January 16, 2026 • 48 mins
Brendan Banfield is now on trial for the murder of his wife, Christine, and the prosecution's star witness is Banfield's lover, the family's former nanny.
Juliana Peres Magalhaes, who was also charged, has agreed to testify as part of a plea deal. In exchange for her testimony, she will plead to the lesser charge of manslaughter, then walk free for time served.
She will then be deported back to Brazil.
The murder plot unfolded as Christine Banfield planned a fun day for her 4-year-old daughter, with a trip to the National Zoo with her Brazilian au pair, Magalhaes. The adult and child leave for the day, but turn around when Peres Magalhaes realizes she forgot their bagged lunches.
Arriving at the house, the au pair sees a car she doesn't recognize, and a man she doesn't know entering the house.
Confused, she calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay in the car, and that he will be right home. Banfield is at the house in minutes, and they enter the house together.
The au pair takes the 4-year-old girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to the master suite.
Brendan Banfield finds his wife, Christine, nude, with a man he doesn't know, holding a knife to her throat. Banfield tells cops he tells the man to put the knife down, but he starts stabbing the 37-year-old mother.
Brendan Banfield carries a gun as an IRS Special Agent, and he draws his service revolver and shoots the man in the head. The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield calls for Peres Magalhaes and tells the au pair to get his personal gun, a Glock, out of the bathroom safe.
Giving her the code, the au pair retrieves the Glock and, at Banfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan through the heart as he is lying on the ground.
Investigators say, however, they believe the story told by Brendan Banfield and the nanny is a ruse.
Someone created the profile on the Adult Fetish website, pretending to be Christine Banfield, as part of an elaborate plan to kill Christine Banfield so her husband, Brendan, and their Brazilian live-in Au Pair could be together.
Investigators found pictures of Banfield and the au pair together in the Banfield bedroom, and Peres Magalhaes' clothes were found hanging in Banfield's closet.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Paul Batista - Prominent Criminal Defense Lawyer in NYC and Best-selling Novelist. Author of the textbook, "Civil RICO, Fourth Edition"
- Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; X, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of Podcast, "Mayhem in the Morgue," and Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Gigi McKelvey - Journalist, Host of the podcast “Pretty Lies and Alibis” prettyliesandalibis.org, Facebook, IG, TikTok: @PrettyLiesAndAlibis, Twitter: @PrettiesLiesAlibi
- Sydney Sumner - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A husband from Hell, an IRS agent, allegedly murders his
wife through a fetish website because of a hot nanny
love triangle. Their words, not mine, a hot nanny love triangle.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Did a glamorous apair scheme, an elaborate murder plot where
her boss turned lover's wife is found stabbed dead. Husband
has said I have shot somebody because they were stabbing
my wife.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sir, Hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Are you the one who was injured.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Responding?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay? Tell me? How can you tell me how her
breathing is?
Speaker 6 (01:11):
She still heart still be.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
her side. He said, she's breathing normally. She's just not
responding to you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
She's all right, she's good at it. She's got a
very nick hold in her neck.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, just keep up flying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Was already there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Before I go out to investigative reporter GG mckalvey. Let
me start with veteran trial lawyer defense attorney Paul Bautista,
prominent criminal defense attorney in New York. Best selling author
of Sibyl Rico, fourth edition.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Paul Bautista, that was the hut. He didn't sound very upset.
He's just like, oh, yeah, she's got a big hole
in her net.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
If I came home and found my husband with a
hole in his neck, I've been screaming at the top
of my lungs.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Why do we have to play that again?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
His voice makes no difference whatsoever. He's a calling to
report a cry. There are very different voices, very different
tones of voice. I don't think that's an indicase anything answering.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Let me see Batista, Batista, you can only get just
so far on charm and good looks.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you do have that going for you. So you
say this doesn't mean anything, I'm gonna hear that again
and listen for this. Now you got the hot nanny.
Their words, not mine. I did not call this a
hot nanny love triangle.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh and look at that mouthful of red lipstick.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's a show stopper. Oh and in every quote candid picture.
But wait for it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I want you to hear them, do you do you?
They're going like, instead of saying she's breathing, she's breathing. Translation,
Oh my story, she's still breathing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Why won't she die?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Okay, listen, sir, hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay,
are you the one who was injured?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
She's not responding?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, you tell me how can you tell me how
her breathing is?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
She's still hear still beat?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
her side. He said she's breathing normally. She's just not
responding to you.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Right, she's good at it. She's got a buried hole
in her neck.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, just keep applying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
Was already there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, I have to this out. I hope doctor Delatory,
that you can say this. They're like, she's not responding,
she's still breathing, I asked, a pretty big hole on
her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, Delatory.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It does.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
It sounds very stilted. Yeah, it sounds stilted. It sounds rehearsed.
It sounds like this was always meant to be kind
of a teleplay that they were always meant to say
when as soon as they got on the computer, as
soon as they got on the phone. I think that
the expectation is that if you really did stumble upon
this scene and everything unfolded accurately, you'd be way more
(04:38):
emotional than just kind of the robotic nature in which
you're describing what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I mean, you know, you heard Paul Batista, and I
guess he's going to argue that to a jury with
a straight face, and he's won a lot of cases.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It apparently works. Let's listen to more than nine one
one call?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Who's the person? Where's the persons bleeping? Are they? Where
are they in the house?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Well upstairs? Okay?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Are they also in the house downstairs.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
In the bedroom? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
like and satment's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
where it is? Okay? So you don't know the individual
date that was shot.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, we're showing you interspersed shots of the hot nanny,
my galie, and we're showing you the wife the debt.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
There's there's the wife. She's so cute. Oh my goodness,
those lips, what is that? They just take over the
whole picture.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
This is the nanny that, without doubt, no question, is
having an affair with the IRS agent that certainly hurts
the IRS credibility. She is having an affair with the
husband the IRS agent that's been proven. And doctor Delatory
before I go back to my observations of the nine
(06:19):
one one, Oh, there you go. I'm glad you got
that cleavage in. Can I see that shot again because
I don't want to miss that? Oh yeah, okay, that
is perfectly positioned. Okay, not judging, don't care. All I
care about are the two dead bodies. But to doctor Delatory, Delatory,
you know what, I'm gonna let Gg McKelvey tell you this.
(06:42):
Joining me Gg McKelvey investigated journalist, host podcast Pretty Lie
and Alibis, Gg, could you tell Delatory and Bautista Batista
listen about the photos that were found as soon as
the wife is dead, when police go back the hot
(07:02):
nanny has already moved photos of her and her and
the husband. Yeah, they photo on the side of the
bed into the master bedroom, and her clothes are.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
Hanging in there, including lingerie that they just showed, you know,
to the jury. Yeah, I mean there were loved up
photos of them, several of them placed in the master bedrooms.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Where these murders occurred.
Speaker 9 (07:27):
Initially they started out staying in her bedroom after the murders,
but moved into what was Christine and Brendan's room, and
not only slept in the same bed where she was killed,
put their photos everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's just it blows my mind.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
Nancy, How could you lay your head down in that
room knowing what you did in there?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay, did you just say she moves in the loved
up photos, put them aside the bed, moves in her lingerie,
which has been shown to the jury.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I couldn't be happier. But wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Sleeping in the same bed question, Paul Bautista, where the
sheep's still warm from the dead wife?
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Were the sheets still warm? At what point? There's no
issue here. He was having an affair with his old pair.
That does not constitute evidence that he has.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Not his pair. She's not changing his diapers.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's the baby's O pair. Maybe she is changing his diapers.
They did manage to commit the murder through a fetish website.
So I don't know who's wearing diapers and who's dressed
up like a cat and a dog, but.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I do know that these two.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Hey listen to this Batista to you, doctor delatory and
that second portion of the nine one one call we
just played, you know what, let's hear that again. I
want to see if the same thing jumps out at you.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Who's the person? Where's the person who's bleeping?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Are they?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Where are they in the house?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Were upstairs? Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
lights and Saturn's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
any weapon is secured, I have, I have I Okay,
can you just believe it where it is?
