part.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Note, but there's also the.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Water's forty, and she looks awesome.
Speaker 13 (42:11):
But there's also like dog fecal matter in the background
on the floor, and her house is like clearly in
disarray and to the point where it's like a dean.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
It looks dangerous, Hazmac kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So I'm looking at video right now and I don't
see any of that. I do say some very troubling
knife flay. So okay, Jessica Fan, Do you have a pet?
May I ask? I do? I? Do? I have a
cat with a litter box and have one? Ever? Let
me say, is there a nice way to say this
took a big bat crap on the floor when you
weren't looking.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
It certainly happens.
Speaker 13 (42:46):
It certainly happens.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
But I also don't know. Okay, so out so Brittany's
dog took a poop on the floor and she's dancing
around naked. I'm not the church lady. I'm concerned about
more serious issues like driving on the wrong side of
the road and a potential vehicular homicide. But actually, Wardlaw
is right from Nathan's investigations, there's got to be more
(43:10):
than just Jessica Finn these isolated videos, And as Ashley
Wardlaw pointed out, you're going to have to have a
series of videos or a series of purported bizarre behavior
to establish a conservatorship. Jessica, I get the sense that
(43:31):
you're taking up for k fed. I'm going to let
you defend yourself very quickly. You know.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
It's just that he's calling He's calling it like he
sees it. He lived through her first mental breakdowns and
what happened through the conservatorship. And while I totally think
that this is a cash grab, I don't. I do
think he's like literally reliving and re seeing what happened
so many years ago that got her in that conservationship.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Okay, I need to go to a shrink on that
doctor Bethany Marshall. It sounds like she, Jessica Finn, senior
investigative reporter, is saying that Federline maybe having PTSD as
he's living in his mansion counting his money. You know, Nancy,
maybe he is.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
I actually agree with Jessica.
Speaker 11 (44:15):
I see it from all sides, and maybe that the
timing of the book is because the boys are now
of age to give consent, have turned eighteen, So not
just about the alimony or the child support. It could
be that Brittany has escalated to a point where there
needs to be some kind of intervention so she's not
a danger to self or others.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
But I watched Bethany Marshall on the way to your
office in the sky, your plush sweet, you've never gone
over the center lane before. But that's not what this is.
Next to see, that is not what this is owed her.
Speaker 11 (44:52):
I don't think so, because she did it multiple times.
Nancy does a thirty minute ride from the restaurant to
her house. That was thirty minutes that she could have
killed herself or somebody else, and the paparazzi doesn't even
call nine one one. I mean, you eloquently pointed out
that they're not motivated to do it. But you know, Nancy,
if she or my patient, I would wonder if she
(45:14):
was still connected to reality, if she had driven everybody away,
if she's become the kind of person who's untreatable, because
she might just fire whoever has helping her and then
replace that person with.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Somebody of Ephany, you actually have me over a barrel.
There are plenty of people out there that have driven
everyone away. They don't have any friends. That does not
mean they should be under a conservatorship. I don't care
how many times she dances naked except for some pasties
on instant. Don't care. But, Elizabeth mcintur, if you're the
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expert in guardianship issues, Bethany has me over a barrel. Can't.
I don't care about the knife video. I don't care
about the dog taking a poop and there's the offender
in the background the dog. I do care about a
potential vehicul homicide. I care about Britney hurting herself or
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someone else. But what can we do? I mean, I
have defended Britney since day one, but when other people
aren't at risk, that changes the mix.
Speaker 12 (46:23):
Elizabeth, what the court is going to look for in
a guardianship proceeding is just whether or not she has
capacity to make decisions. People with capacity make bad decisions
all the time. Right they choose to drive erradically, they
choose to yell at their children, they make decisions that
are not safe for them or safe for others. It
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does not necessarily mean that they have a guardianship. The
court is going to look at is whether or not
she has the capacity to make those decisions. And if
she doesn't have the capacity to make those decisions, perhaps
a guardianship inappropriate.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
But she does have the capacity and.
Speaker 12 (46:58):
She's just making bad decisions, that does not require a guardianship.
And there's other options that could take that aren't the
nuclear option of a guardianship. There's certainly an intervention that
family and friends could hold, she can take other actions,
have medical powers of attorney, people to assist her in
case she isn't a crisis. But we have to remember
(47:21):
that a guardianship is an absolutely extreme remedy in which
we are taking away all of somebody's rights in many events,
and so we have to think about that carefully before
we start throwing around that people need guardianships or they
don't need guardianships, particularly when what we're trying to do
is control bad behavior as opposed to assist somebody who's
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lacking in capacity.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Now we remember an American hero, Sergeant Frederick Coleman, Arkansas
Department Corrections, killed in the line of duty after fifteen
years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow,
and six children and without their father. American hero Sergeant
Frederick Coleman. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Britney Spears's bizarre claim her
look alike her doppelganger is the one not her that
swerves into oncoming traffic onto a bike path as well,
and video that has now gone viral. This I mean
(00:23):
it's fears she is losing control. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Pop Icon.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Britney Spears was spotted and enjoying a night out in Westley, California,
seeking a fun evening with friends. However, the evening took
a dramatic turn when paparazzi captured her in what appeared
to be a reckless act.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is it real that looks like Britney Spears to me?
