DIDDY VERDICT WATCH: It's All Down to 12 Jurors

After a month of testimony, and more than 30 witnesses, the jury will get instructions by a judge on Monday. The prosecution laid out a case that took nearly a month.  The defense took less than 30 minutes.  Now how long will it take the jurors to decide Sean Combs fate? Will he be found guilty or acquitted? How did we get here? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are in a verdict.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Watch here at Crime Stories as we wait for the
Shaw Andcrims jury to hand down a verdict.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let's go straight to the courthouse.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Standing by Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter, our host of Pop
Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. What
exactly happened?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Mark Agnifolo's closing argument had a much different style than
the government's. He spoke to the jury kind of like
he was talking to a friend. He really thanked them
for their time. And his first really big statement here
was this case or this trial is the tale of

(00:45):
two trials, told by the mouths of the witnesses, text messages,
videos and evidence.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
That's one trial. The second trial is different.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
The second trial is told by the mouths of the prosecutors.
And he also went on to say that this case
is so very badly exaggerated. What do you see from evidence?
You see personal use of drugs, You see personal nights
with girlfriends, nothing else. And the prosecutors have charged this

(01:16):
man with the most complicated charge on the.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Books here Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
So he again he goes into a lot of different
detail and he goes out of order a bit with
the charges. He went over the kidnapping predicate and then
skipped over to the arson predicate before he finished the
kidnapping predicate. So I think for some of us it
was a little tough to follow. But and really the

(01:44):
points he was trying to make on a lot of
these for the kidnapping, for example, he really tried to
disprove Capricorn Clark saying that Sean Colmes had a gun,
and he said, look, I'll give you five reasons why
he didn't have a gun, and the biggest, the biggest
re here is why would he have a gun? You know,
Capricorn Clark didn't need a gun to go with Shawn Colmes.

(02:08):
She said she had a crush on him. And he
also said the biggest reason was actually because kid Cutty
on the stand testified that when Capricorn called him, she
never said that there was a gun, and that would
be really important.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
He also brought up the fact that she told.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Lauren London on the phone she wanted to escape the car,
but she was scared of mountain lions.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Not the gun, but mountain lions.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
He also went pretty pretty hard on Cassie. He admitted
the domestic violence he said, yes, that is awful and
this was a regrettable action. I'm paraphrasing, but he also said,
you know, if you're looking at this case, who's the
winner here? Cassie's sitting on thirty million dollars and Sean
Colmes is in jail. He also said that Cassie really

(02:55):
was Sean Colmes's match and that she knew what she
was doing at certain times when she was dating kid Cutty.
At the same time, he said, you know, Cassie, kid
Cutty said that Cassie played us both and that's that now.
He also he also talked about the serteam search and
he was extremely sarcastic in this and he said, ooh,

(03:17):
look at all the baby oil they seized. The world
is a better place, the streets are safer because of
all of this astroblide, and the jury seemed to be
laughing a bit and smiling here. What else, Oh, he
talked about how the domestic violence that Cassie experienced at
the Intercontinental Hotel. He actually said that you know this,

(03:38):
this is a misdemeanor here and the government actually had
an objection to this during the break and said, yeah,
they misstated the law and ag Nicholo said, look, all
I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Say here is that this is a state charge. Is
this is not federal.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Additionally, during the break, Maureen Comi did also raise two
other issues she had besides misstating the law. She she
cited that there was a time during the kidnapping discussion
that Mark Agniffolo looked at the jury and said, why
would the government, why would they why would they charge
him with this? Why would they do this? Well, Comey said,

(04:14):
he's not charged with kidnapping. This is a predicate act,
onder Rico, and he misstated that. And also she kind
of said, you know, it's it's not the jury's job
to surmise over what he was charged with. It's their
job to decide whether or not that he's guilty. Mark
Agniffolo said, you know, I think it's fair to that
I am sarcastic, you know, I will tie everything together.

(04:37):
But initially the judge decided that he would give these
instructions right when the jury returned, although Alexander Shapiros argued
that these instructions for the jury to disregard Mark Agnifolo
asking them why the prosecutors charged Sean Colmes with kidnapping.
They asked that these instructions should be given after he's finished.

(04:59):
How the judge disagreed, worrying Comby disagreed, and he gave
them immediately when the jury returned. He said, I will
give the charging instructions later. You follow what I say.
You know this is clearly you shouldn't be profit or basically,
the defense doesn't have the right to ask you why
you think someone was charged. Again, he didn't say that,

(05:19):
I am paraphrasing, but it was.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was a moment.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
It did feel like he was getting scolded.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
The trial that has taken weeks culminates with closing arguments.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Let's just revisit what happened.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
The raids by the Feds by HSI Homeland Security investigators.
Much of the PC probable cause was gleaned from multiple
lawsuits filed against Combs.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Now that's not just from what we're learning.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Combs's own lawyer spoke out in a very unfortunate statement
for Combs, you never reveal your thinking prior to a trial,
but the lawyer did. What are they saying that all
these victims are lying? I mean, think about it. No
one wants to see the demise of a superstar, but

(06:16):
our superstars to be held above the law, because I
say no, this is what we know happened.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Listen to Sidney Summer crime Online.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Large teams of law enforcement, led by Homeland Security investigators
rated three homes belonging to Sean Diddy Combs in Los
Angeles and Miami as part of a sex trafficking investigation
stemming from accusations leveled against Combs in five separate lawsuits
brought against him. The latest suit, filed in February by
music producer Rodney Lilrod Jones, details frequent drug use, of shooting,

(06:49):
and several accounts of sex assault while working with Combs
on the Love album.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But there's more, and I can tell you this much.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
When the fans roll up and armored vehicles wearing kevlar,
that's not good for you.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's not good at all. We're hearing a lot of
whining this morning by.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
The defense about, oh, they messed up the inside of
his house.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Boohoo. Listen to Dave Matt Crime Online.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
In the seventy three page document, Jones claims that Combs
forced him to solicit sex workers and perform sex acts
with them as Combs looked on. Jones also alleges the
rapper through parties he called freak offs, during which underage
girls and sex workers were given lace drinks and assaulted.
Comb's son Justin. Producer Stevie Jay, and associate Brendan Paul

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allegedly supplied the women in drugs for the parties. The
suit goes on to say that Comb's access to major celebrities, athletes,
and even British royals such as Prince Harry gave him
and his followers legitimacy.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
With me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now, but for a straight out.
To Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com,
cal thank you for being with us. Tell me what
happened because we saw simultaneous raids. A lot has been
made of that. Hold on, just a second kill one.
Let me go to Nima Romani joining US high profile

(08:09):
lawyer and more importantly, former federal prosecutor, a president of
the West Coast Trial Lawyers Association and author of Harvard
to hashtag Nima, thank you for being with us. A
lot has been made and a lot of whining and
crying because there were multiple raids that went.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Down simultaneously, Boo who.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
The reason that happens is so when you get raised
in LA, you can't call your peeps in Miami. Go quick, quick, quick,
hide one, two, three and four, destroy five, six, seven,
and eight, and ps run for the hills as if
you had seen a monster. That's why it's got to
be very carefully orchestrated and timed, very organized to go