Speaker 10 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Okay, So you don't know the individual that that was shot.
Speaker 10 (09:27):
Think about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Where is the person who is bleeding? Are they? Where
are they in the house.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Where upstairs? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
likes and Saturn's okay. And any weapon is secured correcting,
any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
where it is?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so you don't know the individual date that was shot.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know how many times I would play this in
front of the jury. I'd have this thing on loop,
doctor delatory, I'll kick it off. One thing that strikes me,
Number one, I would be screaming.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
My husband has a hole of his neck. Hurry, I'm
not hearing that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
In fact, what I notice is the husband refers to
his wife as they they're upstairs. It makes me wonder,
are he and the nanny, the so gold hot nanny
downstairs and.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
They've left the wife upstairs with the.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Complete stranger that they lured to the home off a
fetish website.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
According to the State, they they it's like oh.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, uh upstairs, and then they go, have you secured
the weapon?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He doesn't say yes, my gun. It's like, yeah, I've
secured the weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then they go do you know the individuals shot
and they say, no, it's his wife.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
Yeah, listen again, it sounds like this was all something
that they had been working on previously. This looked. This
sounds like statements where they were rehearsing, and I think
that goes to premeditation. These people weren't just there wasn't
something that just happened on a whim. This didn't happen
because of crime of passion or whatever it is that
(11:46):
we want to say. These two individuals have been plotting
for a very long time and had already created this
scenario in their minds and how it was going to
be played out. The reason why they could move into
a bedroom and have the lingerie and everything and all
the pictures, The reason why that could happen was because
the wife in their mind was already a non human obstacle.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
The person that was going to come in, who thought
he was there for a specific reason then ends up
getting shot. That person was a non human obstacle that
they needed to get in the way to get to
this call, to set up their alibi.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm looking at the transcript of this, and I'm going
to be clear because it's not really clear, Sidney Sander
joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter. It's not really clear
on what they're telling the nine on one operator, but
one victim, the stranger that according to police, they the
nanny and thers agent husband. They lured him to the
(12:45):
home through a fetish website. There he is, He thinks
he's just going for some gratuitous sex off a fetish
website and he ends up dead.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, he shot, The wife is stabbed. The wife is stabbed.
It's not really clear on the n I'm one called
Sydney right.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
So Christine is stabbed and they claim on this nine
to one one fall that the stranger that was shot,
who is actually Joseph Ryan, is the one who stabbed Christine.
She says, they came into this room and Joseph Ryan
is on top of Christine. She sees Brendan screams for help,
(13:30):
and Brendan shoots Joseph Bryan, who then falls off of
Christine and she thinks she's been saved. So this is
an unimaginable situation. Your house has been broken into, someone
is attacking you. They're wielding a knife. You're terrified, and
you think no one's home and it's this miracle that
your husband comes home and is managing to save you.
(13:53):
But as Joseph Bryan falls off of Christine Banfield, Brendan
climbs on top of her, uses the knife that he
was holding and stabbed her.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is so far fetched the story that she's telling. But
the grain of truth is that they colluded together to
kill the wife so they could be together. I don't
get why they just didn't get a divorce. He remains
innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Listen
(14:25):
to more of the nine woman call.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And so where are you are you? Are you taking
care of the person upstairs?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Dry?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I have officers they're pulling up outside. Okay, to just
make sure the weapons, put the police where it is
and it's secure, and just keep buying pressure and make
sure your door is a locked and we make sure
that's done.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
All right.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
As much as your kid.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Okay, So make sure your weapon is down, sir. And
now you're coming to the door with your hands up
so they are just can see you. I love you.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So Gg McKelvey joining us investigative journalist and start our
pretty lies and alibis we hear the nanny state? Yeah,
I'm trying to help, but it's just quote so long?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What is so long? Gg?
Speaker 9 (15:34):
I think she's referring to the response time by first responders,
is all I can figure out with that. You know,
It's a good thing they didn't go into acting because
they both stunk trying to convince this nine one one
operator this was a true emergency.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But she did say.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
A couple of times in that nine one one call,
what's taking so long?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Or where are they or something.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
To that effect, you know, probably just to give the
impression that she is scared and really wants help.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
There. You know, I took it a completely different way.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I thought she meant that the knife wound to the
neck was so long. But I think, Gigi, you're probably right,
So I need.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
To understand her story. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And of course, isn't this the way Paul Batista. They're
like two cats cine barrel. They both are under suspicion,
and they're both now doing that pointing the finger at
each other. We see it at trial all the time.
That's why I like to try people together. The only
way to do that is, of course, don't use interlocking
(16:41):
statements against the other.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right, there are ways to try them together.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Constitutionally, that did not happen here, and I'm sure they
have a reason why. But Paul Bautista, this is just
sop standed operating procedure.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Blame the other one so much for true love, Paul.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Nancy, this is one of the most preposterous stories of
a cooperating witness I have ever heard in forty years
of doing this. It's intricate, it's bizarre, and it sounds
like the concoction of a lady meeting the au pair
who has been sitting in jail for a year, living
(17:23):
a delusional life, and suddenly she wants to cooperate with
the prosecutors and she conveys this utterly, bizarrely intricate story.
Not a credible witness.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You stated that she's been sitting in jail for a year.
Oh my stars, what a difference twelve months can make.
You've got to see them before. There's the before shot.
There's the before Take a look at her.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Now, what about it, Patista?
Speaker 7 (17:58):
You know the prosecutor obviously dressed up this lady for
her testimony to look like a household servant. The picture
of her entering the courtroom and speaking to the jury
of course, is entirely different from the sex pot picture
taken god knows when. But before she went to jail,
(18:21):
they're dressing her up to sound convincing, calm, remorseful. She's
a puppet. She's making up the story.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Paul, Patissa, you said that the state dressed her up.
Oh no, no, no, no no. She hasn't been sentenced.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Her own lawyers dressed her up like that for a
maximum Dowdy effect.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And I want to show you this trick.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Let's see Jody Arius before and after before.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
She went to trial and her on the stand. Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, so to you, doctor John DELATORI, you see with Jody, Yeah,
she's a blonde bombshell before she sees the jury, and
then when she goes in front of the jury, she
looks like Grandma Spinster. What message are these women trying
to convey? Well, actually, their defense lawyers.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Well, I think that that change is exactly what you're
trying to describe, which is to either mitigate their overall
culpability and whatever it is that they have alleged to
have done, or it's about making them seem like someone
who is not capable of engaging in a problematic behavior.
The more homely you look, the more matronly you look,
the less likely a jury is to say that you
(19:38):
engage in murder, no matter what it is that you've
been accused of doing. But the prior right, those are
all the things that you do as your own free
willing spirit, as the as the person that is trying
to attract attention. But in the court photos, you're trying
to look like someone who wouldn't be drawing that kind
of attention or engaging in those kinds of behaviors.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Fex County Police saw users responded to a nine to
one one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom,
we found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot
wounds and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine
was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We
(20:19):
recovered rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at
seven forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine
to one one call that was an open line hang up.
That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
(20:40):
nine to one one call from the very same cell
phone and two persons communicated with our nine one one
call taker. At that eight oh two nine one one
cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
the nine one one call taker that he just shot
(21:00):
a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
the nine on one call taker that the man who
he had just shot had stabbed his wife.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How did this loving, fateful wife end up stabbed dead
in the family home? And then a complete stranger happens
to be a bondage and discipline that is, just what's
he doing in the home and he's dead.
Speaker 12 (21:25):
The first nine one one call came from me what
we now know to be the O pair cell phone.
That nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible
on that call was a quick hang up. We noted
that call. Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one
one from the same cell phone, a nine on one
call was made and on the phone was first to
OH Pair communicating with us, and then she apparently handed the.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Phone to the husband.
