July 2, 2025 • 42 mins
A jury finds Sean "Diddy" Combs guilty of two counts relating to transporting individuals for prostitution, but the rap mogul is acquitted of the more serious charges of sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy.
The first day of deliberations split the jury, leaving Combs receiving a partial verdict. Jurors sent a note saying they reached a verdict on counts two through five, meaning they were unable to reach a consensus on the racketeering charge, one of the biggest charges.
After the verdict, Combs' attorneys ask for bail. Judge Arun Subramanian denies bail, sending Combs back behind bars until his sentencing hearing. Combs appeared to believe he would be going home. The court has scheduled the sentencing for October 3, 2025, with the hearing scheduled for next Tuesday.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé - Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
- Dr. Cheryl Arutt - Licensed Clinical and Forensic Psychologist (specializing in trauma recovery, PTSD and EMDR); Website: CreativeEMDR.com, IG: @askdrcheryl
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator at “Crispin Special Investigations," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice (DEA and Miami Field Division), and Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast and Former Publicist of Sean Combs; IG: @naughtygossip
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors,
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube; Website: primetimecrimeshow.com, X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Breaking news Tonight, Diddy goes to jail after exuberant celebrations
outside the courthouse with Dinny fans dousing each other with
baby oil. Of course, now a somber tone as Sean
Combs heads to jail. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. After
(00:29):
a split verdict earlier in the day, where Shawn Combs
is acquitted of rico, two other counts come into play.
Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. There was a
massive argument via paper to keep Shawn Combs behind bars,
(00:50):
the defense fighting tooth and nail to let him out
on appeal bond, which means you get out while your
conviction is being appear joining me right now Tisa Tales.
You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa
start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on
pins and needles.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on
at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone.
They walked in and when they.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Said please read, and they said, what do you find ye?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
On count one?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in
the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.
There were tears of joy from Ditty's side.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Count two, what say ye not guilty? Again?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any
even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to
get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.
Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,
When they said guilty for the manna, that is when
did He's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,
(02:16):
come on, almost like we were watching a pro football game.
When the other ones came in after that, there were
jaws on the ground. It was unbelievable. People were looking
at the jury, searching and to how they can get
a verdict in this day and age. They heard Cassie's mother,
the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about
(02:37):
the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable that the only
thing they said was prostitution.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And that is because Daniel.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing
that it was because that he got paid to have
sex for money.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was a travesty. It was an all out circus.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I got a question for your tast of tales, and
everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a
car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters
were out of control.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The first time I ran and dipped my live.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told
me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure
you have security.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
There's a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't
just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Diddy's support is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they
were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.
It got so bad and there was so much chaos
of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock
the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.
It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new
(03:50):
media have never seen in their lives.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The level and again the jurors.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I hope to God they know how to sleep night, because.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Again I'm sure they did their duty.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But when all that cast was happening, as I was
being threatened and ushered out by armed security people, I thought,
this is what the jury did.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
They sent a signal that it is okay to use.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to
live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do whatever
you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,
and you have enough money and enough de losional fans,
and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you
can do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers
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will look the other way.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Again, this jury was shocking.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Taste of tales.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When you say that Shawonkhim's supporters threatened you, what were
they saying?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
They were saying you B you F and B were
going to kill you? You F and B. You worked.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Apparently I worked for the fans. You're a plant. You
make this all up because of you. Again, they're not
too smart.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Because of you.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you
worse than we treated Cassie.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Cassie, what we do.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
To you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie.
They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying,
apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. Of course, thank goodness.
We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the
best arm guards out there. So the one thing is
they and also they started foaming like wild dogs because
they realized that I was not an unprotected woman, and
(05:29):
they realized they could not just do what they felt like,
And they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming, their voices
cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to rip me apart.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This is why their hero had been exonerated.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Even in the best of times, these people that support him,
there's something wrong with it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It was not just me.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp
from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's who stuffed joining me an all star panel. But
I want to thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight.
You know, Rob Shooter is joining me.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I really don't know where to start. This is a blow.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is a huge blow to crime victims all over
the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,
Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.
I was actually worried that somehow.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The judge would contriveting the law.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And the law is under the Bell Reform Act that
for these two charges on which he was convicted he
has to go to jail.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
There is no appeal bond period.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow
find a way to let him walk.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And all this time, Shooter.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's
one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about
Combs is long documented history a violent retaliatory behavior.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
They're afraid. Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. His
longtime publicists no more. But now you can find him
at his substack Robshooter dot substack dot com and not
Ey but Nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Shooter.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I got to tell you, it's like a kick in
the stomach when that split verdict came down.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,
I just want to send my best to Tisha. What
happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong,
and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because
their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going
to walk free.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So this morning, when we heard the judgment, I think we.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, we all
felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, as
the day has gone on, we do have to remember,
Nancy that he has been found guilty of two.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Very serious charges.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges,
those alone and being found guilty, we would be done
with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment
from people who've been watching this as closely as we have,
I think we can take a step back both sides
and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.
(08:27):
He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,
He's going to remain there until he is sentenced, and
so at least take some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,
rape victims from all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There are upset.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad,
they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected
to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and nothing like
what Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I
give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.
(09:13):
And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath,
and they went in against one of the highest profile
personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think
that they know and they love him, and for some reason,
(09:33):
that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex
attack victims said.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And one had the video? What had the video? I
just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean
Comes got a split vertic. But yes, you're right, he
is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's
a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Yeah, that's a victory.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
We have to hang on for that, Nancy, because in
this moment, in this hour, it's not a lot of hope.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Everything seems so bad.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
We have let down not just the people in this case,
but victims around the world. Did he now will be
empowered this is not the end of the story, Nancy.