(08:56):
down at the same time for that very reason.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
Ni, Nancy, that's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
And the raid in Los Angeles took place about a
mile from where I'm sitting right now. I live close
to Ditty's home. And you know, I also know Aaron Dyer.
I used to work with him. I respect him, but
I think he's making that argument for the court of
public opinion more than the courtroom.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
And you're right, there's three reasons why federal agents go
in and they go aggressively. One, there's always a threat
of violence.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And did he.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Reportedly has a lot of weapons.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
Agents need to make sure that no one flees the jurisdiction,
evidence isn't destroyed. That's why the raids are executed simultaneously.
When they are individuals are removed from the home, they're cough,
they're detained. No one was arrested, but Diddy was treated
just like any other criminal defendant or target of an
investigation when these search warrants are executed.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Guys, what do you expect the HSI Homeland Security investigators
to be the minute made and clean up after a search.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, that's not happening, guys.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's amazing what people will do to hide contraband or evidence.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
What evidence am I talking about.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm talking about videos, potential videos of underage girls and
boys in the middlesex acts now number one. An underaged
child some jurisdictions under eighteen, some under sixteen, some under fifteen,
cannot consent to sex activity. So even if they appear

(10:32):
to be willing in a video, does anybody remember r Kelly,
for Pete's sake, where he urinated on a teen girl.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, that's not consensual. I don't care what she said
at the time.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Videos that could easily be hidden even if they are
in physical form.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
For all I know, they're just on a computer.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's why every computer, every laptop, every phone, every iPad,
everything has to be seized. Seawancom's listed by the FEDS.
In a luxe hotel in the dark of night now
in federal custody. I mean to see Grace. This is
Prime Stories. Thank you for being with us today.

Speaker 9 (11:10):
I'm announcing the unsealing of a three count indictment charging
Shawn Combs with racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, interstate transportation for prostitution.
The indictment alleges that between at least two thousand and
eight and the present Comb's abuse threatened and coerce victims
to fulfill his sexual desires, protect his reputation, and conceal

(11:34):
his conduct. As a legend of the indictment, to carry
out this conduct, Shawn Combs led and participated in a
racketeering conspiracy that used the business empire he controlled to
carry out criminal activity including sex trafficking, force labor, kidnapping, arson, bribery,

(11:54):
and the obstruction of justice.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And we have just gotten our hands on the federal indictment.
But first let's talk about what went down in the
dark of night. Sean Puffy Comb's seen out on the
street in New York just thirty minutes before Fed's break
into his luxury suite at the Park Hyatt Hotel on
fifty seventh Street and arrest Combs. And proceed to shred

(12:20):
that hotel room looking for evidence. Joining me right now
at the hotel just outside the Park Hyatt is crimeonline
dot Com investigative reporter Angelica Martinez. Angelica, thank you for
being with us. Tell me what happened right there?

Speaker 10 (12:37):
Yes, Nancy, we are currently outside the high end hotel
in the Park Hyatt Hotel where Sean Puffy Combs was arrested.
He was arrested following a indictment that was returned by
a grand jury.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Guys joining us in Jelica Martinez at the Park Hyatt.
We understand that Fed's pursue it to warrant went into Combs'
room right behind you, up on one of the penthouse
levels and arrested Comes last night. He had no idea
it was about to happen. We've also heard reports the
arrest was to go down at least forty eight seventy

(13:11):
two hours later, but something triggered the FEDS to make
the arrest. Comes actually spotted out on the street and
videoed bsing with fans and friends just before, literally minutes.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Before the FEDS arrested him.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I know they were poised outside the Park Hyatt Hotel
where you're standing right now, Angelica, waiting for him to
come back in with eyes on Sean Puffy comes the
entire evening, Angelica.

Speaker 10 (13:39):
Yes, So, Apparently negotiations for Shaw combs surrender had been
in the talk for a while, and like you said, Nancy,
something triggered this arrest. Something happened that caused them to
move it from allegedly later in this week. He was
allegedly arrested right in the lobby, and he was not
expecting according to some.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Sources, Angelica, I think I know what may have prompted
the early arrest.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know, you're about.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Twenty thirty minutes from Teterborough private airstrip.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Combs has money. You can get on a private.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Plane without a passport, now where you can land without
one as a whole another can of worms. But if
they got win that he was leaving with all of
his money and access to private planes, that's the time
you make the arrest ahead of time. Joining me there
at the Park Hyatt Hotel in the heart of Manhattan, Angelica, Martinez,

(14:34):
let's open it up to the panel. And the last
few moments we caught the lawyer, the defense attorney, Agna Fellow,
and he states his client is going to be released.
Do you really believe that Sean Puffy Combs is going
to get out on bond? Straight out to high profile
lawyer Nima Romani, former federal prosecutor, President West Coast Trial

(14:59):
Lawyers and author of Harvard to Hashtag. He is an
expert in federal law. Nima, thank you for being with us.
Quick question regarding bond. Now we know that Combs was
held overnight and he is with the Feds right now.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know his lawyer is.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Going to make a big play for him to get
out on bond and make a big show, probably walking
along Park Avenue maybe Fifth Avenue, wearing his fur coat
as if he has a worry in the world. Why
do I say that, because when you don't know a horse, Nima,
look at his track record that has been his INMO

(15:36):
since the get go. Hey you're raiding my house, No problem.
I'm out surfing watersports with my family, living it up
with some champagne.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, that's him.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's his momo to act like nothing is wrong and
give the illusion of complete innocence and care free crime stories.
With Nancy Grace, we are in a verdict. Watch for

(16:10):
the show andcomers jury to hand down a verdict. Let's
just revisit what happened, pe Daddy.

Speaker 11 (16:19):
We saw the video of you brutally beating and kicking
and dragging Cassie, and now you apologize.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Now, apology not accepted. I'll see you in court.

Speaker 12 (16:39):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life. Sometimes you gotta do that. I was, I mean,
I had rock bottom, but I made no excuses. My
behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full responsibility

(17:02):
for my ashes in that video.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
I'm so sorry, but.