Speaker 12 (21:49):
The husband communicated with us, and that's when the husband
told us that he shot and killed a man inside
of his home. And that's when the husband told us
that the man who he shot and killed was stabbing
his wife.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
GG McKelvey joining us an investigative journalist and star a
pretty lice and alibised gig in a nutshell because this
is very convoluted what happened.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Because I've got a hard.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Time believing that a stranger comes over for fetish sex
and murders the wife. He may for sex, but I
don't think he came over to commit a murder.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He didn't. He was catfished.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
They used Christine's computer to set up an account on
this fat life website where like minded people meet up
and do these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They only wait a minute, Wait a minute, look around,
look around.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Are you in a monastery? No, you're not. You're on
crime Stories. When you say people go to this website.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
To do these kind of things, what kind of things? Bondage,
that's what we're talking about. People like to tie each
other up and torture each other when they have sex.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They like it. Or people that dress up like dogs
and cats or other animals. They're called furrees.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You're not in u you're not in a confessional, you're
not in a monastery.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Just tell it like it is. What happened.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on fet life,
which is a website where people go who are into bondage,
being tied up more violent acts that are consensual, and
pretended to be Christine looking for somebody who was willing
to come to her.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
House to do this.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
What's interesting is they only worked on this website when
Christine was home as part of the alibi to say
she was here, she was the one doing it, And
eventually they found Joe Bryan.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Hold on Gigi and Gigi, that's really significant what you
just said. Well, everything that you've said is a correct
and be significant. But do you remember, let me think
of a good example. Okay, Top Mom, that's always an example.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
For so many things.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Remember when Top Mom Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony takes
a stand, goes under oath and I believe perjured herself.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Out of mother's love.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
To try and save that no good daughter, Top Mom
Casey Anthony, And she got up on the stand and
she said that she is the one that performed those
damning computer searches about how to make homemade chloroform. And
it's believed that little Kelly was chloroformed with homemade chloroform
(24:31):
and passed out, and that somehow she oweded on something
and died in top mom's trunk.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Cindy Anthony gets up there and says it spell checked me.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was writing about chlora phil because we have bamboo
growing up in our backyard and I'm like, that doesn't
even make sense. She was willing to risk perjury charges
to try and save her daughter. That is a mother's
love right there. But the point is they were creating
this creepy fetish website while Christine, the murder victim, the
(25:06):
mom was home, so it could be argued.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
She was home, this is her computer. We didn't do
it while she was out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
At work or out playing or out shopping. Is that
what you're telling me?
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Yes, And actually fooled some of the investigators who thought
it was Christine, and they were reassigned to different units
because they disagreed with the theories of the other investigators
that Joe Ryan was catfished by Juliana and Brendan.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Was he coming over gg to tire her up and
have sex or to come over and brandish a weapon?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
What was the communication on that fetish website?
Speaker 9 (25:42):
The communication was that he was going to come over
and bring ropes and a knife and chains and it
would be consensual, and there may be some resistance from Christine,
but it's all part of the act and to keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Okay, doctor John Delatory, you are the licensed psychologists specializing
in forensic psychology.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You can be found on TikTok at.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Doctor John Delatory, explain what's happening here exactly.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
And I think that's that's a key element here because
when individuals are engaging in this non consensual, consensual sex act,
you're not going to really involve weapons because that's too
far of a kink to do on a very first time.
There's a level of trust that has to go into
the two partners that are participating in this, so it's
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not like you're just going to show up out of nowhere.
So he had to be convinced. Ryan needed to be
convinced that this was an element of the of the
act that Christine absolutely wanted to never have met with
him before, and that's a that's that's not something that
is fairly consistent within the kink community. So there must
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have been more communication is going on than what we
really know that Christine would have been involved in. Had
she just been doing this by herself, other people had
to be participated.
Speaker 12 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Paul Batista, a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I find it really hard to believe that this young mom,
who is exhausted from raising a child and keeping all
the plates in the air, has time and energy to
go on a fetish website and arrange for someone to
come tie her up on the one morning she can
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sleep in.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Well, you may find that hard to believe, Nancy, but
that doesn't do anything to prove the guilt of the
defendant people. She may she may well have desire this,
She may well of arrange it. After all, put.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Him back up, I got.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Bedroom.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay. Let me ask you a couple of lightning around questions,
Paul Sai, Have you ever given birth?
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Have I ever been?
Speaker 10 (28:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Given birth?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Had a baby come out of your stomach through your
regina and then raise it?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That's giving birth?
Speaker 13 (28:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I okay, it's exhausting, exhausting. So this mom has one
day she can sleep in, and she plans a fun
day for her daughter, her baby girl, to go to
the zoo with the nanny. And she goes to sleep,
and what do you know, here comes Ryan with a rope. Okay,
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JJ McKelvey, take it from right there? What do police
believe happens right there?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Well, Brendan and Juliana had given Joe Ryan the instruction
that the door would be unlocked and for him to
let himself in. He goes up to the bedroom, follows
the instructions that were given by Brendan and Julieana one
time through a voice call with Juliana actually, and then
when Juliana is placed in the cul de sac, sees
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Joe Ryan come in. Brendan comes home. When he goes upstairs,
he sees Joe Ryan going according to plan, and Christine
looks at her husband and says he has a knife.
Then then Brendan shoots Joe Ryan. Christina tells the O
pair Juliana to call nine one one, and this is
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when Brendan begins stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Sydney Summer Crime Stories. Is that your understanding of what
police are alleging?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Let me get this straight. So the hot nanny Margalise
leaves with the baby to go to the zoo.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Then Ryan shows up with all Isaku Trema for fetish sex.
So you know, the hot nanny Margalise forgets the sandwich
lunches she made, comes back to the house and goes, oh,
there's a strange car.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And instead of just walking in, why would that?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
She calls the husband, her lover right there? Why not
just walk in just because you see an odd car
in the driveway?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The two of them. He quickly shows up. The two
of them come in. The wife now dead.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Christine screams, he's got a knife. They the hot nanny
and the irs agent husband shoot Ryan dead.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Then they go upstairs and then she is stabbed in
the neck.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Who else could have done it? Ryan was already shot dead.
Is that the sequence of events that you understand, Sydney?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Does Gigi have it right?
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Oh? Nancy, this all happened in just a matter of moments.
So yes, she sees this car in field, never went
into work that day. He was waiting nearby to be
able to come to the house and catch this man
in the act, right, And so this all happens in
just a matter of moments, and all in that master bedroom.
So Christine is already under what she believes to be
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an attack, while Joseph Ryan believes he's acting out a
rape roleplay in a consensual manner and her fighting him
is all part of this roleplay situation, so Ryan is
literally on top of Christine when Banfield and Julianna bust
into the master bedroom and she cries out for help.
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She's looking to her husband and this nanny Paul nine
one one. He has a knife and Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan,
who believes her husband just walked in on this affair.
And then Christine thinks she's been saved. She thinks, by submiracle,
her husband came home and saved her from this attacker,
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and then he climbs on top of her Brendan Banfield
and stabs her at death moments after she thought he
had just saved her life.
Speaker 14 (32:08):
Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moggalies. They leave their
Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Maggiales
realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
the old pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
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calls her employer Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
is at the house in minutes and they enter the
house together. The al pair takes the four year old
girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
the master suite.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
What am I earie? How did an innocent day at
the National Zoo with a Brazilian a pair end up
with a double homicide?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Why does she have to have a mouthful of red
lipstick to take care of a baby?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, the moms to have just sent her straight back
to her room to wipe that mouth off.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
What is that that said?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's the first red flag when the nanny the au
pair is taking cleavage shots in the bathroom and wearing
a skimpy lingerie at home. As a matter of fact,
let's take a look at the lingerie. Paul Batista, this
was found not just in her room, but it's in
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the master bedroom.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
She has moved all of.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Her bustiers, her corsets, her thongs aka anal floss into
his bedroom.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Uh what do you?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I can't wait to hear you explain that a way.