What happened? Listen?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Britney Spears behavior spiraling out of control and family seriously
considering nuclear option. An interview to put a stop to
the slide, as ex husband Kevin Fetterline releases book You
Thought You Knew About Fighting Brittany for his children. Britney
is captured on video at upscale restaurant Red Oh, looking sloppy,
(01:12):
her yellow top slipping off her shoulders, dropping items on
the floor. Unsteady on her feet and wobble's lifting her
glass as if to toast the entire restaurant.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Number one, I don't like it when mail reporters and
others describe women as looking sloppy. Somehow that's misogynistic. But
that's a whole other cannon worms. I'll get to in
a moment. Right now, I'm concerned about Britney Spears potentially
driving into oncoming traffic. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Leaving the restaurant, Britney struggles maintaining her balance as a
friend holds her hand and guiding her outside. Brittany gets
behind the wheel of her black BMW despite protests from
restaurant employees trying to prevent her from.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Driving, driving erradically, ignoring road signs, squealing her tires as
she makes a U turn against the posted no U
turn sign. Britney speeds away from the restaurant. She has
trouble maintaining her lane, swerving under the shoulder and crossing
the center line into oncoming traffic.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
With us an all Star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight, straight out to Jessica Fan,
Senior investigative reporter, You has son, Jessica, what happened exactly.
I know Brittany is now saying that wasn't me. So
should I believe her or my lion eyes? That looks
like Brittany to me. Let's see the video again, while
Jessica's reporting.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah, sure does look like Brittany. I mean, I think
it's pretty She's pretty recognizable at this point in her life.
And unfortunately it's not for all the good reasons or
the right reasons. Brittany was at the restaurant, clearly having
a good time, partying it up, stumbling around, she was
raising a glass at the restaurant, and then we see
her actually getting into her car. And this is where
(02:51):
things get a little pretty scary and dicey, for not
only Brittany, but for anybody else it might be coming
into contact with her on the road to Flipsy. You
turn in front of the restaurant after exiting, and then
she continues to drive, and the paparazzi who are following her,
you can hear them kind of quietly saying keep your distance.
And I think that that's not only to not scare her,
(03:12):
but also for their own safety. She's driving down the road,
She's driving on a really dark roadway. The only lights
on in front of her are her own lights, and
she's crossing the middle line, and then she's swerving into
the shoulder, and at one point she actually almost ends
up in the dirt on the shoulder, which is super
scary because then she could have totally spun out.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
At that point, we also.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
See her actually not only in the central line, but
riding in the central line where oncoming traffic would be.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We also see her.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Riding down those reflector strips, and those reflector strips are
meant to alert the driver that there's danger, that they're
crossing into lanes that they shouldn't be in. And I
don't understand how she doesn't. She's not shaken, you know,
or made more aware of this. She seems to continue
to drive on those reflector bumps, despite despite being in them.
(04:01):
And it's just it's a really terrifying scene. And again,
just this isn't just Brittany who's in danger here. It's
anybody else that's on the road with her.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, I've covered and investigated and prosecuted vehicular homicides,
and it could be the result of anything. It could
be drunk driving, driving under the influence of drugs. It
could be distracted driving, texting while driving, looking in the
backseat while driving, putting on makeup while driving. I don't care.
(04:28):
Now Spears' camp has made a point to say that
was not her in the video and she was not drinking.
I would give that statement more credence if they just
said she wasn't drinking, because that is absolutely Britney Spears
in that video. There is her bizarre claim if anyone's
wondering to look alike, was not me? Dave Mack tell
(04:52):
me about the driving antics, the erratic driving in a
video that has now gone viral. What specifically happened with
the driving.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
Nancy?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
As she pulls out, there's a clearly marked sign saying
no U turn, which she just pulls a UI anyway
and then squeals her tires as if to pick up
speed even quicker. So she's already right off the bat,
going dangerous. But then she really has trouble maintaining her lane.
It's not just once or twice, it's constant. She is
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never in the lane the way she's supposed to be,
and it's been pointed out as you watch the video,
it's darker. She seems to be the only car on
the road. But you know, if she hit that shoulder
and tried to overcorrect, you know what happens. The dirt
gets under the wheel, she loses control and we had
a mess. But she never is actually maintaining her lane.
(05:47):
She's constantly crossing the center line, which poses problems for
anybody because if she is that out of control, if
another car comes along at the wrong time, We're not
doing this story about her life going down the toilet.