Speaker 12 (17:11):
I'm committed to be a better managent every day. I'm
not asking for forgiveness.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
I'm truly sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't know about you, but he looks like he's
reading to me all that I'm sorry, technical legal term
b S.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry he got caught.
Have you seen the video? Now?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
How is it at that time no charges were filed
and you know hotel security saw the whole thing. Do
you believe his apology? Is it not a day late
and a dollar short? Well, apparently other people agree with me.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
According to Ernest Owens, Sean Ditty Combs is only apologizing
because he got caught. Owens calls Comb's apology another pathetic move,
pointing out that Combs does not acknowledge Cassie Ventura by
name or directly apologize to her. Combs has previously denied
Ventura's allegations repeatedly, but this latest cought in the act
video has changed his tune. Owen says it is hard

(18:22):
to take anything Diddy says seriously following several prior written
attacks on his accusers.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Now what written attacks are we talking about? I got
to tell you something.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
There are a lot of criminal defense attorneys out there.
This one will win your case, Ben Broffman. That's where
you go when there's nowhere to go, Ben Broffman. He's
representing Sean Comb's aka Ditty.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Cassie Ventura's lawsuit against Ditty includes a very specific event
from March of twenty sixteen, where Ventura alleges that Ditty
became extremely intoxicated and punch Ventura in the face, giving
her a black eye. Did He's lawyer, Ben Braffman tells
people in a statement that comes vehemently denies these offensive
and outrageous allegations and alleges that Ventura is filing the

(19:12):
lawsuit after first demanding thirty million dollars where she would
write a book about their relationship. Brafman says Ventura is
seeking a payday.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now, remember the lawyer is the mouthpiece for the defendant.
The lawyer doesn't say anything that the defendant doesn't want said.
So when you hear Brafman saying, oh, Cassie Ventira, is
she just wants money? Nothing happened to her? This is bs.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, We've seen the video and all of his denying
and claiming, and remember this is important.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
That's what he says about all the women that are
claiming he abused them. They all want a payday.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't believe that anymore. With me an all star
panel to makes sense of what we know right now.
But for straight out to Keela Brantley, investigative reporter dailymail
dot com on the case from the beginning. You know,
I think this is just the beginning, Kila, But bring
me up to date as of right now.

Speaker 13 (20:15):
Absolutely, Nancy, And as you said, Ditty's only apologizing right
now because he got caught. Everyone sees right through that apology,
including Cassie Ventura, who released a statement via her lawyer
who called Ditty's apology pathetic. Essentially, he's saying that he's
only our Cassie is saying that he's only compelled to
speak out now because of this damning evidence. And as

(20:38):
you very well may know that abusers, it's not just
an isolated incident. We can assume that this has happened before.
Cassie did speak about this exact incident back in her
lawsuit from last fall. She said that there was an
incident at a hotel where he came into the hallway
abused her, and that Diddy allegedly paid fifty thousan dollars

(21:00):
to the hotel to get the video and for it
to never be released. Obviously, now we know CNN has
now had that video released it to the world, which
now compelled Diddy to apologize.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Keala Brantley, I think you're exactly correct.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Listen, Cassie Ventura escaped Shawn Combs by getting on the
elevator at the Intercontinental Hotel, leaving the hotel and going
to her own apartment. At her residence, she fears Combs
will be even angrier at her for running away, so
Ventura returns to the hotel intent on apologizing to Combs.
As she returns, hotel security staff urged her to get
back in the cab and go home. They've seen the
security footage of Comb's beating Ventura and throwing glass vases

(21:38):
at her in the hotel hallway. In her lawsuit against Combs,
she claims he pays the hotel fifty thousand dollars for
footage of the hallway assault, again.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Joining me an all star panel.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
In addition to Kialab Brantley from dailymail dot com straight
out to Sam d'ordulian, sex assault lawyer and former LA
County six crimes felony prosecutor, founder of the Dordullion Law Group, Sam,
thank you for being with us. You know, before the
video was pervasive. No matter where you go, there's a

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camera on you. Very Typically the defense would say you
can't prove that. Now we have a video. So the
fallback is, let's say the video was doctored, the video
was tampered with, or I'm sorry, I'm a different man now.
I'm praying for forgiveness. I'm praying to be a better man.

(22:29):
I got counseling.

Speaker 14 (22:30):
Really, you know what's disgusting, Nancy, is that's what you
hear all the time is that I'm sorry. But why
did he have to go and attack the victim in
this particular case. If he truly took responsibility for what
he did, if he truly was disgusted as he claimed
in his video his supposed apology, then why did he

(22:51):
call her a liar to in the public. Why did
he say she's just looking for a payday? And only
when he got caught now all of a sudden, he's sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Joining me out of Florida.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
A high profile private investigator, former Federal Task Force, US
Department of Justice, also with the DEA, joining me. Robert
Crispin from Crispin Special Investigations. Robert, I'm sure you having
dealt with this same scenario many many times as a
PI and with the FEDS.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
People pay off hotel staff all the time.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And right now the word we're getting from inside the
Diddy camp is that they are fast and furious trying
to make sure other video surveillance will not emerge.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
What about it, Crispin? How easy is that to do?

Speaker 15 (23:43):
Well?

Speaker 16 (23:43):
You know, listen, money talks, and this is probably not
the first time it's happened in his camp. And if
you go back to yours. The allegations of they paid
fifty thousand dollars for the hotel security to get that
video out there in La So, I wouldn't doubt that
their fast and fury is going after every single one
of these allegations. We're seeing one of these victims that
they know of their back covering their tracks. It's an

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old trick. It's money talks, and people like money. So
there's a lot of people that will do some bad
things to cover some bad things.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Sadly enough, so you think it's relatively easy to pay
off hotel security or really any security get rid of surveillance.
It gets quote taped over, it gets lost, nobody can
find it. It happens over and over and over again.

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But the kicker is they are not at a hotel
security office. They are not under the same duty as
officers of the court.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's their private video.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
They want to tape over it, they can unless somehow they.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Realize they're hiding evidence.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And why would they tape over it if they didn't
know they were doing it for a nefarious reason?

Speaker 16 (24:59):
Crispin, it's tampering with evidence. Cart Launch, it's tampering with evidence.
And anybody who gets involved in this case moving forward,
who already has knowledge? I mean, how do you not
have knowledge of this case? And you find a prosecutor
or law enforcement or an agent who can prove through
text messages or undercover surveillances or anything, that you paid
somebody off to get a video, you're catching an obstruction

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charge and you're doing a and you're also catching a
tampering with evidence charge. Now, back in twenty sixteen when
they got that video, none of this probably got reported
yet that's why they work very fast. And they threw
fifty thousand dollars at these people to get that video,
thinking it's not out there, thinking that nobody count their
own copy and everybody keeps a copy of their own videos.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
Trust me to you KILB.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com. Fifty grand
that's like ten dollars to me. It's like nothing to Combs.
I mean, what is his net worth?