Have you looked at this picture. No, I have no
So are you are you married?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yes? Nancy?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I am okay, So she's still there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
What if the maid, the babysitter, the girl Friday, moved
all of her anal flows into your closet?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What do you think your wife would say? I should
not just go hand in the gun right now.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Look, there is no issue here. Brendan was having an
affair with the O pair, no issue about that. Are
these normal people? Probably not. And it is not normal
for the pair to then move into the same bedroom
where the husband's wife has been murdered. That's not normal.
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But that is not an indication of the guilt of
mister Benfield.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Do you just ever get exhausted with making these claims
just because they're having an affair at No, that's not
evidence of guilt. But as you know, evidence from before, during,
and after the incident may be brought in front of
the jury. The sheets were still warm where Mommy had
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been sleeping when the hot nanny moves her anal floss
into Mommy's closet and props up a picture of the
nanny with.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Her husband beside the bed.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, just imagine all that scintillating talk they had that
pillow talk about his irs investigations.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
No offense irs.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That said to me, that's evidence. After the fact, they
had no remorse. They couldn't wait. And the baby girl,
this is happening down the hallway from her nursery.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh there's a babysitter going to sleep with daddy. Okay,
she's gonna remember that. Okay. I wanna get back to
the facts.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To GJ McKelvey joining us Star of Pretty Liza and
alibis what exactly were the injuries.
Speaker 9 (35:58):
To the Bodiesjoseph Ryan was shot in the head and
the chest because the last shot actually came from Juliana
when they realized Joe Ryan was still making noises. So
she had a gun in her possession that was given
by Brendan and she fired the fatal shot to Joe Ryan.
For Christine, she had mostly stab injuries to her neck,
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some of them went as deep as two and a
half inches and caused a defect at the base of
her skull. So very violent injuries and rapidly fatal for both,
I need.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A translation in medical jargon, and joining me to do
that is a renowned medical examiner, the chief medical exammer
Terren County. That's Fort Worth, star of a hit podcast,
Mayhem and the Morgue, and he is the esteemed lecturer
at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What did she just say?
Speaker 13 (37:00):
So, basically, a knife was shoved into the neck. Knife
shoved into the neck at such an angle that it
struck the base of the skull. And with that that
striking the base of the skull, the force of that
can cause cracking the bone, et cetera, depending on how
hard it is. When you do that, you're hitting all
the vasculature and musculature in this area. It's the crowded
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the jugular vein. You're going to get massive hemorrhaging from
that kind of spurting out all over the place. So
stab wounds to the neck usually are very vascular, very hemorrhagic,
and depending on how they're angled, if they come more
to midline, they can also involve your trichea or your
windpipe where the air comes through. And then you're basically
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now breathing through that new hole in your windpipe and
the blood is flooding in there, so you're gagging on
your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to
be stabbed.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
In the neck.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Gigi.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You stated that the stab wound was so violent it
did it do something to the back of her neck.
This is reminding me of Nicole Brown Simpson who was
sliced so violently across her neck that she.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Was practically decapitated.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Her head held onto her body through a thin slice
of flesh in the back.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's all that held her head onto her body.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What did you say about the wound to Christine?
Speaker 9 (38:35):
It went deep enough that it caused a defect at
the very base of her skull or a little notch
where that knife struck bone, and that was visible during autopsy.
So a lot of force used when he was stabbing
her in the neck, at least with that stab wound
that was one of the ones that was two and
a half inches deep.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Doctor Kendall Crown's what does that mean that there is
actually a nick on her on the bone, her neck
bone all the way back here.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
So it means that the knife was driven in quite deeply,
probably almost all the way up to the hilt of
the knife, and that striking the base of the bone
and breaking it means there's a lot of force being
put into it as they're stabbing the individual in the neck.
So it's a forceful stab wound, fracturing the base of
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the skull and what you were talking about earlier, or
fracturing the cervical bone and what you were talking about earlier.
If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily,
cutting through the bone and soft tissue. The neck isn't
all that structurally hard, so you can take someone's head
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off stabbing through their neck.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
This young mom did not want to leave her daughter,
her four year old little girl.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
She wanted to live.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
To hay with the sex affair. She wanted to live
to see her daughter grow up. As a matter of fact,
with all of these wounds, she was still alive. Did
you hear the n one one call where the nanny
and the husband saying she's still alive?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Listen?
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
to one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom.
We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
This is so crazy. So the amir comes back, she
finds this scene. Where did Hoby come from?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The wife, the mother of a then four year old
little girl, multiple stab news she suffered.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
In case of a lot of twists and turns very
confusing and complicated.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
City Sumner joining US Crimes Forwards investigative reporter. We are
learning through the hot that the two had been target
practicing just before the killings.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
What do we know, Well, we.
Speaker 10 (41:08):
Know that Danfield purchased an extra gun on January twenty third,
so just a month before the murders. And yeah, they
actually went to a shooting range to practice shooting so
that when Joseph Ryan was in the house attacking Christine,
they could come in and save the day.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And what about buying new phones as well?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
So they believed for some reason that buying a new
phone just before the murders would prevent investigators from binding
their previous communications. Wasn't the most well thought out plan.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And then also apparently the nanny's mother injects herself into
this scenario and Sidney Sumner police described in some of
the documents the nanny my lease as the husband's quote
live in lover. Does that mean the affair was happening
right under Christine's nose?
Speaker 10 (42:06):
Absolutely, it was going on for months without Christine Banfield
having any idea that her husband was sleeping with their nanny.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
To Gg McKelvey joining us to our pretty lies and alibis,
I understand that Margalie, the so called hot nanny, has
been whining from behind bars.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Quote, I'm tired of this wa what She's tired of
being in jail? Christina is dead.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Yes, she's tired of being in jail. She said she
was sad and depressed and she has trauma. You know,
a lot of poor meat. Uh and as we saw
on the stand, zero remorse. So I wouldn't expect her
describing jail life to be anything but you know all
about her.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
So she she went on some antidepressants, didn't like the
way they make her made her feel, and so she
went off of them. And we heard all of this
when she was on the stand. It was all poor me,
no remorse shown for Joe Ryan or Christine Banfield.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Paul Batista defense attorney and a novelist.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
This is direct quote from the nanny aka co defendant
and a murder case, a double murder case.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Quote. I'm unhappy.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Way nothing makes me happy, Mommy, I'm miserable.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I just want to get out of here and come
back home and be with you guys. I'm tired of
this place, eh, Paul, Really perfect time of jail. I
wonder Christine is tired of that casket she's in.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
Of course, she's unhappy she's in jail. She's writing, She's
still writing love letters to Banfield. She doesn't know what
she's doing. She is a perfect candidate for the creation
of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable.
She will not go to jail any longer. She'll leave
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the country and she's home free. She's a perfect.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Doctor Delatory, I need a shrink.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Everything he is saying right there, anyway is valid.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
The jury may not believe her.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Because she's getting a sweetheart deal to rat him out.
But that said, I think the evidence is going to
be so strong. It's going to support what she's saying,
whether they believe her credibility or not.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Doctor Delatory, Delatory.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Why is she whining about being in jail? Christine and
Ryan are dead. He's shot in the chest and the
head remember on the nine on one they said he's
making noises, he's like gurgling, trying to live.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Why is she whining about jail?
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Well, I think we have to remember is that in
their mind they think that once all of this unfolds,
are going to live a happy life with this four
year old. But when reality is set and the realities
of being in custody, being detained, that messes with your head,
that gets under your skin. You don't realize how small
the walls are until you're actually put in them. So
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whatever it was that they thought that they were going
to be doing as a couple post this murder, she
didn't realize the reality of you're not going to get
away with this, and so now she's put in a
place where the reality is setting in and she did
not think that all of this was actually going to
be unfolding for someone like her.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Doctor delatory, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Do I need to do a playback, an instant playback,
because you just said, you know, you don't realize how
small the selle is. I bet that's a lot bigger
than that casket Christine's in.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
Absolutely, And it's not like Juliana cares.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
She is apparently writing love letters. Is it true? She
says that the irs agent husband, Christine's husband told her
he wanted to marry her and have children.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
That is true.