We're actually going to be doing a story with her obituary.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
The hit your homicide. That's not what we want for
Britney Spears. But let me ask you, Dave mac you've
never pulled a yui? Are you really going to go
on national TV and say that you've never done a
U turn?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Only pointing out that, hey, this is a woman who
is recognized.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Around the world.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Her ex husband has just released a book about his
life with her, and she acts like she's having to
run away from paparazzi, which she really isn't Nancy, When
you see the video, you know she's not surrounded with
just bulbs going off everywhere. She has no reason to
do something like that. But again, you know, it's you
(06:47):
got people watching your every move. This is this really
the image you want to put out there for everyone
in the entire world?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay, you know what dat did I ask you about
Britney Spears image? No, I asked you had you ever
pulled a giwie? And you kind of stuttered? So yes,
you have. Stuttering is a sign of lyne. Then you
go on about Fetterline. I don't want to hear about
Kevin Federline. He's had his fifteen minutes if iman. That
was a long time ago when he married her, before
(07:15):
he started sucking her blood. Now, the minute child support ends,
he writes a tell all book trashing the mother of
his children. I think that's enoughset about him. So you're
talking about image. Let's go to a PR duru, Rob Shooter,
star of Naughty but Nice podcast. Rob has a brand
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new book out called It Started with a Whisper and
it's selling out on Amazon. He has worked with Britney Spears.
So Rob, are we seeing Brittany the way we want
to see her or the way she really is?
Speaker 7 (07:52):
I've known her for over twenty years. I worked in
a PR office handle Brittany. I've been on many red
carpets with Brittany, events with Brittany. I've been a photo
shoots with Britney Spears. She's always been a troubled young person,
and I think Britney hasn't changed so much in my opinion,
but rather the truth has come out. The image the
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person that we were sold by the record company wasn't
the real Brittany. It was a more polished version, which
is often the case with celebrities. You hire publicists and
managers and agents to put forward an image, your view
that you want. But I don't think in all the
years I've worked as celebrities, have I seen somebody that
has been so different in reality than their public image.
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Brittany hasn't changed. This is the real Brittany. Now are
finally all getting to see it.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Rob Shooter at PR Guru's side, stepping the question beautifully. Okay,
let's get to what's happening right now. Not Britney's image
and the damage to it, but is she spiraling out
of control? Is there another conservatorship on the horizon. We
also have her denial that this is her, Well it
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is her, so, Rob Sheeter, Britney Spears claims the person
at the restaurant and driving is a doppleganger a look alike?
Is it?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
This is Britney Spears. Brittany's had a long, really unfortunate
history with the truth, and often Britney can say things
and really believe it herself. Deep down, I'm sure she
knows what's really going on, but it does a lot
easier here to blame somebody else than to take any responsibility.
And even though Brittany has struggled deeply, this is just
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another example of why Britney so desperately needs somebody to
step in. It's impossible for Brittany to admit the truth
to herself. In fact, I would argue.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
She doesn't even believe his lyings.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
She believes the liars.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Crime stores with Nancy Gray rob Sheeter. I would be
more willing to accept her camps claim that she hadn't
been drinking, but they couple that with saying that wasn't her.
In fact, Brittany said it herself that it was a
quote look alike. That's Britney Spears right there. So the
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manager at the restaurant says she was not intoxicated, but
the video does show her on steady on her seat.
What do you think, yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
It doesn't matter. I think at the end of the
day here legally it might matter. But this is clearly
somebody that's out of control, and somebody was dangerous, not
just to herself but to other people, anybody else driving
like that in California or anywhere else. If they were stopped,
if they were spotted by the police, there would be
huge implications. And said, this video, I'm told is just
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the tip of the iceberg. People that know Brittany, that
have worked with her, that have seen her out, have
always described this to me as a rat. This is
not somebody that is stable. And even though the manager
of the bar, the restaurants claims that they were not drinking,
Britain was not drinking. We've seen the video of this.
Clearly something going on.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, clearly you cannot prove a do UI without having
a blood test or an alcohol sobriety test or a
blow test where you blow into a breathalyzer test. So
we don't know. And if she did have one glass
of wine, that may not make her a do UI.
If it's combined with any sort of medication, then you've
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got a whole another can of worms. We're talking to
Rob Shooter, host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of
a hit novel It started with a whisper, and he
has worked with spears. You know, I'm very curious. Do
you believe Rob Shooter that there is any way her
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family would now help her? Would they touch her with
a ten foot poll? After the way her father was vilified,
wrongly or rightfully regarding that draconian conservatorship that he was
in charge of with his daughter. Will the family help her?
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Rob?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
My reporting is the family won't touch this. They saw
what happened to Britney's father, who was crucified in the media,
in the press, the fans absolutely how did this man
for really save in his daughter's life? And so I
think we all have a lot of soul search in
thinking to do here. We all wanted Brittany to be free,
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but without ever thinking about what does that actually look like?
What does that actually mean? And a free Brittany is
a very dangerous one and so it's clear she needs
some help. The problem is now is who's going to
provide that knowing what happens to the last person that did.
Her dad was crucified. She had a legal team beat
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him up day after day after day. Nobody in the
family wants to go through that again. They all want
to help Brittany, but they're all scared, and I honestly
I don't blame.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Them straight out to special guests joining us tonight. You
know him well as we all do, Perez Hilton. He
is a pop culture expert. He blogs. He's a columnist,
co host of the Perez Hilton podcast, author of TMI
My Life in Scandal, and a children's book, The Boy
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with Pink Hair, and you can find him at Perez
Hilton dot com. Prez, it's great to see you again.