Speaker 13 (25:55):
Well, as Cassie said in the lawsuit, that the example
of fifty thousand dollars was absolutely nothing to him, and
it just shows his power and his influence. Now reportedly
did he's a billionaire and he has so many different
lines he has Sean John, he has Revolt, and not
only is he a music mogul, he's a fashion mogul

(26:16):
and has been a legend in this industry. So his
net worth is estimated around a billion dollars. Now, with
all these legal blows, who knows how much it's going
to go down to.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
Holmes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
called freak off.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Sean Puffy comes spending the night behind bars and whining
incessantly through his lawyers. We are analyzing evidence that has
come out in court. You know what, after the judge
heard this, he had a snowballs chance and h double
l of getting bond.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean you gotta know this.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
All the judges they all have lunch together in a
big room sometimes the law library. There are court clerks
are in there. They see each other day in day out.
How is this judge gonna look at the other judges
in the eye and go, yeah, I gave Diddy a bond.
That was me in there because I don't have a spine. Now,
listen to this, This is what I learned in court. Now,

(27:16):
we've all seen the Cassie Ventira video of her running
away from Sean Combs in public in the hotel corridor.
He comes out practically button naked, wearing nothing but a towel.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
He doesn't care. That doesn't bother him, So.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Entitled chases her down and beats the h el out
of her, kicking her, kicking her, kicking or dragging her.
Listen to this we have gotten a hold of through
prosecutors texts that he immediately sends her Listen to this

(27:57):
to Cassie, call me here. I got six kids, yo,
please call I'm surrounded. You're gonna abandon me all alone.
You're gonna abandon me all alone. This as we are
learning that Cassie Ventura was running from a freak off. Yeah,

(28:20):
there was a sex worker in the room with Diddy,
and I guarantee you he was trying to film it,
the sex worker forcing Cassie to have sex. The defendant,
according to prosecutor Emily Johnson, knew he had done something
that could elicit police response.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, that's a nice way of saying he getting busted. Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So she texts back, saying she still had horrible bruising
from the assault. Says, I'm not a rag doll. Now
I want to point out that they are. Now. The
defense attorney desperate is now saying Cassie Ventura was running away.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Because she was jealous.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
She was jealous because she looked at Combs's phone and
saw he texted another woman. Right, She's so jealous she
runs out barefoot, trying to get away from him and
the sex worker that was still in the room.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Let's just start with that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Okay, what judge, and he's right his or her right
mind can go sit down to his tune of his
sandwich and eat lunch with the other judges looking at
him going, yeah, we know what you did.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
You let this a hole at all bond listen to this.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Sean Combs is back inside the walls of Metropolitan Detention
Center after US District Judge Andrew Carter Junior denied Comb's
appeal of his Raman may Judge Robin F. Tronowski initially
denied the rapper's bail Tuesday, saying that Combs was a
danger quote, I don't know that you can trust yourself
not to harm people. The defense proposed that Combs live
at home home alone in Florida, monitored by a twenty

(30:02):
four to seven security team. Combs offered to give up
any access to his cell phone or Internet. In the end,
Judge Carter Junior agreed with Judge Tarnowsky that quote, there
is no condition or combination of conditions to ensure he
will not obstruct justice or tamper with witnesses.

Speaker 17 (30:18):
Music mogul and rap star Sean Diddy Combs hit with
lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, but attorneys claim no matter
how many suits are filed, Combs is innocent, innocent.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Okay, He's getting paid plenty of money to say that,
but the defense attorney is completely deluded. He is even
claiming that Combs, Shawn Combs Diddy has had to go
into therapy because of the allegations made against him. Shawn

(30:57):
Comes is now the victim.

Speaker 18 (31:00):
For bail appeal hearing Agnifilo submits an amended bail package,
Combs agrees to have no communication with women outside of
family members and the mothers of his children. To have
no contact with known grand jury witnesses referring to victim
Ie Cassandra Ventura, to use a private intelligence agency to
monitor him twenty four to seven Stage intelligence will ensure

(31:21):
he has no cell phone or internet access, administer weekly
drug tests and turn over a daily Visitor's log.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Are they crazy with me? Is IRV Brandt say? Former
Senior Inspector US Marshall Service.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Those are the guys that go all around the.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
World to bring back felons for trial or that have absconded.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Author of a whole.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Series of books about Solo, Last One, Forever Solo, Not
of the Dragon. Hey, IRV, really, they're going to have
the same security guards protect Diddy that would take these
women to high out so they could wait till their
bruises healed before they went into public.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
The same ones that got.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Sex workers from all over the world the country to
come in and rate women that had been drugged on video.
That those guys, and they're also going to perform weekly
urine tests.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You want to tell me they can't go take a
leak in a cup and put the name Sean Combs
on it.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Really, are they insane? Have you ever heard anything like
this bond package?

Speaker 7 (32:26):
I have not, Nancy.

Speaker 19 (32:27):
And it's not surprising that the defense was doing everything
they could to convince the judge because the burden shifted
from the prosecution to the defense because of the nature
of the charges and how much time that he was facing.
So It's obvious that the defense was just coming up

(32:48):
with anything that they could think of, any sorts of
conditions that might convince the judge to release them on bond,
and it just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace verdict watch, let's just revisit
the trial. What happened Diddy's ten million dollars defense starts
this as we learn the jury is in fear of
sitting on the Diddy trial.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.

Speaker 18 (33:30):
Cassie Ventura is set to take the stand, with prosecutors
expected to highlight a twenty sixteen hotel assault caught on video.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
This trial of Sean Comes started early in a Manhattan courtroom.
A joining man all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. Straight out to Lauren Conlin,
joining US co host Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you
for being with us. Tell me about what happened first?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Today, pord began with Didty asking the judge for more
water or the judge said something like do you have
enough water?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
And he said, could I have some Warrior on her?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Diddy appeared to be wearing a light cream colored sweater,
which I thought was a great choice for a defendant.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
He had his glasses on.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
He was looking through some paperwork at the beginning of
the morning, and he would turn around to smile at
his mom and wave to his family who were in
the front row. He gave a thumbs up at one point.
I actually saw Janis Colmbs, his mother, in the lobby.
She was wearing an all black suit a black purse,
and she looked like she was going to a funeral.

(34:38):
To be honest, I also want to point out that
when the jury walked in, Diddy did not take his
eyes off of them.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
He watched their every move.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
This, as we are learning, the jury is actually in fear.
In fact, the judge was afraid to impanel a jury
on Friday, thinking they would back out with cold fate
over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Listen.

Speaker 20 (34:58):
The original plan was for selection to be completed on Friday,
but Diddy's lawyers asked for a delay, raising concerns more
jurors would get cold feet. Between Friday and Monday, the
court received an email from one potential juror asking to
be left off the panel for issues of personal well being.
According to the Combs team, prosecutors strongly opposed the delay.

(35:21):
Judge on runs Subramanian agreed with the defense.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay to Eric fattis veteran trial lawyer joining me out
of the Denver, Colorado jurisdiction partner Varner Fattus elite legal
former prosecutor. That's not good when the jury is afraid
to be in the box, the jury box.

Speaker 21 (35:40):
Yeah, yikes. I mean, this is a high profile case.
There is a ton at stake, and Nancy, I'm Cyril
would call a judge actually declined to give Diddy bond
because there were concerns that he was engaged in witness
tampering or witness intimidation. Those same concerns could translate to
this jury and it could cause them to get old
feed or would otherwise be considering that when they're deciding

(36:02):
the case which savesen Broke.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
It wouldn't be the first time that a jury had
been harassed, put in fear, or tampered with.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Listen.