Speaker 9 (46:13):
And not only was she sending messages to Brendan, she
was also sending messages to Brendan's mother, who was putting
money on her commissary and funding her defense up until
she flipped on Brendan. But yeah, she would say that
she would take the blame for both of them. She
loved him more than anything. It was a lot of
back and forth with this lovey dovey stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Until it was all new to me Gg.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
So her future mother in law is sending her money
to the commissary as long as she says, I'll take
all the blame and I will clear him.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
But as soon as she flips.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
No more Dorito's, no more nacho chips, no more candy bars,
no more special soaps and relations from the commissary, it's over.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 9 (47:02):
They were funding her and making her life as cushy
as they could while she was in jail because she
wasn't talking, But that all changed when she started talking
to the Commonwealth and made that deal.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
We wait as justice unfolds, it's not too late. I
put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand.
If you know or think you know anything about this case,
please dial seven zero three two four six seven eight
hundred repeat seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred.
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You know who we haven't heard about. The little girl,
The four year old little girl whose mother was stabbed dead.
And now she knows the nanny moved right down the
hall and hopped in the bed with daddy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's the legacy.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A husband from Hell, an IRS agent, allegedly murders his
wife through a fetish website because of a hot nanny
love triangle. Their words, not mine, a hot nanny love triangle.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Did a glamorous apair scheme, an elaborate murder plot where
her boss turned lover's wife is found stabbed dead. Husband
has said I have shot somebody because they were stabbing
my wife.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sir, Hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Are you the one who was injured.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Responding?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay? Tell me? How can you tell me how her
breathing is?
Speaker 6 (01:11):
She still heart still be.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
her side. He said, she's breathing normally. She's just not
responding to you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
She's all right, she's good at it. She's got a
very nick hold in her neck.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, just keep up flying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Was already there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Before I go out to investigative reporter GG mckalvey. Let
me start with veteran trial lawyer defense attorney Paul Bautista,
prominent criminal defense attorney in New York. Best selling author
of Sibyl Rico, fourth edition.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Paul Bautista, that was the hut. He didn't sound very upset.
He's just like, oh, yeah, she's got a big hole
in her net.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
If I came home and found my husband with a
hole in his neck, I've been screaming at the top
of my lungs.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Why do we have to play that again?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
His voice makes no difference whatsoever. He's a calling to
report a cry. There are very different voices, very different
tones of voice. I don't think that's an indicase anything answering.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Let me see Batista, Batista, you can only get just
so far on charm and good looks.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you do have that going for you. So you
say this doesn't mean anything, I'm gonna hear that again
and listen for this. Now you got the hot nanny.
Their words, not mine. I did not call this a
hot nanny love triangle.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh and look at that mouthful of red lipstick.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's a show stopper. Oh and in every quote candid picture.
But wait for it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I want you to hear them, do you do you?
They're going like, instead of saying she's breathing, she's breathing. Translation,
Oh my story, she's still breathing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Why won't she die?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Okay, listen, sir, hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay,
are you the one who was injured?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
She's not responding?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, you tell me how can you tell me how
her breathing is?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
She's still hear still beat?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
her side. He said she's breathing normally. She's just not
responding to you.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Right, she's good at it. She's got a buried hole
in her neck.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, just keep applying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
Was already there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, I have to this out. I hope doctor Delatory,
that you can say this. They're like, she's not responding,
she's still breathing, I asked, a pretty big hole on
her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, Delatory.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It does.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
It sounds very stilted. Yeah, it sounds stilted. It sounds rehearsed.
It sounds like this was always meant to be kind
of a teleplay that they were always meant to say
when as soon as they got on the computer, as
soon as they got on the phone. I think that
the expectation is that if you really did stumble upon
this scene and everything unfolded accurately, you'd be way more
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emotional than just kind of the robotic nature in which
you're describing what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I mean, you know, you heard Paul Batista, and I
guess he's going to argue that to a jury with
a straight face, and he's won a lot of cases.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It apparently works. Let's listen to more than nine one
one call?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Who's the person? Where's the persons bleeping? Are they? Where
are they in the house?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Well upstairs? Okay?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Are they also in the house downstairs.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
In the bedroom? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
like and satment's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
where it is? Okay? So you don't know the individual
date that was shot.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay, we're showing you interspersed shots of the hot nanny,
my galie, and we're showing you the wife the debt.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
There's there's the wife. She's so cute. Oh my goodness,
those lips, what is that? They just take over the
whole picture.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
This is the nanny that, without doubt, no question, is
having an affair with the IRS agent that certainly hurts
the IRS credibility. She is having an affair with the
husband the IRS agent that's been proven. And doctor Delatory
before I go back to my observations of the nine
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one one, Oh, there you go. I'm glad you got
that cleavage in. Can I see that shot again because
I don't want to miss that? Oh yeah, okay, that
is perfectly positioned. Okay, not judging, don't care. All I
care about are the two dead bodies. But to doctor Delatory, Delatory,
you know what, I'm gonna let Gg McKelvey tell you this.
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Joining me Gg McKelvey investigated journalist, host podcast Pretty Lie
and Alibis, Gg, could you tell Delatory and Bautista Batista
listen about the photos that were found as soon as
the wife is dead, when police go back the hot
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nanny has already moved photos of her and her and
the husband. Yeah, they photo on the side of the
bed into the master bedroom, and her clothes are.
Speaker 9 (07:13):
Hanging in there, including lingerie that they just showed, you know,
to the jury. Yeah, I mean there were loved up
photos of them, several of them placed in the master bedrooms.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Where these murders occurred.
Speaker 9 (07:27):
Initially they started out staying in her bedroom after the murders,
but moved into what was Christine and Brendan's room, and
not only slept in the same bed where she was killed,
put their photos everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's just it blows my mind.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
Nancy, How could you lay your head down in that
room knowing what you did in there?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay, did you just say she moves in the loved
up photos, put them aside the bed, moves in her lingerie,
which has been shown to the jury.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I couldn't be happier. But wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Sleeping in the same bed question, Paul Bautista, where the
sheep's still warm from the dead wife?
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Were the sheets still warm? At what point? There's no
issue here. He was having an affair with his old pair.
That does not constitute evidence that he has.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Not his pair. She's not changing his diapers.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's the baby's O pair. Maybe she is changing his diapers.
They did manage to commit the murder through a fetish website.
So I don't know who's wearing diapers and who's dressed
up like a cat and a dog, but.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I do know that these two.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Hey listen to this Batista to you, doctor delatory and
that second portion of the nine one one call we
just played, you know what, let's hear that again. I
want to see if the same thing jumps out at you.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Who's the person? Where's the person who's bleeping?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Are they?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Where are they in the house?
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Were upstairs? Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
lights and Saturn's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
any weapon is secured, I have, I have I Okay,
can you just believe it where it is?
Speaker 10 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Okay, So you don't know the individual that that was shot.
Speaker 10 (09:27):
Think about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Where is the person who is bleeding? Are they? Where
are they in the house.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Where upstairs? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And where is the person that was shot?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
likes and Saturn's okay. And any weapon is secured correcting,
any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
where it is?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so you don't know the individual date that was shot.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know how many times I would play this in
front of the jury. I'd have this thing on loop,
doctor delatory, I'll kick it off. One thing that strikes me,
Number one, I would be screaming.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
My husband has a hole of his neck. Hurry, I'm
not hearing that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
In fact, what I notice is the husband refers to
his wife as they they're upstairs. It makes me wonder,
are he and the nanny, the so gold hot nanny
downstairs and.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
They've left the wife upstairs with the.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Complete stranger that they lured to the home off a
fetish website.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
According to the State, they they it's like oh.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, uh upstairs, and then they go, have you secured
the weapon?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He doesn't say yes, my gun. It's like, yeah, I've
secured the weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then they go do you know the individuals shot
and they say, no, it's his wife.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
Yeah, listen again, it sounds like this was all something
that they had been working on previously. This looked. This
sounds like statements where they were rehearsing, and I think
that goes to premeditation. These people weren't just there wasn't
something that just happened on a whim. This didn't happen
because of crime of passion or whatever it is that
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we want to say. These two individuals have been plotting
for a very long time and had already created this
scenario in their minds and how it was going to
be played out. The reason why they could move into
a bedroom and have the lingerie and everything and all
the pictures, The reason why that could happen was because
the wife in their mind was already a non human obstacle.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
The person that was going to come in, who thought
he was there for a specific reason then ends up
getting shot. That person was a non human obstacle that
they needed to get in the way to get to
this call, to set up their alibi.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm looking at the transcript of this, and I'm going
to be clear because it's not really clear, Sidney Sander
joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter. It's not really clear
on what they're telling the nine on one operator, but
one victim, the stranger that according to police, they the
nanny and thers agent husband. They lured him to the
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home through a fetish website. There he is, He thinks
he's just going for some gratuitous sex off a fetish
website and he ends up dead.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, he shot, The wife is stabbed. The wife is stabbed.