Thank you for joining us tonight. Thanks for having me, Perez.
Britney spears. You know I was at the forefront fighting
to free Britney, and as Oscar Will said, be careful
what you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it.
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I still think it was right to get her out
from under the conservatorship, but there was no transition. She
went from total draconian control of her life too wild
and free and it is not working out. Tell me
about the latest incident, Perez.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Well, the very latest.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There's an update, since perhaps some of your viewers heard
that Britney. According to reports was seen driving erradically in
the Thousand Oaks area of Los Angeles, where she lives.
The paparazzi got her going to a local restaurant there and,
according to reports, having a glass of wine. However, we've
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now heard from the manager of that restaurant, whom, according
to him, denies that Britney Spears was intoxicated. She was
not there by herself. She was accompanied by a female
friend and a fellow patron at the restaurant was the
one who bought Britney that drink, and she was very friendly.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I know a lot about Britney Spears. I have a
lot of empathy for her. She's never been a good driver,
and you might ask yourself why is she even driving.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
She does have a security team.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
An entire detail, But for some reason, Brittany, while not
being the best driver, has always loved to drive. I
remember vividly before she was placed on that psychiatric hold,
her life was so chaotic leading up to that, she
would sometimes drive in her car after her kids were
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already taken away from her, and she would just drive
around town for hours. There's something that she finds healing
about it, and thankfully nobody was hurt, and I can't
prove that she was drunker or incapacitated in any way.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I understand that going for long drives in your car
can be a source of freedom or independence because you're
totally in control. Pre Hilton, you have three amazing children,
right How would you like to see Britney Spears come
buryling the wrong way down the street at you with
your children in the back. Think about that for a moment.
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I'm not all hung up on did she drink the
glass of wine? Look in my world just because I
think somebody's DUI, I can't take that to a jerry.
I've got to have evidence proof. I've got to have
blood alcohol I've got to have a sobriety test. I've
got to have a blow test. If I don't have those,
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it doesn't exist. If I can't prove it, it's not real.
What I can prove is that video for driving the
wrong way down the road control room. Can I see
the video of the Brittany look alike in the bar?
That's good video too, which Oh there you go. I'm
glad that guy behind her pulled over. Okay, right here,
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pres Hilton, Should I believe you are my lion eyes
because she is totally toasting everybody with a big, fat drink.
So you're telling me she did not imbibe even though
she had a drink in her hand, or are you
telling me that's not Britney Spears.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What I am saying is I just wish healing for
Brittany and everybody. I have a lot of empathy not
just for her, but also for her children as well
as a victims as well.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Perez, I've known you a long time and I like you,
and I read what you right, and I'll listen to
your podcast.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I just asked you a direct question about driving the
wrong way down a highway at night into oncoming traffic,
and you said you wish for healing. Stop.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I did not answer the question.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And traffic, okay, I did watch the entire video, and
I did not see any traffic coming her way. Obviously
she was not driving as the law dictates.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
But I think the.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Bigger picture is why we're here, why we're even talking
about Britney Spears.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
It's clear that this young woman, well now she's in her.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Forties, but I think for so many of us, she's
still that little girl, and we feel like, Britney's a
part of our family and we're rooting for her and
we want her to.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Have a happy ending.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But I think unfortunately, she's only going to get better
if she wants to get.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Better, you know, Perez Hilton, I'm not quite sure why
my beloved control room is showing racy videos of Brittany
pushing her breast up. I want to talk there. You
go right there, that's like a going in. No, okay, Perez,
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I know you can't see oncoming traffic, but would you
at least agree she's driving on the wrong side of
the road.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
More than that she was driving erratically. I would say
she she was swerving. And this is nothing new.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
As I shared with you, she's always been a bad driver.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Hey, hey, hey, put him back up for Pete's sake, Perez,
there's a big difference in a bad driver. A lot
of people are bad drivers, but ahead on collision on
the wrong side of the road. I've seen vehicular homicide
cases before where even with the jaws of life, you
can barely get the victim out of their vehicle through
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no fault of their own. You said we're all rooting
for Brittany. I am too, do you know how much
hate mail I got for demanding that conservatorship end and
vilifying her father from making reportedly six million dollars off
that conservatorship. I did not think that was fair, working
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her like a mule and everybody sucking on her like
a tick taking all the money. I thought that was wrong,
and it was wrong. But this is also wrong, bad
driver and vehicular homicide.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
My question, my question to you is what do you
think is the path forward?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What should happen? What would we know see? I was
asking you the questions, mister Hilton. I'm asking you the
question to say, you've worked with Brittany, You've known Brittany
for a long time, and I agree. She feels like
somebody in our family that we all grew up with.
We've been watching her shi she was on the Mickey
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Mouse Show, I guess, and she's beautiful and wonderful and
amazingly talented. That does not excuse a potential head on collision.