Speaker 20 (36:11):
John Gotti earned the nickname Teflon Dawn after he was
acquitted in multiple trials, likely due to jury tampering and
witness intimidation. This seems to be confirmed when a juror
who helped to quit Gody in a racketeering case, was
convicted of taking a bribe. Jimmy Hoffel was also charged
with unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly conspiring with six co conspirators

(36:34):
to influence members of a jury. He was accused of
offering ten thousand dollars to the families of two jurors
for an acquittal vote, and offering to get the police
husband of another juror a promotion. Clarence Darrow was in
the company of his chief investigator when the two men
were arrested for bribery. Darrow was defending brothers on bombing charges.

(36:54):
Police say Darrow's investigator passed four thousand dollars to a
prospective jury member for a not guilty vote.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You would have to be living under a.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Rock in a cave on the other side of the
world not to know that. There are allegations that Sean
Combs ordered a hit our murder on Tupac Shaker Listen
Dwayne Keethy.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
D Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on beet and
in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and
Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up. When
Davis offers to carry out the hits. Combs agrees to
pay him one million dollars. Davis Anderson, Terrence Brown, and
DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shakur is performing,

(37:38):
but Tupac's a no show. Driving down the strip, they
spot Night and Tupac stopped in traffic. Brown flips a
U turn in their white Cadillac. Davis passes Anderson the gun,
and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
We wiped you, oh quick?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
Who brought up the amount of one million dollars?

Speaker 21 (37:59):
Ed Puffy Biggie or involved in any of these conversations?

Speaker 15 (38:03):
You know?

Speaker 7 (38:04):
As always, just.

Speaker 21 (38:07):
This is all you do.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
It straight out to Robert Crispin, joining US private investigator,
former Federal Task Force officer US d o J also
with Deea now at Crispin Special Investigations. Crispin, thank you
for being with us your state. Out in front of
Ditty's home there in Florida where it all started with

(38:30):
the bust. I want to hear how the neighbors are
taking today. But more important, you think if this jury
has seen the Cassie video and they all have an
opinion on it, you think they don't know about the
hit on Tupac's you caur.

Speaker 16 (38:45):
Yeah, that's going to kind of tie it in, isn't
it And they're going to wonder, like, boy, that's kind
of interesting. But you know, Nancy, I'm coming to you
live out in front of Diddy's house here in Star
Island in Miami Beach, and if today is any indication
of what's going on in Diddy's world as his trial starts,

(39:05):
it's a dark, rainy day. The neighbors are really happy
that there's no more attention, there's no more late parties,
three four day benders. The drugs in that white gay
behind me. That's where the Feds went in with their
shirt shard. That's where the drugs came out. That's where
the electronic evidence came out. That's where everything started to

(39:28):
unfold for Diddy before he got indicted.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I just find it very difficult to believe that the
jury has seen the Cassie video already, which they're going
to see a trial anyway, that they don't know about
the hit on Tupac Shakur, Which gets to my point,
Crispin that GURRRS one jurrar backed out and said he
was afraid for his own and his family's safety, got

(39:53):
cold feet and wanted it off the panel.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And that's the one that would speak out.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Have you ever had a case where jurors or witnesses
were actually afraid?

Speaker 16 (40:03):
Oh? Absolutely, And that's a very real fear because if
he's fould guilty, revenge is best served on a cold plate,
and these people are going to be looking over their
shoulder all the time. In drug cases in Miami, same thing.
You want to sit there and look a drug lord
in the eye and convict him when you have a wife, kids.

(40:26):
These are everyday people that get jury subpoenas and end
up sitting on these high profile cases, and there's a
lot at stake when you hit either that guilty or
that not guilty box on that jury form. That's an issue,
and I would be afraid.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
To Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us a high profile PSYCHOANALYSTID
of the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can
sing her currently on peacock and find her at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I think that the
jury wants to do the right thing. I think in
their heart of hearts they want to serve on the jury.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yes, they want to.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Be impartial, but the reality is, when you have a
family at home, children, right, it's not just about you
any more. I've had jurrrs on gang relatedy cases, gang
cases say right up front, I've heard about the case.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I can't sit on this jury.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I've got children, they're very they were in inner city Atlanta,
Fulton County. I don't know if they're being upfront in
the ditty trial, but I do know that one juror
set I want off the panel because I'm afraid.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I mean, I think they want to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
But when push comes to shove and it's going home
to their children and their family, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
What do you think? This is real?

Speaker 21 (41:44):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Very often, Bethany, you hear me say that's bs. That's
just in the movies, that's in a book. You know,
that's on a TV series, that doesn't happen in real life.
This actually happens. I know for a fact, Nancy, this
is no fairy tale, This is no novel. This is
a real life story. And yeah, U drawers want to
do their civic duty. I think we all do.

Speaker 22 (42:03):
But as I tell my patients of my practice, Your
duty is always to your family first, above all your
spouse and your children. Your job is to keep your
family safe. If you abdicate that role, who is going
to be there for them? And you know, not only
are the jurors at risk, the judge as at risk.

(42:24):
You and I have covered many cases where judges and
their families have been targeted. And then what about when
the case is over, These jurors forever will be known
as the people who either vindicated or convicted p. Ditty
And there are people on both sides that will love
and more importantly hate them. And finally, Nancy, what about

(42:47):
all those celebrities joining us?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
In additional Lauren Colin at the courthouse, Sidney Sunmer joining us.
Crime stories, investigative report are also on the case. Sidney,
I understand that first thing this morning comes in demands
a whole nother picture of water. I wonder why he's
got dry mouth. But that said, his mother, his mother,
Jani's Combs also came into the courtroom. In the past,

(43:13):
she's been very flamboyant in her dress, but she's taking
a page out of Shawn Combs's playbook, and it dressed
like she's going to a funeral, Sydney.

Speaker 15 (43:22):
That's right, Nancy dressed all in black, and Colme's mom
isn't the only family member in attendance today. Six of
his children are also in the courtroom and they're dressed
very similarly. All of them walked in in sunglasses and
all of their clothing is black and white.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
They all had on sunglasses in the courtroom.

Speaker 15 (43:42):
At least since they were walking in.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I want to go back to the fact that Shawn Combs,
that we know of, is laying at ten million dollars
for his defense. But your ours in fear back to
Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative report.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
This is a big deal, Sydney Sumner.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
We know that one gerar, as I said earlier, asked
the judge begged the judge to be taken off the
jury panel because he's got a family.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
And got quote cold feet.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
But I know the defense struck a gerr that said
they had seen the Cassie video and that comes looked
angry and hostile.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
They struck that gurrr.