When he gets out of jail, if he gets out
of jail, his behavior will not change because he thinks
(10:32):
he has.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Gotten away with it. Again. If you enable.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,
this is not the end of the did he story.
It's the end of a very very sad chapter. And
I think we've let a lot of people down. And
as far as being concerned about safety, I just broke
reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie in
New York, her home now has security increased. And I
(10:59):
think a lot of other people, courageous people who came
forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came forward and testified.
They're very vulnerable and they are very, very scared right now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Lynn Shaw joining me, Founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated
to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.
When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But it's happened.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go
home and hide under the bed. Should they have just
never even brought the case? They did it because they
believed it, and I still do believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Lynn.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having
sex with male sex workers.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's sex trafficking. I believe her.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.
This is a sober reflection today on everything I've been
talking about for about eight weeks now with this trial
that the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,
do not understand predation power, what sex trafficking is. And
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a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.
This case was about all of the victims across the
country the world whose voices have been silenced because they
don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,
status over believing their truths. But I want to point out,
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as the day enrolled, there is hope. I've spent all
day coaching people, talking people, fielding text messages, and I
want to say, you know what, these victims that reach
out to me, Nancy, they're not even angry, you know
what they keep saying. Please, Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims.
Please remind everybody we have a voice. Please, remind everybody
we are here, and that goes back to I have
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to do. We have to do in society a better
job of educating about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma,
what predation really looks like. This is the most frightening
thing to empower this. Sean Combs and I just want
to make the commitment that we will work very hard
to continue reforming, raising awareness and working with the justice system.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it
to a safe location, Tisa Tales. I want to talk
about what happened when the split verdict was announced in
the courtroom, and then I want to move to the
appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take
it from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The split verdict, from the very beginning. When you heard
count one not guilty, a bomb went off in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Not guilty. No one could believe it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Song Diddy's calm side even looked around as if they
hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury would actually.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Go this far.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.
When the second count was read again, jawls dropped open.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Did he leaned back in relief, raised his hands. The
defense team was.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like, yes, I get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay,
they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side,
started celebrating, started saying yeah, when we heard the third count,
guilty for the prostitution, okay, everyone on his side it
was like.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
They were clapping, almost like they were watching a football game.
When they first came out with the verdict. The prosecution
was doing what they were doing. They were looking straight
and it's a job, I would assume, to look like
they always have it under control. By the time they
got to the third count, Marine called me looked over
at the jury in disbelief.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Literally again, she's always.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Very composed, but even for her to finally look over
at the jury on some are you kidding me? And
she just kept looking at the jury as they read
the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,
but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can
you forget the vicious beatings, How can you forget the
twenty k the mom had to wire and order for
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two freak off tapes not to be released.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, that's what she thought. When she wired it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung
over balcony.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
She might have got the date wrong by a few
days days, but the point is it happened.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend
Carrie who got a hangar to the head and saw
Cassie get impiled driven into the corner of a bed
on purpose. How can you forget all that and come
back and say, you know what, we don't see anything
criminal here again. We can argue about the procesxcuse prostitution
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got ditty.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
On the head. We can argue about the prosecution what
they could.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Have did better, But the fact that the jury chose
to overlook all that. It brought me back to what
Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I first started joining you, Nacy,
that people get starstrucked and they want some of that magic.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And it makes me wonder were they starstruck?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Were they feeling sorry and trying to protect a legacy
for someone that hit their depravity and their evil ways
behind it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It makes you.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Wonder Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Bombshell Tonight, Sean Comes aka Diddy goes to jail, that's right.
After a last ditch bid at an appeal bond, he
was denied and is going to jail right now as
we speak, Joining Man All Star Panel.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Back to Tasa Tails joining us. She had to be.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Escorted by armed guards out of the courthouse and leave
the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain
to me what was happening outside the courthouse. I understand
that was the split verdict was announced. The Diddy followers,
the Diddy worshippers went cray outside the courthouse, actually dousing
(17:24):
each other with baby oil and chanting.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit
of depravity.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,
feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb
briefs and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling why
they sat there spraying baby on her, and the crowd.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Was channing yay, yay, yay go and.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of party depravity.
When I say, I was sickened. When I say, I
shook my head. And when I said, these are the peers,
these are the jury of the peers, And it makes
me wonder.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
As a jury goes home and they look at the television.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Sets and they see what their decision costs and what
was on the line, it makes me wonder how can they.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Sleep at night?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and
down with the baby oil woman willingly baby oil being
squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a time
like Christmas had just come with Santa and the twelve
perverted Elves. What happened after that was even more amazing
because while that was going on, there were little fires
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everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're
in cels, if they're idiots, what was going on looking
for anybody they had ever saw make anti Ditty contests,
And by anti Diddy, according to Thelm, it is pro justice.