And it hasn't happened yet, and this is the time
for action the family. Whitn't you agrees afraid to touch
her with a ten foot pole after the father was
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vilified rightfully or wrongfully. So what is your experience with Britney?
Is there any way to get to her?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, I think the best way to get to her
is through her sons, who are adults now, Sean Preston
and Jaden James. They're nineteen and twenty. And unfortunately, last
week Kevin Fetterline, her ex husband, said that because of
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things that they have observed, both of the kids, adults
now over the age of eighteen, did spend time with
Brittany this year, one more than the other, and they
don't feel.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Comfortable spending more time with her. And it's such that
we're asking so much as men.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yes, isn't it true that one of them got an
expensive car from her in the past year?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
That would not shock me. I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And so if that is true, he takes a car,
but is afraid to be with her, but not afraid
to take the car, I'm that extremely inconsistent.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well, I'll give.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You an exclusive that I've heard from some of my sources.
It's more than just the car, Nancy. I'm told that Brittany,
even though she's not legally obligated to do so, still
financially supports her sons and gives them an allowance, both
of them, even the one that is more estranged from her.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know, I'm not surprised. I mean, is there anything
you would not do for any of your three children?
Because I can think of very few things I wouldn't
do for mine, So I'm not surprised she's giving money
to her children. They're her boys. But it is a
little galling that Federline is still sucking her blood writing
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a tail all book. Coincidentally, as soon as a child support.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Ends, I expect fully that he will continue to do this.
Brittany and the people around her just decide to silence
him by giving him more money.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Perez, I think at this juncture we can expect a
long line stretching endlessly into the future, appearances by fetter
Line promoting his book, maybe getting paid appearances. Make no mistake.
Child's support is paid to the parent, and the parent
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takes that money to support the children. So all the
child support was was a huge amount Britney Spears was
paying went to fetter Line to use as hec's fit,
and the minute that ended, he puts out the book.
Have you read the book? Do you know about the book?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I know?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Every detail about the book, and I find it hilarious
that he says he's doing.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
It for his children.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I would have more respect for him if he was
just transparent and said I'm doing this for the money.
He also claims he's releasing this book because he's concerned
about Britney. If you're really concerned about the mother of
your children, I think there are better ways to express that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You mean, shut the hell up and help her. I mean,
that's what I would have suggested. Now, this is confounding
to me. The court awarded and this is, according to him,
twenty grand a month in child support that saw two
hundred and forty thousand, nearly quarter million dollars a year,
and at the same time alimony like he can't go
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to work of twenty thousand a month.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, the number was increased eventually, so it did go
up to forty thousand a month for a long time.
Another little bit of good news. Brittany is estranged, as
we know, from her father, from her mother, from her sister. However,
Brittany has an older brother, which a lot of people
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don't know or the me media doesn't talk about that often.
And Britney's brother, Brian Spears is, to my understanding, the
only family member in regular and close contact with Britney.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So you know, I do believe in the.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Value and importance of family, and hopefully he is a
positive influence for his sister.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Perez. Federline was getting around a half a million dollars
a year from Brittany, and according to you more, I'm
using a conservative calculation, and the minute that money ends,
suddenly he has a tell all but which totally trashes
the mother of his children to clear his name? What
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does his name need to be cleared? Who wants to
clear the name of Kevin Federline? Does anyone even think
about Kevin Federline?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, listen, like you, Nan, I'm all about keeping
it real and being honest.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
A couple of years ago, Brittany came.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Out with her own memoir, So I do think it
is absolutely valid and fair for Kevin to release.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
His Now, oh so that's surprised, Hill to the name
is fair, Nanny, Nini boo boo. Please, it's only fair.
You did it if you are if I am this, so,
are you are you crazy? No? You're not crazy, I
know that for a fact. But your reasoning is a
non sequitur. It doesn't follow. He's the one making all
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the money off of her, and now that the money ends,
he's trashing her. He has used her from day one
and used her children against her. Was she the best mom?
I can clearly say with no doubt, no, she was not.
But this book, okay, I just find it to be
I hate using this word triggering. He puts the book out,
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and now this incident happens with her driving. She can't
blame anyone but herself for the driving, but he knows
how fragile she is and put this book out. Anyway,
He's just looking for another payday. But he's not my concern.
My concern is a future vehicular homicide victim. So you
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think the brother can talk sense into her?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I don't know if anybody can talk sense into Brittany, sadly,
but the good thing is outside of the brother, every
other person in Britney's.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Life is on the payroll. So they're just another form
of Kevin fetterline. And that's sad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Let me be clear, Are you telling me that's not
Brittany that I'm looking at right there? Driving that car?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
The wrong one? Brittany it's her.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay, and are you also telling me she did not
drink alcohol at the bar?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I didn't say that, I said according to the manager
of the restaurant, he alleges that Brittany was not drunk.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know what, you know us a little about you.