Speaker 15 (44:22):
Yes, that juror is gone. They commented on that video
said Combs looks angry and hostile. But the government has
struck a candidate who said he heard about the Comb's
case on Joe Rogan's podcast. So we've already had a
tit for tat.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
As if the jury didn't know about the Tupac Shakur hit,
the alleged hit where multiple witnesses say Comes ordered a
million dollar hit for Tupac Shakur's.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Head and he got it.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
What about the fact that these jars have seen They've
already seen the Cassie Ventura beat down video.

Speaker 23 (44:59):
Listen, the potential jurors are questioned about their ability to
maintain impartiality, an obstacle quickly rears its head the video
of Combs attacking Cassie. Numerous potential jurors have seen the
video and formed opinions on it. Of those who have
watched it, only a few were able to say they
did not think it would affect their impartiality.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
The Cassie beat down a video from our friends at CNN.
We expect that particular version not to be introduced at trial.
Why because the defense said it had been sped up
and it wasn't in its original pristine form. Well be
careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely
get it now. The jury will probably see the entire

(45:39):
version in its entirety and in regular motion, right at
regular speed. They'll probably wish they had kept the sped
up CNN version.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
You know, Robert Crispin joining.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Us there at Shawn Combs's mansion in Florida. So they
know about the Tupac Shakur hit, a million dollar hit.
They know about the Cassie beat down video. They've seen it.
We've got one juror begging off the panel because he
got cold feet.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
The jury is afraid.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They don't care that Shawn comes is spending ten million
dollars on a defense, a slick defense.

Speaker 16 (46:19):
Yeah. Well, I think what the jury's starting to think
as Wow, these are some violent people. What have I
gotten myself into? Like I said before, that video was
a gift to the prosecution. But what that video does
do it gives a look inside Viddi's real world when
he thinks nobody's watching, nobody's around and it's just him

(46:40):
and his victim, or him and an ex girlfriend, or
him who doesn't agree with him.

Speaker 18 (46:47):
Explosive surveillance footage allegedly showing Combe's assaulting Ventura has been
admitted into evidence.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
The jury was finalized in the Shawanhomb's federal indictment trial
at nine forty five a m. Straight out to Lauren
Colin standing by at the courthouse, Lauren, what happened?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
The opening statements for the prosecution said that we are
going to hear from Cassie this week along with another
witness named Jane. They said, we're going to hear or
we're going to see videos of these freak offs, and
it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
The prosecution also said things that I had never heard before.

(47:28):
They said things like Cassie was forced to allow an
escort to urinate in her mouth at one point, and
this was per the instructions of Sean Colmes. The other witness, Jane,
is going to testify that she and Diddy got into
an altercation where he allegedly stomped on her face and

(47:52):
that she would run into every single room, lock the door.
He would chase after her and kick the door down,
and it was It was very.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder director Lenz Warriors, committed
to ending sexual exploitation of girls and women. What it
sounds like he's going to college, He's wearing reading glasses,
have you ever seen Sean Comes wearing reading glasses? Oh okay,

(48:22):
that's fake. And the sweater, the white shirt, the khaki pants.
What is he a freshman at Harvard Lynshaw. Well, he's
pretending to be one dirty diddy. Listen, none of us
are fooled anymore, none of us. We can all see
through this. He's wearing reading glasses. I'm sure it's plastic
in the frames or clear glass. Nobody, we're New Yorkers.

Speaker 24 (48:45):
This is a New York jury. We do not get fooled,
especially about this case. He has been for decades now,
since the early nineties on the lips. I'm telling you
of New Yorkers. So many people here know about him
or ready. I don't know what he thinks he's doing.
None of this is going to help him. Let us
keep the focus on victim survivors, and not only the

(49:07):
alleged ones of this case, but of all victims and
survivors of all of this exploitation, because Nancy, they are
seeking some kind of justice from this case. They want
some answers. They want somebody powerful money who has been
flaunting this in everybody's face, this exploitation. They want somebody
held accountable and I say, dirty Diddy going down This

(49:28):
is the case.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
To Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor joining us
out of Colorado, Eric, I mean, what's next a wheelchair
and a neck grace.

Speaker 21 (49:38):
You can't go in there wearing a bejeweled cape or something, right,
this is court And another take on.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
It is that.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
The fattest.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, we would never want him to reveal his true self.
I mean, have you seen the Met Gallip pictures. That's
the real Seawn comes right there with the cave going
down the steps there you get. Yeah, so you just
said fast us he can't go in wearing a cape,
Well why not, because that's what he normally wears. So

(50:08):
you're going along with the eye chicking the mind with
him dressed up like a Harvard freshman.

Speaker 21 (50:14):
You know, I'm not sure that's what's going on here. Look,
he doesn't have the Stylus hun retainer anymore, that's obvious.
But on top of that, maybe this is Diddy's true self. Currently,
you know, he is no longer this high profile, powerful
logul with all these resources. He is incarcerated. He is
facing a serious federal trial and so his life has changed,
you know, he has gray in his hair. My understanding

(50:35):
this his appearance has been drastically transformed, and that could
just be a reflection of what's going on around him,
of the current state of his life. This is who
he is today, That's who those jurors are seeing.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, high profile psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany,
it seems trite, very trite that visual tricks are being
used on the jury. Khaki pants. You know you heard
fact I say he doesn't have a stylist. I bet you,
I bet anything he does have a stylist. Those outfits

(51:09):
were carefully chosen, very carefully chosen. Have you ever ever
time immemorial, ever seen Sean Combs in a pullover sweater
and khaki pants. Think back, use that time machine, I
mean all the way back, whether he's on stage and

(51:31):
the mcgwa walking around LA or where Christmin is joining
us down his Miami mansion.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Never once. These are serious charges, Bethany.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I have seen women rape victims much less with it
video and in front of a whole crowd of people
while they're drugged. According to the prosecution, that basically stay
indoors the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
There is a profound.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Impact on rape victims, and there is seawan comms and
a fake pair of reading glasses.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
What's he doing reading proofst war in peace? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
It's it's a trick and there's serious charges here, Bethany.

Speaker 22 (52:18):
We know not only is it a trick, but it's manipulative,
and we know that if the allegations are true, Huff
Diddy is a manipulative person and may have hired manipulative
defense attorneys. And Drawers are not stupid, Nancy.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
They do see through this.

Speaker 22 (52:36):
Drawers can feel bored, offended, devalued, treated like they don't
have minds, and they can't think. They are not going
to like that. And you know what they also wouldn't
like in The defense knows this. To see a man
with carrots and carrots of diamonds around his neck in
the form of a cross who then uses his power

(53:00):
to exploit other people, that is a very unsympathetic character, Nancy,
And of course the defense wants to hide that. The
other thing is that I think ordinary people tend to
look at very wealthy people with the suspicion that maybe
you know the saying under beneda behind every great fortune

(53:21):
lies a great crime. The drawers can see that too,
that how did p did he get to the top,
How did he approve all this wealth? Why is he
hanging around with people who are some of the most
vulnerable people you.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Know in society?