They were going out their ways to make sure.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
That everybody paid.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,
and let us know.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's sent a message.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,
it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever
you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave
the verdict, signals that again I'm still coming to terms
with how.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
The jury got to this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative
reporter on the case from the very beginning. Break down
the counts for me, said.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was
found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four,
and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage
in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for
Casey and Jane on both of those charges. So the
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jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to
engage in prostitution charges and not guilty see on sex
trafficking for either Jane or Cassie.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,
joining US out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debate, this
is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two
sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates
to Cassie Ventira. You know the woman that was beaten
in that video and dragged back to a freak off
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her the one that had to get plastic surgery on
her face after Didd he beat her up. That one,
that's a not guilty. Count three transportation to engage in
prostitution as it relates to Cassie. Guilty that carries a
maximum of ten years, and that comes, I believe from
the sex worker who came in Philip and described Sean
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Combs wearing a burka from the chin up and make
it from the chin down and had him have sex
with Cassie on video and directed them that was across
state lines. So gilty on that count four. Sex trafficking
by force, fraud, oft coercion as it relates to Jane victim.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Two not guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Jane.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.
So there was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers
heard split. They heard the words not guilty on count
one and went crazy, What do you think is going
to happen now, Philip?
Speaker 10 (21:37):
I think he's going to get three to five years
for the transportation for prostitution. He has no criminal record whatsoever.
He was exonerated at the RICO charge. He was exonerated
of the basically the sex trafficking charges, which really were
the top counts, and the jury really cut him a
brake on those charges. The max or transportation is ten years.
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But given the fact that he really has no criminal convictions, I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Telling you he really could ideally.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
Be a candidate four prof. When the court denied his
request for bail, he was really telegraphing to John Ditty
defense counsel and the world that he will be getting
prison time. There's no question, right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Another thing debate. Let's get real.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's really rare in federal and state court that once
you're convicted and a jury convicts you on a violent offence,
that you get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge,
I know he just got convicted, but could you please
let him walk free now until we take this all
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the way up to the appellate court and get a
decision that rarely works.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Agree, disagree?
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Oh, I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
No higher court is going to find that this judge
abused his discretion by not letting him out or by
not setting a bond.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Robert Chrispin joining me an investigator at Crispin Special investigations
former homicide and former vice detective Crispin.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and
appeal a bond.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now, remember once.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
He was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He
did not have a bond right for a reason. He's
got money, and he squats right over by Teeterborough, the
private airport near New York. You know, if the judge
had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he'd goes straight
(23:37):
to Teeborough and take off, probably under an assumed name.
When you fly a private plane, you can give a
fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through
TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where
they will frisk you and look in all your bags.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's not like that. At a private plane.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You kind of just walk on onto your private plane
that he has, have a glass of champagne and go
bye bye us, Hello Paris.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's what happens, Crispin.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy I
was trying to find out where his G five to
fifty was because we know that it was out in
La a couple of days ago. I was trying to
see if they had already got those guys up and running,
and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going
to probably get out and dip out back out to
LA or back down here to Miami to where his
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neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't
look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his
presence with these guys. So I was trying to find
out where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.
But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a
black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any
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of these victims that want to come forward or any
witness that wants to put their ass on the line,
raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a
jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really
bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Look what just happened to our reporter as she was
leaving the courthouse. They were attacking her. This guy was
just found guilty of federal times.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And I'd like to point out Rob Shooter. What they
were saying to Tisa Tills.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
They were saying, we're going to do worse to you
than we did to Cassie Shooter.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I mean, it's heart Breton did.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating
the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the
right thing at this moment is unrealistic.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This is who he is. The whole world has seen
who he.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Is, and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out
there who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can
pretend anymore that we don't know who did he is.
We know we've seen him on tape. That tape will
exist forever. We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts,
we've heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some
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people still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.
And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,
that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it.
He wants people out that, he wants the violence, He
wants people screaming. This to him is the party that
he always wanted to throw shape.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed
to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,
I've told you this before off air. I've seen a
million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen
it all. But there's always a moment in a trial
that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in
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this trial, there were two moments like that for me.
And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down
where she had already been beaten and she was backing
up and she tried to hold up She's right handed
was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand,
the right hand and holding up her left hand against
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Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And
the the other moment was when she was getting beaten
and she was down on the floor and Combs had
a glass, a liquor glass held up ready to throw
down at her face, and she said.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can't you see what's happening? And nobody did anything.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just like today in the courtroom. The jury didn't
do anything.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
People I know who have worked with him, who knew him,
many of us are on a text exchange and they're
heartbroken and a lot of people are really worried to
I don't want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy,
but this is a very dangerous man. This is a
man who allegedly try to fire bomb the car of
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somebody that was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This
is a dangerous, dangerous man. And what that jury has
just done has said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You
keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we will
support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we can't
just blame the jury here. We've got to blame the
person that did it. And that's did he did. He
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is responsible for all this. Everything else is a red herring.
He's the problem and he will continue now to.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Be a problem.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Doctor Cheryl Ert, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,
explain the effect this is going to have on not
only these victims that we heard on the stand, but
other victims everywhere.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power
control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have
a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,
threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults, that were maintaining the power
and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had
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enough evidence to be able to find that what was
happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.
Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you
an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent.
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And what I think people are failing to understand about
the way that the even the threat of violence shapes
behavior is that when someone does not believe that they
can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,
They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are
trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And
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this man certainly has no shortage of people who were
really really right no of him, and still are.
Speaker 12 (30:02):
And I think that these really normal autonomic nervous system
survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the freeze response, these are things
that need to be understood better by juris understood better
by the public, and even by survivors themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You know, Rob Shooter, would you look one more time
at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse. Now we
have gotten this from armand Wiggins and Sta He posted
it earlier today and this is after the split verdict
was announced.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Take a look. Okay armand Wiggins on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Thoughts, Nancy, I can tell you, as somebody who knows
puff those people standing outside that courts have never met him.