You throw in enough allegedly's reportedly's and according tos. I mean,
it's amazing. I should take a page out of your book,
for sure. What were you going to say?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
But you know, listen, I'm on teen truth and just
one drink can have a really bad reaction if you're
also taking medication, and I don't know, perhaps Brittany is
on medication. So it was an unfortunate incident and hopefully
it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I very often call unfortunate incidents felonies, and that's
what I don't want Britney Spears to be involved in.
You think anybody would come to her aid if she's
charged with a hic homicide. No, everybody would be piling
on and then you'd have the victim totally destroyed. Okay,
what's your most vivid memory, your most vivid personal memory
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of Britney.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I mean, I remember.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It sucks because it was during the conservatorship, but her
life was stable and she was performing and doing what
she loves. And I went to go see her show
in Las Vegas, and this was after I was in
her Circus tour opening and for this.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
One song, she brought me up on stage and put
me on a leash.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And walked me around and that was a fun moment
for me, definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. I'd like to
say for us, Hilton, please, Britney Spears put you on
a leash and walked you across the stage like a dog,
and that's your best memory. Okay, I think I'll leave
on that point. Thank you, mister Hulton. No further comments.
Cross examination has now ended. An erradic driving video of
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Britney Spears has gone viral. Her response, that was a
look alike, It wasn't me. Here's the concern. If that's
what we're seeing in public, what is happening and private?
I want you to see a video posted by we
believe none other than her loving ex husband Kevin Fetterline
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in his attempt to trash the mother of his children.
But this is a harsh reality. If this is to
be believed. Listen, I'm in here while we're trying to
go to bed, and and you just this is my house.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
If I want to come in here and give you
lotion for your face because it is coarse, and all you.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Tell me now he's fine? Is fine?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, it's not fine. You all better start respecting me.
Are we clear?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Yeah? And when Robin calls an you're all.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
You're all, even Robin's a kid, she says, what have
you been giving to your kids?
Speaker 6 (30:49):
You're all?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You own?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
You to start treating me like a woman with worth.
I am a woman. Okay, be nice to me. Do
you understand?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Straight out to our all star panel of a guest.
That video, as I mentioned earlier, was from Kevin Federline.
Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us from La, author of
deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock and find
her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Before I tank
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the water, I'd like to hear your response to that video,
Nancy is heartbreaking. Those kids are being verbally abused.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
She's telling them that they need to respect her, but
not in the way that a parent says.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know, I cook dinner for you.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
So you could.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Appreciate what I've done.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
It's more like she's exploiting them for her own narcissistic gratification,
getting them to admire her and look up to her,
and that is really the use of the relationship with
her children.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I don't know quite what to make of it. There
is more video, and let me go out to our
lawyer joining us is a conservatorship specialist, and of course
I'm going to go to her on conservatorships, but she's
probably just other sorts of law as well. Elizabeth J. Mcinturffe,
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specializing in guardianship issues, partner at Selzer Gervich. Elizabeth, thank
you for being with us. Whenever you, I assume like me,
would put a witness on the stand, I would have
to judge the credibility. Can they be believed? I put
everything on the stand, from a nun, a priest, possibly
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a virgin, to strippers, prostitutes, drug addicts, you name it,
and I can tell you this much. Every witness you
put on the stand will be cross examined, so you've
got to be ready. My point, consider the source. This
is a video posted by her ex who is sucking
her blood with his tell all book. Coincidentally, the moment
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his child support ends, then he writes a book. He
posted this, But even though I'm considering the source, Elizabeth McInturff,
I can't argue with its authenticity.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
The video itself may be authentic, but what doesn't matter
if it was, you know, nearly twenty years ago. Now
we're talking about Brittany in the present sense and whether
or not she needs additional help, whether or not a
conservatorship is appropriate, what may or may not happened fifteen
years ago with her then, you know, younger children shouldn't
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matter as it stands right now as to whether or
not she needs a guardianship. In fact, that was likely
already considered during her first guardianship.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Elizabeth McInturff, are you telling me that when you don't
know a horse, you cannot judge her track record?
Speaker 12 (33:51):
The track record that the court is going to be
looking at is going to be the track record that's
happening right now, what has happened since the last guardianship.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
So I don't know if you've ever been to a race,
but certainly seen the Kentucky Derby on TV. A track
record is what has happened in the past not what
is happening right now. I'm sure you're familiar with similar
transactions in the law that tend to prove or disprove
the case in chief. What I'm talking about, and the
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reason I showed that video is we see the erratic
driving in the here and now, but what happens behind
closed doors. What I'm saying is there is a move
afoot to revive her conservatorship after this erratic driving video
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went viral, and there is a track record of bizarre
behavior in the past, but the bizarre doesn't necessarily require
a conservatorship. Everybody thinks everybody else is bizarre, right, So
who are we to step and say she needs a conservatorship?
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But Elizabeth mcinturf, who I'd like to see while I'm
talking to her, Elizabeth, when you begin to threaten other
people and put them in danger, that changes everything.
Speaker 12 (35:13):
Correct, And her putting people in danger is something that
the court may consider, but it's really is whether or
not she's putting herself in danger. The fact that she
put other people in danger the other night is horrifying.