Speaker 22 (53:38):
So hey, this these defense attorneys have a lot camouflage,
and these.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Jurers are going to see through it. I guarantee that.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Joining us at the courthouse, Lauren Colin, Lauren tell me
about the challenge Sean Comes's defense team made to these garrrs.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
He the defense team the latest Harney argues that.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
African Americans were systematically excluded from the jury for racial reasons.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
They started with the jury strikes, and the defense points
it out that the FEDS or the government struck seven
black jurors out of nine. So the prosecution gave their
reasoning behind these strikes, and it was very valid.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I mean, some of these.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Jurors they had said something like they were going to
lose thirty percent of their income by being on this trial,
but that wasn't a concern for them, which actually led
the prosecution to say, well, I have questions about their
intent here in the fact that they might want to
be here for our ulterior reasons, or they might have
an ulterior motive.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Eric fattis, this argument is as old as dirt, and
it has been addressed by the US Supreme Court in
Batsen versus Kentucky B Brother atsn VA Kentech. In that case,
the prosecutor was accused of striking from the jury, the
big the grand jury panel you know, of eighty to

(55:09):
one hundred people in order to get twelve for the
petit petite jury of twelve, striking for racial reasons, which
is unconstitutional. Therefore, whenever you strike anyone, anybody, whether they're white,
they're black, they're Asian, doesn't matter. You better have a

(55:30):
good reason for striking. When I struck juries, typically my
defendant was black. My victims usually there were more than
one were black. There was no real racial undercurrent going
on in the courtroom, so I didn't have a lot
of bats and arguments against me. But what the state

(55:53):
has to do, and I'm sure that they did, you
have to write I would keep the jury list, and
what that is is a huge print out. I don't
know if they do them the same way in your jurisdiction.
I'm sure they do fattest. Where you have the juror's name,
whether they're married, maybe where they were, whether they live
to ensure they live in that county or that jurisdiction,

(56:16):
or else they're not qualified.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
For the jury.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Maybe a little bit more identifying information. But that said,
I would put notes, my notes beside each name.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
So if there was a challenge, I could.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Say, well, I struck him because he doesn't have a job,
and if he can't show up to a job every day,
then why do I think he's going to show up
to court and pay attention? Or jerr fell asleep in
Voodie or jury selection, or let's see, here's a good one.
Juror's husband convicted of rape. If I'm trying a rape.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Case, yeah, I don't want her on.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
So I would always keep notes, brief notes beside each juror,
whether I wanted them or didn't want them, of my
impressions of that juror as we were striking the jury,
as I was questioning them on voy Dyer So bats
In v. Kentucky, easy solution to have your reasons why

(57:16):
you strugg as you are when the challenge arises. Way
in on bats And v. Kentucky faddest. I'm sure you
face it in court.

Speaker 21 (57:24):
Yeah, no, great mind Stickle liked ancy. That's exactly how
I did it when I was a prosecutor. Because here's
the thing that's preason. A BATSM challenge is kind of
a big deal because it's really insinuating that the other
side is kicking somebody off based on their race. That
that's you know, inflaboratory and problematic, and so you need
to have a race neutral reason for excluding those folks.

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You know, this wouldn't be the first time that the
defense has brought up race, and you know, historically for
race has played a role in the justice. So let's
be honest. And so, you know, is the Diddy team
sort of using that as one intentional argument to this
jury in terms of why some rich black men is
facing these federal offenses. I think they're going to take
that route in some former fashion.

Speaker 18 (58:11):
The trial is just getting started, expected to last eight
weeks with a shocking testimony from accusers and insiders on deck.

Speaker 20 (58:19):
Witness Irei is still missing. The court was informed last
week that prosecutors have lost communication and cannot locate her.
In fact, prosecutors cannot reach her attorney either, meaning they
are not sure Victim three will show up in court.
The woman does not live in New York. TMZ reports
the woman never wanted to appear in court at all,

(58:40):
refusing to cooperate and never agreed to testify against Diddy.
Prosecutors said Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive
details concerning abuse she suffered under calms plenty of.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Respect on Harvard eleven over at TMZ, but they had
to speak to her at some point and in order
to put her on the witness list.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Right now, the state is.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Down, a victim, victim gone, even though we know at
some point she had to speak to the Feds.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Even the lawyer is not responding to calls.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Joining me there at Diddy's mansion in Florida, where the
neighbors are happy.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
This thing may finally be put to rest.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Robert Crispin joining US Christmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task
Course Officer, Department, US Department of Justice. Robert, A witness,
not just a witness, but a victim is in the wind.
I've had it happen to me on a child sex
trafficking case. The victim disappeared and was in no show

(59:44):
the first day and a half of trial. Let me
just say I was out all night literally with my investigator,
going to every flop house in intercity Atlanta, trying to
find the girl. We found her and went forward, and
I would try the case all day long. We found her.
Not so easy in the ditty case. This victim could

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be anywhere in the US and the lawyer's not picking
up the phone.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
Yeah, we call that being scared to death. That's exactly
what that is. This person doesn't want to testify. She's
already related to the government that she doesn't want to
testify because if she testifies and he's found guilty, she's damned.
If they find him not guilty, she's damned because they
led an alleged sexual predator back on the street. It's

(01:00:31):
a lose lose situation for a victim, and it's very intimidating,
very intimidating. Even though you're a victim with all the
victim's rights and the victim advocates, when it comes down
to you getting up and sitting in that chair and
raising your right hand and actually telling your story, it's
very intimidating. Not only is it intimidating, it brings up

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bad pass in your mind and in your heart. It's
really something that a lot of people, they don't want
to be great anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Christian, let's go intimidating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
They all know what happened to Cassie Ventira, okay, and
that was at a public hotel. They know what happened
to her, No wonder she's disappeared, and the lawyer's not
picking the phone up. And we know that even from
behind bars. Prosecutors have produced evidence Combs is tampering with witnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Listen.

Speaker 20 (01:01:23):
Prosecutors say, even behind bars, Shawn Combs has an uncanny
ability to get others to do his bidding. Diddy has
been accused of obstructing his sex trafficking case by paying
off witnesses and even enlisting his own children in a
public relationous campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
You want to tell me he hasn't tried to get
to the victims.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Listen.

Speaker 20 (01:01:44):
Prosecutors say evidence from Shawn COM's cells shows the accused
wrapper made relentless efforts from jail to contact potential witnesses,
including victims. These methods reportedly involved three way calls, using
other inmates' phone excess codes, a third party communications service,
and directing family members to contact potential witnesses, the aim

(01:02:06):
to blackmail victims and witnesses into either silence or to
provide testimony helpful to Colmbs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Speaking of getting to the victims straight out to Sydney's
summer joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, isn't it true?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Prosecutors are planning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
To introduce evidence that Sean Combs forced one of his
victims to undergo an unwanted medical procedure. I mean, was
it an abortion? I don't know, But what can you
tell me about that? If he could force a victim
to undergo an operation, a medical procedure, what makes the

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state think he's not trying to scare or intimidate the
victims in this case?