They've never been to his apartment, they've never been on
his prime it playing, they've never had a text or
an email or a.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Phone call with him. I have.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
He doesn't care about any of those people, all those
people who have took their time their energy to go
and support this guy. Let me talk to them directly.
He does not care about you. If he can treat
his girlfriend Cassie the way that we've seen him treat
it on video, this is not testimony, this is video.
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If he can treat someone who he's supposed to love
like that, how do you think he can treat you.
He doesn't care about you. You're wasting your energy on him,
and honestly, my friends, stop, he doesn't care. He's laughing
at these people outside that court, He's egging them on,
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but he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction
and so much feeling, and that tells me that you
know something, something you haven't told me. Why do you
believe this? What did you observe to make you say
what you just said.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a
person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense
of pride, who has no sense of decency.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
He's a really bad man, and.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
Through his career, through the media, through his products, he
has managed to come us all, to kid us all
into believing he is somebody else.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end.
In fact, I could even tell you the day that
I thought it was ending.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
It was today.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to
know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix,
but justice does not feel as if it has been served.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Do you know that people aren't flooding the Corehouse, the
judges chamber with letters please don't let him out.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We're afraid.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others
in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard
earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to
Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie and now
he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Sydney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I understand that during the hearing today, this is after
the split verdict, when everyone where I spray each other
with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and yelling
and celebrating. Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney for
the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going to
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be an appeal?
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Bond?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman
today during that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his
hand to speak after the judge denies his request for release.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks
the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,
he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has
shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sidney,
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about that fake apology. I'm gonna queue that up and
play it for you in just a moment, said where
he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according
to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, he
continued the violence after the apology video. That's what she said,
no remorse and no regret at all.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
Yeah, this is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.
Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane Mister colmbs knew
he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple
instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,
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trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell
investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware
it was underway. Judge Supermonian also referenced Mark Agnaphillo's own
closing arguments. You full throwther feet told the jury that
there was violence, domestic violence in all of Colme's relationships.
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Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some
of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty
not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to
bite him now, straight out to Lanshaw.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
This also happened in the proceedings.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
This is after tried to raise his hand to address
the judge directly during the arguments, and this is after
the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now comes
the appeal bond, where the judge is going to decide
will comes walk free tonight?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The judge looks over at the defense and he says,
as Sidney just reported.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Quote you full throatedly.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did.
You full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury
there was violence, and domestic violence is violence. You said
this was the case that did have violence. This is
the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question
of violence.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You conceded that in your closing argument.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Now throughout this comes this furiously passing notes back and
forth to Agniffilo, who was trying to stand there and
argue and read all of Shawn comes his notes.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Wait for it, land Shaw. Magnifilo responds, I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Just think we should trust him.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Lann, please let us all get off this dirty diddy,
degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?
How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.
I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this
violence is violence? Trust him. We have seen everything to
the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How
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much more do we need? This goes back to this
is one of the worst days here at the Warriors
to have all of this video, to hear the way
they're talking about victims. Trust him, trust him. There's no
way anybody should trust him. I'm here in New York
City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've got these dirty Diddy
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disciples running around. People should be in fear of this guy.
But that brings me to how does he get away
with all of this for decades? What about the victims
that I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,
giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if
you don't want to be alone. What a slap in
the face today to all of these victim survivors of
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any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this
is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.
Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what force for coersion. Nobody
understands coersion, And you know what, it is time we
change it up. But this is a travesty today. What
a slap in everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Sean comes goes to jail, tonight split verdict not guilty
on Rico, not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking,
guilty on two counts bringing people across state lines to
engage in an illegal as activity, that being prostitution as
it relates to Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not
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her real name a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me
PI but former beat coop, former special investigator with the
Federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice, and
on and on, Robert Crispin, have you ever been in
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a case where the bad guy walks?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Oh? My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back
such a memory of a guy who was leaning over
the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,
getting ready to drop it on the floor because the
Feds were knocking on the front door and I was
covering the back door, and he dropped it, and I
got it, and I id'ed him, and we went to
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the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,
as the Federal dea Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.
And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.
You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag,
but I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos
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of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a
mind of their own.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I know how that must have felt, Shane. And the
thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from
what the judge was saying when Shawn comes raised his
hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was arguing,
the judge acting like he didn't even see him. The
judge did note the wide divergence between what the state
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wants his sentencing and what the defense wants is sentencing,
But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just
erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie
beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what
the victim said on the stand.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't think it's going to be a light sentence.
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But of course I thought he was going to get
convicted today too, on all accounts. Be honest, take off
your defense hat. Where do you think this is going?
What will be the sentence?
Speaker 10 (41:06):
Three to five years because he has no record and Nancy,
make no mistake about it. The violation of the man
active beast as charge is not a violent crime. It
simply is not. It doesn't mean that it's not a crime,
it's just not.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
You know what, debate, it's a fact debate. It's based debate, prostitute.
Save it to stop.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Because I saw the bruises on Cassie, I saw the
fat lip, I saw the gash in her face, on
her head that needed plastic surgery.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Don't tell me what I didn't see debate At.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
This hour, Shawn Combe's defense attorneys arguing for sentencing.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Sooner.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Are they headed straight to the White House to get
a full on pardon. We don't know, but at this
hour Shawn Combs, at least for tonight, is behind bars,
and now we hear at crime stories. Salute American heroes,
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Heroes that dare to come forward, heroes that against all odds,
take the stand and try, even in the face of defeat,
and to prosecutors, they go into the courtroom against all odds,
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and they try, and when they win, they're mocked, and
when they lose, they're mocked, and they get up the
next day to fight again. To all of you American heroes,
thank you, and good night.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Breaking news Tonight, Diddy goes to jail after exuberant celebrations
outside the courthouse with Dinny fans dousing each other with
baby oil. Of course, now a somber tone as Sean
Combs heads to jail. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. After
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a split verdict earlier in the day, where Shawn Combs
is acquitted of rico, two other counts come into play.
Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. There was a
massive argument via paper to keep Shawn Combs behind bars,
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the defense fighting tooth and nail to let him out
on appeal bond, which means you get out while your
conviction is being appear joining me right now Tisa Tales.
You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa
start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on
pins and needles.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on
at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone.
They walked in and when they.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Said please read, and they said, what do you find ye?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
On count one?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in
the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that.
There were tears of joy from Ditty's side.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Count two, what say ye not guilty? Again?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any
even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to
get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.
Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute,
When they said guilty for the manna, that is when
did He's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,
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come on, almost like we were watching a pro football game.
When the other ones came in after that, there were
jaws on the ground. It was unbelievable. People were looking
at the jury, searching and to how they can get
a verdict in this day and age. They heard Cassie's mother,
the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about
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the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable that the only
thing they said was prostitution.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And that is because Daniel.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing
that it was because that he got paid to have
sex for money.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was a travesty. It was an all out circus.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I got a question for your tast of tales, and
everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a
car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters
were out of control.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The first time I ran and dipped my live.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told
me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure
you have security.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
There's a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't
just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Diddy's support is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they
were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation.
It got so bad and there was so much chaos
of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock
the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street.
It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new
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media have never seen in their lives.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The level and again the jurors.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I hope to God they know how to sleep night, because.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Again I'm sure they did their duty.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But when all that cast was happening, as I was
being threatened and ushered out by armed security people, I thought,
this is what the jury did.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
They sent a signal that it is okay to use.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to
live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do whatever
you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough,
and you have enough money and enough de losional fans,
and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you
can do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers
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will look the other way.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Again, this jury was shocking.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Taste of tales.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When you say that Shawonkhim's supporters threatened you, what were
they saying?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
They were saying you B you F and B were
going to kill you? You F and B. You worked.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Apparently I worked for the fans. You're a plant. You
make this all up because of you. Again, they're not
too smart.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Because of you.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's how this case got started. We're gonna treat you
worse than we treated Cassie.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Cassie, what we do.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
To you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie.
They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying,
apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. Of course, thank goodness.
We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the
best arm guards out there. So the one thing is
they and also they started foaming like wild dogs because
they realized that I was not an unprotected woman, and
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they realized they could not just do what they felt like,
And they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming, their voices
cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to rip me apart.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This is why their hero had been exonerated.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Even in the best of times, these people that support him,
there's something wrong with it.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It was not just me.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp
from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's who stuffed joining me an all star panel. But
I want to thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight.
You know, Rob Shooter is joining me.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I really don't know where to start. This is a blow.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is a huge blow to crime victims all over
the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,
Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail.
I was actually worried that somehow.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The judge would contriveting the law.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And the law is under the Bell Reform Act that
for these two charges on which he was convicted he
has to go to jail.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
There is no appeal bond period.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow
find a way to let him walk.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And all this time, Shooter.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's
one from Deontay Nash in fear. In fear talking about
Combs is long documented history a violent retaliatory behavior.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
They're afraid. Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. His
longtime publicists no more. But now you can find him
at his substack Robshooter dot substack dot com and not
Ey but Nice podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Shooter.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I got to tell you, it's like a kick in
the stomach when that split verdict came down.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,
I just want to send my best to Tisha. What
happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It's wrong,
and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because
their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going
to walk free.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So this morning, when we heard the judgment, I think we.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, we all
felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, as
the day has gone on, we do have to remember,
Nancy that he has been found guilty of two.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Very serious charges.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges,
those alone and being found guilty, we would be done
with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment
from people who've been watching this as closely as we have,
I think we can take a step back both sides
and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.
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He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,
He's going to remain there until he is sentenced, and
so at least take some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,
rape victims from all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There are upset.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad,
they can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected
to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and nothing like
what Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I
give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there.
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And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath,
and they went in against one of the highest profile
personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think
that they know and they love him, and for some reason,
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that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex
attack victims said.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And one had the video? What had the video? I
just I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Rob Sheeter, give me some insight and to how Sean
Comes got a split vertic. But yes, you're right, he
is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's
a victory that Sean Comes is going to jail.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Yeah, that's a victory.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
We have to hang on for that, Nancy, because in
this moment, in this hour, it's not a lot of hope.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Everything seems so bad.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
We have let down not just the people in this case,
but victims around the world. Did he now will be
empowered this is not the end of the story, Nancy.
When he gets out of jail, if he gets out
of jail, his behavior will not change because he thinks
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he has.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Gotten away with it. Again. If you enable.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy,
this is not the end of the did he story.
It's the end of a very very sad chapter. And
I think we've let a lot of people down. And
as far as being concerned about safety, I just broke
reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie in
New York, her home now has security increased. And I
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think a lot of other people, courageous people who came
forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came forward and testified.
They're very vulnerable and they are very, very scared right now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Lynn Shaw joining me, Founder and director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated
to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women.