And I also just question why no one called the
police if they're behind this car for miles presumably I
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can tell you that shining a foolish.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Until they call you that. I'll tell you why, because
this video was not taken by a concerned citizen. It's
my belief, which has not been corroborated, that it's taken
by the paparazzi and they wanted to get the whole shot.
They'd probably be thrilled if she had a crash, because
then they'd have the video. That's why they didn't call police.
They thought their video would end. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I think you're probably right on that.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
And whether or not though that that driving incident means
that she needs a guardianship is maybe something in the
court would look at, but it wouldn't be kind of
the end all be all of the guardianship. And like
you mentioned, it's the guardianship is a nuclear action. It's
kind of the last thing you.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Want to do. Oh, so they should be consaying a
number of steps. Are you watching the video at all
while you're talking? I'm sure the paparazzi are chasing her
as usual. No, there you go. Now watch this she
veers from one side into oncoming traffic in the next.
So okay. People have argued there was no oncoming traffic,
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slams on breaks and then keeps going. That's dangerous, oh, Elizabeth, Yeah,
horrifying the driving itself, and that is again something that
they may consider, But any of itself does not mean
a guardianship.
Speaker 12 (36:54):
If it did, what in her ex justin Timberlake have
a guardianship? He himself had a DUI And so.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What the is looking really good point? That's a really
good point, Elizabeth mcinturf. I was just arguing with our
Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack who called her out
for making a euwie? Is there anybody on this panel,
let your voice be heard that has never pulled a
yui before. Just because there's one incident of erratic driving
does not a conservatorship make, But coupled with other behavior,
(37:25):
there may be a case Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Shouldn't there be another conservatorship before anyone else is hurt?
The video we showed you earlier Britney Spears fussing at
(37:46):
her children about as they're trying to go to bed,
about putting on lotion and demanding they respect her as
a woman. Here is another video posted by Fetterline. Have
you lost your.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
Mind care, But I'm shocked as with you, and I
don't know what to do. And I'm scared of you
because you're weird, because you're going through puberty. I don't
know what to say, but I do care more than
you know, Sha, But don't be my little body can't
handle all of that. But it's like sometimes I just
don't even know what to say with you. I was
in shock and I do care. Literally, I was in
(38:22):
shocked in the store when I look down and Jayden.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
How are you so cool about that?
Speaker 10 (38:25):
Your brother being mc barron's big feat Sin's thirteen, Now,
well he's my brother often all the more exposed his
feet your blood in ice cream shop in Alaska weather.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Don't you think that's a little odd?
Speaker 12 (38:40):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, I think your fond should be gone, Okay for
very long? Yeah, that's what I was posted by Kevin
Federline on Insta via page six.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
During her outing with a friend at Red Oh in Westlake, California,
Spears reportedly displayed unusual behavior, including knocking over glasses and
eyebrows among onlookers.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Straight out to a private investigator, Chief Operation Officer Nathan's Investigations,
who specializes in conservatorship issue investigations. Ashley word Law joining us. Ashley,
thanks for being with us. I find the timing unusual
that this talk of should there be a new conservatorship
(39:24):
exactly when the leech Kevin Federline puts out his tell
all book. I find it coincidental that that happens right
when his child support about forty grand a month combined
with alimony ends. Now he writes a tell all book,
(39:45):
and then suddenly there is this viral video and then
suddenly there's a snowball effect, and we're talking about a
conservatorship in that video. I don't see her doing anything
that a lot of people haven't done.
Speaker 8 (39:58):
As a private investigator, our job would be to get
factual evidence. So yes, we are going to look for
videos that show her behavior, but we can't speak to
what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, we're going to look for past videos.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
We're going to look for financial records and interview people,
you know, those who were present at the time and see,
you know, what their thoughts were and what was going
on with her while she was out in public. Okay,
we can only go and get what's happening outside of
our household.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So, for example, we do surveillance on her for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
We want to show a consistent.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Pattern for her.
Speaker 8 (40:34):
It can't just be one viral moment or one bad
moment and we take it.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
And run with it.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
We need to be able to build a historical timeline
and show from point A up until this point, this
is what's been going.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
On with her, and we need that footage.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
We need things like videos and photos so that we
can present this to those decision makers.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well put how she Wardlaw joining us from Nathan's investigations.
You know, Yessica Fan, it's just all fitting together a
little too neatly, Jessica Fan joining US Senior investigative reporter
Us Son that all of this emerges, it bubbles up
right when Federal Line's book comes out.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Yeah, you know, I have mixed feelings about kay Fed
coming out with this book. I mean, on the one hand,
it seems like it was well timed for Brittany to
not be doing well.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But on the other hand, is this.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
New depth of her spiraling result of his book. You know,
it's kind of like what came first, the chicken or
the egg here, Brittany doesn't seem to have been doing
well for a little while now, I think we've all
been witnessed to her Instagram and dancing with knives and.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Jessica Fan Jessica Fan. Yeah, if I had a body
like that, I might dance around in Pacey's too. Yeah,
you know, so, so it's easy for us to say
that's bad. It is shend but naked. Who cares?