Speaker 15 (01:02:51):
Sidney, No, that's right, Nancy. Prosecutors intend to introduce this
evidence and we don't know yet what that unwanted medical
procedure was. You're completely right. It definitely could have been
an abortion. Going along with the fact that did he
coerces all of these women into unwanted sexual encounters and

(01:03:11):
then doesn't want to keep relationships with them. So prosecutors
are introducing this to show that pattern of behavior, to
show the level of control that Shawncolmbs exerted over his victims,
so that could be really powerful in front of the jury.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It was exactly ten twenty a m.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
This morning that the jury came into the courtroom with
Shawncombe standing at attention to impanel and swear in the jury.
This is a day that's been long and coming. The
state claims that decades of abuse of women and so

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called free coughs have occurred. Finally, will there be justice
this as one of the victims disappears, can't find her
or her lawyer straight out to Sidney Sumner joining US
Crime Stories investigative reporter, I understand in light victim number
three a no show, the state has added Victim five

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to the roster.

Speaker 15 (01:04:14):
Now, Victim five, who is not mentioned in charging documents,
will not be able to just replace Victim three. Judge
Subermanian has ruled that they will not be able to
include all of the intended testimony, only part of it
because this victim is a similar transaction. This victim will
also not be granted anonymmity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
We know that one of the victims is not asking
to testify under a pseudonym.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
It's Cassie Ventura.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Cassie Ventura is heavily pregnant at this juncture, and her
cross examination by the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Defense is going to be very tricky. Listen, when you have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
A pregnant lady, a mom up on the stand, I mean,
you know, how cruel can you be? You can't really,
you know, shreader on the stand that my friends to
be And of course Mark Gira go is going to
be a very vague answer on that. But Eric Fattus,
if the defense team comes across as bullying Cassie Ventura,

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that's going to totally play against comms.

Speaker 16 (01:05:27):
That's going to rub the journey the wrong way absolutely.

Speaker 21 (01:05:30):
I mean, you know, not only do you have this
superstar already sympathetic victim, but there's a video of her
being brutalized, and the person being brutalized is going to
be on the stand, pregnant, telling you how she was
verbally and sexually brutalized. And so it's going to be
a delicate dance here. The defense has to kind of
approach this in a sensitive fashion but also be firm

(01:05:53):
enough to get their points across. And so the balance
to be struck here cannot be understated. Well, I got
to say this to doctor Bethany Marshall.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Cassie Ventura is going to be able to handle whatever
they throw at her. She is the one that broke
the whole thing wide open when she filed that civil lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
And basically the Feds had.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
A red flag waved in front of them like a
bull because it was out there and they were left
looking emasculated they had done nothing. And here's this video.
Let's take a look at the video, everybody, this is
coming into court in a different iteration. There you see

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Cassie Ventura. Oh and here he comes. Thank goodness that
towel didn't slip. She's trying to get away reportedly from
a free cough. Now Garags tells me it wasn't a
free cough at all, that she was the aggressor. She

(01:06:58):
Cassie Ventura is the aggressor in this video. She, according
to Giragos, was angry when she saw Combs had gotten
texts from another woman. Okay, she looks like she weighs
about one hundred pounds soaking wet in that video. But
yet Garago said, with a straight face, this is from

(01:07:20):
my friends at seeing n by the way, a straight face,
that she was the aggressor now, okay, I'm doctor Bethany
Gara Ghos and his daughter is all the defense team.
Tenny Geyghos is saying that that you're not seeing what

(01:07:41):
you think you're seeing. She's actually the aggressor in that video. Really,
are they actually gonna say that to a jury? One
hundred pound Cassie is giving Diddy the beat down I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Saw like a broken record.

Speaker 22 (01:07:55):
But Nancy Dures are not stupid, and st Drews can
feel like they're being kind of manipulated or mistreated, and
I think the defense should be very careful with this
line of reasoning. You know, the truth is, you see
this young Cassie Venturua running for her life with bare feet.
The allegations that he was on the phone doing business

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deals while he coursed her into having sex with somebody
else while he was watching could come out. He kicks
her in the back, she has to pretend to play dead.
He drags her back down the hallway, and then the
jurors see this beautiful, resilient woman who has re established
her life, probably has a new relationship, is going to

(01:08:40):
create a family. This is a woman to be admired.
She rose above the trauma she did the work, whatever
she did to reconstitute herself. She is a very adwarry witness.
So they are going to hang on every single word Nancy,
because most victims do not establish.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Themselves like this bombshell in the courtroom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
The defense is actually going to argue that Cassie Ventura
was the aggressor, that she was the one giving Sean
Comes the beatdown. What juror is going to believe that,
especially in light of this.

Speaker 12 (01:09:20):
It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in
your life.

Speaker 16 (01:09:26):
Sometimes you gotta do that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
I was fucked up.

Speaker 12 (01:09:31):
I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

Speaker 16 (01:09:36):
My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

Speaker 12 (01:09:41):
I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video.

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
Disgusted.

Speaker 12 (01:09:48):
I was disgusted then when I did it. I'm disgusting
now and when and I sought out professional help and
to go into therapy. We're going to rehab.

Speaker 16 (01:10:04):
Had asked God for his mercy and grace.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Second verse same as the first. So if he didn't
do it, why is he apologizing for it? And that
song comes as official Instagram. I wonder if they're going
to play that. We know the Cassie material tape is
in straight back out to Lauren Collins standing by.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I understand the courtroom wholes about one hundred people, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Guess it was packed, right, Okay, we'll get the answer
to that. You know I'm hearing Lynn Shaw comes in
that video stating he wants to be a better person.
He's discussed with himself, he's going to rehab.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
But yet that side of one side of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
His mouth, out of the other side of his mouth,
he's actually going to argue to the jury that Cassie
was the violent one.

Speaker 24 (01:10:54):
Please stop, Nancy, because I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick
watching that video over and over again. We have to
remember people are visual. Once they see that video, this
will stick in their minds Now, Listen, we work with
a lot of survivors and victims at the Warriors. What
do they tell me repeatedly when they are being attacked,
They played dead. They do not move. They don't want

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to further and rage that person. They don't want more beatings,
so they remain very still. Where is her video of
her beating him? That's what I want to know. Why
is this playbook the same thing we're in court? A
lot flipped on putting it on the victim. Oh, it's
their fault. They caused me to do it. That's consensual.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
You know what.

Speaker 24 (01:11:36):
The jury again, like doctor Bethany said, like I'm saying
as a New Yorker. New Yorkers are smart, They're not
going to buy this. And you know what, Dirty Diddy
going down.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
We are in a verdict.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Watch as we wait for the song Times jury too
hand down a verdict.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,