When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But it's happened.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go
home and hide under the bed. Should they have just
never even brought the case? They did it because they
believed it, and I still do believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Lynn.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I believe Cassie Ventira was coerced and beaten into having
sex with male sex workers.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's sex trafficking. I believe her.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.
This is a sober reflection today on everything I've been
talking about for about eight weeks now with this trial
that the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay,
do not understand predation power, what sex trafficking is. And
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a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.
This case was about all of the victims across the
country the world whose voices have been silenced because they
don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth,
status over believing their truths. But I want to point out,
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as the day enrolled, there is hope. I've spent all
day coaching people, talking people, fielding text messages, and I
want to say, you know what, these victims that reach
out to me, Nancy, they're not even angry, you know
what they keep saying. Please, Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims.
Please remind everybody we have a voice. Please, remind everybody
we are here, and that goes back to I have
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to do. We have to do in society a better
job of educating about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma,
what predation really looks like. This is the most frightening
thing to empower this. Sean Combs and I just want
to make the commitment that we will work very hard
to continue reforming, raising awareness and working with the justice system.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Straight back out to Tisa Tales, who has made it
to a safe location, Tisa Tales. I want to talk
about what happened when the split verdict was announced in
the courtroom, and then I want to move to the
appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take
it from the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The split verdict, from the very beginning. When you heard
count one not guilty, a bomb went off in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Not guilty. No one could believe it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Song Diddy's calm side even looked around as if they
hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury would actually.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Go this far.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty.
When the second count was read again, jawls dropped open.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Did he leaned back in relief, raised his hands. The
defense team was.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like, yes, I get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay,
they literally pulled a magic act. His team, his side,
started celebrating, started saying yeah, when we heard the third count,
guilty for the prostitution, okay, everyone on his side it
was like.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
They were clapping, almost like they were watching a football game.
When they first came out with the verdict. The prosecution
was doing what they were doing. They were looking straight
and it's a job, I would assume, to look like
they always have it under control. By the time they
got to the third count, Marine called me looked over
at the jury in disbelief.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Literally again, she's always.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Very composed, but even for her to finally look over
at the jury on some are you kidding me? And
she just kept looking at the jury as they read
the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best,
but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can
you forget the vicious beatings, How can you forget the
twenty k the mom had to wire and order for
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two freak off tapes not to be released.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, that's what she thought. When she wired it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung
over balcony.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
She might have got the date wrong by a few
days days, but the point is it happened.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend
Carrie who got a hangar to the head and saw
Cassie get impiled driven into the corner of a bed
on purpose. How can you forget all that and come
back and say, you know what, we don't see anything
criminal here again. We can argue about the procesxcuse prostitution
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got ditty.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
On the head. We can argue about the prosecution what
they could.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Have did better, But the fact that the jury chose
to overlook all that. It brought me back to what
Rob Shooter said weeks ago when I first started joining you, Nacy,
that people get starstrucked and they want some of that magic.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And it makes me wonder were they starstruck?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Were they feeling sorry and trying to protect a legacy
for someone that hit their depravity and their evil ways
behind it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It makes you.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Wonder Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Bombshell Tonight, Sean Comes aka Diddy goes to jail, that's right.
After a last ditch bid at an appeal bond, he
was denied and is going to jail right now as
we speak, Joining Man All Star Panel.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Back to Tasa Tails joining us. She had to be.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Escorted by armed guards out of the courthouse and leave
the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain
to me what was happening outside the courthouse. I understand
that was the split verdict was announced. The Diddy followers,
the Diddy worshippers went cray outside the courthouse, actually dousing
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each other with baby oil and chanting.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit
of depravity.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,
feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb
briefs and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling why
they sat there spraying baby on her, and the crowd.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Was channing yay, yay, yay go and.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of party depravity.
When I say, I was sickened. When I say, I
shook my head. And when I said, these are the peers,
these are the jury of the peers, And it makes
me wonder.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
As a jury goes home and they look at the television.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Sets and they see what their decision costs and what
was on the line, it makes me wonder how can they.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Sleep at night?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and
down with the baby oil woman willingly baby oil being
squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a time
like Christmas had just come with Santa and the twelve
perverted Elves. What happened after that was even more amazing
because while that was going on, there were little fires
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everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're
in cels, if they're idiots, what was going on looking
for anybody they had ever saw make anti Ditty contests,
And by anti Diddy, according to Thelm, it is pro justice.
They were going out their ways to make sure.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
That everybody paid.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,
and let us know.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's sent a message.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,
it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever
you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave
the verdict, signals that again I'm still coming to terms
with how.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
The jury got to this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Thank god, this man was denied bail, Thank god.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Straight out to Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative
reporter on the case from the very beginning. Break down
the counts for me, said.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was
found not guilty on count one, Count two, three, four,
and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage
in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for
Casey and Jane on both of those charges. So the
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jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to
engage in prostitution charges and not guilty see on sex
trafficking for either Jane or Cassie.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer,
joining US out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debate, this
is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two
sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates
to Cassie Ventira. You know the woman that was beaten
in that video and dragged back to a freak off
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her the one that had to get plastic surgery on
her face after Didd he beat her up. That one,
that's a not guilty. Count three transportation to engage in
prostitution as it relates to Cassie. Guilty that carries a
maximum of ten years, and that comes, I believe from
the sex worker who came in Philip and described Sean
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Combs wearing a burka from the chin up and make
it from the chin down and had him have sex
with Cassie on video and directed them that was across
state lines. So gilty on that count four. Sex trafficking
by force, fraud, oft coercion as it relates to Jane victim.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Two not guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates
to Jane.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Guilty.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict.