It's not really clear on the n I'm one called
Sydney right.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
So Christine is stabbed and they claim on this nine
to one one fall that the stranger that was shot,
who is actually Joseph Ryan, is the one who stabbed Christine.
She says, they came into this room and Joseph Ryan
is on top of Christine. She sees Brendan screams for help,
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and Brendan shoots Joseph Bryan, who then falls off of
Christine and she thinks she's been saved. So this is
an unimaginable situation. Your house has been broken into, someone
is attacking you. They're wielding a knife. You're terrified, and
you think no one's home and it's this miracle that
your husband comes home and is managing to save you.
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But as Joseph Bryan falls off of Christine Banfield, Brendan
climbs on top of her, uses the knife that he
was holding and stabbed her.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is so far fetched the story that she's telling. But
the grain of truth is that they colluded together to
kill the wife so they could be together. I don't
get why they just didn't get a divorce. He remains
innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Listen
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to more of the nine woman call.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And so where are you are you? Are you taking
care of the person upstairs?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Dry?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I have officers they're pulling up outside. Okay, to just
make sure the weapons, put the police where it is
and it's secure, and just keep buying pressure and make
sure your door is a locked and we make sure
that's done.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
All right.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
As much as your kid.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Okay, So make sure your weapon is down, sir. And
now you're coming to the door with your hands up
so they are just can see you. I love you.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So Gg McKelvey joining us investigative journalist and start our
pretty lies and alibis we hear the nanny state? Yeah,
I'm trying to help, but it's just quote so long?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What is so long? Gg?
Speaker 9 (15:34):
I think she's referring to the response time by first responders,
is all I can figure out with that. You know,
It's a good thing they didn't go into acting because
they both stunk trying to convince this nine one one
operator this was a true emergency.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But she did say.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
A couple of times in that nine one one call,
what's taking so long?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Or where are they or something.
Speaker 9 (15:54):
To that effect, you know, probably just to give the
impression that she is scared and really wants help.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
There. You know, I took it a completely different way.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I thought she meant that the knife wound to the
neck was so long. But I think, Gigi, you're probably right,
So I need.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
To understand her story. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And of course, isn't this the way Paul Batista. They're
like two cats cine barrel. They both are under suspicion,
and they're both now doing that pointing the finger at
each other. We see it at trial all the time.
That's why I like to try people together. The only
way to do that is, of course, don't use interlocking
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statements against the other.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right, there are ways to try them together.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Constitutionally, that did not happen here, and I'm sure they
have a reason why. But Paul Bautista, this is just
sop standed operating procedure.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Blame the other one so much for true love, Paul.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Nancy, this is one of the most preposterous stories of
a cooperating witness I have ever heard in forty years
of doing this. It's intricate, it's bizarre, and it sounds
like the concoction of a lady meeting the au pair
who has been sitting in jail for a year, living
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a delusional life, and suddenly she wants to cooperate with
the prosecutors and she conveys this utterly, bizarrely intricate story.
Not a credible witness.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You stated that she's been sitting in jail for a year.
Oh my stars, what a difference twelve months can make.
You've got to see them before. There's the before shot.
There's the before Take a look at her.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Now, what about it, Patista?
Speaker 7 (17:58):
You know the prosecutor obviously dressed up this lady for
her testimony to look like a household servant. The picture
of her entering the courtroom and speaking to the jury
of course, is entirely different from the sex pot picture
taken god knows when. But before she went to jail,
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they're dressing her up to sound convincing, calm, remorseful. She's
a puppet. She's making up the story.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Paul, Patissa, you said that the state dressed her up.
Oh no, no, no, no no. She hasn't been sentenced.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Her own lawyers dressed her up like that for a
maximum Dowdy effect.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And I want to show you this trick.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Let's see Jody Arius before and after before.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
She went to trial and her on the stand. Yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, so to you, doctor John DELATORI, you see with Jody, Yeah,
she's a blonde bombshell before she sees the jury, and
then when she goes in front of the jury, she
looks like Grandma Spinster. What message are these women trying
to convey? Well, actually, their defense lawyers.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
Well, I think that that change is exactly what you're
trying to describe, which is to either mitigate their overall
culpability and whatever it is that they have alleged to
have done, or it's about making them seem like someone
who is not capable of engaging in a problematic behavior.
The more homely you look, the more matronly you look,
the less likely a jury is to say that you
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engage in murder, no matter what it is that you've
been accused of doing. But the prior right, those are
all the things that you do as your own free
willing spirit, as the as the person that is trying
to attract attention. But in the court photos, you're trying
to look like someone who wouldn't be drawing that kind
of attention or engaging in those kinds of behaviors.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
Fex County Police saw users responded to a nine to
one one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom,
we found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot
wounds and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine
was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We
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recovered rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at
seven forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine
to one one call that was an open line hang up.
That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
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nine to one one call from the very same cell
phone and two persons communicated with our nine one one
call taker. At that eight oh two nine one one
cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
the nine one one call taker that he just shot
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a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
the nine on one call taker that the man who
he had just shot had stabbed his wife.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How did this loving, fateful wife end up stabbed dead
in the family home? And then a complete stranger happens
to be a bondage and discipline that is, just what's
he doing in the home and he's dead.
Speaker 12 (21:25):
The first nine one one call came from me what
we now know to be the O pair cell phone.
That nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible
on that call was a quick hang up. We noted
that call. Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one
one from the same cell phone, a nine on one
call was made and on the phone was first to
OH Pair communicating with us, and then she apparently handed the.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Phone to the husband.
Speaker 12 (21:49):
The husband communicated with us, and that's when the husband
told us that he shot and killed a man inside
of his home. And that's when the husband told us
that the man who he shot and killed was stabbing
his wife.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
GG McKelvey joining us an investigative journalist and star a
pretty lice and alibised gig in a nutshell because this
is very convoluted what happened.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Because I've got a hard.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Time believing that a stranger comes over for fetish sex
and murders the wife. He may for sex, but I
don't think he came over to commit a murder.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He didn't. He was catfished.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
They used Christine's computer to set up an account on
this fat life website where like minded people meet up
and do these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They only wait a minute, Wait a minute, look around,
look around.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Are you in a monastery? No, you're not. You're on
crime Stories. When you say people go to this website.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
To do these kind of things, what kind of things? Bondage,
that's what we're talking about. People like to tie each
other up and torture each other when they have sex.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They like it. Or people that dress up like dogs
and cats or other animals. They're called furrees.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You're not in u you're not in a confessional, you're
not in a monastery.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Just tell it like it is. What happened.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on fet life,
which is a website where people go who are into bondage,
being tied up more violent acts that are consensual, and
pretended to be Christine looking for somebody who was willing
to come to her.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
House to do this.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
What's interesting is they only worked on this website when
Christine was home as part of the alibi to say
she was here, she was the one doing it, And
eventually they found Joe Bryan.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Hold on Gigi and Gigi, that's really significant what you
just said. Well, everything that you've said is a correct
and be significant. But do you remember, let me think
of a good example. Okay, Top Mom, that's always an example.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
For so many things.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Remember when Top Mom Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony takes
a stand, goes under oath and I believe perjured herself.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Out of mother's love.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
To try and save that no good daughter, Top Mom
Casey Anthony, And she got up on the stand and
she said that she is the one that performed those
damning computer searches about how to make homemade chloroform. And
it's believed that little Kelly was chloroformed with homemade chloroform
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and passed out, and that somehow she oweded on something
and died in top mom's trunk.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Cindy Anthony gets up there and says it spell checked me.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was writing about chlora phil because we have bamboo
growing up in our backyard and I'm like, that doesn't
even make sense. She was willing to risk perjury charges
to try and save her daughter. That is a mother's
love right there. But the point is they were creating
this creepy fetish website while Christine, the murder victim, the
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mom was home, so it could be argued.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
She was home, this is her computer. We didn't do
it while she was out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
At work or out playing or out shopping. Is that
what you're telling me?