Speaker 12 (42:03):
I don't gobbled?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Do you care?
Speaker 12 (42:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Okay for the most part.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Note, but there's also the.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Water's forty, and she looks awesome.
Speaker 13 (42:11):
But there's also like dog fecal matter in the background
on the floor, and her house is like clearly in
disarray and to the point where it's like a dean.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
It looks dangerous, Hazmac kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So I'm looking at video right now and I don't
see any of that. I do say some very troubling
knife flay. So okay, Jessica Fan, Do you have a pet?
May I ask? I do? I? Do? I have a
cat with a litter box and have one? Ever? Let
me say, is there a nice way to say this
took a big bat crap on the floor when you
weren't looking.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
It certainly happens.
Speaker 13 (42:46):
It certainly happens.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
But I also don't know. Okay, so out so Brittany's
dog took a poop on the floor and she's dancing
around naked. I'm not the church lady. I'm concerned about
more serious issues like driving on the wrong side of
the road and a potential vehicular homicide. But actually, Wardlaw
is right from Nathan's investigations, there's got to be more
(43:10):
than just Jessica Finn these isolated videos, And as Ashley
Wardlaw pointed out, you're going to have to have a
series of videos or a series of purported bizarre behavior
to establish a conservatorship. Jessica, I get the sense that
(43:31):
you're taking up for k fed. I'm going to let
you defend yourself very quickly. You know.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
It's just that he's calling He's calling it like he
sees it. He lived through her first mental breakdowns and
what happened through the conservatorship. And while I totally think
that this is a cash grab, I don't. I do
think he's like literally reliving and re seeing what happened
so many years ago that got her in that conservationship.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Okay, I need to go to a shrink on that
doctor Bethany Marshall. It sounds like she, Jessica Finn, senior
investigative reporter, is saying that Federline maybe having PTSD as
he's living in his mansion counting his money. You know, Nancy,
maybe he is.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
I actually agree with Jessica.
Speaker 11 (44:15):
I see it from all sides, and maybe that the
timing of the book is because the boys are now
of age to give consent, have turned eighteen, So not
just about the alimony or the child support. It could
be that Brittany has escalated to a point where there
needs to be some kind of intervention so she's not
a danger to self or others.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
But I watched Bethany Marshall on the way to your
office in the sky, your plush sweet, you've never gone
over the center lane before. But that's not what this is.
Next to see, that is not what this is owed her.
Speaker 11 (44:52):
I don't think so, because she did it multiple times.
Nancy does a thirty minute ride from the restaurant to
her house. That was thirty minutes that she could have
killed herself or somebody else, and the paparazzi doesn't even
call nine one one. I mean, you eloquently pointed out
that they're not motivated to do it. But you know, Nancy,
if she or my patient, I would wonder if she
(45:14):
was still connected to reality, if she had driven everybody away,
if she's become the kind of person who's untreatable, because
she might just fire whoever has helping her and then
replace that person with.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Somebody of Ephany, you actually have me over a barrel.
There are plenty of people out there that have driven
everyone away. They don't have any friends. That does not
mean they should be under a conservatorship. I don't care
how many times she dances naked except for some pasties
on instant. Don't care. But, Elizabeth mcintur, if you're the
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expert in guardianship issues, Bethany has me over a barrel. Can't.
I don't care about the knife video. I don't care
about the dog taking a poop and there's the offender
in the background the dog. I do care about a
potential vehicul homicide. I care about Britney hurting herself or
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someone else. But what can we do? I mean, I
have defended Britney since day one, but when other people
aren't at risk, that changes the mix.
Speaker 12 (46:23):
Elizabeth, what the court is going to look for in
a guardianship proceeding is just whether or not she has
capacity to make decisions. People with capacity make bad decisions
all the time. Right they choose to drive erradically, they
choose to yell at their children, they make decisions that
are not safe for them or safe for others. It
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does not necessarily mean that they have a guardianship. The
court is going to look at is whether or not
she has the capacity to make those decisions. And if
she doesn't have the capacity to make those decisions, perhaps
a guardianship inappropriate.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
But she does have the capacity and.
Speaker 12 (46:58):
She's just making bad decisions, that does not require a guardianship.
And there's other options that could take that aren't the
nuclear option of a guardianship. There's certainly an intervention that
family and friends could hold, she can take other actions,
have medical powers of attorney, people to assist her in
case she isn't a crisis. But we have to remember
(47:21):
that a guardianship is an absolutely extreme remedy in which
we are taking away all of somebody's rights in many events,
and so we have to think about that carefully before
we start throwing around that people need guardianships or they
don't need guardianships, particularly when what we're trying to do
is control bad behavior as opposed to assist somebody who's
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lacking in capacity.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Now we remember an American hero, Sergeant Frederick Coleman, Arkansas
Department Corrections, killed in the line of duty after fifteen
years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow,
and six children and without their father. American hero Sergeant
Frederick Coleman. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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