So there was great jubilation at first when Diddy followers
heard split. They heard the words not guilty on count
one and went crazy, What do you think is going
to happen now, Philip?
Speaker 10 (21:37):
I think he's going to get three to five years
for the transportation for prostitution. He has no criminal record whatsoever.
He was exonerated at the RICO charge. He was exonerated
of the basically the sex trafficking charges, which really were
the top counts, and the jury really cut him a
brake on those charges. The max or transportation is ten years.
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But given the fact that he really has no criminal convictions, I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Telling you he really could ideally.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
Be a candidate four prof. When the court denied his
request for bail, he was really telegraphing to John Ditty
defense counsel and the world that he will be getting
prison time. There's no question, right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Another thing debate. Let's get real.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's really rare in federal and state court that once
you're convicted and a jury convicts you on a violent offence,
that you get an appeal bond, which means, okay, judge,
I know he just got convicted, but could you please
let him walk free now until we take this all
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the way up to the appellate court and get a
decision that rarely works.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Agree, disagree?
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Oh, I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
No higher court is going to find that this judge
abused his discretion by not letting him out or by
not setting a bond.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Robert Chrispin joining me an investigator at Crispin Special investigations
former homicide and former vice detective Crispin.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a bond and
appeal a bond.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now, remember once.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
He was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He
did not have a bond right for a reason. He's
got money, and he squats right over by Teeterborough, the
private airport near New York. You know, if the judge
had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he'd goes straight
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to Teeborough and take off, probably under an assumed name.
When you fly a private plane, you can give a
fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through
TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where
they will frisk you and look in all your bags.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's not like that. At a private plane.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You kind of just walk on onto your private plane
that he has, have a glass of champagne and go
bye bye us, Hello Paris.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's what happens, Crispin.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy I
was trying to find out where his G five to
fifty was because we know that it was out in
La a couple of days ago. I was trying to
see if they had already got those guys up and running,
and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was going
to probably get out and dip out back out to
LA or back down here to Miami to where his
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neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't
look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his
presence with these guys. So I was trying to find
out where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.
But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a
black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any
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of these victims that want to come forward or any
witness that wants to put their ass on the line,
raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a
jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really
bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Look what just happened to our reporter as she was
leaving the courthouse. They were attacking her. This guy was
just found guilty of federal times.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And I'd like to point out Rob Shooter. What they
were saying to Tisa Tills.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
They were saying, we're going to do worse to you
than we did to Cassie Shooter.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I mean, it's heart Breton did.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating
the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the
right thing at this moment is unrealistic.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This is who he is. The whole world has seen
who he.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Is, and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out
there who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can
pretend anymore that we don't know who did he is.
We know we've seen him on tape. That tape will
exist forever. We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts,
we've heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some
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people still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.
And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,
that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it.
He wants people out that, he wants the violence, He
wants people screaming. This to him is the party that
he always wanted to throw shape.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed
to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,
I've told you this before off air. I've seen a
million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen
it all. But there's always a moment in a trial
that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in
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this trial, there were two moments like that for me.
And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down
where she had already been beaten and she was backing
up and she tried to hold up She's right handed
was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand,
the right hand and holding up her left hand against
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Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And
the the other moment was when she was getting beaten
and she was down on the floor and Combs had
a glass, a liquor glass held up ready to throw
down at her face, and she said.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can't you see what's happening? And nobody did anything.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just like today in the courtroom. The jury didn't
do anything.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
People I know who have worked with him, who knew him,
many of us are on a text exchange and they're
heartbroken and a lot of people are really worried to
I don't want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy,
but this is a very dangerous man. This is a
man who allegedly try to fire bomb the car of
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somebody that was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This
is a dangerous, dangerous man. And what that jury has
just done has said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You
keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we will
support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we can't
just blame the jury here. We've got to blame the
person that did it. And that's did he did. He
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is responsible for all this. Everything else is a red herring.
He's the problem and he will continue now to.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Be a problem.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Doctor Cheryl Ert, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,
explain the effect this is going to have on not
only these victims that we heard on the stand, but
other victims everywhere.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power
control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have
a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,
threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults, that were maintaining the power
and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had
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enough evidence to be able to find that what was
happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.
Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you
an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent.
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And what I think people are failing to understand about
the way that the even the threat of violence shapes
behavior is that when someone does not believe that they
can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,
They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are
trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And
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this man certainly has no shortage of people who were
really really right no of him, and still are.
Speaker 12 (30:02):
And I think that these really normal autonomic nervous system
survival responses, fawning, appeasing, the freeze response, these are things
that need to be understood better by juris understood better
by the public, and even by survivors themselves.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You know, Rob Shooter, would you look one more time
at these celebrations going on outside the courthouse. Now we
have gotten this from armand Wiggins and Sta He posted
it earlier today and this is after the split verdict
was announced.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Take a look. Okay armand Wiggins on Instagram.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Thoughts, Nancy, I can tell you, as somebody who knows
puff those people standing outside that courts have never met him.
They've never been to his apartment, they've never been on
his prime it playing, they've never had a text or
an email or a.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Phone call with him. I have.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
He doesn't care about any of those people, all those
people who have took their time their energy to go
and support this guy. Let me talk to them directly.
He does not care about you. If he can treat
his girlfriend Cassie the way that we've seen him treat
it on video, this is not testimony, this is video.
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If he can treat someone who he's supposed to love
like that, how do you think he can treat you.