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Yes, And actually fooled some of the investigators who thought
it was Christine, and they were reassigned to different units
because they disagreed with the theories of the other investigators
that Joe Ryan was catfished by Juliana and Brendan.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Was he coming over gg to tire her up and
have sex or to come over and brandish a weapon?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
What was the communication on that fetish website?
Speaker 9 (25:42):
The communication was that he was going to come over
and bring ropes and a knife and chains and it
would be consensual, and there may be some resistance from Christine,
but it's all part of the act and to keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Okay, doctor John Delatory, you are the licensed psychologists specializing
in forensic psychology.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You can be found on TikTok at.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Doctor John Delatory, explain what's happening here exactly.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
And I think that's that's a key element here because
when individuals are engaging in this non consensual, consensual sex act,
you're not going to really involve weapons because that's too
far of a kink to do on a very first time.
There's a level of trust that has to go into
the two partners that are participating in this, so it's
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not like you're just going to show up out of nowhere.
So he had to be convinced. Ryan needed to be
convinced that this was an element of the of the
act that Christine absolutely wanted to never have met with
him before, and that's a that's that's not something that
is fairly consistent within the kink community. So there must
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have been more communication is going on than what we
really know that Christine would have been involved in. Had
she just been doing this by herself, other people had
to be participated.
Speaker 12 (27:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Paul Batista, a defense attorney.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I find it really hard to believe that this young mom,
who is exhausted from raising a child and keeping all
the plates in the air, has time and energy to
go on a fetish website and arrange for someone to
come tie her up on the one morning she can
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sleep in.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Well, you may find that hard to believe, Nancy, but
that doesn't do anything to prove the guilt of the
defendant people. She may she may well have desire this,
She may well of arrange it. After all, put.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Him back up, I got.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Bedroom.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay. Let me ask you a couple of lightning around questions,
Paul Sai, Have you ever given birth?
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Have I ever been?
Speaker 10 (28:04):
What?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Given birth?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Had a baby come out of your stomach through your
regina and then raise it?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That's giving birth?
Speaker 13 (28:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I okay, it's exhausting, exhausting. So this mom has one
day she can sleep in, and she plans a fun
day for her daughter, her baby girl, to go to
the zoo with the nanny. And she goes to sleep,
and what do you know, here comes Ryan with a rope. Okay,
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JJ McKelvey, take it from right there? What do police
believe happens right there?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Well, Brendan and Juliana had given Joe Ryan the instruction
that the door would be unlocked and for him to
let himself in. He goes up to the bedroom, follows
the instructions that were given by Brendan and Julieana one
time through a voice call with Juliana actually, and then
when Juliana is placed in the cul de sac, sees
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Joe Ryan come in. Brendan comes home. When he goes upstairs,
he sees Joe Ryan going according to plan, and Christine
looks at her husband and says he has a knife.
Then then Brendan shoots Joe Ryan. Christina tells the O
pair Juliana to call nine one one, and this is
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when Brendan begins stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Sydney Summer Crime Stories. Is that your understanding of what
police are alleging?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Let me get this straight. So the hot nanny Margalise
leaves with the baby to go to the zoo.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Then Ryan shows up with all Isaku Trema for fetish sex.
So you know, the hot nanny Margalise forgets the sandwich
lunches she made, comes back to the house and goes, oh,
there's a strange car.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And instead of just walking in, why would that?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
She calls the husband, her lover right there? Why not
just walk in just because you see an odd car
in the driveway?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The two of them. He quickly shows up. The two
of them come in. The wife now dead.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Christine screams, he's got a knife. They the hot nanny
and the irs agent husband shoot Ryan dead.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Then they go upstairs and then she is stabbed in
the neck.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Who else could have done it? Ryan was already shot dead.
Is that the sequence of events that you understand, Sydney?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Does Gigi have it right?
Speaker 10 (30:53):
Oh? Nancy, this all happened in just a matter of moments.
So yes, she sees this car in field, never went
into work that day. He was waiting nearby to be
able to come to the house and catch this man
in the act, right, And so this all happens in
just a matter of moments, and all in that master bedroom.
So Christine is already under what she believes to be
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an attack, while Joseph Ryan believes he's acting out a
rape roleplay in a consensual manner and her fighting him
is all part of this roleplay situation, so Ryan is
literally on top of Christine when Banfield and Julianna bust
into the master bedroom and she cries out for help.
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She's looking to her husband and this nanny Paul nine
one one. He has a knife and Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan,
who believes her husband just walked in on this affair.
And then Christine thinks she's been saved. She thinks, by submiracle,
her husband came home and saved her from this attacker,
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and then he climbs on top of her Brendan Banfield
and stabs her at death moments after she thought he
had just saved her life.
Speaker 14 (32:08):
Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moggalies. They leave their
Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Maggiales
realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
the old pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
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calls her employer Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
is at the house in minutes and they enter the
house together. The al pair takes the four year old
girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
the master suite.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
What am I earie? How did an innocent day at
the National Zoo with a Brazilian a pair end up
with a double homicide?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Why does she have to have a mouthful of red
lipstick to take care of a baby?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, the moms to have just sent her straight back
to her room to wipe that mouth off.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
What is that that said?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's the first red flag when the nanny the au
pair is taking cleavage shots in the bathroom and wearing
a skimpy lingerie at home. As a matter of fact,
let's take a look at the lingerie. Paul Batista, this
was found not just in her room, but it's in
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the master bedroom.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
She has moved all of.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Her bustiers, her corsets, her thongs aka anal floss into
his bedroom.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Uh what do you?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I can't wait to hear you explain that a way.
Have you looked at this picture. No, I have no
So are you are you married?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yes? Nancy?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I am okay, So she's still there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
What if the maid, the babysitter, the girl Friday, moved
all of her anal flows into your closet?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
What do you think your wife would say? I should
not just go hand in the gun right now.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Look, there is no issue here. Brendan was having an
affair with the O pair, no issue about that. Are
these normal people? Probably not. And it is not normal
for the pair to then move into the same bedroom
where the husband's wife has been murdered. That's not normal.
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But that is not an indication of the guilt of
mister Benfield.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Do you just ever get exhausted with making these claims
just because they're having an affair at No, that's not
evidence of guilt. But as you know, evidence from before, during,
and after the incident may be brought in front of
the jury. The sheets were still warm where Mommy had
(35:04):
been sleeping when the hot nanny moves her anal floss
into Mommy's closet and props up a picture of the
nanny with.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Her husband beside the bed.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, just imagine all that scintillating talk they had that
pillow talk about his irs investigations.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
No offense irs.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That said to me, that's evidence. After the fact, they
had no remorse. They couldn't wait. And the baby girl,
this is happening down the hallway from her nursery.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh there's a babysitter going to sleep with daddy. Okay,
she's gonna remember that. Okay. I wanna get back to
the facts.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To GJ McKelvey joining us Star of Pretty Liza and
alibis what exactly were the injuries.
Speaker 9 (35:58):
To the Bodiesjoseph Ryan was shot in the head and
the chest because the last shot actually came from Juliana
when they realized Joe Ryan was still making noises. So
she had a gun in her possession that was given
by Brendan and she fired the fatal shot to Joe Ryan.
For Christine, she had mostly stab injuries to her neck,
(36:21):
some of them went as deep as two and a
half inches and caused a defect at the base of
her skull. So very violent injuries and rapidly fatal for both,
I need.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A translation in medical jargon, and joining me to do
that is a renowned medical examiner, the chief medical exammer
Terren County. That's Fort Worth, star of a hit podcast,
Mayhem and the Morgue, and he is the esteemed lecturer
at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What did she just say?
Speaker 13 (37:00):
So, basically, a knife was shoved into the neck. Knife
shoved into the neck at such an angle that it
struck the base of the skull. And with that that
striking the base of the skull, the force of that
can cause cracking the bone, et cetera, depending on how
hard it is. When you do that, you're hitting all
the vasculature and musculature in this area. It's the crowded
(37:24):
the jugular vein. You're going to get massive hemorrhaging from
that kind of spurting out all over the place. So
stab wounds to the neck usually are very vascular, very hemorrhagic,
and depending on how they're angled, if they come more
to midline, they can also involve your trichea or your
windpipe where the air comes through. And then you're basically
(37:44):
now breathing through that new hole in your windpipe and
the blood is flooding in there, so you're gagging on
your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to
be stabbed.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
In the neck.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Gigi.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You stated that the stab wound was so violent it
did it do something to the back of her neck.
This is reminding me of Nicole Brown Simpson who was
sliced so violently across her neck that she.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Was practically decapitated.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Her head held onto her body through a thin slice
of flesh in the back.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's all that held her head onto her body.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What did you say about the wound to Christine?
Speaker 9 (38:35):
It went deep enough that it caused a defect at
the very base of her skull or a little notch
where that knife struck bone, and that was visible during autopsy.
So a lot of force used when he was stabbing
her in the neck, at least with that stab wound
that was one of the ones that was two and
a half inches deep.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Doctor Kendall Crown's what does that mean that there is
actually a nick on her on the bone, her neck
bone all the way back here.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
So it means that the knife was driven in quite deeply,
probably almost all the way up to the hilt of
the knife, and that striking the base of the bone
and breaking it means there's a lot of force being
put into it as they're stabbing the individual in the neck.
So it's a forceful stab wound, fracturing the base of
(39:21):
the skull and what you were talking about earlier, or
fracturing the cervical bone and what you were talking about earlier.
If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily,
cutting through the bone and soft tissue. The neck isn't
all that structurally hard, so you can take someone's head
(39:42):
off stabbing through their neck.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
This young mom did not want to leave her daughter,
her four year old little girl.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
She wanted to live.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
To hay with the sex affair. She wanted to live
to see her daughter grow up. As a matter of fact,
with all of these wounds, she was still alive. Did
you hear the n one one call where the nanny
and the husband saying she's still alive?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Listen?
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
to one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom.
We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
This is so crazy. So the amir comes back, she
finds this scene. Where did Hoby come from?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
The wife, the mother of a then four year old
little girl, multiple stab news she suffered.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
In case of a lot of twists and turns very
confusing and complicated.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
City Sumner joining US Crimes Forwards investigative reporter. We are
learning through the hot that the two had been target
practicing just before the killings.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
What do we know, Well, we.
Speaker 10 (41:08):
Know that Danfield purchased an extra gun on January twenty third,
so just a month before the murders. And yeah, they
actually went to a shooting range to practice shooting so
that when Joseph Ryan was in the house attacking Christine,
they could come in and save the day.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And what about buying new phones as well?
Speaker 10 (41:32):
So they believed for some reason that buying a new
phone just before the murders would prevent investigators from binding
their previous communications. Wasn't the most well thought out plan.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And then also apparently the nanny's mother injects herself into
this scenario and Sidney Sumner police described in some of
the documents the nanny my lease as the husband's quote
live in lover. Does that mean the affair was happening
right under Christine's nose?
Speaker 10 (42:06):
Absolutely, it was going on for months without Christine Banfield
having any idea that her husband was sleeping with their nanny.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
To Gg McKelvey joining us to our pretty lies and alibis,
I understand that Margalie, the so called hot nanny, has
been whining from behind bars.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Quote, I'm tired of this wa what She's tired of
being in jail? Christina is dead.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Yes, she's tired of being in jail. She said she
was sad and depressed and she has trauma. You know,
a lot of poor meat. Uh and as we saw
on the stand, zero remorse. So I wouldn't expect her
describing jail life to be anything but you know all
about her.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
So she she went on some antidepressants, didn't like the
way they make her made her feel, and so she
went off of them. And we heard all of this
when she was on the stand. It was all poor me,
no remorse shown for Joe Ryan or Christine Banfield.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Paul Batista defense attorney and a novelist.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
This is direct quote from the nanny aka co defendant
and a murder case, a double murder case.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Quote. I'm unhappy.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Way nothing makes me happy, Mommy, I'm miserable.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I just want to get out of here and come
back home and be with you guys. I'm tired of
this place, eh, Paul, Really perfect time of jail. I
wonder Christine is tired of that casket she's in.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
Of course, she's unhappy she's in jail. She's writing, She's
still writing love letters to Banfield. She doesn't know what
she's doing. She is a perfect candidate for the creation
of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable.
She will not go to jail any longer. She'll leave
(44:03):
the country and she's home free. She's a perfect.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Doctor Delatory, I need a shrink.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Everything he is saying right there, anyway is valid.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
The jury may not believe her.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Because she's getting a sweetheart deal to rat him out.
But that said, I think the evidence is going to
be so strong. It's going to support what she's saying,
whether they believe her credibility or not.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Doctor Delatory, Delatory.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Why is she whining about being in jail? Christine and
Ryan are dead. He's shot in the chest and the
head remember on the nine on one they said he's
making noises, he's like gurgling, trying to live.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Why is she whining about jail?
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Well, I think we have to remember is that in
their mind they think that once all of this unfolds,
are going to live a happy life with this four
year old. But when reality is set and the realities
of being in custody, being detained, that messes with your head,
that gets under your skin. You don't realize how small
the walls are until you're actually put in them. So
(45:16):
whatever it was that they thought that they were going
to be doing as a couple post this murder, she
didn't realize the reality of you're not going to get
away with this, and so now she's put in a
place where the reality is setting in and she did
not think that all of this was actually going to
be unfolding for someone like her.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Doctor delatory, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Do I need to do a playback, an instant playback,
because you just said, you know, you don't realize how
small the selle is. I bet that's a lot bigger
than that casket Christine's in.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
Absolutely, And it's not like Juliana cares.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
She is apparently writing love letters. Is it true? She
says that the irs agent husband, Christine's husband told her
he wanted to marry her and have children.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
That is true.
Speaker 9 (46:13):
And not only was she sending messages to Brendan, she
was also sending messages to Brendan's mother, who was putting
money on her commissary and funding her defense up until
she flipped on Brendan. But yeah, she would say that
she would take the blame for both of them. She
loved him more than anything. It was a lot of
back and forth with this lovey dovey stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Until it was all new to me Gg.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
So her future mother in law is sending her money
to the commissary as long as she says, I'll take
all the blame and I will clear him.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
But as soon as she flips.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
No more Dorito's, no more nacho chips, no more candy bars,
no more special soaps and relations from the commissary, it's over.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 9 (47:02):
They were funding her and making her life as cushy
as they could while she was in jail because she
wasn't talking, But that all changed when she started talking
to the Commonwealth and made that deal.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
We wait as justice unfolds, it's not too late. I
put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand.
If you know or think you know anything about this case,
please dial seven zero three two four six seven eight
hundred repeat seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred.
(47:39):
You know who we haven't heard about. The little girl,
The four year old little girl whose mother was stabbed dead.
And now she knows the nanny moved right down the
hall and hopped in the bed with daddy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's the legacy.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Host
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