He doesn't care about you. You're wasting your energy on him,
and honestly, my friends, stop, he doesn't care. He's laughing
at these people outside that court, He's egging them on,
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but he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction
and so much feeling, and that tells me that you
know something, something you haven't told me. Why do you
believe this? What did you observe to make you say
what you just said.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a
person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense
of pride, who has no sense of decency.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
He's a really bad man, and.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
Through his career, through the media, through his products, he
has managed to come us all, to kid us all
into believing he is somebody else.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end.
In fact, I could even tell you the day that
I thought it was ending.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
It was today.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I'm absolutely punched to my gut, to my stomach to
know that Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix,
but justice does not feel as if it has been served.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Do you know that people aren't flooding the Corehouse, the
judges chamber with letters please don't let him out.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We're afraid.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others
in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard
earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to
Kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie and now
he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Sydney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I understand that during the hearing today, this is after
the split verdict, when everyone where I spray each other
with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and yelling
and celebrating. Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney for
the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going to
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be an appeal?
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Bond?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman
today during that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his
hand to speak after the judge denies his request for release.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks
the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote,
he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has
shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sidney,
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about that fake apology. I'm gonna queue that up and
play it for you in just a moment, said where
he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according
to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, he
continued the violence after the apology video. That's what she said,
no remorse and no regret at all.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
Yeah, this is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.
Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane Mister colmbs knew
he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple
instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,
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trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell
investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware
it was underway. Judge Supermonian also referenced Mark Agnaphillo's own
closing arguments. You full throwther feet told the jury that
there was violence, domestic violence in all of Colme's relationships.
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Y'all own that, and it may have helped on some
of these charges. It may have helped with the guilty
not guilty verdict, but it is definitely coming back to
bite him now, straight out to Lanshaw.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
This also happened in the proceedings.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
This is after tried to raise his hand to address
the judge directly during the arguments, and this is after
the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now comes
the appeal bond, where the judge is going to decide
will comes walk free tonight?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The judge looks over at the defense and he says,
as Sidney just reported.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Quote you full throatedly.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did.
You full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury
there was violence, and domestic violence is violence. You said
this was the case that did have violence. This is
the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question
of violence.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You conceded that in your closing argument.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Now throughout this comes this furiously passing notes back and
forth to Agniffilo, who was trying to stand there and
argue and read all of Shawn comes his notes.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Wait for it, land Shaw. Magnifilo responds, I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Just think we should trust him.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Lann, please let us all get off this dirty diddy,
degenerate merry garround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer?
How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter.
I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this
violence is violence? Trust him. We have seen everything to
the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How
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much more do we need? This goes back to this
is one of the worst days here at the Warriors
to have all of this video, to hear the way
they're talking about victims. Trust him, trust him. There's no
way anybody should trust him. I'm here in New York
City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've got these dirty Diddy
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disciples running around. People should be in fear of this guy.
But that brings me to how does he get away
with all of this for decades? What about the victims
that I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,
giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if
you don't want to be alone. What a slap in
the face today to all of these victim survivors of
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any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this
is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record.
Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what force for coersion. Nobody
understands coersion, And you know what, it is time we
change it up. But this is a travesty today. What
a slap in everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Sean comes goes to jail, tonight split verdict not guilty
on Rico, not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking,
guilty on two counts bringing people across state lines to
engage in an illegal as activity, that being prostitution as
it relates to Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not
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her real name a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me
PI but former beat coop, former special investigator with the
Federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice, and
on and on, Robert Crispin, have you ever been in
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a case where the bad guy walks?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Oh? My god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back
such a memory of a guy who was leaning over
the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag,
getting ready to drop it on the floor because the
Feds were knocking on the front door and I was
covering the back door, and he dropped it, and I
got it, and I id'ed him, and we went to
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the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me,
as the Federal dea Drug agent, watched him drop that bag.
And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable.
You know why we didn't pull his DNA off the bag,
but I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos
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of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a
mind of their own.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I know how that must have felt, Shane. And the
thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from
what the judge was saying when Shawn comes raised his
hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was arguing,
the judge acting like he didn't even see him. The
judge did note the wide divergence between what the state
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wants his sentencing and what the defense wants is sentencing,
But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just
erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie
beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what
the victim said on the stand.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't think it's going to be a light sentence.
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But of course I thought he was going to get
convicted today too, on all accounts. Be honest, take off
your defense hat. Where do you think this is going?
What will be the sentence?
Speaker 10 (41:06):
Three to five years because he has no record and Nancy,
make no mistake about it. The violation of the man
active beast as charge is not a violent crime. It
simply is not. It doesn't mean that it's not a crime,
it's just not.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
You know what, debate, it's a fact debate. It's based debate, prostitute.
Save it to stop.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Because I saw the bruises on Cassie, I saw the
fat lip, I saw the gash in her face, on
her head that needed plastic surgery.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Don't tell me what I didn't see debate At.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
This hour, Shawn Combe's defense attorneys arguing for sentencing.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Sooner.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Are they headed straight to the White House to get
a full on pardon. We don't know, but at this
hour Shawn Combs, at least for tonight, is behind bars,
and now we hear at crime stories. Salute American heroes,
(42:05):
Heroes that dare to come forward, heroes that against all odds,
take the stand and try, even in the face of defeat,
and to prosecutors, they go into the courtroom against all odds,
(42:26):
and they try, and when they win, they're mocked, and
when they lose, they're mocked, and they get up the
next day to fight again. To all of you American heroes,
thank you, and good night.
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